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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in. Lay Cake is live.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, October twenty first Fear of Our

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Speaker 2: Lord twenty twenty one, high at Top Downtown, Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: We have got a Thursday show. I would say for

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Speaker 2: the ages, but I don't know there's no comparative analysis

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Speaker 2: that can be done.

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Speaker 1: Because we're going to do some things at tonight's show.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever done thematically, we have never

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Speaker 2: done a show like this. It's not going to be

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Speaker 2: that far off the rails. Still going to talk about

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Speaker 2: what we're watching in week eight. They are trying to

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Speaker 2: sell you are the casuals on the fact that this

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Speaker 2: is a sleepy Saturday. They love alliteration, Colin, the casuals

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Speaker 2: love alliteration. Well, sleepy Saturday just normally means you get

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Speaker 2: woken up in a complete and total panic when there's

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Speaker 2: a big three touchdown Underdog about pulling out right up set.

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Speaker 2: Don't sleep on Saturdays. That's what God made Monday through

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Speaker 2: Friday for. Don't sleep on Saturdays. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about the LSU coaching search tonight, first time really done

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Speaker 2: it since Edwards Rand got fired. You know that on

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Speaker 2: this show at least we have not done our hot

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Speaker 2: board here's our favorite candidates.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do some of that tonight.

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Speaker 2: Although we won't have any fancy graphics to go along

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Speaker 2: with it, because I don't think.

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Speaker 1: That's where we are in the search.

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Speaker 2: But I do think we're at the point where we

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Speaker 2: can define some very very key characteristics.

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Speaker 1: And also there's maybe a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit different angle that I'm going to take on

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Speaker 2: that than at least than I've seen out there. I

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Speaker 2: haven't read every piece of literature that's been written on

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Speaker 2: the LSU Coaching search yet. Speaking of literature, May twenty first,

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Speaker 2: I want to say May twentieth or twenty first was

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Speaker 2: the date.

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Speaker 1: It was in the spring, and we were just.

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Speaker 2: Doing well, some fun housekeeping sort of content on Late

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Speaker 2: Kick and we were talking about Kirby Smart and Dan

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Speaker 2: Mullen and I made a very passive comment. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was literally in passing. It was not the focal

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Speaker 2: point of a segment. We didn't build everything around it,

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Speaker 2: but some of you latched onto it for whatever reason. Normally,

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Speaker 2: the stuff that I think will get traction here doesn't,

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Speaker 2: and the stuff that's just kind of throwaway it ends

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Speaker 2: up going all over the place. So one of those

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Speaker 2: things that I thought was a throwaway that went all

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Speaker 2: over the place, We're gonna revisit it tonight because I've

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Speaker 2: forgotten about it, to be honest with you, but some

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Speaker 2: of you hadn't, and so you brought it to my

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Speaker 2: attention the other day, and I said, we got a

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Speaker 2: Thursday show to Phil, don't we alrighty then, so we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do that tonight. Also, Renaissance Tour is headed to

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Speaker 2: Tusca Loosis Saturday. Now I know a lot of you

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Speaker 2: are looking around and you're saying, why don't you go

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Speaker 2: to Iowa State, Oklahoma State?

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Speaker 1: Why aren't you it Indiana, Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I've got to be here tomorrow

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Speaker 2: here meaning Nashville, because we got some stuff to do,

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Speaker 2: so I needed to be within driving distance. Having said that,

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Speaker 2: which is a phrase I'm trying to eradicate from the

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Speaker 2: show because I said it seven times last show. So

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Speaker 2: after saying that, do you know what's on deck next week?

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Speaker 2: We've got big matchups all over the place. We got

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Speaker 2: some hard decisions that are gonna have to be made

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Speaker 2: when we get back here from the Alabama Tennessee game on.

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Speaker 1: Late Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: I got a cord pull in here, and what I

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Speaker 2: mean by that is Penn State's going to Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: We got Michigan Michigan State.

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Speaker 2: If the Wolverine is take care of business Saturday, that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be an undefeated matchup. We've got Georgia Florida in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: I rarely ever missed that game. We've got Ole Miss

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Speaker 2: going to Auburn. What if old Miss beats LSU, They're.

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Speaker 1: A nine point favorite.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that could be a huge SEC Western Division matchup.

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Speaker 2: So you'll we got some big decisions to make, so

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Speaker 2: hang with me on that. Also some very good news

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Speaker 2: about the podcast. The Lake Podcast, which believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: is different than what you're watching right now if you're

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Speaker 2: on YouTube. So I'm going to talk about that at

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Speaker 2: the end of the show because we don't want to

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Speaker 2: front load with housekeeping those So let's dive in. Saturday

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Speaker 2: is almost upon US Week eight is almost upon US.

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Speaker 2: App State already beat Coastal Carolina last night, and we're

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Speaker 2: not really doing a segment on it because it was

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Speaker 2: watching and what we could learn this Saturday I want

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Speaker 2: you to first keep an eye on this Ohio State game.

