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Speaker 1: for week number eight in the National Football League. Week
Speaker 1: number eight Skill Alexander Staples of the show, before we
Speaker 1: introduce our guest, the aforementioned Will Hill, proudly wearing his
Speaker 1: Lakers hootie.
Speaker 2: Heyo, Gilly, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Should have bet more podcasts? The host of how Many
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Speaker 2: Three times a week Monday, Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Friday, Monday Wednesday Friday.
Speaker 2: Latest guest had Chris Masaro Professional Sports Better Wednesday Monday,
Speaker 2: it was Dave Ross with a Mets eulogy after Mets Dodgers,
Speaker 2: so it was a right Dan Bower coaster of motion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've had Dave Ross and Paul's a lot through this
Speaker 2: Mets run, so it was, uh, it was sad to
Speaker 2: put them to bed.
Speaker 1: You do political betting with Dave Ross on the program
Speaker 1: at all? No, nothing.
Speaker 2: I haven't jumped into the election yet. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys wanted to talk about it today, But
Speaker 2: it's that's that's sneaking up on us too. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot going on.
Speaker 1: I think it's a queen flip. I really do. Todd Wishedev,
Speaker 1: the other pillar of this show, the star of Showtimes
Speaker 1: docuseries Action. You can follow him on t Wishnev on Twitter.
Speaker 1: By the way, you can follow Willet not be will
Speaker 1: Hill with two ease Todd wishinge for his mom's quirk attic, everybody,
Speaker 1: what happening? What's happening?
Speaker 3: Man? What's up?
Speaker 4: I was inspiring?
Speaker 2: Ye inspired.
Speaker 1: It's just great.
Speaker 2: He's great for radio.
Speaker 1: He really knows.
Speaker 3: And I'm bitter. I had a bad night last night
Speaker 3: and I'm bitter. I'm just bitter.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's start a show with Todd's bad beats. What happened?
Speaker 3: Todd sure.
Speaker 4: Did? Honest Liberty money line.
Speaker 3: No, just stupidity, No, thankfully, not that. Just stupidity, not
Speaker 3: bad beats, you know. So I'm not going to I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna I'm not going to be a pity party.
Speaker 3: When you're dumb, you deserve to lose.
Speaker 1: That very recognizable voice is the the Bear Chris Filica
Speaker 1: from Fox Sports, the host of the Bear Bets Podcast, Empire,
Speaker 1: Rita's pro football and college football podcast with Will Hill
Speaker 1: by the Way and Sammy p and Jeff Schwartz and others.
Speaker 1: Of course, is part of Big Noon Saturdays on Fox
Speaker 1: College Football Saturdays. Chris Faalik everybody at Chris Faleige on Twitter.
Speaker 1: What's happening man?
Speaker 4: Hello? Hello, Yes, sorry for spoiling the suspense and surprise
Speaker 4: by interjecting my my voice. Yeah, I've already heard enough
Speaker 4: of Will this morning because we just got done recording
Speaker 4: the NFL pod ourselves in New York. So so Will
Speaker 4: and I are well versed. We probably bring me too
Speaker 4: acquainted with what we're going to just say regarding the
Speaker 4: NFL a way during this week, but we'll be all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just say that Chris FeliCa has never
Speaker 1: sounded better, never looked crystal clearer. Is that a what
Speaker 1: would you call that laguardier or what is that a
Speaker 1: pot of something?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm at the Deltas Guy Club at LaGuardia, and
Speaker 4: I was looking for a spot where I could just
Speaker 4: have a little bit of privacy, and they they put
Speaker 4: in these. It's like a phone booth type soundproof room
Speaker 4: where it's great, close the door, nobody can hear you.
Speaker 4: Got a little stand here, got my uh, got my
Speaker 4: half and half iced tea lemonade here, had a couple
Speaker 4: of pieces of cheese to snack on because the line
Speaker 4: was too long. But we're up where we're LaGuardia getting
Speaker 4: set to go to a Columbus for big noon this
Speaker 4: week for that big one between Ohio State and Nebraska.
Speaker 4: Should be a scintillating football game on Saturday. But please
Speaker 4: watch our show.
Speaker 2: Is the Delta Sky Club different than the Mile High Club?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes yes you would. Any actions
Speaker 4: down here at ground level would not categorize in the
Speaker 4: Mile High Club. That could be a new club like
Speaker 4: the Delta Sky Club Club. And I like that. I
Speaker 4: mean they have like these like bigger like they have
Speaker 4: like shower squeeks and stuff. I'm taking the podcast in
Speaker 4: a far far different direction than it probably needs to go.
Speaker 4: Possibilities for the possibilities for that exists here.
Speaker 1: Will Have you seen the the era it was the
Speaker 1: Emirates Airlines commercials with Penelope Cruise where she basically is
Speaker 1: like followed me into the shower in these Emirate Airlines
Speaker 1: those are phenomenal you see?
Speaker 4: Is that is that the rule with Emirates now, like
Speaker 4: if you fly Emirates is Penelope crew is gonna sit
Speaker 4: next to you because if that's the case, the rest
Speaker 4: of my life.
Speaker 1: And you take showers with her. That was what I
Speaker 1: got out of.
Speaker 3: By the way, Chris, I have a question. I have
Speaker 3: a question for you and the rest of these people
Speaker 3: here on this podcast, on this yere podcast. I've seen
Speaker 3: past interference called and then I've seen little hubbub with
Speaker 3: the refs. They get together, they talk it over. We're
Speaker 3: picking up the flag. It doesn't happen often, but it happens.
Speaker 3: We're picking up the flag because blah blah blah. Okay, fine,
Speaker 3: have you ever seen past interference called? They throw the flag,
Speaker 3: they announce it pass interference defense first down, and then
Speaker 3: they have a meeting and then they pick it up.
Speaker 3: It happened in the Texas Georgia game. I believe you're
Speaker 3: you're somewhat of a college football guy. Have you ever
Speaker 3: seen that before?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Never, never, ever, ever have I seen that? And it
Speaker 4: almost gave the like the impression the way they delayed it,
Speaker 4: like they I think they even marked it off like
Speaker 4: first down, spot it and then they the fans went crazy.
Speaker 4: That was the issue. Like it almost gave the impression
Speaker 4: because like the fan response elicited the reversal of the call. Now, ultimately,
Speaker 4: did they get the call right? Was it pass interference? No,
Speaker 4: but you can't make the call like that first down
Speaker 4: interception reversed George, But like shit comes flying from the
Speaker 4: stands and next thing, you know, eight eight minutes later
Speaker 4: or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, after consultation, after a conversation, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there was no PI like that. That was completely ridiculous.
Speaker 4: And thank god that it ultimately did not affect the
Speaker 4: outcome of the game, because, like I said, even though
Speaker 4: they got the call right, the way they went about
Speaker 4: doing it was good. God. Officiating has been a major
Speaker 4: issue in college football this year.
Speaker 3: How about you guys? Have you guys ever seen that before? Never?
Speaker 1: Never, No, it feeds into the hole. It feeds into
Speaker 1: the hole. Oh this thing is rigged, crowd, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's rigged. I think it's more like
Speaker 3: Chris said, they got intimidated by the crowd because the
Speaker 3: crowd was throwing bottles on the field.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you.
Speaker 3: But of course, of course it feeds into it. And
Speaker 3: and you know, the well whatever, the w W E
Speaker 3: ification of everything has been, you know, getting a little ridiculous.
Speaker 4: But whatever, don't talk about wolf Lakers like that.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's what I've I mean, I have nothing
Speaker 3: against Lebron. Some people hate Lebron. I have nothing against Lebron.
Speaker 3: I'm not positive or negative against them. But this is
Speaker 3: a charade. I mean, this is a charade. The guy
Speaker 3: averaged five points at the USC. I mean, come on,
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 1: Does he get sent does he get sent down to
Speaker 1: the G League now at some point or what? It's coming?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I would imagine I would, I would think so, but
Speaker 2: who knows.
Speaker 1: By the way they say, you know, Lebron, this was
Speaker 1: Lebron's dream? Was this Bronni's dream? Did you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah? To be like like the punch line of this like, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 4: you can go with the w NBA with the rigging
Speaker 4: as well. Well. The Lengths weren't happy. It's funny the
Speaker 4: Lengths were all upset after game five there. But you
Speaker 4: didn't hear anything about the ridiculous home cooking call at
Speaker 4: the end of game four which gave the Legs the
Speaker 4: win to get at the game five. Didn't hear any
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 1: Somebody had the liberty if someone needed the liberty bad
Speaker 1: you have the liberty tied in cross sport parlays.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the third leg of my crossboards. It
Speaker 4: started with Xander to win the British Open. Uh had
Speaker 4: the liberty and the ass two pieces there. I see
Speaker 4: Aaron Judge al MVP, which at the time I bet
Speaker 4: this back in June or July when I was out
Speaker 4: in LA for the soccer it was still like respectable.
Speaker 4: It was only like minus three ten And then I
Speaker 4: got had the Aces and liberty, and now I have
Speaker 4: Georgia and Ohio State to win college football championship, and
Speaker 4: I have Chiefs, Eagles, Ravens, Niners, Texans, Bills. So I'm
Speaker 4: two by six in football here to uh finish them.
Speaker 3: But about the Lions, I don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, all these past post fines, yeah, past post fines.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also he has forty wins Lions a.
Speaker 4: Lot lately because they worry me. I think I think
Speaker 4: we're gonna get Lions versus someone probably chiefs the Ravens
Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl. So I don't need to be
Speaker 4: sitting there sweating a mid five figure, low six figure
Speaker 4: swing on the fact that I did not include the
Speaker 4: Lions and any of these. But hey, you can only
Speaker 4: include so many before it gets a little bit too
Speaker 4: ridiculous to to do these.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're in good You're in a good position,
Speaker 1: that's for sure, Todd, Thank you. It was not a
Speaker 1: good position, was our records from last.
Speaker 3: Week, as on all our teasers last week, so we're
Speaker 3: coming back in Teaserville. My good friends Gil and Will
Speaker 3: unfortunately went against a guy named Patrick Mahomes as an
Speaker 3: underdog last week and that didn't go very well. Most
Speaker 3: of them went one two Unfortunately. Gilly moves to ten,
Speaker 3: ten and one, Willy moves to six and fifteen. I
Speaker 3: would suggest he's probably going to hurt back to even
Speaker 3: so stop fading, Willy, because sooner or later the Titans
Speaker 3: will cover. And I was one and two with Miami
Speaker 3: Seattle on the ravens under. I really felt I got
Speaker 3: the bad side of that Miami game if they hadn't
Speaker 3: fumbled at the ten yard line. But anyways, I'm twelve
Speaker 3: and nine on the guest though, mister Chris las Vegas
Speaker 3: went three and oh when our Dumbo of the week,
Speaker 3: which we don't even have to discuss years one of
Speaker 3: las Vegas Chris's pick was Raiders plus seven and he
Speaker 3: went three and oh to go to twelve, eight and
Speaker 3: one and four and three on the teasers, and of
Speaker 3: course we can do this very quickly. It's fourth.
Speaker 1: Well, no, we can't hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on. I don't think we can because Will, I
Speaker 1: believe Will has a point counterpoint on this.
