WEBVTT - Why Americans Can't Trust Their Institutions Anymore | A Conversation with Terry Moran

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<v Speaker 1>It is a real pleasure to be joined by somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I've known for a long time that I have a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal of admiration for. We live in an era

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<v Speaker 1>where there has been a profound and I mean profound

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<v Speaker 1>collapse of trust between the American people and institutions, and

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<v Speaker 1>that crisis of character is not something that ever caught

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<v Speaker 1>up to the person I'm real privileged to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to be with this afternoon. That's Terry Moran, journalist, ABC newsman.

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<v Speaker 1>When those words meant something and there were inviolate standards,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about some of that today. I've worked

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<v Speaker 1>with Terry over my political career. I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>where Terry's politics ever ever worked. You could hold a

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<v Speaker 1>gun to my head. Didn't know. He was an objective, fair,

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<v Speaker 1>straight shooting reporter. It's the work privileged to have him

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<v Speaker 1>with us. You can find Terry on his sub stack

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<v Speaker 1>type in Terry Moran. It's growing fast. It's a great, great,

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<v Speaker 1>great read, and it's good to see Terry out there. Terry,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to ask you today that there will

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<v Speaker 1>be a large, large cohort of this audience that remembers

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Jennings. Take us inside the room to the best

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<v Speaker 1>of your ability, imagining Peter Jennings was still with us today.

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<v Speaker 1>And you you you watched what unfolded on television with

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<v Speaker 1>the President of the United States flanked by the Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>General of the United States, by the by the Defense

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of the United States, and you have to get

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<v Speaker 1>ready for an evening newscast that that's going to try

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<v Speaker 1>to explicate this to the to the American people. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're back any day. There are serious people

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<v Speaker 1>sitting around the table to take their obligations and their

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<v Speaker 1>duty very very very seriously. And and and I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>take us into the room imagining Peter Jennings is just

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<v Speaker 1>walking into the room as the managing director of World

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<v Speaker 1>News World News tonight. You guys got to get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the broadcast after watching that what what what did

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<v Speaker 1>we see today? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>That is such a great invitation because I love Peter Jennings.

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<v Speaker 2>He was kind of he was a mentor to me

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<v Speaker 2>in many ways, as he was to many people. An

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<v Speaker 2>interesting man, a curious man. And the thing that he

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<v Speaker 2>brought to the coverage Steve day after day and he

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<v Speaker 2>got in trouble for it, good trouble, as they say

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<v Speaker 2>was values if he felt something was wrong, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>stand up and write an editorial about it, but he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to tell the truth about what he saw. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a very good So I was white rookie.

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<v Speaker 2>White House corresponded. When George W. Bush came into office,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we did the nine to eleven happened,

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<v Speaker 2>the response to the country, and then the administration started

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<v Speaker 2>planning an invasion of Iraq on the basis of weapons

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<v Speaker 2>of mass destruction. I talked to people all across the

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<v Speaker 2>government and outside of our government and other governments, people

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<v Speaker 2>in the Israeli government, people in the British government and

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence that people at the UN, former weapons inspectors.

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<v Speaker 1>All kinds of people on the hill. There were only

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<v Speaker 1>two people.

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<v Speaker 2>Who said, not Saddam jose and does not have any

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<v Speaker 2>weapons of mass destruction. One was that guy Scott Ritter,

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<v Speaker 2>who is the He was a weapons inspector, kind of compromised.

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<v Speaker 2>He was cozying up to Saddam and Tarikazi's It was

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<v Speaker 2>a little of the foreigners.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little weird. But the other one was Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>Jennings, and I remember I got out of having an

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<v Speaker 2>editorial meeting with them, and I'd gotten out of a

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<v Speaker 2>briefing that the White House was giving and I and

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<v Speaker 2>Peter said, you know, tera Ed, I'm looking at these

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<v Speaker 2>scientists who are coming out. He'd lived in the Middle

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<v Speaker 2>East eleven years, covered the region extensively and had a

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<v Speaker 2>feel for it, right. I don't think they have it

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<v Speaker 2>that he has any webs the best distrection, I said, Peter,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the White House. I just talked to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of these a rice. I just you know, I know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm talking about. I'm the reporter here. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a lesson and one that I a burden that I carry.

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<v Speaker 1>In some ways. I could have done a better job.

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<v Speaker 2>I understood diplomacy in some ways, and I kept challenging

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<v Speaker 2>Bush on why are you abandon in our allies? Why

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<v Speaker 2>are you going it alone? You know, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>major enterprise. But I didn't have an experience in the

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<v Speaker 2>classified intelligence kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was Peter's feel for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he wasn't afraid to say it, and he made

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<v Speaker 2>my pieces better than they would have been by injecting

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<v Speaker 2>that that understanding he had, being unafraid in front of

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<v Speaker 2>seventy percent of the country was in favor of that invasions.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying Peter was in favor of it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>He just had a sense that truth mattered and that

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<v Speaker 2>you had to bring your own understanding based on your

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<v Speaker 2>reporting and on your values. That tone, that language is

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<v Speaker 2>gone today. The network news, you know, corporate news, legacy news,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it. They they're afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of language today. They don't use it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>become more simplified. There are hardly any verbs anymore. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>always saying today the president talking about, well, it's nighttime.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite example of that is when Elizabeth Taylor died,

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<v Speaker 2>the headline was tonight Elizabeth Taylor died.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, she did that already.

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<v Speaker 2>So the language has been dumbed down, which is for urgency, urgency,

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<v Speaker 2>the terror of the past tense I call it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I think the other thing that happened is that.

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<v Speaker 2>The retreat from values try to try to try to

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<v Speaker 2>tell the story one side the other side, and all

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<v Speaker 2>that without without any sense of the actual truthful value

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<v Speaker 2>values that are at stake. And I think that's partly

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<v Speaker 2>the influence of the corporation that doesn't want to rock

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<v Speaker 2>the boat, and I'm just talking about I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about anything internal. I'm talking about obviously what we can

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<v Speaker 2>all witness, and my understanding in general is from my experience,

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<v Speaker 2>the corporation certainly doesn't want that, and it also is

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<v Speaker 2>a moment that is too big for that model. My

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<v Speaker 2>friends and colleagues, whom I respect tremendously, they still do

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<v Speaker 2>great work.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at ABC News every day. I got no

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<v Speaker 1>hard feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>Genuinely, it's their business, it's their see how they can

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<v Speaker 2>do what they want.

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<v Speaker 1>I crossed the line.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't like whatever, But they aren't meeting the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>They're one of our many institutions that are failing to

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<v Speaker 2>tell the truth to themselves in the first instance, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they are behind closed doors about what is happening,

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<v Speaker 2>what is clearly happening in our country, and that model,

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<v Speaker 2>which is imposed to some extent by corporate interests, can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell the truth as in full as it is to

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<v Speaker 2>the American people. And I think that's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why, one of the many reasons why that's a

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<v Speaker 2>very difficult business to being. Right now, what's happened today?

