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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens forever. We'll take you for a ride

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Speaker 1: in our comic girl sharing for the right teen drama

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Speaker 1: queens girl fashion. But you're tough, girl. You could sit

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Speaker 1: with us Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama

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Speaker 1: drawn MC, Queen's Drama Queens. Hey, Hi, Hello, welcome back everyone.

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Speaker 1: It is season four, episode seventeen. It gets the worst

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Speaker 1: at night. A lot of depressing titles for our show.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, especially for a happy episode. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: having this uplifting moment after a lot of actual depression

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Speaker 1: Really sad. I know, I don't know why, because it

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Speaker 1: really was a fun episode. Scaruly having this episode of

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Speaker 1: Aaron May nine, two thousand and seven. The synopsis is

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Speaker 1: that the teens of Tree Hill that would be US,

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Speaker 1: mount a rescue mission to treeve Marvin from his ill

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Speaker 1: and I guess Brooke and Peyton do too, and we

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Speaker 1: She was the one who lied about stealing the calculus

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Speaker 1: mistake and we went to Honeygrove. We sure, did we

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Speaker 1: have my Honeygrove Texas hat? I have? I just found

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Speaker 1: like like the police. It's like a badge. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like remember single, no, every single I don't know, organization

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Speaker 1: and Honeygrove came out for this. I mean we had

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Speaker 1: anyone remember? So I remember, and I don't remember where

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Speaker 1: as a team of friends, you know, get get your

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Speaker 1: crew why they should come and do prom with you guys.

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Speaker 1: And these kids from Honeygrove just made the most charming video.

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Speaker 1: And they toured us around the town, and they took

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Speaker 1: out ways to force us into these positions. And it's

425
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: not that I'm look, I love filthy humor and I

426
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: love you know it's a little bit, but when it's

427
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: targeted at someone rather than simple humor exactly, it just

428
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good. And I don't like that that we

429
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: were all used in this episode to just pile on

430
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: our friend because she said to her grown up married boss,

431
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: please stop hitting on me, and please stop touching me,

432
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: and please stop trying to make out with me at

433
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: bars I'm very uncomfortable, like that should just be the

434
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: bare minimum, the bare minimum. My god, this was a

435
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: nightmare period. Like I love this trip. I am that

436
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: still wear the long sleeve grateful Dead T shirt that

437
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: we wear when we arrive on Honey Grow. I have it.

438
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: I wear it once a week. It is so thin

439
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: right now, but it's because we we self edit. It's like,

440
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember going to the hotel bar. Do you

441
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: guys remember where we stayed. There was a road crew

442
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: that was also being put up at the hotel because

443
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: it was that cool two story motel you shaped with

444
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: the courtyard in the middle. It was like, yep, it

445
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: was like being at summer camp. And they had the

446
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: hotel bar and it was the only place to go.

447
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: And so we had all these like union you know,

448
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: like road crew dudes hanging out in this bar. And

449
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, tree Hill descends right and

450
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: so I went with Jojo and I learned had a

451
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: two step from a bunch of those dudes. But I like,

452
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: I danced with those dudes. I had a great time.

453
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: It was so fun. That's the stuff that's like nice

454
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: to cling to because that trip is also when our

455
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: boss assaulted me. And so it's like the duality that

456
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: we're seeing in the scenes also was existing behind the scene,

457
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: because it's like, how do I have a good time

458
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: but also have this memory of just wanting a yack?

459
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I think you bring up a really

460
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: important thing, and I gotta say, hats off to you.

461
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you were going to say that part,

462
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, on the show or not, but people assume

463
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: that you've either had this like very intense moment, you know,

464
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: you've been assaulted, like in an alley by a stranger

465
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: and it was horrible. Most of what you know, statistically

466
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: we all go through is something happens with someone you know.