Speaker 3: But do your shit, okay, I mean the basic is
Speaker 3: very clear. You're watching this game. The Raiders cannot move
Speaker 3: the ball one iota. The pass rushes all over Minshew.
Speaker 3: His name is Minshew, anyway, so even if he was
Speaker 3: had plenty of time, it's going to be hard. Anyways. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: they finally get miracle and it's twenty to twelve. They
Speaker 3: drive down first and goal at the four after a
Speaker 3: reverse that takes him down to the four. As the
Speaker 3: guy's running, I'm thinking, oh my god, if he doesn't
Speaker 3: get it in here, we're not going to get it
Speaker 3: in because I had an in game Raiders plus four
Speaker 3: which went down. But anyways, it's now first and goal
Speaker 3: at the flour.
Speaker 1: Just be a little more clear, because somebody is not
Speaker 1: going to understand what you're saying. The Raiders are trailing.
Speaker 3: Raiders are trailing twenty twenty to twelve, first in goal
Speaker 3: at the four yard line, roughly four minutes to go.
Speaker 3: First down, they throw the ball incomplete. Second down, they
Speaker 3: throw the ball incomplete. Third down, they throw the ball incomplete.
Speaker 3: And now it's fourth down and four, in which at
Speaker 3: that point they decide a good plan would be to
Speaker 3: get a false start. So now they moved back to
Speaker 3: fourth and nine. Fourth and nine at the nine. Remember
Speaker 3: they're losing twenty to twelve. And I want to give
Speaker 3: you the exact time, because I've heard some people get
Speaker 3: the time wrong.
Speaker 1: I can get it to you right now. I give
Speaker 1: it to you right now, and worth and at the
Speaker 1: rams nine with two. Well know the play begins with
Speaker 1: two fifty to go down eight.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, then then that was the false start shows that,
Speaker 3: but two forty six even so two fifty five two
Speaker 3: fifty to go.
Speaker 1: Six is after he kicks the fields, so two fifty sorry,
Speaker 1: fifty fifty yeah, so go.
Speaker 3: Twenty to twelve. It's fourth and thirty, fourth and four.
Speaker 3: He would have gone, correct, of course, Yes, it looked
Speaker 3: it sure looked like he was going, because they fall
Speaker 3: started unless they were trying to draw him off sides
Speaker 3: to get half the distance to the goal and fourth
Speaker 3: and goal from the two, which I don't think they
Speaker 3: were going to do. So it's now fourth and nine
Speaker 3: and it's still twenty to twelve, and there's still only
Speaker 3: two fifty left, and the Raiders can't move the ball anyways. Now,
Speaker 3: granted they had their timeouts left, they could theoretically stop
Speaker 3: them if they made a field goal and stop them,
Speaker 3: but remember if they stop them, they're going to be
Speaker 3: all the way back on their side of the field
Speaker 3: with no timeouts, with a team that really can't block.
Speaker 3: For Minshew to even throw a pass practically except in
Speaker 3: the last drive. I mean, it's insane basically, because you're
Speaker 3: not going to get the ball back with much time left.
Speaker 3: I think that it was about one let's see it
Speaker 3: was one thirty nine when he got the ball back
Speaker 3: with no timeouts at his own eleven yard line.
Speaker 1: After one first pout RAM they traded fourth and goal
Speaker 1: at the RAMS nine with two fifty to go down
Speaker 1: eight for or down five at their own eleven with
Speaker 1: one thirty nine left and no timeout. First scenario, they
Speaker 1: had all three of their timeouts. By the way, it
Speaker 1: should be noted that there is no guarantee that the
Speaker 1: three timeout thing would have worked either, right, so they
Speaker 1: actually it actually went according to plan. They were able
Speaker 1: to get the ball back. There was no guarantee that
Speaker 1: they'd be able to get the ball back with the
Speaker 1: three timeouts, but they were able to get it back.
Speaker 1: But that's still the trade they made. So even in
Speaker 1: the best case scenario is what I'm saying, they ended
Speaker 1: up with it down five all the way back having
Speaker 1: to go eighty nine yards. Now, the interesting thing about it,
Speaker 1: so you're saying Antonio Pierce, you haven't even said his name.
Speaker 1: You refuse to even utter his name. Antonio Pierce is
Speaker 1: the Dumbo of the week. But will will Hill he's
Speaker 1: on this podcast too. Will Hill, correctly, according to some
Speaker 1: fourth down bots, by the way, said that he thought
Speaker 1: that what the Vikings did was really bad, and according
Speaker 1: to the fourth down bots from this pastlast week, what
Speaker 1: the Vikings did was actually yes, what they did was
Speaker 1: actually worse. Will could you explain?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, you were talking to another game ookuick.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Vikings are up one with the ball uh
Speaker 2: three and change left, running down first down, running on
Speaker 2: second down, incomplete on third down, then fourth and four.
Speaker 2: They're in their own territory, I think, from their own
Speaker 2: thirty or so yard line, and they punt and they're
Speaker 2: only up one, and you know, like you're indoors, you're
Speaker 2: against the good offense. Golf has moved the ball up
Speaker 2: and down the field all day. You know that one
Speaker 2: point lead's not going to hold up, and you're punting
Speaker 2: where Detroit's not. Only if they get in a field
Speaker 2: goal range, they're probably going to do it in a
Speaker 2: way where it's going to take up the rest of
Speaker 2: the time and they're going to kick a field goal
Speaker 2: with time expires, which pretty much happened. I think there
Speaker 2: was maybe fifteen seconds left when they kicked the field goal.
Speaker 2: I thought going for it was the right decision because
Speaker 2: if you go for it and you get it, you
Speaker 2: pretty much end the game. I forget the timeout situation
Speaker 2: for Detroit. I think they had two lefts, so you
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't needed one more. But if you don't get it,
Speaker 2: it at least speeds the process up of Detroit scoring
Speaker 2: where you're going to get the all back with some time.
Speaker 2: So O'Connell's usually really sharp with this stuff, and the
Speaker 2: guys doing the game were kind of confused, like, wow,
Speaker 2: why is Detroit taking all this time? Detroit played it perfectly.
Speaker 2: I thought Minnesota should have been more aggressive and going
Speaker 2: for it there.
Speaker 3: You're talking about a fourth and fourth of Minnesota twenty eight. Yes,
Speaker 3: that would have been like a Bill Belichick. That would
Speaker 3: have been like that old Bill Belichick play against the Colts.
Speaker 3: If your remembers fourth and two against Peyton Manning and
Speaker 3: he went for it at his own twenty eight. It
Speaker 3: didn't work out. I think threw it to Kevin Faulk
Speaker 3: in the flat. It didn't go crazy. Everyone went crazy.
Speaker 1: That play that you're referring to, Todd really was because
Speaker 1: everyone went crazy, right, was really like ground zero for
Speaker 1: this kind of conversation. Right like before that, no one
Speaker 1: really talked about it. And when Belichick did that, people
Speaker 1: did lose their minds, like, how could you possibly even
Speaker 1: consider doing that kind of thing. I just thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting because I was with you, Todd. I was like,
Speaker 1: when I'm watching in the moment the Antonio Pierce thing, like,
Speaker 1: no one's ever going to beat this for Dumbo of
Speaker 1: the Week, and then was on I don't know when
Speaker 1: when you said it will if you said it on
Speaker 1: on a on a numbers game or when when you
Speaker 1: said it.
Speaker 2: But the fourth happened, it happened live.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when it happened live, I didn't really react to it.
Speaker 1: But I guess I was on red Zone at the time,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't really locked in completely. The fact that
Speaker 1: the four down bots said that that was worse than
Speaker 1: what Antonio Pierce did I found pretty interesting. I'm like, really,
Speaker 1: was it because like the.
Speaker 3: Well maybe yeah, maybe maybe, because I mean, because that's
Speaker 3: a little bit controversial going forward. Fourth and fourth Me personally,
Speaker 3: I agree with you guys. I agreed with Belichick that day.
Speaker 3: I agree with with going for it now that I
Speaker 3: think about it. Uh, because you knew that the Lions
Speaker 3: weren't not going to get a field goal, So that
Speaker 3: was pretty obvious. So that, But but to me, I
Speaker 3: think it's more like, Okay, if you had a regular situation,
Speaker 3: a regular offense, a regular offense that can move the ball,
Speaker 3: and you get the ball back with one thirty nine
Speaker 3: at your own eleven yard line, you're not looking good
Speaker 3: by any means. But if let's say you had Josh
Speaker 3: Allen or even Kyler Murray or even like you know,
Speaker 3: somebody like Geno Smith with all his receivers, if you
Speaker 3: had something like that, I'm not talking about you know,
Speaker 3: like Tyler Huntley with Miami or Tennessee's you know quarterback.
Speaker 1: Or the Night or the Night or the ninety one
Speaker 1: Skins with Barry Bonds, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about. I'm not talking about these kind
Speaker 3: of situations. I'm talking about a situation where, if you
Speaker 3: watch this game, Minshew could not get even a moment
Speaker 3: to throw the ball. The only reason they even moved
Speaker 3: it on that last drive was because the Rams played
Speaker 3: a little soft, and you know they're not going to
Speaker 3: play soft at that point, and because the Raiders still
Speaker 3: had the threat of the run. If the Raiders were
Speaker 3: just dropping back the past, there was no way they
Speaker 3: were driving that ball down the field. It was just
Speaker 3: inconceivable to me. So maybe because people would say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: in a normal situation, if you have Josh Allen one
Speaker 3: thirty nine to go, or maybe you have Baltimore's quarterback,
Speaker 3: you know, or you have the Redskins, they could go
Speaker 3: one thirty nine time. But this was the Raiders with
Speaker 3: that amnemic offense. That's what made me so you know, incensed.
Speaker 1: By the way when you reviewed our one and twos,
Speaker 1: the three of us were all one and two, I
Speaker 1: felt like you, uh, you did the top thing where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, let's go on for a paragraph about
Speaker 1: how stupid will and Gil were on their one and two.
Speaker 1: But mine was such a beautiful one and two where
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: If I don't give you the business, if I don't
Speaker 3: give you and Willie the business, people will get upset
Speaker 3: because you guys need to get from your pedestals of
Speaker 3: huge talking heads all over the huge networks. Otherwise I
Speaker 3: would you know, I'm just the common man. I'm the
Speaker 3: common man, that's all.
Speaker 5: You have a in game, common man, Yes, I just
Speaker 5: have a quick in game and want to see if
Speaker 5: you guys notice this as well, the team totals as
Speaker 5: the game goes by are really super interesting.
Speaker 3: And I'll give you one that I stayed away from
Speaker 3: in one that was good with the Ravens. The Ravens
Speaker 3: game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Buccaneers had it
Speaker 3: two times, had driven down and got a touchdown and
Speaker 3: a field goal on their first drives. They led ten
Speaker 3: to nothing. The Ravens in their second drive got a touchdown.
Speaker 3: It was ten to seven. Now the Buccaneers are driving
Speaker 3: down again early second quarter and throw the pick in
Speaker 3: the end zone and it's ten to seven, Ravens losing.
