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Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Bechdel Cast. I'm your host, Caitlin Torante. Your other host,

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Speaker 1: Jamie Latus, and here we are. We are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about movies. That's what we do. That's what this

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Speaker 1: podcast is all about. Ye And why why must we

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Speaker 1: do this, Jamie? Impossible to say, Just kidding, We have

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Speaker 1: a great reason. It's because women are almost always underrepresented

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Speaker 1: or misrepresented in film. So that's why we started the podcast.

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Speaker 1: And we use the Bechdel Test as sort of a

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Speaker 1: guideline for how how some of our favorite movies are doing.

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Speaker 1: What is the Bechdel Well, we're doing really well, so

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Speaker 1: far smoother than ever. The Bechtel test is a test

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Speaker 1: where you apply it to a thing like a movie.

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Speaker 1: What what's a movie? Wait? A second movie passes the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test. If there are we've explained this, our listeners know. Basically,

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Speaker 1: two women speak to each other in the story about

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Speaker 1: something other than a man. Right, So that's what that is?

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Speaker 1: I saw? Oh no, do we do all the intra

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Speaker 1: stuff pretty much? We can. We can do our thing

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Speaker 1: where um, I don't like to bring this up, but

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Speaker 1: some people want to know that I do have a

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Speaker 1: master's degree in screenwriting. Sorry, because they like, what what is?

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Speaker 1: What are your credentials? Girls? What do you want you?

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Speaker 1: This part is really evolved where yeah, we between the

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Speaker 1: Masters The Master, which would be a really interesting episode

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Speaker 1: of this. Oh you mean to discuss the movie The Master.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did a I wrote something once for

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Speaker 1: watched The Master and The Master of Disguise and I

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Speaker 1: you conclude Master Disguise? Yeah, obviously of course I hated

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Speaker 1: The Master. Anyway, it was an hour too long. We

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Speaker 1: is our friend and a very funny comedian, Mike Kaplan. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. You're welcome, Yes, you are

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Speaker 1: allowed to speak. Now. I heard my name, so I

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Speaker 1: we didn't really, I didn't know for sure. I made

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Speaker 1: a choice. We have to make sure pectel cast passes

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Speaker 1: Can I ask? Can? I ask a quick question? Because

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Speaker 1: I've heard their versions, like alterations or variety of the

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Speaker 1: both have names. There is that caveat which I don't

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Speaker 1: really identify a man. Please, man's plains to us, Well,

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Speaker 1: Do have another question? Also? This one is going to

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Speaker 1: fascinating dude. He's like, yeah, I have a bunch of

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Speaker 1: that she just takes lying down and I was like,

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00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: that is a crotch kicking offense. Oh right, not at

423
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: the time. This is a long time ago. I mean

424
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: the players, but I feel like the men in the

425
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: movie are given like more contemporary I don't know, they

426
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: felt like they had like values of the eighties and

427
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: she was stuck into a very artick. Just to be clear,

428
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm joking on your side. I don't know's we're bad.

429
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: We don't know anything about comedy problem. Just kidding now

430
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: we're joking. Oh god, I gotten a spiral just doing

431
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: it for the listeners. I know you guys understand. I

432
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: assume your listeners don't know anything about comedy, as we're

433
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: in a feedback loop right now. God, it's like two

434
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: rors facing each other. Um. Anyway, at one point he

435
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: raises his arm to hit her. Do you remember this?

436
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: And then he says that was a warning, highness. The

437
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: next time, my hand flies on its own. For where

438
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: I come from, there are penalties when a woman lies, right, yeah,

439
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: I had that written down to It's just like I

440
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: think this is when he's still masked a K pretending

441
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: to be a dread private. Why does he do that

442
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: so long? Why does he like mask off? Hey, Buttercup,

443
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: it's me. Remember I'm going to be an asshole to you.

444
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: And then once we tumble down the hill with hilarious

445
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: a d r H, then this is like that is

446
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: how you would sound r um. It's audio recorded after

447
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: like they bring them in and they're just like, just

448
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: make a bunch of oofs and then he's like I

449
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: love you, and you're like when really all now? Um?

450
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't the explanation that they would give, or

451
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: that they did give for why he stayed mass so

452
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: long is that he was mad that she immediately married

453
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: another dude, Well, I mean, she is terrible. That doesn't

454
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: I would be upset too. But also he let her

455
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: believe he was dead for a long time, and I

456
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: don't understand exactly why that was. Right. Yeah, he's mad

457
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: because she's gone off and gotten engaged to someone else,

458
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: but he was also gone for five years' monogamy guys

459
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: themselves everything. Yeah, it would be very unreasonable of him

460
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: to be like, you think I'm dead, but stay single forever,

461
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: just right? And then those like those exchanges they have,

462
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: and I know that are supposed to beautiful, but I

463
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: was just like, man, like, death cannot stop true love.

