1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Baritune Day Thurston and this is how to 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: citizen with Baritune Day in season two. We're talking about 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: the money, because, to be real, it's hard to citizen 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: when we can barely pay the bills. Many years after 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: I graduated from college, like maybe ten, I started noticing 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: types of mail showing up and it was about how 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: to fix your credit. We can help you consolidate your debt. 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: And I was like, what, this is a very particular 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: type of spam. What what are you trying to tell me? World? 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: And uh, I decided to like look up my credits core. 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Oh dear lord. The amount of red that I saw 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: it was there was this one card that I kind 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: of forgot about because it was after my mom died, 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: and I got very distracted and I was like, I 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: don't pay bills anymore. I cried, That's what I do. 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: And then when I stopped crying, I didn't remember to 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: go pay the bills. I just I was like I 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: moved forward as well. I don't look back. And I 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 1: was ashamed because I was like, I got this college degree, 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm twenty something years old. I am a full grown up, 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: you know. I signed a lease rate I owned a 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: car for a minute, I'm doing this adulting thing, and 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: I felt really alone because I thought I was supposed 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: to know. I thought I was supposed to be better 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: and have done better until I've met a good friend 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: of mine who also had a college degree and he 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: had a terrible credit score too. Oh that was that 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: was an interesting reunion. We're like, yo, you have terrible 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: credit who's embarrassing their family? This guy? Know? This guy? 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: That's me. That's me who should have been better but 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: isn't doing better. Oh that's YouTube. Wait, so we're not 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: so alone in all these feelings. Well, that's actually pretty cool. 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: We shared that shame, which made it feel less like shame, 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: and we made some fun of it, and then we 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: got to working on it together. My point is the 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: economy we're living in makes us all feel alone, the 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: same way my credit score made me feel alone. So 38 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: many of us feel ashamed and embarrassed, and sometimes we 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: even feel like it's our neighbor's fault that things are 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: so bad. In other words, isolation and shame lead to division. 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: But the truth is we're not alone. That's what we 42 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: made this season for. How do we bring a different 43 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: story of this economy to life. I wanted to understand 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: the forces that stop us from being able to show 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: up as citizens. This wealth and equality built on racial exclusion, 46 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: fueled by a corporate consolidation of power, resulting and growing 47 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: numbers of people who are overworked, underpaid, and undersupport with it. 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to understand all that and talk to the 49 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: people who are moving us forward into a more united, 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: equitable future where we could all pay the bills, where 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: we can all citizens. And I think we did that. 52 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: I know we missed many things. We couldn't cover everything. 53 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: We didn't talk about overseas tax shelters, we didn't talk 54 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: about the massive economic impact of the climate crisis. But 55 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: the point wasn't to gather every piece of the public. 56 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: The point was to paint a bigger picture, to tell 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: a bigger story of an economy that could work to 58 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: benefit us all. And by pursuing this bigger story, I 59 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: learned that this wealth and equality that's aparated in us 60 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: its roots run deep into our past. Our original economic 61 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: model was stolen people, stolen land, and stolen labor, And 62 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: in order to justify that within a Christian society, they 63 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: had to make those people who were being stolen less 64 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: than human back to what Heather McGee calls this zero 65 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: sum worldview, this US versus them mentality that for one 66 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: to win, another has gotta lose, and it's designed to 67 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: keep everybody in their place. And the model was, I profit, 68 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: you lose. You don't get to share any of the 69 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: games of your land, your effort, your labor, nothing. But 70 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: even then this was the real like aha for me. 71 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Even then, that worst possible economic model only truly maximally 72 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: benefited a narrow elite back then of white people. Wealthy 73 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: white folks created a story, a story designed to exclude 74 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: people of color and to distract the poor white folks 75 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: from what was really going on. And so that white 76 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: slave owning, landowning elite had to convince the far more numerous, landless, 77 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: indentured white folks who were sitting there in the you know, 78 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: rocky fields alongside the black folks, that they were better 79 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: than the person down the row, and that in fact, 80 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: justice or freedom for black folks would be a threat 81 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: to white folks period. The I of course, always knew 82 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: our country is built on racism. I'm very much on 83 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: the record saying that. But I've got to say, I 84 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: was surprised to hear from just about everybody that a 85 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: major point in our country's history of racist economics was 86 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: also this era that our history books tend to paint 87 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: as a time of tremendous growth and prosperity for Americans. 