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Speaker 1: Didn't talk about it a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: The other night, Indiana is playing host to Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Buckeyes are coming off the buy. The line on this

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Speaker 2: game right now is twenty one. Buckey's minus twenty one

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Speaker 2: since the Oregon game, which, in all likelihood, unless you

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Speaker 2: are an Ohio State fan, is the last time you

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Speaker 2: watched Ohio State play. They have beaten, in order, Tulsa

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Speaker 2: forty one to twenty, Akron fifty nine to seven, Rutgers

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Speaker 2: fifty two to thirteen, and Maryland sixty six to seventeen. Noticed,

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Speaker 2: they have not given up more than twenty points. And

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Speaker 2: I can't off the top of my head recollect if

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Speaker 2: any of those were defensive in nature. But they have

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Speaker 2: not given up as a team more than twenty points.

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Speaker 2: And so you've got one of two ways you can

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Speaker 2: it's all been rectified, or to w are large degree,

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Speaker 2: it's been rectified. Or maybe they haven't faced a team

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Speaker 2: problems are still there, or it could be somewhere in between.

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Speaker 1: They did make some staff changes too.

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Speaker 2: The reason I'm excited about this game because we had

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Speaker 2: a chance to find out Indiana is not a team

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Speaker 2: will tell you this game is going to be in

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Speaker 2: the Romannudle Express later because it's a game I think

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Speaker 2: the line's too big on on the model has this

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Speaker 2: and so we are certainly gonna move on Indiana. I'll

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Speaker 2: go ahead and tell you now, Indiana plus twenty one is

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Speaker 2: one of our best bets of the week. Indiana, what

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Speaker 2: Think about Iowa. You watched them all year, and you

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Speaker 2: watched them be plus plus plus turnover battle all year,

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Speaker 2: a Saturday when they were just going to be even.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know they were going to be minus two

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Speaker 2: Indiana is the total opposite. Indiana has been victimized by

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Speaker 2: they have been victimized by turnovers every game. Now that

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that we can go back in time once

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Speaker 1: Take away the losses. The losses are there.

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Speaker 2: But what it does is it undervalues Indiana right now.

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Speaker 2: You know how random turnovers are. There is come in

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Speaker 2: I'm going to roll the dice on Indiana not turning.

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Speaker 1: The ball over three or four times.

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Speaker 2: But if that happens, I think there are going to

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to be able to hang within

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Speaker 1: Going to be something to deal with. They will be anyway.

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Speaker 2: I'm just very excited to see if they have it

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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with my logic on that game.

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Speaker 2: Illinois is at Penn State. Penn State is laying twenty three.

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Speaker 2: What I am focused on here is not so much

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Speaker 2: the outcome of this game. In fact, on MA loves

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Speaker 2: Penn State. Obviously, I'm a little hesitant because you don't

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Speaker 2: know what you have with Sean Clifford. That's what we're watching,

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Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna learn. These two teams, not Illinois

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Speaker 2: Penn State, but Penn State and Ohio State. They play

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Speaker 2: each other a week from Saturday, and so everyone's wondering

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Speaker 2: in state college and beyond, what is the status of

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Speaker 2: Penn State quarterback Sean Clifford.

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Speaker 1: He had to exit the Iowa game. They had a

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Speaker 2: Couldn't have drawn it up any better given the circumstances,

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Speaker 2: in practice this week, whereas the Penn State beat up there,

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Speaker 2: really didn't expect to be able to see anything. Shan

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Speaker 2: Clifford was out there taking reps with the ones, and

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Speaker 2: he was going through drills. I was reading over on

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Speaker 2: Huge information. I know that's just one word, but that's

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Speaker 2: huge information. So I want to see Shan Clifford Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how limited he is. I mean, I would

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Speaker 1: But how limited is he?

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Speaker 2: And then can we gauge from Penn State's performance Saturday

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Speaker 2: the level that we can expect him to play at

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Speaker 2: as a quarterback, which is going to be obviously pivotal

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Speaker 2: to their chances of pulling the upset next week in

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Speaker 2: the Horseshoe Tennessee's at Alabama this is the game I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be at now. Bama is laying twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It's a seven o'clock game on ESPN Tennessee. Defense one

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Speaker 2: of the worst assignments you can draw, having been on

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Speaker 2: the field one hundred and one plays just last week.

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Speaker 1: But that's where they are right now. Now.

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Speaker 2: Bama's defense all of a sudden, presumably could have turned

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Speaker 2: a corner a little bit last week they gave up nine.

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Speaker 2: They have really handled Mike Leach has Nick Saban and

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Speaker 2: his defensive staff last few years. But if they're hitting

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Speaker 1: I want to focus on in this game.

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Speaker 2: If they're hitting a stride, then they will start very

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Speaker 2: fast here because it has all the ingredients of a

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Speaker 2: fast start. You've got a potential opponent whose defense is

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Speaker 2: coming in gassed and coming in with very very questionable

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Speaker 2: the ability, especially if you call plays the right way,

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Speaker 2: and if you don't, Nick's able to call time out

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Speaker 2: and call it for you to sort of bludgeon your

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Speaker 1: On the scoreboard this one.

