1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume the Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Friday Morning Colin Coward Podcast. My buddy John Middlecoff is 7 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: going to join us. John's a former NFL scout. I 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: think he's fantastic. He's also going to be a great 9 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: golf podcaster for whatever company pays for that, because he's fantastic. 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: He'll have some thoughts on Bryson Deshambo or as we 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: call him, Bryson Douche Shambo, after another embarrassing incident. But 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: it's Friday, so it's time for fake questions, real answers. 13 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: These are questions I want to answer, but don't want 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: to wait for somebody to ask me them. Here we go, 15 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Dear Colin. People are always talking about how some retired 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback should unretire. Which quarterback do you think could 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: come back and be successful? Well, the obvious answer is 18 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers because he won eleven games last year. But 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: there is something going on in the NFL which I 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: think makes it really difficult for older quarterbacks who aren't 21 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: athletic at Athleticism now is at a total premium because 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: of rule changes. If you look at the young quarterbacks 23 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: that are succeeding in this league, all of them are 24 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: special athletically. Kyler Murray is a success, slow as Lamar Jackson, 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, yet Jared Goff struggling. 26 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones doesn't appear to be dynamic enough Mac Jones 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: in New England. I am hearing they clearly see his 28 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: limitations athletically. When you have a sport which changes rules 29 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: to benefit special athletes, it becomes increasingly difficult for older athletes. 30 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: I eat quarterbacks to flourish now. I do think there 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: are perfect situations. Brady and Tampa, good old line, great weapons, 32 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers behind arguably the best old line in Indianapolis. 33 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: But that's going to be an outlier going forward. Athleticism 34 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: never been more important. Rule changes dictate that. Dear Colin, 35 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: if you are a successful college football coach, would you 36 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: leave for the NFL? I always feel the two best 37 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: football jobs in America Number one. The best job is 38 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: an NFL head coaching job. When you have a star 39 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: quarterback in his athletic prime, all right, you don't have 40 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: to teach him how to play quarterback, or you don't 41 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: have to hunt for his successor, like in Green Bay. 42 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: I would say Kansas City, Patrick Homes the next ten years, Seattle, 43 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson the next seven to eight years, Buffalo the 44 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: next ten years, Baltimore Lamar Jackson the next decade. Those 45 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: are the best jobs in football. You don't have to 46 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: worry about the NCAA meddling boosters or athletic directors. The 47 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: second best jobs football jobs in America are the top 48 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: college football jobs Bama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, top brands, Notre Dame. 49 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: Why because you can control your personnel. As Nick Saban says, 50 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: I get twenty five first round picks every year. Now, 51 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: the downside of that is that the players are constantly 52 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: leaving the program. You're having to refill the cupboard constantly. 53 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: But some guys like recruiting. I think every other football 54 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: job after those two groups NFL coaches that have star 55 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in their prime and big brand football powers, every 56 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,279 Speaker 1: other football job in America you're being hired to eventually 57 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: be fired. Dear Colin, you're a college football prospect. You 58 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: can choose one school to go to. What are you picking? Well? 59 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: With a new name, image and likeness component, you have 60 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: to consider that I would choose Texas. Here's the reasons. 61 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: Athletic director Chris del Conte is considered the best athletic 62 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: director in the country. Very smart in terms of promotion 63 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: and marketing. He's going to get eyeballs on the program. 64 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisian also very offensive minded. Texas is located in Austin, Texas, 65 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: the fastest growing city over the last eighteen months in America. 66 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: It is sophisticated, The brand is big enough to have 67 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: massive appeal around the country. SEC schools play real big 68 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 1: boy football, but most are lodged in very small towns. 69 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: USC is a great brand, but it's a distracted city 70 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: in a distracted program. You have two NFL teams, two 71 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: NBA teams, two baseball teams within forty five minute drive. 