1 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: It's I Do Part two and it's your favorite real 2 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: life single Gal Louise back on with you. I'm excited 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: today because I've got a guest who's been on the 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: pod before. We love her because she keeps it authentic, honest, 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: and most importantly real. You know her from Real Housewives 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: of OC. It's Megan King. Hi, Megan, Nice to meet you. 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: Ky Louise, Nice to meet you as well. 8 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: So let's jump in. I know you have a lot 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: that you want to talk about today, and on this 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: pod we talk not just about divorces and dating, but 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: also the mess that comes after divorce. I'm divorced, so 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: I got you from your own experience. What's it like 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: going through the mess and also being in the pub 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: like I at the same time. 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: I mean, it's been almost six years for me, so 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 3: I'm divorced, and I've been divorced for quite some years now. 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: But it seems as if when you know, whenever you 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: just one decides willingly that they're going to be a 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: public figure, as I did when I signed up for 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: the Real Housewives of Orange County, it doesn't go away. 21 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: It's you signing a deal with the devil and you 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 3: gotta handle it, you know, whatever life throws your way 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: after that. And for me, life through divorce my way 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: and a very public messy one. I was married to 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: another public figure and it's it's now the press and 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: combined with whatever celebrity I may have earned from the Housewives, 27 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: has exposed me to the masses, you know, the population 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: as a villain or you know, however my ex wants 29 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: to paint me as or anyone who has anything against 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: me and so, and this isn't just a typical story 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: with me. It's a typical story with most people going 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: through any sort of you know, divorce or high stakes debate, conflict, conflict. Yeah, exactly, 33 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: it sucks. 34 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: It really does. Do you actually think that your platform 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: that you've built is being used against you? Oh? 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: M M. 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: I think that When I went in the Real Housewives 39 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: Orange County, I showed my life as we do, and 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: people fall in love with me or they or they 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: learned to hate me through what you see on TV. 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: So people feel like they know me. And then I 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: extend that to my social media. I carefully cultivated my 44 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: social media following on Instagram, and I showed people the 45 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 3: real me and they do know me, and so they 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: have strong opinions about that. Now my ex husband, or 47 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: just anyone in general who's an athlete. They are known 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: for their skill and not their personal lives, and so 49 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: no one really truly cares about if you know, Joe 50 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: Schmoe hockey player is getting divorced from beautiful Susie Q 51 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: because nobody knows Susie C And nobody really cares about 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: Joe Shmo's personal life. They care about how many goals 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: he's scoring in the Stanley Cup. So unfortunately, in my situation, 54 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 3: you have, you know, two people with platforms. But I 55 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: think my platform is the one where people, well, I know, 56 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: my platform is the one there are people care about 57 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: my personal life. They like to watch the mess they 58 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: like to watch that train wreck and my and because 59 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: I have that, it's like anybody who wants to paint 60 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: me in any sort of light can push that narrative 61 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: out to the press, and I'm the one that has 62 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: to deal with the fallout, not the baseball fans, not 63 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: the one who put it there. It's me. 64 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: It's actually really really painful. I live in Los Angeles. 65 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: I see all the time in the entertainment world as well, 66 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: and you know there's usually one person. A lot of 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: times it's us that is kind of like odd man out, 68 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: pushed out, and it's it's very painful. I can speak 69 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: to that. Do you think that there's any way at 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: this point for you to course correct the damage now 71 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: that it's been done, or do you come to a 72 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: point where it's I'm just not even to try to 73 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: prove myself. I know who I am the people in 74 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: my life that know me authentically, and I'm not going 75 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: to sit here and try to like convince those people. 76 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: Otherwise it's become entertainment for them, right, It's fodder for 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: them because they're boring and they need to get a life. Okay, yes, 78 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: So where do you sit on it? Do you feel 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: compelled to try to clean it up? Or are you 80 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: just like, eh, whatever. 81 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of all of that. Yes, 82 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: of course, the people who know me are going to 83 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: know who I am, who the real me is, and 84 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 3: they're going to support me no matter what. Or they're 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: going to come to me with the true story and 86 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: then that's that. Right, I'll tied up in a nice 87 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: little bow. But that doesn't mean that the Court of 88 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: public opinion has has heard that or believes that, and 89 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: that is very important for me. I'm a real turn now. 90 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: I have shifted my life for Jet Deory from being 91 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: a public figure to really focusing on being a midbost mom, 92 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: single mom. You've started a new career that in the 93 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: middle of life. I mean, that's a daunting thing to do. 94 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: So I'm kind of straddling this world where I'm like, Okay, 95 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: I do need to defend myself a little bit in 96 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: order to control the narrative, to control my reputation so 97 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: that I can continue to get sales. 98 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to ask you. I'm 99 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: a realtor too. Has it impacted your business or no? 100 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: Because of all the sexy real estate shows and there 101 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: are a lot of people that like having the celebrity 102 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: also as part of their representative. 