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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff. You're

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Speaker 2: a weekly reminder that sometimes you can listen to visions

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Speaker 2: in your head, put on armor, and change the world.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Martha Kiljoy, and my guest today is

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Speaker 2: Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, also on Cool

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Speaker 2: Zone Media, comes out every Thursday. How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. I can't wait to find out how

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Speaker 3: these visions work out. I know, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think it will be much harder to do that today.

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Speaker 3: People really frown on it.

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Speaker 2: It's true. I almost and then there was like, oh no,

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Speaker 2: there's enough with Joan of Arc. Eventually I might do

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Speaker 2: this whole episode about there's a bunch of these women

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Speaker 2: mystics at this time, who like, in order to have

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Speaker 2: any kind of influence over their own lives, are like,

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Speaker 2: I'm a mystic, I've been sent by God, and they

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Speaker 2: I think they believe it right, But like there's all

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Speaker 2: of these ways that people learn to I don't know,

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Speaker 2: take charge of their own life. Like she's a commoner

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Speaker 2: from encircled town in a civil war. Like she's not

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Speaker 2: set up for history books.

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Speaker 3: You know, nobody's gonna listen to Joan, but they might

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Speaker 3: listen to.

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Speaker 2: God exactly much like we listen to our producer Sophie Hi.

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Speaker 2: Sophie Hi, and we all say hi to Rory are

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Speaker 2: audio engineer, Hi, Rory Hi, Rory Hi Ri. And our

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Speaker 2: theme music was written for Spyon Woman. And this is

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Speaker 2: part two of a two parter about John of Arc.

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Speaker 2: You probably figured that out from the title. Otherwise, Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to the very first episode of Cool People

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Speaker 2: Did Cool stuff You've ever listened to? And good luck.

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Speaker 3: This is a solid jumping end point if you don't

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Speaker 3: care about context.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying so hard. I've been like trying to

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Speaker 2: watch movies out of order, the kind of movies that

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Speaker 2: people watch out of order, right, like Marvel movies or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Oh you mean, like the movies out of sequence like

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Speaker 3: in the Sea. I think you meant like like starting

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, but like like movies, like like

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Speaker 2: a normal person can sit down and watch Aliens without

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Speaker 2: watching Alien right, No, I gotta surf in the beginning. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely do too, And I'm trying to break myself

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Speaker 2: of it, but it keeps not working. I keep being like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this, and then I'm like, Nope, I

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Speaker 2: gotta go back.

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Speaker 3: No, I need the context, I need the chronology. When

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Speaker 3: I started writing a story, I start with a little timeline.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well, when the guy was born, it's

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Speaker 3: probably the beginning of the time. Like, no, it's not

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Speaker 3: I need to go I need to go back.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna love your podcast, yep, and uh okay. So,

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Speaker 2: speaking of movies, there's this movie from the nineties I

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Speaker 2: really like. It's called The Anchoris either. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: No? But I know it doesn't end well for an anchorus.

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Speaker 2: It depends on their what they want. But you know,

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Speaker 2: so you've heard of anchorites. That was gonna be my

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Speaker 3: There's the they're usually like nuns or friars, right, like

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Speaker 3: holy people. People have a holy order, a religious order,

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Speaker 3: who are walled into their cell and they just live

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Speaker 3: out their days in prayer. Yep, in their tiny little

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's like voluntary, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, It is a calling that this is a very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's why I'm like, I don't want

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Speaker 3: They do die in there though, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But you know what happens to us, not in a self.

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Speaker 3: I'm just wondering how the poop gets out.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a bucket. There's like a slot where

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Speaker 3: Oh, you can receive visitors. That's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if you want watch a movie about it,

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Speaker 2: there's a movie called The Anchors. Anchorites were holy people

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Speaker 2: medieval Europe who would have themselves bricked into rooms and

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Speaker 2: World Aid distractions. The first English language book written by

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Speaker 2: what that book is about. I've tried. I do not

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Speaker 2: know what it is about. But in the nineties movie,

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Speaker 3: The best ways to not have to get a husband.

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Speaker 2: And so this is kind of one of the core

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Speaker 2: of my argument this week. Women denied power other power

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Speaker 2: in Patriarchal's medieval society exerted some power over their life

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Speaker 2: through magic, whether they're the magical underground of poisoners, or

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Speaker 2: whether through like anchortes or mystics with visions like our

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Speaker 2: young Jeanette, and I don't think this makes their belief

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Speaker 2: not done us a lot of favors. But God told

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Speaker 3: That's a get out a fuck free car baby.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely so. When Jeanette was thirteen, which is the

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Speaker 2: legal age of marriage for girls at the time, I say,

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Speaker 2: as if it's supposed to be like shocking, but that's

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Speaker 3: So it's legal in Tennessee, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. Probably her parents start setting her

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Speaker 2: soon as she started having visions, she promised the angels

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's good to keep your options open. Like

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Speaker 2: I know, you meet the right guyer girl like you know.

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Speaker 3: And you can't break a promise to an angel.

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Speaker 2: No, be a really bad idea.

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Speaker 3: You're not supposed to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the wedding's off. She has been saved by

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Speaker 2: the ominous voice at the corner of her vision, accompanied

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Speaker 3: Don't know, right, Like, people are obviously hearing about it

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Speaker 3: because some of these other mystics are showing up to

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Speaker 2: The rumors are absolutely getting there. I just don't know

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Speaker 2: the chronology here. She absolutely knows these rumors before she

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Speaker 3: Right, but are but are the influencing the early days

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, That's what I don't. I don't know. Someone

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Speaker 2: to her about all of this as well.

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Speaker 3: In the visions. Yeah, in visions, Okay, she's not receiving visitors.