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<v Speaker 1>What did you witness Trump do today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this was the theater of authoritarianism and the reality

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Right, this is the kind of thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you'd see in South America in the nineteen fifties, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's the Orbon playbook, the Polish playbook. This

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<v Speaker 2>is put troops on the streets, even if they aren't

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<v Speaker 2>really needed. He did that in La. You know, there

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<v Speaker 2>ryots out of control of La. In LA they kept

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<v Speaker 2>showing the same one car burning. The police in La

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty good, they were on top of it. There

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<v Speaker 2>were protesters, legit peaceful, some getting out of control. No

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<v Speaker 2>sign that the local authorities were unable to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But he wanted the troops on the street. He wanted

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<v Speaker 2>you to feel that. And I'm talking to friends around

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<v Speaker 2>here who live in DC. I live out in Frederick, Maryland,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wants them to feel it. He wants people

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<v Speaker 2>to feel the exercise of his domination on their streets

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<v Speaker 2>and on the streets of somebody else's city. So you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to, you know, you don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>two out of the lane that you're supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>in in your own city.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't think that's not working. It is working.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in a foreign correspondent for five years. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was in London one night waiting for the evening

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<v Speaker 2>news to Peter Jennings News, although he was gone by then,

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<v Speaker 2>which comes out at twelve thirty in the morning in London.

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<v Speaker 2>So there with my producer from Poland to mcroski, great guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was in there were in the throes of

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<v Speaker 2>that government in Poland, the Law and Justice Party, which

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<v Speaker 2>did something very similar that from what we're enduring now,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were just stripped the judiciary of authority, that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. And I said to Toemik, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what's it like to live there? Just what's it like

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<v Speaker 2>for people are in agreement with the government. And he

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<v Speaker 2>said something that has come back to me a lot

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<v Speaker 2>these days. He said, your life gets smaller. You try

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<v Speaker 2>not to look around, you try not to stand up,

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<v Speaker 2>your life gets smaller. That's what Trump wants. What we

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<v Speaker 2>saw today was a performance of authority backed up now

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<v Speaker 2>by presidential powers that nobody's going to stop him from using,

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<v Speaker 2>not Congress, not the courts, in order to dominate dominate opposition.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also on an issue. You know that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ordinary Americans are only glancing at the news,

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<v Speaker 2>you know a little bit every day. He say, well, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess DC's full of crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Go get him. He's not stupid. You lost your job

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<v Speaker 1>at ABC News for offering an assessment about Steven Miller,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were gone within within forty eight hours. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have been really looking forward to you talking to

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<v Speaker 1>you about it, particularly with the with the passage of

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<v Speaker 1>of some time right out of the out of the

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<v Speaker 1>moment where I think you can objectively analyze some some

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<v Speaker 1>of this a little bit better. Do you?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember exactly what you said about them? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean not word for word, but I remember writing. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I was a sound mind and body, so I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly remember writing it. And I remember that I thought

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<v Speaker 2>before I said that, I thought this is pretty hot,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is tough. But I looked at it

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<v Speaker 2>before I sent it, and I thought that's a description.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew people would not like it within and without

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<v Speaker 2>ABC News, but I thought, I'm describing something, and I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that was describing it accurately and fairly. I do

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<v Speaker 2>remember I said I called him a world class hater,

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<v Speaker 2>which he is. I've been thinking about it all day

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<v Speaker 2>that day, something about the man in which his public

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<v Speaker 2>persona was just bludgeoning the body politic every day almost

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<v Speaker 2>with with lies and kind of spitting venom, and and

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<v Speaker 2>it was it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask, Let me ask this question, right. Would

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<v Speaker 1>would there have been an objection if you described David

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<v Speaker 1>Duke as a world class hater? That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably I might have had a minor reprimand I would

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<v Speaker 2>not love my job, but I might have had a reprimand.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there such a thing as a world class hater?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that that's a fair description, that there

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<v Speaker 1>are people that, for whatever reason, burn with a deep

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<v Speaker 1>hatred that just objectively, those those human beings have existed

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<v Speaker 1>over the over the course of history. Sure. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm as a reporter.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at the way Stephen Miller addresses the public,

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<v Speaker 2>the way he fills the airwaves with lies and with

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<v Speaker 2>this intense almost almost desire to to enrage and to humiliate.

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<v Speaker 1>He almost spits out his words. I mean, how would

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<v Speaker 1>you describe that? That's hatred? Hi Trump too, Morgan. I

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<v Speaker 1>think about your description and the consequence of it through

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<v Speaker 1>a very singular appraisal. There's only there's only one person

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<v Speaker 1>I think about, and in the moment that happened, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a man named abner Less, and abner Less was

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<v Speaker 1>a German Jew who became an Israeli police captain, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was the singular person who interrogated at Off Hikman,

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<v Speaker 1>which he did for two hundred and seventy five hours,

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<v Speaker 1>and he never talked about it. Who lied to his

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<v Speaker 1>bosses about his family because he wanted the shot to

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<v Speaker 1>interrogate him and knew he was up for it and

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't get it if his bosses in Israel knew that

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<v Speaker 1>he was a that he was in fact a survivor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and had lost lost his family. So however, however,

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<v Speaker 1>he obscured that he did. And he's asked about the

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<v Speaker 1>experience in nineteen eighty once, so twenty years later, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, did you have any takeaways from that? And

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<v Speaker 1>he says absolutely, he gave me my full faith in

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<v Speaker 1>democracy because there are Adolf Kamans everywhere. They're all around us.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're harmless in a democracy, but they but they

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<v Speaker 1>but they turned deadly in an instant and a dictatorship.

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<v Speaker 1>And what Stephen or is is a is a little Aikman.

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<v Speaker 1>And he would have been understood as a little iikeman

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<v Speaker 1>contemporaneous to when that term was familiarized and popularized in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the nineteen sixties. And so if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you eradicate objectively right as a news organization s right,

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to describe someone accurate, precisely, surgically, then what

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<v Speaker 1>you do is remove at a foundational level the keys

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<v Speaker 1>to understanding someone like a Reinhart Heidrich, someone like a

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Goebbels. And you really censor historically by removing from

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<v Speaker 1>consideration the role that this hatred had, any events that

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<v Speaker 1>transpired when the personality disorder came into contact with the

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<v Speaker 1>men's political power. And so if you can objectively look at,

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<v Speaker 1>say Pope Francis, and say that this is a person

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<v Speaker 1>who advocated for love in the world, and also appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>that there are doctrinal differences in a two thousand year

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<v Speaker 1>old church if you're covering it through that praism, But objectively,

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<v Speaker 1>what did he stand for? He stood for these values?