103 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: People don't want their Sotheby's agent, their high end me 104 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: Sothibe's agent to be this, you know, selling sunset girl. 105 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 4: No. 106 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: I live in country club, high end Saint Louis, Missouri. 107 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: I'm in the middle of the country. It's very Southern 108 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: traditional and it on one hand, and it's great because 109 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: we protect one another in our community. And our individuals. 110 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: On the other hand, it's a small big town, so 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: everybody knows everything, and word travels fast, and so if 112 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 3: that word is true or not true, it doesn't matter. 113 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: Everybody's going to know, going to hear about it. And yes, 114 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: it has effect of my business because I have had 115 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: quote unquote haters call my brokerage to try to get 116 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: me fired and tried to get me kicked off of 117 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: a real estate team I was on. And then yesterday 118 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 3: as an article and US Weekly came out, I had 119 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 3: to meet with my broker to explain the real story. 120 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: And you know what, gratefully and I'm so grateful my 121 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 3: actions have spoken louder than my words over the last year, 122 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: thank God, because my broker says she wouldn't even open 123 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: the article. She has seen her yes, and that speaks 124 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 3: for itself. 125 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: So exactly empowered you and you had proven yourself to her. 126 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep. So that felt That feels really good. 127 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: But that takes time. That takes to build that trust 128 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: and to show people who you truly are. You can't 129 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: just tell. That takes time, and so this has been 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: a huge lesson in the arena of patients for me. 131 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: Because I cannot fix the way people think about me, 132 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: and other than saying something, if they're not going to 133 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: believe me it, I just have to show them over time. 134 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: And that is a very freaking humbling experience. 135 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: It is because you have to. So you're living your 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: life authentically and true to who you are right at 137 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: the same time, still obviously posting on social media to 138 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: create that and continue that and get clients and show 139 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: them that you know how to handle their biggest investments, right, 140 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: which is a big deal, and being discreet because we 141 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: know everybody's finances. So it's like kind of a big jumble. 142 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: And it's almost like, do you, as you're continuing to 143 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: curate a bunch of different avenues in your life, do 144 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: you feel that you worry that certain things can come 145 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: back to bite you that maybe you didn't think about 146 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: as much? 147 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: Then Oh, my gosh, absolutely, yeah, yes, yes, yes, I 148 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: think this is a very like time honored story. Right. 149 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: Everybody kind of has their story, especially if you've been 150 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 3: in the public eye. And my days in the public 151 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: eye started when I was thirty years old. I'm now 152 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: forty almost forty one, and so yeah, I did stupid 153 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: stuff when I was thirty that I wouldn't have done today, 154 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: or maybe or I should say, in the throes of 155 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: a contentious divorce that was well unfolding in the public eye. 156 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: At the same time, I found out that my baby 157 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: had cerebral palsy and COVID hit. So yeah, I'm gonna 158 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: I think that it's suffice to say that one would 159 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: probably make some decisions that they might not during a 160 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: time like that. 161 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: Do you feel like people give you grace on that 162 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: or no? 163 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I was in such a 164 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: tornado at the time I couldn't see my way out 165 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: of it. Now, looking back, I think that people meaning that, 166 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: like the fans who don't are people who don't know me. 167 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: No, there was no grace. She's crazy. 168 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 3: She's like, oh look at her spiraling, she's so pathetic 169 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: or sad or drama she married him for the money, 170 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 3: or she got this coming, whatever it is they want 171 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: to say. But now I think it's it's like they 172 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: can watch me and I either continue down whatever path 173 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: that was, which was using the media to really try 174 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: to vilify my ex husband at the time because I 175 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: didn't know which way was up, and I regret doing that. 176 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: I think it was messy and tacky, and I'm upset 177 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 3: that I made those choices because now my children are 178 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: going to see that one day, or they could if 179 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: they want to search it. I will be honest with them. 180 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: I knew at the time that they would see it 181 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: one day, but I thought, you know, this is true, 182 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: This is all true, and I'm gonna be able to 183 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: have a strong relationship with my kids where I can 184 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: explain that to them. Now, even with that clarity, I 185 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: still regret it. But all I can do is change 186 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: my approach going forward. But it doesn't really matter if 187 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: all of it's in the past, it still comes back 188 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: to haunt me. And that's just you know, the bed 189 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: that I made, and no I'm laying in it. 190 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: But here's the good news. As somebody who's been divorced 191 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: longer than you and who's older than you is you're human. 192 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: Lots of people go through very messy divorces that people 193 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: love to tune into it, and I hear it all 194 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the time. So and so it is with the pickleball coach, 195 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: this personette, whatever, they move on to their own step. 196 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they're focused on themselves 197 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: and other stories that's right. Come up, and you're right 198 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: because you will have the relationship with your children. And 199 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: you say, guys, it's painful getting divorced, and I hope 200 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: that never happens to you. And we're all doing the 201 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: best we can. But I love you with my entire heart, 202 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: and I'm here and they'll be fine. Kids are resilient, period, right. 