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Speaker 2: No. By the time she was sixteen, England was preparing

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Speaker 2: It's like one of her. She does a couple things

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Speaker 3: She is she cold reading?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's either very good at cold reading or getting

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Speaker 3: Again, that isn't that how magic works?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. She walks up and she's like, Hi, God told

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Speaker 2: And by now the defallt is starting to be like,

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Speaker 3: That's why I don't have God's favor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And so he's thinking about going into exile.

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Speaker 2: He's I mean, he's a fucking coward, right like that.

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Speaker 2: This just comes up again and again he's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: two to three times a week telling her to get

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that comes up is that

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Speaker 2: saying certain things to somebody will have to walk there. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So she goes back to Robert. She goes back to

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Speaker 2: to Robert and begs her case and he refuses her again.

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Speaker 2: But at this point p pople in the town are

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Speaker 2: I actually think both things happen at the same time. First,

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Speaker 2: public opinion in the town is overwhelmingly like, come on, Robert,

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Speaker 2: bring the virgin mystic to the king so that she

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Speaker 2: can save France. Isn't that your fucking job here? Second,

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Speaker 2: Robert's lord and friend is Yolanda's son, and Yolanda had

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Speaker 2: been sending messengers out being like find us the prophesied maid, please,

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Speaker 2: we need our prophesies made hello.

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Speaker 3: So it's not a surprise to him that the fulfillment

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Speaker 3: But also the behaviors in court are so ingrained in

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Speaker 3: Right, like a total big secret that you couldn't just

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Speaker 3: No, they love to reveal the revelations after the secret

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Speaker 3: Hopefully it's a horse so we don't have to walk

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and her back, and now it's time for more

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Speaker 2: That's that's pretty much her vibe. Like she's like, hello,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They found her to be sent by God and

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Speaker 2: angel with a Florida lee, and.

434
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: That's a little busy for a flag. Honestly, I'm not

435
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 3: to criticize she's doing her best, but it is an

436
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 3: all right stance.

437
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: I mean like that they were like those days, the

438
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: flags were more like what can we fucking cram onto this?

439
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of flags that still have

440
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: the weird like, and now here's a drawing and she'd

441
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: been given a sword on her first eleven days. I

442
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: can't remember I included that. Now she gets like a

443
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: fucking magic sword.

444
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

445
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: There's a couple versions of this story. The one in

446
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: the history book is like, there's a blessed relic that

447
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 2: is buried behind the altar of a church that has

448
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 2: been brought back from the Crusades. And then if you

449
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: read like a Catholic saint hagiography whatever, it'll be like

450
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: no one knew the sword was there. And she's like, oh,

451
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: let me go get this sword from this place. I've

452
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: never been real quick. God told me there's a sword here,

453
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: you know. So she pulls up an ancient sword, and

454
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 2: now she has a fucking magic sword.

455
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 3: That goes pretty hard. I choose to believe that.

456
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: I yeah, I like it. It works for me. And

457
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: she gets a personal retinue, including two of her brothers

458
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: who have been sent for and I think that's really sweet.

459
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 2: It's actually a whole family affair going on. She's like,

460
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, it's like always the stories where the kid

461
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 2: goes off to go save the kingdom and you like

462
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: never hear from the family again.

463
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: But like her family believed in her.

464
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: I like that they really did. Her parents are going

465
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: to come up later in the story too, Oh good. Yeah,

466
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: and she's pretty sure that she's about to die. Well yeah,

467
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: she tells the king, I will last a year no longer,

468
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 2: Like this is not the kind of adventure you survive.

469
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: The siege of Orleon was a nasty thing, like sieges are,

470
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: because they're where you starve people to death. It had

471
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: been going on for six months. The English had tried

472
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: a regular assault, but they've been repulsed, and so they

473
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: were just trying to starve everyone out. Only the eastern

474
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 2: gate of the city was under control of the defenders,

475
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: and so the only supplies getting in or on horseback

476
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: through like small groups of smugglers on horseback. And this

477
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: isn't like one of three or four gates. There's like

478
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: a fuck ton of gates in the city. It's been

479
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: a while looking at a map of this. So there's

480
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 2: like one spot that the English aren't able to like

481
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: set up a little fort outside of right, So people

482
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: are starving. This little trickle of smugglers isn't enough. I

483
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: want to read the fiction of the smuggler. I like

484
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: these like small stories, right, because like I.

485
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: Want to know all these little guys on the side.

486
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be your spin off show, the not shitty

487
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 2: weird guys of history, you know, just the.

488
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: Guy in the background of the photos.

489
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. On the day of the Herrings, the Defenders

490
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: had tried to hijack supplies intended for the Siegers, but

491
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: despite outnumbering the English, they lost. There's a lot of

492
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: despite outnumbering the English, the French lost during this stage

493
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: of the war. It's kind of their vibe.

494
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: They're having a rough go.

495
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. While this new army that Yolando is gathering was

496
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: over in nearby Blua, and so this is where Joan

497
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: went with her retinue in her banner. She is not

498
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: the overall military commander of this operation, and that is

499
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: for the best because she doesn't know shit about shit.

500
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: This is her first battle.

501
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I think even with God in your ear,

502
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: your first time is just hard.

503
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: Yep. There's a man named the Bastard of Orleon, okay,

504
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 2: and he is the overall commander. And he's the bastard

505
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: son of the Duke of Orleon, who's still alive, but

506
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: he's been in a prison in England ever since the

507
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: fucking we shoot you full of arrows mud Pit adventure.

508
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: And the Bastard of Orleans was a sensible and popular

509
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: commander and he's actually he's pretty cool. Later he's gonna

510
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: like and we'll get to it. And in terms of

511
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: strategy and overall command, he is the one who won

512
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: this battle. But he would not have without Joan. And

513
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: that was the part that surprised me, not because I like,

514
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: don't in her, but because like she's presented as a

515
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: fucking mascot. You know, this is a winnable battle. The

516
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: French had slightly more troops in the English. Probably English

517
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: historians like to be like, we were totally outnumbered, and

518
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: the French historians are like, no, it was our side

519
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: who was outnumbered. I can't do a French accent. I'm

520
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: sorry everyone, I'm not sorry.