88 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: The New Deal, the New Deal, the New Deal. There 89 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: was New Deal, policies of the New Deal, labor laws, 90 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: the Party of the New Deal for white Americans. The 91 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: New Deal was the Democratic Party's response to the Great 92 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: Depression in the nineteen thirties, where we put these foundational, 93 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: sweeping policies and in place to try to reset and 94 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: adjust our economy and our democracy for the next phase. 95 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: Tens of millions of people made a working class into 96 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: the middle class through this massive economic expansion. It included 97 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: protections for the right to organize a union, social security 98 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: and other assistance for people on hard times, strong anti 99 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: monopoly policies, subsidization of housing. We had these state funded 100 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: colleges in every state. It was just sort of this 101 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: period of time where everything kind of aligned to make 102 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. And 103 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: it was social movements that created the context for that. 104 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: Workers everyday people organizing it sounds like the American dream. 105 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: It sounds like the American dream. Ding ding ding, You 106 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: got that's it, that was it, that was when we 107 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: had it, you know. But the question is who was 108 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: the week? And so much of what I just described 109 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: was done from a federal policy level in an explicitly 110 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: racially exclusive way. This thing we celebrate should probably be 111 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: called the New Deal for white Americans because a lot 112 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: of us were deliberately excluded, which reinforced that us versus 113 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: them worldview that started with the slave owning elite in 114 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: the first place. So white people got to move up 115 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: while people of color will. We remain stuck, but as 116 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: we always have, we fought to be included. We see 117 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: America through the eyes of someone who has been the 118 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: victim of Americans. We don't see any American dreams. We've experienced, 119 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: only the American night movie. We do not want our 120 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: freedom graduate, but we want to be fret now all realization. 121 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: It takes dedication, It takes the willingness to stand by 122 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: and do what has to be done when it has 123 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: to be done. We had the Civil rights movement pushing 124 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: for everyone to get in on that American dream, on 125 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: that liberty and justice for all. But they have always 126 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: been those resisting that progress. And you think that that pushback, 127 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: that that racism would only hurt the intended targets a 128 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: k a. Black people, But the crazy truth is white 129 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: folks were so determined to exclude Black Americans that they 130 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: actually sabotaged themselves. There's one wild example. I can't stop 131 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: thinking about. The town's drained the public pools, rather than 132 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: integrate them, took the water out, backed up trucks of dirt, 133 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: dumped it in, paved it, over seated it with grass. 134 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: In my governery, Alabama, they closed the entire Parks and 135 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: Recreation department. They sold off the animals in the zoo, 136 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: all to avoid sharing it with black folks. And then 137 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: this guy shows up, Ronald Reagan. Do solemnly swear that 138 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: I will faithfully execute the office of President of the 139 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: United States. Ronald Reagan, he was a Republican heavy hitter, 140 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: the former governor of California, and he basically came in 141 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: with a big business mentality rolling back the social programs 142 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: of the New Deal, and he was very, very successful 143 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: at doing that. The ideas essentially were bigger and bigger 144 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: industries that are ever more efficient and can put out 145 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: more stuff for less money. At the University of California, 146 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: college was free for everyone. Why did that get rolled back? 147 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan was governor. He didn't like that they're all 148 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: these protesters at Berkeley. He didn't like the beginning of 149 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: the black power movement at Merritt College campus, and he 150 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: said this, it shouldn't be subsidizing curiosity. I remember seeing 151 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: evictions and plant closures and members of my family losing 152 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: jobs and benign neglect. That was when you started to 153 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: see a lot of money and resources pulled out of 154 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: urban cities, urban programs, and that is really what accelerated 155 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,479 Speaker 1: urban decline and the loss of value in urban communities. 156 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: He cut all kinds of things. He cut policies that 157 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: were designed to better resolve He cut urban programs creating 158 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: this benign neglect, cut publicly funded higher education out of spite, 159 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: and changed our anti monopoly policies. Selling us this story, 160 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: which is fitting for a man who never quite fully 161 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: left Hollywood, selling us this bootstrap narrative that if you 162 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: just try hard enough, if if you alone wanted bad enough, 163 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: you alone can make it on your own that you 164 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: already have everything you need to succeed. If you just 165 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: want to succeed badly enough, and your failure to succeed, 166 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: that's yours alone. You shouldn't need anybody else's help. There 167 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: is this moralism associated with poverty, where we believe in 168 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: individuals who are poor are bad people, or they're not 169 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: capable people, they're not as smart as we have not 170 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: looked at or examined the systems, so that make it 171 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: virtually impossible for individuals to move up the economic latter. 