203 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: And I just want to be authentic for them and 204 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: say when I screw up, but yes, And I think 205 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 3: we all kind of embrace those short sales or short 206 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: news cycles and hope that you know, everything blows over 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 3: and always does. It just takes a couple of days. 208 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: But when stuff hits mainstream media like US Weekly, and 209 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,359 Speaker 3: it just it gets out of the blogs into the mainstream, 210 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: that's when it starts to bother me. Because you're not 211 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: just dealing with the people in their basements with their 212 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: hand on their pants. 213 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: Typing on Reddit all day long. 214 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 3: These are professionals who are going to browse through headlines 215 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: and they're going to see that US Weekly headlines. So 216 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: that's when it really kind of starts to hit a 217 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: little closer to home. 218 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: I totally understand. Do you have people close to you 219 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: that you feel support you that have gone through similar situations, 220 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: Like if somebody else has walked your path, it feels 221 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: like a safer kind of space that you feel supportive 222 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: worre you know, instead of somebody who doesn't get it 223 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: and you're like, you just don't get it, Like, do 224 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: you feel like you've seen other people in these very 225 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: similar toxic kind of situations. 226 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I think my own personal situation is so 227 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: highly unique because of my exposure on the Housewives, being 228 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: married to a professional athlete, and then the other you know, 229 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: minutia that comes with the rest of my story. But 230 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 3: I think that fame, and that's kind of the platform 231 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: that I'm speaking to right now. I think that fame, money, 232 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: influence good looks. I think that there's currency to all 233 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 3: of those things as well. And so because of that 234 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: and the perception of you know that, like fame is 235 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: this elite person or money makes someone elite or whatever 236 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 3: it is, how we perceive, you know, this currency that 237 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: someone has a lot of. It's like we want to 238 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: watch what it looks like to take them down. And so, yeah, 239 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: I might not have the the like direct comparison to me, 240 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: but I do have friends who have you know, a 241 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: lot of money that people are trying to get to 242 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: or take them down or create rumors about them or 243 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: friends who you know are in politics or whatever. And 244 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: so I think that we need to think about this issue, 245 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: not even just you know, being a celebrity, but it's 246 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: like sticking it to the proverbial man. And I represent 247 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: as a celebrity some sort of proverbial man that people 248 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: like to see fall on their on their knees, and 249 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: because it kind of helps our simpletons feel better about themselves. 250 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: But it's like the person who's driving and the you know, 251 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: there's a car accident, everybody slows down to look. I mean, 252 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: it's like it's sad that people want. People are envious, 253 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: people are unhappy inherently right now, right, and people want 254 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: to see beautiful, rich, successful people that were at the 255 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: top of their game fall right, and also kind of 256 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: normalizes their own experiences too. So yeah, it's it's like 257 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: super super painful. 258 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: I also think, Louise, that this is kind of like 259 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: the modern day version of gladiators, like back in the 260 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: Roman times, where it's just all these spectators gather around 261 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: to watch a blood bath. It's not about what's fair 262 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 3: or how they got there in the first place. It's 263 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: not even that they even you don't even know if 264 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: they want to be there. Like I think there are 265 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: mostly like bad guys that were just like plucked out 266 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: for people's entertainment. But I'm one of those gladiators right now. 267 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: I'm just in a different arena and I never asked 268 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: to be that gladiator. Somebody pulled me in there, and 269 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: now I'm a spectacle and it does not matter how 270 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: I get out of it, because it's not the truth 271 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: that matters. It's the narrative that matters, and that's what 272 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: the court of opinion will decide. 273 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: And you have to You're going to continue to negate 274 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: that narrative by people like your broker who supported you 275 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: and didn't you know, read the article and subscribe to it. 276 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: You're gonna do great work with your clients, and you're 277 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: gonna build your people around you that you can trust, 278 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: that know you, and. 279 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: Then yeah, that's all you can do. I mean, it's 280 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: difficult to not get angry in the in the meantime, 281 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: you know, when you're building up that trust, like once again, 282 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: back to the virtue of patients. It's been a huge challenge, 283 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: but that's all that it is. And I told my 284 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: kids that, you know, because as my children, my four 285 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: sweet children, are products of this very contentious divorce between 286 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: their parents. Sometimes they'll hear different things from different sides, 287 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: and they'll say, well, somebody, you know, basically somebody's line. 288 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: And I'll say to my children, listen, I'm telling you 289 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: the truth, but there is no way that you can 290 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: know that unless until time happens. So you're gonna so 291 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna help you with this, and I'm gonna say, 292 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: all right, this is what I said. 293 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: Now let's wait till it happens. Blah blah, you know. 294 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: And so I'm trying to teach them like that trust 295 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: is built up over time, which is a sad lesson 296 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: for seven and eight year. 297 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: Old kids because they should always trust their parents. 298 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: Do they go back and forth even lead to both houses? 