467
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: And you had this horrific moment with our boss that

468
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: was so unacceptable, and it was inside of a container

469
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: of many days of great memories. And that's I think

470
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: where it's sticky and where we as a society need

471
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: to get a little bit better about understanding that many

472
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: things are true. At the same time, we have beautiful

473
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: memories of Honeygrove, of those kids, of that part we

474
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: went to to watch that episode of those amazing guys

475
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: teaching everybody to country dance at the bar and you

476
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: had like a car crash of an incident with a

477
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: grown up that was supposed to be your mentor, and

478
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: he was abusive and creepy to you. Yeah, and had

479
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: just put you through filming an episode where you were

480
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: exactly abused. Well. He also when we announced honey Grove,

481
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are aware like how

482
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: we announced it, but remember we secretly flew into honey

483
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: Grove and went to a school PEP rally, and so

484
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: he decided that it was going to be just me

485
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: and him, and so just me and him had to

486
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: fly to honey Grove, just me and him, went and

487
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: did the announcement, just me and him flew home together.

488
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 1: The flight back from that is when he assaulted me.

489
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: He assaulted me again in the car on the drive

490
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: from Raleigh to Wilmington. He went straight to set and

491
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: he told Daniel that he and I made out the

492
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: whole time and it was fun, and he was trying

493
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: to make her jealous, and so she confronted me about

494
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: it and was like, what are you doing? And I'm like,

495
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You know, And so then

496
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: we had to go on this trip with him, and

497
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: this was really like the last three months where my

498
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: blood was boiling and I didn't know how to process

499
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: it anymore. And you can see it in the episode.

500
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: You can see that I'm not there, you know, like

501
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing all these scenes with Chad, but I look

502
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: like and I kind of like, just don't I'm not

503
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: connecting in any way because I was so in like

504
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, shell mode. And my reaction to that

505
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is to not let it ruin my

506
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: good time. My rebellion is to be like, oh, you

507
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: wanted to like assert your power, cool, cool, would have

508
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: a great time and laugh extra hard with my friends. Yeah. Yeah,

509
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: Well so my memory of Honeygrove is like partying with

510
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: James Lafferty. I knew a party with Jay. I'm bardied

511
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: with Laugherd and Honey. But by the way I think

512
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: that is, I'm We're very similar in that way, and

513
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: I think part of what breeds that response. You know,

514
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: I've I've I've said it before on this podcast. We've

515
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: all talked a lot about it. The response to mistreatment

516
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: for me is usually, Oh, you think you're gonna with

517
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: my integrity, watch this, I'm gonna be early. I'm gonna

518
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: know my lines and everybody else's. I'm gonna like watch me,

519
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: and when everybody goes out, I'm gonna have the best time.

520
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: And you're gonna wonder how I could be having so

521
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: much fun with you in the room. And I've come

522
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: to realize it's a self protective thing. And I think

523
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: when people wonder why that reaction comes into play. What

524
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: I want to highlight, especially for you in this moment.

525
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: This is season four, we're on six year contracts. Yeah,

526
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: there is no you don't like it, you get to leave, No,

527
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: you don't. They literally own you. Yeah, it's a legal

528
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: battle to leave because they own you, and so you

529
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: can't get away from it. You can't quit it, and

530
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: it's hard. So you have to figure out how to

531
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: cope inside of the place that you know you have

532
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: to show up in every day. Yeah, I hope it's

533
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: okay for me to ask this, But why didn't you

534
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: ever report and when that happened? Oh? I did? I

535
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: told all sorts of people. You did? I mean, honey,

536
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: I told everybody and people saw it. What's interesting about

537
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: the culture now? People Chad walked up and goes, what

538
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: are you doing? Right? He said that to him. He

539
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: said that to our boss in the bar, he watched

540
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: our boss grabbed me in front of a lot of people.

541
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: And you know, Chad didn't have anything to lose because

542
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: he knew our boss hated him anyway. You know a

543
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of people had a lot to lose. Yeah, so

544
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: you don't speak up when you have a lot to lose.

545
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: But he felt so comfortable that that was not something

546
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: that he had a problem with. You know, I can

547
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: do whatever I want to her in public with her

548
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: boyfriend's standing there at that time. You have to remember,

549
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: like Desperate Housewives was the biggest show on TV and

550
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: Nicolette Sheriton was going through hell because she'd been assaulted

551
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: on set and they dragged her through the mud. That's right.