521
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: Probably better that we don't.

522
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the English had a series of forts built

523
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: around the city of Orleans, and they also had the

524
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: morale and they like and they're not starving, Yeah, they're

525
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: not starving. Well, the people in the city are starving

526
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: and they're going to show up at like some of

527
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 2: the later battles. But their early battles. They're like, hey,

528
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: we're just some starving people. Later, hundreds of militia from

529
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 2: the city are going to help. But England has been

530
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: steamrolling France and so they're actually overconfident and they don't

531
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: really have enough people to sustain this siege. They're like, ah,

532
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: couple thousand people. The French have basically fucking given up.

533
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: They're French. Their flag is a white flag. Isn't there

534
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: some joke around that?

535
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: Oh?

536
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the relief army set off from Blue and

537
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: they rolled out like it was a holy crusade. There's

538
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: priests walking in front of the army the whole road

539
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: to Orleon. She forbade swearing and pillaging, and she sent

540
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: away the sex workers who the camp followers.

541
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: Oh, the boys probably hated that.

542
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was popular among the soldiers, and I'm surprised.

543
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 2: They're like, what our three favorite things about war you

544
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: have taken away from us?

545
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: But the only thing that makes walking to war bearable.

546
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Joan was like, all right, we have an army,

547
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: let's attack them from the north in a very straightforward

548
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: manner until they are all dead. And this is like

549
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: pretty much her entire life for military strategy. She later

550
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: gets a little bit cannier.

551
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: Just go straight into it.

552
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, God's on my side.

553
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

554
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: The Bastard of Orleon is like, whoops, instead of doing

555
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: your plan, I took us to the wrong side of

556
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: the river figure plan. Sorry, I guess we have to

557
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: do the smart thing where we attack one fort.

558
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: That's so tactful of him to not hurt her feel

559
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 3: I know, he was very nice about it, like, don't

560
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: tell her her plans bad.

561
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they attacked one of the forts and they won,

562
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: and in large part they won, and I spent a

563
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: while reading about it. But whatever, a sudden change in

564
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: the wind changed the way that like boats were moving

565
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: on the river, and shit, right.

566
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: Well God did that.

567
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: That's what the Bastard of Orlean believes. And he's like, oh,

568
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: Joan of Arc, who's not of Arc yet, Joan has

569
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: brought about divine intervention and we've won. So at this

570
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: point in the story, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's

571
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: a mascot's great. I love her, but you know, whatever,

572
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: you know, And they take this fort temporarily, they managed

573
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: to resupply the city. They ride into town and everyone

574
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: in Orleon knows who Joan is at this point, and

575
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: they treat her like a saint five hundred years too early.

576
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: And Joan of Arc climbs up on the battlements and

577
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: shouts at the English basically like go away or God

578
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: will drive you out. And the English are like, yeah,

579
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: we're we're gonna like rape you, and shit, they're not nice.

580
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: They said a lot of not nice stuff to her.

581
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: And then the battle continued over the coming days, and

582
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: then Joan of Arc, Okay, all of our tactical ideas

583
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: at this point are just shit. Most of them are like,

584
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: let's gather up all the people and then attack them

585
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: with our people until we beat all their people and

586
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: then we win.

587
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: I mean that's kind of how Cellos.

588
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Master of Oorleon is like ignoring her.

589
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: But what Joan of Arc did which won the battle,

590
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: and this battle is pivotal to winning the war. Although

591
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: later she's gonna like actually do commander shit. She offers

592
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: morale in really extreme ways. In war, the single worst

593
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: thing is a route, right, like in a medieval fight. Honestly,

594
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: a lot of modern fights, most people don't die when

595
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: both sides are like peeppew hit you with a sword.

596
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: You know, that's the that's how war sounds. And most

597
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: people die when people give up and start running away,

598
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: and then you just shoot them all in the back,

599
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: or if it's the Middle Ages, you ride them down

600
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: with your cavalry and hit them in the back with swords.

601
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: And that's just such a big distraction if you have

602
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: to turn around. Yeah, you know, you're not focusing on

603
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: the battle, guys.

604
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on. The French army is on the verge

605
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: of a route trying to take this fort. And then

606
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: they like kind of look over and they're like, man,

607
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: there is a seventeen year old girl with a sword

608
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: in the middle of this battle with a banner with

609
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: God on it. Who the fuck are we to run?

610
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: She's not running. God is with us. And they turn

611
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: from a route to a victory, which is really fucking

612
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: rare and war and she is genuinely in the front lines,

613
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: riding with a lance, Like I feel so bad keeping

614
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: like and then I underestimated her, But it's because everything

615
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: I read felt like it was like the little quick

616
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: versions of her story, you know, Yeah, I feel like.

617
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: There are of service level understanding I have of her

618
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: as a historical figure is very mascot like.

619
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she is in the front lines, riding with

620
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: a lance, stabbing English people, and shit, I mean that's

621
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: very solid. At one point, she takes an arrow quote

622
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: above the breast and fights on, doesn't take it out,

623
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: just keeps fighting on while crying. She's just like pouring

624
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: tears as she's crying, and she's like killing motherfuckers with

625
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: a sword. So the French their morale would flag, and

626
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: then they'd look over and see this fucking crazy visionary

627
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: lady with an arrow in her chest, hacking away with

628
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: a sword with a banner with God on it, and

629
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: they're like, all right, will you probably do this?

630
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like that would be very motivational

631
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: for me.