464
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she's not allowed to move on

465
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: with her life. And then she says, I will never

466
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: doubt again, and I'm like, no, doubt do sometimes discussion

467
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: to the movie Doubt right now? Oh my god, that's

468
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies. Yeah, that's no one's favorite movie.

469
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: But my brother and I used to do this double feature.

470
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: We still do it. Sometimes we'll watch There Will Be

471
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: Blood and Doubt back to back. No reason is there

472
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: a movie called Fire, because then you could watch Doubt

473
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: and Fire and then missus doubt Fire. Didn't think there

474
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: you go that's a closer. All right, good night everyone

475
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: in doubt Glenn Close or Meryl Street, I always get

476
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: them confused Closes Wonder they're both great. Okay, So he

477
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: Weslie is a dick. He threatens to hit her, he

478
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: does all kinds of ship oh, and then in the swamp.

479
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: But afterward after he's like, it's me Wesley. They're in

480
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: the fire swamp and he's explaining to her how he

481
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: became the dread Pirate Roberts and he's like he's so patronizing.

482
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: He's like, with me, so far does this make sense

483
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: to you? And it's like it's not a hard story

484
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: to understand, right, It's just like, hey, dummy, you get

485
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: it stupid And I also don't like maybe I missed

486
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: something because it was the first time I saw it.

487
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: But like he becomes the dread Pirate Roberts and that

488
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: becomes more important to him than getting back to he's alive,

489
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: and like that's never from what I gets, all that's

490
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: never explained of like why couldn't he just under that

491
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: like persona she she was still there. Maybe it didn't

492
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: move locations until she was kidnapped, but maybe it had

493
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: just happened. Maybe I mean for a while, because he's like, oh,

494
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: I was training and doing all kinds of like fencing, right,

495
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: they didn't give an exact timeline. Well, it's convenient for this.

496
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: It's kind of a plot device because as soon as

497
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: she gets kidnapped, now she needs someone to rescue her.

498
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: So it's it just happens to be at that moment,

499
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: and he puts his plans on hold. He was like

500
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: whatever it was, He's like, well, now it's important because

501
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: she has been kidnapped. That maybe he was. Wesley's just

502
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: I guess he just he Oh, now I'm gonna I'm

503
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: gonna go back for her. Oh. Convenient that she's been captured,

504
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: because now this cool story can unfold, called the Princess Bride.

505
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Maybe he did find out that she was kidnapped. Maybe

506
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's pure speculation to the ground. And

507
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: here's just a you know, this is an unnecessary, dumb

508
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: defense of him being mean to her and treating her

509
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: like she's dumb. She is dumb. She is this particular

510
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: person that he's talking to has been dumb before. How

511
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: did he get this way? Though? I don't understand. It's

512
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: like in the first, you know, when they're falling in love.

513
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: At the beginning, they say maybe twenty words to each other,

514
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: it's as you wish, as you wish, I love you

515
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: and I'll never leave you goodbye. Just yeah, And I'm

516
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, these are very horny, blond adults, and

517
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm not okay with any of that. I'll also add,

518
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: I do think that it's not nice to be it's

519
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: not good to be mean to dumb people, even if

520
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: they are dumb. I don't know about that. That's what

521
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's my position is, Mike takes one position

522
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: still to dumb people. I say, for sure, cyber bully

523
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: dumb people. Maybe not to their face, because dumb people

524
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: could be very strong, m M I understand what they

525
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: might be. Andrea the giant, and they might just Andrea

526
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: crushes it and he's a good he's a poet's great anyway,

527
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: She's maybe not dumb, but extremely naive, Yeah, which I

528
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: could understand if she had like grown up a royal

529
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: and like wasn't exposed to the world and like was

530
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: just oh, I'm a princess. I'm like, I don't haven't

531
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: have a new life experiences, but she's a commoner. I

532
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: feel like she should know her have some street smarts. Yeah,

533
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: there's no streets. That's old dirt path smarts. Actually because

534
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: she she goes on her daily ride. She rides all over.

535
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: But she should know stuff I don't know. But she

536
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: and I don't want to sound victim. Blame me because

537
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: she's captured against her will and she's a victim, and

538
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: but she is. She was wearing her capture me boots.

539
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: She also threatens to kill herself this movie, like the

540
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: towards the end with humber Dick. She you know, she

541
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: goes and she was like, well, if you do, you know,

542
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to marry you. I'll just kill myself.

543
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: And I was just like, you could try to escape.

