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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong, and and he Armstrong and Yetty, I think we.

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Speaker 3: Were not good enough.

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Speaker 4: Was it our day? We didn't perform in the way

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Speaker 4: that we're supposed to perform, show it our quality. But

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Speaker 4: I seen all that was happening around. It was around,

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Speaker 4: But I think it wasn't a situation that affects us.

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Speaker 3: On the group.

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Speaker 1: It's a coach of the United States soccer team which

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Speaker 1: lost yesterday pretty badly four to one. It was disappointing,

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Speaker 1: but clearly if you watched it all, Belgium was the

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Speaker 1: better team.

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Speaker 3: They were just a lot better.

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Speaker 1: We scored one goal, and I think it looks to

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Speaker 1: me like it got tipped in that free kick, and

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Speaker 1: that's why the goalie didn't get to it. So I

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Speaker 1: think if it hadn't been tipped, we wouldn't have scored

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Speaker 1: any goals. Anyway, we'd like to welcome Anthony Martinez to

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Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show today. We're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit of world copies. Our World Cup correspondent, Anthony.

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Speaker 1: We have landed on the moon six times, Belgium zero.

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Speaker 1: So we dominate them in that competition, but not so

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Speaker 1: much in the soccer.

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Speaker 5: We got them that We also got them in Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: So y, yes, they're not even close, man, were they?

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Speaker 1: They are just better than us?

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You know after the match, a lot of people kept

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Speaker 5: talking about how there's levels to this, right, and we're

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Speaker 5: clearly not there yet. We had a lot of progress

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Speaker 5: made this tournament, but last night I just went to

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Speaker 5: show that US still has quite a way to go

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Speaker 6: The big boys.

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Speaker 1: It was certainly exciting though when we scored that one goal,

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Speaker 1: that was about it. So this was in Seattle, so

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Speaker 1: we basically had the home crowd advantage. That was about

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, the atmosphere was great, right, the fans showed up. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 6: Performance last night.

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Speaker 5: So but you know, the fan support has been great

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Speaker 5: because that's always been one of the sticking points with

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Speaker 5: the diehards. Of course, you have groups like American Outlaws

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Speaker 5: in mass the sport hasn't been there. But it seems

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Speaker 5: like that tide has finally turned. And so if nothing

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I it definitely feels different than previous World Cups, and

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Speaker 1: not just because it's in North America. The level of

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Speaker 1: different than I remember. Is that because at this point,

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Speaker 5: You know, it's that, And it's also I attribute a

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Speaker 5: lot of the growth of soccer to streaming because it's

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Speaker 5: people can watch the Premier League, Serie A, any South

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Speaker 5: you know, a lot of millennials and younger generation we've

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Speaker 1: I don't have a rooting interest really, but I was

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Speaker 3: But England won. Who's left that's like the favorite to

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Speaker 5: You know, Argentina plays today and it's hard to bet

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Speaker 5: like you mentioned, England's still in it. Spain is looking

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Speaker 5: France said look great. They look really complete as a team,

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Speaker 1: In the tournament, I didn't have any dream that we

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that would have been obviously the biggest match

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: But you know, hey, you know there there are rumblings

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Speaker 5: You know, in the in the next decade or so.

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Speaker 5: You got twenty thirty coming up in Morocco, Paraguay and Portugal.

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Speaker 5: maybe by then the US will be a global powerhouse

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Speaker 1: So you sound like you might be an actual soccer fan,

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, So maybe you can help me out here.

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Speaker 3: What should I be watching?

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Speaker 1: So, you know, because like you know, oftentimes it's one

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Speaker 5: You know, it's really just all about the movement of

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Speaker 5: just you know, people will call the beautiful game for

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Speaker 6: Of the game.

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Speaker 5: I think that draws a lot of people to it.

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Speaker 5: So it's just, you know, you got to find the

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Speaker 3: I thought the announcers did a pretty good job.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the announcers are doing a pretty good

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Speaker 5: Right, And I think that's a big part too, that

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Speaker 5: in love with it just as much as the diehards

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Speaker 3: I let you go.

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Speaker 1: So I read this interesting piece over the weekend, and

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Speaker 1: The idea was that if the United States cared about soccer,

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Speaker 1: only reason it's exciting is it different teams could win.