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Speaker 2: I think if that's the case and they start fast,

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Speaker 2: we were viral in the best of ways or worst

439
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Speaker 2: of ways, depending on your perspective. So this goes out

440
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Speaker 2: and that's all well and good. You know, people tweet

441
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Speaker 2: out stuff every day. Well, we got some replies under

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Speaker 2: this both on the twenty four to seven account in

443
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Speaker 2: my account.

444
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Speaker 1: Now why is this important?

445
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Speaker 2: Well, it's important because things have totally gone off the

446
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Speaker 2: rails at Florida and Georgia's rank number one in the country.

447
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Speaker 1: I don't know that.

448
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Speaker 2: Either result is the biggest shocker in the history of

449
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Speaker 2: college football.

450
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Speaker 1: But here we are.

451
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Speaker 2: And so one of you had a lot of free

452
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Speaker 2: time on your hands the other night and you bumped

453
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Speaker 2: this post.

454
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Speaker 1: Well, here's what happens for those unfamiliar with the platform.

455
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Speaker 1: I'm a post. I also get to see all the replies.

456
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Speaker 2: Underneath, and that's where the fund began. So I started

457
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Speaker 2: scrolling through the replies and I said, one, two, three, ten,

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Speaker 2: twenty fifty. Wow, this will make a good segment on

459
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Speaker 2: the show. Some of these people have lost their minds

460
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Speaker 2: by thinking I had lost my mind. Allow me to share,

461
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Speaker 2: because it wouldn't be professional of me, would it if

462
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Speaker 2: I didn't give you guys credit for your responses. I

463
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Speaker 2: want to acknowledge the audience at every turn. So let's

464
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Speaker 2: acknowledge some of our esteemed audience members. And when I

465
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Speaker 2: say audience members, I mean people who would never be

466
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Speaker 2: watching the show. They just kind of drove by the

467
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Speaker 2: tweet they threw out their response, and then they moved on.

468
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Speaker 2: We had the following I'm just going to read them

469
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Speaker 2: and react, and you can react along with me. I

470
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Speaker 2: trust Mullen to win a really big game well before

471
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Speaker 2: Kirby Smart. The problem is not necessarily the big game. Friends,

472
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Speaker 2: the problems win your favored by double.

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Speaker 1: Digits against the likes of Lsu.

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Speaker 2: We continue, Mullin will be at Florida longer than Smart

475
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Speaker 2: is at Uga, which is only true in the world

476
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Speaker 2: where Kirby Smart takes an NFL job. At this point

477
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Speaker 2: we continue again, what part of Florida beating Georgia in

478
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty did you miss? I didn't miss it. I

479
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Speaker 2: didn't miss it at all. I think the statement stood

480
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Speaker 2: on its own regardless of the results last year.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of the.

482
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Speaker 2: Premise behind saying it. Even if or even after Florida

483
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Speaker 2: has won the East. You had people that were openly

484
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Speaker 2: just accepting the fact that the team that just won

485
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Speaker 2: that division is still the second best program in the division,

486
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Speaker 2: not team program in the division, because the critical factors

487
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Speaker 2: and the characteristics that you look at to define a

488
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Speaker 2: program over a team have not really elevated all that much.

489
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Speaker 2: I see Kyle Trask, He's good. Where's he going? Who's

490
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Speaker 2: replacing him? I see Kyle Pitts, He's good. Where's he going?

491
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Speaker 2: Who's replacing him? A lot of question marks in those blanks.

492
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Speaker 2: As it turns out, let's just roll on here because

493
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Speaker 2: it gets better and better. Give it a couple of years,

494
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Speaker 2: they say, until Mark Richt two point zero has made

495
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Speaker 2: himself apparent in the form of Kirby Smart. Smart is

496
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Speaker 2: underachieving given the talent he has recruited. Well, I'm looking

497
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Speaker 2: at their record right now, and this is as big

498
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Speaker 2: a goose egg in the lost column as I have

499
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Speaker 2: seen now.

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Speaker 1: Of course, this mentality would lead you to believe that if.

501
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Speaker 2: Kirby Smart goes undefeated regular season and they make it

502
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Speaker 2: to the National Championship Game and they lose by three,

503
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 2: that means he's underachieved, which of course is insanity. But

504
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 2: that kind of mentality, you know, someone in other words,

505
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Speaker 2: who's misguided enough to say this, is certainly misguided enough

506
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Speaker 2: to think that here's one of my personal favorites. You

507
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: just be saying, just to say it. That's our in

508
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Speaker 2: house editing. That's how we censor things around here.

509
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Speaker 1: Now I am.

510
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Speaker 2: Partially guilty of that, but not in this particular case.

511
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Speaker 2: What are you smoking? Can I get some of that?

512
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: Because it's some primo stuff?

513
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Speaker 1: Colin? Do you know my deal? You know my supplier?

514
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Speaker 1: Because I don't. I have no clue whomst he or

515
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Speaker 1: she is.

516
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Speaker 2: We continue who who in their right mind has said

517
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Speaker 2: this your own fan base?

518
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Speaker 1: That's who I was quoting, friend.