552
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: It was that era, right, Like it just hadn't It

553
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: didn't matter even you know the thing with her friends,

554
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: the writer in the friend's room that you know you

555
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: had talked about with HR meetings and if like people

556
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: you are related to on set aren't acting alarmed, right,

557
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: Like I was surrounded by men that I had relationships with,

558
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: my brother, my boyfriend, my boyfriend's dad, my boyfriend's uncle,

559
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: Like they were all like whatever they were all like,

560
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: you're such a trooper, you know, Like, so that was

561
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: the sentiment. No one was ever like, whoa, yeah, we

562
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: got a handle that. It wasn't until I went to

563
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: my next job. Yeah, and they culture you to handle it.

564
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: But to be clear, because people want to say, oh,

565
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: it was a different time ten years later, in the

566
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: same way you were going through this on your set,

567
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: this is what I was dealing with on my next set.

568
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: It's pervasive. It wasn't then. It was all the time. Yeah,

569
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: And you know, years later, in the same way that

570
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: you were going through this stuff and our boss was

571
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: doing this to you in front of people, it hit

572
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: me that exactly what was happening to you at this

573
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: time in North Carolina, that's what was happening to me

574
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: years later. Yeah, in front of rooms full of men,

575
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: and you know, my sweet a camera operator would pull

576
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: me aside and go, I want to punch the cat

577
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: of that guy. I've got to pay for my kids

578
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: to go to school, and I can't. What do you need?

579
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: And the people who were in charge, like your boyfriend's

580
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: dad and uncle and all those people who said nothing,

581
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: The people who were in charge that I went to

582
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: said nothing when I reported my first assault on set,

583
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: which was witnessed by people, to my boss, who had

584
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: flown in from La. Again, you get put in a

585
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: different city and they can get away with a lot.

586
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: His response was, well, thank god he didn't try to

587
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: rape you. I don't even know how to wrap my

588
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: brain around that response. That's insane. It was so like, oh,

589
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: so you're not allowed to say don't be so upset

590
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: about this, but you're saying, don't be so upset about this.

591
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: You got accosted by our boss in a bar full

592
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: of our friends and they looked at the ground because

593
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: they were afraid to confront him. And it's like, oh,

594
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: it's a life lesson to learn it if this is

595
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: season four, Yeah, we're twenty free years old. The life

596
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: lesson for me is like, never ever ever expect someone

597
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: else to take a risk for you. Just don't, because

598
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: that way, if someone ever does, you can just be

599
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised and you're not disappointed. But it's so sad.

600
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: It's not though, like we're all grown ups. We all

601
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: handle our own I handle my own ship, and everybody

602
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: can't be willing to take a bullet for everything. Like

603
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: there are things that you have to kind of strategize

604
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: about in your life. And yeah, because because when everything

605
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: came out during the Me Too movement, I felt a

606
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: sense of like members of our crew who I had

607
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: been friends with for a long time tiptoeing around me

608
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: because they didn't know if they were supposed to like

609
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: bring it up or apologize or not apologize, or make

610
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: excuses or disclaimers and like just blanket statement to put

611
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: out into the world. I don't expect anybody to have

612
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: done anything because we were in a different era at

613
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: that point, and there were a couple of people like

614
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: your friend, Sophia, like Steve Allen was my guy. Steve

615
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: Allen was a guy who pushed the dolly for our

616
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: camera on our show and was the safest, warmest, kindest

617
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: place for me and for anybody that went to the

618
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: that One Tree Whole convention we did with Beth Crookham.

619
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: They saw Steve Allen come into the lobby and me

620
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: run across lobby and burst into tears, and everyone's like,

621
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: why is Hillar crying on that guy? Because that's the

622
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: guy that was my safe person special. But to have

623
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: someone like a Steve or you know, like I had,

624
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: will and seth like, I gotta say, I hear what

625
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: you're saying. I remember having the reckoning on our show

626
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: together of going like, oh, all our bosses, all those

627
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: guys who work with our main boss, who talk about

628
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: how we're family and all the things. We're only family

629
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: until us needing help jeopardizes their money. And that was

630
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: such an ugly realization to me. But when you say

631
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't expect anybody to do anything, I sure as do.