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<v Speaker 1>And are there antithetical values to that? And I would

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<v Speaker 1>argue that there are, and are they represented right by vices?

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<v Speaker 1>And among those vices, are there such things as bigotry?

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<v Speaker 1>Are there such things as hatred? Are there such things

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<v Speaker 1>is cruelty, and there are all of those things, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are really the singular lessons of the twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 1>And to watch you lose a pristine journalism career for

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<v Speaker 1>the precise description of such things six months in to

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<v Speaker 1>an autocratic travesty was quite a jar and moment in

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. But the one thing that no one

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<v Speaker 1>will ever be able to say about you is that

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<v Speaker 1>you lost your integrity with so many others along the

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<v Speaker 1>road over these many years. So good for you, yeah, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you on many counts. There.

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<v Speaker 2>First, you helped me, help me understand sort of why

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<v Speaker 2>I did it. I can tell you the feelings, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think the language was necessary to accurately describe what

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<v Speaker 2>was in front of me. And the way you just

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<v Speaker 2>put it is really helpful to understand that we must

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<v Speaker 2>use the language of values in covering the world, because

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<v Speaker 2>the world is made up of that of right and wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>of love and hate. And if you can't, as a

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<v Speaker 2>journalist describe and perceive those values at work, good and evil,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can't. You are really doing your job. You're

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<v Speaker 2>collecting a paycheck, and it was a pretty good one.

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<v Speaker 2>But you are really doing your job, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>other I also thank you for the compliment. It's people

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes come up to me now and say, oh, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for your courage. I'm like, well, I just got fired.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but I do understand sort of what they said.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife, my dear wife, Johanna, we are ten years

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<v Speaker 2>married now, it's way closer to twenty years together, but

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<v Speaker 2>ten years married. And she said, the night we told

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<v Speaker 2>the kids I got three kids, she said, often when

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<v Speaker 2>people get fired.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because of something shameful that they did.

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<v Speaker 2>And Daddy got fired for telling the truth, and which

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<v Speaker 2>met a great deal to me that she said that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the kids heard it, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons that I am as upbeat.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I have a very daunting personal challenge ahead of me,

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<v Speaker 2>and God love some tips from you as how how

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<v Speaker 2>you would more experience in these new media spaces which

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<v Speaker 2>are exciting, which definitely are the media of tomorrow, that

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<v Speaker 2>news communities rather than news networks corporate networks. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm upbeat about it because I don't think I did

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<v Speaker 2>anything wrong. And as I said, I know I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>bitter about it's their companies, their policies.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Who I am and I remain that way and fair

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<v Speaker 2>forward that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's what I'm gonna do. When when you

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at what happened today, what would I

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<v Speaker 1>see is is a I see a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing I see is you described it perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>as the is the autocratic fear. And if you're of

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<v Speaker 1>a certain age and you grew up in in the

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<v Speaker 1>place that I grew up with, which northern New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>with with Donald Trump in the in the frontal lobe, right,

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<v Speaker 1>since since I was since I was nine years old,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knows that person. I was talking about this on

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast earlier that if you say, hey, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the beach, they're like, yeah, not made sharks, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Or like, yeah, I'm going on a vacation in Montana,

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, yeah, I won't go there. Bears right, that

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<v Speaker 1>they have some right fear right that's completely unnatural, And

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<v Speaker 1>you can go back forty years. Donald Trump's fear right,

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<v Speaker 1>that his boogeyman, right is the Central Park five right,

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<v Speaker 1>he is afraid of black teenagers. Right to him, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the lion amidst the savannah grasses. Right, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the great predator in America. And you can look back

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<v Speaker 1>forty years to his call for the death penalty of

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<v Speaker 1>the Central Park five. All the racial animis, all the

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<v Speaker 1>racial bigotry, never missed an opportunity right to pile on

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<v Speaker 1>to make a declaration to use force. And so you

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<v Speaker 1>have this spectacle today like this right, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how you detach these two things. Is that the

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<v Speaker 1>executive action right, which is that we must assert these

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<v Speaker 1>powers now? And these powers and you can tell me

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<v Speaker 1>if you think I'm overstating it, but I but I

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<v Speaker 1>think functionally he rescinded home ruled today, right, which he

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<v Speaker 1>has he has the authority to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, he's going to have to have the prostrate Congress

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<v Speaker 2>pass the law.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, right, where that where that path? Right? And

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<v Speaker 1>so he has taken power from a majority black city,

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<v Speaker 1>neoner their elected officials, really stripped them as a fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>right of of citizenship. Has has pointed you're and stigmatized

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<v Speaker 1>them as as criminals. Right, a city of a city

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<v Speaker 1>of criminals. He's cleaning up the slums. He's given license

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<v Speaker 1>to the federal agents to do whatever they want to

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<v Speaker 1>whomever they want, to beat anyone they want. He made

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<v Speaker 1>that clear, and all of the homeless people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be shipped away somewhere quote far away. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the that's the news conference, that's the announcement. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>the Attorney General who's covering up the Epstein situation and

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<v Speaker 1>will be a party to the partning of Gislaine Maxwell,

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<v Speaker 1>standing on his left. He's got the Defense Secretary standing

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<v Speaker 1>on his right, who's saying he's ready to deploy the

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<v Speaker 1>armed forces into all the American cities where there's where

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<v Speaker 1>there's where there's disorder and chaos. And it's some hours later,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't see really any type of what I

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<v Speaker 1>would assess as coherent response right from the from the

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<v Speaker 1>opposition party, right like at a at a at a

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<v Speaker 1>national at a national level. And so what what what what? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you account for the lacks of daisicalness, the

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<v Speaker 1>lack of urgency, the lack of ability to speak out

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<v Speaker 1>and denounce this in a way that connects with people

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<v Speaker 1>across the country. Why, like I saw someone who was

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<v Speaker 1>incoherent and deranged today, Why why does he have Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>on their back foot? Yeah, that is that is a

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<v Speaker 1>great question. Also, I'm glad you went there on the

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<v Speaker 1>question of race because.

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<v Speaker 2>Ause, you know, for a long time in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>my now long life, if you were a racist, you

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<v Speaker 2>were shamed to say so, right, And now they're all

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<v Speaker 2>out in public, they found each other online.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's pretty ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem now is if you want to call out

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<v Speaker 2>what is actually factually racism in front of you, you're

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to do it because you're just you're dragging up

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the boogeyman of race again. And I think you're absolutely

0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:28.880
<v Speaker 2>right here the way he talks about slums, this dirty city.

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<v Speaker 2>Get these guys out of here, get rough, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can hear the animus in there. As for the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 2>they lost their working class roots.

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<v Speaker 1>You know this better than I.