Speaker 3: At that point. The team total for the Ravens as
Speaker 3: I'm watching it, because I'm thinking to myself, the Ravens
Speaker 3: got one touchdown and one punt. There's nothing here that
Speaker 3: doesn't say that the Ravens are gonna score their points
Speaker 3: like they usually do, right, And the team total kept
Speaker 3: dropping because it was taking longer and longer for the
Speaker 3: Ravens to get the ball, And finally it had dropped
Speaker 3: to twenty six and a half right as that interception happened,
Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, Okay, Ravens get the ball.
Speaker 3: Now they also get the ball to start the third
Speaker 3: quarter and they're one for two on touchdowns and drives.
Speaker 3: Why can't they get the twenty six and a half?
Speaker 3: Of course they can, and they did. It was a
Speaker 3: very easy one. And the reason it was easy is
Speaker 3: because in the point that I want to make here
Speaker 3: with the Browns game, Brown game was the office. The
Speaker 3: Browns aren't moving the ball as usual. They got one
Speaker 3: touchdown with dtr The team total kept going down and
Speaker 3: down and down, and you kept thinking, should I bet
Speaker 3: under twelve and a half? Should I bet under eleven
Speaker 3: and a half? Should I bet under? And these numbers
Speaker 3: keep coming in and in, and I want to do it,
Speaker 3: but I think to myself, don't do it, because you
Speaker 3: might get burned at the end. And when as the
Speaker 3: Brown's got to score, and that's when it went to
Speaker 3: fourteen and a half, that was the opportunity to do it,
Speaker 3: and I didn't do it. But I also didn't do
Speaker 3: the twelve and a half. And then of course Jameis
Speaker 3: Winston comes down and gets the touchdown and the two
Speaker 3: to get to fourteen. So I guess the point that
Speaker 3: I want to make is, if you're interested in these
Speaker 3: team totals in the end, game. You've got to really
Speaker 3: watch and anticipate what's going to happen in a four
Speaker 3: minute drive by the other team. How far down is
Speaker 3: it going to go? Is it going to go under
Speaker 3: one of those key numbers like twenty eight or twenty
Speaker 3: seven that you're going to get And if you can
Speaker 3: anticipate that ahead of time, you can get yourself that
Speaker 3: little extra half point, which seems like nothing but is
Speaker 3: a gigantic difference between winning losing if you're getting twenty
Speaker 3: six and a half versus twenty eight and a half,
Speaker 3: because the books have this way of always putting it
Speaker 3: a little bit higher than you think it's gonna be,
Speaker 3: you know, the huff Ravens at twenty eight and a half,
Speaker 3: but then sooner or later they have to capitulate if
Speaker 3: the time is coming in, and then when they capitulate,
Speaker 3: that's when you have to jump on it.
Speaker 2: The double dip is always an interesting thing for in games.
Speaker 1: And I just I was thinking about this last week,
Speaker 1: like what was I was trying to think what was
Speaker 1: the one what was the team that botched it? It
Speaker 1: was it was the Jets, right against Pittsburgh Jets.
Speaker 4: They were up talking.
Speaker 2: Hard to believe they were up fifteen to six.
Speaker 1: They had the ball, they had the double dips set
Speaker 1: up and fun driving Andrew driving, and Aaron Rodgers just
Speaker 1: goes ahead and throws the beanie Bishop.
Speaker 2: That was a great pick.
Speaker 1: But still you know that that that changed that entire
Speaker 1: game around, you know absolutely which the Steelers ended up
Speaker 1: scoring what thirty consecutive points after that or for.
Speaker 2: Thirty thirty one?
Speaker 1: Whatever?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 1: All right, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Are we at the oh, Thursday night Football? Thursday night Football?
Speaker 1: Anybody anybody have a play or a thought?
Speaker 3: I do have?
Speaker 4: I do have?
Speaker 3: I have a play. Oh, I usually don't know.
Speaker 1: I've had I've got to play in Thursday Night football
Speaker 1: five straight weeks. I do not have one in this
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: My first time on Thursday Night Football. I am going
Speaker 3: to take the under forty eight In the Rams Vikings.
Speaker 3: I assume the Rams are getting back a bunch of
Speaker 3: their weapons, and that's why we're seeing all this Rams love.
Speaker 3: I know Pheesek likes the Rams. I'm going to go
Speaker 3: under forty eight because I look at all these these
Speaker 3: Vikings games, and these Viking games are really playing as
Speaker 3: under games. The only game that didn't really play as
Speaker 3: an undergame. Was that game this past week against the
Speaker 3: line thirty one twenty nine than that even the Packer
Speaker 3: game when they went up twenty eight nothing. The reason
Speaker 3: it ended thirty one to twenty nine is because they
Speaker 3: went into the prevent gave up all those backdoor touchdowns.
Speaker 3: If it had been a regular game, it would not
Speaker 3: have gone over. If you look at all the rest
Speaker 3: of the Vikings games, they play like regular defensive team
Speaker 3: under type games. To me, the Rams don't have enough
Speaker 3: offense to really turn this into a high scoring football
Speaker 3: game with the Rams with the Vikings, and I think
Speaker 3: the Vikings will turn this into a typical Vikings style
Speaker 3: game where they grind you and play good solid defense
Speaker 3: and Darnold does enough and they win, like you know,
Speaker 3: twenty four to fourteen or twenty seven to fourteen. I
Speaker 3: just don't see him giving up a ton of points
Speaker 3: to the Rams.
Speaker 1: I will give you one little detail that might corroborate
Speaker 1: your play. Kyron Williams runs inside the tackles at the
Speaker 1: fifth highest rate in the league. This is courtesy of
Speaker 1: Sean Kerner at the Action Network. The Vikings have been
Speaker 1: elite at defending outside runs, but are closer to the
Speaker 1: league average on the inside runs. So with the Vikings
Speaker 1: linebacker Blake Cashman out, probably again, Sean McVay may try
Speaker 1: to exploit the Vikings run defense by attacking them inside
Speaker 1: with Kyron a lot so. By the way, Blake Cashman
Speaker 1: is a pretty interesting thing when he's on the field.
Speaker 1: The Vikings average or opposing team's average four yards per
Speaker 1: carry against the Vikings without him, the average five point
Speaker 1: eight yards per carry. So could be a run heavy
Speaker 1: Rams approach. Just to sort of buttress you're under regular.
Speaker 1: You say regular, he's even regular, Todd regular regular? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, nobody else there's in that football anybody? No
Speaker 1: a lot of love for the Rams. There's two and
Speaker 1: a half sew. It's a tough spot for Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why are not a tough spots? Tell us more
Speaker 3: about that, Willie.
Speaker 2: Well, I just think that was kind of an all
Speaker 2: in game plan for for first place and really a
Speaker 2: chance to really like put their stamp on the division
Speaker 2: last week against Detroit. You lose it in the final seconds,
Speaker 2: then you gotta fly to LA And like Minnesota has
Speaker 2: been underdogs in a lot of these games. I know
Speaker 2: the Jets and the in the game last week are
Speaker 2: kind of coin foot games, but now you're laying three
Speaker 2: on the road, kind of go from being the hunter
Speaker 2: to being the hunted to travel. I just I don't know,
Speaker 2: and this is a good coaching staff for LA on
Speaker 2: a short week. I just think it's a tough spot.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold twenty eighth in EPA per drop back against pressure,
Speaker 1: fifth from a clean pocket when the when it's four
Speaker 1: rushers are less. The Rams defense fifth in pressure rate
Speaker 1: this season, so that's not good for Darnald. And Darnald
Speaker 1: has taken a sack on twenty five percent of his
Speaker 1: pressures this season, so that's pretty interesting. And then he's
Speaker 1: more efficient against man coverage by like three yards per
Speaker 1: attempt than he is against zone, and the Rams play
Speaker 1: zone seventy six percent of the time sixth highs.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of more under stuff for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of RAM stuff and then some understuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, what was Stafford's yardage trouble on what two
Speaker 4: thirty seven and a half or something like that tonight?
Speaker 4: That might be another way to maybe look at that.
Speaker 4: If the Kira and Williams stuff does manifest as well,
Speaker 4: and you're looking at a way to keep that Vikings
Speaker 4: offense off the field, and we're looking at anyway what
Speaker 4: is it now? Is uh two forty two and a half?
Speaker 4: Is actually uh Stafford something I know, I know we're
Speaker 4: not talking player props in any ropicks, but uh, that
Speaker 4: might be another way to attack it.
Speaker 1: A little underplay for.
Speaker 4: You on man maybe, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: As Stafford is rumored to be in trade, He's.
Speaker 4: Gonna get your buddy back. He's going to get your
Speaker 4: buddy Cooper Cup back.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get his He's going to get his boyfriend
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup back. Oh yeah, Matt Stafford. And uh will
Speaker 1: loves it when I go off with it. Matt Stafford,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, Sean McVay, they all live in the same
Speaker 1: cul de sac, a cool de sac that Pukakua does
Speaker 1: not live in, and so they all conspire to like,
Speaker 1: you know, just go to Cooper Cup all day long
Speaker 1: when the was on. By the way, Cooper Cup, by
Speaker 1: the way, Nikoua is questionable. Nikupa is like coming back
Speaker 1: at some point, very excited. Maybe I can win Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year from last year.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for keeping us up dated. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: By the way, did you guys see the Cooper Cup
Speaker 3: high school game in the championship State championship Cooper Cup
Speaker 3: against Zach Lavigne in high school and Cooper. I think
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: A quarterfinal game, he said, But yeah, I did see
Speaker 2: the clip of Cooper Cup talking about it was no.
Speaker 3: Did you see the actual did you see the clip
Speaker 3: where they actually have him playing.
Speaker 2: Maybe actually staff for talking to Cup. That's all I saw.
Speaker 3: This was this was the actually on Twitter they had
Speaker 3: an actual clip of like highlights of the game of
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup making jumpers and stuff like that. It was
Speaker 3: kind of interesting. I have to send it to you guys.
Speaker 1: He's playing against Zach Lavine of the Bulls.
Speaker 3: No zachly in high school. Yeah, zach Lavine, and he's
Speaker 3: guarding zach Lavine and zach Lavine is way bigger than
Speaker 3: him and everything. But but when Cooper comes team one
Speaker 3: by a lot.
Speaker 1: Nice segue from uh from MacCabe tel Aviv to Zach Levine,
Speaker 1: by the way, well done. I was like, what is
Speaker 1: he doing it?
Speaker 2: All right? Best bets time, right?
Speaker 1: Best bets with Christopher FeliCa starting first. Chris uh, Chris
Speaker 1: is to MC minimum tweets man, all right, Chris, you
Speaker 1: got the first best bet?
Speaker 2: What do you got?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 1: What is that.
Speaker 4: I have to do? Yeah, I'm gonna take I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: This is a brutal week, Like I had a hard
Speaker 4: time coming up with a bunch, But I think the
Speaker 4: best of the worst is probably Bengals minus two and
Speaker 4: a half against the Eagles. I don't the Eagles beat
Speaker 4: the Giants last week, but I think the Giants stink.
Speaker 4: You were looking at a Giant's offensive line that couldn't block,
Speaker 4: so clearly the Giants were not going to offer any
Speaker 4: threat to score. So I think people might be reading
Speaker 4: a little bit too much into that Eagles performance last week.
