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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nineteen year old Marlin Ochoa

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Speaker 1: was nine months pregnant when she went missing. Hours later

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Speaker 1: that same day, a forty six year old woman came

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Speaker 1: to the home on seventy seventh Place to swap items

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Speaker 1: arranged through a Facebook group called Help a Sister Out.

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Speaker 1: The older woman claimed to have a stroller and other items.

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Speaker 1: She was giving clothes away, supposedly under the pretenses that

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Speaker 1: The people being questioned include the four six year old woman,

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Speaker 1: They were also surprised by an alleged birth, since no

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Speaker 1: one knew of a pregnancy. The Facebook group Marlin used

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Speaker 1: had talked with others about taking precautions when making exchanges.

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Speaker 1: Don't go on strangers houses. Always bring somebody with you. No.

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Speaker 1: I think it's making people more aware. We're hopeful. We

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Speaker 1: have faith been preparing for the worst. A pregnant mom

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Speaker 1: meets on Facebook. I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You were hearing our

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Speaker 1: friend at WGN nine, Nancy Lou reporting on the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of Marlin Ochoa. Take a listen to this. The Medical

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Speaker 1: Examiner's office tells me they are examining remains recovered from

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Speaker 1: is likely her. The family says Marlin was luwered here

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Speaker 1: who were taken into custody yesterday from the home on

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Speaker 1: you're hearing from wg in nine reporter Nancy lou This

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Speaker 1: gorgeous young mother strangled dead. We believe her baby cut

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Speaker 1: joining me an all Star panel, Troyce Layton were now

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Speaker 1: in California. Defense lawyer Stephen lamp A detective as Stephen

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Speaker 1: Lampley dot com, doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst from Hollywood at

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Allen Claurin Crime Online dot com,

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter and medical examiner, Doctor Chris Sperry. Doctor Sperry,

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Speaker 1: the woman, and may I just point out that she's

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Speaker 1: one of three women we're talking about. But this woman

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Speaker 1: you ever seen anything like it before? Doctor Sperry, us,

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Speaker 1: I have. I have seen several cases identical to this.

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Speaker 1: They're rare, but not vanishingly rare, and they're honors of

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Speaker 1: When I asked you, had you ever seen anything like

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Speaker 1: for just one moment. And although I can't get the

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Speaker 1: ka Lauren Crime online dot com investigative reporter where you

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Speaker 1: let's just start at the beginning. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. We need a shrink because I wanted

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Speaker 1: Even though there's so many story holes, and you've used

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Speaker 1: ellen Ka Laurin Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, what

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Speaker 1: disappearance of Kiera Coles, Well Rancy. Just like Marlin, Kira

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Speaker 1: can and hope that common denominator will lead you to

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Speaker 1: a suspect if you have information. Three one two seven,

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Speaker 1: four seven eight two seven four repeat three one two seven,

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Speaker 1: four seven eight two seven four Prime stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace relatively her newborn baby is in critical condition at

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Speaker 1: christ Hospital in Oaklawn. That detectives went to see the

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Speaker 1: baby get the DNA testing and confirmed that dead as

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00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: Marlin's baby, and late today tragic word. The medical examiner

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00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: confirming Ochoa's death through human remains discovered near this home

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00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: where yesterday four people were taken away for questioning. One

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00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: of them, according to neighbors, a woman in her forties

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00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: who won April twenty third, the day Ochoa disappeared, was

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Speaker 1: seen outside holding a baby wrapped in a towel. You're

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00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: hearing from our friend Eric Horne at ABC seven Eyewitness

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00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: News regarding the disappearance and ultimately the death of a

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Speaker 1: young mom. Marlyn Achoa set to give birth already nine

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00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: months writing, actually expecting to give birth in the next

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00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. But is her disappearance and death just

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00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. Multiple efforts to locate a

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00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: trio of missing women, two were pregnant when they vanished.

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00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: Dozens of friends and family continued their search for nineteen

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00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: year old Marling of Choya today. She was pregnant when

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Speaker 1: she was last seen leaving the Latino Youth Alternative High

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Speaker 1: School in Little Village on April twenty third. Her due

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00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: date is today. Meantime, in Chatham, dozens passed out flyers

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00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: hoping to get more information on twenty seven year old

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Speaker 1: Kiera Coles She was also pregnant when she disappeared in

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Speaker 1: early October. Her baby was due last month. Cole's sister

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00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: cry for help. There's no one month sitting on forever.