632
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like fuck it, I'll follow her.

633
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

634
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 2: And what's wild to think about? I know, I kind

635
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: of brought this up earlier. This is why France is

636
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: the country that exists, because they believed in themselves. Because

637
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: Joan of Arc did this exact specific thing, at this time,

638
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: we might not have had the French Revolution, which fundamentally

639
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: changes the idea of how government works everywhere in the world,

640
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: not entirely for the better, but the like knock on

641
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: effects of this like blow my mind, you know, the

642
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: like butterfly flapping its wings. Effects of this battle.

643
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: Just goes to show you just do that weird thing. Yeah,

644
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: lean into it, go all the way. Who knows.

645
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the English had went from making fun of

646
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: Joan of Arc and now they are terrified of Joan

647
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 2: of Arc. They're like, the enemy has a fucking witch.

648
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: There is a sorceress attacking us, and we are all

649
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: going to die. The English are now outnumbered, the siege

650
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: is effectively broken. The like militia come out from the

651
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: city and join in the battles, and the English tears

652
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: down all their remaining forts. But instead of fucking off,

653
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: they like array themselves for battle, I mean like, I

654
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: will give it one less go fuck it, you know.

655
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: And the French army comes out of the city to

656
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: face them. But it's Sunday, uh oh, and Joan of

657
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: Arc is like, look, if they attack us, we can fight,

658
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: and if they don't, we can't. And people are all

659
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: like pissed, right, but they do it, and for hours

660
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: the two armies stare at each other down and then

661
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: the English turned tail and left. This is her first

662
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: like tactical thing she has done that saves probably a

663
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: couple thousand people's lives, you know. And she is seventeen

664
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: years old. So orly On is free. The bastard and

665
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: the maid go back to the defause court.

666
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: He did not expect them to go back.

667
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: No, no, like, And all the military advisers are like,

668
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: all right, stay at home, King, we'll begin a counter offensive,

669
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: but you stay here and stay safe. And Joan is like, well,

670
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: the voice has told me that you should go on

671
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: a perilous journey with the army to be crowned in

672
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: a more proper place, the city of Ron's and the

673
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: Dafaun's like, all right, fuck it, you're my angel, sent

674
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: by God. Let's go. Voices in your head said we

675
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: should do it. You brought me orle On. We're gonna

676
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: do it.

677
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean, so far, so good. You might as well

678
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: lean in.

679
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. He rallied his new and growing army. A bunch

680
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: of people switch sides after the victory of Orleon, basically

681
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: being like, oh, thank god, the Dafahnt isn't a coward.

682
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: We left because he was a piece of shit coward,

683
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: you know. And they marched out and they were claimed

684
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: a walled town from the English. Joan led the way

685
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: herself up scaling ladders banner in hand with the troops.

686
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: After her, she wore like a you know those like

687
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: medieval helmets that you'll see that have like kind of

688
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: like the wide brim that go all the way around.

689
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those are scaling walls helmets.

690
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: That makes sense because they're shooting arrows down at you. Yeah,

691
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: so it's like protecting your neck and shoulders, I guess.

692
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. And what's cool is we have, like we probably

693
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: don't have much of her stuff that's like totally authentic.

694
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: We probably have one of her helmets, not a not

695
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: a wide helmet, but a little pointy French helmet.

696
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: You really can't trust the Catholic Church on stuff like that,

697
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like if every if every

698
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: splinter of the cross were real, it would have been

699
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: three hundred feet long.

700
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: I know, well almost Like fortunately, right, Like she's not

701
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: a saint for like four hundred years.

702
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: Right, right, So they weren't. Like selling fake relics was

703
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: like I mean, after selling poison for husbands, fake relics

704
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: was a huge industry.

705
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, same people are doing it too. You're like, ah, fuck,

706
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: I accidentally gave my husband a splinter of the true cross.

707
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: I meant to gave him arsenic.

708
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Saint Margaret had seventy six fingers, because that's

709
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: how many bones we have.

710
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, as Margaret's, we got a lot of fingers. So

711
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: she takes this town banner in hand. Troops come up

712
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: after her. She's scaling the well. I don't know if

713
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: she's the first up, but she's like leading the way.

714
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: And at this point she's now an experienced military commander.

715
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: I think the bastard isn't coming with him at this point,

716
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: he like he survives and later he's gonna like lead

717
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: a rebellion against Charles the Seventh once Charles the Seventh

718
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: proves he sucks, but like.

719
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: He's like really busy, like keeping his dad's house. Yeah, right,

720
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: he's got to go home door leon and do orleon stuff.

721
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the tactics that she offers starts winning more

722
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: and more battles. And all of her tactics still rely

723
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: on like don't fuck around, let's just attack, let's do

724
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: decisive action, right, but she starts being smart about it.

725
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: And at one point the English shows up with reinforcements

726
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: with a ton of longbowmen, right, and this usually doesn't

727
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: go well for the French. At jones insistence, the French

728
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: army avoids another let's all die in the mud by

729
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: immediately sending cavalry. Like everyone wants say, all right, ready,

730
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: we got to get set up for battle. We got

731
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: to do the thing. And she's like, go.

732
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: Now, don't just stand there like a target.

733
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 2: You are attacking now. And they storm up and they

734
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: slaughter the longbowmen before they have time to like set

735
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: up their like pikes into the ground to keep you know,

736
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: horses from attacking and shit.

737
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 3: And they're heavy, Like it's like you have to get

738
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: in your little spa instead of your big heavy bow. Yeah,

739
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: so if you don't, just don't let them get on

740
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: top of you. Get in there smart.