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Speaker 1: If we cared about it the way we care about

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Speaker 3: Do you think there's anything even close to the truth

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Speaker 5: I think a little bit, you know. I found the

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Speaker 3: Well, you look at the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: We win.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so if we cared about soccer, I mean,

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Speaker 1: on penalties. But just as a guy understands soccer, looking

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Speaker 5: It was, in my opinion, a very very tough red

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Speaker 6: To get a red card.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, the ref deemed it bad enough

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Speaker 1: Joe is still not here. He's on vacation. We'll be

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Speaker 6: Now, right? I mean, it's complicated, and I think you know,

440
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Speaker 6: anyone who says we're going to completely the couple with China.

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Speaker 6: It is not right. And anyone who says that we

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Speaker 6: don't have to be couple at all is not right.

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Speaker 6: There's it's it's the major intellectual policy political choice of

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Speaker 6: our time. The most important thing we have to do

445
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Speaker 6: sort of as a government, as a society is figure

446
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Speaker 6: out where to draw those lines where what are the

447
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Speaker 6: things we have to protect and what are the things

448
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Speaker 6: we don't you know, like, do we really want to

449
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Speaker 6: import all of our bicycle and toy manufacturing to hear

450
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Speaker 6: or is that okay? You know my view, that's okay,

451
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Speaker 6: we can buy toys and bicycles from China. Really no

452
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Speaker 6: national security cost to that that I could see. Right.

453
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Speaker 6: On the other hand, missile technology and AI that kind

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Speaker 6: of stuff we should probably keep to ourselves. And then

455
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Speaker 6: the things that we're dependent on them for. Okay, well,

456
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Speaker 6: you know, if you remember the pandemic and a few

457
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Speaker 6: years ago, you remember that they kept everything that we

458
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Speaker 6: needed from the masks to the ventilators to your name it,

459
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Speaker 6: so the chemicals so that make our medicines. There are

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Speaker 6: certain things that we're going to need to be able

461
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Speaker 6: to produce without China and technologies up there. The things

462
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Speaker 6: that we need for our because we can't trust those

463
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Speaker 6: guys is pretty clear. So I think that's really what

464
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Speaker 6: we're doing right now, is we're trying to figure out

465
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Speaker 6: what to protect and what not to protect with us.

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Speaker 6: Hard to do in a good environment. We're not in

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Speaker 6: a good environment because you know, American politics is crazy,

468
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Speaker 6: Chinese politics is crazy. The world's on fire, and nobody

469
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Speaker 6: really seems to be engaged in like kind of like

470
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Speaker 6: a sober, kind of real, you know, careful examination of

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Speaker 6: like how to deal with this US China relationship because

472
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Speaker 6: everything's so crazy all the time.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you wrote, the Pentagon has released just recently

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Speaker 1: this updated list of Chinese companies it claims are tied

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Speaker 1: to the People's Liberation Army. Well, well, all companies in

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Speaker 1: China are tied to the government. I mean, you're not

477
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Speaker 1: allowed to operate unless you are tied to the Communist

478
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Speaker 1: party in some way, and the communist parties tied to

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Speaker 1: the army in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not exactly sure what this list is. Well

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Speaker 3: what does it mean?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's the perfect example. So the Pentagon comes

483
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Speaker 6: out with this report and they say, you know, all

484
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Speaker 6: these Chinese companies are linked to the Chinese military. We

485
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Speaker 6: probably shouldn't do business with them, especially the US military

486
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Speaker 6: should do business of them. But it's like pretty much

487
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Speaker 6: every Chinese company, you know, Ali Baba, the car companies,

488
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Speaker 6: buyd all the drug companies, this one called Wouji, which

489
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Speaker 6: like you know, it's all over America with like medical technology.

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Speaker 6: And you know, if you think of that, like they've

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Speaker 6: got a point. You know, like, of course the technology

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Speaker 6: that the Chinese put into our systems is creating a

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Speaker 6: vulnerability for us. And of course anything we find technological

494
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Speaker 6: wise in Chinese is going to go right to their military.