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurt still was not great in that game. I
Speaker 4: know he's got his wide receivers back. But the Bengals
Speaker 4: are getting a little bit healthier now. I know they
Speaker 4: weren't actually great in the game against Cleveland. They had
Speaker 4: that the kickoff turn for touchdown early on, so it
Speaker 4: wasn't like their offense was going crazy. But I think
Speaker 4: here at home, and I know the Bengals have been
Speaker 4: terrible at home, but I think the best unit on
Speaker 4: the field is that Bengals offense. And I'm an idiot
Speaker 4: for still believing in this Bengals. I bet them earlier
Speaker 4: in the week. I think plus one point fifteen to
Speaker 4: make the playoffs, because I think if you look at
Speaker 4: the rest of that AFC, with the Dolphins stinking and
Speaker 4: the Jets stinking, and you look at it like the
Speaker 4: Broncos and the Chargers right now kind of in playoff position,
Speaker 4: I still think there is a little bit of runway
Speaker 4: here for this Bengals team against UH in Eagle squad
Speaker 4: that I think is very overrated. I don't like their
Speaker 4: uh they're their head coach. I think their party coach.
Speaker 4: And was a nice emotional moment that he had with
Speaker 4: Saquon Balkerley and that in that video about it want
Speaker 4: to lead in and get the record, and Squan was like, nah,
Speaker 4: let the other guys eat, which I think was really cool.
Speaker 4: But here I think the Bengals will uh, well, well
Speaker 4: we'll cover with the jew and alfatop against Eagles you.
Speaker 1: Know, if you throw that, if you if you throw
Speaker 1: out the first game of the season, which the Bengals
Speaker 1: always are terrible. In the first game of the season, right,
Speaker 1: they lost to New England. They're three and three sins
Speaker 1: And you can say, oh, they only won at Carolina,
Speaker 1: at the Giants and at Cleveland are hardly a murderer's row.
Speaker 1: But you can also look at the other way, which
Speaker 1: is well, their three losses are at Kansas City by
Speaker 1: a point, against Washington I five that aged well, and
Speaker 1: versus Baltimore by free, so they still might be right.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so saying they led by ten in the fourth,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, Todd, what we're saying.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I was.
Speaker 3: Just gonna see have you ever could you ever imagine
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick or Parcels or Chump Noll sitting next to
Speaker 3: a guy and saying, hey, you're you've almost got the record,
Speaker 3: do you want to go back in? I mean, I
Speaker 3: know this is the way we now have a new
Speaker 3: world where the players are kind of the stars and
Speaker 3: the coaches are not as important. But it just to
Speaker 3: me there was something very weird about that. It's like
Speaker 3: you don't have enough to worry about the third down
Speaker 3: package and the special teams and what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: The offensive coordinator and you're talking, I know you're ahead
Speaker 3: by a lot. You're talking about the records with your
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a nice gesture, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: Just it just seems so out of sorts of what
Speaker 3: a great coach would ever do.
Speaker 4: But maybe I.
Speaker 2: So agree with you, Todd, I so agree with it.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like thevoalt of you know,
Speaker 1: modern day parenting, where you say to your kid, Hey, buddy, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay, you can.
Speaker 2: Go on the swing. Do you not want to go
Speaker 2: on this?
Speaker 3: You don't want to go on this?
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't have to.
Speaker 1: Go on the swing, you know, whereas our parents would
Speaker 1: have would have been like, you know, my goddamn swing.
Speaker 4: Out, damn it enough for the damn video games.
Speaker 1: Video games, go outside. Goddam No, that's true. It's such
Speaker 1: a good point. He's such a he's such a you know,
Speaker 1: he's not calling the plays right, he's not calling defense
Speaker 1: or offense or anything. He's the CEO. He's a Tomlin type,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the pedigree of Tom.
Speaker 3: But he has time to, but he has time to
Speaker 3: like worry that. Yeahlin would never do that, right, I
Speaker 3: mean there was nobody. I don't think you could think
Speaker 3: of any coach in the pantassy on if that's a
Speaker 3: word or the what's the word I'm looking for in
Speaker 3: the in the in the pantheon, not the pantasia, the
Speaker 3: pantheon of NFL coaches. I can't imagine a single one
Speaker 3: of them doing that. Tom Landry is not going up
Speaker 3: to Drew Pearson and saying, hey, do you want to
Speaker 3: go in for a couple more of your hearts?
Speaker 1: Your your love of Jackie Joyner Kersey really uh really
Speaker 1: shined through there.
Speaker 3: With your loved Anyway, it's Will's turn, is it?
Speaker 2: Willstern?
Speaker 1: I thought was your turn after after the game.
Speaker 3: I already picked my pick rams under forty eight.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Willster? Is your podcast? Thank god your hair?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Well, I have to keep things, you know, going.
Speaker 2: Denver, Carolina, what do we have for a total? Forty
Speaker 2: forty one and a half.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing, right, Caroline, I'm seeing forty two and a half.
Speaker 4: One spot forty one and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say forty two is.
Speaker 3: The Okay, give them forty two, forty two.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna go under Bryce Young starting for Carolina.
Speaker 2: I just don't think they'll be able to score. And
Speaker 2: I think Denver comes into this game saying there's only
Speaker 2: one way we could possibly lose that, and that is
Speaker 2: that we just give the game away with turnover. So
Speaker 2: they'll be conservative. It'll be similar to the game last
Speaker 2: week against the Saints, where hey, let's just run it,
Speaker 2: let's run it, and let's run it some more. That
Speaker 2: game got over the total late with some late game wonkiness.
Speaker 2: But I see a similar type of game where Denver
Speaker 2: just come out and smothers them and wins the game,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty three to six, twenty six to ten,
Speaker 2: something like that. I'm gonna go under forty one and
Speaker 2: a half Carolina Denver, under forty two, Carolina.
Speaker 1: Denver, under forty two, Carolina Denver. I am going to
Speaker 1: go with. There was a few really weird lines to
Speaker 1: me when I did guessing lines on Monday. The weirdest
Speaker 1: to me was the fact Seattle Seahawks are getting a
Speaker 1: full three at home against the Buffalo Billiards. There's not
Speaker 1: much of this handicap other than I thought that Seattle,
Speaker 1: and I was giving Buffalo respect difference between Seattle being
Speaker 1: a three point favorite and being a pick ups. I said,
Speaker 1: Seattle minus one and a half. If you had told
Speaker 1: me Buffalo minus one and a half, I'd been like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: wrong team favorite. But Buffalo minus three on the road.
Speaker 1: So if Buffalo is hosting Seattle, are you telling me
Speaker 1: that that's a nine point spread or eight and a
Speaker 1: half whatever you want to make home field or eight.
Speaker 1: I just don't see that. And I have, like Josh
Speaker 1: Allen can put on his cape and he can prove
Speaker 1: me wrong. But I'm not really sure what the justification
Speaker 1: is for full three points. So it's very simple. I'm
Speaker 1: taking Seattle plus. Did you do you all think that
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't. I don't view that as a
Speaker 1: massive thing.
Speaker 4: Fun.
Speaker 3: What did Chris say, because it got blurry there on
Speaker 3: my technology, I.
Speaker 4: Said, could it be a little could do the medcalf
Speaker 4: injury potentially have something to do with it being maybe
Speaker 4: three instead of two or something like that.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, and what I said was it doesn't
Speaker 1: really like, you know, is that enough to make it
Speaker 1: three points?
Speaker 2: Say that to his face? I dare you.
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still working up the courage to say
Speaker 1: things to Tonio Pierce's face.
Speaker 2: But I will tell you this.
Speaker 1: I heard word downstairs from the valet. Antonio Pierce might
Speaker 1: have moved down.
Speaker 4: Move wow, get ahead of the game. So I shouldn't
Speaker 4: betting Abou one hundred and fifty to be NFL Coach
Speaker 4: of the Year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not, probably not? Do I do a snake?
Speaker 1: Is it my turn again?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But before you before you go again? WILLI would you?
Speaker 3: Would you rather take Carolina fifteen and a half team
Speaker 3: total under or under forty two?
Speaker 4: Like you to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because how are they going to get the fifteen
Speaker 3: and a half? That's crazy?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: I agree?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sorry Gilly, Sorry, I h I uh my my picks
Speaker 1: in my second pick, right, is going to be the
Speaker 1: ready for this? I am. I'm acting like it's something
Speaker 1: like amazing. And then I'm about to say I'm going
Speaker 1: to take the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: It's four four.
Speaker 1: Hosting the Cowboys. Yeah, four four. I'm listen. The injuries
Speaker 1: are what are absolutely you know there's no Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 1: anymore for the season. Christian McCaffrey's not yet there. Dray
Speaker 1: green Law is not yet there. Debo will be fine.
Speaker 1: He was he had pneumonia. I think he'll be okay.
Speaker 1: But brock Perty looked terrible last week against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: But the Chiefs are this really good defense that and
Speaker 1: they have Patrick Mahomes, I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 1: about that, and that guy's like a hack for the
Speaker 1: whole league. And so you know, the Niners had their chances,
Speaker 1: they couldn't take advantage. They end up losing by ten,
Speaker 1: which was kind of cosmetic because the Niners got a
Speaker 1: garbage touchdown. But I just don't see how the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys at on the road at San Francisco are only
Speaker 1: a four point dog. I don't know what there is
Speaker 1: in the reputation or any what the Cowboys have done
Speaker 1: on the field at all that makes them that, you
Speaker 1: know that this tightly lined of a game. I just
Speaker 1: think the Niners, even with those injuries, are a better
Speaker 1: football team. The Cowboys still have the same problems they
Speaker 1: always have. They cannot run the foot to begin with,
Speaker 1: it is not even a part of the game, so
Speaker 1: they're completely one dimensional on offense. A Niners defense that
Speaker 1: is down this year as opposed to last year. That
Speaker 1: will help them Whenever an opposing offense is one dimensional,
Speaker 1: that makes it that much easier.
Speaker 2: I don't think four is enough.
Speaker 1: I'll take the Niners minus four.
Speaker 3: It's funny Chris said to us on the text that
Speaker 3: the Niners down to eight and a half wins, and
Speaker 3: let's be fair, they're not really a three and four team.
Speaker 3: They're a five and two team. They gave away the
Speaker 3: game against the Rams, they gave away the game against
Speaker 3: the Cardinals. They're not really three and four. They should
Speaker 3: be five and two. And Chris was saying, Hey, the
Speaker 3: Niners down to eight and a half, and I'm not
Speaker 3: sure whether he thought that was I guess his point being, Hey,
Speaker 3: we got to go over this. But I looked at
Speaker 3: the schedule. It's pretty brutal. What did you think about, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 4: It was more that you look at from where their
Speaker 4: win total was before the year and the fact that
Speaker 4: they should be five and two, and it's like, wow,
Speaker 4: there was a there's a real adjustment here and a
Speaker 4: real concern about these injuries coupled with the schedule, Like
Speaker 4: it almost felt like it was almost like a dare
Speaker 4: you to go eight and a half kind kind of deal. Well,
Speaker 4: there's no way the Niners are going to have a
Speaker 4: losing season fintac eight and nine. For sure, They'll finish
Speaker 4: at least nine and eight. So yeah, I'd want no
Speaker 4: part of playing that, being that we already have under
Speaker 4: eleven and a half from from preseason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go through the Niner schedule, you do
Speaker 1: the whole win loss win loss thing.
Speaker 2: From that from now forward.