741
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. This battle, the Battle of Patay, even more than

742
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: the Battle of Orleon, is what changed the face of

743
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 2: this war. The one hundred year War turns on Joan

744
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: of Arc as the commander ordering this attack, and two

745
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: thousand English soldiers lay dead, and the English courage failed,

746
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: and the French fighting spirit is renewed. This does not

747
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: end the war. The war's going to drag on for

748
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: a long ass time longer. But this is like, this

749
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: is one of the most important decisive battles of the

750
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: entire thing that turns it around.

751
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: I mean, once you've been at it for a century,

752
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: I feel like if things are picking up the pace

753
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: a little bit, that's dramatic.

754
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And the king kept wanting to chicken out

755
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: of this war, march to go get crowned, but every

756
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 2: time Joan forces him to keep going. They should go

757
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: up at towns under Burgundian control and we'll just be like, hey,

758
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: come out, I'm your king, be French again. And most

759
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: of the time they're like, yeah, all right, that sounds

760
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: all right.

761
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: If they hadn't invented nationalism yet, so they're just I

762
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: mean they could take it or leave it.

763
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally. So they make it to Ron's Charles

764
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: the seventh is crowned more properly, and Joan's parents are there.

765
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: Ah, how did they How did they get there?

766
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: They cross fucking enemy territory with like a bunch of soldiers.

767
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: I assume there's a whole delegation.

768
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: How did they know to even go? Like did someone

769
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 3: send them a letter?

770
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I assume so they probably they probably set people right.

771
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: They were like, oh, go get Joan of ARC's parents.

772
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: You know, And as the king was crowned, Joan of

773
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 2: Arcs stood at his side holding her banner.

774
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: That's kind of a big deal, I.

775
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: Know, but not as a big deal as his ads

776
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: selling the products with Kooper on Go.

777
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: God told me that you have to buy the products.

778
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: That's right, and we're back.

779
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

780
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: No, it's a huge fucking deal, right, And this is

781
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: like going to change the way that people end up

782
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: talking about her later, like after she's burned at the

783
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: steak and he kind of like has to well, we'll

784
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: get to it later. But yeah, she's right there, like

785
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 2: standing beside him, and this is like a wild thing, right,

786
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: It's like, this isn't like old Viking times where lots

787
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: of women fought, you know, this is like true civilized France,

788
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: Catholic Land. And the coronation re establishes Charles the seventh

789
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: as the rightful heir to France. And now the war

790
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: isn't who's the rightful heir. Now the war is let's

791
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: kick out the invading English, who were not living up

792
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: to the Burgundian promises of populism in Paris every Christmas.

793
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: The French royalty had always feasted the commoners, but the

794
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: English occupiers were like, why would we give stuff to

795
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: poor people? That doesn't make any sense?

796
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: Not a popular choice.

797
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the English are like, oh shit, we

798
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: better get our fucking our infant guy Henry the six

799
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: coronated in Ron's two, but they couldn't book the venue

800
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: because of the military occupation of the other side.

801
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: And how old is their baby king?

802
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. In the end, he gets like

803
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: he's like ten soon, but I think right now he's

804
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: a baby. I'm not he's not in charge.

805
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I would just in terms of like being sentient.

806
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: So he's just like a baby guy.

807
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's the fucking mascot. So they do it

808
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: in Paris and this isn't as big of you think

809
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: Paris is a bigger deal because it's the capital and

810
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: they do it like fucking Notre Dame, right, But Ron's

811
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: is where like a old Louis guy got coronated, and

812
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: that's like who they're all claiming to be the rightful

813
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,959
Speaker 2: heir of and shit, you know.

814
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: Right, you want to sort of claim the lineage.

815
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when they do this, they piss off the

816
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: Parisians because they they do this coronation in a really

817
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: English fashion, which is to say, they didn't give fresh

818
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: food to the commoners. Instead, there was like some food

819
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: for the commoners and it had been cooked like Thursday.

820
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what day of the coronation was, but

821
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: I know the food had been cooked Thursday, and it

822
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: was like several days later. And it backfired. People of

823
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: Paris were like, oh, y'all are English as hell? What

824
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: the fuck?

825
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 3: Really, at least do our customs. If you're gonna pretend

826
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: to be the king of France, like, at least do

827
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 3: it in a French way.

828
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and give us some fucking decent food. This is

829
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: supposed to be like our day, right.

830
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: There should be snacks.

831
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: And this gets that one of the most interesting, messiest

832
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: lessons from medieval history, which is that monarchy and nobility

833
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: were often kinder to commoners than like the non noble

834
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: rich like the bourgeoisie. Right, like fuck a king, fuck

835
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: a monarchy. But the rule by the wealthy that replaced

836
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: royalty is not progress. And in the fourteen hundreds England

837
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: was slightly more like middle class in bourgeois and this

838
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: is the most obviously two two hundred years later in

839
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: the English Civil War, where like the rich kick out

840
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: the king and then are all a bunch of Puritan

841
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: assholes and like genocide the Irish and all this shit.

842
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: But like it's just this really interesting thing about how

843
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: nobles are better at populism than rich people are as

844
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: I guess what I would say, you know.

845
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: Because it's sort of this paternalistic relationship.

846
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not good.

847
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, but it is if they have

848
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: this sort of.

849
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Like that's my dad, He'll take care of me.

850
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't take they don't take great care

851
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: of them, but it's like these are our people. We've

852
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: been ordained by God to care for the land and

853
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: the people or whatever.

854
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. It's like the difference between like I'm going

855
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: to take care of my sheep that I want to

856
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: like take advantage of versus like, ah, I got enough sheep,

857
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: they'll fucking do whatever they want and maybe they'll all

858
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: get eaten by wolves. Who gives a shit. It's like

859
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a sheep in either one

860
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: of those stories, you.

861
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 3: Know, right right, you die at the end regardless.

862
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not good. You get it. And things

863
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: get messier after all this new coronation shit, after his coronation.