172 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: So much of what we know today is tied up 173 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: in what we've been taught for so long with somebody 174 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: else told us. When I first spoke with Jamila Medley, 175 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: she told me we have to heal from individualism. M hmm, 176 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: what a scrumptious and true statement. Individualism as an illness 177 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: really stuck with me. We're told all our lives, get 178 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: an education, find a well paying job, buy your house, 179 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: start a family, do this, do that, And all I'm 180 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: hearing is me, me, me, me, me, figure it out, 181 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: do it all by yourself. And then I remember what 182 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: Heather said, two people in a cold room, one's got 183 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: a coat, one doesn't. But if they just sort of 184 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: joined together and like shouldered open the door, then walked 185 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: out into the sun where it's seventy degrees. They both 186 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: be good, you know, but it's the boss that keeps 187 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: them in the cold room. Imagine if we dropped the 188 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: individualism and work together, things could get a whole lot 189 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: better for all of us. When some of us lose, 190 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: we all lose. When we work together, we can all win. 191 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: And you could say that this idea goes back way 192 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: earlier than Reagan, way earlier than the New Deal. We 193 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: can take it all the way back to something Astra 194 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: Taylor told me about the ancient Greeks. The word idiot 195 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: actually comes from the ancient Greek as well. Idiotis and 196 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: it didn't mean that you were dumb or uneducated. What 197 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: it actually meant was that you were a private person. 198 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: You're only concerned with yourself. So in ancient Athens, the 199 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: worst thing could be was an idiot. And once we 200 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: change our mindset and stop looking just at this separate 201 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: world of us and them, seeing ourselves as individuals instead 202 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: see ourselves as part of a week that we benefit 203 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: when everybody does by definition, that's when we can start 204 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: to do some real cool stuff. We can have new 205 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: models of business that served the many, not just the few. 206 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: So this is a model for how to cement ourselves 207 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: as citizens. After the break we talk solutions. So clearly, 208 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: our economy has some issues racism, division, all the money 209 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: flowing right into the pockets of Mr Bezos, and this 210 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: extreme wealth inequality that's been plaguing our nation for decades. 211 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: But if there's one thing I learned this season, it's 212 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: that people are coming out swinging. There are people working 213 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: hard to citizen and to create new models that make 214 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: it possible for all of us to thrive. And as 215 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: I started looking at some of these incredible new models, 216 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: I noticed that they were accounting for something that feels 217 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: very far away from capital e economics. They were focusing 218 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: on human needs, on the fact that in order for 219 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: the economy to thrive, people need to thrive too. First, 220 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: you need space, like a space of your own, physical space, 221 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: a mental space to feel like you belong, like you've 222 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: got room to grow. When you're tied down to debt, 223 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: trust me, it's impossible to feel that sense of space. 224 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: It's impossible to pay the rent or educational opportunities or 225 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: health expenses when you are burdened by that lack of space. 226 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: You don't have time to ground yourself, to plant yourself, 227 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: to think about growing into something more. You're too busy surviving. 228 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: Nony Sessions saw firsthand what happens when people lose that 229 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: sense of physical space called home, without land, without permanence, 230 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: the path in the future go up and smoke, They disappear. 231 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: There's nothing to connect you to before, and there's there's 232 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: very little the ground YouTube after. Nony is a third 233 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: generation West Oaklander, a community that's been assaulted by gentrification, 234 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: or what she calls accelerated racialized displacement. As she's watched 235 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: countless evictions, the encampments of houseless Oaklanders get larger and larger, 236 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: and big developers swarm their way in. She realized that 237 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the solution was ownership, and that her community was vulnerable 238 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: because her community didn't own their land. So she created 239 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: eb PRECK, the East Bay Permanent real Estate Cooperative. This 240 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: fights gentrification in West Oakland by buying up real estate 241 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: and historically black and brown communities and then collectively owning 242 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: and managing those properties democratically. So this is a model 243 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: for how to cement ourselves as citizens structurally. So ownership 244 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: permanent is critical for culture building, identity building, the building 245 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: of futures. Ownership gives us room to breathe. And there's 246 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: this thing that I've felt through all of these conversations 247 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: about the power of place and community, about being grounded 248 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: somewhere and having a platform from which to launch, to 249 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: become more, to become citizens, to citizens not just legally, 250 