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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, an audio storytelling

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Speaker 2: diary about music, hosted by Buzz Night. If you like

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Speaker 2: Taking a Walk, please spread the word to your friends

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Speaker 2: and follow us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, I Heart, or

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. On this episode, Buzz is

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Speaker 2: joined by longtime Boston music critic Jim Sullivan. He's the

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Speaker 2: author of the new book Backstage and Beyond forty five

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Speaker 2: years of Classic Rock Chats and Rants. You'll hear great

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Speaker 2: stories of music history. Next with Buzz Night and Jim

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Speaker 2: Sullivan on Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 3: Jim Sullivan, It's so great to have you on Taking

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Speaker 3: a Walk in person.

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Speaker 4: Is so good to see you too, Buzz in this

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Speaker 4: lovely view calla setting of the Chestnut Hill Reservoir.

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Speaker 1: I know, I love it.

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Speaker 3: A nice day here, and we're here to celebrate Backstage

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Speaker 3: and Beyond forty five years of Classic Rock Chats and.

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Speaker 5: Rants, Volume one.

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Speaker 1: How did you choose the Chats and Rant's part?

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Speaker 4: Looking at it, I realized some were conversational. Most are conversational,

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Speaker 4: most are interviews. Most are back and forth exchanges we have,

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Speaker 4: but occasionally, people like say Jerry Lee Lewis would go

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Speaker 4: on a rant, you know, talking about when he wanted

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Speaker 4: to kill Elvis perhaps or even saying if I didn't

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Speaker 4: give him a good review, he'd kill me. Now that

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Speaker 4: was most likely a joke. He was drinking, but in

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Speaker 4: a good mood, and I think he was just pulling

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Speaker 4: my leg. I don't think I would have been one

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Speaker 4: of his victims. But there are rants too. I mean,

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Speaker 4: people kind of go off the rails here and there,

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Speaker 4: and that's kind of fun too.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we're going to come back to Jerry Lee certainly,

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Speaker 1: but I loved the book.

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Speaker 3: But I want to go through your journey just as

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Speaker 3: a sort of Boston institution, So talk about, you know,

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Speaker 3: your various stops along the way that we're all so great.

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Speaker 4: Went to college at the University of Maine, majored in

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Speaker 4: journalism and broadcasting. Had a column for The Bangor Daily

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Speaker 4: now defunct magazine called Sweet Potato, which started in Portland, Maine.

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Speaker 4: They opened a Boston branch nineteen seventy eight, which is

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Speaker 4: And you know, that's the short story of me kind

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Speaker 4: then after that, one day I woke up to find

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Speaker 4: And then this would have been started in I think

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Speaker 4: They even got the spiral staircase going down to the library, right.

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Speaker 1: And you know, chew the fat as we were having lunch.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I bet you talked a lot of golf.

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Speaker 5: What was it? The International? That's it?

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Speaker 1: That's very cool, you want to saw.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's so many great stories that people should

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Speaker 3: look forward to in the book. And the theme of

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Speaker 3: Taking a Walk is really music history. So you have

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Speaker 3: lived through music history and you write about it in

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Speaker 3: The special interviews and scenarios and experiences.

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Speaker 1: That you had.

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Speaker 4: of course sitting there thinking, Tina turn Ago, this most

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Speaker 4: And what a moment that would have been to hear

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Speaker 4: Horse and so you know, I said, so what happened

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00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 4: to that? And he said, how many how many loud

442
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 4: screaming electric guitar solos can you do?

443
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 5: Anyway? I've had it. This is where I am I'm

444
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 5: like an old town circle in the rug and I

445
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 5: found my spot and he did for a while, right.

446
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 4: And as we all know about Neil, and I think

447
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 4: probably comes through in my chapter pretty well, he finds

448
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 4: his spot, he's very committed to it, and then he

449
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: needs another spot, and then he you know, recorded some

450
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: rockabilly music and you know, he did the trend Synthesizer album.

451
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 4: I forget the lineage of it. But as we know,

452
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 4: Neil went around and through many daty different genres. He

453
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 4: kind of often and always maybe returned to crazy Horse.

454
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: I think that was kind of a bass for him.