Speaker 1: If they go nine and eight, it's like a pretty
Speaker 1: big feat. It looks like right now and they will.
Speaker 4: Nine and eight. Do you think that? You think if
Speaker 4: they know the division?
Speaker 1: Oh, they might, they might. I think that division is
Speaker 1: going to be a That division is not going to
Speaker 1: have more than a ten win team. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2: Not impossible the division winner gets eight nine there.
Speaker 1: But if they are to go nine and eight, they
Speaker 1: have to win this game against now, like, you have
Speaker 1: to win this that's part of the win column to
Speaker 1: go nine in it.
Speaker 3: You want to hear the schedule real quick.
Speaker 1: I have it right in front of me, please, So now,
Speaker 1: what's the record right now?
Speaker 3: There're three and four. Currently, they're playing home against the
Speaker 3: Cowboys this week. You could probably give them a win there,
Speaker 3: four and four Niners at Buccaneers next week, which looks
Speaker 3: easier now that there's no Evans and everything. Then Seahawks.
Speaker 3: They're playing Seahawks. They're playing at home, which is not
Speaker 3: just a gimme game. Then they play at the Packers.
Speaker 3: You gotta think they might be a dog there. They're
Speaker 3: playing at the Bills, they might be a dog there.
Speaker 3: Then they're playing the Bears at home. They should be
Speaker 3: able to beat the Rams at home. They should be
Speaker 3: able to win that. At the Dolphins if two is back,
Speaker 3: maybe that's not a gimme. And then their last two
Speaker 3: Lions at home, that's gonna be tough. And then at
Speaker 3: the Cardinals, which is not just easy. So I don't
Speaker 3: see you know, do you see six wins in there?
Speaker 3: Just so easy there.
Speaker 1: You make a great point about that Tampa game, because
Speaker 1: that Tampa game getting easier makes ten wins that much
Speaker 1: more possible than nine. So like that, that's a big
Speaker 1: deal that that happened. Because, by the way, we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about and I had to talk with this with
Speaker 1: Kelly on on the radio side on this, I really
Speaker 1: did think he thought I was being a little too exaggerated.
Speaker 1: But like the Bucks. I know that they kept they
Speaker 1: kept things kept happening, including an onside kick recovery that
Speaker 1: kept them in that game Monday night against the raven
Speaker 1: But it's like, realistically they couldn't win it, right, you know,
Speaker 1: they had a shot, but it was realistically they weren't
Speaker 1: going to win it. But as long as they kept
Speaker 1: having that that glimmer of hope, they kept playing football.
Speaker 1: And they already had the hamstring with Evans getting reaggravated earlier,
Speaker 1: and then they lose God Will with a dislocated ankle
Speaker 1: for for the rest of the year. That's brutal, Man,
Speaker 1: That like that might have killed your whole season brutal.
Speaker 1: And so in an implication of that, could be like
Speaker 1: a team like the Niners. That's the difference between them
Speaker 1: winning a division and not maybe maybe doing it with
Speaker 1: all your wins and losses that you just mentioned, don
Speaker 1: Is that to me? That's that sounded more ten and
Speaker 1: seven than it did nine and eight, whereas if the
Speaker 1: Bucks did have those receivers, that sounded more nine and eight. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, you'll win something that you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: and you'll lose something that you're not supposed to anyway,
Speaker 1: that's my number two. It's a niner.
Speaker 3: It's Willy's turns.
Speaker 2: Willie Cleveland Browns plus eight and a half to me,
Speaker 2: at some point some of these roads, these home.
Speaker 3: Give them the nine that that's the fair number is
Speaker 3: nine out there. I think.
Speaker 1: It's nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you deserve the nine, Willie, because if you're going
Speaker 3: to do it, at least get your money's worth.
Speaker 2: So go ahead. At some point some of these home
Speaker 2: dogs are going to come through again. These last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks, it's been nothing but road chalk, and to me,
Speaker 2: it's simple. It's just about Watson. It's about the fact
Speaker 2: that he has to throw it for two hundred yards
Speaker 2: all season. You're playing with a non NFL quarterback at quarterback.
Speaker 2: He's been that bad, and Winston's going to come in
Speaker 2: and he's a quarterback with a pulse. He's going to
Speaker 2: reinvigorate everybody. This is a division game and maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit of a flat spot here for Baltimore because
Speaker 2: you know, Washington's kind of a mini rival game. Then
Speaker 2: they're playing on Monday night. Now you're on a short week,
Speaker 2: even dating back a couple of weeks ago, they're playing
Speaker 2: the Bengals. They're playing the Bills. This is maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit of a flat spot. I just think the
Speaker 2: upgrade from Winston to Watson is not that I'm some
Speaker 2: huge Watson, some huge Winston fan, but I just think
Speaker 2: the fact you have a professional NFL quarterback in there
Speaker 2: after what Watson's given you, after what DTR has given you.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that was last week playing DTR
Speaker 2: over Winton. That was very strange. You spent a strange
Speaker 2: situation just in general. But I will take the home
Speaker 2: dog here Cleveland plus to nine.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were tagged on this, Todd,
Speaker 1: but when the Titans went up ten to nothing last
Speaker 1: week against the Bills, I got a tweet and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you and Todd are gonna will such
Speaker 1: an apology.
Speaker 2: With let's let this play let this play out.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I was an idiot too, because
Speaker 3: I played team total over seventeen and a half at
Speaker 3: that point with Tennessee. As they were moving the ball
Speaker 3: on them, I was like, you can't get seven and
Speaker 3: a half more points. Boy. They just reverted back to
Speaker 3: their Titan their tightening Titans action.
Speaker 1: After that, that was another game, though, we talked about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Jets were up fifteen to six, they
Speaker 1: had a double dip opportunity, and then Rogers throws the
Speaker 1: pick and the whole game changes. Remember the Titans, I
Speaker 1: want to say we're up by a field goal. Don't
Speaker 1: hold me to that at the beginning of the second half.
Speaker 2: I think we were.
Speaker 1: But at the beginning of the second half it was.
Speaker 2: The very first time they had the ball.
Speaker 1: They go for it on fourth down in their own
Speaker 1: territory and they don't get it, and it was like
Speaker 1: the floodgates just open. So there's little moments in these
Speaker 1: games where you just really do wonder. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: why did they feel the need to do that? You're
Speaker 1: up three early third quarter? What are you Why are.
Speaker 2: You going for it?
Speaker 3: Wasn't like it was fourth and one on your own side,
Speaker 3: on your own.
Speaker 1: Right with Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would have rather had Duck Hodges actually,
Speaker 3: but anyways, yeah, I have I have the Seattle plus
Speaker 3: three circle does one of my three picks, but you
Speaker 3: took it, So I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I guess, okay, man, you don't have to do I.
Speaker 3: Just I don't know. I'd like to I want. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Houston. What do you have as
Speaker 3: minus five? Is that what they are now?
Speaker 1: Minus five?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Houston minus five. I think
Speaker 3: Houston was very lucky to be in that game last week,
Speaker 3: and it was really more like they were, you know,
Speaker 3: they didn't play their best. I feel like they got
Speaker 3: to come out against the Colts and really rejigger this thing.
Speaker 3: But the thing that most made me want Houston is
Speaker 3: the first game of the year. I believe they played
Speaker 3: twenty nine to twenty seven, and I believe Indianapolis got
Speaker 3: a bunch of scores on bomb passes, you know, like
Speaker 3: long Anthony Richardson passes, and it was really not indicative
Speaker 3: of being a two point game had any of those
Speaker 3: passes not been completed. So I just think Houston is
Speaker 3: a lot better than the Colts. I don't believe the
Speaker 3: Colts should have won last week. In fact, the Dolphins
Speaker 3: had the ball inside the fifteen yard line with the
Speaker 3: tie score and then they lost their quarterback and everything.
Speaker 3: But Miami was kind of dominating that game in the
Speaker 3: first half of that game. I was not impressed with
Speaker 3: Richardson coming back and playing on offense, and I just
Speaker 3: feel like Houston is going to have to give a
Speaker 3: nice performance after last week's really bad performance. They were
Speaker 3: in the game because of the turnovers, but I just
Speaker 3: didn't like how they played. I feel like they're going
Speaker 3: to make a comeback performance here at home. And five
Speaker 3: is not that many points. I'll take Houston minus the five.
Speaker 3: I just think they are a different class of football
Speaker 3: team than the Colts.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, can I just I just want to like,
Speaker 1: there's thirty two teams in the NFL. I just want
Speaker 1: to name eight of a quarter of the league. New
Speaker 1: England one and six, Las Vegas two and five, Cleveland
Speaker 1: one and six, Tennessee one and five. Hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: getting to a point here. The Giants are two and five,
Speaker 1: Carolina's one and six. New Orleans without their starting quarterback
Speaker 1: is two and five. And then I didn't even mention,
Speaker 1: you know, a team like Jacksonville. Jets like Jacksonville at
Speaker 1: two and five. Right, So that's eight. That's a quarter
Speaker 1: of the league.
Speaker 4: He as everybuddy SVP says, Gilly's Pooptown.
Speaker 2: It's poop town, is exactly right.
Speaker 1: I say it's the poo poo platter it's just maybe
Speaker 1: we've had years where like this, many teams suck that bad.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure because I didn't even mention, right,
Speaker 1: we didn't mention the Tennessees and the Indianapolis of the world. Right, No,
Speaker 1: I did mention Tennessee, but I didn't mention like the
Speaker 1: Indianapolises of the world who are four and three, or
Speaker 1: the Miamis and the Jets who are two and four
Speaker 1: and two and five. And I'm just sort of giving them.
Speaker 2: A pass at this point.
Speaker 1: But they kind of sucked too, because we were doing
Speaker 1: our power rankings and it's like, you can get to
Speaker 1: fifteen and then somewhere right there in the middle, it
Speaker 1: just drops off a Clifton.
Speaker 2: We it's the same sort of thing. And like Brady Breeze, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Manning Rivers. You can throw Matt Ryan. These
Speaker 2: guys retired and nobody really stepped up and replaced him,
Speaker 2: Big Ben, and there's just not enough good quarterbacks to
Speaker 2: go around. We don't have a quarterback. It's just you
Speaker 2: have nothing.
Speaker 1: For many years, Russell Wilson was the one bridge from
Speaker 1: that generation to the next one. All right, in my way,
Speaker 1: let me just say this also in a span of
Speaker 1: one game, I went from what is Mike Tomlin doing
Speaker 1: starting this guy?
Speaker 2: He's terrible?
Speaker 1: What is he doing giving the game to the Jets,
Speaker 1: And then like three quarters later, I'm like, fucking genius.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Like they have a deep ball. He throws
Speaker 1: it whereas fields won't even try to throw it. I
Speaker 1: hate you, Mike Tomlin. You make me look dumb. Is
Speaker 1: it my turn?
Speaker 2: Third?
Speaker 3: No, it's mister Chris Flis.
Speaker 2: Turn Christopher Felika.
Speaker 1: You have two.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need Todd's help here with the first one, Okay,
Speaker 4: I mean golf. Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins number one.