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: but in a community sense, to feel connect did to 251 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: other people, to feel valued with and buy other people 252 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: in a way that isn't captured by dollars. It's captured 253 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: by something else, something Richer small business owner and distiller 254 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: Maria Strada remembers that feeling so clearly. When the pandemic 255 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: hit her community in Bushwick, I started realizing that people 256 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: did love us in a way, which is something I 257 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: didn't really recognize. When COVID hit Marie's distillery, Moto Spirits 258 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: turned around and started making hand sanitizer to supply hospitals 259 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: and to keep her community safe. And when Marie needed 260 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: her neighbors to show up, they did. Everyone was reaching 261 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: back out to us, the relationships that we had initially 262 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: fostered with random things like motorcycles and dogs, and they 263 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: just came, you know, everyone just said okay, well we're 264 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: gonna do this. Or bartenders came and we did this 265 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: bartending event once this competition, and they reached out and 266 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: they said, hey, how about if we do you know, 267 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: a special cocktail thing for you online and then we 268 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: can you know, give that money to a certain organization. 269 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: So that's that's how we've been doing things. Now, I 270 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: gotta say hearing how Mri showed up for her community 271 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: in its time of need challenge. The way I often 272 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: think about businesses, like our US concept of how a 273 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: business works tends to involve the image of cost cutting 274 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: and operating opportunistically, competitively and above all, capitalistically to maximize profits. 275 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: I think about CEOs get the basils who make piles 276 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: of money while workers fight for a livable minimum wage. 277 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: But so many guests really elevated my idea of what 278 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: a successful community centered business should and can look like. 279 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: Jamila Medley has seen the cooperative ownership model working for 280 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: hundreds of years. But what exactly is a cooperative? Like? 281 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: What's a co op? I thought I knew, but I 282 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: really didn't. So a co op has two components. One 283 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: is the association of people who come together. They identified 284 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: that they have a shared need economic, social, cultural, and 285 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: they determined that they want to democratically own an enterprise together, 286 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: and so they create that business to fulfill the need 287 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: that they have. So co ops sound new ag, but 288 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: really certain communities have been practicing cooperative economics on the 289 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: d L for a long time. For black folks in Philadelphia, 290 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: cooperative economic and mutual aid practices have been essential to survival. 291 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: So we can think back to periods when black folks 292 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: were enslaved and there were people who were running away 293 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: from slavery who came to Philadelphia and created a rich 294 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: and robust community of black folks here. But they survived 295 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: in many ways through cooperative economic practices. Here's the thing 296 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: that resonates most with me about the cooperative model. It 297 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: gives people a chance to make their voices heard. It 298 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: gives people a choice. It's like this little place where 299 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: democracy plays out. And as I started to explore these 300 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: new models of business, it became clear that that sense 301 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: of agency is key well beyond voting, well beyond business, 302 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: just in life. It's a lot easier to thrive when 303 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: you have the space to make your own decisions rather 304 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: than someone prescribing those decisions for you, giving you the 305 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: feeling of choice while having pre selected a certain set 306 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: of options that you're limited by now. Bruce Patterson saw 307 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: that when he set out to bring a public option, 308 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: a choice for broadband to the small town of amin Idaho. 309 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: There's no way for you to invest in a different 310 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: outcome unless you own it. That's the only way you 311 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: can invest in a different outcome. So as a community, 312 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: people that decide to join AM and Fiber, they're invested 313 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: in that. So when they call and we've got an issue, 314 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: they know they're talking to somebody that lives in the 315 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: same community. After the break public broadband and free money, 316 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: I gotta say I am a total nerd. I said 317 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: it before and I'll say it again that the Internet 318 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: is a subject close to my heart and I feel 319 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: like something that doesn't get talked about enough. Is this 320 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: connection that broadband has to our economy, our society, and 321 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: our ability to show up as citizens. Without equal internet access, 322 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: we don't have equal access to information, and in the pandemic, 323 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: it means we don't have equal access to work, to school, 324 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: even to vaccines, which is why I was so excited 325 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: to talk to Bruce. How would we as a small 326 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: town in idahobe competitive in attracting businesses and residents with broadband. 327 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: So the hardest part about this isn't the technology, but 328 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: the absolute hardest thing is consensus. Bruce found that locals 329 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: were paying for this essential need access to the Internet, 330 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: which is like access to electricity or water or even air, 331 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: but their needs were not getting met, not getting met 332 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: by the private option. There are people in neighborhoods that 333 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: want fiber, they want better connectivity, they want another choice. 