455
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 4: And he did love that loud scream and three corn

456
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 4: rock and roll, a little messy, uh and but it

457
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 4: was it was just he was fascinating to talk to

458
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 4: because he was no hold sparred of course. And back

459
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: in the musicians starting to sponsor or sponsors signing up

460
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 4: musicians to do ads for them, and Neil of course

461
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: was adamantly against that. And he did a song riffing

462
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 4: on the This Buds for You campaign back in the

463
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 4: day called this Songs.

464
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 5: For You or this Notes for You, This Notes for You,

465
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 5: I think it was.

466
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 4: And he was just you know, very much against that

467
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: idea that musicians should quote unquote you know, sell their

468
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 4: soul for commercial needs. Things have changed, obviously, not with Neil.

469
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 4: I don't think he's ever done anything or ever would,

470
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 4: but as we know, the way the paradigm has changed,

471
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 4: and music musicians really have to make money through any

472
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 4: means necessary now that CD and LP sales are not

473
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: what they were, and you know, placing a song in

474
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 4: a movie or a TV show or doing an advert,

475
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 4: as Bob Dylan will tell you, I can bring in

476
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: a lot of cash and it doesn't really I guess

477
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 4: damage the artist's reputation as much as it maybe did

478
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: in the day or maybe when Neil was talking about

479
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 4: it back when, I think people just kind of shrug

480
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 4: and go, well, we understand that's the way of the

481
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 4: world now. And when you see your famous rocker that

482
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 4: you revere selling I don't know what's whatever product they

483
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 4: are signed up to sell, you know, you just gotta go, okay,

484
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: you got to make your money somehow.

485
00:24:59,520 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 5: I accept.

486
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of that, I want to get your perspective

487
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: on artists selling catalogs.

488
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: How do you take that?

489
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: Do you think that's ultimately you know from your perspective

490
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: going to.

491
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: Keep proving to be of tremendous value. But what's your

492
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: take on that world?

493
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: I would say so, I mean the number of artists

494
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: who have done it as they have hit there.

495
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 5: Well, what seventies mostly yep.

496
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: You know it's money, big money for a lot of them.

497
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 4: Well it's a pause when left Cadre comes.

498
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 5: By, you know.

499
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 4: Satra said, Hell are other people, but these don't seem

500
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: like bad people.

501
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: Well unlike the Cormorant family out there anyway.

502
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: Oh, well, he's not bad, he's good. He's just fishing.

503
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: Hut, he's awesome.

504
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 5: Oh, I like corners. Let's see where was I? Oh,

505
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 5: catalog skills?

506
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think they see it as both

507
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: retirement money and money for their family, investment money. And

508
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 4: you know they're not going to live forever, and why

509
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 4: not take advantage of that and come up with a

510
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 4: big chunk of cash that will benefit their family probably

511
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 4: for generations to come. And you know, of course, you

512
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 4: know when the music is out of their hands, well,

513
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 4: but it can go anywhere, you know.

514
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: And I'm skeptical of the valuations holding up. I just am.

515
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

516
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 5: They do seem asterronomical, don't they.

517
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: I will, I grant you that, I mean, but yeah,

518
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: I don't know predicting the future on that one.

519
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 5: It's just too tough.

520
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: Let's talk about a man I'm sure you might have

521
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: encountered once or twice or three hundred times Peter Wolf.

522
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, our brother from another mother.

523
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, many many times. And going back to when I

524
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 4: was a kid and growing up in Orno, slash Bangalor

525
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: Nain Mangoraudatorium was the only place people can and do concerts,

526
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: and the Jay Giles band was pretty much our house

527
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: band in that sense. I can't tell you how many

528
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 4: times they played there, but a simple answer would be

529
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 4: a lot.

530
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 5: And I did not miss one of them.

531
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 4: And it was astonishing the energy and the vibe and

532
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: this sound, and it's just the way it all clicked.

533
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm young and I'm seeing this and going, wow,

534
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 5: this isn't great? Is it always that great?

