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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas. I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's Monday, April third, twenty twenty two three, and

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Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome, It's time for Morning Combat. My name is

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. I'm one half of your hosting duo. I

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Speaker 2: normally join you from the capital of the Status of

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Speaker 1: But not today.

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Speaker 3: Live from sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas. That's Brian Campbell, the King of Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: It's time for Warning Combat High BC.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Just to wash Dad's trying to fit

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Speaker 1: in in South Florida. It's working out great so far.

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Speaker 1: But happy to be here. They treatise great, lucas. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just fantam. Mean, the coffee machine is incredible so far.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get a chance to sample that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, And we spent yesterday Luke

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Speaker 1: getting a big taste of Broward County right in the mouth.

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Speaker 1: We almost didn't see Phildaru that one of us.

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Speaker 1: We had a car waiting for him. You know, We're like,

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Speaker 2: And when we made it work out, I got there

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Speaker 1: We got to see Jake Bostwick, the BKFC star.

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna have a room service Diaries with Phil

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Speaker 1: you know, room service diaries, pregame previews. Look, we're coming, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a lot of fun stuff headed your way.

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Speaker 2: We'll be here today as well as tomorrow and on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: Be here as well. We have a lot to get to.

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Speaker 2: We had pfl bella tour, game Bread, Anthony Joshua fighting

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Speaker 2: as Hot as Balls. I don't know if we can

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Speaker 2: Like it's like, you know, low seventies, Danny, It's not

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Speaker 3: Sorry? Yeah, I know, we're at cbsa.

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Speaker 2: But the point I wanted to make was BC I

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Speaker 1: Uh, the infusion of insane amunt cash, the idea that

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Speaker 1: But this is a monster power move to become even

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Speaker 2: Well, people never think about how things can go wrong,

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Speaker 2: if there's enough cross pollination and there is some kind

436
00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,439
Speaker 2: of controversy in someone's bout and storylines quite literally are

437
00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,520
Speaker 2: getting mixed up between the two worlds, what does that

438
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 2: do over time or in particularly pronounced cases, not the

439
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,240
Speaker 2: authenticity of the product but the fans' perception of the

440
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,119
Speaker 2: authenticity of the product. I realized, this is like a

441
00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,240
Speaker 2: forty three year old guy who doesn't like professional wrestling,

442
00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,359
Speaker 2: maybe raising concerns that are a little bit hyperbolic, but

443
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,000
Speaker 2: it is worth at least working out.

444
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Speaker 1: If you're a pure UFC fan, only you might look

445
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,080
Speaker 1: at this as like, what kind of bullshit are we

446
00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,240
Speaker 1: going to see now? Or are we going to see

447
00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, Israel Ata Sonia showing up on SmackDown and

448
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,520
Speaker 1: being inserted into an angle, being inserted into an angle

449
00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,399
Speaker 1: only to promote his next fight, And are they we

450
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,520
Speaker 1: on the flip side then going to see what if

451
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,240
Speaker 1: Roman Reigns decides In real life, I want to have

452
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 1: a real fight. See that.

453
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 2: I saw Tito and Rampage when they were with Belator

454
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,919
Speaker 2: and the Bjorn Rebne era folks. Forget this, go on

455
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,360
Speaker 2: what was on Spike at the time, total impact wrestling

456
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 2: hitting each other with hammers.

457
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Speaker 1: I literally saw that.

458
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,119
Speaker 2: Okay, so that actually is a thing that in a

459
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 2: different world with different players, it got real weird at

460
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Speaker 2: the end there. That is what I would seek to avoid,

461
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 2: but I don't really know if that's possible.

462
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 1: Right, And also realize whether it's smarter, could ever happen

463
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,399
Speaker 1: or not. We've seen headlines of late that WW is

464
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Speaker 1: trying to push hard into the gambling space right so

465
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Speaker 1: that you can go on your Draftking or FanDuel or

466
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Speaker 1: whoever app and bet on the results of the matches,

467
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Speaker 1: which obviously are you do this could There'd have to

468
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,119
Speaker 1: be some level of showing. I mean, you'd have to

469
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Speaker 1: show the betting industry that you can protect your secrets,

470
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Speaker 1: which has long been That's why people like Dave Meltzer

471
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 1: can have these, you know, jobs and be these investigative

472
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 1: reporters and report this stuff ahead of time. I don't

473
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Speaker 1: know how you can protect that, but it's showing when

474
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: you all of this muscle together, because look, let's not

475
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 1: look past what this actually means. Whether you're looking at

476
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 1: this news from because you're more of a UFC fan,

477
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 1: you're more of a WW fan, or you care or

478
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,919
Speaker 1: don't care, is think of the power players that are

479
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 1: all going to be under the same umbrella. Now, it

480
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: doesn't always work when you put too many egos and

481
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: cooks in the kitchen, but as long as everybody respects

482
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Speaker 1: the job, the hierarchy which is going to be in

483
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Speaker 1: question here. But you've got ari Emanuel, Vince McMahon looking

484
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 1: down on Nick con on one side, Dana Why on

485
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Speaker 1: the other, you know, Patrick Whites, all the others that

486
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Speaker 1: are involved in that. What can they do big picture

487
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: that's never been thought of before to mergencies together. I

488
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: don't know if you're a peer a UFC fan at

489
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, if any of that stuff's

490
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Speaker 1: gonna interest you, or you're gonna want that, or if

491
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Speaker 1: that's just gonna continue. But like if UFC was ever,

492
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 1: they got pretty damn far. They got a Fox deal, Now,

493
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 1: they got an ESPN deal. Now they've been cleaned up

494
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: to a level where it's being fed to you on ABC.

495
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like, yeah, is the only chance for this

496
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: to ever go as commercial, to be like you know,

497
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: McDonald's and Coke and Pepsi, to be like literally a

498
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Speaker 1: number one or two sport. This is the chan this

499
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: is the big swing to do that. So again, if

500
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Speaker 1: you're hardcore and more about the purity and the old school,

501
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,479
Speaker 1: this might not be for you. Just like people say

502
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl, it's not for the real fans, right,

503
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: It's for your wife to watch the commercials right. I

504
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 1: know that's just generic and stereotypic, but that's what we're

505
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: talking about. I do have those concerns long term for UFC.

506
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: But here's another thing though, Why did the zoof of

507
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: boxing rumors suddenly come back? Why does Dana suddenly an

508
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 1: interviews the last couple months going well, maybe it's not over.

509
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: This is a power play for both brands because both

510
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: of them own the progressive new spaces of media and

511
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: streaming and giant TV deals that are right around the

512
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: corner so well and catered to such a young market

513
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: that you put them together, Luke, this becomes a potential superpower.

514
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: So could they get into boxing using all of these

515
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: promotional arms and networks and actually make some headway in space.

516
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: It's interesting when people when we always debate, one day,

517
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 1: Dana White's gonna walk away, you know what I mean?

518
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: But who can fill that spot? To be both the

519
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: public face would still be that maverick behind the scenes,

520
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: and we're like, could Jaill do it? Or is he

521
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: more of a figure? What about see? What about whatever?

522
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: I've always said, the only one that could do something

523
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: like that is Nick con Yeah, Nick kN could do it,

524
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: and right now, the way this deal is set up.

525
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: Nick CON's gonna stay being the CEO of WWE, but

526
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Speaker 1: like Nick khn is the one if if these families

527
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: really merge together, that could I mean he's Look, he's

528
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: proven consistently, like Vince has in his own lane, that

529
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: he's the smartest guy in the room and gets very

530
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: much ahead of these big things.

531
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Speaker 3: No relation to Tony kh No.

532
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Speaker 1: But I do wonder long term what that means, you

533
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: know what crossover eventually because it's it's well, here's none

534
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: of this may play out luke for months or years

535
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: where we say, oh, look at that connect that dot

536
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: with this. But there's potential for a lot of change

537
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: through this deal. There really is.

538
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeh, there's there's a ton I mean just thinking about it,

539
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 2: like who this is what I was thinking about last night.

540
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Speaker 1: Who is.

541
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Speaker 3: Who is Endeavor's competitor? Right?

542
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 2: I mean, look, when you have with UFC, you have

543
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: these rights holders. Now you have you have tons of

544
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: intellectual property. You have you have now rights deals with

545
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: in terms of television broadcasting vastly international and in these

546
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: major markets, you've got some of the best you both

547
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: in case of UFC andww you have a tremendous live

548
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: event business as well, right, and there's just a whole

549
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: lot like the movie studios on the WWE side.

550
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: Or whatever merchandise. I mean, it's it's so so what.

551
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying is who is who is not USC's competitor

552
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: ww who is Endeavor's competitors?

553
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: I think they're setting in a template. Well, this was

554
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna say.

555
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: It's almost and it's not quite like this, but it's

556
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: almost like they're a competitor to Live Nation. You would

557
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: get your tickets from Live Nation for any kind of

558
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: concert because they're in the live event business. Yet they

559
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: also have all of this IP. They also have all

560
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: these broadcast rights on the other side. You're right, it's

561
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: a hybrid business. But this is what I was thinking

562
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: about where Endeavors making a move here, and this is

563
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: the quarter or halfway version of it.

564
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: Even though it's a big deal. They're trying to set

565
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Speaker 3: themselves up.

566
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: I think as a dominant player in live event and

567
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: television business, how that will look in the next five

568
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: to ten years. I can't figure that had out. But

569
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: they're gunning for something far above what I think we've

570
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: given them credit.

571
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: And the different, the different in the new model, the

572
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: new template that they're makings that they own.

573
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, that's right.

574
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: Now. Interestingly enough, maybe this is vertically integrated. Maybe this

575
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: is the perfect transition to Vince mc mahon. Part of

576
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: that interview that him and ARII did with CNBC, it

577
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: closed with sort of an awkward question where part of

578
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: the deal was Vince retains his own ip to his

579
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: own name and life story and character and all that,

580
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: and so you know, in terms of like nobody's gonna

581
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: put out the Vince McMahon biopic or you know, or

582
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: tell all book while he's still alive. But can we

583
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: get Luke, because when you get that many powerful people together,

584
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it did feel like a little bit of

585
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: like a cult initiation video watching those two up there.

586
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: Can we show Vince mcmannon, let's pivid here into you know,

587
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: he's seventy seven years old, Luke, he's still a business machine.

588
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: He has do you know what, BC?

589
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: I think their hair color is natural. It looks very

590
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: When I think about this picture, I think very natural.

591
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: Dude.

592
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: He looks like a hot dog that got left in

593
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: the sun and then someone put a suit and drew

594
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: a mustag. Show it.

595
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like a villain in every Chot

596
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: Kids movie, Like you know what I mean, Like.

597
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 2: Just Vince, Vince, buddy, hear me out. If you're dyeing

598
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: your eyebrows, it's time to let.

599
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: It go, my guy. Dude, that this is such an

600
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: aggressive rebranding or reinvention of your physical image. That is

601
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: the grossest mustache that elf, Paul. I mean, that's like

602
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: John Waters level.

603
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: That is just like creepy, dude, when you shave the

604
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: mustache from the nostril to the lip, you know, so

605
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: it's just this thin pencil in.

606
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: The worst thing is Seane mcmhnon's son, who once again

607
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: came back I heard over Wrestlemanni and blew out his

608
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: squad in pure Vince fashion. He's been going with the

609
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: gray look for like a decade now, so but dad's

610
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: all brown up there. Like if you're a UFC fan

611
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: and you have fears about, Okay, this is gonna cheese

612
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: up our product because we're going to wwefy it. You know,

613
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: eventually it's just gonna all kind of blend together and

614
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: be one meal, like eating at the same cruise buffet

615
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: for a whole week. Luke yesterday's meal kind of tastes

616
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: like today, even though they look different.

617
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, A little human centipede.

618
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: How much do you think that concern you raised about

619
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: impropriety in the fact that you're now joining hand in

620
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: hand with the phony baloney fighting. I get, if you're

621
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: intelligent enough you can draw a line between scripted and

622
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: unscripted here, But is there gonna be a concern about

623
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: the impropriety here and long?

624
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: I not automatically, No, not certainly, not automatically. It's not

625
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: really that I think, Oh, because they have this relationship

626
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: now everything is called into question. That's really not what

627
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: I mean. But what I do mean to say is like,

628
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: for example, the crowd scandal, it kind of snuck up

629
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: on them, Like I had.

630
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: I had MMA coaches. This is a true story.

631
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: I had MMA coaches in the wake of the crowd

632
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: scandal calling me up being like, hey, so and so

633
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: wants me to do a break a betting breakdown for them.

634
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: Can I even do that? And I was like, I

635
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: don't really know. In other words, everyone.

636
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: Was engaged in these practices, they got out of hand,

637
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: and then the UFC kind of reacted later. Now they

638
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: seem to have fixed the problem, but that created it.

639
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: I mean, this is an ongoing federal investigation in terms

640
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: of law enforcement. It relates to these efforts like the

641
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: UFC doesn't want that, they don't want the bad press

642
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: related to Canadian provinces removing betting.

643
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: So again, it's not that I think.

644
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: That the natural order of things is that everything will

645
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: be a mush. It's that I think that sometimes the

646
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: UFC has been a little bit indelicate with the way

647
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: they've treated the firewall between the brands this case, Power

648
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: Slap and UFC, but also indelicate in not appreciating how

649
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: other members of the public, including regulators, actually think about

650
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: the product versus how they think about it, or how

651
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: the authenticity of how they view it versus someone else,

652
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: and they kind of react after the fact.

653
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Speaker 1: And I'm just hoping, I guess we see.

654
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: My only concern is that, you know, again, some level

655
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: of integration is inevitable and probably good, but I don't

656
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: want that to just cause a fervor and a feeling like, guys,

657
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: this is working, great, what's the problem. Let's just keep

658
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: doing it without putting enough guardrails into the practice.

659
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

660
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: Has been very reactionary. Let's see how much noise this makes,

661
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 1: so we have to then get after it. I mean,

662
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: can you believe that both of these two powers, Dana

663
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: and Vents, both these ridiculous scandals, and Endeavor was just like,

664
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see a problem, dude.

665
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: Endeavor didn't say a word about Dana's issues. Yeah, right,

666
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: I guess he addressed a little bit Vince on the

667
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: CNBC interview, not much, just.

668
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: A generic of like, I've made many mistakes in my

669
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: life over the years, and I've always taken the blame

670
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: for him and.

671
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: Stood up and said, yeah, I mean, you know, just

672
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: total billionaire nonsense. And Endeavor didn't give a damn Yet

673
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: they'll send me emails. Did you get the email from

674
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Endeavor being like, we're giving two hundred and fifty grand

675
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: to like women's sports causes, Like, dude, send that to

676
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: another chump, Like that doesn't mean a thing to me.

677
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: But incredible that these two guys enmeshed in what would

678
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: have been absolute career destroyers. But if you honestly, if

679
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: you're powerful enough and there's no disciplining force in shame,

680
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: you can do.

681
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: Whatever you want in this world. You can do whatever

682
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: you want if you're a swinging corporate raider and you

683
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: got the biggest stick in the fight, and they showed

684
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: it in that interview. I mean, look, Vince was celebrating

685
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: like touchdown dances. He loved to say this, he's doing

686
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: the icky shuffle close, but he loved to say, this

687
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: is the biggest move inn Ari Emanuel's life, and this

688
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: is the biggest move in my life. And he's basically

689
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: saying like, this is my legacy. This is the final

690
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: flag put down on top of the mountain for now

691
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: of what I'm showing you I'm doing with my legacy

692
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: and the control that I have and retain. I mean, look,

693
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: he's still here in an executive position technically above Dana

694
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: and the UFC overseeing that putting all those brilliant minds together, right,

695
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: it's either gonna be the most incredible thing ever or

696
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna blow up spectacularly.

697
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well that in mind, we do have to

698
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: get to the rest of the show because we are

699
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: a limited time here, but huge news to put it

700
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: quite mildly.

701
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: All right.

702
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: With that in mind, BC, let's talk a little bit

703
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: about bellatour we weekend recap in general, Let's start things

704
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: off with Bellator to belltore two ninety three obviously took

705
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: place at the Pachanga Resorting Casino into Michula, California, headlined

706
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: by a contest between Daniel James and Marcello gom BC,

707
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: Daniel James winning in the third round via a kotko,

708
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: a hook and uppercut combo BC. My question for you,

709
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: Daniel James, does he look like a to Ryan Baterer

710
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: to you?

711
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: He's becoming one. Some of that is the lack of

712
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: true depth in that division, but has his rise been

713
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: this fun revelation? Yeah? I mean forty one years old, big,

714
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: big power as well, but you know he was like

715
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: a rap security guard for twist does it?

716
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 3: That's right?

717
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? And for him to put his nose to the

718
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: grind and go all in right now and at this

719
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: age too, it's a fun story to watch. He does

720
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: have two consecutive knockouts over pretty legitimate names here, So Luke,

721
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: he shot his shot on Friday. He grabbed the microphone

722
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: and said, Ryan Baters in the crowd, I know I

723
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: can make a fun fight against him. How like, how

724
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: much more does he have to prove to get that

725
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: shot well. Vaterer's kind of of late silently cleaned this

726
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: division out, which is.

727
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, he was there in attendance, and Scott Coger,

728
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: I thought, said the right thing, which was afterwards it's like,

729
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: all right, well, letting the cell is probably.

730
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: The oh that run has been impressed.

731
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: But the card we talked about in Chicago, the upcoming card,

732
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: I think the June card, yes, where you're gonna get

733
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: Patricio and Pettis and you're and you're gonna get nim

734
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: Kov and you well, they want to put Daniel James

735
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: on that card. It looks to me like he's like

736
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: number one contender B and the Cell is number one

737
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: contender letter A or whatever, like they're both one one A,

738
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: one B.

739
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: So I think they're gonna give him somebody else.

740
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: He can probably really beat Coker's I will say this

741
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: is one of the things that Coker does really well,

742
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: which is he gives guys tough fights when they are

743
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: supposed to have tough fights, and he gives them more manageable,

744
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: look good fights. In other spaces, all he would need

745
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 2: would be a look good fight. Yes, But yeah, if

746
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: you're Ryan Bater and now you have your work cut

747
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: out for you. You have to sell in front of you.

748
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: You probably have Daniel James in front of you. I

749
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: don't know how much time Ryan Bater has left, but

750
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: it sets up the heavyweight division.

751
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: I thought he looked good for what it was worth

752
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: me see Daniel James, I thought that. I mean, when

753
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: he gets top position on the ground, he could be terrified.

754
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: But what about his takedown defense against somebody like Bader.

755
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't think it's not sign enough. Now.

756
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing.

757
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: Bader has kind of wilted at times under the threat

758
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: of big punchers. Yeah, so you have seen him lose

759
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: his composure in certain ways, but that his run through

760
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: the heavyweight tournament, which has not been some years at

761
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: this point, still like his speed and explosivity and his

762
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: ability to run through the horizon force in that way.

763
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: It's I don't think Daniel James's chances are all that great, but.

764
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: They gave Daniel James a chance, and it's kind of

765
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: an unlikely headliner. Yeah, a five round fight came through

766
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: and took care of business again.

767
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he beat two top contenders and back to back

768
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: fights for a guy we hadn't heard.

769
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: Of maybe even a year ago. This is a nice

770
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: run for him.

771
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: BC also on that card, not a great fight, if

772
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: I can just be honest, Katz and Ghano, she did

773
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: defeat Leam McCourt. They exchanged dominant positions that seemed to

774
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: last forever BC. So I'll ask the same question now,

775
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: Chris Cyborg is apparently not under contract, although.

776
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: There's a situation right now.

777
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: Well, Coger seemed to be pretty con he said that

778
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: actually she's still under because we have matching rights.

779
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she wants to box on a high level,

780
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: and which she did well at a high level. But

781
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: she did all right, But I think Scott's always been

782
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: willing to play ball on that right.

783
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: But it's it's the same question.

784
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: It was like Katz and now is going to be

785
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 2: forty one probably by the time they make any kind

786
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: of Chris Cyborg fight. Did you see something from Chris

787
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: excuse me, from Katz and Ghano that made you think.

788
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: That she can wrestle away the title from Chris Cyborg?

789
00:32:59,720 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: No?

790
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: I mean, has she earned the chance though, given the

791
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: depth of the division and the win she's had. Yes,

792
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: But Luke I felt bad for she spent a lot

793
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: of the build up to this fight, talking about how

794
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: confused she was. She felt she was already in key

795
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: labeled number one contender fights and won that and had

796
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: to pass yet another test. Some of that could be

797
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: the confusion of is exactly Chris Cyberg coming back? What's

798
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: the situation? I hope she can because kat Singhana has

799
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: earned this now at this point in her career, though,

800
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: is she's showing you that that plus level danger of

801
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: her rattling back against Misha Tape for a brutal knockout.

802
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that same fighters here anymore and hasn't

803
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: been for a while. She's still after it. Let's give

804
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: her that chance, but she'd be a heavy underdog heading

805
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: into that title fight if they can make it.

806
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like Chris Cyborg is aging really well.

807
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: She's aging but very slowly.

808
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: That makes sense. She she adjusted to the need to

809
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: really get the technique down in terms of her She's

810
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: not saying bruising mad or she's been and that poise

811
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: and patience is going to allow you to extend it

812
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: because the power can always bail you out, for sure.

813
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: But she's also added a lot of smarts. I mean,

814
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: how many promotions as Cyborg been in ended up the

815
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: champion and all that experienced up over time. Leam McCourt.

816
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: I thought she did pretty well. I thought this was

817
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: going to be much more of one way traffic on

818
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: the ground, and there was actually not quite the case,

819
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: although in the Endcat was better. Although I did see

820
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: some folks being like, yeah, there's a case for McCourt

821
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: in certain ways, although there's a weird fight.

822
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: It was. It was a weird fight. It was all

823
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: grappling and somebody gets full mountain would do nothing with it,

824
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: and then they'd get the back and do nothing with

825
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: it. It was a lot of just button heads in that

826
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: regard in the grappling.

827
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know what the future holds for Liam McCourt,

828
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: but Katzunggano stays on the winning track. She's your number

829
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: one contender. Should they have made this an interim title fight,

830
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: because there is some uncertainty about Chris.

831
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: Could have it could have, but let's I mean, let's

832
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: stay positive that Chris. You know, Chris doesn't turn down commerce,

833
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: but the business will have to make sense here. Yeah,

834
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: fair enough.

835
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: John Salter wins over Aaron Jeffrey BC and gets booed

836
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: by the audience when he announces his retirement, so.

837
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: He like apologized for needing to win that safely. But

838
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: he's like, have you guys been in here with Jeffreys? Yeah?

839
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: But b C.

840
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: The two things I want to talk about very quickly.

841
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: Number one, Luke Trayner defeating some live in Colley so

842
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: Live in super surprising and did it quickly. No less

843
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: big win for him. But the big one BC rat

844
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 2: Garbage lost by the way against what's his name, Mandel Nalo.

845
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: Dude, I want it see in my in my mind,

846
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: Mandel Nalo and and Big Tuna, they'll just never lose again.

847
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever lost again in my in

848
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: my personal even if they lose, they never lose. Like

849
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: Joel Ramera, I don't think I've ever seen him lose

850
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: the decision, look right, you know what I mean, I've

851
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: seen you know, I've seen some close ones there.

852
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: But but the big one was two good Prospects lost

853
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: Landscaps and Junior fell to seven and one. But the

854
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: big one BC Joey Davis lost. And I know what

855
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: folks are gonna say, It's like Luca hyped him up

856
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: and he end up losing well, okay, but fair enough

857
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: like that blow up in my face.

858
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: But BC, truly I'm not doing.

859
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: A bit here in terms of betting odds, a historic loss.

860
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: Joey Davis ready for this, yeh, A minus eighteen hundred favorite,

861
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: and he lost.

862
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: He lost, and he didn't look good. BC. He did

863
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: the no here's what he did.

864
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: He did the Darien Caldwell bit where it's lots of control,

865
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: not nearly enough ground and pound, not nearly enough sub attempts, which,

866
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: by the way, he was not doing before. He just

867
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: took two and a half years off of reasons I

868
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: don't know. Remember, Joey Davis never lost a match in

869
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: college and was undefeated as a pro in MMA heading

870
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: into this contest, was a minus eighteen hundred favorite and

871
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: still managed to lose.

872
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: See Christian Edwards moved to heavyweight, lost his third in

873
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: a row. Yeah, Big Tuna took his soul. Yeah he

874
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: remember that guy was a hype. That guy was hyped up.

875
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: He was.

876
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Big Tuna not to be played with.

877
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they screwed Big Tuna in LFA, though

878
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I think it was it was a close decision that

879
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: could have gone his way for the big fish.

880
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: It could have. It could have.

881
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to PFL if we can, because

882
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: they were on Saturday night on ESPN and ESPN plus.

883
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: That's a smit. I mean, one thing you can say

884
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: about that, bro. I like the broadcast, but that cage

885
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: is it's more for its own good. It's getting there.

886
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: It's I mean, why is everyone telling me what they're

887
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: doing on chat GPT when you can just be asking

888
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: the Smart Cage and PFL, right, like, what are you

889
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: guys doing?

890
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: BC? I like to say the smart Cage predict how

891
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: many months and years we have left as a duo.

892
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: Imagine if it was like the marriage is already over.

893
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: It's like it's like Thursday, okay, last night together.

894
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: Here's what PFL did BC. They got two of their champions,

895
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: Brendan Locknane, Brendan locked in whatever, and then Rob Wilkinson.

896
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: You can just call him Locknane.

897
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: It's fine, okay, But it's pronounced a million different ways

898
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: depending who you talk to. Yes, oh no, no, I've

899
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: talked to several different people and who are Brits and

900
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: they all pronounce it differently. It's not true, okay, whatever

901
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: the proper pronunciation may be EBC. They got him and

902
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: they got Wilkinson, two of their champs from the last

903
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: season and who did they fight UFC veterans.

904
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: Smart matchmaking though.

905
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 3: In a sense, but it ended up being at least

906
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: in the main event.

907
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: Fucking gross, But you're not hold on at the surface though,

908
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at what pfl's doing. They've got a

909
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: couple guys that are considered their guys that came to

910
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: their greatest level of prominence as fighters under the PFL brand.

911
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: Guys that like here, they just want championships. Even though

912
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: we seen Wilkinson in the UFC before in Lockmane as well.

913
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: They you got to put some names in the in

914
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: the tournament that people know though. Okay, so it's it, yeah,

915
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: but there's market grab the not the way that they

916
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: did this one. The Comaine Fine. I mean, it's tough

917
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: to watch Marlon Marie gets stopp for the.

918
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: Sea Marlin, and Marlin didn't even get sent to the

919
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: Land of Winding Ghosts. He got beaten up to the

920
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: legs and of course he got t KO from Lakis

921
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: hecause couldn't do it anymore. So credits of Brendan Lockman

922
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: or who look he looked great.

923
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: He looked great.

924
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: He did everything he was supposed to by the way.

925
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: He apparently he wanted to take the year off in

926
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: like not full year, but he wanted to just take

927
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: championship fights and PFL told him, you don't get into

928
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: the tournament, we're gonna lock you out for a year.

929
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: So that's not great.

930
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: Well, that tournament's a grind. It is an innovative concept which.

931
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: Everyone talks about, like, is the opponent hard enough relative

932
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: to the UFC, Well, probably not, but the fact that

933
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: you have to do it so frequently makes it very

934
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: difficult to win.

935
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: But VC Marlon maris dude.

936
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: He used to be known for a guy who had

937
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: real physical durability.

938
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: He's still in great shape, but he's only thirty four.

939
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: But but how many more do we have to see?

940
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this is now two fights and two knockout losses.

941
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: I believe it's is it six or seven consecutive something

942
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: like that. Yes, Danny Seguru was high on him coming in.

943
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: Danny's point was, if you look at the Shaman, Mari's

944
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 2: fight was the one he had prior to this one,

945
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: and it was it was his PFL debut. He looked

946
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: good up until he didn't, which is true. But this

947
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: is just the reality about guys once they cross a

948
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: certain threshold.

949
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: Dude, you can't get it back. You cannot get it back. Well,

950
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: we thought, but there's a couple exceptions, like and Andrea

951
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I Loovsky. We thought he hit that point twice, where like, dude,

952
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: the chin's done. You can't keep doing.

953
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: Okay, even he didn't have a losing streak quite like that, No,

954
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: not quite like that.

955
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: Even this one is worse. It's just like when Ryan

956
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: Hall tapped BJ Penn, and BJ was like, I didn't

957
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: get knocked out, so I can come back and do

958
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: it again.

959
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: I mean, and also going to be back and do

960
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 3: this again.

961
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: Ask he's a heavyweight. Big, big difference with that, dude.

962
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: I listen, it is very easy for me to get

963
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: up here and say a guy should retire, and of

964
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: course I don't have to feed his family, and it

965
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: sounds always like insulting, like you're not worthy to be here.

966
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: No, it's a bad idea for his health.

967
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Dude. He's literally getting just absolutely maimed out there. But

968
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: those were some intense leg kicks out Oh yeah, no,

969
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 1: it was great.

970
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: But I'm just pointing out this is like, you know,

971
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: not a one forty five per se, but it won

972
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: thirty five in his better days. I don't think Marice

973
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: would have necessarily had a huge issue with it, but

974
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: you know.

975
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: M moment then the bottom drops out. I've seen bad

976
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: all days, been the start of many.

977
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: You see Tago Santos, he won a round. Wilkinson wins

978
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: veaguanimous decision twenty nine to twenty eight. Think going to

979
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 2: the judges' scorecards, he basically got out, wrestled out, grappled.

980
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: Has made me a better.

981
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: Feel bad for Maheta because he the injury against John

982
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: Jones played a big part, and in hindsight, you look

983
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: back and you have to respect that he went all

984
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: in on that fight with two destroyed legs and remained

985
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: a threat, knockout threat late in that fight when I

986
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: don't even know how he was standing. But it's almost like,

987
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, like remember Woodson from Days and Confused. I mean,

988
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: he was like really cool and he finally came into

989
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: that knew it, but he was also like twenty two

990
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: and hanging out with sixteen and seventeen year olds, you know,

991
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: trying to drive them to the arosmath concert, you know

992
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, and like, you know, hey, man, watch

993
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: the leather and you know, when I was eighteen, I

994
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: was like, that's what I want to be when I

995
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: grow up, you know. But it's also kind of sad.

996
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: No one wants to be the old guy at the club.

997
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: My point here, ultimately, though, is that Thiago Santos found

998
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: his upper bound limit later in his career. He was

999
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: always a knockout threat, always a fun fighter, figured out

1000
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 1: his division and figured out his moment against John Jones

1001
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: and went all in, and obviously there was going to

1002
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: be a receipt due from that injury. And Luke, even

1003
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: in that losing streak that led to him exiting the UFC,

1004
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: he had big moments at times, like against Glover to

1005
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Share almost knocking him out after dropping him. But he's

1006
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: a diminished second rate version of where he was at

1007
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: that very peak, and I give him credit for getting there,

1008
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: but he's a name now and an opponent for guys

1009
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: like Rob Wilkinsims who's the defending champion there in PFL

1010
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: light heavyweight, who came out and gave a strong and

1011
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: honest performance and had to have moments last couple seconds

1012
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: he was putting together big combos. But those moments are fleeting, Luke,

1013
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: because what they're proving here, these younger guys, if you

1014
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: pressure him, you can lower his output. R You know,

1015
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: you got to watch the big counters stuff. But that

1016
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: quick twitch fiber which made him electric during the run

1017
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: leading up to and ending with the John Jones fight,

1018
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: that guy, that guy's not in there there anymore. It's

1019
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: it's not as quick that twitch. The twitch is fibering, Luke,

1020
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: just not as fast. It's it's like, you know, it's fibering. Yeah,

1021
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: quick twitch five Mike Colon fibering. You know, I think

1022
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: I think two weeks at de Russ Strong Luke, I

1023
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: could I could be a new man.

1024
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 3: I think you could.

1025
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what I'm saying, Joe Phil gets bam bam,

1026
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: gets after it. I'm talking about life. He gets after it.

1027
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: Certainly does BC.

1028
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: I often. I always talk about this.

1029
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: Everyone and their brother is always like, yeah, they just

1030
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: do these BS narratives because they're like, you know, there's

1031
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: so many people out there who just treat MMA like

1032
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: they're reading comic books or something, you know, where what

1033
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: really matters is some kind of mental or personal satisfaction

1034
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: about effort and these like high lofty principles that have

1035
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: nothing to do with real life whatsoever.

1036
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: You hate m fans, I mean, you hate journalists, do

1037
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: it too. It's nothing Finger super Chest.

1038
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: Oh dude, it's not about you're making it like it's

1039
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: me versus the fans. That's not what I'm saying. It's

1040
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: me versus people. Media included, promoters included, lots of people.

1041
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: Has nothing to do specifically with the fans that they want.

1042
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: They treat emma like they're reading comic books. But what

1043
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: you should be doing is thinking about this like a business.

1044
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: And sure enough, he's in the middle of a John

1045
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: Jones title fight and gets injured, and everyone's like, yo,

1046
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: you don't take him out he's injured, blah blah blah,

1047
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: because this will be you know, it's a title fight,

1048
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: and fair enough, it's a title fight, Like, maybe you

1049
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: gotta go for it, but if you're that injured, you're

1050
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: probably not gonna win that title fight, and you might

1051
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: be doing even more damage by just letting it go through.

1052
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: Sure Enough, they put a charge on the credit card

1053
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: of life, and then they just forget about the bill.

1054
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: And then the bill comes doue and then everyone goes,

1055
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: what happened, Oh, where are we now? Well, here's where

1056
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: we are. We're in a place where this guy is

1057
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: at thirty eight, almost thirty nine years old, to utterly

1058
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: destroyed knees, lost all that time in his career, and

1059
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: then now this is the state of things. Of course,

1060
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: it's been the state of things basically since then the

1061
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: Johnny Walker win notwithstanding, But that one wasn't super inspiring

1062
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: to begin with.

1063
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: He sat out seventeen months between John Jones Glove.

1064
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: To Share, right, that's how much time he lost.

1065
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: Because everyone wants to say, yeah, you just got to

1066
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: go for it, bro's the time to fight, You just

1067
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: got to do it. Well, fine, you can do that,

1068
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: but then the bill comes due on the other end,

1069
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: and this is what it gets you. This is why

1070
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: I'm always with someone's injured in a fight, and it

1071
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: really reduces their chances of winning.

1072
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: Get the f.

1073
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: Out of the fight, shoulder back in. We'll also have

1074
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: like like with TJ.

1075
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: Dilshaw, not that's so much worse situation because he had

1076
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: that before heading in there. But like his shoulder was

1077
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, his he ground his shoulder into dust

1078
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: and for what for nothing? And now the bill is

1079
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: due and his surgeons are like, oh my god, you're

1080
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 2: gonna need extensive repair. It mean, it almost certainly will

1081
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: never be the same.

1082
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: Well, Mahs lost six of seven against very good competition,

1083
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: though he was subbed out by Glover, but the only

1084
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: stoppage loss was that Jamal Hill fourth round knockout. Like,

1085
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: he's not in a dangerous spot, Luke, but he's becoming

1086
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: a diminished average fighter. Correct, that's fair to say.

1087
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct.

1088
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean that what what? What? Dude?

1089
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: If you had that much time off with that age,

1090
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: with those injuries, you know, do both of your acls

1091
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: going like that?

1092
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: I mean what, He's one of my favorite fighters to watch, Luke.

1093
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: I understand he's a new father. Congratulations to him. That's great,

1094
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: it's great.

1095
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like everyone just pushed through injury. No, dude,

1096
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: these are human beings. They're gonna have a life after fighting.

1097
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: They're gonna and this is the other part too, man

1098
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: Like with Marlon miriis he's thirty four, right, thirty four?

1099
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: If you're thirty, I mean we just have to fill

1100
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: filled to rouse thirty four. All of these guys do

1101
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: This is why fighter pay matters to me so much.

1102
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: We talked about the twelve billion dollars valuation there were

1103
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: four seven years ago. Does anyone think fighter pays tripled

1104
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: since then? Because I definitely don't.

1105
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one thing we didn't mention about this

1106
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: WWE and UFC, which are forming a new company together,

1107
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: is that this won't How will this affect fighter pay

1108
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: or at all? I don't know. I don't know how

1109
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: that's gonna go. It remains to be seen.

1110
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: But I just want to point out this is why

1111
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: with fighter pay, I feel the way that I feel

1112
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: is that so many of these guys keep thinking that

1113
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna be doing this longer than they're gonna do it.

1114
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: Something happens, They get knocked out a couple of times,

1115
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: like for example, like with the dominic rays, you get

1116
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: viciously knocked out.

1117
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: You're never quite the same afterwards.

1118
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 2: Or guys get injured and they you know, they lose

1119
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: time and whatever, and then they could be in that

1120
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: mid thirty ish range and they think, oh, I've still

1121
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: got time left to get big checks, and then it

1122
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: dawns on them that the big check days are behind them.

1123
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: You have just medium to small check days left, and

1124
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: by the way, even those are going to be few

1125
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 2: and far between and probably come at even more health expense.

1126
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: This is why the window to make actual money is

1127
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: so narrow, so small, that guys think they have much

1128
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: longer in the sport than they do, and then they

1129
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: get pushed out and they're like, where was all the

1130
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: money I was supposed to.

1131
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Make as a Redskins super fan? Do you feel like

1132
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: Joe Thaisman made the right decision after LT.

1133
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: I watched that live on TV.

1134
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: I remember that, dude, you would have been like six

1135
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: or five.

1136
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, I remember, I remember because it was

1137
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: it was obviously a huge deal in thives, but dude,

1138
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean.

1139
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: There was a big game.

1140
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: Even go look at Elsie's reaction after he He's like

1141
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: freaking out.

1142
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: It's so gross to watch.

1143
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: It's really bad.

1144
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: It's by the way, Joe Eisman does the radio rounds

1145
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: all the time, like yeah, yeah, he calls the preseason

1146
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: games for the well now the commanders for the local

1147
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: television station.

1148
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: Do you think he's in cahoots with Dan Snyder.

1149
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: I don't think he likes Dan Snyder very much, but like,

1150
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to be part of like the history

1151
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: of the team and like be totally on the outs

1152
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: with the owner.

1153
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: Even Riggins at times can still do you hold against

1154
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: Mark Rippin that he had acne and wasn't that cool

1155
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: in the mic in terms of like your Washington idols.

1156
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: He was good enough to win. That's all it really matters, right,

1157
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean, Rgie three sucks, but you know season.

1158
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: Was fun, So Jason Campbell was adequate. No one ever talks.

1159
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: About that, all right, Jason Campbell, I'll never forget he.

1160
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: I think he got benched or bounced or something. He

1161
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: did an interview on one to six seven the Fan.

1162
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: He's like, you almost starter in this league. I don't

1163
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: think he started another game after that. Again, the window

1164
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: that narrow, But the NFL players make a lot more

1165
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: money and they have a CBA.

1166
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: So your clip fell off. Look, are you gonna address that? No,

1167
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let it. I'm gonna let it rock.

1168
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: It looks like an earring. It looks like Jesse the

1169
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: Ventura And how do I let put the camera on me?

1170
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: I got an earring? Luke, would you like to comment

1171
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: on the outfit I pulled out yesterday at Phil de

1172
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: Rous's gym. In hindsight, you know, did it work? No?

1173
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 3: But I would say Dad. At the splash Park, I.

1174
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: Had the on the official shorts of Morning Convent. I

1175
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: had you Wanna T shirt and I felt I was

1176
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: filling out the T shirt fine, but it was too

1177
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: much pale, it was too much skin. It was yeah,

1178
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: maybe that was and I let the I let the

1179
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: toes fly free, Luke, because you know, would you would

1180
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: you go up to Gilbert Burns and be like, your

1181
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: cauliflower air is a problem. It's it's discussion. You should

1182
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: address that. So why can't I live with my toes

1183
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: the way they are? They're a roadmap of how I

1184
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: got here?

1185
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: You can just you can't ask people to like it.

1186
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: That's your issue.

1187
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: So it's like Frank Biember should wear like a COVID

1188
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: mask on the left side of his face at all

1189
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: times because it you know.

1190
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, if you're a Division one coach, you can

1191
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: we can wear whatever goiter you have on your It

1192
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, all right. Be see, let's talk about Anthony

1193
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: Joshua if we can. Anthony Joshua was back in the news.

1194
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: He wins a big fight sort of. He wins the

1195
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: unanimous decision over Jermaine Franklin.

1196
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: First fight, the new trainer, third trainer, and as many fights,

1197
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: don't forget that.

1198
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: Here's my review. Tell me if I'm right or wrong.

1199
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: My review is that this was an important fight to

1200
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: definitely just get a win. Yes, had to get momentum

1201
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: going in the right direction on that level in a

1202
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: very basic way. Mission accomplished. However, there was nothing about

1203
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: that performance that inspired confidence. Now, he didn't make any

1204
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: bad decisions, but he looked hesitant. He didn't look like

1205
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: he was really ready to let his punches go. Franklin

1206
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: I thought was a decent opponent and had some achieved.

1207
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: He was wickands he stayed in there.

1208
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: So I'm not ready to bury Joshua. But here's my

1209
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: one takeaway. If you were looking for this performance to

1210
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: restore confidence about how he could do against Fury or Wilder, boy,

1211
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: did it let you down?

1212
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 4: It?

1213
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: Did it? Did? Could you take it? And I saw

1214
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: the tweets from Derek James who said afterwards, I was

1215
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: just happy to get the win under any circumstances. So,

1216
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: like said, in that regard, that's fine. There were some

1217
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: things to like. It wasn't a disruptively bad performance. He

1218
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: landed double the punches of Franklin. But I never saw

1219
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua fully comfortable. I thought in the first half

1220
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: of the fight, when he was relying on that jab

1221
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: and actually making it a weapon and movement with that,

1222
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: that's what you want from AJ, right, But he never

1223
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: went after Franklin. In fact, he got wobbled a couple

1224
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: times from one punch at a time, moments where you

1225
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: can imagine what would happen if somebody of elite skill

1226
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: was in that spot late in that fight against him.

1227
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: So let's talk. Let's talk. He's broken. Anthony Joshua was

1228
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: broken from what happened in the loss in the first

1229
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: Ruiz fight. That doesn't mean he hasn't repaired some of

1230
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: that back. He has. But I asked a lot of

1231
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: him coming into this fight with third trainer in as

1232
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: many fights, But like what could be the Derek James factor?

1233
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: To me, it came down to AJ. Could he get

1234
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: back his confidence his swagger. He doesn't have it back.

1235
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: He's too cautious. Luckily for him, with his size and luke.

1236
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: He came in out of a career high two fifty five. Dude,

1237
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: he was you superjack, you know, so that shows you

1238
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: the direction he's trying to go. So I was like, oh, good,

1239
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: he's going to go back to his punching ways, right,

1240
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: Not fully good. The confidence in that isn't good, the

1241
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: confidence in his chin. And even though he never got

1242
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: one punch by Andy Ruiz, it wasn't like, you know,

1243
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: Lennox Lewis got one punch, Lennox Lu's got one punch twice.

1244
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: Now he got up and came back and beat those

1245
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: same guys by knockout in title fight rematches. AJ was

1246
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: an equilibrium shot and then the accumulation of flurries and

1247
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: exhaustion and I think all the mental stuff he was fighting,

1248
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, the family business and all that drama that

1249
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: surrounded that event. But he's not fixed and I don't

1250
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: think he ever is going to be. If you're an

1251
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: AJ fan, though, can he still beat the majority of heavyweights? Yes?

1252
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1253
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: But can he beat anyone that anyone cares about? Can

1254
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: he be? The key question is here? Can he beat

1255
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: Usiker Fury, the two guys with belts? No, he can't

1256
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: beat those guys right now? Could he beat Deontay Wilder?

1257
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: If you could finally make that fight. He could, I doubt,

1258
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: but you'd have to believe the later that fight goes,

1259
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: because no, he doesn't believe in his chin, and because

1260
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: of that, it takes away how effective and damaging he

1261
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: could be. Franklin over fought Luke, he over he overachieved,

1262
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: he showed incredible toughness. But Luke, he should have got

1263
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: him out of there. If this is AJ back, he

1264
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: should have got Franklin out of there. And I'm not

1265
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: basing it just on that fact. It's overall something's broken.

1266
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll ever get fixed. It didn't cost

1267
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: him in this fight. But if we're being really honest

1268
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: about AJ, this vulnerability, this idea of forever. I mean, look, look,

1269
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: it's heavyweight, so in some ways, everybody's potentially vulnerable at anytime.

1270
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: It's an overused statement, but yes, one punch can completely

1271
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: change this, you know, fight at any time. So it's

1272
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: always going to be like that. But AJ's entyre ride

1273
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: was him kind of learning on the job. And I mean,

1274
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, Carlos Takam rob rocked him early and he's

1275
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: you know, had to get up off the canvas, why,

1276
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, against Clitch Goo and he had to you know,

1277
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: rebound against Dillian White and come back from being hurt.

1278
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: He's always sort of been. That's put in part of

1279
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: the charm because AJ works hard, you know, and I

1280
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: think he's likable overall. I know people have picked apart,

1281
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, his reactions to things and all that. I'm

1282
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: happy he won. I'm happy he can now make a

1283
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: big fight. But Luke, this was not the performance that

1284
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, see, he's got a chance here against Fury.

1285
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: And what did you think about the fact that after

1286
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: the fight, AJ goes right in the microphone and says,

1287
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, We're not getting any older. If you want

1288
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: to do it. My team is ready to make getting

1289
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: any younger. If you want to do it, My team

1290
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: is ready, Like, let's sit down and do this, Luke. Obviously,

1291
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: this is a monster fight, almost a career defining for

1292
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: both in some ways because of the UK Star versus

1293
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: UK Star Phillips Stadium all that. This kind of tells

1294
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: me like even AJ is ready to cash himself out now.

1295
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: Not that I don't believe he could go into a

1296
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: training camp and believe he's gonna win and go out

1297
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: and give the best performance possible, but his willingness after

1298
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: a somewhat shaky win to just be like, now is

1299
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: the time, we're not getting any younger, let's do it.

1300
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: That's normally, like, here's the thing.

1301
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: Normally Joshua in recent bouts after winning has been like,

1302
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: you know, are you gonna fight Fury?

1303
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: He'd be like, you know, I'll take on all comers. Well,

1304
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 3: he was very deflective. This time.

1305
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: He went right into so it's like, well you can

1306
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: read that as well. He's confident let's do it. But nah,

1307
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't know. I don't. I don't believe he doesn't

1308
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: think he can win. I just believe he's looking at

1309
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: it as I got one more chance at this and

1310
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm just going for it. However I am. And that's

1311
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: the problem, Luke, because that's where I believe Derek James

1312
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: won't matter. Could Derek James correct certain things? Was there

1313
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: certain things you could stop the video and show ooh

1314
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: that's probably Derek James related, and that's a plus. Yeah,

1315
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: there were moments where AJ looked like AJ again. I mean,

1316
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: look when he's leaving with that power, Jab, I don't

1317
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: care who you are. You've got to make adjustments and

1318
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: work around that. Some of his body work was good, absolutely,

1319
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: And when he's that he's a great finisher on the inside.

1320
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: People don't give him that credit. There aren't a lot

1321
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: of great inside fighters to be able to put those

1322
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: big punches together and have options and go with the

1323
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: right uppercut. He's got a lot of that, but he

1324
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: doesn't commit to that enough. Luke. So could he beat Feary? Yeah,

1325
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: there's always that chance, but he's gonna end up being

1326
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: a big underdog bettingwise. You're gonna see it against that,

1327
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't and I wouldn't love his chances going in.

1328
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: We already saw what happened twice against Usick. I hope

1329
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: that he can still make a wilder fight on the

1330
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: way out. But Luke, damage goods is an insensitive way

1331
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: to say that. But he has been compromised from the

1332
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: ruies lost and that that balloon may never get filled

1333
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: up again. Right. That toothpaste can't go back in, Luke,

1334
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: it can't.

1335
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: You saw it, no, And I tweeted this, I was

1336
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: looking this up. I tweeted this in the Ruiz rematch

1337
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: and here's what I wrote. This was December seventeenth, twenty nineteen.

1338
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: Quote Joshua might win, but there isn't a doubt in

1339
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: my mind Wilder kaos him inside the distance if when

1340
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: that fight is made. Yeah, that tweeted that almost four

1341
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 2: years ago, and I think it's truer than.

1342
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 3: It's ever been.

1343
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: So when AJ is fighting second tier guy like like, look,

1344
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: if they don't do the Fury fight, the Dillion White

1345
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: rematch is something that Dillion White's been working for for

1346
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: you every Jesus. So what I'm saying is could he

1347
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: avoid the big shot and use his boxing skills to

1348
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: out box dealing what Yeah, potentially he could against any

1349
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: second tier heavyweight Luke who doesn't have one punch crazy

1350
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: knockout power and isn't a great boxer. That's where AJ

1351
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: fills in the gaps and shows you his athleticism. It

1352
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: shows you that combination. He does a lot of good

1353
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: things across the board, but I don't think he's willing

1354
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: to risk it all in the big moments, and I

1355
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: don't think he's comfortable. Not everybody's comfortable being hurt and

1356
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: fighting through that. Rock Lesner, even at the highest level

1357
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: of UFC, never fully adjusted to the idea of what

1358
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: happens if you punch him square in the face early

1359
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: in the fight. You know what I mean, AJ does

1360
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: just he's not lacking the want and willingness and warrior spirit,

1361
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: but something's blow and he doesn't know how to apply it, Luke,

1362
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: and he's not willing to.

1363
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: So I mean, listen, here's a little test for yourself.

1364
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 2: One another difference. Now, the performance I'm about to say

1365
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: is not the best performance in terms of like crisp boxing.

1366
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 2: But if you want to see the biggest change in

1367
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: how Anthony Joshua approaches the fights, go watch his fight

1368
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: with Vladimir Klitchko, one of the best heavyweight fights of

1369
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: this era, frankly, and he had to get up off

1370
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: the canvas, and he had to rally, and he had

1371
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: to go for it, and he did and he won. Now, granted,

1372
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: he got hurt a bunch, and so you know, again

1373
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: you would look at that and be like, Okay, we

1374
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 2: don't want to do that for the future. And he's

1375
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: had cleaner performances. But the willingness to go, the willingness

1376
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: to sit in the fire and be there, I just

1377
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: don't think that's it.

1378
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: Here's a trend I didn't like. Part of why his

1379
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: performance did not get raving reviews is there was way

1380
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: too much holding initiated by AJ and the reason why

1381
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: I give some criticism to the to the tail end

1382
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: of Ladimir Klitschko's heavyweight rain, which was, in my opinion,

1383
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: in the worst era in boxing heavyweight history. And it's

1384
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: not Vlad's fault that there was nobody left to fight

1385
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: that Leninx Luke's retired and didn't come back. It's not

1386
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: his fault, and he took care of business across the board.

1387
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: But like people on the MMA side have criticized GSP

1388
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: at the end of his title reign for being too safe,

1389
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: Vlad started to get too safe and he did the

1390
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: jab jab lean jab jab lean and in some fights

1391
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: like the fight against Alexander Povetkin in Russia, the referee

1392
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: Louis back from being one punch not once but twice.

1393
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: Was certainly he believed in his own power and his

1394
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: boxing ability and that he could stand in and take shots.

1395
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: But he had Emmanuel Stewart, the Hall of Fame trainer

1396
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: who could act like that calming figure but also getting

1397
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: the ass when he needed to and look. Emmanuel taught

1398
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: him how to use his size and be a safe

1399
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: heavyweight without taking out your danger. AJ doesn't know how

1400
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: to do both. He doesn't know how to do both.

1401
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's either one or

1402
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: the other for him. And he was leaning too much

1403
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: in that Klitch Go play book of shamelessly holding, to

1404
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: the point his own trainer, Derek James, was like, stop

1405
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: the holding, Like, let's get out there, let's let's let's

1406
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: put the punches together, let's get on him. So it's

1407
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: tough to see, Luke. He still could win big fights.

1408
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: He still might win big fights. But you know he

1409
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: was calmer on the microphone this time afterwards, even though

1410
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: him and.

1411
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: I mean even he was like, no one's gonna remember

1412
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: this fight in fifteen years, dude, no one's gonna remember

1413
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: this fight in fifteen minutes.

1414
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: I mean, that fight was not.

1415
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: But did you see that the skirmish afterwards, they almost

1416
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: the two sides almost fought. That's the team.

1417
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean whatever, what, all right,

1418
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: let's stick with boxing. Let's talk about another one that

1419
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: happened over the weekend. I don't know if there's any

1420
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: fans in attendance. That was kind of sad, but at

1421
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: the Five Serve Forum, a boxing event, took place game

1422
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: Bred Boxing four.

1423
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: I think is what it's called.

1424
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: In your main event, Anthony Pettis defeating Roy Jones Junior.

1425
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: Of course, we had some other matches on there, Joseialdo

1426
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: and Jeremie Stevens. We had Jack Array and Vitor. We'll

1427
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: talk about the other two in a minute.

1428
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: Your impression of how I'm pleasure this event went RJ.

1429
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,479
Speaker 1: Or Roy Jones. I don't want to see Roy Jones

1430
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: in this spot anymore. He's fifty four years old, and

1431
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: it was a competitive fight against Pettis, and but at

1432
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: the same time, it was also kind of this.

1433
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: Like Pettis looked noticeably less washed than Roy Jones, which

1434
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: I say to be like in professional mma, Pettis has

1435
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: looked like he's been on his last legs for a while,

1436
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: you know.

1437
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying here is I don't like the

1438
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: use of Roy Jones here, although I get it, and

1439
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: luckily Roy didn't get hurt and it was a competitive

1440
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: fight and a close decision that could have gone either way.

1441
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: But the rest of the card in totality, I think

1442
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: there's still an opening and market for this in the

1443
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: larger boxing bubble that we talk about that that, you know,

1444
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: it was Mike Tyson and Roy Jones fighting each other,

1445
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: and it was the Paul brothers and this whole YouTube breakout,

1446
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: and some of that is you get differing quality elements

1447
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: in there, right. I thought Jake Paul at the highest

1448
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: level has been good enough in a mix of some

1449
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, entertainment to get you in there in a

1450
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: decent fight. These were really competitive fights, So I think

1451
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: there is a market for this and taking retired, you know,

1452
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: in this case, retired UFC veterans who were still have

1453
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: something left in their late thirties, you know, even in

1454
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: some cases in their early and putting him out there

1455
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: against one another in competitive fights, not necessarily bringing in

1456
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: the YouTube element or the idea of like experienced guy

1457
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: who's old against inexperienced guy, although I know that was

1458
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: part of the poll in the Roy Jones Pettis case.

1459
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: But each fight across the board, even even to be fair,

1460
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: even the Jockaray versus Vitor Bellefort fight Luke, which Bellefort

1461
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: was mopping up and dropping him left and right early,

1462
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: Jackaray kind of hung in there and ended the blooding Bellefort.

1463
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: It was like they were all presented as pretty dark competitive.

1464
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: I gotta say across the board, the boxing level is

1465
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: not gonna wow you, not gonna wow you under any means.

1466
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: But it wasn't sloppy and it was competitive. Luke. I

1467
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna be game Bred and Mazredol's

1468
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: promotion through UFC Fight Pass and the fight app and

1469
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: putting it on pay per view that makes it work,

1470
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: or if it's gonna be ZUFA boxing. But I feel

1471
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: like this is what ZUFA Boxing should be, or at

1472
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: least should be to start. I say this because Dana's

1473
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: not giving up this boxing dream. Now you're mixing him

1474
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: with other people, you know, merging with WWE and looking

1475
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: at like Nick con who's the top WWE. Don't forget

1476
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: that the impact he had on the boxing side and

1477
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: representing people and negotiating big deals and bringing the top

1478
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 1: rank boxing to ESPN and having a huge hand behind

1479
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: the scenes and the building the production of that. I

1480
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: wonder if ZUFA Boxing could stay alive by almost starting

1481
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: this as the foundation competitive fights against using their athlete

1482
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: to either really want this one off to see what

1483
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: they can do, or their UFC career is done, but

1484
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: instead of going to slap or bare knuckle, Let's do

1485
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: it in house. Let's let's build the soft landing for you.

1486
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: And look, I even I wouldn't even be mad if

1487
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: YOUFC did this. If they put out a ZUFA boxing

1488
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: league that was largely x UFC fighters and they make

1489
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: competitive fights and put and even put a couple of

1490
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: belts at stake, I don't did hold on and didn't

1491
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: try to toggle over this belt means this or that.

1492
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: But this is a promotion. We're open to business if

1493
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: you want to come in from boxing. Were allowed to

1494
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: have the title in boxing by life, I get okay,

1495
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: but like I wonder if there's something here where it's like, okay,

1496
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: their career is done. But how would they look against

1497
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: jose A Al though for this ZUFA boxing title where

1498
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like fun and goofing in roadside attraction,

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01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: but it's taken seriously and their match competitively. Dude, I

1500
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: I kind of like Josie Aldo boxing and Jeremy Stevens.

1501
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: It was an interesting kind of fight. Ok. There was

1502
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: a draw and now they want to do a rematch.

1503
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, Luke that these are going to sell

1504
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: monster pay per views or that these guys.

1505
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 3: Are going to sell any pay per views.

1506
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: But I do think there's something because you want to

1507
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: see people you know fighting against each other, but if

1508
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: the quality and skill isn't high, then the fight better

1509
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: be competitive and exciting. These weren't barn burners or fights

1510
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: of the year, but they were competitive and exciting enough

1511
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: for me where I'm like, yeah, I kind of like this.

1512
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: Didn't hate it, wouldn't say I hated it.

1513
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: I thought it was fine, but it did not appear

1514
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: that anyone was in attendance.

1515
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: I don't know what the gate was.

1516
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen a crowd purposely blacked out that aggressively

1517
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: in the area look like WrestleMania one in Masson Square

1518
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: Garden where you can't see anybody to see blackness, you.

1519
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: Can't see a single thing. So that didn't look great.

1520
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what the payer review numbers were. I

1521
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: cannot imagine they were very high. Dude, I just keep

1522
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: coming back to the same things. Do MMA fans want

1523
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: to watch MM fighters box? My hunch is no. My

1524
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: hunch is no. They don't really like boxing to begin with.

1525
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: They will make exceptions for it for Fury tank versus

1526
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia.

1527
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: What if Luke? What if? Okay? Part of what makes

1528
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: BKFC good, part of if you can tolerate how you know,

1529
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: it's raw, it's carnival boxing, But part of it is

1530
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: they build the storylines to the fights in almost a

1531
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: pro wrestling way. What if who you know, what if

1532
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: ZUFA boxing took you know, in pre existing storylines from

1533
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: like you know, although and Jeremy Stevens previously fought and

1534
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: now this was sort of their rematch in another sport.

1535
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: What if you built on that and got you to

1536
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: kind of care about it where you're like, Okay, the

1537
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: level isn't overly high, but that's going to be a

1538
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: fun fight.

1539
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: And the only way that that works, the only way

1540
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: that that works is you have to get someone that

1541
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: someone cares about, a fighter that people are interested in,

1542
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: and they have to be in about that you otherwise

1543
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: could not get in mma. That has to be the difference.

1544
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: You have to see them in a way where it's like,

1545
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: not only do I want to see this pairing. I

1546
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: can't get this pairing any other way. You're never gonna

1547
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: get Mayweather McGregor in any other way.

1548
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: You're never gonna.

1549
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: Get Wilder versus Francis any other way those are interesting crossovers.

1550
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: Or in the case of like we.

1551
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: Did we ate our own fake game red cards on

1552
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: Friday Show with Danny, I had said Alexander Volkanowski versus

1553
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: Patricia Pitpull in boxing.

1554
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: Because there's no other way to get that. Yeah, if

1555
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: you do.

1556
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: We saw Stevens and Aldo fight each other already, and

1557
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: also with with Jacquaray and Victory. I admit it was

1558
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: better than I thought it was going to be, but

1559
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: still Vietor knocked him down a bunch and he won

1560
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 2: pretty cleanly in my mind, And so it's like, what

1561
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: did I really.

1562
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 3: Get out of that?

1563
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything I was desperate to see or

1564
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: I couldn't get otherwise.

1565
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: But that's the only thing in the market that UFC

1566
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 1: isn't capitalizing on right now, the idea of taking big

1567
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: names and others. You know, they did the seampunk experiment.

1568
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: They'll do big experiments if it makes a lot.

1569
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 3: Of sense WW fighters or wrestlers.

1570
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: Right, they don't have a house for it. But what

1571
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: if you start the foundation of whatever the ZUFA boxing

1572
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: thing could be, and then you can reach over and

1573
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: say any WW big names who want to get.

1574
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 3: Off if they're making fights that you otherwise.

1575
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: Couldn't yet, and then you then it becomes you. They

1576
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: would never brand it this way, but then it becomes

1577
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: a senior league for your again retired UFC guys who

1578
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: still have named value. The storylines are connected, you have

1579
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: the backstories. But if you can put out a competitive

1580
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: product that has knockouts, I mean, if you can put

1581
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tough man element into it,

1582
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of a put wrestling, build the storylines

1583
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: element to it, and get it to a level that

1584
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: it's easy to consume for the average person that doesn't

1585
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: have to know a lot about combats worts. Oh I

1586
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: know that guy. Oh that guy's going to box that guy.

1587
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: Then you have the opportunity for celebrity one offs to

1588
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: get in there if they're ready to take it seriously.

1589
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could start make something there and

1590
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: then start to say, look, we're open to anyone, anyone

1591
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: that wants to come in here and fight for our title,

1592
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: any skill of if you're good enough, come in here.

1593
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's that's where they can make a

1594
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: mark in a sport that unless you're willing in boxing.

1595
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 1: To come in with a lot of money, you're willing

1596
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: to lose it all.

1597
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: It is hard to I'm going to say that asking

1598
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 2: MMA fans to watch boxing and then pay for it

1599
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: very difficult to do.

1600
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: Well. If they took all the money and effort they're

1601
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: putting into slap and put it into Zoofo boxing, I

1602
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: think it goes maybe. I think it really would, and

1603
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: I think I think Jorge just showed with this event

1604
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: that you can do it, You can do it decently.

1605
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: It was Wasn't it better than Trailler and a lot

1606
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: of those other balls?

1607
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 5: Yes?

1608
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: See, certainly better than that. Yes, again it was not bad.

1609
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: Question is is it financially viable? And again, in the

1610
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: in the very basic sense, do MMA fans want to

1611
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: watch and pay for boxing even with fighters they like more?

1612
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 3: I am just very s.

1613
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, look look coming out of this this Jose,

1614
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: all the fighters, It's not my fault we do have

1615
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: we don't have built the Zoo boxing thing, and you

1616
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: had UFC Fight Pass, we could put on pay per view,

1617
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: and you have connections with now all these other partners,

1618
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: and you can promote it through WWE as well. I mean,

1619
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of things with it. What

1620
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: if you you got Connor and Jose to box, you

1621
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean? What if you did Connor Floyd

1622
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: too under the ZUFA boxingn make it. You said, Okay, Connor,

1623
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: you want a box, you want to do these big things,

1624
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: you want to box. Jake, Well, it's got to be

1625
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: under the ZUFA Boxing brand. And we're using now you know,

1626
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: Endeavor and w W and all our arms to promote it.

1627
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Luke, they have built the infrastructure for this.

1628
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: This new company of w W and and UFC together

1629
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: is meant to dominate the live combats.

1630
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: It's still such a thin, narrow slice of that would

1631
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: make it work, though, Like the entire pie of available

1632
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: fights you could make, the thinnest slice is the one

1633
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: you can think of how many it's just clo this.

1634
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: Think of how many UFC fighters are building up their

1635
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: own brand within UFC but not getting the money they want.

1636
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: And then they start talking about, man, I'd love to

1637
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 1: box because they're thinking, I'd love to take my star

1638
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: value that I've built, bring it over here and finally

1639
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: get paid. If if UFC can create an area within

1640
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,439
Speaker 1: their own their own ethosphere here Luke. So somebody doesn't

1641
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: have to go across the street and they can do

1642
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: that here. Then you keep everyone happy.

1643
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't imagine that ZUFA Boxing is gonna

1644
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: pay what other promoters might. I mean, if if past

1645
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: is prologue, they might be stuck in contracts that no

1646
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 2: longer sunset the way that they used to, which we've

1647
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 2: talked about the changes since twenty seventeen, in which case

1648
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: they'll they might not have much of a choice. But

1649
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 2: I think as long as they have choices, they're gonna

1650
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: choose elsewhere. Again, I am very skeptical. MMA fans are

1651
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: gonna pay to watch boxing, just not gonna have.

1652
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 1: To do you use people like the names we're talking about.

1653
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: It's a good way. It's a good way. Right.

1654
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: We got to move along because we have the studio

1655
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: for twenty more minutes, So b C very quickly. UFC

1656
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 2: two eighty seven is this weekend, very exciting pay per view,

1657
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: a great pay per view.

1658
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: It's well matched across, really well matched. BC.

1659
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 2: Give me the storyline you're watching the most as we

1660
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 2: head into fight week.

1661
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like to take that, but remember

1662
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: that that that line Chuck used when we sat down

1663
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: for the only as well, it's it's the whole line

1664
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: of like leading into the last fight between uh Adosiannia

1665
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: and Pea and Pereira, you know, November and mathis Square Garden,

1666
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 1: we were talking about finally Isy the superstar, his villain

1667
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: you know, from his past was showing up and it

1668
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: was gonna be the easy story, and Chuck said, well,

1669
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: what if it's really the Pereira story, And now that

1670
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: he's got three victories over is He including two come

1671
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: from behind, and the fact Luke that yeah, and the

1672
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: fact that like he has almost no MMA experience and

1673
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: makes this transition almost in like a brock lesnar like

1674
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: a way to just come on the scene and obviously

1675
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: having had history with Israel. It sped up him getting

1676
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: a title shot. Although he won the fights he needed

1677
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: to and it helped it as he kind of cleaned

1678
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: out the division and the look the timing was perfect,

1679
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: but he came in there, he stayed the course, he

1680
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: got the knockout win. I hate to frame things or

1681
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: always from the podcast standpoint, always trying to say, well,

1682
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: does this make him the third greatest middleweight if he wins?

1683
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: Like Nope, people are sick of that, Luke, But it

1684
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: is interesting that just recently, is he was like literally

1685
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: on the verge of knocking on the door of immortality,

1686
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: not just being a great in one of the greatest

1687
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: middleweights of all time, but becoming a all time great.

1688
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: We were talking about him moving up to light heavyweight

1689
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: and winning that and then moving up to heavyweight and

1690
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: fighting John Jones to try to become MMA Elite's first

1691
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: three division champion. Okay, then he lost to Yanbohovitch. He

1692
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: did come back and defend his middleweight title three more times.

1693
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: But Luke, I really wonder now if this is the

1694
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: the Poetan Perreira story and are we heading in? I mean,

1695
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if is he who? Who? Look, he's already

1696
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: accomplished enough that he's in the history books. He's already

1697
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: a great. But if he loses twice in a row

1698
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: right now to his longtime rival, how much does that

1699
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: put a ceiling on his on, you know, on on

1700
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: the total reality of his once bright We could be

1701
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: looking at the greatest striker the sport's ever seen. And

1702
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,959
Speaker 1: you know, and look, that middleweight run is super impressive,

1703
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: but two in a row now, this story will be

1704
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: all about Pereira. I mean what he's he has eight

1705
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: pro fights. Look at MMA, all right, I mean you

1706
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he lost his debut and

1707
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: then he won a couple of day, took four years

1708
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: off and he watched is he become this thing? And

1709
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: then he come in there and he took it.

1710
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 2: It doesn't undo for me. I said this to Chuck

1711
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 2: at the time, and I still do feel this way.

1712
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't undo the spectacular run that he had. I mean, remember, dude,

1713
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 2: he went in there in Australia in a hostile crowd

1714
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: and finished off Robert Waker. Do that and the remember

1715
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: he danced beforehand, Like, none of that goes away if

1716
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 2: he loses.

1717
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 3: That to me is still very special, very remarkable.

1718
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 1: And the names in a row that he'd be if

1719
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: you read them out, it's crazy.

1720
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: And also I want to say this, like whatever happens

1721
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 2: on Saturday, if if Perreerra wins again, Izzy is a

1722
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: major contributor I think to the growth of the Oceanic

1723
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 2: region in MMA and kickboxing, Like he played a role

1724
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: in really lifting it and creating some huge rye reason

1725
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 2: some big fights. So no matter what, nothing there changes,

1726
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: but it does change obviously the narrative if he loses again.

1727
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: By contrast, though, BC, what if he actually pulls out

1728
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: a win And I want to point out something here,

1729
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: like I've obviously had a very good relationship with Iszie

1730
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 2: for a long time.

1731
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: Reached out ahead of time, couldn't hear back?

1732
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 2: I checked out to see it was an MMA hour

1733
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 2: because obviously Earil gets all the best guests.

1734
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: He's not on there either not Maybe this seems pretty

1735
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: calculated radio silence, Yeah, like maybe he maybe aera will

1736
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: get up more.

1737
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll do some media that's mandated, but he's

1738
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 2: not doing nearly as much media as he did last time.

1739
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: As much as we're I'm being over aggressive and setting

1740
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: that that you know, narrative tone of saying, well, what

1741
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: if he does lose now twice in a row to

1742
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: this guy that that would have had his number now

1743
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: four times across two sports? Is he not that you

1744
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: know all all all time? Great that we thought we

1745
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: were the reverse on that is, if he comes back

1746
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: and wins it and regimes it, and it's it's you know,

1747
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: it's what Usmann tried to do and couldn't against Edwards,

1748
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: although he came close it's what the greats though, you know,

1749
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 1: Amanda Newness against Pania GSP against Sarah when you get

1750
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: that second chance. I mean, you know, came filascas, I

1751
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: have to get knocked out by JDS and then coming

1752
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: back right and in getting too he was dominant. Still,

1753
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: the whole idea of like the great ones come back.

1754
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: John Jones came back after that long layoff and sat

1755
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: on gone and he won a second title. I mean,

1756
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: the great ones do it. There is that pressure on.

1757
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest storyline I think, without question. Luke

1758
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: is the whole idea of of It's like, look, I

1759
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: rewatched that fight again right there, UFC two eighty one recently,

1760
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: you know, dissimilar to you know, I never really meant

1761
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: it when I said that Leon knocking out Busman with

1762
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: a fifth round head kick. You know, there's some luck involved,

1763
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: but but there was there's not that degree in the

1764
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: out of Sonya lost, you know what I mean. Yes,

1765
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: if there were ten more seconds in round one, out

1766
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: of Sonya probably wins by stay. But it was a

1767
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: gradual development of things that were happening that that you know,

1768
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: in the end, styles make fights and and is he

1769
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: wasn't able to make Pererra pay for his lack of

1770
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: experience and lack of grappling skills.

1771
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 3: But Luke, well he made it pay for one round, true, but.

1772
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: Not enough to like truly make it pay. But dude,

1773
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: this that the Lex Pereira story is insane crazy. It's

1774
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's insane in one I've never seen anything

1775
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: quite like it. And and look, I think is he's

1776
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: a slight betting favorite in this rematch. But you'd be

1777
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: crazy if you know what this is going to look like,

1778
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: because sometimes people just have somebody else's number. Luke does

1779
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: Perreira with the strong counter punching ability, with with the

1780
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: ability like he did in that first fight, to just

1781
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: put constant pressure on you, Luke, who's better than is he?

1782
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: When he's flowing? Nobody right? He can't flow against this guy.

1783
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: He can't. He has to stick in movie. He can't

1784
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: really hurt him as it's a difference. This guy doesn't

1785
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: go away. I don't think we say enough about what

1786
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: Alex Paeda did in that first fight. He did not

1787
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: go away like Luke. If he's still if he's still

1788
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: walking him down in the fifth round of this of

1789
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: this rematch or this fourth fight between them, you can

1790
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: have trouble all over again. We don't know what this is,

1791
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: how this is going to happen. That is the crux

1792
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: of my excitement. Head into Saturday in Miami and if

1793
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: you want to go there in the building, Luke, you

1794
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: better use your monthly rent payment.

1795
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: I agree, let's do this. My book, you read my

1796
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: friends You're up first.

1797
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was all into like passion, right.

1798
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 3: I know, dude, we have fifteen minutes left in the city.

1799
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: They're gonna be the best fifteen minutes of It's not.

1800
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 3: Me everyone, I know.

1801
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks, well, well, Luke, we were talking about Alex Paeda

1802
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: and he makes his long way to return against Israel Alsnia,

1803
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: doesn't he link?

1804
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 2: That's right for we're middleweight champion Israel Ala Sonya and

1805
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: his final preparations for.

1806
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: He pronounced it Aisyna, Luke. When it comes to betting

1807
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: on the UFC, there's a ton of value, as we

1808
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: know in prop bets like predicting how a fight will

1809
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: finish or how many rounds.

1810
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: It will go getting started dot ag and use promo

1811
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 2: code combat to claim a welcome bonus up to one

1812
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 2: thousand dollars suplus A three hundred and fifty Grand March

1813
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: Madness Bracket contest entry, although I would imagine some of

1814
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: that might be no longer available.

1815
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: People are like, b she give me one statement to

1816
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: sum this up. If you want a sports book that

1817
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 1: gives you the most for your money, bet on this

1818
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: weekend's UFC two eighty seven card and bet with my bookie.

1819
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 3: All right, bet anything, anytime, anywhere with my bookie.

1820
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: We wanted to become your bookie, don't we live?

1821
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 2: Yes, BC, we have a question to ask here. We

1822
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: can do the we can't. We have two segments left.

1823
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: We can only have time for one. So Mikey, can

1824
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 2: we punt the.

1825
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: No, No, let's hit that. Let's hit that. We'll go

1826
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: get through quick. Let's go. Let's go.

1827
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, So Catching Lightning comes out. I

1828
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: think episode one today.

1829
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you so. Friday, April seventh, the seventh yea.

1830
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: All four parts of this documentaries on Showtime, directed by

1831
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: Pat will begin streaming on any Showtime platform Sunday night,

1832
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: though April ninth will be the television premiere on Showtime

1833
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: four part series Luke and Pacandellas. By the way, was

1834
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: the same director of Outcry, the Greg Kelly story that

1835
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: we all enjoyed during the pandemic. Luke, this is twofold here.

1836
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: If you love the story of one of the great

1837
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: what ifs, what could have been Lightning Lee Murray? Is

1838
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: that in UFC and mm A history, right, one of

1839
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: those great what ifs. And if you like crime, true

1840
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: crime stories with witness interviews with the witnesses, and you

1841
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: know CCTV footage of the largest heightt in British history,

1842
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: the equivalent of ninety two million dollars, this might be

1843
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: the documentary for you. Right, we don't have how to

1844
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: play these clips and do dms. We just don't. I

1845
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 1: think we do if we sue the neflixs.

1846
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: Right, Well, let's get to a Pat condellis talking about

1847
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 2: the heist itself called the Flawless Heist.

1848
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 4: It was it was, it was flawless.

1849
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 6: And the way they did it, which is one of

1850
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 6: the things that really interested me when we initially started

1851
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 6: looking into it.

1852
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 4: How does this happen?

1853
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 5: How does the place that the Breads describe as similar

1854
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 5: to Fort Knox, Right, these guys get in and you're

1855
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 5: talking about like there's such a Hollywood elements to this right,

1856
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 5: you see it again, Like when you dig into it,

1857
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 5: you're like, how has this not been.

1858
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 4: Made into a movie yet?

1859
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 6: You know, you have prosthetic disguises, you have these guys

1860
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 6: walking in you know, it's there's a very heat type

1861
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 6: you know feel to this and tone and what they

1862
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 6: were doing with the weapons full body you know, body

1863
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 6: armour in some cases mass right. But the extraordinary links

1864
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 6: that they go to in the months and months of

1865
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,959
Speaker 6: surveillance and planning that they did is amazing.

1866
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 4: It's remarkable.

1867
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 6: I mean, even the police and the doctor like, we've

1868
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 6: never seen anything like this before. This is the kind

1869
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 6: of mission impossible stuff that happens and all it doesn't

1870
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 6: really happen for real in real life.

1871
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 4: So this is such a unique case.

1872
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 6: It was really amazing to dig into that. But you've

1873
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 6: seen the documentary like this, there's a flip side to

1874
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 6: that coin right, where the robbery itself went off amazingly.

1875
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 4: Well, and there's a lot to be said for that.

1876
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 4: Other things were not done well at.

1877
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 6: All, you know, but it takes a special kind of

1878
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 6: person to say, hey, I'm going to take all you know,

1879
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 6: fifteen plus b blostage, you know, and it bring us

1880
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 6: seven and a half ton truck in and spend an

1881
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 6: hour and twenty minutes robbing a place. You know, again,

1882
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 6: we don't see things like this happen very often, if at.

1883
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: All, Luke. Our producer Michael mormoll called it the best

1884
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: documentary he's ever seen. It's releases mussy and to close

1885
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: here with Pacandelas. You can check out this interview in

1886
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: full this week YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat about

1887
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: the process of document documentary making and all that is.

1888
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: You know, the idea of how good could have Lightning

1889
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: Lee Murray have benefit didn't have VS issues if he

1890
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 1: wasn't part of this ninety two million dollars he Let's

1891
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: hear from Pat Candelas, who interviewed all the big guns

1892
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: in UFC history for this one.

1893
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 6: I was shocked, actually, you know, because I knew he'd

1894
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 6: only done one UFC fight in his career.

1895
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 4: He didn't have very many professional fights. He had hundreds

1896
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 4: and hundreds of street fights, which have all kind of

1897
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 4: become legendary.

1898
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 6: But I was really surprised to talk to Andrew sa Silva,

1899
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 6: who was his last professional fight, to talk to Pat

1900
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 6: Melici that she who he was training with, and the

1901
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 6: very early two thousands when billitat Just Camp was Matt Hughes,

1902
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 6: Robbie Lawler, Jens Paul Ver, Jeremy Horran, Tim Sylvia, you know,

1903
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 6: Tony Fricklin, like these amazing, amazing fighters. Everybody said the

1904
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,839
Speaker 6: same thing, and and Remco Partell as well, amazing presian

1905
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 6: Jiu jitsu tacticianer in Europe, that Lee Murray was so good,

1906
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 6: that he was so talented, that he worked so hard.

1907
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 6: Everybody thought he was going to be a champion, if

1908
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 6: not one of the goats. And I was surprised, like

1909
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 6: Runco says at one point, yeah, I think he could

1910
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,520
Speaker 6: have been the next Ander.

1911
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 4: Silver or Fader in our industry.

1912
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,480
Speaker 6: I had to repeat that because I was so surprised

1913
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 6: to say that.

1914
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 4: But it was something pat militants, I mean, I kept.

1915
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 6: Hearing over and over again, you know, So it was

1916
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 6: it was amazing, you know that he did have that

1917
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 6: kind of skill level, he did have that kind of talent,

1918
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 6: and yeah, if only it had gone.

1919
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 4: A different direction.

1920
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 3: Leebory was good, he was really I remember his career.

1921
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 3: I remember his one of Jorge Rivero very clearly.

1922
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to get your reaction after seeing

1923
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: this whole thing. And look, if you're an m A fan,

1924
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: if you're a True crime fan, this merges together perfectly,

1925
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: the breakdowns of all the stories like the tit Ortez back,

1926
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, street fight, all that, with all those heavy

1927
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: hitters telling the story, Anderson Silva and on it. It's

1928
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 1: an impressive watch. Friday, April seventh, begins streaming on all

1929
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: Showtime platforms. The television debut Sunday night, April ninth. Don't

1930
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: miss catching Lightning. Shout out to our guy packingdellis a

1931
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: big fan of that guy. So let's close here. How

1932
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: about some lightning round.

1933
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mikey said, no, DMS, we're just gonna ignore him,

1934
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 2: but we're going to do it a lightning round style. Sorry, Mikey,

1935
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: but we will. I promise we'll be done here very

1936
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 2: very quickly. So let's get to it right away. Question

1937
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: number one from at Grand with just a bunch of

1938
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: numbers behind it. He's talking about how Aj might have

1939
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 2: lost his confidence after the first Ruiz fight BC. Any

1940
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 2: other boxer who lost their confidence in one night.

1941
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely many times over. Sometimes losing your confidence ties in

1942
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: with taking a sustained beating. Think Meldrick Taylor and the

1943
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: very controversial loss to Julio says Ar Chavez was never

1944
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: the same at that night.

1945
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 3: David Lauaso versus Rich Franklin, David la Wazzo was never

1946
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 3: the same.

1947
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: There's also sometimes it changes you think. Look, Hector Macho

1948
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: Camacho still a Hall of Famer, still an all time great,

1949
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: but he was something and was a certain point when

1950
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: he met that that career defining fight against Rosario Edwin Rozario.

1951
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 1: Even though he ends up winning, that that changed him.

1952
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 1: He didn't go after you anymore. He became a slick, defensive,

1953
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: safety first, almost fighter with the theatrics the rest of

1954
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: the way. Countless times you can look back at a

1955
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: fight where you say is never the same. But in

1956
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 1: this case, Religa, I do think it's much more mental

1957
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: than physical.

1958
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 2: Question you would agree, I would agree, Yes, I would

1959
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 2: agree at Doug dot Stone. If you guys could learn

1960
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: one language fluenty to help you better connect with an

1961
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 2: understand fighter from some part of the world, which would

1962
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 2: it be and why gotta be Portuguese?

1963
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: Right for you? Yeah? I love I'd love to learn

1964
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: Spanish and I try ESPN used to have the free

1965
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: Rosetta Stone and I tried Luke and I gave up quick,

1966
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: but I'd love from you know, boxing and mix martial

1967
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: arts as well. Standpoint to be able to easier, to

1968
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: be able to navigate the quick translations when you hear

1969
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: from a fighter or whatever.

1970
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 3: Do you if you work in boxing, you almost have

1971
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 3: to see Spanish.

1972
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: I love hanging out with with l Demonte Raoul Marques

1973
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: because he can. He talked to anybody that Spanish could

1974
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: just be shooting out. Now you almost, you almost can

1975
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: pull that off, right, you can.

1976
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm not as good as Ldamonte, but I can get by,

1977
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: all RIGHTBC from at Daniel d again seventy five million numbers.

1978
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 2: Have you guys thought about doing a resume review on

1979
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 2: Dustin Quarrier? No, we haven't, but that's actually not a

1980
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 2: bad idea. A lot of people are career is so good.

1981
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: Did we do Geichi? We may have.

1982
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 3: I don't think we do geiche either.

1983
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, can we take any of these ministers of

1984
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: violence and just rerun their other fights again?

1985
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 2: You're talking about but he finished off? Alvarez finished off

1986
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 2: and finished off?

1987
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:03,959
Speaker 3: Who's the other one? Alvarez? Chandler?

1988
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 1: All right? From at mx v R MR. What fus up?

1989
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 2: With these names, do you guys think Usman will try

1990
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: to make a move to one eighty five? If is

1991
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 2: he fails to regain the title potentially and all and

1992
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 2: assuming he doesn't get an the IMDIA title shot, what

1993
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 2: would the route to get there? Bell he would get

1994
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: a pretty big fighter.

1995
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: He would get a big chance. He would get a

1996
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: big chance. I don't know what that's gonna look like though,

1997
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1998
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 3: Okay, quickly Uspin versus Patata? Can he win?

1999
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: Can he win? Not?

2000
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: Would he win?

2001
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: He can? Yes? But look, I don't think he's committing

2002
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: anymore to the to the taxing, full time rise and

2003
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: grind style. That that one in the title, I don't

2004
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: think is it age or I mean or is it

2005
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: you fall in love with your striking? And it's not

2006
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: that he's a bad striker, but when he's not going

2007
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: to release that bull, right, Luke, he can't turn the

2008
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: cage into a China.

2009
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 3: Doesn't have quite the same gusto that he wanted.

2010
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: Which, like people was like stop saying DC could have

2011
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: out wrestled Steep in the rematch. He's forty years old,

2012
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 1: these fat stop.

2013
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: Bc at It's not cage fighting, is Poeta the most

2014
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 2: opponent dependent champion in UFC.

2015
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: That's a good question. That's a good question.

2016
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 3: Nico Montagno seemed like a pretty opponent well, but.

2017
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: You get the theory of it. Looks sometimes specialists or

2018
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: people can just fall into the right performance at the

2019
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: right time, and you're like, they're not a complete champion.

2020
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: They would lose against all these other guys. But styles

2021
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: make fights, timing make it makes moments happen. Luke, he

2022
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: got there, though, That's all you can say. Look, he

2023
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: would have he had to go through Sean Strickland. Then

2024
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 1: he went right the health through him, So what else

2025
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: that was? That was the top contender at the time

2026
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: he got there, Luke, and then he not the champion

2027
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: on the film.

2028
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: Also, McGregor had again not easy matchmaking, but he had

2029
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: very careful matchmaking favor yes to an extent and then

2030
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: eventually just throw them.

2031
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: To the war. But I always throw in that when

2032
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: McGregor is willing to be a company guy in that level,

2033
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: which like, I don't care if I'm injured, I'm still

2034
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: going through with the fight or my opponent fell out,

2035
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: give me another opponent right now. Yet, dude, that like

2036
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: when you're able to flaunt that and pull it off. Yes,

2037
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: you'll get more opportunities. It's easy to say you have

2038
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: se The C stands for Connor. We've heard that a

2039
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: million times. But like he also performed, he also fulfilled

2040
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: the obligations that come of a company man, and so

2041
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: did Chandler. It's not the easiest road to take, Luke.

2042
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: Some people think it's selling out, but it's also selling

2043
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: out every arena, right Metallica, friends don't let friends get haircuts.

2044
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 3: That's right from what you're doing. The v H one

2045
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 3: behind the music.

2046
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 2: Thing always in my head, always see at Riggans thirty two.

2047
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 2: Does it make sense for in gan who to go

2048
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 2: all out for the Aja fight now? I guess, but

2049
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 2: I would actually say the Wilder fight would be better.

2050
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: I don't know which one's more doable.

2051
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: But well, if the if you can do with Saudi

2052
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Arabia or something like that and get large money from

2053
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: actually isn't in Ghanu talking specifically with wild they're about

2054
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: the idea of doing it in Africa and making the

2055
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: same monster event. I've heard that if you can do

2056
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: Wilder in Africa, do it, But if you can't do

2057
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: it for some ridiculously large site fee in a foreign country,

2058
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: go to a soccer stadium and fight Anthony Joshua. Yeah,

2059
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: there's there's a little vulnerability there, like you can you

2060
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: could talk yourself into that, couldn't you. Yeah he get

2061
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: knocked out though, right, yeah? Probably yeah meaning Frank Yeah

2062
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: yeah probably.

2063
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 2: At Scott Scott r new what UFC Twoity seven prelim

2064
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 2: fight could steal the fire of the night and yeah,

2065
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: we'll just leave it there.

2066
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: BC, you got a UFC Twoity seven. Well, the Kelvin

2067
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 1: Gastlin versus Chris Curtis is going to be fun theater.

2068
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 1: Chris Barnett against Chase Sherman. I think Barnett is out

2069
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: that could be sloppy for Are you sure?

2070
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got injured. He's out of that fight.

2071
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: Why so for me, Kevin Holland taking on Santiago Pons Navy, Yeah,

2072
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a bet.

2073
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: Well, Rob is gonna be That's what's more. Main card.

2074
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,799
Speaker 3: The card is great. The card is great.

2075
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: How about Michelle Waterson Gomez at thirty seven with a

2076
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: a lot of losses lately, we signed for like eight

2077
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: more fights. Yeah, so she can't go fight anywhere else

2078
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: they're doing. Are they doing that to combat the sunset clause? Yes? Yes?

2079
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: Is this grimey or is this smart business?

2080
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 3: It's pretty both. The two are not mutually exclusive.

2081
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, m m Ai has a new

2082
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: video out look that people should look at it about

2083
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 1: and gone. When are you gonna watch this guy's content?

2084
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: When I can stop doing all these side projects? I

2085
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: think it could change you.

2086
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 2: How long took me to do this tank thing I'm

2087
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: working on all right at von Bacall, guys, how bad

2088
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 2: as do you think the nay security team is? And

2089
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 2: for the more, whose team would win in an all

2090
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 2: Donnybrook money may or Dana's.

2091
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: Teamdyuard a A.

2092
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 2: Mayweather has significantly more bodyguards and the way bigger.

2093
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: That's a silly He has some of the like did

2094
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: you see that WW guy almost almost almost whatever that

2095
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 1: he was. He did a face to face with Daniel

2096
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: Cormier backstage rustling. You see that Daniel Cormier's face came

2097
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: up like below The guy's moves like right here looking

2098
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: into his navel basically like Floyd has that level large

2099
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: guys in his entourage. Question nine, This is a bad question.

2100
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do it. It's a dangerous man

2101
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: in MMA? Who is right now the most dangerous man

2102
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: in MMA? You to himself? Or too? Yeah? Dangerous to

2103
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: who Francis and Ghana? Or is that no longer true?

2104
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 3: Mm?

2105
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 2: When I think dangerous, like who's gonna knife you in

2106
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: the alley? That's what I want to know.

2107
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,759
Speaker 1: I take Patricio Pipple on the street fight against anybody?

2108
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: You know? Like, think about this, like who's most game?

2109
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: Bride still got a guyt a case like all around dangerous?

2110
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: He got a case. And by the way, DC sit

2111
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 1: down interview he did with Brock Lesner backstage Wrestling is

2112
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: the only interview Brock did. Shout out to d C.

2113
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: That was a good ass interview. So watch that. Our

2114
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: boy Brett did the home the home ride with Jorge

2115
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: in Miami. You know that's all right? You're like, fuck Bretton,

2116
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm stop you.

2117
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna watch a lot of time at

2118
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 2: Camo KTV. Luke, do you think BC could create a

2119
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 2: five minute stand up routine and actually get laughs not

2120
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 2: only from the crowd but also you, Luke?

2121
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: Could he make you leaft? BC makes me laugh all

2122
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: the time, but not in plan bits I'm a reactional.

2123
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 2: I think you could do a five minute stand up

2124
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 2: routine and actually get laughs, not.

2125
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 3: Just in the crowd, but for me.

2126
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: Not many of us can. There's only a thousand of

2127
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: us who can on this Okay.

2128
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 3: Skits some biskits.

2129
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: That's not my comedic gift, right, I'm a counterpuncher. But

2130
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 1: have I not pitched for the next doc that. I

2131
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: don't know if everyone's gonna come out the idea.

2132
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 3: I think. Here's what I think. Here's what I think.

2133
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 3: I have literally a minute left. Here's what I genuinely think.

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Speaker 2: I think you could create five minutes, and your first

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Speaker 2: five minutes would be abysmally shitty and you would bomb.

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Speaker 2: Don't think I popped crowd a little, A little. I

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Speaker 2: think you probably have one or two good ones. Let

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Speaker 2: me finished.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about your anger. It's not anger, it's

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Speaker 1: just forcefulness. There's a big difference.

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Speaker 2: But I think you could make a good five minutes

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Speaker 2: with a with a little bit of like if you

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Speaker 2: had ten opportunities on stage. By the end, I actually

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Speaker 2: think your five minutes would make me laugh. Your first

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Speaker 2: rough draft five minutes is ass, It's terrible. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: be a failure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, thanks, I don't even Yeah, that's fine, I can't.

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Speaker 3: This is the pep talk my parents gave me. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna be terrible. It's gonna suck.

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Speaker 1: Just go do this. I thought it would look fit

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Speaker 1: in this turns out I looked fat. We just look old. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can't. We can't. We can't dress this up any

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Speaker 1: better than this. This is really you know what they

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Speaker 1: should do for when the Phil Druv interview comes out.

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Speaker 1: They should just put a bleep mark over my pasty

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Speaker 1: legs and just not show them to the audience.

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Speaker 2: The let's remind everyone we have a ton of stuff

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Speaker 2: we're shooting today, a ton of stuff we're shooting tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Wednesday, because we're in Miami. BC is

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Speaker 2: gonna eat a Colombian hot dog on air and give us.

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Speaker 1: A review, liver depending if I can make it through.

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Speaker 2: This was a My Wife special. My wife's like, get

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Speaker 2: BC to eat a Columbia hot dog on air.

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Speaker 1: See what he does. I'm like, okay, we can do it.

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Speaker 3: We're in Miami. We can go get one.

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Speaker 1: So that lady puts up with you on a full

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Speaker 1: time basis on backer.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's remind everyone one Morningcombat dot store for

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Speaker 2: all of our merch. You can go check us out there.

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Speaker 2: We have tons of stuff coming your way. We've already

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Speaker 2: shot some Today, Wednesday show and everything in between. We're

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Speaker 2: sitting down with some big A listers in the game

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Speaker 2: and have you seen this nonsense? A little bit later,

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Speaker 2: we're out of time. We have to go all right,

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Speaker 2: this is it. We're in our limit. That's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas. This has been Morning Combat. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: the folks at CBS who hooked us up today with

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: Shouts to Malka and showtime. We'll see you guys.

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Speaker 3: Soon and uh yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: So until next time, loyal gains and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Email your games, be loyal. Bye y'all,