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<v Speaker 2>Right many how many of those leaders actually seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have a stake in these things and they're getting funded

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 2>by people who don't if I mean, that's too much, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>I think obviously there's some really great democratic emerging leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>from Jasmine Crockett to John ass Off. I think AOC

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:01.879
<v Speaker 2>remains a compelling figure, but the actual leadership seems still

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<v Speaker 2>stuck in the nineties almost in terms of their model

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 2>of rhetoric and how they view the issues and now

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of they're kind of trapped by being to

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<v Speaker 2>tether to the professional classes. You need some kind of

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 2>brawlers in there. You need people who didn't, you know,

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 2>go to the right college. They weren't, they weren't in

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the front row with their hand up getting the A

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<v Speaker 2>every time.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're right.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're right. They're right about things, and they know

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.439
<v Speaker 2>it and they live it. And you have some people

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>like that. But it is it is dismaying that the

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party seems unable to find that voice. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Corey Booker speaking for twenty five hours or whatever it was,

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember it. You know, it is a nice try,

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<v Speaker 2>but in order to do what, in order to do

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<v Speaker 2>what now, they don't have power and the Republicans aren't

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 2>going to give them power. But I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be something that I think this is the

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<v Speaker 2>set piece for a longer display of force in the cities,

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<v Speaker 2>and I expect that to come around the mid terms.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to get accustomed to seeing troops

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 2>on the streets of our cities. He'll cook up some

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<v Speaker 2>emergency around the election and there will be troops monitoring

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the election. I think that's the worst case scenario, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's out of out of the possibility. Democrats,

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<v Speaker 2>how are they going to stand up to that? When

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:32.959
<v Speaker 2>they march, They'll they'll get marked, They'll they'll be confronted

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 2>with another emergency order that will bring the authoritarian heal

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 2>down even harder on them. I think the model for

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>resistance for me right now is what we're seeing that's

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:49.719
<v Speaker 2>really changing hearts and minds on the immigration authoritarianism. Right

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 2>They're the ripping of children from school rooms and women

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>from their from their kids, out of their cars and

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 2>all the rest of it. And that's citizen journalism. And

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at my phone, So it's people doing that,

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:06.199
<v Speaker 2>confronting the authorities and putting it out instantly into the

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 2>world where it gets picked up. And you hear people

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 2>like Joe Rogan, You hear neighbors of mine. I live

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 2>in kind of a purple district who didn't really sign

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>up for that level of brutality.

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Dairy farmers.

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm open go to out and talk to dairy farmers

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 2>who certainly voted for Trump in big numbers but now

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 2>are without without workers. It is it is connecting with

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 2>people like that and more than anything standing up, not

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>in a protest necessarily.

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Protests are fine.

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.439
<v Speaker 2>They raise awareness, they forge solidarity, but at the end

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 2>of the day, they don't do much. You put pictures

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>out you we go to where the where the where

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>the troops are or whatever. We put our bodies out

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:51.400
<v Speaker 2>there with our own cameras and record what's happening.

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>There's a better chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Of mobilizing the great muddled middle of America, which is

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<v Speaker 2>still there. It's important to remember what we saw on

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 2>the Oval Office today is not really what most Americans

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 2>voted for. I'm convinced of that. You know, Trump is

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 2>underwater still because most Americans want what they've always wanted,

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 2>a pragmatic way of making life better, not a theater

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>of authoritarianism, not boots on the ground to terrorize black people.

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 2>They want problems fixed, and crime is a problem in

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 2>many places. I don't think democrats should understan under sell that.

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>But it's more affordability, and he's making that worse. And

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 2>there's openings for democrats I don't see him taking because

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't feel like they're connected to to normal people,

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>ordinary people as much as they used to be.

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe I'm wrong about that, but it feels like.

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 2>They're they're at one remove and like they're reading a

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>script as how to connect with you rather than connecting

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>with you. I mean, look, Gavin Newsom, who I talk to,

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, is I think on the page?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And is trying really hard to shed some of the

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>slick politic politician that he does so well and find

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 2>himself and find solidarity with other people.

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Is that gonna be enough? I don't know.

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I think there's some really good Democrats out there are

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>the in Congress, some of them, but not that many.

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>That's my own.

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>You you're much more astute political minds than I am.

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 2>What is wrong with the Democrats?

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But like the most obvious thing in

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the world to me is something we'd all talk about

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:33.479
<v Speaker 1>at all, which is Zurhamndami and Trump beat the same guys.

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Huh as well. Yeah, and you know, the American people

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 1>have made made a judgment and they're not You're not

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>seeing any elasticity in the numbers right with with the

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party, right, So at some level you're witnessing a

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.719
<v Speaker 1>game of chicken, right. And I have a I have

0:29:55.760 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>a republic I have a Republican friend in New York

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know he's he's like Zorhan, Right, He's like,

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm voting for his or He's like, he's like, you

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>give me the choice, right Andrew Cmo and Eric Adams,

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, I got Zorhan. He is into the

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking ground. He's like, I'm just sick of it. Right.

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>So he's like in a category of voters that the

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Democratic establishment place checking with, right, that they that they say, well,

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna abide in Eric Adams, You're gonna tolerate a Clomo. Right,

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna we're gonna let you you know, we're gonna

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>tell you that. Right. It's either you know these guys,

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 1>or there's gonna be a crisis. Right, democracy is gonna

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>be in trouble or this or whatever whatever. And people

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>are just sick of it, right, calling call him bullshit

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>out of it. And I and I think the Chuck

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Schumer thing is a is a big deal. Like you know,

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>you talked about kind of common sense. Right, you know

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you're in a crisis, You're in trouble. Right, we're in

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>a proverbial plane crash in the middle of the Alaskan bush. Right,

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>we got a we got to hike out of the wilderness,

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and we had to hike out of the wilderness. Right

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>on what planet is the guy at the front of

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the column, Chuck Schumer? Right? And I think that's a

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>huge issue for for the Democratic senators. And he's running

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>for reelection, you know, he's running for reelection as the

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>as the Senate, as the Senate leader, and there has

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to be fresh faces forward who can go out and

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I think talk about some of the some of the uh,

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>the federal comments. I mean, I think you know, I

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>just saw one of the comments there stop vilifying Democrats. Right,

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>there's a there is a culture a fan boy and fangirlism,

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>right where you have two reciprocal cults right where you know,

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>no half field will dare speak badly about a half

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 1>field to know McCoy about McCoy. And the problem with

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>it for Democrats, right is that they're the weaker party,

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>right in the weaker party never loses to the stronger party, right,

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>And so what what the Democratic Party has to become

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 1>is a strong party. And the way it becomes the

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>strong parties by being the American party against an non

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>American party. Right, that's the that's the identity that the

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party has to espouse is an American identity right,

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and to say that the American identity is open to

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>all people. We believe in a quality for all people right,

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and that whether you're a black, brown, white, whatever, is

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>an American right. We believe in a creed, and that

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>creed is that we're all created equally. And this is

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 1>what we have to be able to put into competition

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>against an idea that holds that Donald Trump is the law.