864
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: Charles the Seventh is like, hey, let's call for a

865
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: truce in peace talks and this sounds nice, right, Like

866
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: that's usually the vibe try to end civil wars. But

867
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: Joe of Arc is like, no fucking attack Paris. What

868
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: the fuck are you talking about? And this is the

869
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: first time he doesn't listen to her, and it goes badly.

870
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: The other side is like, oh, yeah, totally, let's do

871
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: peace talks. That's totally what we're about. And so they

872
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: sign this like several week truce and they like use

873
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: that time to get thousands more nights across the English

874
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: channel to reinforce Paris.

875
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: That's sneaky, that's not.

876
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: Honorable, I know. And so eventually the English are like, nah,

877
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: just kidding, fuck you, we were never gonna do peace,

878
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: and so Charles the Seventh marches on Paris. But now

879
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: Paris is defended as fuck. Paris is the largest city

880
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: in the western part of Europe, and it's you know,

881
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: the most fortified, and there's hundreds of thousands. It's like

882
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: bad right, let them dig in. Yeah, and like it's

883
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: a Burgundian city overall at this point, and so like

884
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: they're not even the people. I mean, the people of

885
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: Paris are like the underclass is kind of on the

886
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: side of Charles' seventh, but like the middle class and

887
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: shit are and it's like it's messy.

888
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: Because it's been years at this point, right that they've

889
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: held this area.

890
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they have a big ass battle and

891
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: it is medieval as hell. There's cannonballs and arrows flying everywhere.

892
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: People are trying to dam up the moat with sticks

893
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: so they can build a bridge to climb the walls.

894
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: People are dying everywhere. Joan tries to rally the troops

895
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: to scare the enemy, but the Perusians are like, they

896
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: don't see her as an emissary of God or as

897
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: a scary witch. They're like, you're a provincial loser or Paris.

898
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: We don't like people from the countryside. And so they

899
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: shoot her in the fucking leg when she's trying to

900
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: do this big like we can do it, guys rallying cry,

901
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: and it takes her down. Unlike the arrow she takes

902
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: in the chest, which I think like probably just didn't

903
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: penetrate all that far, this one takes her out and

904
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: Yolanda's son dragged her out of the moat she'd fallen into,

905
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: and they all retreated, and seeing their mystics struck down

906
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: took the spirit out of the people, and the whole

907
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: attack fails. It probably would have failed anyway, and this

908
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: is the end of her having favor at court.

909
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 3: That's awfully fickle.

910
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 2: Oh, they're super fickle. There's this thing where like again,

911
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: most of the narratives I've heard around this is like, oh,

912
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: her straightforward tactics working early on, but when she tries

913
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: it in pair, she loses, and then she loses again,

914
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: and you know, as if she's a bad commander. No,

915
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: she wanted to attack Paris before it was defended.

916
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: And that might have worked.

917
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: And the other failures that she has I'll get to,

918
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: but it's because she loses favor. She has shunned, she

919
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: has shunted out of the limelight. Yolanda is also kind

920
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: of out of the limelight now because, like Jones, her

921
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: guy right and Yolanda's main rival, comes more to power,

922
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: and so they send Joan to try and siege a

923
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: town that they know she can't in the middle of winter,

924
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: barely any soldiers. They are not sending any reinforcements or

925
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: food or money or anything right, and she fails because

926
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: she can't do it, and now she's disgraced, and the

927
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: king he makes her a noble at this point in

928
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: order to save face, and now she becomes Joan of

929
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: Arc like now she has a title, and the imprisoned

930
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: Duke of Orleans somehow sends her red dress covered in rubies,

931
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: presumably through the Bastard of Orleon, and basically everyone, at

932
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: least the king is hoping that she's going to hang

933
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: up the sword and armor and just shut up and

934
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: be a lady, right.

935
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: Not our girl, Joan. No, absolutely not.

936
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: No, She's not going to shut up and be a lady.

937
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: Despite having like basically no support from the king, she

938
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: keeps fighting the fucking English. She has her tiny personal retinue,

939
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: including one brother. I don't know what happened to the

940
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: other brother, it probably wasn't good. And she has two

941
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: hundred Italian mercenaries and she just goes around. She's conquering

942
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: towns and shit, she knows the size of her on

943
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: fucking force. She's winning battles. Then she's valiantly defending the

944
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: retreat of her nights across a drawbridge when the guy

945
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: in charge of the town ditches her by raising the

946
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: drawbridge with only her and a few nights outside, and

947
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: she's surrounded by the English and captured. Oh shit, So

948
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: she never failed as a military commander. She was abandoned.

949
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: That's so sad, I know. And most of the versions

950
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: of the story of Joan of Arc focused now on

951
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: like what I try not to just like constantly talk

952
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: shit on everyone else who's told a story that I'm telling,

953
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: but I'm like particularly bitter with this particular one. You know,

954
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: there's good stories and very smart stories. People want to

955
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: talk about the theological stuff and things like that, and

956
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: that's interesting, right, So people focus less on her military

957
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: career more in her like torture and trial, and I'm

958
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: going to focus less on those.

959
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: I think it's with a lot of stories like this,

960
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: the learst best kept, most well maintained records that we

961
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: have are from the court and from the church, and

962
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: in this case, it was yep, the Church's canonical court, right,

963
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: so like yep, that's who was writing it down, yep.

964
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: And so yeah, like almost everything we have of like

965
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: direct quotes from her and stuff absolutely comes from court.

966
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 2: And it is an interesting court room drama. I would

967
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: absolutely watch like just the court movie, and it probably

968
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: exist was a million of Mard movies. I just haven't

969
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: seen them. But like, so she sold to the English.