72 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: Texas Football owns that part of Texas. Sophisticated, large brand 73 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: with a brilliant marketing guy as athletic director feels like 74 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: the best place in college football. Over the next half 75 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: decade to play Dear colin Los Angeles County. Going back 76 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: to masks. This must really burn you. Interesting question, No, 77 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't. Listen. I wear seat belts. Why because if 78 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: you get into a car accident, there's a forty five 79 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: percent chance wearing a seat belt will save your life. 80 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: I know in America they're taking my freedoms from me 81 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: in the car. I'd like to live in La County. Currently, 82 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: every single person in icu or who has died of 83 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: COVID is unvaccinated. I'm going to wear a mask. I'm 84 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: okay with it. You don't have to wear a mask 85 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: at home. You don't have to wear it in a 86 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: car like you have to wear a seat belt. You 87 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: don't even have to wear it at a restaurant. If 88 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: you're eating, you've got to wear a mask from the 89 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: moment you'll leave your car to the front door of 90 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: the restaurant where I live. That's twenty feet. Then you 91 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: can take it off when you sit down. I know 92 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: this is infringing on my liberties as an American, but 93 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: I would argue, aren't seat belts. There's limitations on planes, 94 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: there's limitations in cars, there's limitations in our workplace. I'm okay, 95 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: spend seven dollars and buy a really comfortable silk mask. 96 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: I have several. I'm okay with it. It's not ideal, 97 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: but either is life. All Right, Let's bring in John Middlecoff, 98 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: former NFL scout. He is the host of the Three 99 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: and Out podcast. We are going to I'm gonna I'm 100 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: not gonna give it away, but we're gonna have some 101 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: big news with John Middlecoff soon. I'm gonna leave it 102 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: at that. One of the things you may not know 103 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: about John is that he's not only as good as 104 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: any podcaster in the country on football the NFL, but 105 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: he loves golf, and so I want to start today. 106 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: We have given Bryson d Shambo a new name on 107 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: this show last week, Bryson Douche Shambo. I don't like him. 108 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: It may be generational. I like Brooks Kpka a lot. 109 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: I love Tiger Woods. I'm okay John with an alpha male. 110 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm okay with an over the top guy. I really am, 111 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: but there is a certain level of refinement and respect 112 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: I demand. I hated John Day. I can't stand Bryson. Basically, 113 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: he called out Cobra. These are custom clubs he helped design. 114 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Cobra fired back and he had to apologize. I love golf, 115 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: I play it. You are really passionate. How do you 116 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: view Bryson Deshambo, Well, I think we have to look 117 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: just golf is different than football, basketball, or baseball. Right 118 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: it's you're by yourself. So historically you've gotten some weirder guys, 119 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, you know, the top, the Jacks, the Pills, 120 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: the Tigers. They can run in any crowd. Tiger used 121 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: to hang with Michael, but most guys aren't really running 122 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: with with with Tom, you know, or with cal Ripken 123 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. He's clearly an outlier personality just the way 124 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: he is as an individual, and he would be in 125 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: any sport that he played. He is an elite player though, 126 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: and he has been for a long period of time. 127 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: People on tour do not like him. Kepco is not alone. 128 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: The people that I know in that kind of world, 129 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: they do not like him, you know, for just reasons. 130 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: Not that he's just a weirdo, because there are a 131 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: lot of weirdos and they're weirdos and team sports. It's 132 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: that they don't always think he's a great guy. Now 133 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: he's young. You know, he's in his mid twenties and 134 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: he's making you know, I would imagine the golf when 135 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: when you were growing up, Jack or whoever, the money 136 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: right in your adult life, since you've been working, that 137 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: has changed dramatically, Right, So these guys, a guy like 138 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: Bryson now you know, probably making thirty million dollars a 139 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: year on and off the course, right, he's making huge money. 140 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: So we can go to your head a little bit, 141 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: and you know everyone is answering to him. I think 142 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: he has a lot of yes men. It's pretty clear 143 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: as caddy quit on him. Quit. You know, a caddy 144 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: you are as a caddy, you make as much as 145 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: your player makes. And Bryson is a cash cow. You know, 146 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: he's one of the top earners on the tour. So 147 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: that's not normal. And the guy's just like I had enough. 