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump decides who's above the law, who's below the law,

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>who gets to make money, who doesn't get to make money,

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 1>who gets to have an opinion, who doesn't get to

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>have an opinion? And I would just say that any

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>time you see a person like the nutty pastor of

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Pete Hegseth go out and start doing CNN interviews, you

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>gotta think, like, why is now the time to start

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>surfacing right my belief that women should lose their right

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to vote, and that slavery was a good thing and

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the black people enjoyed it, and the white slave master

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>was benevolent and kind, and the patriarchy worked and so

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>on and so forth, and Churchill was the villain and

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Hitler was mis understood, and and and and so on

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and so forth. And you know, look, you know, all

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:43.200
<v Speaker 1>of these things are connected, and all of these things

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>are worrying, and all of these things demand people to

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>be really alert and to wake up, right. And you

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>know when when when people kind of reflexibly say, you know,

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>they say, this this institution that lost an election to

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, Right, that's how fucked up it is. Right,

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>it lost two elects to Donald Trump. I lost an election,

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>you know for a guy in a Barack Obama, right,

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:11.359
<v Speaker 1>big difference, right, But but you lose two elections to

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>to Donald Trump. And we we face a political position

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in the country now where Trump is growing more unpopular

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>by the day but more powerful by the hour. And

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>and and that has to be arrested. It has to

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 1>be challenged in the and John Kennedy spoke to this.

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>He said, you know, what is the purpose of a

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>political party if it's not to serve a national purpose?

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 1>The purpose of the Democratic Party can't be the vehicle

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 1>for the power of like Amy klobach Or and Chuck Schumer. Right.

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.919
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not trying to disparage him in any way

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>other than to say the purpose of the Democratic party

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 1>isn't a vehicle for individual and bitching. It must be

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the vehicle for the defense of the country against the

0:34:56.520 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>fascist cause. And and and that is the essential challenge

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>for Democrats right now to rise up, put the country

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 1>in an American identity for four square at the center

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>of the party's brand. And I think that'll work. But

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>they're not there yet.

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>They're not there by a long shot. And I think

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 2>you're exactly right. This is a this is a moment

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>where I kind of in your description of Schumer and Klobashar,

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 2>two things occurred to me. First, the next Democratic Party

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the people that rebel against this

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party. They got to take sure. Yeah, they have

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 2>to throw it. They have to like like mum, done

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.919
<v Speaker 2>right there. They're gonna have to overthrow the establishment. And

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the second thing is because that establishment, the way you

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 2>describe it, it reminds me of ABC News and of

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 2>the other network news media that I was part of

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 2>for so long. And in this way, that language, that

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 2>way of doing business doesn't work.

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 1>The times have changed.

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 2>You're not meeting the moment because you you aren't able

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 2>to given the the preconceptions that the idea, given how

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 2>you do business.

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 1>It's not going to work. It's not going to work.

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>The world has changed, change with it, and I think

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 2>that's what people want to see from the Democrats. I

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 2>do think they have a a great heritage and a

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 2>great message, the patriotic one that you just that you

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:22.240
<v Speaker 2>just outlined. The Democrats have, my entire life stood for

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 2>the people, all of the people, without embarrassment. And second,

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I think the other thing is that they have lying

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:35.320
<v Speaker 2>on the table there, you know, the populist economic message

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.720
<v Speaker 2>that I think people still want seen put into action.

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is cutting taxes for the wealthiest people in America,

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:46.320
<v Speaker 2>and he's cutting healthcare for the people who need it most.

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 2>If you can't win an election based on it, you

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 2>know what the matter is. And there's this incredible concentration

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 2>of wealth at the top, which everybody knows is a

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.760
<v Speaker 2>huge problem, and the Democrats have a solution on the table.

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 2>In some ways, it is what Elizabeth Warren calls the

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>ultra millionaire's tax.

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.240
<v Speaker 1>She's got to get with the era of Trump.

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>It's the filthy rich people tax, right, I mean, a

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>wealth tax might be complicated, might be unconstitutional. Well, one

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 2>hundred and some years ago we rose up as one

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>people when there was an illegitimate concentration of wealth crushing

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 2>the hopes of so many people, and passed the constitutional

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>modment together. And if you put that kind of thing

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>before the American people or policies in that direction, Bernie

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Sanders shows it. You know, Trump was more prey to

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Bernie Sanders exide from the socialist level label, than he

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.959
<v Speaker 2>was of anybody else because he he understands that's where

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 2>the votes are.

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>People want change.

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 2>They want change to make life better for them, to

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.320
<v Speaker 2>make the opportunities real.

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>And to bring the high and mighty down a bit.

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>This is America.

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.359
<v Speaker 2>We don't have some tech oligarchy. We shouldn't at any

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>rate who kind of pay to play. Look at the

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 2>deal and Vidia just made, you know, the distorting our

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 2>democracy with the United States, and people should be able

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:09.319
<v Speaker 2>to rise and not be blocked by people who have

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 2>illegitimate power that they're basically purchasing now from the federal government.

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's you know, that's the next Democratic Party.

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Whether they like it or not, they're going to find

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 2>people who do that and they're going to win.

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that a huge part of the future message

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>is about confronting power and taking it away from the

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>accumulation of some of the most powerful interests in American history.

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>And that means very specifically from the office of president.

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 1>It means re establishing the coequality of the congers, means

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>re establishing the checks and balances. It means putting a

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 1>check on the tech companies. But the accumulation of power

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>through big institutions, all of it starts, I think with

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>an embrace of fundamental ethics reform, campaign finance reform, and

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:23.760
<v Speaker 1>some big structural reforms that the Democratic Party should should

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:28.319
<v Speaker 1>embrace at a at a return to roots level, so

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>we can go out and talk about the type of

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 1>serfdom that too many people live under. Forty percent of

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the country is four hundred dollars cash available. And you know,

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>these are the people that are dealing with thirty percent

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 1>credit card rates. They like their life and opportunity is

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:53.839
<v Speaker 1>defined by an invisible algorithm, a credit score. Right. You know,

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>every every major bank is bailed out there in debt

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>up to their eyeballs. We have loaded the young people

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>up with debt. Their degrees are meaningless, so we have

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>not created the conditions of opportunity. And I say this

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the candidates all the time, you know, I talk about

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>you know that, you know, talk about a race to them.

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, when people call and I make the point,

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I say, have you ever had have you ever been

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>on a ladder? And and they and every every person

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I've ever asked that question says yes. And I said, well,

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>when you're climbing the ladder, what what direction are you looking?

