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Speaker 1: Welcome into another episode of the Two Minute Drill podcast,

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Speaker 1: the podcast that's longer than two minutes but gives you

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Speaker 1: everything you need to know about the Colts right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm JJ Stankowitz and I'm joined by Colts dot Com

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Speaker 1: writer Amanda Foster, and on today's episode, we'll get into

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Speaker 1: the fallout from Samson Ebicom's achilles injury, our observations from

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Speaker 1: a few physical days up at Grand Park, and more.

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Speaker 1: At the one week mark of training camp. Let's go,

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Speaker 1: all right, Amanda, the big news this week out of

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Speaker 1: Colts Camp. Samson Ebicom, defensive end for the Colts, the

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Speaker 1: colts leading SAT getter in twenty twenty three, sustained a

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Speaker 1: torn achilles during practice on Sunday. So Shane Steiken confirm

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Speaker 1: that on Tuesday, the Colts have not placed Ebicom on

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Speaker 1: injured reserve yet that could still happen at some point

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Speaker 1: during training camp. If he does go on injured reserve,

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Speaker 1: his season will be over. If he doesn't go on

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Speaker 1: ir before roster cutdowns, there is the sort of slim

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Speaker 1: possibility that the Colts could get him back, maybe deep

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Speaker 1: into the playoffs. Like the door isn't closed and that's

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Speaker 1: not based demand on any like inside information I have.

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Speaker 1: It's just like procedurally, they haven't put Ebcom on injured

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Speaker 1: reserve yet. But what we do know is that the

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Speaker 1: Colts are going to be without Samson Ebcom probably for

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Speaker 1: the regular season, if not for the entire season. So

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Speaker 1: you wrote about this on Tuesday, what the Colts kind

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Speaker 1: of did to immediately replace a starting defensive end, a

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Speaker 1: guy was really productive for them last year who was

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Speaker 1: out there at defensive end, And what did you see

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Speaker 1: from them in place of Ebcom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the beginning of when they were when

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Speaker 2: the Colts were doing eleven on eleven drills in the

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Speaker 2: beginning of that practice on Tuesday, which was the first

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Speaker 2: full pad practice of training camp as well, started out

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Speaker 2: with Taekwon Lewis out there with the first team, which

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Speaker 2: is kind of you and I were talking about that

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Speaker 2: before practice, what we sort of expected to see with

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Speaker 2: And then Layatu Latsu started kind of switching off with

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Speaker 2: Taekwon taking reps with the first team, also somewha with

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Speaker 2: And I think what everybody was kind of thinking with

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Speaker 2: Latu was obviously going to get reps either way because

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Speaker 2: of the talent that he brings, and everybody's expecting him

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Speaker 2: he talked about this too, that even with Samson's injury,

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Speaker 2: for him, nothing has changed in terms of the mentality

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Speaker 2: and how he's going about it and whether he's getting

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Speaker 2: reps with the first team and the second team or

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Speaker 2: whatever it may be. He's still fighting and has always

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Speaker 2: been fighting for that starting role in his mind, which

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Speaker 2: I thought was an interest approach, but also one that like,

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Speaker 3: And so it was very.

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Speaker 2: Clear that kind of no matter who they put in

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Speaker 2: very prepared to kind of mitigate this injury, if you will,

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Speaker 2: and Obviously Samson leaves a big hole because he led

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Speaker 2: the team in sacks last year. He's a very very

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Speaker 2: impactful player. But it doesn't necessarily seem like there's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think two things can be true here.

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Speaker 1: That losing Samson up becom is a is a blow

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Speaker 1: for the Colts defense. Absolutely, like on a down to

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Speaker 1: down basis, he's a really good player. But also the

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Speaker 1: Colts feel pretty confident in the guys who are stepping

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Speaker 1: up there. I mean, Taekwon Lewis has been here for

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Speaker 1: you know, going on seven now, and you look at

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Speaker 1: his numbers last year. He was the most efficient pass

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinators to go, hey, if we need to go

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Speaker 1: I think Layatu Latu has been one of the most

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Speaker 1: notable standouts from training camp practices, like when we've seen

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Speaker 1: Bernard Ryman. I know you were in on Ryman's press

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously Bernard's a big guy right like you

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Speaker 2: And he was saying how you have to be on

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Speaker 2: whether like it's his hands or his feet or how

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Speaker 2: being in the NFL. You you really have to treat

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Speaker 2: it's funny you say, like he's he's easy to spa

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Speaker 3: To find him. And we there's a highlight video that.