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00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: And the reason I hope that somebody out there or

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00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: somebody that do know what's going on can't help us

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00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: give her a safe return her and my niece or nephew.

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00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to find out what it

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00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: was going to be, but we hoped that when she

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00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: finally do return, that it is with her and her baby. Finally.

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Speaker 1: The community is standing by an eleven year old girl

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00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: still searching for her mother, Shanta Bryla. She vanished on

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Speaker 1: March eighteenth. Chicago police say if you know anything, you're

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Speaker 1: urged to call them. It's been seven months since Kiana

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Speaker 1: Coles has seen her older sister, Kiera. The twenty seven

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00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: year old pregnant postal worker, left her South Side apartment

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00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: on October second, near eighty first in Vernon, dressed in

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00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: her work uniform despite calling in sick that day, walked

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00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: past her car and out of frame in the security video.

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Speaker 1: A young women are going missing without a trace Since October,

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Speaker 1: community activist Andrew Holmes has tried to keep focus on

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Speaker 1: the case today announcing a large increase in reward money

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Speaker 1: now more than forty six thousand dollars total for information

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Speaker 1: on Cole's whereabouts. You don't want to be in the

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Speaker 1: shoes looking for your baby daughter and as a man,

478
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: your baby girl. It's too much pain. Today friends and

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00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: co workers passed out flyers near Cole's home. Family of

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00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: two other missing Southside women were there, asking the community

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Speaker 1: for help. Nineteen year old Marlin Ochoa Rio Stage, also pregnant,

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Speaker 1: was last seen Tuesday, April twenty third, leaving Latino Youth

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Speaker 1: High School in Pilson, and forty three year old Shanty

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Speaker 1: bry Love, who's been missing since March fifteenth, last seen

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: near her home at eighty fifth and Bennett. Her aunt

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00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: and eleven year old son, are desperate for answers. Well,

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00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: every day, you think about it every day and every night.

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00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: And since Jad is with me, now you know it's

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00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: yet tough. We're not gonna go quiet. We're not going

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00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: to let this rest. We're not going to allow us

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00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: to become a cold case. Kiera Cole's due date was

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Speaker 1: April twenty third. Each passing day so painful, not knowing

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Speaker 1: what's happened to her. We just hope that somebody good

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00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: rinklehome her and her baby. If anybody knows something, you

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00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: please let us know that heart. The Chicago company sir

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00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: Finance dot it donated an eighteen thousand dollars check today

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Speaker 1: for the Kiera Cole's Reward Fund. Anyone with any information

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00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: on these cases should contact Area South police and can

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: remain anonymous. You're hearing from our friends at WGNT. They

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: the family's now demanding answers, hoping that this does not

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Speaker 1: turn into a cold case. To Ellen klaurin Crime online

502
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, is there any way yet to

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00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: connect the cases? I think it's going to be tough

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00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: because while they're all going missing from the same general area,

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00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: without finding two of the missing women, you can't connect

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00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: them back to Marlin Achoa. That's right, Nancy. While there

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00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: are several coincidences, there is no known link at this

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00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: time between the three disappearances. But the other two women

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00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: who went missing, Kiera and Chaunty, both of those are

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00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: extremely suspicious at authorities said vic Here is likely a

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Speaker 1: victim of foul play. She's calling in sick to work,

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00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: but She's also seen wearing her uniform, her path lunch

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00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: for work is in her car. Was it really her

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00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: who called into work now, Shaunty she had. Her family

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00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: has said that she just received a tax refront check

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00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: and there was a man seeing on surveillance camera at

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Speaker 1: an HM location and now there's no money in her account.

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00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: So that is a very sustious too. Though no one

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00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: has yet been arrested in her king but Stephen Lampley

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00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: Detective you can find it at Stephen Lampley dot com.