632
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't accept that. I don't accept it. Well, now

633
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: you do, but back then, no, I am always has

634
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: been the person who will get involved, who will jump in,

635
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: who will try to shoulder something. And what I find

636
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: unacceptable is that it's usually us. It's the women figuring

637
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: out how to protect each other, how to not let

638
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: somebody go in the room with the boss alone anymore,

639
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: how to make sure we've got a side tex thread

640
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: so that somebody can feel supported when they're being hit

641
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: on inappropriately. And I'm so angry at all of these

642
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: dudes in power who stand around and do nothing. And

643
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: I have sympathy for everyone. You know, you hear that

644
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: thing of like above the line, below the line. I

645
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: hate that, but I get that so many people on

646
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: cruise can't jeopardize their jobs because they can't jeopardize their families.

647
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: But I am not okay with men that are our

648
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: peers or more powerful than us, people like your boyfriend's dad,

649
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: who was the second most powerful person on our set,

650
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: who looked at the ground. And I say this with

651
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: complexity because I loved that person for the nine years

652
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: we did our show. I do too, and I know

653
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: you guys did too. I still have a lot of

654
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: affection for me too. A lot of the people that

655
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm mad at, and I do too, But I'm so mad.

656
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm mad at the other actors who don't do anything.

657
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm mad at the producers who don't do anything because

658
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to have to do this alone. Do

659
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: you think it's a perfect metaphor that we're covered in

660
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: bruises though for this honestly, yeah, like we're covered in bruises.

661
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: We're just beaten down. That's how I felt, And it's

662
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: the girls always, yeah, and it's tiring. Do you think

663
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: that sometimes the men don't stand up because they think

664
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: we want to fight our own battles and we don't

665
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: want their home, They don't want their money to be

666
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: jeopardized either. No, I believe that there's definitely a part

667
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: of that sometimes, but I do wonder if there's some

668
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: of it that's like should I like I don't want to.

669
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to offend, Like if she's got this,

670
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: she's taking care of it, like I don't want to.

671
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: The cool guy move is to ask the woman and say,

672
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: are you uncomfortable? Want me to do something? Can I

673
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: stand with you? Yeah? Right, it's so easy. It's a question.

674
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: It's not hard to your point. Joy about the reporting

675
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: and where we go, like running things all the way

676
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: up to HR and then having the most powerful local

677
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: boss in my situation scream at me and tell me

678
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: that I was jeopardizing everybody's jobs because I couldn't quote

679
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: unquote take a dick joke, and I was like, being

680
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: assaulted at work is not a dick joke. I have

681
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: sympathy for the reality that people are scared that you know,

682
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: they're going to put a hole in the ship and

683
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: then the ship is going to sink. But get over

684
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: it and protect your people because this idea that you

685
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: know looking at the ground is okay, it's not. And

686
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: thank god, Hillary that you had that moment with Chad.

687
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: He was already so at odds with our boss. That's it.

688
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: He had nothing to lose, he was like, but by

689
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: the way, he was protected as the numb number one

690
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: on the call sheet. Yeah, he had the most power,

691
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: so he could come up and shove our boss off

692
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: you and get in a fight. And I'm glad that

693
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: he did. I want everybody to follow that lead, you know. Yeah.

694
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sweating and am I yelling? I'm so upset.

695
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: This is a sticky episode of all the episodes we've done.

696
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: This one and the all night graduation party are where

697
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: things got incredibly complicated, and you know, when we had

698
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: to revisit all of this stuff for the article that

699
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: came out about our show. Yeah, you know, there was

700
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot of time spent on this era. And so

701
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: it's it's weird to watch because I can see myself

702
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: being super super fake, and I don't know if the

703
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: fans can see, like, I don't know if they're like, hey,

704
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: Hilary seems pretty checked out of this whole scene. She

705
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: waiting to have sex with Lucas forever. We sure wish

706
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: she looked happier about it. I do not read you

707
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: like that at all. But I know what you see

708
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: because there are two and a half years of my

709
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: life on a set like this where I look back

710
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: and I can see, like I think I look like

711
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: a dead person walking. Yeah, like you, I can see

712
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: it on my face, and I don't know that other

713
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: people can are certainly people who don't know you well.