970
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: This does not transport her to England. She's like in

971
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: just English controlled France, you know. And they put her

972
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: on trial for heresy, not by the English crown but

973
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: by the Catholic Church. Her charges include wearing men's clothes,

974
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: acting on demonic visions, and saying only God can judge me,

975
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: not you clerics here on earth, instead of submitting to

976
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: the church.

977
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: Okay, well, this is just truly unfair because we already

978
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: checked if the visions were demonic, I know, you know

979
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like we weren't just acting on her word,

980
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 3: like some guys checked. Yeah, like she's already been acquitted

981
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: of the demon thing.

982
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the trial is a show trial, Yeah, no doubt.

983
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: It fails to meet even the Catholic Church's standards for inquisitions.

984
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: This is actually part of why it was like kind

985
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: of easy ish for the church to later be like no,

986
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: just kidding, She's totally fine. Is that? Like actually some

987
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: of the clerics were like, hey, you can't do this,

988
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: and they were like arrested in shit, you know, so

989
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: there were some people who tried to like stand up

990
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: for what they perceived as justice in their inquisition, which

991
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: is not a word that has a good record. But

992
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: then again, that's how people are going to look at

993
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: the modern prison industrial complex. They'll be like, and then

994
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: this judge thought that it was like good to put

995
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: someone in jail for marijuana, and everyone's gonna be like,

996
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, jail arbaric, barbarous. Anyway, at

997
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 2: the beginning of the trial, Joan is defiant and well

998
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: spoken and clever. She has like proved theological shit that

999
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: she has no way of knowing, right, she doesn't have

1000
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: any traditional education. And there's a whole thing where demonic

1001
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: visions are embodied, like if Jesus shows up and he's

1002
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: like and he can like touch you and you can

1003
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: like put your finger in that wound, you know, that's

1004
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: the devil.

1005
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: I don't know that they've been consistent about this over time.

1006
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: No I am no I every expectation they were not.

1007
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: But in the early fourteen hundreds, this is the way

1008
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: the Catholic Church did it. If it's not embodied as

1009
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: a chance of being proper in divine and slowly as

1010
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: the months wear on, she's beaten down. She's like, oh,

1011
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: Charles is gonna save me. I got him crowned, you know,

1012
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: like it's just a matter of time.

1013
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like did you forget your girl?

1014
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: No, he's a fickle, cowardly fuck. In the end, she

1015
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: signs a document saying she's sorry in exchange for not

1016
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: being killed. She's like, I won't wield weapons or wear

1017
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: men's clothes, and she got life in prison instead of

1018
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: burned at the stake.

1019
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: Wow, it's a lot like the modern federal court system.

1020
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 2: And they left men's clothes in her cell to kind

1021
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: of try and trap her, and she said later that

1022
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: she wore them because she wanted to address as a

1023
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: man when you have mail guards.

1024
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 3: Right, this is the same reason as before. Right, It's

1025
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: like this is a safety and practicality consideration, right, And

1026
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: like that's completely possible.

1027
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: I also think it is completely possible that she preferred

1028
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: to present in mail attire. Right. And then she said

1029
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: that the angels had come and chastised her for for

1030
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: swearing them out of fear, and that you should not

1031
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: act out of fear, and so she would never forswear

1032
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: them again. She would not deny that God had spoken

1033
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: to her, so they burned her at the stake on

1034
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: May thirtieth, fourteen thirty one. She asked for a cross,

1035
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: and an English soldier made one from a stick and

1036
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: gave it to her, and she held it against her chest.

1037
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: And after she burned her ashes were thrown into the

1038
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 2: river so they could never become relics.

1039
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: Which tells me they were thinking, like, not everybody is

1040
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: going to agree with what we did here, right, if

1041
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 3: you are thinking ahead to making sure there's no finger

1042
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: bones to put in a glass case in the cathedral, Yeah,

1043
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 3: you know, you might be wrong.

1044
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: You know, you're the baddie.

1045
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: You might be wrong.

1046
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: And part of the reason that this later gets thrown out,

1047
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: this whole case gets thrown out, is because like even

1048
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: though all of almost all the clerics are French, out

1049
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: of like the like hundred or whatever fucking inquisitors, almost

1050
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: all of them are French, they're almost all English aligned, right,

1051
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: and it is not a neutral trial. And it was like,

1052
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: according to the Church's own doctrine, she should have been

1053
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: tried impartially, you know, send her to Rome, yeah, I mean,

1054
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: or just be like, hell, yeah, you rule, good job.

1055
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: Keep the sword dresses a boy, gender's fake.

1056
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: God loves everyone, or just like send her back to

1057
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: a little French village and move on.

1058
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally like grow up. Yeah. Four years later, the

1059
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: Burgundians made peace with Charles the Seventh and abandoned England.

1060
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: Ten years after that, in fourteen fifty three, the French

1061
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 2: finally kicked the English out of France, out of everywhere

1062
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: except Klay. And since Joan had been important in getting

1063
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: Charles the Seventh crowned, it was politically important that her

1064
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: image be rehabilitated. So there was a second trial and

1065
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: she was found innocent, and then in nineteen twenty she

1066
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: was canonized, becoming again I believe, the only Catholic saint

1067
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: who was killed by the Catholic Church. And yeah, I

1068
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: think she's cool.

1069
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: She got a raw deal, man, She got a raw deal.

1070
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: She really did. She knew she was gonna right. She

1071
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: was like, I only got a year, you know?

1072
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: But oh was she right? What was the timeline on that? She?

1073
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 2: Actually, I think she did outlast her own prediction because

1074
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: she was seventeen when she said that, and she was

1075
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: nineteen when she died. But she might have been because

1076
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: her trial was dragged on for months. It might have

1077
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: been about a year before she got caught.

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00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: She might have been about right.

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00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Charles the Seventh is the big fucker here, right, Like.

1080
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: He probably could have bargained for her back if he

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00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: was so inclined.