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Speaker 6: It's true. At the same time, you know, if we're

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Speaker 6: going to like not do business with all of these companies,

497
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Speaker 6: well there's gonna be a lot of Wall Street guys

498
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Speaker 6: and a lot of like US businesses that are gonna

499
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Speaker 6: be out on their focuses because you know, they're all

500
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Speaker 6: they're all in bed with these guys. And that's the

501
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Speaker 6: real story here, is that the reason we can't really

502
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Speaker 6: protect ourselves from China is because of us because American investors,

503
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Speaker 6: Wall Street guys, tech guys, not all of them, but

504
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Speaker 6: some of them they're in bed with the Chinese. They're

505
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Speaker 6: in business with them, they're funding them, they're helping them

506
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Speaker 6: in the Chinese effort to beat us. You know, the

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Speaker 6: reason that China has gone from like a you know,

508
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Speaker 6: a backwoods kind of like rural society to like perhaps

509
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Speaker 6: the most technologically advanced country in the world in eighty years,

510
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Speaker 6: it's because of us. Americans paid for it. They stole

511
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Speaker 6: some of the technology, We sold them some, we gave

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Speaker 6: them some. And essentially the whole story of the US

513
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Speaker 6: China competition is them using us to beat us. And

514
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Speaker 6: that's the conundrum, that's the situation where in that's why

515
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Speaker 6: it's such a blows people's minds because the biggest vulnerable,

516
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Speaker 6: the biggest we can the weakest link in the chain

517
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Speaker 6: is actually us.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, you know, you're talking about various products companies

519
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Speaker 1: that you're okay with. You know, Shwin making bicycles. I

520
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Speaker 1: don't know if Shwin makes their bicycles in China, but

521
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Speaker 1: they probably do whatever it is. Whatever it is, you're

522
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Speaker 1: okay with that. But do you think going forward it

523
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Speaker 1: makes sense that Apple one of the most valuable companies

524
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Speaker 1: in the world, and their biggest product is the iPhone

525
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Speaker 1: that they're made in China.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that sustainable.

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Speaker 6: I mean it is, but not for free, you know,

528
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Speaker 6: like you could do anything, but not at no cost.

529
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Speaker 6: And the cost for Apple is that they are corporate

530
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Speaker 6: hostage of the Chinese Communist Party and they know it

531
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Speaker 6: and everybody knows it. So when the Chinese government comes

532
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Speaker 6: and knock and they say, okay, well now you know

533
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Speaker 6: you can't have any Hong Kong songs on Apple Music,

534
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Speaker 6: They're like, okay, you know, like what are they going

535
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Speaker 6: to say? You know, and well, you know, oh, by

536
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Speaker 6: the way, that factory that you own in in China,

537
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 6: you don't own that. That's actually our factory, and we

538
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 6: can tell you how to run it. Well, there's nothing

539
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 6: they can say. So they're trying to again not the

540
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Speaker 6: coupled the risk, move hands with it to dy to

541
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Speaker 6: see what happens. It's not gonna be pretty for the

542
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Speaker 6: first few years, but in the long term that's probably

543
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 6: much better plan. Like they're trying. So a lot of

544
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 6: these American companies are just corporate hostages. Some of them

545
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Speaker 6: are doing it more willingly than others, and in the end,

546
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Speaker 6: it's all going in one direction, which is that you know,

547
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Speaker 6: any American company that sort of makes that sort of

548
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 6: devil's bargain, which is like, Okay, we're gonna, you know,

549
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Speaker 6: give you all of our technology and in exchange for

550
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Speaker 6: access to your market and your cheap labor. Eventually that

551
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Speaker 6: that that doesn't work out in the long run, they're

552
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Speaker 6: going to steal the technology and try to steal your

553
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Speaker 6: business and often succeed. But for some CEO in some

554
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Speaker 6: corporate you know, office somewhere, that's another guy's problem. That's

555
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Speaker 6: the next ceo it's problem. So that's why these things

556
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Speaker 6: keep happening.

557
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Speaker 1: Fair to say that if you were going to start,

558
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Speaker 1: if Apple was going to open an eye It's first

559
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Speaker 1: iPhone factory, you wouldn't choose China today.

560
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Speaker 6: Well no, but I mean, I mean, let's give the

561
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Speaker 6: Chinese credit there. They have the best manufacturing system in

562
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Speaker 6: the world by far. They can out manufacture US times

563
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Speaker 6: a thousand, and they're manufacturing is good. The problem is

564
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Speaker 6: the labors not as cheap as it used to be.