Speaker 3: Three, panted Dolphins, pre pants Dolphins, go, pre pants Dolphins
Speaker 3: runner one.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for the help there. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna lay the three and a half with with Miami
Speaker 4: because to pick up on what I think it was
Speaker 4: Todd talking about that Colt Dolphins game that was complete
Speaker 4: the Dolphins. They lost that game because of the ridiculousness
Speaker 4: of their awful quarterback play. And regardless of what you
Speaker 4: think about too of you actually have a professional, legitimate
Speaker 4: starting quarterback back under center this week at home. Hopefully
Speaker 4: he will stay healthy. I think the reaction of his team,
Speaker 4: how you've seen them welcome him back and break they
Speaker 4: really want to see him succeed three and a half
Speaker 4: at home against an Arizona team. That Look, they got
Speaker 4: the win against the Chargers the other night, but in
Speaker 4: the text that you even said it, Gil, like that
Speaker 4: was perfect, justin Herbert Chargers with the stat line like that,
Speaker 4: not being able to score a touchdown. Cardinals scored seventeen
Speaker 4: week before they got blown out, score thirteen points against
Speaker 4: the Backers, beat the came back from thirteen down and
Speaker 4: the fourth to beat the kickerless Niners. Score fourteen against
Speaker 4: the Commodes the week before, thirteen against the Lions the
Speaker 4: week before. Like their offense is kind of getting figured
Speaker 4: out a little bit. So I think the Dolphins get
Speaker 4: right here at home, and I think they welcome to
Speaker 4: a back with the win. I think the offense looks
Speaker 4: a heck of a lot difference this week this week
Speaker 4: than it has with the Tim Boyle and hot Rod
Speaker 4: Huntley there.
Speaker 1: It is amazing, Like you know, you're talking about upgrade
Speaker 1: to jamis, upgrade to two U is like you know
Speaker 1: on steroids version of that. Right, We appreciate these guys
Speaker 1: we didn't appreciate before. Quarterback play is just so got
Speaker 1: off one, yep, you get another one.
Speaker 4: Is yeah, I'm I'm gonna take the Bucks plus two
Speaker 4: and a half just because I can't lay points with
Speaker 4: the Falcons on the road. And I know, God winning
Speaker 4: Evans are out, but I think with with Bucky Irving
Speaker 4: in the backs that they have and utilizing hot and
Speaker 4: and some of the Titans, I still think they'll be
Speaker 4: able to figure out a way to move the ball.
Speaker 4: Like Baker's gonna throw regardless, and at some point he's
Speaker 4: gonna turn the ball over. At some point he's gonna
Speaker 4: make some great throws. The way how poorly their defense
Speaker 4: played against Derrick Henry and Lamar the other day, but
Speaker 4: again you're talking about an A list running back, Offensive
Speaker 4: Player of the Year and Derrick Henry raining MVP in
Speaker 4: the mix for MVP again with the quarterback who can move,
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins cannot move, and I think Bijean and Algier
Speaker 4: a little bit different of a back than Derrick Henry.
Speaker 4: Bucks getting two and a half at home here just
Speaker 4: because I can't I can't buy the Falcons. I can't
Speaker 4: lay points with the Falcons at home and there might
Speaker 4: be a little bit of an over reaction here just
Speaker 4: because of the wide receivers being out for Tampa.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is the Bay just beat them
Speaker 3: theoretically the game before that. I know, Atlanta won the
Speaker 3: game in overtime, but like to be fair, Atlanta deserved
Speaker 3: to lose that game, you know. And and by the way,
Speaker 3: Atlanta probably deserved to lose the New Orleans game too,
Speaker 3: And they may have lost the Philadelphia Eagle game too
Speaker 3: had they not gotten the miracle at the end of
Speaker 3: that one. I could totally see the Falcons being a
Speaker 3: two and five or three and fourteen easily. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you guys agree with that.
Speaker 1: But by the way, this is this is a massive game,
Speaker 1: right because of what you just said, Todd, that Atlanta
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay game. Atlanta had no business winning that. Both
Speaker 1: of those teams are four and three at the top
Speaker 1: of the NFC South, And so if Tampa Bay loses it,
Speaker 1: they're in effect because of they'd be swept. They didn't
Speaker 1: effect me two games behind Atlanta, right because Atlanta would
Speaker 1: win the head This is a massive game for the Bucks.
Speaker 2: Really, No, it's my turn my turn, Todd wishnev.
Speaker 3: I mean I was gonna be I have my so
Speaker 3: funny because you guys have Seattle pus three and then
Speaker 3: he is Miami minus. That was my other pick was
Speaker 3: Miami minus three, and I could duplicate and go with
Speaker 3: Miami minus three as well. However, the next one on
Speaker 3: my list I think was I'm gonna do something you're
Speaker 3: never supposed to do in the old days. In the
Speaker 3: old days, they said, never do this, never lay ten
Speaker 3: points in a National League game.
Speaker 1: I think we're going today.
Speaker 3: They used to say that, these to say, don't lay
Speaker 3: ten points in a National Football League game. Now, the
Speaker 3: question that I have for you is Lions Titans a
Speaker 3: National Football League game? Is it? Because I see one
Speaker 3: National Football and I see another team that could play
Speaker 3: maybe play in the SEC. That's being the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Titans have a quarterback. Mason Rudolph
Speaker 3: is not the answer. Okay, whoever else they have over there.
Speaker 3: It's a joke. Will Levis whatever. Detroit Lions my eleven
Speaker 3: and a half. I you know, I know that I'm
Speaker 3: probably doing something wrong here because the Lions just blew
Speaker 3: out the Cowboys they just had the huge win against
Speaker 3: the Vikings. It's a perfect spot for the Lions to
Speaker 3: be to be flat here and not give their best
Speaker 3: effort and win like twenty seven to seventeen or some
Speaker 3: nonsense like that. But that being said, this is a
Speaker 3: bet against the Tennessee Titans. I just don't see how
Speaker 3: they're going to score the football with Mason Rudolph. Did
Speaker 3: you watch the Miami game on that Monday night football game?
Speaker 3: It was it was I mean, it's like pulling teeth.
Speaker 3: He goes back to pass, he throws a six yard
Speaker 3: pass to the tight end, and if it's complete, you're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, they did it second and four. All right,
Speaker 3: let's do it, you know. I mean, it's just not
Speaker 3: It doesn't look like NFL football to me and the Lions.
Speaker 3: How do you stop this team? They just line up
Speaker 3: and they do. Dan Campbell look, look, Dan Campbell said
Speaker 3: one thing, We're gonna bring you endless wings.
Speaker 4: Here at Theme.
Speaker 3: I know I've done this routine a couple of Well,
Speaker 3: let's be honest, I'm bringing you some wings. And then
Speaker 3: after the wings, I'm gonna bring you some more wings.
Speaker 3: And guess what they're gonna get after that some more
Speaker 3: Jamar Gibbs and the other guy who's injured. Anyways, the
Speaker 3: point is we're gonna just beat the hot That's what
Speaker 3: we do here Lions football. We don't get we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: We're gonna run hooking ladders to our right tackle when
Speaker 3: we're up by thirty.
Speaker 4: We don't care. By the way, I had I had
Speaker 4: some great wings last night. Will Will Will knows where
Speaker 4: I got my wings from.
Speaker 2: Last night in Cannady. Oh yeah, I saw was jealous.
Speaker 4: He's in plain Book, Connecticut.
Speaker 2: Where where'd you get them? J? J?
Speaker 4: Jay Timothy's in Plainville, Connecticut. They got these honey gold
Speaker 4: barbecue wings. And if you get them dirt style, that
Speaker 4: means they they're they're sauced, they're deep, they're fried, and
Speaker 4: then they're sauced again and there they are outstanding. And then.
Speaker 3: Time, Chris, do you throw a game wing? Do you
Speaker 3: throw a game wing to one of the waitresses who
Speaker 3: brings you the win? Because Dan Campbell throws the game ball.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have been watching this.
Speaker 3: After game Dan Campbell's speeches are so good to say,
Speaker 3: I want to give the game ball to this guy
Speaker 3: and He's like throwing the ball around stuff and at
Speaker 3: the wings. He should do the same thing. You know,
Speaker 3: I want to give this to Tiffany here.
Speaker 4: Should have thrown on Kali. Yeah, here's here's the game
Speaker 4: wing for you. Mout thanks for picking them up.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she'll love that having a wing tossed at it. Willie,
Speaker 2: I am so fucking tempted to take the Titans again,
Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna I can't.
Speaker 2: I need, I need a break from the Titans. Oh God,
Speaker 2: you're a jilted lover. I'm just gonna take away. So
Speaker 2: you know this is the week they cover. I'll go
Speaker 2: under forty seven Bill Seahawks. Some uh, some rain, some
Speaker 2: wind in the forecast, maybe no metcalf you know m
Speaker 2: McDonald and McDermott or defensive coaches. McDermott can be very conservative,
Speaker 2: so to me, this is like a twenty three to
Speaker 2: twenty type of game. That's a high total. These high
Speaker 2: totals of not be getting home in the NFL, so
Speaker 2: forty seven is a pretty high one. I will go
Speaker 2: under forty seven. What was your first pick?
Speaker 3: Will on the show earlierly for Carolina.
Speaker 1: Ah because I knew Bryce Young came up. I am
Speaker 1: doing Todd not exactly what you did, but it's the
Speaker 1: same sort of thing. You are never supposed to lay
Speaker 1: this many points in the National Football League. It is
Speaker 1: not a good long term winning proposition. But am I
Speaker 1: seeing a nine and a half on the Broncos versus
Speaker 1: the Panther? It's not a nine and a half.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I see nine and a half San Tens.
Speaker 3: What do you guys think is more prevalent?
Speaker 1: I'm seeing just as many nine and a half.
Speaker 3: Chris will let you make the call. Chris, you make
Speaker 3: the call.
Speaker 4: I see, I mean right right now, I have the
Speaker 4: the wager talk off. I see nine and a half
Speaker 4: at circa nine and a half at super Book, nine
Speaker 4: and a half at DraftKings, and ten everywhere else.
Speaker 2: Ten sounds like.
Speaker 3: We'll give him a doctor.
Speaker 1: Bob and I used to have the rule it's got
Speaker 1: to be at three three major books nine and a
Speaker 1: half Broncos. Do I even need to explain Broncos defense
Speaker 1: versus Bryce Young full stop? I just don't know. Like,
Speaker 1: by the way, Bryce Young getting the start because Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton got in the car crash and he hurt.
Speaker 2: Himself a little bit.
Speaker 1: Are we to believe that Bryce Young has become a
Speaker 1: better football player in the last three four weeks. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe he has, but I'll certainly she did not grow.
Speaker 1: I think the growth spurt is over. We'll check on
Speaker 1: that too. But the Broncos, I mean, say what you
Speaker 1: will about the Broncos. As much as Sean Payton has
Speaker 1: whispered up bro Nicks, Broncos defense is kind of unassailable.
Speaker 1: Despite you know, going through injuries like that with Patrick Sartan.
Speaker 1: The Broncos are certain getting the best of it here.