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Speaker 2: It's something that he's been really excited to get into

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Speaker 2: and you can just see kind of the raw talent

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Speaker 1: So the Colts want to be eight deep on their

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Speaker 1: Latu was drafted in April, even as far back as March,

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Speaker 1: when you know Taekwon Lewis has re signed. You know

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Speaker 1: ebicom injury I think opens up an opportunity not just

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Lance sort of was that last year for the Colts.

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Speaker 1: He had he had one sack. Colts like his upside,

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Speaker 1: his his athleticism in length, and he's had some moves.

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Speaker 1: One other note here, Amanda Dioa Dangbo has not been

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Speaker 1: add some depth there. Some quick injury updates before we

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Speaker 1: move on to some other camp observations. Chris Laman still

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Speaker 1: the non football illness list. Shane Stike and share with

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Speaker 1: us last week he had some high blood pressure when

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Speaker 1: we've seen more and more of Brayden Smith working back

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Speaker 1: in at right tackle, I think I believe, Amanda, his

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Speaker 1: And then he's kind of slowly worked into a little

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Speaker 1: Titus Leo the six round defensive end from twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: He sustained a knee injury during Tuesday's practice. We don't

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Speaker 1: other camp observations away from the defensive line. Amanda, I

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Speaker 1: plays that Alec Pierce made on Wednesday. Can't miss him absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a practice he had.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean talk about impressive. You know, I was

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Speaker 2: Lot too similar with Pierce, especially in the last few practices.

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Speaker 2: He what I really noticed, especially on Wednesday, was his

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Speaker 2: And the athleticism that he brings, and there's obviously, I

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Speaker 2: think a bigger connection between him and the quarterbacks. Whether

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Speaker 2: it's the new Urcherd Center, it's Joe Flacco or whoever

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Speaker 2: it may be back there, there's just it looks like

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Speaker 3: And there were a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: Where he hasn't he hasn't caught the ball, but he's tried,

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Speaker 3: He's he's like tipped it and he's been really close.

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Speaker 3: He's not, he's not up on the first team. Blah

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: But it's because of the versatility and the depth that

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Speaker 2: he brings that he is so important. And that's why

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can really encapsulate the level

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Speaker 2: of confidence that he inspires and everybody else around him.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson was talking about this when he and I chatted.

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Speaker 2: They know each other so well now because they spent

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Speaker 2: so much time together as they were both rehabbing last year,

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Speaker 2: that there's a level off the field that they can

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Speaker 2: connect because they talked about a whole bunch of things

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Speaker 2: that weren't even football related. And you know, Ashton's a

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Speaker 2: big old school R and B guy, and so Anthony

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Speaker 2: Richardson is now also kind of a big fan of

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Speaker 2: that sort of music because it was always playing in

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Speaker 2: the room and everything like that, and Anthony he told me,

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Speaker 2: it's just like I love that guy, and I am

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Speaker 2: so grateful for him being there through that process with

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Speaker 2: me because they were able to lean on each other

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Speaker 2: and now they're going to be able to lean on

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Speaker 2: each other.

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Speaker 3: On the field.

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Speaker 2: And Anthony has that connection with this guy that he knows,

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Speaker 2: you know, if the second team comes in, or if

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Speaker 2: people are struggling and they need to bring somebody in

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Speaker 2: and it's Ashton, he knows he's going to have a good,

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Speaker 2: reliable guy out there. Similarly, for Reggie Wayne, he knows

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Speaker 2: he can put Ashton out there and he knows he's

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Speaker 2: gonna produce because he has before and he's going to

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Speaker 2: And Reggie was one who also saw Ashton through the

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Speaker 2: entire rehab process because Reggie himself also has had acl

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Speaker 2: injury in the past in his NFL career, so he

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Speaker 2: knew what to kind of tell him and how to

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Speaker 2: keep him mentally, physically, whatever may whatever it might have.