334 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: And here's the brilliant thing to me, Bruce didn't just 335 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: jam the option down people's throats. He knew that wouldn't 336 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: go over well and conservative rural Idaho. No, he found 337 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: those people where they were in their neighborhoods and gave 338 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: them a space and opportunity to discover and voice their needs. 339 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: These people came out of the woodwork and found us 340 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: and said, if I talk to my neighbors, if I 341 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: go knock on doors, can you give me anything to say? 342 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: So we started to call these folks fiber champions, and 343 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: they did it am and Idaho now has the choice 344 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: to opt into some of the cheapest, fastest, most public 345 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: internet in the country. The Open Technology Institute did a 346 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: cost of connectivity research program and found am and to 347 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: have the cheapest gig internet in the world. I gin 348 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: poos fight for domestic workers is about giving those workers 349 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: more choices. The choice to have health benefits comes to mind, 350 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: but it's also about lending the care and support our 351 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: society needs to open up choices for the rest of us. 352 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: We think about infrastructures, bridges and tunnels and broadband, but 353 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: what could be more fundamental infrastructure than the ability to 354 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: make sure that our families are loved, ones are cared 355 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: for so that we can work. I call these jobs 356 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: job enabling jobs because they make it possible for everything 357 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: else to work and everyone else to work, space to live, 358 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: access to internet, access to health care, and job options. 359 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: All of that equates to choice. But at the end 360 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: of the day, so much choice in this economy comes 361 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: right down to money, and giving poor black mother's choices 362 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: is why Yandoro started the Magnolia Mother's Trust Magnolian Mother's 363 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: Trust as the first and only guaranteed income project in 364 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: this country that takes a racial and gender equity approach 365 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: to our conversations about wealth and equities within this country. 366 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: It provides a thousand dollars a month twelve months and 367 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: no strings attached extremely low income Black mothers. Yeah, that's right, 368 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars a month, no strings attached for a 369 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: full year. Because you can't citizen when you can barely 370 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: pay the bills, when you live in poverty and don't 371 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: have savings. How that constantly holding your breath? Um, how 372 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: stressful that is, and how that takes away your ability 373 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: to plan and dream and hope. One of our moms 374 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: went do in the pandemic and became a paramedic. She's like, 375 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: I always want to be a paramedic. They need paramedics now. 376 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, they do need paramedics now. And by 377 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: giving people money, Magnolia Mother's Trust is giving people options, 378 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: giving them a chance to decide on their future, a 379 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: chance two citizen. And that's exactly what Astra Taylor told 380 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: me about ancient Greek society. Greece is this mythic birthplace 381 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: of democracy in the US. And there's some parts of 382 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: their society that definitely needed work. Women were excluded, and 383 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: you know they own slaves. But there's one thing they 384 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: really did get right. They paid those who counted as 385 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: citizens to participate in self government, and when it was 386 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 1: your turn, you'd actually get called up to serve. It 387 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: was like jury duty. But for Congress, they were thinking 388 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: about these problems we're not thinking about, which is how 389 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: do you create systems of equality? How do you compensate 390 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: people so they can truly participate? Right? And this is 391 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: why I'm saying that we're stuck. We just aren't being 392 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: very creative when you think about all the tools or disposal, 393 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: and when we think democracy equals elections, I think we 394 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: have to be honest that might be a contradiction in 395 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: terms when we give ourselves room to citizen to really 396 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: show up and invest in relationships and understand our power 397 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: and benefit the many not the few. We give ourselves 398 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: room to pursue things that some of us have deemed radical. 399 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: I'm talking public broadband and giving people money just to 400 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: do with what they say they need. So many of 401 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: these things were a pipe dream to so many of 402 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: us until the pandemic. Right now, in particular, I think 403 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: we are in this a new New Deal moment, honestly, 404 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: where more deeper, impactful change is possible than my entire 405 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: twenty five years of organizing. Yeah, that's right, I'm bringing 406 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: up the Rhona. Look, I'm not gonna sit here and 407 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: tell you how great COVID nineteen has been for everybody, 408 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: how good it was for society, because it's not, and 409 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: it hasn't been. It caused us a lot of pain, 410 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: a lot of distraction, a lot of agony. But it's 411 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: also shown us how dire things have been and how 412 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: much better they can be. And it's shown us that 413 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: when pressed, we can rise to that opportunity. You know, 414 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: we've kind of been here before. This happened with the 415 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: Great Depression. Our entire nation's economy crashed, and we responded. 