148 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: You know, you don't leave a rocket ship in money 149 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: when you're a caddy, and that's what basically the guy did. 150 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Bryson just now, from a golf standpoint, 151 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: this course is terrible. You know, the the open over 152 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: earn't you English? Yes, yes, I mean it's the terrain 153 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: over there is a little different than over here, right, 154 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: So it's you know, you can't just bomb it down 155 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: the course, hit it wherever and it gets to him. 156 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: And there a lot of you know, quote unquote lucky 157 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: breaks I think historically in this tournament, and Bryson doesn't 158 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: do luck. Scientists just he's very He's a mathematician, right, 159 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: and this tournament is not black and white. There's a 160 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: lot of gray area, and that's not his thing. So 161 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a long I mean, not a 162 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: long week. I mean he might be gone after after Friday, right. 163 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: I tend to be a huge Rory McElroy fan. He is. 164 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: He reminds me a little of Kepka abroad. Alpha has 165 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: a celebrity feel, respectful of the game, respectful of its history, 166 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: but definitely a big hitter, um a personality, outspoken, smart. 167 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: He reminds me, again a little bit of Kepka. Dustin Johnson. 168 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: I like all three of those guys. Those are three 169 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: of my favorite guys, along with Mickelson on the tour 170 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: and Tiger. Your thoughts on Rory the Open and his 171 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: chances not good. I think he's somewhat of a shell 172 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: of himself as a player. I mean when he burst 173 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: on the scene, he was want to add one of 174 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: what happened for a year, you know, you know some 175 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: of the older guys think he got too rich. I 176 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: mean he made a couple hundred million dollars by the 177 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: time he was twenty five. And you know, now you 178 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: could argue golf, tiger Woods and fill. You know, there's 179 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: a rare group that can maintain greatness for decades. Right 180 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: Most guys have three or four year windows. And it's 181 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: not like a quarterback that can have fifteen great years. 182 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: Like some guys go on two or three year runs, 183 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: but then they maybe go on another two or three 184 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: year run. I just think it's hard. You know, the 185 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: depth of the tour has never been this deep. And again, 186 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: he's really really rich. You know, when you're worth hundreds 187 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, it's not like Belichick's calling your 188 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: practices right now. You gotta go out and hit balls 189 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: by yourself. You know, you got to just work by yourself, 190 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: and that it could be lonely in sports. You know, 191 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: it's a very lonely sport. Football is you just you 192 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: get to grind with teammates. Even the worst of times. 193 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: There are guys right next to you. Even the position 194 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: coach is kind of in the trenches with you. Golf, 195 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: it's really just you, kind of your caddy. But I 196 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: mean it's just kind of you, you know, it's and 197 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: it's just it's a fickle game. I mean, you just overthink. 198 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: It's kind of like baseball in the sense that I 199 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: think you think a lot right or kicker, and you 200 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: can overthink. 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So 238 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: a couple of NFL stories that jump out to me. 239 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: I saw Jimmy Johnson, who I don't know if I've 240 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: ever told you this. So when I started doing, I 241 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: came to Fox and they had I came here and 242 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: they gave me the Herd. And then part of my 243 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: deal was I was also going to be a co 244 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: host of an afternoon show with Jason Whitlock. I was 245 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: not scheduled to do the Sunday show with Michael Vick, 246 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: Juan stat, Tony Gonzales, and Charissa. I wasn't scheduled, but 247 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: Eric Shanks, the president, came up to me and said, 248 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: would you be interested doing it? And I said, well, 249 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: who's the host because the whole kind of drives the 250 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: show and he said, Chrissa Thompson. Well, Chris and I 251 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: are friends. She's unbelievably talented, she's so much fun to 252 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: work with. And what I quickly discovered is that Jimmy 253 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Johnson was so valuable to me as a talk show 254 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: host because Jimmy is the first guy in every Sunday 255 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: on the show after us. So I would get there 256 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: for my show. Hell, Jimmy'd been there for a half 257 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: hour Football john I would ask Jimmy five or six questions. 