519
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Speaker 2: L ol stfu. Acronyms are plenty in this one. There

520
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Speaker 2: are no Florida fans who want Smart over Mullen. Hashtag

521
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Speaker 2: falls because you're a moron and morons don't know much

522
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Speaker 2: about football. Josh, Pat you are exactly what's wrong with

523
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Speaker 2: the current state of media. I am the enemy in

524
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Speaker 2: Gainesville because I'm the one who didn't have you ready

525
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Speaker 2: two years in a row to play LSU. Is there

526
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Speaker 2: a coach who is as bad as Kirby Smart but

527
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Speaker 2: gets as much love as he does from freaks like Josh?

528
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Speaker 2: I actually am not seeing this for the first time

529
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Speaker 2: until now. Let me regroup here, Colin, when's the last

530
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Speaker 2: time I got called a freak? This has several connotations,

531
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Speaker 2: and to be honest, I don't fit any of them.

532
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Speaker 1: So let's reread this.

533
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Speaker 2: Let's reracket as they say, in the biz, is there

534
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Speaker 2: a coach who is as bad as Kirby Smart but

535
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Speaker 2: gets as much love as he does from freaks like

536
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Speaker 2: Josh in the recruiting industry that have no idea about

537
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Speaker 2: actual football?

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Speaker 1: Probably not. If this is actual football.

539
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Speaker 2: If this is what we're calling actual football, where's the

540
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Speaker 2: fake football?

541
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Speaker 1: Like, where's the fake version? Because this is actual football,

542
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: So actual football.

543
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Speaker 2: Would lead me to believe that I'm wrong on this.

544
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Speaker 2: So I'm living in the fake world. What is it

545
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: like in the world of actual football? What is that like?

546
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Speaker 1: Is it like this?

547
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: Is it like you know, you toss a shoe, you

548
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,239
Speaker 2: get upset, you don't live and learn. You go get

549
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Speaker 2: beat by Kentucky despite the fact that they can't put

550
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Speaker 2: one hundred total on the board on you through the air,

551
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Speaker 2: and then you don't learn from that either actual football.

552
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Speaker 2: And then you go to Baton Rouge and they splatter you.

553
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: I meant me, let me refresh your memory. You got

554
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Speaker 2: the worst rushing offense in Power five football? Chunk chunk, chunk, chunk,

555
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: track marks all over your face? Is that real football?

556
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: Is that actual football? If so, I'm not playing favorites here.

557
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: I'll hang out with Kirby Smart in the fake football world,

558
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Speaker 2: because that's the last place I want to be is

559
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Speaker 2: watching LSU hang nearly half a hundred on.

560
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Speaker 1: Me as the head coaches on the way out the door. Anyway,

561
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Speaker 1: these are just some of the many.

562
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Speaker 2: Quotes that I had that I got the pleasure at

563
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Speaker 2: this point of scrolling through the other night, And to

564
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Speaker 2: be honest with you, I was not going to do

565
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Speaker 2: this segment, but I had a lot of encouragement from

566
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Speaker 2: certain message boards out there. Then I saw this, so

567
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Speaker 2: that was only part of the fun I wanted to have.

568
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: So then I'm on that same platform that really does

569
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: nothing but get me in trouble, and I saw something

570
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Speaker 2: out of Jacksonville yesterday. I believe it was yesterday as

571
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Speaker 2: we sit here and talk live Thursday, and I can't

572
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Speaker 2: remember what radio station it was down there. But it's

573
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Speaker 2: not necessarily important because this is not the first time

574
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Speaker 2: I've seen or heard this sentiment expressed. But the expression

575
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Speaker 2: essentially was the recruiting expectations are too high at Florida.

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Speaker 1: So here's what's happening. Dan Mullen does not recruit at

577
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Speaker 1: a high level. That's established. We all get that.

578
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Speaker 2: Even his defenders do not hail him as some great recruiter.

579
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Speaker 2: They would merely tell you he'll win on Saturday as

580
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Speaker 2: long as he's in the ballpark. Talent wise debatable. I

581
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: understand where that comes from, but Dan mull is not

582
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Speaker 2: an elite recruiter, and at least, at least on the

583
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 2: outside looking in, it doesn't appear that he's made a

584
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Speaker 2: ton of aggressive moves to rectify that.

585
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: Now that's a problem that's separate. But what was said,

586
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Speaker 1: and this is not an isolated statement.

587
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Speaker 2: I've heard several people say this, Oh, the expectation levels

588
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Speaker 2: too high because Florida fans don't like it, nor should they.

589
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Speaker 1: They will not settle for it, nor should they. I'm

590
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Speaker 1: right there with them.

591
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Speaker 2: You got some folks saying, as the University of Florida,

592
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Speaker 2: you shouldn't be expected to recruit at as high a

593
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Speaker 2: level as Kirby Smart is at Georgia, which, as we

594
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Speaker 2: all know.

595
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Speaker 1: Is also asinine to that.