544
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: There's so many, Yeah, alternate paths other than like killing

545
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: yourself because you can't be with this asshole. I don't

546
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: know totally. Um she does, like it said, she makes

547
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: that one escape attempt when she jumps into the el

548
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: infested waters. Why not try that again? There are like

549
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: no one's really holding her captive, Like what's it? Humberdink

550
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: is like off planning her murder. She doesn't like she

551
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: can just go like Lee like get on a horse

552
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: and ride out of town. Yeah. I don't understand her

553
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 1: at all. She seems like maybe she's just depressed and

554
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: she just doesn't know it, because she from the beginning

555
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: of the movie is like, maybe I'll just kill myself

556
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: if I can't be with Wesley. Maybe she has mental

557
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: health issues, and that's why she's falling back on this

558
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: suicidality because it's not just codependent on which brings me

559
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: to the point that of the pretty few lines of

560
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: dialogue that she does have at the course of the movie,

561
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: they are almost all about either Wesley or love or

562
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: being in love with Wesley. She doesn't talk about anything else.

563
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: We don't know anything else about her. Yeah, exactly, isn't

564
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: there the scene where the old lady says that she's

565
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: just garbage, and so that's like two ladies talking and

566
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: it's just but both of them. But so it does.

567
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: I've concluded that it does not pass the Bechtel test

568
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: because even though those two women speak well, the old

569
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: lady speaks at her, Buttercup doesn't really ever respond. But

570
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: we're going with the name thing too. She doesn't have

571
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: any she doesn't have a name, and they're talking about

572
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: the context of their conversation is Buttercup's portrayal to Wesley,

573
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: So it's about a man, and therefore, do not think

574
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: it passes the Betel test. But don't feel bad, Princess Brian.

575
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: A lot of movies don't. Also, don't feel bad because

576
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: you're a movie. Can I tell you a funny story

577
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: about the movie? I was. It's actually kind of a

578
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: touching story as well. Maybe only that who can say.

579
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tip it any further, but about

580
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: two years ago, a friend of mine got married and

581
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: I was at the wedding. The person who was getting

582
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: married my friend. Her friend was officiating, and so the

583
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the wedding, this prest was like,

584
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: I've never married anybody before. I just got the credentials

585
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: so that I could marry my friends. So it's really

586
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: a beautiful experience for me to get to do this.

587
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: And since I've never done this before, I may never

588
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: get it again. I was wondering if you guys would

589
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: indulge me for a moment while I just quote one

590
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: of my favorite lines from The Princess Bride, and it

591
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: was like, okay, great, sure, And then she says and

592
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: all right, everybody the shrieking eels okay, anyway, so now

593
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: we've it was super fun. Also, I don't know if

594
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: you guys know this, but getting a master's degree in

595
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: scriting screenwriting does automatically like ordained you to officiate weddings.

596
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: I also like that you called it scriting. I don't

597
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: know how to talk masters thing. Yep, it was a

598
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: joke that wasn't good to begin with, and I ruined

599
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: it because I don't know how to talk scriting. Can

600
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: we talk about the line that almost closes the movie

601
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: there's a shortage of perfect breast since the world, first

602
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: of all, and I come at this as someone in

603
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: a similar predicament of having perfect breasts. Uh no, she

604
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: she she is pretty flat chested. And not to shame her,

605
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: because I'm right there with her. But if someone said

606
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: I had perfect breast, I would be like, where you know? Uh?

607
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: And second of all, what an obnoxious thing to say.

608
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: And I hate that he said that. Yeah, I would.

609
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: It's like the people who are like fighting breast cancer

610
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: by being like, we've got to save the breasts, right right.

611
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know. I wanted to harpoon him

612
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: more than ever at that moment, I need to harpoon

613
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: him the whole movie. I will say that, you know,

614
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: beauty is subjective, So if somebody ever tells you that

615
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: you have perfect breasts, I would say thank you. I

616
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: would rather harpoon someone than say thank you. Yeah, no

617
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: compliments please her. Yeah, it is. It's a silly moment. Also,

618
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: I just mean if it's like somebody that you care

619
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: about and like you're in a relationship, not just like

620
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: somebody on the street, sir. But I also think that

621
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: they just have a toxic, terrible relationship and you shouldn't

622
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: talk to her at all. Yeah, their relationship is very

623
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: This is one of those things where they fall in

624
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: love because one of them is a man and one

625
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: of them is a woman, and which is how it

626
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: worked for centuries. Work with my parents. Do you know,

627
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: do you read as on Sorry's Modern Romance book. Yes,

628
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: there's like in the first chapter there's like a thing

629
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: of where he interviewed people who are like the oldest

630
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: you know people today about their dating experiences. And there