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Speaker 3: Been, just keep him on track.

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Speaker 2: But then he said something that was interesting and that

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Speaker 2: was kind of sort of one of the main focuses

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Speaker 2: of the story was that Ashton was just happy the

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Speaker 2: whole time during rehab, like he was smiling, he was excited,

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Speaker 2: and Reggie was saying that most guys or some guys

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Speaker 2: would maybe be moping sometimes. And you know, obviously, going

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Speaker 2: through a season ending injury and having to rehab one,

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Speaker 2: knowing that all of you, your teammates and your friends

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Speaker 2: are out practicing and playing games, that's a really hard

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Speaker 2: thing to get through. But Ashton took it in stride

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Speaker 2: and he was not that he wasn't completely fine because

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Speaker 2: he was rehabing an injury, obviously, but I think he

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Speaker 2: was as good as you could ask a.

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Speaker 3: Player to be from a mental standpoint.

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Speaker 2: And then that goes back to what I said in

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the confidence that he inspires in people

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Speaker 2: because they know that they knew he was going to

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Speaker 2: be fine. Reggie said, even when he went down, everybody

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Speaker 2: wants to make sure that he's okay, but they knew

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Speaker 2: he was going to be fine.

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Speaker 3: They knew he was going to come back, and he has.

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Speaker 2: And that's a testament to his mental fortitude that is

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Speaker 2: now going to translate into the field and onto what

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Speaker 2: he's doing, but then also spread to the rest of

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Speaker 2: his teammates, whether it is on special teams or as

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Speaker 2: a wide receiver, because everybody knows what he's capable of

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Speaker 2: and now he says that the healthiest ligament in his

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Speaker 2: body is his acl So you know, take take with

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Speaker 2: that what you will. But he sounds like he's good

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Speaker 2: to go and he's ready to go, and he looked

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Speaker 2: like it so far in training camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's had probably one of the two

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Speaker 1: or three best plays of training camp. He had this,

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Speaker 1: Like it was a ball down the near sideline toward us,

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Speaker 1: and it was sort of like a back shoulder. Daryl Baker,

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Speaker 1: the cornerback, didn't have his back turned, and Ashton did

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Speaker 1: that thing where like a wide receiver goes and like

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Speaker 1: catches the ball but then also catches it against the

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Speaker 1: back of the cornerback and then physically rips the ball

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Speaker 1: down for a catch while like leaping in the yar

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Speaker 1: this whole time. Like it it's hard to totally describe it,

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Speaker 1: but it was one of the two or three most

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Speaker 1: impressive plays I've seen out there at training camp. And

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Speaker 1: that's you know, he's not just a speed guy. He's

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Speaker 1: a physical guy. You can stick him in as a blocker.

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Speaker 1: He's going to give you three hundred snaps on special

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Speaker 1: teams if you ask him to. Like, this guy's an

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Speaker 1: important player on this team. There's a reason why when

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Speaker 1: the Colts re signed him a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just a you know, one year, here's a

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Speaker 1: couple of million, we like you. It's like they got

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Speaker 1: him for multiple years and they wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: that this guy was going to be a part of

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Speaker 1: their team, you know, when free agency hitots. This is

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Speaker 1: also coming off the it's coming off the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two season, so that also speaks to how much they

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Speaker 1: valued him, because that twenty two season was not didn't

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Speaker 1: go the way that people hoped it would here in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: to say the least.

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Speaker 2: His biggest thing is he just wants to play, and

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Speaker 2: that goes you know, he spent a year that he

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Speaker 2: couldn't play, so now he's going to do whatever he

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Speaker 2: can wherever he can to just be on the football field.

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Speaker 3: So you can put him wherever you want and he's

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Speaker 3: going to produce.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, that is going to do it for

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