535
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: And I had this conversation years later with Joe Perry

536
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: from Arrowsmith. He too was fe years older than me,

537
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 4: but he had that kind of experience too, seeing Giles,

538
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: and he was telling me, he said, you see them

539
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 4: right away and you think everything's like this and then

540
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 4: you realize it isn't they are just a kind above

541
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 4: or more than that the rest. And he, you know,

542
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: he was very umpulting, kind of devaluing Arrowsmith's Bad Boys

543
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 4: of Boston tag and saying, no, Giles man really is

544
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 4: you know, I mean he was very much passing that uh,

545
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: passing that mantle onto them. And you know, I I

546
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: guess I started interviewing them, uh probably first even college,

547
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 4: writing for Sweet Potato magazine and spending some time backstage

548
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 4: with the gang and uh.

549
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: You know, mostly Wolf, I guess he was the voice.

550
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 4: And you know Steve, he's a mercurial guy, as I'm

551
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 4: sure you well know, has his up moods, has his

552
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: down moods, is a great both historian and babbler. And

553
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: I don't mean babbler in a bad way. You know

554
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: his radio Patoisse DJ patois, which I won't even attempt

555
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 4: to will you ever ever? Yeah, So, I mean it

556
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: was in some ways, I don't know if it was

557
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: ground floor material, but it was one of the bands

558
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: I wrote about often and got to know quite well

559
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: in the early days of me doing this and then

560
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: and you know, subsequent interviews over the years for various outlets.

561
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 5: And he's the best.

562
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: You know, he's you know, gone on to do what

563
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: can be a difficult thing. I mean, he left the

564
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: band when they were at the peak of their popularity

565
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: and launched a solo career that didn't hit the jagawes

566
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: Man heights of their popularity.

567
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 5: But proved to be a very successful.

568
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: Thing with Duke Levine one of the best guitarists in

569
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: the world in his band Midnight Travelers.

570
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 5: And you know, he's gone on to play.

571
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: He plays theaters and large clubs, and his energy is

572
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: still there. He doesn't what he doesn't do is do

573
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 4: you remember he used to do that jumping frog thing. Yes,

574
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: let's say that's right. He doesn't do that. I mean

575
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: when I saw him last, No, I can't do that anymore.

576
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 4: But Jesus, he's got energy and I mean this is

577
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 4: like zero body fat, right, And you know, so he

578
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: really puts everything into it. And I do believe he's

579
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: finally getting the book together.

580
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 6: When I saw something him doing re edits or something, yeah, sitting.

581
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: By Yeah, I know in his backyard.

582
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: People have been nagging him for years because of all

583
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 4: the people he knows from Ben Morrison to the Stones

584
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: to God, you know, old blues guys everybody, and I think, uh.

585
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's coming at some point. I don't

586
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 5: know what. I did ask him about it once.

587
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: I said, so, you know, and we've all read rock

588
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: and roll bios and memoirs, is it going to be

589
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: salacious at all? And he said, no, No, he's not

590
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: going to be telling stories of drugs and drinking debauchery.

591
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe a little bit, but not extensively.

592
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: There's got to be a tidy pit.

593
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 4: There'll be some, I'm sure, but I think it's more

594
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: about the connections he made and the friends he made,

595
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: and you know, the fact that you look at it and.

596
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 5: He's kind of a Zelig of rock and roll, doesn't

597
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 5: he He is.

598
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: He's just sort of been everywhere and continues to be everywhere.

599
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: He's one of the greatest storytellers too. He really is

600
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: like just some mesber every time he tells a story.

601
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 5: I know, you.

602
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: Know who was the first person that you ever interviewed?

603
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: That is in the intro.

604
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: Of the book, Backstage and Beyond Its slayed the glam

605
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: rock man from England. Wolverhampton, England, working class towns city

606
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: they were last on a triple bill. It was easy

607
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: top Headline, bangor Maine. Again, I was not yet a writer.

608
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: I was doing this for my college radio station, taping

609
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: an interview with them and putting it on air, was

610
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: putting music into it. And Andrew gavantzis who we all

611
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: know there, was the concert promoter back then and may

612
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 4: helped get me in the door backstage story.

613
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 5: There was much less of.