714
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: But it is a weird thing to see. It's like

715
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: you're looking at another person. Yeah. I just wanted to

716
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: be Haley in this episode because you got the cool

717
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: outfit and you got the cool hair. That whole seventies

718
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: vibe was so cute. You've got this safe relationship and like, yeah,

719
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: all the things were worked by the way. You know

720
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: what melted me. You two in the gazebo and you're saying,

721
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: tell me a secret and I'm going risky. I was like,

722
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, tattooed on my body. Like I loved

723
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: that risky. Oh it was so cute and after all

724
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: that sweetness with you two at the problem, it was

725
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: so nice to have a couple to just like feel

726
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: joy for. Yeah, I loved them in this episode. I

727
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: loved my haircut. I was real happy about that haircut.

728
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: I loved this wardrobe. Shout out to Carol Cutshall, our

729
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: wardrobe designer, costume designer. I mean, Chris Keller looked like

730
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: a million bucks in every scene, brilliant costumes for him,

731
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: all of us, like the seventies proms so fun. So

732
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: the seventies problem was so cheat But truly, I took

733
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: a picture on my phone of that frame of Chris

734
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: Keller on the white bench in the purple and white

735
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: suit with the balloons all around him, in the white shoes.

736
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: He Tyler Hilton has never looked cooler. Oh my god,

737
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: I was obsessed such good wardrobe. We built that gazebo

738
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: and left it as a gift to the town, is true?

739
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: That was like, yeah, that was part of our like

740
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: deal with the town council. Wait, you guys, something really

741
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: stuck out to me because Danielle was getting the ship

742
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: bullied out of her in this episode, and then you've

743
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: got Chris sitting on that bench looking so cool in

744
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: his elvis suit. God, I hope Tyler kept that outfit.

745
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: Not the point, seriously, but it was so interesting to

746
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: me that two of our contest winners came by and

747
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, are you Chris, Kellner. I'm like, God,

748
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: how old are you? And they make fun of him

749
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: for being this old guy at a party trolling for

750
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: younger girls, and I was like, hold on, this whole

751
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: episode is about our older boss being mad at a

752
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: younger girl who doesn't want to what happens too much?

753
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? I literally was like,

754
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, but wait, we're making fun of the creepy

755
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: old guy. I'm confused. Was it like an interjection to

756
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: try to prove he had a sense of humor or

757
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't know. I loved the scene you had

758
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: with Chris. I thought that was so nice when you

759
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: at the end when you walk up to him on

760
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: the bus and he's like trying to get you in bed,

761
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: and you're so clearly it was a beautiful delivery, which

762
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: is also hard to do when you're when you're supposed

763
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: to be playing drunk and yeah, having like a real

764
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: life realization that is actually not it's it's real. It's

765
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: not something that you're holliconating about in the in the

766
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: moment or you know, feeling overemotional about. Yeah. I love

767
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: that and the way that you guys just decided to

768
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: have a nice chat all night and Brooke has this

769
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: realization about her life and how she wants to change things.

770
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: It was so nice. It was the firm no, Sophia, Yes, yeah,

771
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: how good does know? And how good it felt? Yeah?

772
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: And what I loved too is that, in a way

773
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: we've seen through the season, Brooke and Nathan recognize their

774
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: similar patterns and lean on each other. And I love

775
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: that in realizing how easy it would be for her

776
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: to just numb out, she says, I don't want to

777
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: be that version anymore, and then kind of calls him

778
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: out to do the same, to grow up a little. Yeah,

779
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: it's so yeah. I loved it. It felt empowering and fun,

780
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: and I liked being able to voice that there is

781
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: so much growth available on the other side of that

782
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: sort of vulnerability with yourself, like this would be easy.