565
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Speaker 6: You know, they're actually pricing themselves out because you could

566
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Speaker 6: get cheaper. Do you want to make socks, you want

567
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Speaker 6: to make them in Chinese, make them in Vietnam it's

568
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 6: much cheaper. But if you want to make you know,

569
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Speaker 6: some like some sort of widget that has some sort

570
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Speaker 6: of technology in it. China is by far the best

571
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Speaker 6: place to manufacture, so I get it. These American companies are,

572
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Speaker 6: they're in a bind. Like you know, when we put

573
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Speaker 6: all those parists on China, that's screwed all lots of

574
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Speaker 6: American small businesses and that's unintended effect of our economic

575
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 6: war with China. So you got to do these things

576
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Speaker 6: with a scalpel, not with a you know, a buzzsaw.

577
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Speaker 6: But at the same time, you know, I see more

578
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Speaker 6: and more CEOs, even more investors. Even the investors are

579
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 6: waking up and some of the tech guys, not all

580
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 6: of them, but some of them and be like, oh wait,

581
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 6: this is not good for our business. So it's not

582
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Speaker 6: good for the country. But maybe they don't care about that.

583
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 6: It's also not good for the business because in the end,

584
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Speaker 6: the way it works is they squeeze you out of

585
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Speaker 6: their market and then they come to your market and

586
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 6: take your lunch. And it happens every single time.

587
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Speaker 3: That's really interesting stuff, Josh Rogan.

588
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Speaker 1: But before we let you go, and you don't have

589
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Speaker 1: to hit me with solid reporting on this, just you're

590
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Speaker 1: a smart guile follows the world, and I wonder your opinion.

591
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: Trump's meeting with Zelenski tomorrow, then he's talking to Putin

592
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Speaker 1: on the phone.

593
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Speaker 3: Where are we with all that?

594
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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean I think the reporting actually is

595
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 6: pretty consistent. It's the same as what I'm hearing is that,

596
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 6: you know, the grumped administration sort of washed its hands

597
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 6: of this whole Ukraine wars. They tried for a while,

598
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 6: didn't work out. They're like, they just moved on. They

599
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 6: had other things to worry about because they only got

600
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Speaker 6: two guys doing all the negotiations, so they can't really

601
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Speaker 6: get all it was. So they went to Venezuela and

602
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 6: then Iron and now they think there's an opening. They

603
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 6: think there's an opening because Putin's getting is butt kicked

604
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Speaker 6: and he's now trying to get Trump to re engage,

605
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 6: because every time Trump re engages, that's good for Russia

606
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 6: and bad for Ukraine. So the Ukrainians like where they're in.

607
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 6: They're finally winning. They're finally you know, through their own

608
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 6: grit and innovation, and you know, they created the best

609
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 6: drones in the world, and you know, started to bring

610
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 6: the fight home to the Russians, and the worst thing

611
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Speaker 6: that could have to them is Trump gets on the

612
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Speaker 6: phone with Putin's like, oh, how do we stop this is?

613
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Speaker 6: How do we screw this over? And that's the fear

614
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Speaker 6: I think that, you know, the Ukrainians are they have

615
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Speaker 6: to like, you know, they're they'd love to stop the war,

616
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Speaker 6: but then they can't. You can't look at the Trump

617
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Speaker 6: Putin relationship and be like, oh, that's going to be

618
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Speaker 6: a really good thing if you if this guy gets back.

619
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Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that that Trump, because you know, he

620
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Speaker 1: likes to be on the winning side of things, that

621
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Speaker 1: he gets convinced that Ukraine's winning and so he wants

622
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Speaker 1: to back the winning side.

623
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Speaker 3: I hope that's what happens.

624
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, and I hope I win the lottery. Yeah,

625
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 6: I hope the Eagles win every Super Bowl from now

626
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 6: to the day I die. It more likely that's not

627
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 6: gonna happen. More likely Trump is gonna meddle in a

628
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 6: way that's horrible and then get bored. And the best

629
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 6: thing for the Ukraine is if Trump is absolutely nothing,

630
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 6: if he gets bored.

631
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably a pretty good point. Always appreciate your time, win,

632
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: let them win. Yeah, that's a good one. Lead global

633
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Speaker 1: security analysts at Washington Post Intelligence. Josh Rogan, thanks for

634
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: your time today anytime.