614
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 4: Passes and access and layers to get through in those days,

615
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: and I was a neophyte of course, carrying a tape

616
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: deck with me and meeting guys who were kind of

617
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: my heroes. Because even though no one virtually knew them

618
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: in the United States and they played a half hour

619
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: set to a lukewarm reception except in my little corner,

620
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 4: they were huge in England. They had hit after head

621
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: after head And because of my reading of magazines like

622
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: Rock Scene and Cream and Circus, I picked up on

623
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: the Bonding albums and you know, they were really right

624
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: up at the top of my list at the time,

625
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: at the hands I listened to all the time. So

626
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: for me, I'm kind of going into it, you know,

627
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: meeting these guys at Revere.

628
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 5: But when they see me.

629
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: They're just so happy to have an American journalist, and

630
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 4: I guess I should put bunny quotes around them because

631
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: I was.

632
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 5: A fledgling journalist at that time.

633
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: I want to talk to them and knew who they

634
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: were and ask them questions about their songs that I knew,

635
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: and where they'd been, which I knew.

636
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: And the bonding was just it couldn't have been better.

637
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: You couldn't have asked for a better entree into the

638
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 4: world I would later enter full time. And you know,

639
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: there were beers, drunken stories told, and they made me

640
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: feel like one of the gang. And I mean, that's

641
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: kind of what slave songs did. Anyway, let's make the

642
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 4: listener feel a part of it and in person. Same

643
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: thing and two memorable quotes that I remember. I mean,

644
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: the tape is a long lost to the winds of

645
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: time or maybe you would know this in radio, the

646
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: sound the waves go.

647
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 5: Out and go on forever.

648
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: Right, It's correct, So it's some some alien might be

649
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: listening to this right.

650
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: Now, absolutely, okay, just like Sammy alien might be listening

651
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: to this podcast.

652
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: Sometime yea millennium down the road. Anyway, what was the

653
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: two things I remember? I asked Naughty Holder, the singer,

654
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: and I said, yeah, I love that name. By the way,

655
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: it's a great name, what a great rock and roll name.

656
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 4: And he was the one with a mirrored cap, mirrored

657
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: top hand. And I asked him and said, so, you

658
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: know you've been doing this for a few years.

659
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: Do you so get excited every night on the stage?

660
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 5: He goes, oh, I do my jeans a stiff as able?

661
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: I'm sure your listeners get that. And the other question

662
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 4: I remember asking him answering. They did a cover of

663
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: John Sebastian's Darling Be Home Soon on their Slate alive

664
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 4: record Fabulous version seven minutes or so something like that,

665
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 4: and they do a great vamp, you know, near the

666
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: end of it, boom boom boom, and in the middle

667
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: of that vamp, vamp naught. He just lets out this

668
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: but and then the vamp continues. And you know, when

669
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: I listened to it at home when I got the record,

670
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: I go, that's pretty funny, humorous. Interesting. So I asked him,

671
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: I said, was that planned? And he said, no, no,

672
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: just happened. And he didn't take it out.

673
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 5: No why, But.

674
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: The thing is he worked, it worked, and I mean

675
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: it's a great passionate song, Darling come Home so and

676
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 4: then you know the break is just sort of gut

677
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 4: a burn. Okay, then back in the song, I just

678
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: I mean, that was so humanizing to me.

679
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: Yea.

680
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

681
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 4: And anyway, I caught up with Dave Phil the guitar

682
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: player years later, actually a few years ago, and I

683
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: included some of what we talked about in the book

684
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 4: intro and you know, just kind of recall that time

685
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 4: way back when, and I thanked him, said hey, you

686
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 4: don't know it, but your warrant a large ass and

687
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: acceptance kind of brought me into what I ended up

688
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: doing for most of my life.

689
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 5: But did that experience sort of shape you.

690
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: To be able to create this connection with some of

691
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: your subjects that you know happens through and through in

692
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: the book.

693
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 5: Yes, I think I'm a good interviewer.

694
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: And I think part of that is I do the

695
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 4: research and I have an idea where I want to

696
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 4: go with the interview, but I also listen to the answers,

697
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: and if the answers go in a different place and

698
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: it's interesting.

699
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 5: I follow that there too. And I think, you know.

700
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: In a simple way, the key is to try to

701
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: get on the artist's wavelength, whatever that might be. And

702
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: you know, with just mentioned Jerry Lee again for a second.