596
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Speaker 2: I responded this, what would Kirby Smart do if he

597
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Speaker 2: were at Florida. If the answer is he would recruit

598
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Speaker 2: pretty much the same, then your expectation isn't too high,

599
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Speaker 2: because that means the limiting factor is not your internal

600
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Speaker 2: resources and your state of being as a program. The

601
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Speaker 2: limiting factor is the guy currently in the driver's seat

602
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Speaker 2: and the changes that he is either unable or unwilling

603
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Speaker 2: to make. Either way, it's a but I looked at

604
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Speaker 2: that and I said, how in the world would Kirby

605
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: Smart be any different if he were at Florida.

606
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Speaker 1: I Florida is not the problem.

607
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Speaker 2: And by the way, have we forgotten what urban Meyer

608
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: did at that same university the moment he walked in.

609
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer came from Utah, Utah's halfway to Japan, and

610
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: he came in having no direct correlation to the region.

611
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Speaker 2: Urban Meyer hadn't been to Florida for anything more than

612
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Speaker 2: a vacation in his life. He didn't even have ties

613
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Speaker 2: down here, and he dominated in recruiting.

614
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Speaker 1: Were the expectations to what are we talking about?

615
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Speaker 2: So then I had someone who at the very least

616
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Speaker 2: backed up their response with logic and data. I had

617
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Speaker 2: someone come back and they said, well, I don't know

618
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Speaker 2: that Kirby Smart would do is good if he was

619
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Speaker 2: at Florida. Because there is a misconception that there's more

620
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Speaker 2: talent around the University of Florida than there is around Georgia.

621
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Speaker 2: And then he showed the scatterplot, he showed the data points.

622
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Speaker 2: And if you're going to disagree with me, but you

623
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Speaker 2: bring logic based reasoning to the equation, I will never

624
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: hate on you, I'll never bet you. I can respectfully

625
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: disagree with it. And I respectfully disagree with this only

626
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: because I don't think geography with a cat like Kirby

627
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: Smart or Nick Saban or Ryan Day is a limiting

628
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: factor at all. State lines might as well not even exist.

629
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 2: Like Kirby Smart's every bit is effective going into Texas

630
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: as he is going into Kennesaw. That's the nature of

631
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: a National Alpha recruiter. There are only a few of

632
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: them out there now, but they are the exception to

633
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: the rule. Kirby Smart's the exception to that rule. Nick

634
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: Saban is the exception to that rule. So what Kirby

635
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: Smart would do is he go to Florida and he'd

636
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: destroy it. He'd tear it up, just like he is

637
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: at Georgia right now. And then, as I was scrolling

638
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Speaker 2: throughout this entire landfill of replies that I have on

639
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: that tweet, of.

640
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Speaker 1: Course you have the usual.

641
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Kirby is not as good an X's

642
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: and O's coach, as Dan Mullen, let me suggest something

643
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: that can be true.

644
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: For all I know that can be true.

645
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: I know most people think that a couple of things

646
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: can be reality here though, that can be true, and

647
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: the people saying it also have no earthly way to

648
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: prove it, no earthly way to diagnose it. And what

649
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: I've always made this akin to is like if I

650
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: were watching a Space Shuttle and it couldn't get off

651
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: the launch pad, I could say, those idiots at NASA,

652
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: they screwed up again. They don't know anything about actual

653
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: rocket science. And I mean, technically, I guess I'd be right,

654
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: because they were supposed to get the rocket into space

655
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: and it didn't take off right. But do you know

656
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Speaker 2: what it would be like if I sat down with

657
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: one of them. I mean, they wouldn't even get past

658
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: the instruction manual of the knowledge that exists in their

659
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: head before I'd have saucers for eyes. And likewise, you could,

660
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: for all I know, be right when you tell me

661
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen's a better X's and O's Game day coach.

662
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm about to tell you why it's relevant in the second,

663
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: but you could be right when you say that. But

664
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: most of the people that I hear say that to

665
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: me are wholly inequipped to actually get on a grease

666
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: board or turn the lights down and get in the

667
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: film room and take the laser pin and actually diagnose

668
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: it for me. So usually I dismiss that, even if

669
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: there's a chance it's true. Here's why I don't really care.

670
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: I've always thought, in this particular comparative analysis of Dan

671
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: Mullen Kirby Smart.

672
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: I've always thought it was kind of misguided.

673
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: Like I've always thought to myself, if I got an

674
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: A or a B, A side I'd rather be on

675
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: in that equation. I'd rather be on the side of

676
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart. Like if you're telling me that one guy's

677
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: a great game day tactician, but the other he's an

678
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: all world recruiter who's also a pretty good coach in

679
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: his own right.

680
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: I want to be on the side where the better

681
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: players are.

682
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: Because if I put Richard Petty in a station wagon

683
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: and I put you in the monster truck, guess how

684
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: much it matters that he's a better driver than you.

685
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: It really doesn't. This is not chess. This is football.

686
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: You get to hit people you get to knock people over,

687
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: you get to run at people. There is a physical

688
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: element when you're consistently bigger and faster and stronger than

689
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: the other guy. It's not a guaranteed when, but it's

690
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: absolutely the side I'd rather be on than the alternative,

691
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: where everything has to go right and I got a

692
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: thread every needle, No thanks, especially when I'm at Florida,

693
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: where it shouldn't be that way to begin with. I

694
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to thread the needle.