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Speaker 2: I know. And there's this whole thing where they like

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00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: were really specifically worried about, Like there's the whole case

1084
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: is like she's incredibly well guarded this whole time, right,

1085
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: because they're like, fuck, he might come and raid to

1086
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: try and get her free, and he never even tried.

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00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: There was no chance that that man would have done that, Like,

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00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 2: there was no part of his personality that was like

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00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: I should risk things for people who've risked things for me.

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00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: Like, especially because he'd already abandoned her at that point.

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00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: That's why she got abandoned.

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00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, she hadn't been fucking abandoned. Who fucking knows

1093
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: how the story would go, no idea. And that's how

1094
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: two women changed history by relying on slash, in Yolanda's case,

1095
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: possibly fabricating visions. I'm pretty certain that Joan of Arc

1096
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: genuinely saw what she saw, you know, Oh.

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00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I believe that, you know, on whatever level

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00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: these things can be true, but yeah, she was acting

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00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 3: out of sincere belief.

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00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

1101
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did things shake out for Yolando?

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00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: Like she lived for another she live on into like

1103
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: the fourteen forties and did a bunch of other political shit.

1104
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: I like, I followed her story a little bit, and

1105
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: I was like, yep, more back and forth of Nobles.

1106
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm good. And the Bastard of Orlean led a revolt

1107
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: against Charles the Seventh when Charles the Seventh tried to

1108
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: like centralize more power and be like, oh, it's the

1109
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 2: King of friends, I should also be able to like

1110
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: make everyone give do even more for me, And he

1111
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: was like, I don't like that idea. And I'm the

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00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: Bastard of Orlean.

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00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 3: See that's why you don't help kings. I know, that's

1114
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: why you don't help kings man.

1115
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: That really is the moral of this story. Like there

1116
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: is a version where Joan of Arc leads a peasant

1117
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: army and it is like just my happiest dream utopia.

1118
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: You know, really, God should have sent you out into

1119
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 3: the countryside instead.

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00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, go lie to the king and get a

1121
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: lot of swords so that people are fighting with more

1122
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: than just like fucking flails from the field. Yeah, I

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00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: always want to know more about Joan of Arc and

1124
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 2: now I do, and now we do. I was expecting

1125
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: to be this one of those episodes where I'm like, eh,

1126
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: I think she's fucking cool as hell.

1127
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: We need another one.

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00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, just with better be the equivalent of that, like

1129
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: fighting for like Biden or some shit, you.

1130
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 3: Know, just sent by God to fight in the streets

1131
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 3: for Joseph Robin at Biden.

1132
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, God damn it. Anyway, thanks for listening, And if

1133
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: people want to hear about more weird little now, I mean,

1134
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: she's weird, but not in the way that I love

1135
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: that we're having a public reckoning with the fact that

1136
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: weird has more than one meaning, And people are like, no,

1137
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: you can't use weird as a mean word for Republicans

1138
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: because we're all weird, And You're like, did you know

1139
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: that nowns can have multiple definitions or I guess adjectives

1140
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: in this case, I think.

1141
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: The most succinct explanation I've seen is like, there's difference

1142
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: between like weird aunt energy and weird uncle energy. Right, Like,

1143
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: your weird aunt will let you smoke pot at her house,

1144
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 3: you're weird uncle. You're not allowed to be alone with.

1145
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have faith in some weird uncles having weird

1146
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: on energy, Like exactly, it's gonna take you to the

1147
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: horse races, you know, and like it'll be weird, but

1148
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: everything's safe.

1149
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there are different kinds of weird, Like Joan

1150
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: was definitely a weird little guy, but not like the

1151
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: weird little guys on my show, Right, those guys suck.

1152
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you told the story from the Burgundian point

1153
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: of view.

1154
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 3: A real villain.

1155
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sent by God to fucking stab us all.

1156
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: It really took care of business on that one.

1157
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, folks should check out your show on Thursdays.

1158
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: And folks should check out my sub stack where I

1159
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: post about lots of stuff.

1160
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: And pre order your book.

1161
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and pre order my book called The Sapling Cage.

1162
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 2: It comes out September twenty fourth from Feminist Press. Has

1163
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: lots of stabbing, but probably less death overall because it's

1164
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: a sort of young adultish book. You ever heard of

1165
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: the genre crossover?

1166
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: Crossover to what?

1167
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: This is a genre called crossover of books. It's the

1168
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: word for ya, books that everyone knows are actually going

1169
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: to be mostly read by adults.

1170
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I get it again.

1171
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it changes not only the way they're marketed,

1172
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: but it actually gives you a lot more freedom in

1173
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: terms of how you write them, not in terms of

1174
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: it are being like more gore or whatever, but in

1175
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: terms of like breaking from certain assumptions about ways that

1176
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: certain characters behave and all of these other things. And

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00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: so The Sapling Cage is a crossover book that people

1178
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: can check.

1179
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: Out, and they should, they should preorder it.

1180
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to plug that. We're making a lot

1181
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: of progress on the Android AD free version of Cooler

1182
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: Zone Media that's currently only available at Apple, and there's

1183
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: like technical things that are happening that are actually happening,

1184
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: and it should be done soon and then people will

1185
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: be happy and nobody will be mad ever again, right,

1186
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: how's that works?

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Speaker 3: Yay? Okay? Cool?

1188
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1189
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: Now that I'm a podcaster, people are asking me about that, Sophie,

1190
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: and that is not my business.

1191
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: I know. Like that's why we have producers, because podcasting

1192
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: is incredibly hard and actually takes a team of people

1193
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: to do it right anyway. But if you want to

1194
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: hear it done right, you can listen to lots of

1195
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Speaker 2: cool Zone Media podcasts, including this very one next week

1196
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: when I talk about more cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: See you next week.

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