703
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 4: With him, he was drinking whiskey with him and firing

704
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: things back and forth, jokes, quips, some serious shit, some

705
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 4: stuff about how he's gonna get He was wondering whether

706
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: he's going to go to heaven or hell, and all

707
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: that stuff. And then say with Roy Orbison, where you

708
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: know he's had this sort of a spiritual kind of

709
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: thing and a serious kind of thing going on to

710
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: it and in between. I mean, all kinds of different

711
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: moods atmospheres, but you try to get a sense for

712
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: where they're coming from and try to live on that

713
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 4: same turf.

714
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 5: I think, and I do think that shows in the book.

715
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: I mean, there are many genres represented in many different

716
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: tones in the book, from you know, serious to humorous

717
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 4: to you know, anecdotal, you know, some profound, some trivial.

718
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: But I got the feeling that many times artists would

719
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 4: open up to me, would they say things they wouldn't

720
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 4: say to others. I don't know. I'm sure some of

721
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: the stuff went everywhere. You know, when you're doing an interview,

722
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 4: you say certain things over and over. I guess, but

723
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: I really did get the sense often there was an

724
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: intimacy that was there and a trust that was there, and.

725
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 5: It just sort of.

726
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: Peter Hooke the he's in the second book New Order

727
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: Joy Division bass Player. He just sent me a blurb

728
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: for the second book. It's very funny. Hooky and I've

729
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 4: known each other for years and get on well. And

730
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: of course, as male friends do, they take the piss

731
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: out of each other, and he did a little bit

732
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 4: of that. I forget the exact words, but he was

733
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: also very good about saying Jenna's never been afraid to

734
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 4: say to the effective say when you know, when we suck,

735
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 4: He'll say we sucked.

736
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 5: You know, you know, no holds part there.

737
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 4: But then you know, Jim has been a friend for

738
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: years and years, and you know, like he's writing or

739
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: something like that.

740
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 5: And I kind of like that, I mean like that,

741
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 5: yeah he says it. Well yeah. Well.

742
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: The other one that really struck me too in that regard,

743
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: in a different sense, is the connection that you developed

744
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: with Warren's Zvonne that you you know, write about and

745
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 3: shared the experience in the well.

746
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: Years and years.

747
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: First time seventy eight Berkeley Performance Center, he was drunk.

748
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 5: I came down from nine to see the show.

749
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: I was a big fan that first album, the Electro

750
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: Asylum album.

751
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 5: And it wasn't a horrible show.

752
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 4: It was just sloppy and he was drunk and he

753
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: had a cup of clear liquid. He kept drunking all night.

754
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 4: Went backstage to say, I dunk Warren. So it's kind

755
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 4: of just hi, Hey, you know, hi and by and

756
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 4: I interviewed him for real three years later at the Globe.

757
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: I guess, first real interview, you know, first real interview

758
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 4: with him, and I reminded him of our first meeting

759
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: and then I said what I just said here and

760
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 4: he said, yeah, that figures. When I asked if you

761
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 4: remembered it, and he said, no, you know, that was him,

762
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: That was him at the time. We uh again, uh

763
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 4: that wavepoint thing. Uh, we found it.

764
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 5: Uh.

765
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: We shared a similar ry, dark sense of humor, uh,

766
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: love of books and reading.

767
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 5: And there was a point.

768
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: In our relationship actually where uh we'd call I'd call

769
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 4: him out. I had his home number at the time

770
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 4: and we just kind of talked books mostly and I

771
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: loved that and you know, I it it was It

772
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 4: was great to bring it out of rock and roller

773
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 4: beyond rock and roll at times, and you know he

774
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: his career obviously had ups and downs. And you know,

775
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: most people think he peeked with or Wolves of London

776
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: and that's all they know. And the people who followed

777
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: him know this is so much more. This always that

778
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: debate about rock and roll Hall of Fame, which I

779
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 4: don't want to get into now cause it's kind of superfluous.

780
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 4: Uh Nope, didn't make it this year once again. But

781
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: the body of work that he created is just some

782
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 4: of the best, again, ranging from the humorous and and

783
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 4: quick witted rhyme schemes, subject matter.

784
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 5: That could be historical or it could be could be well.