695
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to wring every ounce of liquid out

696
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: of the sponge.

697
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm Florida, man, I've had number one recruiting classes here

698
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: and nothing's changed.

699
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: The expectation isn't too high.

700
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: The current leadership's not good enough, the current product's not

701
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: good enough. Let's move on. That game's happening next week.

702
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: It's not even a Georgia Florida preview. I fear that

703
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: the Georgia Florida preview could go sideways. That's why I

704
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about it in a more abstract view. Tonight,

705
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: the LSU coaching search rolls on, not nearing a conclusion

706
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: per se, but rolls on nonetheless. I wanted to touch

707
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: on this for a couple of minutes. There are two

708
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: non negotiables that I see here. What you have to

709
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: do if you're trying to hire someone is before you

710
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: just go out there and you start looking at resumes

711
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: and you like this one, this one, and this one.

712
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: You got to define the critical factors, the critical traits,

713
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: the characteristics that you're looking for following this coaching search

714
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: as close we're going to.

715
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: Be following it.

716
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: Let me tell you the two that I think are

717
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: paramount above and beyond. And I think this is exactly

718
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: what's being expressed by Scott Woodward and his very very

719
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: very close circle of like one maybe when it comes

720
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: to what they're looking for. Number one, this is a

721
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: non negotiable. You have to have someone who is all

722
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: about structure, all about organization, and it's proven, someone who

723
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: has a proven organizational model and someone who is proven

724
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: in building structure. When Saban came there, it's not that

725
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: he just got a bunch of great athletes. It's not

726
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: that he built a fence around Louisiana. He brought an

727
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: NFL structure in there. So much so that I'm a

728
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: believer and some people in the scouting world are a

729
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: believer that less miles and even at Orgeron, we're still

730
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: benefiting from the structure that was put in place, in

731
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: some cases over a decade after Saban left. That's how

732
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: sound the structure he built there was. You got to

733
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: give me that. It's a non negotiable. Number two to me,

734
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: this is also a non negotiable. You got to have

735
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: someone who meshes with the culture there. I'm not telling

736
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: you you got to have someone from Louisiana. I'm telling

737
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: you you have to have someone whose personality and whose

738
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: characteristics as an individual and as a coach are also

739
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: reflected in the characteristics that make up the culture of Louisiana.

740
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Louisiana not a region. Louisiana is a region.

741
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: It is its own region. And so what makes up

742
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: the people there, what makes up the identity of the program,

743
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: what you have to have to win at LSU.

744
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: I got to have that embodied in my head. Coach.

745
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: If we can check those two boxes, and I have

746
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: no reason to believe they can't, then the next two

747
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: are going to take care of themselves. You can pick

748
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: which kind of system you want to run. You're gonna

749
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: be able to hire any coordinator you want defensively offensively,

750
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: and recruiting is going to take care of itself, because

751
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: if I have those first two boxes checked, if I

752
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: have organizationally top to bottom everything I need, and if

753
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: I got a culture fit as a head coach, there's

754
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: no limit to what we can do in the following categories.

755
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Who am I going to hire as a receivers coach?

756
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: You know how's recruiting at the quarterback position going to

757
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: look for twenty twenty four?

758
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: All that takes care of itself.

759
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: Those are dominoes a little down the line that will

760
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: be knocked down if I get those first two checked.

761
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: The only thing I'm telling you with confidence in the

762
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: whole LSU coaching search is be careful putting your list

763
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: together and only including.

764
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: College names on it.

765
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: As I said the other night, and I'll reiterate, and

766
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: this is not just my thought, this is me quoting

767
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: someone semi in the know. This is not viewed as

768
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: one of the top jobs in college football. This is

769
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: viewed as one of the top jobs in football, period.

770
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: And I am speaking with pretty close to as much

771
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: certainty as I could that there are people in the

772
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: NFL head coaches and the like there are people in

773
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: the NFL who, if Scott Woodward wanted, I believe he'd

774
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: have a serious shot at landing. That's not mentioning names

775
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: in particular, because I don't think we're at that stage yet.

776
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the perception of the LSU job, as

777
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: highly as you may think of it, it's even more

778
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: highly thought of in coaching circles, so much so that

779
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: there are some in the coaching profession that could have

780
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: their choice of either that would view that as better

781
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: than all but a few NFL head coaching jobs. That's

782
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: the caliber of job, to be clear, that we're talking

783
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: about here. So when I started talking a couple of

784
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: months ago about Oorgeron potentially being let go, and I

785
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: gave you that much lead time, it's because behind the scenes,

786
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: that's what the talk has been.

787
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: This is not a ripple effect, okay, this.

788
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: Is dropping a boulder in the lake, huge like tsunami

789
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: effect throughout college football and what this could mean in

790
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: the coaching market. Now, my personal feel on this, and

791
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 2: there are exceptions to this rule, to be perfectly clear,

792
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: it is.