299 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: No, it's not no, it's not even no, it's. 300 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: Not even okay, God, Yeah, well, I guess let's talk 301 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: about what happens when you're in a contentious divorce and 302 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: then there's new partners, because that brings a whole other 303 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: kind of animal to it. 304 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: I never knew what it would be, what it was 305 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: like without a new partner, because I think it was 306 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: like I think we'd been maybe split up, like two months, 307 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: maybe less. 308 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: I think it might have been less. 309 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: It was okay, we split up the end of October 310 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, and before twenty twenty hit he was living 311 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: with his current. 312 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: Well it's over it's overlap. 313 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's overlap. 314 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: It's overlap, which makes it really hard then for the 315 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: ex wife and the new woman to be on this 316 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: same page. 317 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: Right, I don't have a relationship with with his new wife, 318 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: so that I don't know. I mean, I think it 319 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: would be better for the kids if we did, but 320 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: it's it could be worse. I suppose it. 321 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: Well, the problem is that the kids are still young, right, 322 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: So if there was the ability where everybody could be 323 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: some sort of you know, modern family that can you know, 324 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: do holidays together and trips and you know, sit at 325 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: parent teacher conference is great. 326 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 327 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: Do you feel that you don't have to answer this 328 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: like who's the puppeteer in that relationship? Like who's who's 329 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: perpetuating the drama that exists now between like you and 330 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: her that's making it this way. 331 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: I don't think there is drama between us I don't 332 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: talk to her. I don't like, I don't know, Like, 333 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: I don't think there is any there's nothing there, there's 334 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: no relationship. It's like it's basically like I see a 335 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: picture and she's a ghost, you know, it's to me 336 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: kind of idea. I like. I like the role that 337 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: she plays because she provides consistency for my children. She 338 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: sounds like she's calm for the most part as far 339 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: as like what my children say to me, and they 340 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: like her, So I don't have any problem with her, 341 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: Like any issues that she would have with me are 342 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: secondary information. They're not you know, she hasn't derived her 343 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: opinions about me directly from my relation our relationship. They're 344 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 3: all third party opinions that she's taking a talk yeah yeah, 345 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: pillow talk. So I don't but I don't know her 346 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: and I don't try to know her. It's she's whatever 347 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: to me, except that my kids like her, so that's fine, 348 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: and she's not good. 349 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: So what I what I appreciate from you, Megan, is 350 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: you actually seem super neutral on it, right, which is 351 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: really the best kind of place to be. So maybe 352 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: do you think that there could be a world or 353 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: what would it take for the situation between the two 354 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: of you to be more comfortable. 355 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: I guess between my ex and myself and. 356 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: Like any even that, like after a contentious divorce, like 357 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: is it time is like what is it? What do 358 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: you think can eventually bring people back to you know, 359 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: kind of a calm place where you just say, like, 360 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: you're a dad, I'm the mom. These are Look, here's 361 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: the thing with divorce people. You can get remarried. He 362 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: can be remarried. Those three kids belong to the two 363 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: of you. 364 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, do you think you seem like a girl's 365 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: girl to me in the conversation of talking to Right, 366 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 4: So it's important for women to support women, period, Okay, Right, So. 367 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: It seems that a lot of times this is not 368 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: the case. I've personally experienced this with people with my 369 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: own friends, and it's like a heartbreak. Yes, why do 370 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: you think it's important for women to support women? Would 371 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: that create. 372 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: I think that I think that, like basically, our culture 373 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: has groomed us to think that the way that women 374 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: communicate is negative or caddy or bad because women are 375 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: emotional and they talk about what's going on more small 376 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 3: talk than you know, broad talk like men would stereotypically 377 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: be classified as I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 378 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: I think that water cooler conversation is some of the 379 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 3: most important conversations in order to keep our communities safe 380 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 3: and and like families, you know, up to date and knowledgeable. 381 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 3: So having said that, fast forward, you know, past your 382 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: water cooler days, and here we are today and we 383 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 3: are trying we try to say, like, you know, gossip 384 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: is bad, let's reframe that. Like if we can reframe 385 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 3: gossip as being good, as being women helping one another, 386 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: then we could be so much more powerful as a sex. 387 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 3: And I think that you know, we're as women, we 388 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: are more emotional, but we're all so much more peaceful. 389 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 3: And I think we just want to love everyone more, 390 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 3: so we feel more attached to any sort of you know, 391 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: emotionally charged situation. So it can divide us in a 392 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: lot of ways, but generally speaking, I think we're all 393 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: talking about the same thing, and we're all the generally 394 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 3: the underdog in the situation. Don't even get me started 395 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 3: on family court with. 396 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: That, you know, what's a good idea? Actually, just like 397 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: there's life coaches, or there should be a divorce coach. 398 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: I think there are Oh well. 399 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: It's like there's rush, you know, somebody's going through rush. 400 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: Like a divorce coach should almost be in contentious situations, 401 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: should be mandated by the courts or the lawyers or something. 