631
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: were some numbers about like one in six people over

632
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: half without within a mile of them, and one in

633
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: six grew up in the same building. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, sure,

634
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: this was before the time, hundreds of years earlier, and no,

635
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: but people fell in love because even if they yeah,

636
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: they were near each other, but then they were, they

637
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: also had to be compatible. But there's like, no, there's

638
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: like they're like, oh, you have blond hair, I have

639
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: blond hair. We look like siblings, but we're not siblings, right,

640
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: So that's what's sexy about it. I'm really attracted to

641
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: the fact that you're in not my siblings. I guess. Yeah,

642
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: standards were not very high back then. Well, I mean,

643
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: I do think that there is something to you know,

644
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: like tribal sort of connections. You know, like sometimes like

645
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: Jews are attracted to other Jews, and you know, like

646
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: tall people are attracted to potentially, I mean, it's not

647
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee, but you definitely can see couples

648
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: that look alike as long as they know they're not

649
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: from the same actual family. Sure, you mean formally. I

650
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I never heard of this think. Yeah, I

651
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: mean I do agree with that. I just think that

652
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: they're both insufferable in different ways. Well that's the thing too,

653
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: it's together. The thing about stories is that you can

654
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: build the world old and developed the characters and explain

655
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: why they're good for each other. Not not do that.

656
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: That's some scrider talk, gold Man. Come on, The book

657
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: actually goes way more in depth than a lot. I've

658
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: not read the book. I'm sure it also has some

659
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: of the same problems. But I did really I did

660
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: really like the book as well. I thought it was

661
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: very funny. I don't read books of a master's degree,

662
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: so I don't I actually don't know how to read,

663
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: so oh I wanted. We already touched on this a

664
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: little bit. But there is a chunk of time between

665
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: around minute thirteen whenever they reached the cliffs of Insanity,

666
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: to somewhere around minute thirty four, so almost twenty minutes,

667
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: which is right when Leslie beats the little of the

668
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: Baby Genius in the Battle of Wits, where she does

669
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: not say a single thing, but she is in the

670
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: in the scenes the whole time. She well, she only

671
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: has a few like sliver of screen time. Even during that,

672
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: I kept forgetting she was in that scene with the

673
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: Baby Genius and Wesley. I kept forget, and then she

674
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: would be sitting next to the baby Genius, and I'd

675
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, I guess she is just sitting

676
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: there like that was so that was like the most

677
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: frustrating part for me was watching that scene. My favorite

678
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: part of that scene is that the scene he had

679
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: just set up a little picnic for the There was

680
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: like graps and cheese and apples and like goblets and wine,

681
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, what were you going to do? Like

682
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: you didn't decide to have the battle of wits until

683
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Wesley showed up and suggested it. Like it wasn't get

684
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: a table I didn't even think of that. I think

685
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: there was a stone, okay, but he had like a

686
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: table cloth and stuff. He just like comes ready for

687
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: other people. He was like, oh man, I hope he

688
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: suggests that we have a battle of wits because I've

689
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: got at all laid out ready to go. He made

690
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: it happen. I did appreciate that he died, yeah, because

691
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, he's not gonna be there

692
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: to say that one word anymore inconceivable. I did not

693
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: find that charming. I don't think that he was meant

694
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: to be charming. I know, but I know that you're

695
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: supposed to like you like that's the fun thing. What

696
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: a bit of comic relief, and it's not. The Little

697
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: Guys did a funny thing. And I remember when I

698
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: first watched that movie the fact that he always like, oh,

699
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: I put poison both cups like I spent the past

700
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: few years growing up in immunity, I have caine powder.

701
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, brilliant self really enjoyed them. It

702
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: was it was good, it was a clever thing to do.

703
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I had one note, because Baby Genius and and Andre

704
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: the Giant are paired up to be like this, like

705
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: little guy big guy team. It's very fun. It is fun.

706
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: But I would argue that the best little guy big

707
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: guy team that I know of is in Jesus Christ

708
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Superstar with Honest and Caiaphas. Oh I a little guy

709
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: big guy team to remember Jesus Christ Superstar would be

710
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: a very hard podcast. I have never seen it. I

711
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: thought you were going to say, what is it Junior

712
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: with Arnold Schwarzenegger, and oh, twins is what I mean? Yeah,

713
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 1: not Junior Junior. What's Oh that's one where he gets pregnant.

714
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: What I want a career? He said, yeah, baby in

715
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: him and they're like, let's see if a man can

716
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: carry a baby. I want to see that movie. I

717
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: just say, it's like a little noise, I got so excited.

718
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't remember it super well. It's been probably two

719
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: decades since I've seen it. Okay, I didn't see it,

720
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: and I bet we wouldn't love it. Uh yeah, I

721
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: don't remember it being very good. The poster is terrifying. Wow, yeah,

722
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: it was inconceivable. Is that the tagline? Oh my god,

723
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: that is crazy that that happened, because that's the word

724
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: we were just talking about that. That is a good slogan.

725
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: That's a good slogan for that for that movie. Yes,

726
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: good catchphrase. It's like, you know the one for Doctor

727
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: Strange that I like that I've seen on posters. It's

728
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: the impossibilities or endless like that. Yeah, sometimes they're very bad,

729
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: like almost always. I'm like, I look at these posters

730
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: for movies and I'm like, if I'm gonna either see

731
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: the movie, I'm not going to see a movie. Like

732
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the person that the tagline, you know,

733
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: pushes it over either to yes or no, like you know,

734
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: the gang's all here. What don't even just save some letters?

735
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: Show us the pictures of the people giving people what

736
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: they want. When I was in college, I made a

737
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: student film called Baxter the Clown, and it was about

738
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: a clown who was to George Knows, I don't know

739
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: what twist with bas Okay and he decides to run

740
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: away from the circus. That's fun twist. And he switched

741
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: his places with his brother. She was like a businessman.

742
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: His brother's name was Oliver, I think, and they switched places,

743
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: so Oliver's like, I'm going to run away enjoin the

744
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: circus and perfect brothers place. And Baxter was like the

745
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: twin in office. They weren't, so it doesn't make a whole.

746
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: But I didn't have access to all the idea of

747
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: twins right anyway, so you couldn't have two people. That's

748
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: exactly like I didn't have high tech c g I.

749
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: And then the Baxter has to decide whether or not

750
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: he wants to pursue this life as a businessman or

751
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: to return to the circus. But the tagline that I

752
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: wrote for this movie is he's climbing the corporate ladder

753
00:43:52,800 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: to the big top. Guys, I'm so clever. We've been

754
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: shooting on this movie, specifically, better cut the character for

755
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: a while on that every what characters do you like.

756
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: I do like an ego and yeah, so yeah that's

757
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: the Chandler and Joey of and Miracle Max. That's a

758
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: fun little cameo. But as well, yeah, sure, we do

759
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: have to take into account the genre, which is why

760
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: I wrote this. I chose this movie to write this

761
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: paper on because sure, like things are going to be exaggerated.

762
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: It's for kids, it's for the fun for the whole family.

763
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: So like, characters are going to be pretty like archetypal,

764
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: they're not going to be super nuanced, right, sure, hang on,

765
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: let me find that really cool paragraph. Oh yeah, cool paragraph,

766
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: come in right up. She doesn't read, but she does write.

767
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: I don't know how it works once the words are down.

768
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: She well, my thesis statement for this because I say, oh,

769
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: I am dB lists all these different Oh yeah, let

770
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: me see if I got it right. Uh, family, adventure, comedy, romance,

771
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: and fantasy. That's the one I left. And I said

772
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: that fantasy is the most prominent genre of these in

773
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: The Princess Bride because the story within a story highlights

774
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: the fantastical setting, characters, and narrative by juxtaposing them against

775
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: the ordinary, realistic world of the grandfather relaying this story

776
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: to his grandson, which we haven't really talked about yet,

777
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: And I say, but it is not just anywhere in

778
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: the middle fantasy. The Princess Bride is self aware to

779
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: the extent that it playfully satirizes its own genre. So

780
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: you guys, it's very academic plus today. And then I

781
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: go on to talk about how the love story portrayed

782
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: in this film is kind of the most fantastical and

783
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: unrealistic element of the movie. That's fine, that's good think

784
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: because like The Matrix, right, Hey, we already talked about

785
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: that movie. Did you know that, that's what we did

786
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: last week? I didn't know. Oh my gosh, I mean

787
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: you're in the Matrix? Uh Matrix, I am the one, actually,

788
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: I uh. We talked about it with Matt donnaher And

789
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: when I got home I was so mad at myself

790
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: because we had been talking about, like, oh, why isn't like,

791
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: why couldn't Morpheus have been a woman? Why couldn't one

792
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: of the agents have been a woman? Why? Like, why

793
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: couldn't one of the two brothers been a sister? And

794
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: then I was like, fuck, why couldn't they have been neo?

795
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: Like why couldn't a woman be the savior has to

796
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: be a man, But why couldn't everybody else? I was

797
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: just like, the patriarchy is just I've been so socialized

798
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: to think that the hero of a movie has to

799
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: be a man that I didn't even suggest that. I

800
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: was mad at myself for not suggesting it. But you're forgiving.