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>And you know, they they they, you know, everyone pauses

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and they say up. And I go, well, when when

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.879
<v Speaker 1>when you stop climbing the ladder right? You know where

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 1>people start looking? They start they start looking down right,

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And and if they're if you're stuck on the middle

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>of that ladder and you're no longer looking up and

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you're looking down, will you become concerned about is someone

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to pull you down off that ladder right coming

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>up from behind you? And that is that is that

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 1>is fundamentally the story of American immigration is that when

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>we have declining opportunity, uh you have rising at any

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>immigration sentiment and the accumulation of a lot of different

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 1>factors have created the opportunities for the demogragory we've seen.

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>But when you look at the fact that ice is

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 1>the fifteenth largest military in the world. Now we got

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 1>mask guys running around the country. That that with the bonuses,

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 1>every whack job deputy sheriff and bad cop is gonna

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:43.839
<v Speaker 1>is going to wind up being a federal agent. Right,

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 1>They're going to be shed from their police forces. Right,

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 1>every loser and every police force is going to get

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 1>the pat on the back. It'd be like you make

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 1>a great ice agent talk, right, you know, that's just

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>human nature. Get them, get them off right the force

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:02.720
<v Speaker 1>and get these eyes. Get these guys over over there,

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:13.879
<v Speaker 1>and the and the if you had a bet on it,

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:18.839
<v Speaker 1>like the American people, right, they're they're going to tolerate it, right,

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the the you know, the mass guys in the militarized cities.

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Where does this? Where's that gut?

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's that's us? And uh, I don't

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 2>think we've changed. Yeah, I think there is a mass

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 2>movement like none I've seen in my lifetime. I don't

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 2>think there's been one in the country's history. Tens of

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 2>millions of Americans will follow this authoritarian personality.

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 1>To the ends of the earth. Uh.

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 2>And they get a kick out of it. The trolls

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>are delighted This isn't it. This is a government of

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>trolls with power to impose uh, their their hatreds, and

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:02.800
<v Speaker 2>their inadequacies on the country. But most people are still normal.

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.760
<v Speaker 2>I believe this truly the best kept secret in American life.

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Most people are still normal. They are not for cruelty.

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.439
<v Speaker 2>They don't get giddy and gleeful at some woman being

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 2>dragged away.

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 1>From her children. Nobody like nobody. We're decent people.

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Americans are still a middle of the road, middle class,

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 2>middle temperament people. We are not zealous, we are not ideologues.

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>We like what works. Still, they have been persuaded by

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 2>hucksterism and by the lack of an effective democratic response

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>that Trump is going to make things better pragmatically.

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.959
<v Speaker 1>Now his base, which is.

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Tens of millions strong, they'll follow him to his program

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of authoritarianism, no question about it.

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 1>But if it results in.

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Wrecking opportunity, in restagflation, in the kind of economic misery

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that that could well come because of what he's doing,

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and the weakening of America around the world.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Then they won't win.

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.719
<v Speaker 2>They won't win, and I don't think they win on

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>the national character either. We don't like to think of

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 2>ourselves as the bad guys. We don't we yes, we

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 2>fail at living up to our ideals, but they're still

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.240
<v Speaker 2>our ideals, and I think trashing them.

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 1>He makes a big point of kissing the flag and

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 1>all that. It's all bs.

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:32.240
<v Speaker 2>What is real is that we're decent people and as

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>his government makes us different in the eyes of the

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.279
<v Speaker 2>world and increasingly in the eyes of Americans.

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're going to win.

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 2>That's why I don't think he wants to face true

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>in fair elections, because it's not a majority.

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.800
<v Speaker 1>How much how much rope do you think he has?

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.719
<v Speaker 1>How much how much time right that do you that

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the did the American people indulge us? Well?

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 2>I saw that the price of some grocer's go to

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 2>go up forty percent under these tariffs because.

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 1>We get so much food for overseas. I think that'll

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 1>that'll do it. I think the inflation, the decline, the

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:12.240
<v Speaker 1>job numbers are terrible.

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I think the economy people people want, they want a

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.360
<v Speaker 2>better life, and he's giving them a worse one. They

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 2>aren't quite feeling it yet, and then they're going to

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 2>go around with this cartoon dime store fascism that that

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 2>is on display I think that everything will look differently

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 2>if he is seen as I believe he is, to

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 2>be incompetent when it comes to the economy.

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:37.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's.

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:44.319
<v Speaker 2>He's a businessman really only in a reality TV and

0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that is going to be his downfall. What

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 2>he's doing to the budget, what he's doing to the

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 2>to the economy, was doing the world economy, was doing

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.439
<v Speaker 2>the American reputation in the world. I mean, they're buying

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 2>a drop of bourbon in Canada, right that is you

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 2>see a the world, other nations making other arrangements.

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 1>I was in a lcbo in uh Toronto yesterday and

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:13.720
<v Speaker 1>there there is not a drop of fucking American liquor

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>in it, not a drop. They're angry.

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 2>They're angry, yes they are, and more than angry, they're

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:24.439
<v Speaker 2>doing something that will take a toll four years to come.

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 2>They're making different arrangements right now, after forty years, Trump

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>is drawing down the reservoir of goodwill and good trade

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 2>with the world that the world counted on. And so

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:39.400
<v Speaker 2>countries around the world embedded themselves with the American economy,

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:42.720
<v Speaker 2>understanding that there might be a little bit of change

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 2>of direction this way, and that way, but he's vandalizing

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 2>the entire system and it's damaging them to their core,

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 2>and they are not going to be so dependent on

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 2>the American condomy again. Brazil is now buying all its

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 2>oil and Chinese currency. Now they're trying to d dollar

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 2>their economy as much as they can. That's going to

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 2>be happening around the world. Canada even is deciding to

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 2>make closer trade arrangements with Europe than with the United States.

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>He's got a few years of that he made, you know,

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>not last that long, just given the actuarial tables. But

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 2>he's definitely these policies are going to make Americans poor

0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 2>and unhappier. And I know that because I covered Brexit.

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Brexit was the same kind of spasm of emotional vengeance

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:36.479
<v Speaker 2>wreaked upon those front row kids right that had taken

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:40.480
<v Speaker 2>over their government and rendered them, you know, irrelevant to

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 2>their own self governance in Britain, and they are making

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 2>themselves poorer and they are making themselves The food is

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 2>going to be worse because only the thing, the only

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.720
<v Speaker 2>reason that made British food better was joining the EU

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 2>and getting all that Spanish cheese and Italian ingredients without

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>tariffs without without any impediment. As a result, Britain is

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 2>feeling smaller in the world today and the regret, the

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:11.120
<v Speaker 2>regret in Britain about Brexit is huge, is huge, and

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 2>was pretty early on. I think we're going to have

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 2>much more regret when we see that people will not

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 2>want to engage in trade with US at the same

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 2>level for the foreseeable future, and that will make our

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:22.319
<v Speaker 2>lives poor.