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00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: As I always say, there is no coincidence in criminal law,

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00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: especially between two pregnant women in the same area that

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00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: look very similar physically that go missing, there are very

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Speaker 1: few coincidences. I'm not saying that that doesn't happen, but

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00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: when you have situations like this that are very similar,

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00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: they're almost always connected. It just takes a while to

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00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: make the connection. Guys, we are talking about missing women

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Speaker 1: in the Chicago area too. We know we're pregnant. To

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Speaker 1: doctor Chris Sperry, let's look forward. If bodies I don't

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Speaker 1: want them to be bodies, but if bodies of Kiera

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Speaker 1: Cold and Shanti Bryla are found, is there a way

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00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: from medical examiner to connect the three cases together. Well,

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00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: there certainly would be a way to connect the cases

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00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: if indeed the other missing women have similar injuries to

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Speaker 1: miss Ochoa. The words, if there's evidence that babies were

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Speaker 1: cut from their rooms, uh, you know, incisions, cuts on

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Speaker 1: the abdomen, and also if the women were strangled, because

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00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the motors Opalandai, it is possible

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00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: that these other women that were missing, Mirthan used as practice,

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00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: if you will, to try to perfect the the ability

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Speaker 1: to kill a woman and take the baby. So if

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00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: there is, if there are identical or similar injuries, that

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00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: is going to be incredibly suspicious. There are tying all

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Speaker 1: of these cases together. Guys, three women go missing in

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Speaker 1: the Chicago area to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us

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Speaker 1: out of LA You can find at doctor Bethany Marshall

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00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: dot com. Bethany they thinking behind the murderer or the

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00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: kidnap of a pregnant mom. It's just something I can't

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Speaker 1: really get my head around. What you have to keep

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00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: in mind is the word obsessional. I once treated a

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00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: woman with pseudocyesis meaning a fake pregnancy. Her belly was

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00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: actually getting bigger during the treatment. She was so obsessed

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00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: with the fact that she was going to have a

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00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: baby that that's all she could talk about. She talked

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00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: to her mom, her siblings, everybody in her life. So

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00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: unlike a bank robber who might plan to rob a

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00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: bank and never tell anybody, or a pedophile who might

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00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: hide it from his family or any other sort of crime,

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00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: the woman who's going to do commit a crime like

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00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: this is going to try to co opt everybody around them.

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00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: They're energetic, they're obsessed. They throw baby showers and say

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00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: they're going to have a baby even though there is

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00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: no baby on the way, even though they have no

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00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: boyfriend or husband. So if I were a detective on

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00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: this case, I would start to look at who in

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00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: the community has become preoccupied with baby stores, who's going

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00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: in and out of I don't know, toys or us,

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00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: who's online trying to share clothing back and forth with women,

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00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, just like pedophiles hang out into school, these

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00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: types of woman hang out on these Facebook groups trying

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Speaker 1: to trade clothing and strollers with other people. So I

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't think it's so difficult to find the perpetrator if

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Speaker 1: you keep inside you keep in your mind the word obsessed,

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00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: upset with motherhood, but it's obsessed in a very pathological way.

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Speaker 1: If you have any information on these three women, Marlin

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00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: A Choa, Kiara Coles or Shanty Brella, please call three

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Speaker 1: one two seven four seven eight two seven four. Listen

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00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: to Eric Horne at ABC seven Eyewitness News. We learned

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Speaker 1: today that Pregnantine had been to the home of the

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00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: suspects before and likely had no reason to suspect that

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00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: going there again for another meeting would have deadly consequences.

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Speaker 1: Words really cannot express how disgusting and thoroughly disturbing these

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00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 1: allegations are, and I'd like to offer my sincere condolescence

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00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: and prayers to Marlin's family. First degree murder charges had

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00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: been filed against Clarissa Figaroa and her daughter, Desiree Figaroa,

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00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: as well as Clarissa's boyfriend, Peter Boback, who's been charged

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00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: with concealment of a homicide. Police say mother and daughter

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00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: strangled Ochoa Lopez to death with a coaxial cable and

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00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: then removed her baby from her womb before concealing Ochoa

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Speaker 1: Lopez His body in a garbage container. Police say Figaro's

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Speaker 1: daughter confessed to the crime, and a search of the

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Speaker 1: home revealed evidence. They're shifting through everything in the house,

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00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: and they're finding remnants of burned clothes. They're finding some

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00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: blood indication on the living room carpet, some blood indication

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00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: on the hallway, some blood indication on the bathroom floor.

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Speaker 1: Police could not provide an exact motive, other than to

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00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: say it appeared that they had planned to raise the

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00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: infant as their own. They said Clarissa Figeroa, a couple

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00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: of years ago, had lost an adult son, and that

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Speaker 1: that death had significantly impacted her. Nancy Grace crime story

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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye Friend,