783
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: This is the thing I do and it's something I

784
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: actually really don't like and it hurts me and I

785
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: think I want to be different. That's so hard to

786
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: admit something about yourself that way, and she does it.

787
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I got to do it as her in this way.

788
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: That felt awesome. Yeah. I love those moments in life

789
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: because they come around and you can take it when

790
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: it comes like you can grab the bull by the

791
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: horns and be like, here's this opportunity for me to

792
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: acknowledge something I don't really want to acknowledge, but I'm

793
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: going to do it, and then I'm going to keep

794
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: moving forward with now this new information, because once you

795
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: have new information, it changes everything. Or you can shove

796
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: it down and wait till the next time it comes

797
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: back around, and it's so much harder than next time,

798
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: and it's even harder than time after that. So I

799
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: love watching It's one of my favorite things. So I

800
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Broke is one of my favorite characters because just like

801
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: ever in the whole history of the teen world that

802
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: we you know has has been given out to us,

803
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: because she's so honest all the time. It's just pure honesty,

804
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: Like this is exactly how I feel, for better or

805
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: for worse. It's I just love that she took it

806
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: in the moment that it was there, she grabbed it

807
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: and went okay, okay, it's time to change, let's do it.

808
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: So when she calls Chris Keller out the next day,

809
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: you said you were going to tell anybody so good,

810
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: so good, well, and in a way like I don't

811
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: know why I have this memory, but I remember when

812
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: we were filming that scene, you and I in the

813
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: gazebo and then he walks up and makes the threesome joke.

814
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: I remember feeling like the energy under the scene for

815
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: me was I warned you about this last night. You

816
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: said you weren't going to do sex jokes today, and

817
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: you did it. So now I'm gonna tell everybody you cried,

818
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, like like I built this little backstory that

819
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: they had agreed that he was going to be better,

820
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: and then the first thing out of his mouth is

821
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: a sex thing and she just eviscerates him, and I

822
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: loved it. It It made me giggle. I'd pay money to

823
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: see that conversation, like her just being like Chris babe, Like, honestly,

824
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: why do we always go there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, late

825
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: night drinking tea on the bus. Oh my god, that's

826
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: that's the improv skit I want to do with Tyler

827
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: at the next convention. Yeah yeah, just be like, let's

828
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: do Brooke and Chris talking about their feelings on the bus.

829
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: Just see where it goes. Yeah. I love it. Well, Hillary,

830
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, I have to say I'm so sorry that

831
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: all that happened to you and the guys. Wait, I

832
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: want to, I know, give you a complement right now,

833
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: because this is important you at the at the expense

834
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: of you know, what you felt like was subpar work

835
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: for you. As Sophia said, we didn't really see that

836
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: that way, but you know what you feel when you're

837
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: at work and you're trying to do your best and

838
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: you're you know, you've always been somebody that looks out

839
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: for everyone. You're like Mama Bear on the set and

840
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: you're always trying to check and make sure everybody's okay.

841
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: And you know, in a time when you were not

842
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: okay and I don't know who was looking out for you.

843
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't me because I was tied up

844
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: in my own drama and I don't know what. Maybe

845
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: it was James and a Steve Allen, I guess. And

846
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: you know, so if you were there, um, I wish

847
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: I had been more involved. But I just I'm I'm

848
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: impressed and I and I just I guess I wanted

849
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: to say like thank you as a cast, a member

850
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: and a crew member for somebody too. Is just you know,

851
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: you were always looking out for everybody, and even at

852
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: the events of your own work, in times when you

853
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: were going through a lot of shit, and I'm just

854
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: sorry that that all happened to you. And I know

855
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: that you get a lot of times you get which

856
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: you put out, and so I know there's a lot

857
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: of good things that came out of that, holding that

858
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: space for people, for you, and I hope that there's more.

859
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's all I was. Thank you, Okay, No,

860
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean I this was a

861
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: shy one. Yeah. Yeah, but Tyler and I sing whoa God?