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:29.359
<v Speaker 1>How do you process the stories that are accumulating at

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a frightful pace about human rights abuses by US government

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 1>personnel in these private prisons and these detention facilities, where

0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>through arrogance or stupidity, you have a group of people

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 1>who've decided apparently they can do whatever it is they

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>wish to do to other human beings without having to

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>worry about accountability, which is definitely not going to be

0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 1>the be the case. But when you read about uh

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 1>people drinking out of toilets, children sleeping on on concrete floors,

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:12.400
<v Speaker 1>why why is there? Why is what? What? How do

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you account for the lack of meaningful what I would

0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 1>describe as as as meaningful denunciation in the in the

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 1>in the public square at full volume. Is it that

0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the media has an allergy to to covering it vividly.

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Is it that elite institutions are intimidated? Is it that

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 1>there's a collapse of moral authority generally in civil society?

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:57.359
<v Speaker 1>What's the where where? How do you account for that?

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Or is it is it simply the case that the

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 1>issue isn't severe enough yet. Yeah, that's a good push

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:09.479
<v Speaker 1>that it's not. It's that it's not it's not hot

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>enough yet. Maybe I think it is.

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>And what I flashed to once again, Look, I had

0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a great career at ABC News. The people were there

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 2>doing good work as under difficult conditions as best they can.

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:26.919
<v Speaker 2>That said, they are failing there and across legacy media,

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 2>which still has such a big influence, it's hard to

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 2>get these stories right. Actually it's not that hard. You're

0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.200
<v Speaker 2>seeing people with cell phones getting them every day. So

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:40.319
<v Speaker 2>but getting into Alligator Alcatraz or getting to the site

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>in Pennsylvania that they're building, you know, I kind of

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:46.160
<v Speaker 2>this is when I missed the resources of a major

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 2>corporate news network. You should be down there getting arrested

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 2>right or whatever, for at least make a noise like

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>this is happening in your name. You might not know

0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:01.879
<v Speaker 2>about it, but there are these terrible conditions people coming out,

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:05.560
<v Speaker 2>talk to the lawyers, all the rest of it. And

0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:08.319
<v Speaker 2>I think you also need Congress. The institution is failing us.

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Even a little bit of oversight would help on that.

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that there's a reluctance. People have

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:18.440
<v Speaker 2>seen too much of it. Right, The news is always new,

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 2>and so I was looking for the next bright, shiny thing,

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and yet this is a huge story, and I believe

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:30.839
<v Speaker 2>we are failing to cover it, we all of us.

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 1>If I can get down there, I would.

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:37.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think that getting in trouble, getting

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 2>in good trouble might be necessary. And I think there's

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:43.279
<v Speaker 2>an allergy to that, right the lawyers. I can't tell

0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.800
<v Speaker 2>you any specifics, right because it's whatever, But though it

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 2>had over the course of my career, and I think

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 2>across the networks, the lawyers, the corporate lawyers, went from

0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:58.279
<v Speaker 2>defending journalism to make journalism much more difficult to do that.

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>The bottom line became, not get this story out as

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 2>best you can, but stop this story from hurting the corporation.

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And I absolutely am convinced that that is a general statement.

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:14.280
<v Speaker 2>As these corporations saw the disadvantages of owning news networks,

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:15.799
<v Speaker 2>and I do think at the end of the day,

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>they won't. Trump has made it very difficult for them.

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to, you know, heuse He's a tiny,

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.960
<v Speaker 2>tiny part at Disney. Did they want to have to

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 2>worry about some schmuck like me giving them a headache

0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:29.239
<v Speaker 2>With the president of the United States, they do not

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 2>want to worry about that.

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 1>So, you know, although I think what it might have

0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 1>been a.

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Better play for them was to stand up and say no,

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 2>you can't, and then they'd get a lot of good

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 2>publicity and all the rest of it. But their bottom

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:44.400
<v Speaker 2>line is what matters. So I don't think the lawyers

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.400
<v Speaker 2>are going to let you go get that story. I

0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know that as any kind of confidential information. But

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>my hunch is that the media is failing us. The

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>established media is failing to cover this story in a

0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 2>way that grabs the attention to the American people and

0:52:58.920 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>awakens their conscience.

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:02.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, if I was trying to do anything, maybe

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to do that too.

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's uh, that's that values based journalism we were

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:11.440
<v Speaker 2>talking about that is so difficult to do in this moment,

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and that I think that the corporate corporations that run

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 2>the legacy news media are reluctant to engage with They

0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 2>don't want them to language of values to be part

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 2>of the journalism.

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a it's a astonishing moment. It It truly is.

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:31.399
<v Speaker 1>UH as we watch all of this, as we watch

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>all of this unfold, when you look out at at Democrats,

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 1>who who do you see that you regard as that

0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>person has presidential temper, that that person is, that that

0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 1>person is is rigged for this moment in uh, in

0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the next that they that they're going to be able

0:53:58.520 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 1>to play at that level.

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's no question that Gavin Newsom wants it. And

0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:06.440
<v Speaker 2>that's that's a necessary thing to have. You got to

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 2>want the job. And as you know, that's you got

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:10.239
<v Speaker 2>to have the hunger in your belly does and I

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:13.480
<v Speaker 2>do see this shift in his you can almost see

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 2>it dawning on him. I need to be with the

0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:19.440
<v Speaker 2>people in this way, not the way I have been right.

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:22.320
<v Speaker 2>That kind of slick looks like he was born slick

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and he's trying to unslick himself. Can he I don't know,

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:30.400
<v Speaker 2>but he certainly is somebody who is reaching for the moment.

0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that that, you know, being governor of California,

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 2>is that Is that something that's going to appeal to

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. I don't know aside from him,

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:40.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, on the other end of the spectrum, I'm

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.320
<v Speaker 2>not sure he's in fact, I don't think he's presidential timber.

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 2>But I'm very intrigued by the tone and the seriousness

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:50.759
<v Speaker 2>and the power and strength of John Ossoff, a very

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 2>quiet way that he that he has confronted Trump administration

0:54:55.320 --> 0:55:01.879
<v Speaker 2>officials with surgical cross examination that backs them down. I'd

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:05.520
<v Speaker 2>like that that's not a presidential thing. Look there, the

0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.759
<v Speaker 2>bench turns out to be deep. There are a lot

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:10.360
<v Speaker 2>of people on it, most of them governors. I'd like

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.640
<v Speaker 2>to see what Gretchen Whitmer is made of right out there.

0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:18.719
<v Speaker 2>You never know until they start clashing. This is Biden's great,

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 2>great sin, right, is that at Thanksgiving in twenty twenty three,

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.239
<v Speaker 2>somebody in his family didn't tell him, Hey, you know,

0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 2>you've done your best.