416 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: We were forced to respond with the New Deal. So 417 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen now. Adoption of a widespread guaranteed and 418 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: come on a national scale. I think that that will 419 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: look like as finally eradicating poverty. I think that will 420 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: look like us having healthier families. I think that would 421 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: look like us having healthier kids. I think that would 422 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: look like us finally looking like the greatest nation in 423 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: the world. I think that would change the trajectory of 424 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: our future, not just for some before an entire country, 425 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: before the pandemic, universal basic income was this radical, relatively 426 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: fringe idea. Now everyday Americans are cashing stimulus checks and 427 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: enhance unemployment benefits, and we're starting to expect it. Maybe 428 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: now we can create that new new deal that doesn't 429 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: leave out people of color and explicitly exclude so many 430 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: who we need to all move forward. Maybe we'll get 431 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: to be just go out and limb here free. Do 432 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: you believe? Is you know a biblical term, right? It's 433 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: this ancient term, uh, for the moment the deaths are 434 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: canceled in the land is given back, the economy we 435 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: get so out of whack, people would be selling themselves 436 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: into debt servitude. And you know ancient Babylonia, and so 437 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: periodically the king would say, jubilie, wiping up the slate. 438 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: So that's been canceled, and now you're free. You can 439 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: go back home. What would it mean to be free 440 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: of crushing debt, free of small mindedness, free of being 441 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: penned in and not being able to show up as citizens? 442 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: That excites me? Can you hear it in my voice? 443 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm getting a little excited. Okay, calm 444 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: down here. Today. I am cautiously optimistic about this future. 445 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: But I've also lived, and I know this is not 446 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: going to be easy. It's never been easy. Literally, it's 447 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: always hard. Doing good stuff is almost always hard to 448 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: do because there's gonna be pushed back. People will get 449 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: impatient with the pace to change. Some of us will 450 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: remain stuck in the zero sum us versus them mentality. 451 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: And we're still struggling with how to grow through the 452 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: systemic racism that's held us back so long. We're still 453 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: struggling to accept all people as people, regardless of how 454 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: they identify themselves versus our limited expectations of who they're 455 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: supposed to be. We're still struggling with just really starting 456 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: to face the size of the climate crisis. Yeah, climates 457 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: hanging out there like I see your plans? What? And 458 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: still with all that, with all those real challenges that 459 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: I've named and some that I haven't, I feel like 460 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: something big could happen. I know something big could happen. 461 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: And I know what's more likely to happen if we 462 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: all do our part, if we show up right, if 463 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 1: we participate, if we if we citizen, even in small ways, 464 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: to help make those possible big changes, real, big realities. 465 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: That's the story we put together. But there is one 466 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: more story to tell in this season. Next week we 467 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: have a very special guest and a very special episode. 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I want to thank all of our guests. 504 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious I couldn't have done this without them. 505 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: It would just be me talking to myself, which, trust me, 506 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: has its limits. I want to thank the Economic Security Project, 507 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: who helped us find so many of these guests. To 508 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: my producing team, Stephanie Cone, Ali Killed, Sam Paulson, Kelly Prime, 509 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: thank you for your patience with me, for your creativity, 510 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: and for your dedication. And a special thanks to Misha Yusuf, 511 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: Tamka Adams, Arwin Nix, and Rachel Garcia all at dust 512 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: Like Super Dope. Special extra thanks to this show's executive 513 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: producer and my wife, Elizabeth Stewart. I used the term 514 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: we a lot when I'm describing this show, and sometimes 515 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean that generically, like we're all part of a 516 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: collective find the week, but often I mean that very specifically, 517 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: like me and Elizabeth. You hear my voice, but you're 518 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: often experiencing her thinking, her brain, and her big picture vision. 519 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: She's been a key to the architecture of this season, 520 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: helping us all connect these dots. So thank you, Bo. Finally, 521 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: thank you for listening, for emailing and social media in 522 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: and sharing your literal voice with us. Thank you for Citizen. 523 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: We're in this together? How does Citizen? With Baritone Day 524 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio Podcasts and Dust 525 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: Like Productions. Our executive producers are Me Barritton, Day, Thurston 526 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Stewart and Misha Yusa. Our producers are Stephanie Cone 527 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: and Ali Kilts. Kelly Prime is our editor, Valentino Rivera 528 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: is our engineer, and Sam Paulson is our apprentice. Original 529 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: music by Andrew Eaple. This episode was produced and sound 530 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: designed by Stephanie Comb. Special thanks to Joel Smith from 531 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: my Heart Radio