862
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: We sang um? Why was there Elvis and Johnny and

863
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: June Cash. It was like we ended the night on

864
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: a keyboard in the bar and singing Johnny Carter and

865
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: June Cash that we got married in a fever song.

866
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, going to Jackson. Ye please tell me that's

867
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: your karaoke song? Like my god to do some June

868
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: Carter in karaoke? Did you guys? Didn't you karaoke in Honeygrove?

869
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard about it. It was karaoke

870
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: and it was at the bar. It was just in

871
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: the bar. That's it, you know. It's like hiding in

872
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: the fun Yeah, is my safe space. And so James

873
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: and I stole walkie talkies from the ad department and

874
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: snuck around the whole hotel, spine on people and had

875
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: a great time dream Tyler and I sang karaoke Jojo

876
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: and I line danced with the road crew. I mean

877
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: we hid in the bushes at one point. We were

878
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: definitely weird. Does that man? Like, sometimes you're just going

879
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: through the sh stuff, but then you have all these

880
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: other amazing things happening that It's like, I love that balance.

881
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that all that fun stuff happened in

882
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: honey Grove. Yeah, because it was like we all just

883
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: got to take a big road trip together. How cool.

884
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: It was fun. I wish we'd gotten to do more

885
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, you know, you guys did it after

886
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: I left. I have information. I'm googling Honeygrove right now.

887
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Davy Crockett discovered honey Grove and called it Honeygrove because

888
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: of an abundance of honey filled trees in eighteen thirty six.

889
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: Well hot damn kind of funny. Oh and something about coffins.

890
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: It's a hardware store that sells coffins too. That's funny.

891
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: That tracks well, if there's anyone in honey Grove that

892
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: has pictures from our time there. Yes, they're still taking

893
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: pictures in the gazebo, like this is still happening. It's

894
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: so sweet, you guys take pictures or like dig up

895
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: your old pictures from when we were there and please

896
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: tag us in them. Because for all of the rough stuff,

897
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: it was magical. It was and that is a credit

898
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: to the people who were there. If we were dealing

899
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: with people within our own little faction that we're weird,

900
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: the townspeople and the kids of Honeygrove made it magical. Truly.

901
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: We owe them so much excitement. They were so involved,

902
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 1: they were so like just amazed and excited to watch

903
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: and be a part of it and add great questions.

904
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: And ma'am, we had such a ball meeting with all

905
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: of you guys. Yeah, did anybody keep their outfit? Did

906
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: anybody keep their seculd keep those gold boots though? Damn? Yeah, yeah,

907
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: you should have those boots. You know what we should do,

908
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: because now this exists, we should take a little screen

909
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: grab of an episode or of a frame of the

910
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: episode and put them in that reverse searching Google and

911
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: see if we can get them for you. Those Yeah,

912
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: let's get all right, great, where the hell out of this?

913
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: Wait you guys, do we have any questions about this episode? Yeah,

914
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: we got a fan question. Yeah. Caroline wants to know

915
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: when the closing sea of an episode follows into the

916
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: next one, such as Lucas having his heart attack, do

917
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: you film those scenes on the same day or do

918
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: you wait until filming commences for the next episode. Well, ladies,

919
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: you two are the directors, tell her, Yeah, Usually you

920
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: have the other director for the next episode on set

921
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, so you film it at the

922
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: same time, unless there's a break, unless it's like season

923
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: to season. I think then, well, I was going to say,

924
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: I've only seen that happen once. What where we've had

925
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: the director and we've been able to be like episode

926
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: four raps at lunch and then episode five picks up.

927
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: Usually you don't get that luxury because directors are coming

928
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 1: from other shows. They're prepping. The way we would pull

929
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: that off by this point, like season four or five

930
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: on our show is that so often we would have

931
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: recurring directors, So like if Greg Prange was directing and

932
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: then our boss was directing, they would coordinate that. But

933
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: if we had visiting directors, which is what most shows do.