793
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: My personal feel.

794
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: If I'm running LSU, if I'm an LSU fan, I

795
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: do not want to give you the opportunity to prove yourself,

796
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: or cut your teeth, or learn the hard lessons on

797
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: my dime. I want someone who's already learned the lessons.

798
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 2: I want someone whose teeth.

799
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Are already sharpened.

800
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: I want someone who can take off and go one

801
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour from day one.

802
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: There are exceptions to this rule.

803
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: It is worked for Kirby at Georgia, it is worked

804
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 2: for Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. It is worked for Ryan

805
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: at Ohio State. Those are exceptions to the rule. Those

806
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: were perfect, ready made situations, and you happen to have

807
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: the perfect candidate there. There are also ten times as

808
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: many case studies of failed experiments where a program wanted

809
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: to have the next Kirby or the next Ryan Day

810
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: or the next Lincoln Riley, and they fell flat on

811
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: their face. Because the fact of the matter is most

812
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: guys who have never been a head coach aren't ready

813
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: for that spotlight. Most guys who have even just been

814
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: a coach a few years aren't ready for that spotlight.

815
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: That's my personal feel.

816
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you that's how Scott Woodward feels or

817
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: what I've heard. I'm telling you, if I'm looking at LSU.

818
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: I want someone who's been around the block a time

819
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: or two and has done it and has proven it.

820
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: So there are exceptions that would be my rule. So

821
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: the name's floating around out there right now. You're seeing

822
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: James Franklin a lot. If Harris County High School comes open,

823
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna see James Franklin's name. That doesn't mean it's

824
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: not serious. I'm just telling you Franklin's represented by the

825
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: right folks. His name's always out there. Do I think

826
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: there's validity. I have no clue if there's validity there.

827
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: Billy Napier or a name that's going to be really hot.

828
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: I got mixed feelings about Billy Napier. I think he's

829
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: a wonderful guy, but I also think he's a wonderful

830
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: football guy. Because there are a lot of nice guys

831
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: who would fail miserably at LSU. Think Billy Napier is

832
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: a good football guy. My point of concern with Napier

833
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: would go back to what I just said. My personal

834
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: philosophy is, is he proven enough. I don't want to

835
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: take a risk on this higher I want a sure thing.

836
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm LSU.

837
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't have to take risks I can afford literally

838
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: to go land a sure thing. That doesn't mean Napier

839
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a grand slam down the road. It just

840
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: means it's a bigger risk. And that's all I'm telling you.

841
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm not anti BILLI Napier by any stretch. It would

842
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: just be a risk. Mario Christobal is a name that's

843
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: being thrown around. Certainly, I think the culture fit would

844
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: be there. You would certainly have great recruiting there. I'm

845
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: a believer that he can build a rock solid organizational structure.

846
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: I think the folks watching Mario cristaball right now, I

847
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: think the biggest concern with them is they're looking at

848
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: Oregon and they've seen the recruiting, and they've seen the talent.

849
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: Start to pile up.

850
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: I think football product is not elevated to the level

851
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: that some people want. If they're looking to hire a

852
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: sure thing that some people would like to see, now,

853
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: the response to that could be, We'll just get your

854
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: rock star offensive coordinator and be done with it. Maybe

855
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: it's that easy. History says it's not that easy, But

856
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: maybe it is that easy. Mel Tucker is the most

857
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 2: fascinating name here. Notice I have not mentioned any NFL guys.

858
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin's name is floating around right now, Like, I

859
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: have no informed take on that other than I would

860
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: clap I was stand on the desk and clapform. Oh,

861
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: by the way, before I get to Mel Tucker. A

862
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: lot of you are cold on Bill O'Brien. Bill O'Brien

863
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: is a guy in the coaching world that is viewed

864
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: infinitely in higher regard than in the fan bases around

865
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: college football.

866
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people are sort of turned off.

867
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien's the OC at Alabama right now, former Penn

868
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: State head coach, former Houston Texans head coach. Things went

869
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: sideways for him in Houston as a whole general manager thing,

870
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: and Houston was a mess organizationally. Bill O'Brien was a

871
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: five hundred head coach in the NFL. That's hard as

872
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: hard as about what Nick Saban was actually in the NFL.

873
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: That's hard to do. But that's not why people think

874
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: so highly of him.

875
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: People think highly of Bill O'Brien for something that has

876
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: a lot more to do with LSU when he was

877
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: at Penn State. Remember the context. When O'Brien was at

878
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Penn State. It was right after the Sandusky stuff, and

879
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: when O'Brien was at Penn State, they handed down the punishment.

880
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: They gutted the program. Penn State should have.

881
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: Hurled off a ravine to the bottom of a lake

882
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: that they didn't get out of for like a decade,

883
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: and O'Brien didn't let it happen, and they stayed at

884
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: an altitude cruising wise that they should not have been

885
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: able to stay at.

886
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: People were amazed by it. People are still amazed by it.