402 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean they have that our family wizard. Yeah, in 403 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: terms of are you guys using that for that? 404 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, oh just got two messages on it, Louise. 405 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: Paper trail is so important. 406 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it doesn't seem like anybody cares though, well 407 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 3: they don't. 408 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so true, but a divorce coach would 409 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: be so good in terms of kind of navigating and. 410 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: And what to say. I think language is so important. 411 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: Like there's certain like like trigger words that I think 412 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: the courts hate hearing, which are alienation narcissists. You know, 413 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 3: they hate those words. But if you can describe the behaviors, 414 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: that's okay. 415 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's it's true. Do you find that 416 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: it sounds like in your situation because it's content or 417 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: maybe not whatever? Are you are your two household? It 418 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like you guys are on the same parenting page, right, 419 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of kind of re entry, right, 420 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: so they come your house, there's like major unwinding of 421 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: kind of an unpacking of that and that house, and 422 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: then you've got to read bulls to them, to you 423 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: and yours and probably right or true, and then they 424 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: go back and it's this like repeat thing of Groundhog's Day, 425 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: which is so hard to do. It's hard for these kids. 426 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, well, you have to understand, I 427 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: was a stepmom before I was a biological mother, and 428 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 3: so I saw this this you know, game being played 429 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: by this this dance, if you will, between the houses. 430 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: I had that with my step kids, and those two 431 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 3: households were much more on the same page than mine is. 432 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 3: But I wouldn't go to great lengths to say that 433 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: it was on the same page. But I just think 434 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 3: that's like, I think it's easy to say, Okay, if 435 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: we were on the same page, there would be easy 436 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 3: re entry. But I don't agree with that. I think 437 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: the re entry is going to be tough no matter 438 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: the situation. Children thrive on routine, and switching houses is 439 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: not routine. This is not how it was meant to 440 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 3: be done. And so pointing fingers at are ex's is 441 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: so easy to do, but really just sucks. 442 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: Divorce sucks, and the people who get hurt are the kids? Yep? 443 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: Are you a product divorce? 444 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: No, My parents have been married fifty years in May. 445 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: Did you grow up in the Midwest? 446 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 3: Yep. Born and raised Saint Louis, Missouri, oldest of four kids, 447 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: Irish Catholic. My parents are so in love, my dad writes, 448 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: my mom loves notes that I'll find. My mom was 449 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: over at my house last night, just hanging out with 450 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: me and my kids, and my dad just drove by 451 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: and popped out, kicked the soccer ball with the kids. 452 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: I'm talking Americana right here. I grew up in a 453 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: really great way. I couldn't have written the script better myself, 454 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: and kind of think it hit me up, honestly because 455 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: I thought that that's what I was going to get, 456 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: and the boy was I in for surprise. 457 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's interesting because I'm a product of 458 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: a tough divorce and I made bad choices, my sister, 459 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: I mean, just whatever relationship choices. 460 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 461 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. And you know I can kind of 462 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: under I know what my baggage is right now after 463 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: this many years of doing it, like I understand where 464 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: it comes from. Super hard to unwind it at. 465 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: Fifty totally. 466 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: More clarity though, Yes, but we have default behaviors. It's 467 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: very hard I see, yes, right. But it's funny because 468 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: a very few people where I live in Los Angeles, 469 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: most people are divorced, and I can count on one 470 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: hand of my big group of friends two couples that 471 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: I think are genuinely happy, okay, And it's interesting to 472 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: really kind of take stock of whose parents are still 473 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: married and in love and the environment that they grew 474 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: up in. And I would say most of the happily 475 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: married people are the ones that grew up in that 476 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: environment because that example was healthy and so it continued. 477 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 3: It didn't occur to me that there's bad people in 478 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: the world because the only thing that occurred to me 479 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: was that people show up authentically in relationship, especially you know, 480 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: a partnership. And when that didn't happen, that was just 481 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: mind boggling for me. But I thought I had this 482 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: great family that could fix him. 483 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: You know. 484 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: I saw that his childhood was more challenging than mine. 485 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: My heart goes out to anyone with those any challenges 486 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: in childhood. It's not your fault. And I would never. 487 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 2: Blame him for the way he was raised. Or how 488 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: that painted him. 489 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 3: But he's a grown up now, and so if he's 490 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: not able to overcome, like you said, even those patterns 491 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 3: are hard to overcome. But you're a grown up now 492 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: and it's up to you, you know, to decide if 493 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: you're going to let that shape you or not. Now, 494 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 3: I thought that all he needed was, oh, here's a 495 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: stable family, and here's good people, and here's Sunday dinners. 