635
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

636
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: Man. There was a report that came out in the

637
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Speaker 1: New York Times about the life span of Russian troops

638
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: on the front line, and it was something like twenty

639
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: minutes you get to the front line, you're likely to

640
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: be dead in minutes. That's how bad it is. We

641
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: have to talk about that later. God, it's gruesome, But

642
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: I'll put that off for a while. We'll talk about

643
00:31:54,440 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: some other stuff next. Lots to get to today after

644
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: we've been off for the week and a couple of

645
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: days and all the news that happened in between actual

646
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: news and things that happen in our own lives. In

647
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: Vegas for several days with my son, we had a

648
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: really really good time. People always some of you aren't

649
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: hip to Vegas. I guess it's like what it is

650
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: because people regularly so you gamble. No, I don't gamble

651
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: or drink. And I really like Las Vegas, so do

652
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: lots of people. Las Vegas is the number two vacation

653
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: destination for families in America, behind Orlando. Some people, I

654
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: guess are unaware of that. There's tons of stuff going

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Speaker 1: on in Vegas that has nothing to do with drinking

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Speaker 1: and gambling. Like, lots and lots of people are bringing

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Speaker 1: their kids there. There's all kinds of stuff. Anyway, maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll talk more about that. It's always so hot in

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Speaker 1: the summer though, rented a really cool car. Didn't even

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Speaker 1: cost that much to drive the strip in. That was

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Speaker 1: that was It was fun my son loved. But I

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Speaker 1: have stories from Vegas I want to tell later. But

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Speaker 1: this happened while we were on vacation. What my niece

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Speaker 1: was calling our royal wedding.

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Speaker 3: It really was intimate, wasn't.

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Speaker 7: It, guy, As intimate as it could possibly be given

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Speaker 7: It was Madison Square Garden. Really this garden inside the garden,

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Speaker 7: it was just so beautiful, and it's hard to imagine

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Speaker 7: that a place that big and a wedding with such

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Speaker 7: stars could feel so personal and so into it.

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Speaker 3: Because they had their neighbors or high school friends.

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Speaker 5: It was like any wedding that you would attend.

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Speaker 2: It was their dream wedding and it was really was

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Speaker 2: a made the congratulations.

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Speaker 6: Both the graduat oh and their vows all right, thank their.

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Speaker 3: Own vowels, thank you for inviting us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was way more seriously taken on George Stephanopolis's

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Speaker 1: show that I could have mustered up. I didn't watch

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Speaker 1: any of it. I haven't seen any of the highlights.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see any of the pictures. It's not my thing.

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Speaker 1: My brother was in town and he was getting texts

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Speaker 1: from his adult daughters.

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Speaker 3: One of them was referring it to as.

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Speaker 1: Our royal wedding and all the updates and all the

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Speaker 1: different things that were happening, like in lifetime. As stuff

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Speaker 1: leaked out about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's wedding which

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Speaker 1: they had at Madison Square Garden, and I don't have

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Speaker 1: any I guess I don't have any details on this

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Speaker 1: story because I didn't follow it at all. Why did

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Speaker 1: they have it at Madison Square Garden? I mean, did

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Speaker 1: they have just so many people they needed to invite

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Speaker 1: that they needed a really big hole? Was it the

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Speaker 1: only thing that allowed for the sort of security.

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Speaker 6: That they needed.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know any of these things.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: I saw somebody said Paul McCartney saying, I want to

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Speaker 1: hold your hand?

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Speaker 3: Is that true? I saw that reported it he was

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Speaker 3: a guest. Did he actually sing I want to hold

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Speaker 3: your hand.

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Speaker 1: The report I saw said Paul McCartney sang, I want

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Speaker 1: to hold your hand live for the first time since

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. If that's true, that's a really big deal.

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Speaker 1: And why does he care about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 1: Did they pay him or is he just I'm not

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Speaker 1: exactly sure what was going on there.

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Speaker 3: I hope it happened.

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Speaker 6: That would be beautiful.

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Speaker 1: That would be beautiful. I actually think they're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: They seem like a like a really serious, good couple.

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Speaker 3: I hope.

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Speaker 1: I hope they're happy. That's about all I know about

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Speaker 1: that wedding. We got more stuff on the way. If

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Speaker 1: you missed a secment at the podcast Armstrong and Getty

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Speaker 1: on Demand that main Senate Democrat is gonna have to

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Speaker 1: get out of the race.

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Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty