WEBVTT - Ep 33: Nadine Shah 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.520 Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.840 This episode of Midnight Chats is a bit out of 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.720 the ordinary for us. Normally we record these conversations in 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.520 our office in East London. Sometimes Stuart or I Greg 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.720 get out in the fresh air and take them somewhere else. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.519 But only once before this time last year with Anna Meredith. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.400 Actually have we recorded an episode in front of an 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.360 audience of other real life people. And what you're about 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.080 to hear took place at this year's End of the 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.559 Road Festival in Dorset at the start of September. Recorded 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.480 at the more sociable time of midday on the Saturday 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.160 on the Piano Stage, which is a stage in the 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.960 woods at the festival, decorated like an old person's living room. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.280 It's actually very nice and you can hear throughout the 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.400 podcast the birds tweeting in the background, so all very idyllic. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.760 And thanks to all those people who came to watch, 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.280 listen and take part at the time on the day 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.880 with your hangovers. Like I say, it was something different 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.320 for us. I couldn't have asked for a more charismatic, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.440 interesting and inspiring guest for the occasion. Nadan Shah, who 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.440 was playing the festival joined me to talk about a 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.040 whole range of things, from watching Lucinda Williams perform the 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.640 night before to her recently released third album, Holiday Destination, 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.440 And to be honest, it's rare for an episode to 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.840 be both so entertaining and so poignant. It was really 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.520 insightful stuff from the Dean, and along with it some 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.559 great stories about the likes of Scott Walker, PJ. Harvey 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.640 and Jomy Corbyn's new curtains. But I'm not going to 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.520 ruin it. That's all I'm going to say. But I 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.480 just hope you enjoy listening to it. If you do, 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.040 please do you subscribe or leave a comment review wherever 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.440 you're listening. And a massive thanks again to Nadan Shah 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.000 and End of the Road. This is episode thirty three 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:16.600 of Midnight Chats. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:31.160 How are you doing, Nadean Chat? 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.680 I'm all right, hanging on by a thread. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:36.880 Really not feeling too good. 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.040 A little bit ropie. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.880 In fact, I played it quite I was quite safe 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.239 last night and that I watched Lucinda play, who was 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.720 one of the I think it's one of the most 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.400 inspiring things I've ever seen. Actually, prior to watching her 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.320 last night, i'd never even heard about it. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.120 So it was one of those things when you go 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:54.160 to a festival and you. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.080 Find a real gem and it's very rare that we 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:02.000 hear older women's voices in the music industry, and what 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:03.440 an inspiration she was. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:03.880 It was this. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.920 But then went to bed pretty early after that, but 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.160 there was some party animals next door. I mean I 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.040 felt like this grumpy old keep it down, keep it down, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.040 but uh yeah, three hours sleep but hanging. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.000 In Yeah, And is End the Road one of those 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.080 festivals that you would come to to go and check 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.520 out music that you're interesting, because it can't be often 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.680 when you go and perform at these type of things. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.520 It must be the case that you have to turn up, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.600 you perform, you leave. But is it sort of end 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.040 of the road Glastonbury style? Do you try and go 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.360 to these type of places and come and hang out 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:36.880 for the weekend? 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.000 Yeah, I mean I went to Glastonbury this year, but 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.560 it's it's not really a festival that I enjoy. I 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.800 know it's the most famous one, but there's I always 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.480 find out. I have like a list of things that 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.760 I want to see at Glastonbury, and I see one 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.080 out of twenty. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.720 Fave because it's just too big. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.000 And actually I came to the end of the road 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.680 two years ago were played, but I was only it 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.520 was like an in and out job, like a bank robbery. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.800 I think it was like three hours and then out 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.800 to another one. But even those three hours, I was like, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:08.920 this is one I want to revisit. So I'm here 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.040 the whole weekend and like, yeah, I discovered Lucinda last night. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.320 There's loads of bands that I want to see. Unfortunately 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.840 I missed Goat Girl. I really wanted to see them. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.080 But Lemon Twigs are playing after me this evening and 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.240 I'm really looking forward to seeing them. But I think 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.720 it's a pretty special festival actually, like the size of 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:33.400 it is ace. Everyone's oh, so we'reccommodating and that you 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:35.280 get people bringing you with beer. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.679 Saying nice things. We should just keep saying nice things. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:40.000 Ah. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:44.920 I want if you can get this sound on the podcast, Oh. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:45.919 There you go. That's gonna sound crispus. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.320 That is my favorite noise. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.760 It's mine too. I think we might have a Probably. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.320 I was pretty terrible because initially I thought this actually 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:53.400 was a midnight chat. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.239 I thought that would be quite funny for you guys. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.840 But I mean I told my mother about it before 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.919 I came, and she'ld like ask what the itinerary was 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.760 of what I was doing. It's like, well, I'm going 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.599 to play a gig and then after the show, like 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:09.840 at midnight, I'm going to have a chat. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:14.839 And my mother was like, no, don't, don't, don't do that. 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.359 Pr shus and say it's not a good idea. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.479 Oh, she says, I've got the mouth of a fish wafe. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.080 So yeah, she's always pretty terrified. I can see her 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.240 in the audience when I play shows and she's just 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.440 like what she just terrified about what I'm going to say. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.719 She's very proud of me. But yeah, I'm glad this 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.320 is at midday. But I had to have like a 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:40.800 hair of the dog, and I'm glad I've got that 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.800 in man. Now I feel slightly less nervous. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.200 Yeah, I don't know what's what's I've been brought upon 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.000 pint of water, so maybe I'm kind of like then, 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:49.280 you obviously a talent. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.599 The artist, living up to every type. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.880 You. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.760 You often go and see other bands other people play live, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:04.320 which I think is interesting because when we speak to 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.279 other artists, when we have other people on the podcast 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.160 that we would call like this, They tend to very 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.320 much kind of concentrate on their own thing, and they 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.520 might catch a bit of other bands playing, or other 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.000 artists performing at festivals or at their own gigs, support bands, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.120 things like that, but they don't actively go out and 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.240 go and see shows that regularly. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.080 You do? How often do you go to a gig? 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.640 And why do you still kind of outside of making 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.839 your own music, you're still really inquisitive about going to 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.360 see like live artists. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.920 Yeah, well, I treat music as a job, in a 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.800 proper job, in that it's my trade, you know, And 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.400 I don't know about you know, whatever industry you're working 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.000 or whatever it is that you do. You want to 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.120 be the you know, the best you can be at it, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.560 and I'm constantly learning but always inspired by so many 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.159 other artists. Yeah, I don't go to as many gigs 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:55.000 as say a Big. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:59.880 Jeff You does everybody know Big Jeff Jeff's. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.920 At the first If he's not at my show, I'll 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.240 be devastated. Like, if Big Jeff's are not at your show, 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:06.680 it's just not worth playing. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:07.640 Yeah. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.640 I went to see Kelly le Owens yesterday and he 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.320 was down the front and I was pointing him out 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.640 to friends and family that I was with, and I 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.760 was like, it's a good sign if you've got Jeff there. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.080 Yeah, I love that man. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.760 He's a real beauty and he's one of the reasons 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.720 we do what we do if you're a musician as well, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.440 and I just I think he's a really great, great man. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:29.080 I love him. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.640 And but yeah, I'll probably go to about three or 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:37.080 four gigs a week if I can. I'm just constantly 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.320 learning from other artists, and I'm also trying to rip 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:40.800 them off. 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.200 It's going to say to go with a notepad, right. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.600 Not a notepad, But I just I want to see 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.240 what other people are up to and just keep an 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.720 eye an them. Are you know, just making sure that 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.640 no one's like stepping on me toes? 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.840 What what's he doing? I'm having that. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:58.400 Yeah. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.760 So yeah, I'm constantly going gigs all the time. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:01.360 Yeah. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.280 What was the last mind blowing show that you went 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:06.840 to see that you still think about now? 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:07.600 Last? 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.720 Well, the Lucinda one last night was a pretty special 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.360 one actually, especially when it's something that you don't but 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:15.040 you have no. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.360 Prior knowledge to it and it's a real surprise. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:22.000 Apart from that, what did I see last? 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.160 Can remember? What it's all lost? 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.960 Oh, I've been at a few Rough Trade East in 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:33.880 Store shows and I saw Richard Dawson play. Richard Dawson's 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:38.000 from my hometown as well. And I mean, like, I'm 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.440 going to stop going to his gigs because it just 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.320 makes me want to quit. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:47.079 I'm never going to achieve that. Never. He's I think. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:52.200 He's he's very special, yeah really, and he's he's unique, 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:53.880 you know. And I used to go and watch him 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.760 back in Newcastle that like before he was like a 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.680 name everyone knew, not even everyone knows him now. But 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.720 I'd go and see him at like at house parties 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.600 and stuff. He just like whip out his guitar. But 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.000 normally if you're a house party and it gets to 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.680 that out when someone rips out a guitar, you want 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.080 to hit him over the head with it. It's just 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.959 it's the most cringe worthy experience. You're like, oh, it's 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.199 time to google, it's time when rich When Richard Dawson 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.480 brings out his guitar, I think it's. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.160 Probably the closest thing I've ever had to. 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:28.800 A religious experience watching Richard Dawson play this powerhouse and 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.600 his lyrics are just like they're phenomenal, Like he's a genius. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.640 He has a song called the Veil Stuff and in 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.360 that song he mentions loads of people that like characters 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.439 from Newcastle that I know and we've grown up with. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.800 And he's just a very clever, brilliant artist. So probably 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.760 Richard Dawson actually excellent. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.040 He's just made it to His latest album is called Peasants, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.440 so if anybody hasn't checked him out, it's a it's 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.280 like a medieval concept folk. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:56.640 Record, right. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.440 Yeah, I can't describe what it's about because all of 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:02.000 his music's a bit too clever for me. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.920 I don't know. There'll be some article about it somewhere. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.319 Where and he goes into great depth about it, but 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:11.080 it's it's a beautiful album. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.000 Yeah, you mentioned the Northeast there, you're from South Shields. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.280 Tell us a bit about if people. I mean, I'm 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.240 hoping that lots of people here are kind of familiar 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.959 with the Dean and the music that she makes, but 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.720 for those that aren't, like tell us a bit about 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.680 growing up in South Shields and your kind of family 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.520 background and just how you your sort of formative years 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.280 of music discovery kind of took place. 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.040 Is anybody here ever been to Cell Shields? You have 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:41.800 got I recognize you. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.880 Uncle Dave. Are you doing yeah? 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:44.200 Yeah? 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:45.040 Rough trade easter? 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:45.280 You were it? 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:46.559 Are you love? You weren't lying? 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.160 I remember saying to you like your better come and 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.960 see me, and you did go on all right. Well, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:58.240 one person's been to Cell Shields. It's well a seaside town. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:03.800 Me mother was born in South Shields. My father's from Pakistan. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.120 He came over to the UK. Oh, I'm going to 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.480 get it wrong. I think it was nineteen seventy one 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:15.000 from Pakistan and South Shields is always actually like what 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.640 really grains my gears. There's a lot of people, especially 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:23.680 after the referendum, especially after Brexit, people pointing their fingers 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.040 at the northeast and saying, oh, because they voted leave. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.040 There was this mass assumption that are racists and it's 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:31.839 just not the case. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:38.200 In fact, it's a very diverse community Historically in South Shields, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.000 because it's a port town. We've had people from all 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.760 over the world in and out of there. There's a 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:47.800 huge Yemeni community. Muhammad Ali got married in a mosque 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:48.800 in South Shields. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:51.440 I wasn't there. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.800 I don't know if I was born then, I don't 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.280 know if I'm going to lie about the stage age 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.600 or not. If I'm going back my stage age. I 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.320 definitely wasn't born. But it's a really beautiful place. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:04.480 I love it. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.840 I love going back there, but growing up there boring, 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.720 pretty boring. But I think a lot of people find 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.240 that with the places that they grow up, you have 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:16.160 this this time where you know a lot of people. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:21.120 You leave your hometown and you go elsewhere, and when 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.000 you get a bit older, you get a little bit more, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.120 you get a bit more reflective on things. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.400 And I love going back there. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.960 My parents live on the cliff tops overlooking the North Sea, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.080 and it's just kind of mind blowing. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:35.320 When I go back, I forget. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.000 I mean, I used to hate it because I think 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.040 there was this article in the guard You know something 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.160 I was interviewed for a while back, and it was 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.839 about musicians that are from seaside towns and I was 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:52.280 asking the journalist is there like have you when you've 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.120 been interviewing people is like a similar thing? They're all saying, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.840 is there anything which unites us all? And he said, well, yeah, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.680 everyone's saying how bleak it is living in these seaside. 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.559 Towns, and that's for a few reasons, and that. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.360 I guess before air travel was so accessible and it 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.440 was so cheap, people would go to seaside towns on 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.199 holidays and so lots of them are kind of almost 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.800 like ghost towns now. And you see a lot of 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.600 on the East Coast, especially a lot of kind of 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:27.400 faded glory, these grand, grand buildings, kind of a bit 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:28.240 worn down. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.680 But I think there's also a lot of beauty to 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:31.840 that at this time. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.680 Yeah, you know, it's quite charming, yah, but it is though, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.200 there is that, But I think that makes you want 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.960 to leave because there's just not a lot going on there. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.080 But I love going back. It's amazing. 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.240 It's a place I might want to go back and 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.360 make me home there, which I never ever thought. I'd say, 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.840 I've been in London for fifteen years and I moved 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.920 to London when I was I'm gonna get me maths, right, 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.719 I think I was seventeen when I'm to London. I'm 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.640 thirty one. Now you do the math. So I'll just 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.440 sing the songs. Richard Dawson would know the figures straight away, 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.000 the clever bugger. But yeah, I've been in London for 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.960 a really long time and I love it, but I'm 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.079 frustrated with it. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.160 But it's where it's where. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.400 I kind of cut my teeth in the music industry, 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.040 and that's where I did only slogging away at gigs 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.120 was in London, not in the Northeast, because the Northeast 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.000 was kind of dominated by male bands and it was 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.360 really hot to kind of get in that clique. A 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.440 lot of them have embraced me now, which is lush, 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.600 some good friends with like Maximo Parkfield Music and all 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.280 in the Future Heads, all that bunch, and they're great, 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.640 but at the time it was just kind of impossible 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.600 to get in that scene. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.680 Okay, why do you think that was what? There was 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.480 a certain closed mindedness. This is only like ten years ago, 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:48.880 isn't it. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.080 I don't think there was a closed mindedness at all. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.000 I think it just it just so happened that there 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.400 were so many of these bands. They were a bunch 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.120 of mates essentially, and I don't know, I get really 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:03.840 frustrated with the mus industry daily about how I think 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.760 it needs to be a lot more inclusive in so 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:06.640 many ways. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.000 And I don't think that the. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:12.680 Music industry at present properly represents how diverse this country 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.320 is and who is making music. South Asian artists are 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:23.120 definitely underrepresented. Female artists are un unrepresented as well in that. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.520 And also we get there's like loads of issues, like the. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.600 Term female solo artists just become a genre, which is mad. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.640 So I'm getting compare to like Laura Marling all the time. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.040 I'm like, wait, I wish I was like Laura Marling, 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.080 but I'm not. You just kind of get bandied in 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.760 the same and just get kind of put in the 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.480 same category and it's weird. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.239 Hopefully it's changing. I can't remember the question. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.240 Do you see any signs of positive progress? Because we 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:54.840 can talk about this in a bit, but you've been 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:59.520 very You've been like a passionate campaigner for they're talking 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.680 about mental health issues for example, and also you know 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.640 a quality within the music industry. So do you see 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.200 any signs in the time. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.760 That you've been involved with the industry. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.520 I've made three records, been giging for a long time 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.600 decade more So, have you seen a big change or not? 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.280 Do you still think there's an like where are we 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.480 on the scale. Is there still an awful lot of 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:19.280 progress we made? 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.960 Yeah, there's loads that needs to be done. Loads. How 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.600 long we got yeah, right, half an hour? 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.720 Regarding mental health, and that's a really big frustration in mine. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.440 I think that there's a lot of responsibility I think 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:39.040 lies within management companies and record labels. It's a pretty 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.160 destructive industry it can be. I mean, I remember my 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.960 first tour. My best mate Yasmin's here somewhere, oh yeah, 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.000 but we went out. She came out on tour with me. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.800 I was supporting Shakespeare's sister. Only one of them though, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.520 Shavn not the good one. And now I love our 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.840 money to king. I'm only joking. What's the other one 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.680 called Marcella? No, what's the one called Marcella? Yeah? At 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.760 the time, I think I was twenty at the time, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.440 yas was I twenty twenty one, about ten years ago 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.520 in it, and people thought that I was Marcella, and 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:15.440 I was like, way. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:16.680 I'm twenty one years old. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.359 When I was still kind of flattered though, because it's 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.480 a babe, but that I mean, I was just twenty one, 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.560 first ever tour and it was just me and my 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.600 piano at the time, and my mate yas carrying the 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:36.040 piano and every night there was like my rider was 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.320 just insane. It was like, you know, a bottler whiskey, 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.119 a bottle of wine and a creative beer. That's not 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.600 you should not be like you're the environment. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:46.680 That you're in. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.679 Alcohol is so present a lot at the time, and 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.600 there's lots of things I've had to learn over the 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.240 past three years of how to make it a much 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.879 more healthier environment to exist in. Otherwise it's just not 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.879 it's not it's not sustainable. And there's so many artists, 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.760 some really sad stories recently of artists that have taken 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.919 their own lives in the past. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.280 Year, and it's. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.439 Pretty scary the figures. And I think we need to 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:18.400 get rid of this ridiculous myth, this romanticism of the 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.399 tortured artist, you know. I mean, look at what happened 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.480 to Amy Winehouse. A lot of this would have been avoidable, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:30.760 but we Amy Winehouse. It's one of the most heartbreaking 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.000 stories to date because she was such a talent, and 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.119 in fact I started out in jazz music playing with 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.520 Amy years ago in London and it was one of 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.040 the saddest days when she passed away, but everyone knew 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.560 it was coming, and it didn't feel like anyone was 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.480 doing anything about it. But I've been going on lots 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.000 of panels and talking about mental health in the music 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.919 industry and what can be done to improve it and 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.560 to make it a healthier environment for artists to exist within. 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.280 So at least the conversation starting now, So I think 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.439 there is a bit of progress there, but there's, like 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.720 you're saying, there's still a lot, a lot to be done. 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.879 What do you think what are those kind of things? 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.400 Because you've got to look after yourself, but you also 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.080 need to kind of build a network around you. Presumably 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.720 that's people like your friend Yas or anybody that's close 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.680 that you know, you trust, because you can go out 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.240 on the road for months and months at a time 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.640 and it's it's it's it's fun, no doubt, but also 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.520 quite grueling. So what are the things that you think 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.840 you know? What would you your kind of recommendations be. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.920 Do you think it's important you mentioned Amy Winehouse there. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.520 Anybody's seen the kind of Amy Winehouse movie, documentary film 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:41.200 will know that. 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:41.879 You know. 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.720 It's it's you can point fingers at certain people that 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.200 maybe it looked like it maybe kind of took advantage 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.359 or didn't do anything the inactivity of those things. So 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.920 what what are your kind of recommendations do you think? 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.120 It's just like, make sure you're working with people who've got, 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.000 you know that don't just purely have a business brain 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.000