Speaker 1: They got to face h Spencer Rattler last week, and
Speaker 1: now they have extra rest for this game against the
Speaker 1: Panthers as well, and they get Bryce Young. I will
Speaker 1: lay the nine and a half, and I will do
Speaker 1: so confidently as my third.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting pick because I'm hearing something and I
Speaker 3: had to get this set up brow because we have
Speaker 3: Willie and Gilly in the same game, but they're two
Speaker 3: different picks. How do we set this up? Oh? Here
Speaker 3: we go, first dead ten from the twenty yard life,
Speaker 3: thirty two seconds to play. It's twenty seven thirteen the
Speaker 3: Carolina Panthers bye by fourteen. Bryce young with the ball
Speaker 3: back to pass. He gets scrambled out of there. You wait,
Speaker 3: is he gonna run?
Speaker 2: He's gonna run for it? Fifteen ten fives.
Speaker 5: And to the prolog, I don't know if he got in.
Speaker 1: Did he get it?
Speaker 3: Take do touchdown twenty seven twenty? That goes over and
Speaker 3: Carolina covers.
Speaker 1: Only cow Jesus, I get worried about him. You're the
Speaker 1: best part. The best part of that routine is the
Speaker 1: best part.
Speaker 4: That bit is.
Speaker 1: Unlike the and unlike the dolphin song. I never see
Speaker 1: this one coming. It always surprises me.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm hearing something.
Speaker 1: And then Todd almost kills himself by anything his breath.
Speaker 3: I had to set it up properly to knock off
Speaker 3: the total and the spread at the same time.
Speaker 1: I tell you, Johnny down a score that would apply
Speaker 1: the boat like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: There at the end, it was very close.
Speaker 1: It always involves a pylon with you.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, I wasn't I wasn't sure if it
Speaker 4: was going to be Deontay Johnson with a toe tap
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 2: Have any of these ever played out where we go?
Speaker 2: We go back and listen, and this is actually what happened.
Speaker 2: I don't keep track of these enough, any of these
Speaker 2: actually fuition?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the dream Todd nursing a one and a half
Speaker 1: game lead over me in the and that's going down.
Speaker 2: Right place, all right, which brings us to, Hey, we are.
Speaker 1: All on a one game winning stream in teasers.
Speaker 3: We're getting We're getting right back in it, by the way,
Speaker 3: me and William two and five, four and three, Gil,
Speaker 3: you're at a respectable one and six. You're gonna get
Speaker 3: right back in this thing.
Speaker 1: I love you, Shmack talking at two and five? All right, Chris,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite two legs six boy teaser of the week?
Speaker 4: Sir comodes plus eight and a half and then Chiefs
Speaker 4: Raiders under forty seven and a half? Oh, comodes north
Speaker 4: of touchdown? And how are the Raiders scoring? We're talking
Speaker 4: about some team scoring. How are the Raiders scoring any points?
Speaker 4: This feels like it could be like a twenty twenty
Speaker 4: to ten Chiefs type win where they just kind of
Speaker 4: go through the motions offensively after the big win against
Speaker 4: the Irons. But I mean, come on, Gardner, Minshew, did.
Speaker 1: Chris pull off just pull off the rarest of teasers?
Speaker 2: Side total teaser?
Speaker 1: Is that what just happened?
Speaker 3: He's under seven and a half. Is that what he said?
Speaker 3: His second leg was, I saw.
Speaker 4: I saw forty one and a half is the total? Probably?
Speaker 4: And then you guys see Kmodes getting two and a
Speaker 4: half against against the Bears. Comones looked, OK. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know they played nobody last week, but they still
Speaker 4: moved the ball with Marcus Mario ta let me say
Speaker 4: Joe Testyle correctly a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, go ahead, No, I.
Speaker 4: Was, I was just good. I was just repeating the
Speaker 4: Beck Comodes plus the eight and a half and then
Speaker 4: the under forty seven and a half in chiefs raiders.
Speaker 1: Jayde and Daniels as we do this Thursday morning, is
Speaker 1: still termed uncertain.
Speaker 2: Uncertain.
Speaker 1: They're guarding this, the details of this injury like it's
Speaker 1: the fucking you know, from.
Speaker 3: The line, he's not playing right, Gilly if if if.
Speaker 1: He was absolutely from the line, he's absolutely not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, that was so an indictment of the Panthers,
Speaker 1: the fact that Marris Marcus Mariot crushed you. I mean, god,
Speaker 1: are you bet they miss a beat without Daniels. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens here, Totty.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the I believe the LA Chargers
Speaker 3: minus one because the minus seven. I just don't see
Speaker 3: them losing at home to the Saints. You know, the
Speaker 3: Saints quarterback situation is not really anything to write home about.
Speaker 3: Rattler and Hainer is like really as bad as you
Speaker 3: can get. Uh So, you know, I don't know what's
Speaker 3: with the Saints. I just don't see them beating the
Speaker 3: Chargers on it at the Chargers, even though there won't
Speaker 3: be a really a home game there. But still, the
Speaker 3: Chargers are just a better team. Chargers minus one and
Speaker 3: I'm putting it with the Eagles plus eight and a half. Now,
Speaker 3: you made a really good point which made me pause
Speaker 3: for a second. Earlier, Gilly, you said something about I
Speaker 3: think that you said the Bengal are they really that bad?
Speaker 3: Because they have the three wins and could have had
Speaker 3: wins against those other really good teams too, so maybe
Speaker 3: they're not that bad. However, their defense still is not
Speaker 3: very good. How are you gonna win by eight and
Speaker 3: a half points against the decent Eagle team if you
Speaker 3: can't stop the other team. Even in those really good
Speaker 3: games they played against Chiefs, that was a close game.
Speaker 3: The Ravens game obviously went to overtime. What was the
Speaker 3: other game he said they lost that they could have won?
Speaker 3: Oh well the Redskins, right, the Redskins game. We didn't
Speaker 3: stop from punting, so it was thirty eight thirty three.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just don't see how they're gonna you know,
Speaker 3: they might win the game, but I just don't see
Speaker 3: how they're going to beat the Eagles by eight and
Speaker 3: a half. It sounds like too much with that defense.
Speaker 3: I mean, this team could barely beat the Giants by ten.
Speaker 3: When they got that late garbage touchdown, it was ten
Speaker 3: to seven, you know, and then it made seventeen to ten.
Speaker 1: Are you worried that Nick Sirianni is going to spend
Speaker 1: the whole time on the sidelines asking individual players if
Speaker 1: they wanted to break records.
Speaker 3: I mean, it just it just struck me as so oh, like, really,
Speaker 3: this is what you're gonna do for I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But anyways, Hey buddy, we'll go get ice cream if
Speaker 1: you know, if you want. But if you don't want,
Speaker 1: we don't have to.
Speaker 3: My favorite is my favorite is like, what are you
Speaker 3: in the mood for for dinner?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you don't want pizza? What about bake
Speaker 3: z d you want some bakes? What about chicken barbers on?
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 4: Do you want to go to Gym's or Dolls Sandro's
Speaker 4: for your cheesecake cheese steak?
Speaker 3: My parents, like, first of all, my mom didn't even
Speaker 3: make dinner practically, I'm sitting there at home eating bacos
Speaker 3: because that's the only thing that's left in the cabinet.
Speaker 3: But even at like people other people's house, there was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what we're having. There was no choices.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you grow grew up as an Orthodox
Speaker 1: Jew and you ate Bacosbacos are actually closer.
Speaker 3: They're fake. They're fake bacon, they're not. They're not they
Speaker 3: were they were kosher. But the but the point was,
Speaker 3: it was the joke. It was the joke that I
Speaker 3: would make with my mom, all of them, because my
Speaker 3: mom was not a very prompt person. And so you know,
Speaker 3: at six o'clock, you know, you're a hungry boy and
Speaker 3: want dinner, and there's no dinner, and my mom's out
Speaker 3: doing whatever the hell she was doing. I'm like scurring
Speaker 3: through the cupboards and I'm eating bacos because that's the
Speaker 3: only edible thing, And that pretty much will lead you
Speaker 3: to an eating disorder for many, many years.
Speaker 1: So it's a very happy story.
Speaker 3: It's a happy story.
Speaker 2: I know. I was like five four three two there
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sodium leve will come down seven thousand since then.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually it's funny because I never had a pro
Speaker 3: I eat a lot of salt, and that's that's my
Speaker 3: one health thing I don't have. It's so weird. It's
Speaker 3: Willy's Hillyer time WILLI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna use I'm gonna use the Chargers as
Speaker 2: we orfully segue here to uh Yeah. I just don't
Speaker 2: see the Chargers losing to uh. I think it's Spencer
Speaker 2: Rattler again this week. And I know you're not supposed
Speaker 2: to use a minus six if he's listening, gonna with
Speaker 2: all caps, just screaming at us because this money line
Speaker 2: is cheap. I get all that, but I'm gonna use
Speaker 2: the Steelers. I can't see them losing to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: Maybe you could say it's a flat spot. Thom is
Speaker 2: not good in these situations. His favorites. It's a Monday
Speaker 2: night game, Pittsburgh is gonna win this game. So Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and the chargers are my two. I am going chargers
Speaker 2: go wrong.
Speaker 1: We're all the chargers chargers, and I'm taking the rams
Speaker 1: as the second part of that.
Speaker 3: Thought about that too, rams rams to wait? What are
Speaker 3: we getting the rams up? Eating? Rams? Up to eight
Speaker 3: and a half or nine? I forgot what we said?
Speaker 1: Somebody nobody used you? You used it before you you
Speaker 1: played it?
Speaker 4: What do I use?
Speaker 3: I used the under.
Speaker 1: I see threes mostly.
Speaker 3: Okay, so plus nine for the rams?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, yes, sir?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, hey, before we do the uh, by
Speaker 1: the way, nobody here is still still involved involved in
Speaker 1: SERVI right, nobody.
Speaker 4: I haven't involved in my little like ghetto survivor that
Speaker 4: I've been in for a while. It's like one hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy people star and I am down with one
Speaker 4: other two people left me and someone else.
Speaker 1: Who are you playing?
Speaker 3: How have you? How did you survive?
Speaker 4: From my survivor path has been? Last week it was
Speaker 4: Bill's Falcons. I'm not I'm sorry, Bill's Eagles, Jags and Niners, Jets, Seahawks.
Speaker 4: So that that's where we're at.
Speaker 2: That's going backwards.
Speaker 4: Time, going backwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Don.
Speaker 4: And Bucks and Buck Campa Bay Week one.
Speaker 1: I wish you had done that in Circa.
Speaker 4: Huh, I know, I wish I wish I would have
Speaker 4: done that in circ instead of pushing all in with
Speaker 4: the freaking Bengals. We sucked. So who are you?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: Who are you playing?
Speaker 2: Where are you playing this week? Chris?
Speaker 4: I don't want to. I don't want to play Detroit
Speaker 4: only because in a couple of weeks you're gonna need
Speaker 4: them when they play Jacksonville. There really aren't a bunch
Speaker 4: of great options. So I thought about Denver. I have Denver,
Speaker 4: and I thought about the Chargers as well, but I
Speaker 4: just don't know ultimately what I'm gonna do Detroit. Detroit's
Speaker 4: not gonna and it's just a question do I think
Speaker 4: we're gonna get to three more games where I will
Speaker 4: ultimately need to use the Lions. So I think the
Speaker 4: other person left will use the Lions. They could, but
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and twenty one entries left in Circus Survivors
Speaker 1: Complete Carnage the first five weeks, and then only seven
Speaker 1: entries have left the last two weeks, starting with fourteen
Speaker 1: undred and sixty six of the two hundred two any
Speaker 1: one entries left. Remember at the end of last year,
Speaker 1: four different people chopped. Only one of those four is out.