258 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: He was so smart, he knew everybody. I stayed on 259 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: that show for years because of Jimmy Johnson and Carissa, 260 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: Carissa as a co host while I wasn't a host, 261 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: but as a co worker, and Jimmy Johnson because he 262 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: was so damned smart. Now Jimmy's career is winding down. 263 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: I would honestly pay Jimmy Johnson. I've thought about this 264 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: to just give me information. I'd give him a monthly 265 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: fee if I can call you twice a month for 266 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and get information. He's that great, so long, 267 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: very short. He's been talking with Urban Meyer. Belichick and 268 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: Jimmy are tight. Urban and Jimmy are tight. And Jimmy 269 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: said this week that Urban's getting incredibly frustrated because he 270 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: has no contact with the players because of COVID and 271 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: the NFL rules. And I thought to myself. You know 272 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: a lot of college coaches go to the NFL, and John, 273 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: you know this. They struggle with lack of control. The 274 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: owner makes calls, the gmcrol controls personnel. And now you're 275 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: throwing COVID Urban Meyer. And it did make me pause 276 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: for a moment with Urban who I know well, like 277 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: no he and his wife, and I thought, this is 278 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: not a control business. College football is a control business. 279 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: That is not an NFL business. If I said, do 280 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: you predict this season for Urban Meyer and the Jags, 281 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: where do you go? Record wise? Where do you go? 282 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: Just kind of what it looks like in a year 283 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: from now, really quick, quick. Jimmy Johnson story at the 284 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl two years ago when the Niners played the Chiefs, 285 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: I went for three and outpod to interview Brett Veach 286 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: and I know some other guys on the staff. So 287 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: I just stayed at there. They were staying. It's Big 288 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: Marriott wherever in bs and we I had breakfast with 289 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: a couple of guys and they said, you know, Jimmy 290 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: talked to the team last night. Andy had him talking 291 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: to the team, and they said, honestly, I've never seen 292 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: anything like that. Everyone was just on the edge of 293 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: They said, it was absolutely incredible. Every movie scene you've 294 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: ever seen with it was as good as a guy 295 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: I've been. He still has his fastball. Okay, I've been 296 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: at two years ago. I've been at two dinners in 297 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: the last five years with Jimmy Johnson at Fox, and 298 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: he's given the speech both times. He's so good, he's 299 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: so bright. I've learned more football from Jimmy Johnson than 300 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: anybody I've ever met. So, so let's go back to 301 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: urban your thought. I think there's just such a distinct 302 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: difference from college in the pros. Now. I didn't work 303 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: at a Power five conference, but when I had left 304 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: from Fresno State and we were producing first round guys 305 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: and had you know, coach Hill was an NFL guy 306 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: to the pro, it was just so it was just 307 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: night and day. They didn't parallel anything beside you play 308 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: you play football with a football, but I mean the 309 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: way the weeks went, the way everything, it was just 310 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: completely different. And now he was at programs that were 311 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: much closer to the NFL. But in terms of, like 312 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: you said, these players, even though the NFL, of all 313 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: the sports is still the last one where the coach 314 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: consistently yells at the players. That doesn't happen in baseball. 315 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: It definitely doesn't happen in the NBA. But there is 316 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: a level like you're not just peppering your players unless 317 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: you're an Andy Reid or Sean Payton, and you have 318 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: really close relationships over the years with your guys over 319 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: the summer, like they're off on their own. Where in 320 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: college they never really leave you for more than a week, right, 321 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they just don't get out of you. And 322 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: they make a lot of money. Now Urban's got a 323 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: lot of cash too, But a lot of guys on 324 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: his team are not. They don't look I mean, he 325 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: has to earn their respect. One despite he's an all 326 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: time great college coach. No one would argue that does 327 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: that mean anything to a lot of guys though on 328 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: his team. No. I mean, like Trevor Lawrence just goes well, 329 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: I just played for all time, Like who cares? Now 330 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: he's a bad example because he would listen to anybody. 