801
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: We're doing it now, Thank you, thank you. I pilled

802
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: up a paper I wrote in college, but it has

803
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: nothing to do you can. What's it about Andy Warhol

804
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: and the allure of photography? Don't worry? This is the

805
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: solid be Mechanical reproduction is the phrase that sticks out

806
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: when summarizing Andy warhol staggering volumes of artwork in the

807
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: four decades he was a working artist. That sounds right. However,

808
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: he uses this concept within so many different mediums in

809
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: different phases of his career that a primary process becomes

810
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: impossible to nail down. Wow, amazing that I have. I

811
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: don't even know what this class was. This guy is

812
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: hard to nail down. This guy, Yeah, you can't nail

813
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: him down. I'm pretty sure that's what I just repeat

814
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: for the rest of the Remember that was the class

815
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: that I passed out in once you do that. I didn't.

816
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: It wasn't on purpose. But what you did? What you do?

817
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: You like faint or did you? Yeah, I'm a I'm

818
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: a delicate flower and sometimes I I faint every couple

819
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: of years getting there are men around to save. To

820
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: my Andy Warhol professor, presumably, basically, I would have liked

821
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: to have seen just a more active female character. I

822
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: could have had more agency. Yeah, she could have had

823
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: a more fleshed out personality. She could have done she was.

824
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: She was put in several situations where she could have

825
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: made a decision to be like, oh, I should do this,

826
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: or I should try to help this person, or I

827
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: can save myself because I hear the popping sounds that

828
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: precede every little fire burst, like why don't I jump

829
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: out of the way instead of having the guy fling

830
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: me out of the way. And yeah, sure, it's a

831
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: fairy tale. She's a princess, she's a damsel in the

832
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: stress she had. He's gonna be saved. She's a delicate

833
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: little flower. Um, but if they're gonna The thing about

834
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: this movie is that it's look at this fantasy, but

835
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: it's like it's not. I don't know I feel like

836
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: every scene Buttercup appears in is a missed opportunity in

837
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: one way or another. Like there's either an opportunity for

838
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: her to do something that she doesn't, or there's an

839
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: opportunity in a scene, you know. And and I'm sorry

840
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: to bring up the baby Genius Wesley scene again, but

841
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: like there could have even been a witty interjection from her.

842
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: There could have been something at any time. And there's

843
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: all this time that we could hear. What has she

844
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: been doing for five years besides being sad and contemplating suicide? Right,

845
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: and all we know is that she likes to ride

846
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: a horse. And at the end, that's still all we know.

847
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: She likes to ride a horse, and she loves Wesley,

848
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: and it's just I don't know, she's pretty flat. Yeah,

849
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: she is a very one dimensional. There's no shortage of

850
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: flat chested. I'm just echoing what Jamie said. I'm not

851
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: adding my own. I stand by the comment. Yeah, it is.

852
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: It's movie full of missed opportunities. Or she could have

853
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: contributed so much more to the to the story and

854
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: to the dialogue. And maybe she'll do it all in

855
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: the Prince Groom. Love it, Love It love it. I

856
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we can play a fun game and

857
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: we'll call it the Battle of the Tits or the

858
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: Battle of Clits. And then I forgot to act I

859
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: named the game, and then that's except for the Labyrinth episode.

860
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: We will have something for the Labyrinth. We're going to

861
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: talk about the Labyrinth soon with our friend Jenny, and

862
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: we have a game all planned out. I would know

863
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: we have the name of the game, and then nothing yet,

864
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: But there's time. There's time yet time. Let me ask you, guys,

865
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: here's a game on account of three. I'll ask the

866
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: say say question, and then I'll say three to one,

867
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: and then you guys, give an answer to this question.

868
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: Would you rather be if you could only be one?

869
00:50:52,680 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: A princess or a bride? Three to one neither princess

870
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: bred fun right, we'll see. If I was a princess,

871
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: I'd use that platform of like fame and influence and

872
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: power to change the world and make it a better place.

873
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: If I was a bride, I'd just be like, oh god,

874
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm just married now. If I was a brad, I

875
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: would do anything I want because you could be married

876
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: to do anything you want. I mean, you can do

877
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: being married doesn't give you like superpowers. I would fly

878
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: whether or not you were married. It wouldn't change right now,

879
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: I'd do the same ship that I'm doing now, except

880
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: for like being on Tinder. That would be probably the

881
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: one thing I would stop. I see, Yeah, you can

882
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: still do that too. Hey, why you wanted married? True,

883
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true if I was a princess. I don't.

884
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wouldn't want that. I feel

885
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: like it's kind of limiting it. Sure, I mean that's

886
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: what Aladdin is all about. Let's talk about that. I

887
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: should spend more time thinking about why I don't one

888
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: of you. So, I think we've come to a moment

889
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: where we can we can rate the is there anything

890
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: we want to any other topics we want to we

891
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: don't really discuss, like humber Dink or the story within

892
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: a story. Yeah, so, like what does make sense about

893
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: him is that he hires those three dudes to capture

894
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: her and start a war because he wants to start

895
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: a war with Guilder. For most of that just didn't

896
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: matter to me, Yeah, because it was like, whenever you're

897
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: saying that, I like, whatever he's trying to do will

898
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: not work. Out. He's a he's a sociopath and he

899
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: just likes to be you know, he likes power. He

900
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: likes to be. He doesn't care about love. He just

901
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: wants to be in power, and he wants to have

902
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: a reason to go to war with this neighboring land

903
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: that they have some treaty with. So if he could

904
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: frame them for you know, kidnapping her, then he could

905
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: be like, now a reason he just likes. He likes

906
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: far Wad. Yeah, we should. We should do shkar f

907
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: a r C. It's family adventure, romance and comedy by Caplet.

908
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: Everybody plus Fantasy is another farcus spelled with two f's

909
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: far Quad. Oh gosh, I liked the story within a story.

910
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: I thought that that was fun. I wasn't like friend savage, Yeah,

911
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how could you not. Yeah, that's that's what

912
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: my whole That was what my paper was about. How

913
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: like to frame it in this like the Princess Bride

914
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: inside of another story was like it was allowed it

915
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: to like poke fun at its own genre. The book

916
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: is like that too. Yeah, There's there's like a chapter

917
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: in the book where it's like and this chapter is like,

918
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, we've it's like they're they've discovered this old

919
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, like they're like, I'm gonna do a modern

920
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: revamp of this old story from this you know, fake place,

921
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: but they're presenting it as real. And they're like, in

922
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: this chapter in the original it was about seventy three

923
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: pages of just the describing the princesses dresses. So you

924
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: don't need to hear that, so we'll just skip ahead.

925
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's fun. I like that. Yeah, it is fun. Well,

926
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, does a fun thing like that? Have you? Guys?

927
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: Head the book A couple Hood by Paul Riser. He's

928
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: one of the first comedians that I ever saw like

929
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: on TV and I loved it, and so I got

930
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: his book couple Hood, and I got it on tape

931
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: and him reading drive around listening to it, and I

932
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: believe the book, the physical copy of it starts on

933
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: page like a hundred and forty three. That's the first

934
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: page listed, and he's like, we're starting on page three

935
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: because it's so hard to get into a book. And

936
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes if if somebody like looks over

937
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: your shoulder and they see your on page like two,

938
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: then they judge you. So it's like this way like

939
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: if somebody on the train they're like, wow, D forty four,

940
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: that's pretty great, right, so nicely you feel like you're

941
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: already in the middle of a a hundred three. That's where

942
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: you start. Great guy, Paul Riser, was that like a

943
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: novel hero? Oh? It was. It was like a sort

944
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: of a memoir, but mostly about like his you know,

945
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: his relationship and relationships in general, his wife, like being

946
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: in a couple, the hood of a couple of nous,

947
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: a couple of I'll read it one day. I like

948
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: Craig Ferguson wrote a great novel that I would used

949
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: to be I used to vouch for maybe a little

950
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: bit too much in high school. Between the bridge and

951
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: the river and it's there. I just remember there's a

952
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: prominent character who's a televangelist and that he wore an

953
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: orange robe, and at sixteen, I thought that was very fun.

954
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: Orange robe like a prisoner. I thought of him a

955
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: prisoner of his own belief. That was so when we

956
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: rate the movie, what is the scale that we use

957
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: nipples from one to five nipples and more nipples is good?

958
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Always more, always more? Five is the highest five nipples

959
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: of the high pers rating. You could give a movie

960
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: just to be I mean, we're reading it in the

961
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: context of its representation of female characters, and you have

962
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: to describe the nipples also really yeah, Like last week

963
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: we had like chrome nipples because we're talking about the Matrix. Oh,

964
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: I understand, yeah, but perfect breasted nipples I think. I

965
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: also just don't like the phrase perfect breasts. I feel

966
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: like that's something I would be comfortable hearing at KFC.

967
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: But I'm not directed at me. But that's a lot

968
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: of things too. Well. We've all got our own baggage.