785
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 4: I mean obviously you know funny funny, he did funny,

786
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: but he I remember he was There was a record

787
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: I think it was Sentimental Hygiene where we were talking

788
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: about that and he said, you know, Jim, I decided

789
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: not to do funny this time.

790
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: I just decided, look, if we're gonna do dark, let's

791
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 5: go dark, and let's do it all the way. It

792
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 5: was like, Yeah.

793
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 4: There was a song run Straight Down he did with

794
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 4: Pink Floyd's David Gilmore that was very much that about.

795
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: You know, the Apocalypse on the Way or something. And

796
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 4: you know, his his.

797
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 5: His range was phenomenal.

798
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: He was a terrific pianist, a functional guitarist, and a

799
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: great entertainer in that even when the money dried up

800
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: and he couldn't bring a band to join him, he

801
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: played solo tours and he would pack the Paradise time

802
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: and time again, and Boss and he would often do

803
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: it during the winter and then he'd go up to

804
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: Maine and play ski lodges. You know, there was money

805
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: to be made, and he was a working musician and yeah,

806
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: I had a lot of respect for that. And you know,

807
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: he knew where his status was. It wasn't what it

808
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: once was or would ever be again. But you know,

809
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: he worked at his craft continually, and you know, he

810
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 4: made friends, he made enemies, and the chapter's got a

811
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 4: few of those things in it. There's some tough stuff

812
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: in there. He had a relapse in his alcoholism toward

813
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: the end. And Carl Hayes and the terrific novelist Miami

814
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 4: was a friend and co writer with three songs with

815
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 4: Warren and I talked to Carl, I think around twenty ten,

816
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: and he told me about some of the final days

817
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: that he was privy to or what he knew about.

818
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 4: There's some heroin tales Warren did put out for however

819
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 4: he did it, I don't know, to put out a

820
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 4: just tremendous final record and with knocking on Heaven's door

821
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: on it, I mean, the most profound version you'll ever

822
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: hear of that, I think, considering where he was in

823
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 4: his life, and you know, I I think according to

824
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 4: what I know anyway, he was convinced to kind of

825
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 4: put the the booze aside at the end because these

826
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 4: kids wouldn't want to see him go out like that.

827
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: And I think he he did do that. I didn't

828
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 4: know him really in the drinking days. One of the

829
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: problems that I think it was Hayesen who told me this,

830
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: was that once he started drinking again, he had some

831
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: of those people who never drank with him but wanted to,

832
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: and they said, hey, Warren's drinking again, let's go get

833
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: drunk with Horn and he'd let him in and they'd

834
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: drink and enabling I guess that's the word. And that

835
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: wasn't good for anybody. But when I knew him the bulk,

836
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 4: I mean, he was you know, in the in the program.

837
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 4: And Uh. The funny anecdote that's in the in the

838
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 4: book from that is we were a Musso and Frank

839
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: and Hollywood Ellie lunch, you know, doing an interview, and

840
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 4: I sat sat down and we ordered our drinks in

841
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: order to die coke, and I ordered a beer and

842
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: immediately after ordering it, somewhat aware of a protocol or whatever,

843
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 4: I said, Oh shit, should I not have done that?

844
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, yeah, he had, Jim, you're ordering

845
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 4: a beer. There goes all those years of sobriety because

846
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: you're having a beer in front of me. And it's like, good,

847
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: good answer, Fine, thanks, I'll have my beer.

848
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 5: That's all right.

849
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: So it's a great segment, so many great segments in

850
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 3: the book. So, Jim, if there was one trait of

851
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: all of the guests that you know that you had

852
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: on you know, in the book spend.

853
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: Time with multiple times.

854
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: If there's one trade of these artists that is one thing,

855
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: thread of consistency, what would it be.

856
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 4: Well, there's thirty one chapters in the first volume. The

857
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: Kinks have two one devoted to Dave and one devoted

858
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 4: to Bray because he really had to separate them, keep

859
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 4: them separated. As they often were when they went to concerts.

860
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 4: They never wrote in the same limo together, they worked

861
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 4: on stage together. They were brothers, They loved each other,

862
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 4: they hated each other. But in terms of a trait

863
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 4: that would run through all of them, Oh that I

864
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: don't know, because there's so many different personalities and so

865
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: many different people at different phases of their life.