331 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: But when you talk about defensive linemen and some wide 332 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: receivers that have personalities, you got to be crazy as 333 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: a head coach in the NFL. You really do, And 334 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: like I think Jimmy but all these guys, to Sean McVeigh, 335 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: to Kyle Shanahan. But they learned in the league. They 336 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: learned in the NFL, seeing guys handle situations of contract, disputes, 337 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: of holdouts, of fights at practice. It's just so much 338 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: different than you find guys. If you're late, I don't care. 339 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna yell at you. I'm just gonna doc 340 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: you fifty grand right, And that's just these coaches don't 341 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: There's certain things you don't get caught up with. Clearly, 342 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: he's had a couple of missteps. I think it's gonna 343 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: be a little think of the guys he's going against Colin, 344 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: your guy Ballard and Frank How long have those two 345 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: guys been in the NFL. Mike Rabel and John Robinson. 346 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Vrabel has been in the NFL for 347 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: two decades, right, John Robinson worked for Belichick. Those are 348 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: the guys in his vision, let alone all the other 349 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: teams you have to play outside of your division. Now, 350 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: he's a great individual coach, but he's not an ex's 351 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: nose guy, right. He depends on coordinators. Their talents is 352 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: not going to be as good as other teams in 353 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: their division, right, and they're depending on a young coach. 354 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: I think the learning curve is going to be for 355 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: a guy that's very high stress, right, I mean it 356 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: could be. Really he's gonna look what the extra game? 357 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, is it crazy to think that they could 358 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: lose twelve games at wins the last I mean, has 359 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: he lost twelve games in two decades? Yeah? I predicted 360 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: six and eleven. You know, it's a weird. I made 361 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: my AFC and NFC predictions this week, and I have 362 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: I always say the constitution has been amended twenty five 363 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: to twenty six times, so I get two amendments before 364 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: the season starts. My takeaway is they'll win games because 365 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: Tennessee's overvalued and Houston is a tire fire. You know, 366 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: I kind of when I made my predictions, I said, 367 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: that's the worst division in football. You know, there's this 368 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: perception that the NFC East is the worst division in ball. 369 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: But Washington has a super Bowl coach and a tremendous defense. 370 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: The Giants defensive personnel John is excellent, The Cowboys offensive 371 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: personnel is excellent. I think the culture a very good 372 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: football team. You can make arguments that Jacksonville and Houston 373 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: aren't good on either side of the ball, bad and Tennessee, 374 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: and I actually think Tennessee losing Arthur Smith. I think 375 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: Tannehill pulls back. I don't think he's the same quarterback. 376 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: So to me, the worst division in football is AFC South. 377 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: It's actually why I think you know the Colts will 378 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: end up getting a very high seat in the AFC 379 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: because I think they're just going to run through the organization, 380 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of going into predictions. The other thing, 381 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: I'll throw this out to you because of your Bay 382 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: Area knowledge. I had the Raiders at seven and ten, 383 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: and there there was two sticking points for me. One, 384 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: I think they have for the last three years reached 385 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: in the draft. I don't think they're very good at it. Secondly, 386 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: I think their offensive line now is becoming more dependent 387 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: on Richie Incognito in his late thirties. Trent Brown is gone, 388 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: Gabe Jackson's gone. And the other thing is, I think 389 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: it's not a line of bullshit, but I think I 390 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: think Gruden's kind of highly energized, highly optimistic worldview. I 391 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: think some players are going to start turning him out, 392 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: tuning him out where do you see the Raiders this year? Yeah, 393 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: I think the AFC is loaded first and foremost. You know, 394 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: it took eleven wins to get in the playoffs last year. 395 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: The Raiders, who actually at one point in time, I 396 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: think we're six and three and it looked like they 397 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: had a chance. They missed the playoffs last year by 398 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: three games three. That's a large margin. And they have 399 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: the Chiefs in their division, which they actually played pretty well, 400 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: but I mean the Chiefs are way better. And then 401 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: if the Chargers coach is just solid, there's more talent there. Yeah. 402 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: I also think, like you said, they could