887
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: Like they didn't win the Big Ten, like they weren't

888
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: in contention for anything. I don't think they were allowed

889
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: to anyway. People remember what he did given the circumstances there,

890
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: and people in the college world, a lot of them

891
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: have always believed like, if O'Brien gets another chance and

892
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a mess to deal with, O'Brien's going

893
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: to be a winner. I'm telling you, I don't know

894
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: that he's even on anyone's radar. I'm telling you, if

895
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: you hear the name Bill O'Brien, my suggestion would be,

896
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: don't be so quick to eliminate him or go ough

897
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: just because he didn't get it done. As an NFL head,

898
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: coach a lot of guys winning a lot of games

899
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: in college that would flame out entirely in the NFL.

900
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: But the mel Tucker to put a bow on this,

901
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: the mel Tucker possibility, that one fascinates me.

902
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Because mel Tucker. Mel Tucker is old.

903
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: He's like in his forties or fifties, like he's been around,

904
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: he's been around a while. Only recently has he got

905
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: his shot as a head coach. And he's kind of

906
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: rocketed up a lot of people's boards pretty quickly. So

907
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: on one hand, I've told you I want someone who's

908
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: shown a long track record of sustained organizational development. Well

909
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: Meltucker doesn't have that. But Meltucker's also not a twenty

910
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: nine or thirty year old head coach. Mel Tucker's been

911
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: around some of the best. He's worked for Saban, he's

912
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: worked for Kirby Smart. Now he's doing his own thing.

913
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: And he's also shown, at least in short term, the

914
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: ability to own the transfer portal.

915
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: There's no other way to put it.

916
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: He's owned the transfer portal. I would suggest you be

917
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: patient with mel Tucker because Tucker's sample size is going

918
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: to be small no matter what mel Tucker's got a

919
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: pivotal stretch coming up.

920
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna play Michigan.

921
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: I got some big games coming up, and so most

922
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: of the juice behind Meltucker's name, like it or not,

923
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: is going to be predicated on what he's doing in

924
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. I'm not a huge fan of that formula,

925
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: but that's what it's going to be predicated on. Mel

926
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: Tucker's seriousness in the minds of many, will probably be

927
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: determined over the next month or so of this football season.

928
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: So that's where the LSU coaching search is. It's a

929
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: very good thing that there's not a lot of information

930
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: to be had out there. Okay, we got to wrap

931
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: this up, and we got to do it with best bets.

932
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: I feel too confident about these to be honest with you,

933
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: But here we go. Notre Dame minus six and a half.

934
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: That was the first game we moved on. We still

935
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: like it. At seven. They are playing host to Southern

936
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: Cal Pitt minus three. We love Pitt. They are playing

937
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 2: host to Clemson. Iowa State minus six and a half.

938
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: We love Iowa State. It goes without saying, we love

939
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 2: everybody that we're gonna bet on. I Was State minus

940
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: six and a half. We also like that one. At seven,

941
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: they are playing host to Oklahoma State Minnesota minus four.

942
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: And a half.

943
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: We also like love them, like them. I think we

944
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: love them. They are playing host a lot of home

945
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: teams here. They are playing host of Maryland and we're

946
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: taking Indiana plus twenty one at home against Ohio State

947
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: Indiana plus twenty one, Minnesota minus four and a half,

948
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: Ia State minus six and a half, Pitt minus three,

949
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: Notre Dame minus six and a half.

950
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: As I told you guys to open.

951
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: The show, I was informed yesterday that we have a

952
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: top ten football podcast in the world right now, football

953
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: meaning NFL too, and there are a lot of heavy

954
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: hitting podcast with some huge marketing money behind them.

955
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: Believe me that we have hop skipped and jumped right over.

956
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: And as you know, podcast is not even our main platform,

957
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: but it is a key platform.

958
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: You can get all the replays of the shows there.

959
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: You can get two exclusive mail bag episodes per week,

960
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: except for this week we only had one because we

961
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: did the roundtable in case you're wondering where that was

962
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: this morning. But the reason I'm saying that is because

963
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: there is no other reason for that happening than you,

964
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: we don't spend any money on it.

965
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we've never asked Colin.

966
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what would happen if we ask for

967
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: a marketing budget. We've never asked for one. You're the

968
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 2: reason we don't need one. So I put out several

969
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: thank yous per week, but a specific thank you right now,

970
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: because when you're scrolling through those worldwide charts, you're not

971
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: supposed to see a show like ours in the top ten.

972
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: We hop Tom Brady show. By the way, Tom Brady

973
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: has not had a whole lot go right for him lately,

974
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: so we're we victimized him once again. But thank you

975
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: so much for that. So I got to go watch

976
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: the Braves money pens. I'm gonna will be I'm gonna

977
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: be out of pocket for the next few hours.

978
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: So if you don't have a dog in the hunt

979
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: this late in the Major League Baseball season.

980
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: Cool for Atlanta. I'm tak Chop Chop for director Colin.

981
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: For our entire crew, I'm Josh Pate. Thanks so much.

982
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: Enjoy the games this weekend. I will see you guys

983
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: at Alabama.

984
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: I'll see you in Tuscal loose a Saturday until Sunday night,

985
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: have a great rest of your evening and God place