969
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: I'll take please, all right, I would not be okay

970
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: someone saying that about my body. Bucket to Jamie, what

971
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: order do we go? I'll go first. So I grew

972
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: up liking the movie, and then the more I watch it,

973
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: the more I'm like, oh, this isn't as good of

974
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: a movie as I once thought it was, especially considering

975
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: it's portrayal of women as being stupid idiots who can't

976
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: do anything. For this podcast, I would give it like

977
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: two nipples. One from Physic the Giant, which is going

978
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: to be huge and Harry that's a lot of nipples,

979
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: and one from Baby Genius Fazzini, which is going to

980
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: be small and Harry. I'll give it one nipple, which

981
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: sounds harsh because it maybe is a little bit, but

982
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: it's buttercups nipple and it's really soft and afraid and inverted. Wow.

983
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: I like this might sound harsh because it is the

984
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: worst rating I can give it, but hear me out.

985
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: I would never say no nips. O there zero. You

986
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: can give no nips nips not me. I want at

987
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: least one, but also I'm fine with none. They're not

988
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: deal breakers to me. Any number of nips. It's fine

989
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: by me. I'll give it one point five. I give

990
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: it the highest rating, and I give it one point

991
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: five nipples because I have done an average of the

992
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: two ratings that you guys gave it. Because I'm bowing

993
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: to your experience in the issues of this female related matter.

994
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: What do I know? Very no, all of you what

995
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: a noble cause. We respect your decision and thank you

996
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: for recognizing that we are correct the true masters. Yes, great, well,

997
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on, Thank you for

998
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: having me. Yes, sorry for a ship to go to

999
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: a movie you liked for an hour. I am literally

1000
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: don't care. It's not it's not part of who I am.

1001
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: You also could have shut on me for an hour

1002
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: and we didn't. We did not, thank you. I think

1003
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: anytime we have a guest who's a man or who

1004
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: presents as a man, because you say that um open

1005
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: with a quick road genderless, I would say we just

1006
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: should on them the entire time. Give them a taste

1007
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: of how the patriarchy has treated up. Give me a

1008
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: bucket of that. Contact. Oh, I'm on your bucket list.

1009
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: Thank you. Is there anything you'd like to plug? Where

1010
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: can people find you online? Which about your stuff? If

1011
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: you put my name into online anywhere Mike Kaplan where

1012
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: Mike is spelled weird sorry m y q Kaplan spelled

1013
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: the quote unquote normal way. My caplan dot com is

1014
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: my website. You'll find you can find my Netflix special

1015
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: you can find my albums. I have a podcast called

1016
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: hang Out with Me. Everything should be available through my website.

1017
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: But if you also go to you know, any of

1018
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: the places Twitter and Instagram and not buying anymore Facebook,

1019
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: the things whatever, whatever things are, Yeah are good these days.

1020
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: I maybe have it. Oh, I'm there, thank you. Yeah.

1021
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: Check out Mike Caplan on the internet and in real

1022
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: life I performed places. There's there's two dates on there, Jamie,

1023
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: anything you wanna, I thought of something that's okay. Uh.

1024
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Hamburger Phone. You

1025
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: can find me on website at Jamie loftus is innocent

1026
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: dot com. I'm also do it, uh plug in any crime.

1027
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: I did not do it except I drive with a

1028
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: little license. But that because let's it gives me anxiety

1029
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: to say it all loud, but for good reason, I

1030
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: should be afraid. But I also I just haven't gotten

1031
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: there I'm doing. I'm doing a long show in Boston

1032
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: on doing an hour in Boston on December six. If

1033
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: you happen hopefully in this podcast or this episode comes

1034
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: out by then, I was being optimistic, I'll be. I'll

1035
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: be in Boston on January twelve to fourteen at Laugh Boston.

1036
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: I love that place. Free diet cokes backstage. I remember

1037
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: we're free diet cokes. Are sure. It'll be my first

1038
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: time there. I didn't even know forward to it. Maybe Hey,

1039
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Speaker 1: it's me Caitlin you I'm me on Twitter at Caitlin

1040
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Speaker 1: Durante and some other places. I have a website Helan

1041
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Speaker 1: Dante dot com. Also, if you live in l A,

1042
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Speaker 1: which why would you live anywhere else? Our friend Mikey

1043
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: years in a different place, and so do probably the

1044
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: majority of the country. Definitely, most people don't live in

1045
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. But if you do live in Los Angeles

1046
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: and you want to check out a new weekly comedy

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Speaker 1: show at Nerd Mount which is the place world. It's

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Speaker 1: called rabbit Hole with Jay and Rory, hosted by Jay

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Speaker 1: Larson and Rory School and I helped do things with it.

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Speaker 1: So when does it happen? The first one is November

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Speaker 1: and then it's every Wednesday. That'll be fun. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's it. We've had a great time, guys. We

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Speaker 1: have farewell, we have thank you. Wait what does he

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Speaker 1: say as you wish? Okay, bye bye bye bye. We

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Speaker 1: did it. We