take a 403 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: little bit of step back on offense because their offensive 404 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: line and their defense they're drafting there. Mike Maynock, we 405 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: followed his career for a decade plus or whatever on 406 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: NFL Network, and he always had these He had Khalil 407 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: Mack over Clowney. It was like always like football guys 408 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: swore by him. Yeah, and then he gets with Gruden 409 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: and now he's taken. If he would have had in 410 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: his ranking some of the guys he took, it would 411 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: have been the biggest story for you guys like me 412 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: and you in March, right, we've been talking about what 413 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: this doesn't make any sense. He has this player and 414 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: then it's Gruden. I mean, that's what happens when you 415 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: give a guy one hundred million dollars. He's a terrible 416 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: personnel guy. I think it's proven. He's pretty good on offense, 417 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: he knows nothing about defense. He took a decade away. 418 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: His hand pick guy had a fire mid season last year. 419 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: He brings in Gus Bradley. So now they're pivoting on 420 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: players that they already had invested in the last several years, 421 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: who weren't that good anyway, But you've invested high picks 422 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: in these guys. So they're kind of spenning in neutral. 423 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: When the AFC Cleveland got their act together, now Baltimore's 424 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: a powerhouse. The Chargers might have a star quarterback, the 425 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: culture rolling right. The AFC East could be really good. 426 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: The Bills are good, the Dolphins are good. If the 427 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: Patriots just kind of gets solid, it's just going to 428 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: be very, very difficult for them, and they do. The 429 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: crazy part is if we were like, wow, they just 430 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: haven't figured out the quarterback, their quarterback has actually been 431 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: pretty solid. Yeah, you know, who can't when you have 432 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: a solid quarterback. If your coach is making ten million dollars, 433 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: you should be. If they miss the playoffs, you're four 434 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: miss I mean that's pretty nuts. John, it's been you 435 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: nailed it. I mean you said you don't take that 436 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: long away and come back in an industry like this, 437 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: and it clearly yeah, it can't be done. I mean 438 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: the two industries that we talk about a lot, technology 439 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: and the NFL. I think they're really hard industries to 440 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: leave and then for ten years and come back. They're 441 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: very fluid, fast changing, often pivoting industries. And you know 442 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: something else about Gruden And I like John, but you 443 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: know Chris Ballard. I'm a friend of Chris Ballard and 444 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Tom Talsco. The Chargers jam and the Colts jam, and 445 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: they both have the same personality. They're they're stoic, they're 446 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: very bottom line. They're not emotional. I think when you 447 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: get into personnel, John, and you're a former NFL scout, 448 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: you really there is value and not being highly emotional. 449 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: You cannot fall in love with players. You can fall 450 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: in love with traits, you can't fall in love with players. 451 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: John falls in love with players, well then falls out 452 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: of love right really fast. And I think that the 453 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: way you describe those two guys. And I know Andy 454 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: has Veach now, but Andy's a lot like that too, 455 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: and I think Veach has kind of taken on that 456 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: personality with the Chiefs. They are that, you know, if 457 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: the guy's not working out, they'll pivot, but they don't 458 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: get tied to a guy that they have to have. 459 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: They can move or Gruden, I have to have this guy, well, John, 460 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: instead of taking him at seventeen, you can get this 461 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: guy in the middle of the second round. To me, 462 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: the draft is one big market place. It's not just 463 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: knowing like how good the player is. You have to 464 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: know what his price is going to be. You know, 465 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: you wouldn't pay five million dollars for a million dollar home. 466 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: And that's where the best general managers know. The Ballards, 467 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: the Veaches, the John Schneiders know that they can trade 468 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: back and get a guy. That's why everyone freaks out. 469 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: It's not that these guys are terrible players, but you 470 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: didn't need to take them there. You could have taken 471 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: them two rounds later and taken another guy and still 472 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: got the player. And then if that guy doesn't become good, 473 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: you're kicking yourself, and it's happened to them now countless times. 