496 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: No, that's that's nice. 497 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: That's his childhood wounds in all of his baggage set. 498 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: But you know, to your point, like such, when people 499 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: choose to have children and there's eyes on us at 500 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: all times, like we don't want to continue to perpetuate 501 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: the cycle. Right, So it's almost like, okay, so maybe 502 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: he didn't get off scott free, or you didn't get 503 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: it off scott free, or I didn't, but like you know, 504 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: the onus is on us to try to do it differently, 505 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: for them to see it differently, right, So you know, 506 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: hopefully he'll get there to do that with you. 507 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I think I'm on my own journey as well. 508 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: You know, this is not what I thought my life 509 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: would look like as a mother and at all, and 510 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: this is not the type of mother I thought I 511 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: would be. I think I thought I would be a 512 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: lot better mom. I have a lot of stress taking 513 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 3: up my time and energy, like lawsuit with my ex 514 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 3: being a major one, and I can't like, once again, 515 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: I can't just point the finger at my ex saying 516 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: like you drew me in a lawsuit or whatever. I'm 517 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: still there, you know, like I'm still in it as well, 518 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 3: and I have to be able to prioritize my values 519 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: in order to give my kids the best chance. And 520 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 3: hopefully I'm not totally poking them up. 521 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you are, because I think what 522 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: they're seeing is a real vulnerability. You know, they'll listen 523 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: to this, They'll they know who you are. They can 524 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: look in your eyes. You have kind eyes. They're also 525 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: around your parents, and they're around that unit, so as 526 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: much as maybe they're feeling that kind of family love, 527 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: devotion and all of that. So I do think that 528 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: it takes a village, and I think you have a village. 529 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: You're not alone on that No, it might be on 530 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: purely on one side of the fence, because you're not 531 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: there in conjunction with your ex husband, but you have 532 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people they are loving and supporting to 533 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: lead by example. 534 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 3: And I think that's huge and that is a system 535 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 3: that I put in place that I'm proud of myself 536 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: that I did for my children because I think there's 537 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of different factors that go into 538 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: created in person and who they turn out to be. 539 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 3: And you hear these miraculous stories of these kids with 540 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 3: horrible childhoods who turn out to do great things in life, 541 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: and they're quote unquote miraculous stories, but I disagree. I 542 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 3: don't think they're miraculous because the common denominator and all 543 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 3: of those success stories are these children were surrounded by 544 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: community with good positive examples. And so when these kids 545 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: didn't have you know, their buckets filled at home, they 546 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: could find it within the community that they were surrounded by. 547 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 3: And I have at least been able to provide that 548 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: for my children. So if I took up in all 549 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: the ways, and their dad's up in all the ways, 550 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 3: hopefully their community can carry them through. So at least 551 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: I got that right. 552 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: And you know, don't, Megan, don't underestimate what you're showing 553 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: them by getting a career working being a strong woman, 554 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: like I will tell you. My kids have watched it 555 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: and as they went to college, they really commented on that. 556 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: So you're setting an incredible example to your child. 557 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I am. I hear them talk about it. 558 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 3: They're very proud of me. They like to talk about 559 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: how I'm a realtor and I've taken them to houses 560 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: and they like to talk about how they went to 561 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: work with mommy, and they are proud. It's really cool 562 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: to see. And it's not just the work, but I 563 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: think it's just something that they like to see that 564 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: their mom is doing things that that like are outside 565 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: just the norm of. 566 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: You're doing something for yourself and you're making a difference. 567 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: And I think it's a really good example. But just 568 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: wait till you start taking them to listings of yours 569 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: that are not within your reach to buy. That happened 570 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: my kids like why do we live here? I'm like, 571 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: not in mom's wheelhouse. Sorry. Home is the people, not 572 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: the structure. 573 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: My eggs had, you know, this massive, massive, massive, twenty 574 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 3: thousand square foot home and I don't. And so my 575 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 3: kids would used to say to me, well, why don't 576 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: we have a bowling now in the basement? Mom? But 577 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 3: when down there why don't we have many golfer a 578 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 3: slide or in a pool, And and so I'm used 579 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: to that, which is my kids are used to that. 580 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 3: But you know what, my daughter and my kids, they 581 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: feel the energy. And one of my favorite stories, my 582 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 3: daughter's friend's parents just got separated and the mom moved 583 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: from a nice house to a little, you know, two 584 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 3: bedroom house, and my daughter, Aspen was picked up from 585 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: her dad's house or is twenty thousand square foot brand new, 586 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: we're just mansion, and to go to this girl's house. 587 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: And she said this. Mom told me that my daughter 588 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: Aspen walks in and goes into this little girl's room 589 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: and says, oh my gosh, this is the coolest room 590 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 3: I've ever seen. I wish my room looked like this, 591 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 3: and she meant it. 592 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: It's she truly did. 593 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: And the mom told me that she started to cry 594 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 3: so like it's that means the world to me. That 595 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: tells me right there that I'm doing something. 596 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I always lived in a smaller house and place 597 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: than my ex husband did, and I didn't quite have 598 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: the access and the perks and the trips and the 599 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean I really and it was hard for me 600 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: at times like I kind of felt less than. 601 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 3: And I get it. 602 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: I said to my kids one day and I said, look, 603 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: and I've always taught them this, and I actually hear 604 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: them repeating it, so I know they're absorbing it. So 605 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: this is a good one for you to remember. Okay, right, 606 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: OM is the people. It's not the structure that's cute. 607 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: That's great, and they have learned it, and I, over 608 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: the years have felt badly when I can't, you know, 609 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: take them to Japan and get them, you know, floor ceasier, 610 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: and I feel kind of like I suck, I'm a loser. 