866
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 5: And one thing.

867
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 4: About this book they kind of make this clear at

868
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 4: the beginning is these are not complete biographies of any

869
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 4: of these people. These are moments in time or extended

870
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: moments in time, and this is where they were at

871
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 4: and where I was at at that time. And thus,

872
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: you know, you see Ray Davies, for instance, in a

873
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 4: very reflective mood in the first interview and very so

874
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: recriminating in some ways, castigating himself for some of the

875
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 4: errors he'd made and bad decisions he made over the years.

876
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: You know, and I have had ours say after an

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Speaker 4: interview it was kind of like therapy.

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Speaker 5: Good. I think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not a therapist, nor do I know

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Speaker 4: play one on TV.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I guess I asked questions.

882
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 4: That maybe we're penetrating or led to deeper thought than

883
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: you know, do you think You're next song is going

884
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Speaker 4: to be a hit? And I think they appreciated that

885
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 4: and came back most of the time with something good.

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Speaker 4: Occasionally I'm going off topic a little bit, but this

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00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 4: is kind of funny. Occasionally I'd pissed somebody off. I

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00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 4: interviewed one of the Judas Priest guitarists before the singer,

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00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 4: Rob Halford came out as gay. That was I don't

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00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: know ten years after that, but the gay imagery was

891
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 4: all over their songs directly covers Rob's appearance and his

892
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Speaker 4: motorcycle and his leather.

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Speaker 1: I think he's still riding the motorcycle, Sure he is.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious he wouldn't give that up as the trademark anyway.

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Speaker 4: So you know, at the end of the interview, and

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Speaker 4: I knew I had to ask this. At the end,

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Speaker 4: I forgets it was Glenn or Kk, one of the

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Speaker 4: guitar players. I said, very kind of innocently, Rob is gay, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm listening to the songs and looking at

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Speaker 4: the album covers. Hang up, and then when they slash,

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Speaker 4: Rob decided it was safe to come out of the closet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, then it was fine. You know they talk about it.

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00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure fine, and you know

904
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Speaker 4: when the audience proved it very accepting of it, like

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Speaker 4: we don't care. But I guess maybe at that point

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Speaker 4: in time, you know, it was a dicey issue, and

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Speaker 4: Rob himself hadn't come out, so I'm sure the guitar

908
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Speaker 4: has felt he wouldn't be the one to break it.

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Speaker 4: And I think he was kind of stunned by the question.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know, we just had a good talking

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00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 4: now you're asking me this.

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Speaker 5: Click click, yeah, sorry, it made for good copy.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 6: Congratulations on the book show, Thank you, thanks, but beyond.

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Speaker 1: It's a great ride. It's a great read and I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it and looking forward to Volume two.

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Speaker 5: What is that going to should be out in October.

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Speaker 5: It's the way the way it's kind of set up.

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Speaker 4: Volume one is artists who started in the fifties through

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Speaker 4: artists who started in the early mid seventies. Volume two

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Speaker 4: takes off around the mid seventies artists who begin then,

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Speaker 4: which is to say, it's sort of the punk post

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Speaker 4: punk new way there now. Some of the artists in

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Speaker 4: Volume one, Iggy Pop and Lou read Roxy Music David

925
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 4: Bowie certainly influenced the generations to come, but they got

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Speaker 4: their start back when the second volume deals with Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the people that were inspired by that and formed this

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Speaker 4: thing punk rock, which had many different variants, of course,

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Speaker 4: but led to an explosion of taste and emotion and

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Speaker 4: a different sound of that era. It's not all exclusively that,

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Speaker 4: but that's generally how the books are broken up. My

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Speaker 4: hope is that readers will be interested in both. You know,

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Speaker 4: mirror my own interest in music of all genres from

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Speaker 4: all ears. And you know that's the as we were

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Speaker 4: talking about earlier. That's kind of your idea too, right,

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Speaker 4: You like a lot of different stuff, doesn't matter where

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Speaker 4: it came from.

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Speaker 1: Try to be as broad as we can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look forward to having you had to talk

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Speaker 3: about volume two.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to do that too.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good. Thanks for taking a walk, Kim.

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed it. Thanks for us

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Speaker 2: Taking a walk with Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts.