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Speaker 1: back to Coast to Coast. Susan Messino with us of course,

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Speaker 1: as we talk about her updated book called The Secrets

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Speaker 1: of the Universe Universal Laws. Susan, what do they mean

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Speaker 1: to you? Oh, my goodness, there's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: versions of the Universal Laws. I was introduced to him

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Speaker 1: years ago when I read a book called Hawaii in Magic,

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Speaker 1: which is no longer in print and doctor It was

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Speaker 1: written by Dark Doctor Clark Wilkerson. He lived in Hawaii

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Speaker 1: and he wrote about the thirty three cosmic laws, is

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Speaker 1: what he called them. And what I included in my

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Speaker 1: book is a selection of ones that can really relate

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Speaker 1: to just about everything. I can't remember exactly how many

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Speaker 1: I put in here. I think eleven of them, but

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because there's some our lists of eleven, some

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Speaker 1: have twenty two. They're all very fascinating and they're not

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Speaker 1: man made, their laws of the universe, and that's what

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Speaker 1: makes them so special. Looking at these universal laws, at

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Speaker 1: what point then, did you start researching them as you

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Speaker 1: got into this. I think, you know, I read as

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Speaker 1: much as I could on everything, you know, starting from

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Speaker 1: way back in school when there was hardly anything out there.

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Speaker 1: But it is amazing because and I think too, you know,

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Speaker 1: when the book The Secret came out and they did

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Speaker 1: a movie that really brought a lot of awareness up

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Speaker 1: to the fact that, you know, the law of attraction

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Speaker 1: is a great law, but it's not the only one.

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Speaker 1: There are many, And when we talk about universal laws,

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Speaker 1: it's not just the scientific laws of physics, is it. No, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, it's definitely included, but I

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Speaker 1: it's hard to say, like, where did they come from?

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Speaker 1: Who came up with it? Because God did? Well? Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: the Creator, which to me has an amazing sense of humor.

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Speaker 1: The universe always does things to make me laugh. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you that right now. But the laws are amazing

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Speaker 1: when you learn about them more because like the law

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Speaker 1: of karma, which is also the law of cause and effect,

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Speaker 1: what you put out comes back to you. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that everything you talk about

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Speaker 1: and everything you put out there is connected to you

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Speaker 1: and it will only come back to you. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the Creator for a moment, and is as much

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Speaker 1: as you have said that it has a personality. What

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Speaker 1: do you think the Creator is at this point in

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Speaker 1: your career? What have you deduced from that? Wow, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: I think the Creator is the power of love. That

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Speaker 1: and it's hard to say. I don't look at it

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Speaker 1: as a person. I look at it as a force

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Speaker 1: because of course, positive energy creates, negative energy destroys, and

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Speaker 1: the only way that we can be in a physical

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Speaker 1: universe is to have both positive and negative. You know,

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Speaker 1: is made everything is made up of positive and negative.

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Speaker 1: I kind of look at it as a computer that

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Speaker 1: doesn't judge if you will. Let's say you pray and

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Speaker 1: you put your thoughts out there, and what happens is

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Speaker 1: it's very non judgmental, because there's nobody up there going

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Speaker 1: you know, my god. You know she keeps complaining about this,

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Speaker 1: so don't send her that anymore. And unfortunately you get

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Speaker 1: exactly what you put out. I'll that's true. Well, and

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Speaker 1: you know, isn't that called karma? Yes, well, yeah, some

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Speaker 1: I hopefully not. But if you didn't mean to, then

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Speaker 1: you don't incur the karma because it wasn't your intent

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Speaker 1: don't want to go up against organized religion, Oh go ahead,

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Speaker 1: yeah really, But as a child, I was baptized confirmed Lutheran,

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Speaker 1: people is with fear, right, which cola, isn't that how

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Speaker 1: they developed? Hell? Well, yeah, I mean I think that

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Speaker 1: that definitely it exists. Heaven't exists, he'll exists, But a

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Speaker 1: lot of people believe it's right here. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: got to be really close to Hell if it's not

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Speaker 1: the real thing. Tell us the story about your son

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Speaker 1: and the two years of memories of being on the Titanic.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Okay, that's an amazing story. Well, my son, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: went out one night when The Titanic was on HBO.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you did. Well, it didn't take me long to

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have happened. It shouldn't happen. It was all. Now,

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Speaker 1: did you think for a moment at all those Sasan

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Speaker 1: that there could be something wrong with him? No. I

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Speaker 1: believe in past lives, and he had already had a

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Speaker 1: past life memory before this about working on the railroad,

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Speaker 1: when he was about three. He was very specific about

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Speaker 1: So I found out that the original train cars were

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Speaker 1: my daughter. At the time, nobody, nobody believed me. Everybody

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Speaker 1: was like, that's ridiculous, But I'm thinking, you know, and

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Speaker 1: He wasn't drawing from pictures. That's even more compelling, isn't it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: but he brought it home from school and it looks

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Speaker 1: like if you took the Titanic and cut it sideways,

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Speaker 1: you could kind of see inside of it, right, And

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Speaker 1: bit into politics, even though he's uh majoring in animation

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Speaker 1: was Leninger. I think, yeah, lener something like that. Ye,

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Speaker 1: the aircraft carrier he traveled on. The tires used to

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I know. When I saw his story,

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Speaker 1: it was funny because his story was the pilot story

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Speaker 1: Wasn't your son's story in a too get in the

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Speaker 1: I made my son watch it and I said, these

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Speaker 1: once again synchronicity. I'm on the computer one day and

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