611 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: And they have said to me, Mom, we love you 612 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: for you and we're proud of you. And it doesn't 613 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: that it does. And I really believe it, I really 614 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: really and my kids are in their twenties. 615 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: They do believe it because it's true. And I can't 616 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: do those things for my kids either, but I'm proud 617 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: of what I can do. I couldn't take my daughter 618 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 3: to Portugal to Lisbon to go see Taylor Swift this 619 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: year with VIPs, but you know what I could do. 620 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: I took her to the. 621 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: Outskirts of Saint Louis and I took her to a 622 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift cover band during the Era's tour, you know, 623 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 3: and she had a blast. And it's like it's it's 624 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: just I think so much about the effort and curating 625 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: an experience and the time together that. 626 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: I think it's the time. I think it's the time. 627 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 3: So much more important than anything else, you know. And 628 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: I can't afford vacation, crazy elaborate vacations. But I can't 629 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: afford to spend money on myself. Was credit card and 630 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 3: get some points and buy tickets for my kids. You know, 631 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: I am. 632 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: Scrapped, Darlin, I'm kidding, are you? 633 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 3: I'm both? Actually? Yeah, I do whatever I can and 634 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: I get and I get creative with it and scrappy 635 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 3: with it. And I'm proud of myself and I hope 636 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 3: I know my kids see the work that I put 637 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: into it. 638 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: So here's another really good thing. And it's something I 639 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: started to do. And again, your kids sound old enough 640 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: to start doing it. A couple of things. First of all, 641 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: I would sit at the dinner table and we I 642 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't know if your kids have phones yet. 643 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: Usually kids would divorce do because. 644 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: They have like iPads. But I don't have phone numbers 645 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 2: for them. 646 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So you sit at the table without devices. Okay, 647 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: I got it, and you will be shocked at how 648 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: observant and smart kids are at different ages and start 649 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: asking open ended questions things like this. If you were 650 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: to describe mom and dad separately in three words good 651 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: or bad to people who don't know them, what would 652 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: you say? 653 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: Oh, that's cute. 654 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: You will be shocked by the answer because they get it. Okay, 655 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: and never one What is your happiest memory to date? 656 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many questions, and I can send 657 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: you where I got most of them. But there's an 658 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 1: app you can download called Wholesome holsom and it has 659 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: all types of categories of open ended questions, whether it's 660 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: for kids of this age, or relationships or humor. And 661 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: it makes the conversation at the dinner table more connected, 662 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: more textured, and more memorable. And it's going to bring you, guys, 663 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: really closer, and I get it's going to show your depth, 664 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: and it's going to show you it's going to allow 665 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: you to show them who you are because you're going 666 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: to answer the same questions. And it's also going to 667 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: allow them to feel comfort to have real conversations with you, 668 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: and then you're going to eliminate the surface, like how 669 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: was school today good? Did you write your friends or Dick? 670 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: I forgot? 671 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, like it just makes for a really great, really 672 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: good And then the other thing I always did too, 673 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: which was important, was to sounds stupid, but you know 674 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: everywhere we went, whether it was at night after I 675 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: made them. My kids were third and fifth grade, they 676 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: were young like yours, and I had each kid pick 677 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: a TV show that they were going to watch with me, 678 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: and then when they went to dad's house they couldn't 679 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: watch it, and then they would come back and it 680 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: would be our time together the show. And then the 681 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: other thing is Rummy Cube. I don't know if you 682 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: play a game with the kids. We do, okay, So 683 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: Rubny Cube was like it was easy, it was you know, 684 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: you could take it on trips, you could play it 685 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: at home, and it was just time spent together to 686 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: build the foundation. Because when they get older, they kind 687 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: of go out and they're living their lives, which is 688 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: what you want. You want them to launch. 689 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: We do. I feel like we do the game Sorry 690 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: Uno and Monopoly on repeat. We constantly have a family 691 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 3: puzzle out, so everybody has the role, you know, and 692 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: we all sit there whenever, you know, to do the 693 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 3: family puzzle and our but our favorite thing to do 694 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 3: together as a family is hop on our golf cart 695 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 3: and every Sunday we take the cardboard to the recycling center, 696 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 3: which is in our little downtown. Yeah. So like we do. 697 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 3: I really try to do like the absolute most that 698 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 3: I can for my children, and I love it and 699 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 3: they have we have these traditions together that they'll always remember, 700 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 3: you know. 701 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: But that's my point. It doesn't matter we ride our. 702 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 3: Bikes into the farmer's market and they you know, stuff 703 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 3: like that. 704 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: It's the time spent and the activity and the memory. 705 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: It's not the you know, whipping on a private plane. 706 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 3: And no whatever, which is cool too, by the way, 707 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 3: which is really cool too. 708 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: They're not gonna get from mama. 709 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, honestly, what's more important is the small 710 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: things and finding joy and appreciation and value in the 711 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: small things period. And you're doing that, and you're also 712 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: showing them community service too, which is giving back. 713 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, it is, and being an active member 714 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 3: of the community. We go to the local performing arts center, 715 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 3: we're involved in the community center. I do all the things. 716 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 3: I'm such a Midwest mom and like, this is how 717 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 3: I was raised and I'm doing the same thing for 718 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: my kids. But I think my first, So my first, 719 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 3: I'm forty one, almost forty one. I'll at least live 720 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: to be eighty. So I have you, know less. 721 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 1: Than half fill twenty five? 722 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so holy seventy five more years? Then? 723 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: All right, so I have you for a few more minutes. 724 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask a couple more things. 725 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So house wives fans, Well, first of all, 726 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 5: is there anything else now that you have this floor 727 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 5: in this platform that you want to say to address 728 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 5: any of the stuff that's kind of recently been out there, 729 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 5: you know, kind of this is your time to just 730 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 5: hit it home one more time, or do you feel 731 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 5: like you've got out what you wanted to say? 732 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 3: What I want to say is just super high level 733 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 3: and it's not in the weeds with me specifically. I'm 734 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 3: so over being in the press and the drama that 735 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 3: relates to me specifically. I think that I'm here for 736 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 3: like to try to give voice to a bigger message 737 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 3: here that celebrity is more accessible than ever with the advent, 738 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 3: and like proliferation of reality television, and so it's easy, 739 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 3: it's easier than ever to consume media and to also 740 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 3: use media to villainize others. And I think that it's 741 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 3: just important to be mindful as we scroll through our 742 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 3: phones that of the repercussions that can be held on 743 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 3: these individuals. 744 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so Housewive fans have been wanting you to come 745 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: back to the OC franchise. 746 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 3: They have recently. 747 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: Your former cast member Vicky, who isn't even on the 748 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: show anymore, said no when a fan suggested that you 749 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: come back, Soper off, How does that comment make you feel? 750 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know, do you see you don't live 751 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: there anymore? But would you ever go back if they offered? 752 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: Or are you pretty set being back with your family 753 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: doing real estate, being around the Midwest values none of 754 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: that kind of you know, flashy glamorama type stuff and 755 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: like hunkering down. Is it a different stage of your 756 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: life or does that calling still kind. 757 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 2: Of I'm into all of that. 758 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 3: It's just like on a more adult level, if you will, 759 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 3: I not missed thirty year old level. I told Alex Baskin, 760 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 3: he's one of the executive producers that I'm open. 761 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: I would be interested in being a friend. 762 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 3: I told, oh, and I'm friends with I'm friends with 763 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 3: Tracy Tudor, I'm friends with She's she's a real estate 764 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 3: agent on TV Million Dollars Listening, and then so and 765 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm friends with Jeff Lewis, who's also in real estate. 766 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 3: So I think it would be fun to do real 767 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 3: estate in California, but I don't have my license. I 768 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 3: mean it's a pipe dream, you know. It's kind of 769 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 3: like playing in house in my head. 770 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, i'd go back. 771 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: You would do a real estate show, but maybe not 772 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: a housewive back to that whole. 773 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to be like on 774 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 3: for my life as much, but I would like to 775 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 3: be a friend that they don't really like dig into 776 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 3: your life as a friend. 777 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: I got it Vicky Is. 778 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 3: I thought it was funny that she even responded to that, 779 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 3: because like, Vicky doesn't give a fuck about me. I 780 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 3: can promise you that I don't know about her, and 781 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 3: so it's funny that like it's still this beef is 782 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 3: still out there. I think it's kind of cute. 783 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: It's cute, and I think it's also people's way of 784 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: still kind of being like relevant. 785 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 3: In the mix. Yeah, right, we look, we're talking about it. 786 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: We're talking about it. So yeah, it's kind of like 787 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: I would teach my kids, like even if somebody's talking, 788 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: they're talking about you, it means you matter. It's true, right, 789 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: if people aren't talking about you, then like you're irrelevant. Well, Megan, 790 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for the honest thanks. I know 791 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: many of us you have gone through divorce. They're going 792 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: through divorce. Many of my friends are family members, very relatable, 793 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: and each time I tell my kids people we know 794 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: are getting divorced, they look at me like this, doesn't 795 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: everyone get divorced. So I've got a lot to unwind there. 796 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: So maybe I'm gonna ship them to the Midwest and 797 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: they'd have a better opportunity. Anyways, if you're going through 798 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: a difficult divorce and feel like you aren't moving in 799 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: a positive direction or you need some help, call us 800 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: or email us all the infos in the show notes, 801 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: follow us on socials, and make sure to rate and 802 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: review the podcast. I do Part two an iHeartRadio podcast 803 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: where falling in love is the main objective. And let's 804 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: hope your chapter two and my chapter two are like 805 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: better and they're. 806 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 3: Moving on right into the sunset. 807 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: Gotcha all right, Take care, Thanks BYEEE