474 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: The guys they pass on because of the guy they 475 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: have to have, because of course, John, I gotta have 476 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: this guy, and then two years later when he can't play, 477 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: he's freaking out and firing people. Yeah, I want to 478 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: talk to you about This is not going to get 479 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: a lot of headlines, but I thought it was interesting. 480 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: I think both you and I like Sam Donald, and 481 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: I think Carolina is still in a rebuilding mode defensively, 482 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: but I think they're pretty special offensively. I think between 483 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey and draft pick Cuba Hubbard, those are dynamic, 484 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: big playbacks. DJ Morris sensational, Robbie Anderson's an over the 485 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: top guy that Donald has success within New York. I 486 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: thought it was very interesting and I want you to 487 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: take me through this. They drafted last names Christensen, a 488 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: left tackle a lot of BYU. He was a first 489 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: team All American. So they have solved their left tackle 490 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: issue and they're not paying Donald much. Taylor Moten, a 491 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: right tackle, right tackle, signed an extension seventy two million, 492 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: forty three large guaranteed. I kind of have a theory 493 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: that Matt rule is going to pay his offensive players 494 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: and is going to draft his defensive guys and remain 495 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: young because his expertise is an offense. Your thoughts, that's 496 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: actually not I hadn't even thought about his team building philosophy. 497 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: But they've drafted defensive players high in the first round 498 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, the Auburn deef tackle and 499 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: this year the corner. You know, listen, I think Sam 500 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: Darnold has a lot of talent. I think he has 501 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: a lot of ability, and the Jets were a dumpster 502 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: fire the last couple of years since he was there. 503 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: Now he's not coming into a team. I know, rule 504 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: makes a lot of money and he's highly thought of, 505 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: but last year didn't go that well for them. Granted 506 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: he was taken over a team that he also was 507 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: a young coordinator that just like three years ago, was 508 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 1: a quality control guy in the NFL. Then he went 509 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: to LSU. Clearly he knew what he was doing right, 510 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: learned from Sean Payton. But they had potentially historic roster 511 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: on offense and he was awesome with it. And we'll 512 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: just see. Now he's the coordinator with another guy. What 513 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: if he's not good going I'm rooting for Joe Brady. 514 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 1: He was a cool story. But what if Joe Brady. 515 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: We see this forevery McVeagh and Kyle there are offensive 516 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: coordinators that can't cut it. As an offensive coordinator, He's 517 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: gonna be very like his success as we saw Adam 518 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: Gates was a problem for him. His success is very 519 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: tied to Joe Brady. So if Joe Brady's good, they're 520 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: gonna be good because, like you said, speed at wide receiver, Yes, 521 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: McCaffrey's a star. As long as he's healthy. And their 522 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: offensive line, which you know you invest heavily as you should, 523 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: that it's an opportunity for Sam to play well. But 524 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: there's more like to Sam that just freelancing, which is 525 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: something he's good at. He's played within the offense, and 526 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: that's going to come down with Joe who actually had 527 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: a lot of success obviously with Joe Burrow, who I 528 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: think has some similar physical traits to Sam right athletically 529 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: can move and make plays on the run and can 530 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: scramble behind the line of scrimmage to throw something I 531 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: think Sam's really good at. So he's gonna need Joe 532 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Brady to just be good because I think any young 533 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: quarter Troy Aikman. I listened to him with this with 534 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: Peter Schreeger and those guys, it's your coordinator as a 535 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: young quarterback makes or breaks you. It's funny because Taylor 536 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: Molten was the highest rated on PFF offensive lineman for 537 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: Carolina and right before the franchise tag they paid him up. 538 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: You know, John as quarterback has become more valuable in 539 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: this league. It's also making offensive lineman a shit ton 540 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, a right tackle gets forty three million guaranteed. 541 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: That's that's an amazing number to me. Now, Taylor Moulton's 542 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: a good off He's a good offensive line not great. 