Speaker 2: The three of three of the.
Speaker 1: Four people who chopped last year are still alive in
Speaker 1: varying forms of the remaining two twenty one. That's unbelievable,
Speaker 1: isn't it?
Speaker 4: What was it? What was the quote from round say?
Speaker 4: Is it a coincidence? At the same five six players
Speaker 4: make the final table at the World Series of Poker
Speaker 4: every year, right at the line that he muttered, well
Speaker 4: two of.
Speaker 1: Them, yeah, two of the three though, Mark Goldberg and
Speaker 1: Greg Jones, they'll correct me if I'm wrong. I believe
Speaker 1: after winning last year, took a very aggressive, you know,
Speaker 1: swap stance this year. So I believe that the entries
Speaker 1: that they're alive in they only have a percentage of
Speaker 1: because they just kept buying from each other kind of
Speaker 1: thing they could they could explain it in better detail.
Speaker 1: So theirs is I kind of almost by design. They
Speaker 1: ended up here. You know, they're they're comfortable because they
Speaker 1: got to the end last year doing it that way.
Speaker 3: There is a third.
Speaker 1: Guy, Kyle, who is still alive, and I ran into
Speaker 1: the other I'm like, this is amazing, it's amazing. It's
Speaker 1: just his you know him and his buddy, same entry
Speaker 1: going whatever. The only person out is Indiana Jet. Pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Last thing before we get to the final two questions.
Speaker 1: The election is twelve days away. Do any of you
Speaker 1: think you know who's winning?
Speaker 4: Hell?
Speaker 1: No, I don't even like if you ask me right now. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel it's like the biggest coin flip in the world,
Speaker 1: Will Todd No, no, no, no sense?
Speaker 2: Do I do I know for sure?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I think Trump is going to win.
Speaker 1: Though you think Trump is gonna win, Yeah, Doddy.
Speaker 3: I kind of think that if I had to bet,
Speaker 3: I'd probably bet Kamala, just because in the end, it's
Speaker 3: it's women versus men, and women will usually get the
Speaker 3: chores done more than men will get the chores done.
Speaker 3: So if you if you look at voting as like
Speaker 3: a chore you've got to take care of something, would
Speaker 3: you rather bet that the woman's going to do it
Speaker 3: or the man's going to do it? And she has
Speaker 3: a big advantage with females. He has a big advantage
Speaker 3: with males. So to me, it's like it's like taking
Speaker 3: out the garbage. Who's gonna how many people are going
Speaker 3: to fail to take out the garbage from that side,
Speaker 3: and to me, women slightly over men. But of course
Speaker 3: it's it's it's impossible to call. I'm just saying, if
Speaker 3: you bet that in Vegas?
Speaker 2: What what can you bet the election in Vegas?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, I thought, did I hear something that you could
Speaker 2: bet it in Vegas? Or that was they were legalizing
Speaker 2: or just trying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a whole there's a whole thing where
Speaker 1: they're trying to legalize, but it won't be It'll ultimately
Speaker 1: be a state by state thing, and it's not going
Speaker 1: to be this election.
Speaker 3: It's gonna In no way am I saying that I
Speaker 3: think Kemmel is really gonna win. I'm saying, if you
Speaker 3: actually put a gun to my head, that's what I
Speaker 3: would base it on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I genuinely don't know, man, I genuinely don't know.
Speaker 1: And if you believe, like there's a lot of misinformation
Speaker 1: with pulling because some of those some of those indexes
Speaker 1: are getting polluted, so like you.
Speaker 2: Know that that was my thing on the radio.
Speaker 1: I was basically saying, I have no idea who's gonna win,
Speaker 1: but don't bet the house on Trump because you believe
Speaker 1: the pools you see on Twitter, because those are all
Speaker 1: gamed in the same way that those you know, the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two red wave was supposed to happen and
Speaker 1: it didn't. Trump could still win, though, it's just not
Speaker 1: for the reasons that you're going to throw the house
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I think it was Wednesday. It might have been Wednesday.
Speaker 4: It could have been Tuesday. You had a listener of
Speaker 4: you wherever they're taking in your show with a really
Speaker 4: interesting tweet that that kind of it called me to
Speaker 4: take a little bit of a step. He cited the
Speaker 4: Mexican election, which yes, yes, follows is it and conservative
Speaker 4: and and a and a Jewish woman. I think it
Speaker 4: was wound up being elected president of Mexico in a Landslide's.
Speaker 2: Actually, what's that an?
Speaker 3: Isn't she that lady? A conservative?
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: But Chris's point is that you know this guy was
Speaker 1: I agree with you. That tweet was great. What he
Speaker 1: was he was sort of saying to buttress the point
Speaker 1: about how polls are misleading by the way it depends
Speaker 1: on what pool right, Because like the guy on is It,
Speaker 1: Harry Enton, he says, like, you know, the blue Wall
Speaker 1: three and North Carolina, those are separated by one percentage
Speaker 1: point between Tomalin and Trump. That's why I think it's
Speaker 1: a complete toss of. But the point that the tweeter
Speaker 1: was making was like, totally agree on most of the
Speaker 1: polls being misleading because in Mexico ninety percent of the
Speaker 1: population is Catholic, and all polls that it was going
Speaker 1: to be razor thin, and the Jewish woman got sixty
Speaker 1: three percent of the vote, like she destroyed them, and
Speaker 1: it was multi candidate, and so it's harder, it's harder
Speaker 1: to pull.
Speaker 3: As the years go by, it gets harder and harder
Speaker 3: to accurately pull because no one wants to pick up
Speaker 3: their phone and be in a poll. So right off
Speaker 3: the bat you have trouble with pulling, you know, right
Speaker 3: off the get go. So it's very very difficult. And then,
Speaker 3: like you said, with all the other you know, shanigans
Speaker 3: that we're seeing this year, it's obviously there's all kind
Speaker 3: of pollution in the polls and everything. Who knows, who
Speaker 3: knows what perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or people say something in the exit polls and
Speaker 1: then when they actually get in the booth they do
Speaker 1: something different right to actually make their vote right, So
Speaker 1: the polls could be just leading to be with Chris.
Speaker 1: You got to bounce right, we got to do these
Speaker 1: final two questions.
Speaker 4: I do. Yeah. I just got the notification that flight
Speaker 4: fifty six to seventy five from the Guardia to Columbia
Speaker 4: Columbus's boarding, so I got my please my game, yeah game.
Speaker 4: I want no part of Giants. Steelers. I guess could
Speaker 4: be a total facade, total fluke mirage what we saw
Speaker 4: from Russell Wilson on Sunday night. The Giants are terrible.
Speaker 4: I could maybe be interested in a Giants team total
Speaker 4: under how are they going to score without an offensive
Speaker 4: tackle against the DJ watt? But I want no part
Speaker 4: of this game because we saw the Steelers lost to
Speaker 4: last year to shitty teams New England in Denver. In
Speaker 4: certain spots it was Denver. I think it was right
Speaker 4: in certain spots. And then the big favorite that I
Speaker 4: think could lose is the Jets. I think people are
Speaker 4: going to see that first game, but remember that was
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett, eight quarterback for most of the games. The
Speaker 4: mental lands, the Jet defense was healthier than it is now.
Speaker 4: I think there's a chance Jets just might not be
Speaker 4: very good, and I certainly from my forty somewhat years
Speaker 4: of Jets fandom could absolutely see them going on the
Speaker 4: road to Foxborough, laying an egg and giving the Patriots
Speaker 4: and Drake May their second win of the year.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris, appreciate it. At your flight man.
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, I got a bolt early, but I don't
Speaker 4: get to Columbus. I'm gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2: I think Fox important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Chris, Chris.
Speaker 4: You can't wait to listen to the final product here
Speaker 4: and find out what I missed.
Speaker 1: See you, Bear, Chris Felick, everybody at Chris Filick on Twitter,
Speaker 1: Big Noon Saturdays on Fox and of course the bear
Speaker 1: Bets podcasts at bear Bets Pod on Twitter. Real quick,
Speaker 1: because my laptop is doing its thing as well. Will
Speaker 1: the Big Favorite that you want no part of again,
Speaker 1: the choices are choices, big I'm sorry, Big Favorite.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I losing I'm losing my mind. I've got
Speaker 1: other things on my mind. The big favorite that you
Speaker 1: think loses outright, Lions eleven and a half point favorites
Speaker 1: hosting the Titans, Ravens nine point favorites on the road
Speaker 1: against the Browns. Jets, as Chris mentioned is his choice.
Speaker 1: Seven point favorites on the road against the Patriots, Chargers,
Speaker 1: seven point favorites at home against the Saints, Chiefs, ten
Speaker 1: point favorites on the road against the Raiders and the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Moving as we speak, up to ten now, I think
Speaker 1: consensus hosting the Panther, which most likely to lose.
Speaker 2: Out right, I'll go Ravens just because I think having
Speaker 2: a living, breathe and human being playing quarterback for Cleveland
Speaker 2: could make that team look different.
Speaker 3: God, I'm gonna go with Willy on that. I think
Speaker 3: that at Brown's at home, it's a division game. You
Speaker 3: never know, maybe Jamis you know, Hits strikes fire and
Speaker 3: a bat or something, who knows.
Speaker 1: I believe it will be the It's either the Jets
Speaker 1: or the It's either it's either the ones that you've chosen.
Speaker 1: It's either the Jets or it's the Ravens. I will
Speaker 1: say it is the Jets because I just don't know. Man,
Speaker 1: he Chris is right. They could actually and then the
Speaker 1: game you want no part of. We live in a
Speaker 1: bizarre world again. You have to pick us every single
Speaker 1: game bet aside in every single game, you one free pass.
Speaker 3: Todd, what is your minus the Jaguars against the Packers.
Speaker 3: I can't get a Jaguars game right. A couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago, I picked the Jaguars, told everyone to go
Speaker 3: fade me, and of course the Bears did cover. I
Speaker 3: can't get the Jaguars right, whether I bet on them
Speaker 3: or against them, so I'm out.
Speaker 1: Well, no part of that one willly.
Speaker 2: Eagles Bengals. I don't have a great feel.
Speaker 1: For Eagles Bengals. Okay, I think mine is the Bears
Speaker 1: and the Commodore because I just don't know. Man, if
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota like that Panthers are so bad, the fact
Speaker 1: that he looked good, I'm not reading into that at all,
Speaker 1: Like he might not be very good at football, and
Speaker 1: then that makes Washington a little more one dimensional. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, Washington's defense is stepped up in a
Speaker 1: way that they did not show early in the season,
Speaker 1: and I think, I don't know, maybe they could give
Speaker 1: Caleb some trouble so that would be the game for.
Speaker 3: I didn't love how many Marriota looked actually, and I
Speaker 3: was on the over in that game and didn't get there.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were moving it on Carolina, but it
Speaker 3: was like it was felt like kind of pulling teeth.
Speaker 3: It was always like third and six and they were
Speaker 3: getting first down.
Speaker 1: But yeh, skins are good man, the good football team. Layoffs,
Speaker 1: layoffs maybe. Thanks for listening. For Chris Philika the Bear,
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