934
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: And you know what is more common. Oh man, it

935
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: would be so rough to like finish a cliffhanger and

936
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: then eight days later have somebody new come in and

937
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: like there's just somebody with a computer being like, this

938
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: is the frame. You have to match this frame. I

939
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: don't remember that, that's so funny. I really just remember

940
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: having a guest director come in and they would like

941
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: overlap the day if it was maybe if it's like

942
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: a giant stunt is what I'm thinking, you know, like, hey,

943
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: getting hit by a car, that one was an overlap.

944
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: So I remember having to direct because that requires like

945
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: a street closure and a stunt team and a drive

946
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: right right, But that's rare, you mean, it was expensive,

947
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: just an actor having to match. They're like, it's an actor.

948
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: Make them do it there. They're like, oh, you did

949
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: this three weeks ago. You need to cry exactly the

950
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: same way today. But if but if they hit to

951
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: pull a permit, they're going to get both of those

952
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: directors on set at the same time, and they would

953
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: they would always have like it was Paul or Greg.

954
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: It was always one of our local people that just

955
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: lived there. Anyway. The second director exactly, yeah, exactly, easy, easy, guys,

956
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: should we spin a wheel? Let's hey honorable mentioned to

957
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: Um Brooks showing us how to wrap a curl around

958
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: a barrel in this episode instead of shamping it in

959
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: and rolling it, because that's what everybody was doing at

960
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: the time, and it was like Sophia always ahead of

961
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: the curves. She's like, I'm gonna show you all. What

962
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: what's up. I'm like, no, no, don't fry your ends, baby,

963
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: So good. Okay, somebody read it? What's our wheel? Now?

964
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: We just have an air wrap? But we didn't have

965
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: that then? Oh? Um, is this for me? Who's the

966
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: most likely to eat pizza for breakfast? Someone spied on me?

967
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Is that all of us? I mean,

968
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't eat breakfast. I drink coffee. Uh man, So

969
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 1: it's definitely not me. It's you and I though. Yeah,

970
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: if it's around, I'm gonna eat it. If it's in

971
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: the fridge, I don't care what time it is. I

972
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: think it's like a childhood trigger, Like I love cold

973
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: pizza for breakfast because I would do it all the

974
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: time when I was a kid. If my parents ordered

975
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: pizza the night before, I'd wake up and just like

976
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: cal pizza man as I walk onto the bus. Yeah,

977
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: and now as an adult, I still love cold pizza.

978
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: But if I'm in the mood to be fancy, I'm like,

979
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: let me put the pizza in the air fryer and

980
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: make an egg and then we put an egg on.

981
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: So nice. Oh that's so good. Yeah, I've never experienced.

982
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: I will make you breakfast pizza. It's delicious. Get ready

983
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: like an over medium egg. Oh well, now the broken

984
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: peyton her roommates, you can make her egg pizza. Okay, Yeah,

985
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: what's happening in the next episode. It's season four, episode eighteen,

986
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: the Runaway. Oh, I bet they find Abby and like

987
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 1: everything's gonna start hitting the fan. Okay, Yeah, I'm so

988
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: sad for us that we're gonna soon have to find

989
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 1: out what Dan did because everyone's gonna sob and it's

990
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna be depressing. Eron, damn it. I will say, we

991
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: all know how hard it is sometimes to stand up

992
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: when terrible things are happening around you. What has saved us,

993
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: I think, is that we had each other find one

994
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: other person and like go to bat for them and

995
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: let them go to bat for you, Because very often

996
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 1: if somebody. If the first person says something, other people

997
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: feel much more secure to get in line and add

998
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: to that chorus. And so you know, something that you

999
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: all talk to us a lot about is loving our

1000
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: friendships and the way we show up for each other.

1001
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: And we have learned that in the best of times

1002
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: and in the literal worst of times, like we talked

1003
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: about in this episode. You know things that happened to

1004
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: many of us during filming of this show and even

1005
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: years later. We have consistently brought a rallying cry and

1006
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: that can really make all the difference. So if you

1007
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: can do that for somebody, we highly recommend it. And

1008
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: we love you all right you guys, thanks for bearing

1009
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: with us on this really complicated episode. Who we love you,

1010
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,960
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1011
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,279
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1012
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1013
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1014
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