543 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably a top ten right tackle. But 544 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: I saw that and I thought, wow, well because a 545 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the freaks line up on 546 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: that side right. And Howard Mudd told me, I remember 547 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: he was We hired him when I was in Philadelphia, 548 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: and he obviously coached all those years with Peyton Manning 549 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: the offensive line coach with those Holts teams, and I'm like, 550 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: this guy is left tackle feet and he's like, what 551 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: does that even means? Like we got Dwight, we got 552 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney. On one side, and Robert mathis on the 553 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: other side. And now if you watch a lot of 554 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: these games, the Bossa Brothers, Khalil Mack, you know Von 555 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: Miller Forever. They put that guy a lot of times 556 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: over the right tackle. And when you have a good 557 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: right tackle Lane Johnson, Jeff Schwartz, brother Mitchell Forever, you know, 558 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: you feel pretty good about it. But when you have 559 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: a questionable one, they'll they'll eat you alive. So I yeah, 560 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to have a right 561 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: I think you have to have good guards. I mean 562 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: the pass rushing ability from guys inside. I mean, look 563 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: at the Jets this year. They went up and they 564 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: traded for a guy who's gonna play guard right in 565 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: the first round, because you need good guards. I mean, 566 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: who's gonna block Aaron Donald, Who's gonna block Fletcher Cox, 567 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: Who's gonna block the Forrest Buckner. They're probably when I 568 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: was in the league, I mean less than a decade ago, 569 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: there weren't that many great interior pass rushers. Now there 570 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: are all sorts of exter external pass rushers, and there 571 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: was a handful. Like probably every other week, you're facing 572 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: a guy that could be a Pro Bowl guy. Lining 573 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: up over a garter center and he is six four 574 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: three twenty by the way, before we go, it's getting 575 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: talked about a lot, Jordan Love, what do you hear? 576 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think last year was a disaster, truly 577 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: over his head, you know, which we know. I mean, 578 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 1: he couldn't beat out the backup quarterback, which not that 579 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: under you know. I guess crazy to think, right, no COVID, 580 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: no off season gets thrown in in training camp. They're 581 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: a team shooting for the Super Bowl that they don't 582 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: even have time to develop them. This year, I think 583 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: it went pretty well, granted it's the off season. I 584 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: went to a Niner practice. I think these practices are 585 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: an all time kind of joke. I mean, Kyle Shanahan's 586 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: practice lasted like an hour. You know. I remember when 587 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: I first got to the NFL and Ota lasted two 588 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: and a half and it was kind of a grind. 589 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: Now you could say that that was probably kind of dumb. 590 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: So it's it's really it's hard to gauge much in 591 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: my opinion from these practises, right. I mean, Jordan Love 592 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: has a good arm, so if you just watch him throw, 593 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: if you're a medium, you're gonna be like, oh, that 594 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: looks really good. But as a quarterback, and I saw 595 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: this with Trey Lance when I went to the Niner practice, 596 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: how can I have an opinion beside your size and 597 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: your arm strength, Like, I don't know what you look 598 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: like in the pocket. There's no defensive lineman running, and 599 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: if they do, they stop after two steps, right, and 600 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: you may scramble, but would that have been a sack? 601 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: To me, you really can't take anything away until you 602 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: get the pads on. And really, those preseason games for 603 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: a young quarterback, I think we'll know watching a couple 604 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: of preseason games with Jordan Love and a lot of 605 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: all these young quarterbacks that were drafted too, Like, are 606 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: they kind of scared because there's a lot going on, 607 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: You're learning this new offense. You've got faster guys, You've 608 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: got to get rid of the ball faster. But to me, 609 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can really have a true opinion. 610 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: Even if you ask La Floor, he's like, yeah, I 611 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: think I look pretty good, but I mean we won't 612 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: know till the bullets are flying right now. If he does, 613 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: then I think the countdowns on, you know, if he 614 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: looks really good in training camp next year. Maybe they 615 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: just go on that transition to go with him and 616 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: Aaron goes bye bye, all right, Buddy, John Middlecoff three 617 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: and out podcast news on John very soon on the Volume. 618 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: Good seeing you, ma man. Enjoy the Open. 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