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's spend some time together now.

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.080
<v Speaker 2>And instead he robbed the Democrats of having a primary

0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:39.880
<v Speaker 2>where you would have had Newsome, Whitmer, Pritzker, Basher you know,

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.560
<v Speaker 2>right across the board, slugging it out. And that's when

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 2>you really when you really see what people are made

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of who at the beginning of the Republican primaries, obviously

0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:54.879
<v Speaker 2>Trump quickly dominated, But of the other mooks up there,

0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.520
<v Speaker 2>who would have said at the beginning the class of

0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:00.440
<v Speaker 2>that field was turned out to be Nicki Haley. She

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.360
<v Speaker 2>she was the one who actually had you have to

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:04.680
<v Speaker 2>see them kind of an action. The last thing I'll

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 2>say is I covered the collapse of the Baltimore Bridge

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 2>and and the and the recovery of the bodies and

0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the rebuilding of it for weeks, and I got to

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:18.600
<v Speaker 2>know Wes Moore, the Governor of Maryland, pretty well. I

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<v Speaker 2>was I was there four in the morning the morning

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<v Speaker 2>after it collapsed, and stayed there for a while. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a very impressive man. He is a he is

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<v Speaker 2>a getter things doner. And I think one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you can never forget is the American people understand the presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an executive office. They want people who can

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<v Speaker 2>have a vision, can set an agenda, can marshal the

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<v Speaker 2>resources of the country to execute on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's that guy. Saw him do it with compassion

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<v Speaker 1>and smarts and firmness.

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<v Speaker 2>To to get that thing cleared out and get the

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<v Speaker 2>channel open to poor to Baltimore open, to do so

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<v Speaker 2>with heart and and to start uh at work on

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<v Speaker 2>a on a new bridge. I did see presidential timber

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<v Speaker 2>in that way. He's a very impressive guy.

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<v Speaker 1>What about uh, what about a what do you see

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<v Speaker 1>in a Pritzker?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you see in uh? In a bashir Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of love Pritzker's game. He's game for a

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:26.919
<v Speaker 2>for a rhetorical fight, and he's good at it. He's

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<v Speaker 2>really good at it. There was a I first kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tweaked out how good he was at that graduation

0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:35.120
<v Speaker 2>speech he gave which kind of went viral where he says,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't don't follow idiots, right, that's that That's

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<v Speaker 2>one rule of life that he was giving the graduates.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, how do you know an idiot? Look

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<v Speaker 2>for the cruel person in the room. That's the idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of loved that whole kind of brawling.

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<v Speaker 2>Ham fisted Illinois politician I grew up in outside of Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and uh, and kind of I like him

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he's you know, he's ready for a

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<v Speaker 2>fight now. He's also a billionaire. He's very liberal on

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<v Speaker 2>social issues in some ways, to the left of Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's a skilled order and can self fund, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also important. But I kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he's a happy warrior in the fight, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think people appreciate that that happy warrior. I

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<v Speaker 2>describe myself as a Hubert Humphrey Democrat. I'm quite sure

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<v Speaker 2>what that means except that I'm old. But he was

0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 2>a hero in my family. My mom remembered the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight Democratic Convention and the young mayor of Minneapolis,

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<v Speaker 2>Hubert Humphrey, calling for civil rights plank in the platform,

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<v Speaker 2>and she loved him. And he was a happy warrior.

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<v Speaker 2>He hit the campaign trail with the same upbeat energy

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<v Speaker 2>without backing Dawn down. Could fight for his people, could

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<v Speaker 2>fight for his positions with with cheer, good cheer, and bravery,

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 2>and I think people respond to that. Pritzker has a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of that.

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<v Speaker 1>What about Bashir another another young governor, young governor? Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>he leads with his heart.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me moderate, maybe too moderate for where

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<v Speaker 2>the country is, Like we're in a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a mod' I'm a I like to I am

0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.880
<v Speaker 2>a member of the most despised tribe in American politics.

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm a proud centrist. But right now this administration is

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<v Speaker 2>giving you the opportunity to be moderate. You have got

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<v Speaker 2>to stand up and say what is there factually in

0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:46.720
<v Speaker 2>front of us, which is an attempt at authoritarian takeover

0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:51.480
<v Speaker 2>of our system of government and a degrading of democratic

0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 2>opportunity within it. And if you can't say that, then

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're going to win a democratic primary.

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<v Speaker 2>And Basher, I think while appeals to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>those people in the great muddled middle that that still

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<v Speaker 2>runs the country.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the people that will go back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not talking about the people are it self

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<v Speaker 2>declared independence. I'm talking about the people who steer the

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<v Speaker 2>ship of state ultimately with their instincts. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>want to see They will want to see someone stand

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<v Speaker 2>up to trump Ism with a stronger alternative than I

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<v Speaker 2>feel from Bashir. Right now, people want to fight their

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<v Speaker 2>right to want to fight. This needs to be fought against.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a perfect place to leave it there. Veteran ABC

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<v Speaker 2>news man Terry Moran and I use that designation, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>with with a lot of with a lot of intent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was you know, whether it's Frank Reynolds, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>a Peter Channing's, you know, the intiger of that institution,

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<v Speaker 2>World News, World News Tonight, and you honored and met

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<v Speaker 2>it all the days.

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<v Speaker 1>That you work there. And I know that is a

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<v Speaker 1>long time watcher. And I mean fifty four, I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching ABC World News Tonight from age six, right all

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<v Speaker 1>the way all the way through, and you met the

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<v Speaker 1>you met the moment. You filled the highest ethical standards

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<v Speaker 1>of a worthy and noble profession and necessary one in

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<v Speaker 1>a democracy. And you're doing great stuff in an independent

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<v Speaker 1>media role, particularly when you're out there, you know, traveling

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<v Speaker 1>around the country meeting people. And I hope you'll keep

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<v Speaker 1>doing more of that. And what i'd say to everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the almost three thousand people you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>with us this afternoon. You know, again, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>very serious moment in this country's history. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>very real crisis. What what Donald Trump was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>today is without precedent in the modern history of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's right to be alarmed about it. Uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>is right to be disturbed about it. It's right to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about it tonight at the at the kitchen table.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also right, uh to say to your neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>and to your friend, that I'm an American and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to stand for it, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>do something about it, and to get engaged, get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Your rights do not come from MAGA, they do not

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<v Speaker 1>come from Trump. They come from a higher place and

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<v Speaker 1>a higher power. And uh, never forget that. But with that,

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<v Speaker 1>you would find Terry Moran on substack. I urge you

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. Subscribe to him there, follow him there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Steve Schmid at the Warning. Thanks for joining this

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon for another conversation. I appreciate it very much. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care. I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the Warning.

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