WEBVTT - The Girlfriends S4/E4: Three Sisters 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.840 Hey, it's nicky. This is an episode about sisterhood, both 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.760 the ones were born with and those we choose for ourselves. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.440 It's full of love, but there's also a lot of 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:19.119 pain and stories that explore substance abuse, violence, murder, and 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.920 sexual assault. One of those victims is a minor. There 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:28.560 will also be some strong language, so if you or 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.320 someone you love has been affected by any of the 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.080 themes in the show, we've left some links in the 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.959 description that offer resources and support take care of yourself. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.400 When I was a kid, I used to hang out 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.720 near Quindera Park, a few minutes from my family's home. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.600 From the outside, it's nothing remarkable, bright green grass, a 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.040 kid's playground, benches to watch. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:01.680 The world go by. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.039 As I grew up, I began to learn more about 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.039 how this place was once a part of the Underground Railroad, 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.760 a stop along the route enslaved black people took on 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.120 the road to freedom. It's a part of our city's 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:22.360 history that's all too easy to forget. When the Black 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.280 Lives Matter movement swept across the world in twenty twenty, 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:35.039 that history took on a whole new meaning. I'm no 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.440 stranger to the racism and the prejudice black people face 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.160 at the hands of police, but seeing the violent deaths 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.280 of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor made this century's old 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.400 fight feel more urgent than ever. It also gave me 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.600 a greater awareness of cases involving police corruption happening right 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:59.360 on my doorstep, like that of Lamont McIntyre. He was 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.840 released after twenty three years in prison, but the detective 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:09.160 who had framed him was still walking free. Roger Glupski 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.400 had retired from police work in twenty sixteen on what 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.000 seemed like his own terms, and none of the women 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:20.920 he'd abused had seen justice. So in twenty twenty, I 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:26.280 organized a petition calling for greater police accountability in Kansas City, Kansas. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:33.520 As a result, I was invited to my first rally 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.680 calling for an end to police violence and prejudice. One 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:44.040 of the speakers instantly caught my eye. I was trained 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:49.640 to look around, know my surroundings. That woman was Kadiza Hardaway, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:50.840 so I'm. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.720 Looking forward in deep when I saw her, and literally 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.840 she is a full length of a block away and 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.280 I noticed her walking up to me. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.800 It was just almost like this weird eye contact. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.440 I really saw this ray of light. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:09.919 It was Nikki. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:14.000 She was walking up. We had never met each other before. 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:18.240 We just gravitated to each other. I had just immediately 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:23.440 hugged her, and she hugged me. We introduced ourselves, but 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.040 it felt like we already knew each other. It was 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.480 just this automatic sense of familiarity. I can't even describe it. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.880 I've never had a feeling like that in my life. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.760 It was like meeting a sister. I didn't even realize 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.560 I needed. We locked arms that day and we've been 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:48.000 by each other side ever since. Kadija and I spent 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.120 hours talking about Detective Kulupski, the reports that he'd abused 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.520 his authority, and the stories we'd heard from the women 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.560 he assaulted. We needed to do something, so the next 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:03.760 day we set up Justice for Wyandotte, an organization named 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.320 after the county casey k belongs to. Our aim was 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.480 to give voice to those who had suffered as a 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:14.040 result of Gulupski's actions, like Nico Quinn, who had been 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:22.920 coerced into giving false testimony against Lamont McIntyre and the 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.440 lead up to Lamont's exoneration, Nico had become the target 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.400 of intense public scrutiny. It was like her own city 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:31.440 had turned against her. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.719 I would get calls from friends and family members telling 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.520 me to stop talking to the media because they was 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:38.360 making me look bad. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.760 Part of her wanted to move on, leave it all 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.800 in the past, but rumors about Gallupski were coming to 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.560 light and Nico wanted to join the fight, which is 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.640 how she got put in touch with Khodija. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.880 I was in my worst when I met Khadija. I 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.520 was kind of like Larry to talk to her. But 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.000 then we finally talked to each other. Oh, we was 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:02.839 on that phone for a long time and it was 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.640 like we have always knew each other. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.040 We talked on the phone for probably about five or 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.800 six hours the very first time we talked. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.960 The three of us got to know each other pretty quickly. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.080 We were united by our experiences as black women fighting 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.120 for justice and our shared goal of creating a better 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.320 future for Kansas City. Kansas a city we love, but 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:31.320 it was going to take a lot of work. I 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.320 just knew that. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.720 Like after George Floyd and watching the communities around the 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:41.120 world come together because they saw the injustice, it was 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:42.159 a time like no other. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.479 We shared stories during dinners, made plans over coffee and 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.520 spent hours getting to know each other until our friendship 0:05:49.560 --> 0:06:00.520 began to feel like something deeper, a sisterhood. Police had 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.400 failed to stop Glupski from putting the community at risk. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.919 The authorities hadn't held him accountable for the abuse he 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.440 inflicted on the women we heard from, and it was 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.960 starting to feel like nobody was coming to fight for 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.960 the women of Kansas City. So we decided to fight 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:17.880 for ourselves. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:27.280 Oh God, Oh God, God. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.200 I'm Nikki Richardson and from the teams at Novel and 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:56.520 iHeart Podcast, this is the Girlfriend's Untouchable Big Episode four, 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:12.280 three Sisters. When Kadija and I decided to join the fight, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.840 the woman we gravitated to was Nico Quinn. We thought 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:21.320 we knew her story, her cousin's shooting, the witness intimidation, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.000 and the threat of her kids being taken away, But 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.520 it turned out there was even more to Nico's connection 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.280 to Glupski than we had realized, so we asked her 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.200 to tell her story. From the very start. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.280 I grew up in Wanda County, Kansas City, Kansas. I 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:44.160 was born to Josephine Quinn, who had three daughters. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.960 Nico, her older sister Liz, and their oldest sister Stacy. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.680 Stacey was beautiful. She was so beautiful. I used to 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.280 love her eyes. And all the people that I know 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.160 that knew her talks about how beautiful her spirit was, 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.960 how very respectful she was, because that's how we was raised. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.640 The Queen sisters were like best friends. 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.800 We used to have fun, used to act like we 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.360 was singers, acting like we like the brags and sisters 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:19.480 or stuff like that watching movies, you know, mocking the 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.000 stuff that's in the movies. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.760 But they were regular sisters who would pick her and 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.200 wind each other up too. 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.160 Stacey used to be so honor I remember when we 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.800 was little. Mamma used to be like, we said, Mama, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.600 can we ask some cookies or whatever? She say, clean 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.760 up and y'all can get them hub. She was like, Stacey, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.720 get them kids a few of them cookies. She goes 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.480 eh when she lick every cooky and didn't give it 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:50.439 to us. She was honory, but she used to protect us. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.360 Nico needed a protective presence in her life because her 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:02.800 family was fractured. The father hadn't stuck around, and Josephine 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.240 had a lifelong battle with mental health issues. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.240 My mother was in and out of the psychiatric hospital, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:14.840 mental facilities all my life. She got paranoid schizophrenic. She'd 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.719 be okay for a couple of months or maybe a 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:21.079 few years, and then she'd go back into the mental hospitals. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.960 But then we end up moving to a home with 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:27.480 my grandmother, grandfather, auntie, uncles, cousins, so probably about fifty 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:31.080 of us in a six bedroom house. Nico. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.160 Was surrounded by family, but it didn't always feel like 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:34.959 a loving home. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.720 I lived in nothing but chaos all my life as 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.319 a kid. I see my uncle's fighting. The police was 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.120 in and out of my grandmother's house, I almost say 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:51.240 every other weekend. My grandfather was an active alcoholic. We 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.480 was taught to be tough, have tough skin. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.240 Their grandparents tried their best, but they failed to fully 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.640 protect the queens sisters. One of their relatives, a man 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.480 who was supposed to take the girls to school, took 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:07.400 advantage of them. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.280 My mom would have my uncle take us to school, 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.360 and he would take us back to the house and 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:18.760 would rape us before we would go to school. When 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.680 it started, Stacy was eight, Liz was six, and I 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:22.199 was four. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.720 They were just kids, but Stacy stepped in to try 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.920 and shield her younger sisters from the worst of it. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.520 She would put herself in horms away so he wouldn't 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:37.400 get us. She was a big sister. She was a protector, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:43.079 especially me because I was the baby. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.319 The Quinn's sisters went through a lot together, but they 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.240 still had dreams. Stacey wanted to dedicate her life to 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:51.600 taking care of people. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.160 She was going to school to be a nurse. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.640 In the mid nineteen eighties, Stacy, who was around sixteen 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.800 years old, was doing a clinical placement at a local 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.440 health center. She finished late some nights and usually got 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.320 a ride home from one of her other relatives, but 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.280 if they couldn't pick her up, she would make her 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:11.040 own way back. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.640 She was walking home one night because my grandfather had 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.120 got drunk and my uncle didn't pick whatever was they 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.320 she didn't get picked up from her clinicals. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.319 When Stacy walked through the door, she looked shaken. Her 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.400 sisters immediately asked her what had happened. After a moment, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.960 she burst into tears. Stacy told them about the police 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.760 officer she'd seen on her way home, a white man 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:41.600 with brown hair, pushy eyebrows in a thick mustache. It 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.040 was dark out, so he offered her a ride home. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.600 Being a kid who had no reason to distrust the police, 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.360 Stacy had accepted the offer. When she got into his 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:58.160 police car, his friendly demeanor faded. The officer forced himself 0:11:58.200 --> 0:11:58.600 on her. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.480 She got raped and came in and told us and 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:03.680 was holding her crime. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.600 Stacy was their older sister, their protector. It was painful 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.040 to see her so broken. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.200 And we would telling her to tell and she was 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.839 like she couldn't because of the threats. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:25.000 That he made. Nico didn't know what the police officer 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.640 had threatened to do to her sister if she reported him, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.880 but she was beginning to discover how much power and 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:44.400 influence the police wielded over her community. Nico came of 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.200 age in the eighties, and as she grew up, she 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.720 began to notice the ways her neighborhood was changing. There 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:57.280 were patrol cars all around them, regular house raids across Guendero, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.920 and rumors of friends and relatives was getting locked up 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.480 by the police in record time. Because in the eighties, 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:10.960 Kansas City, Kansas was hurtling into a devastating crisis. Nico 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.880 can still remember the moment it hit her neighborhood. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.280 They had this big old community meeting up on Fifth 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.880 Street at the Jack reard In Center. Our grandparents and 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.600 parents used to go to these things, I mean where 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.640 their packed houses standing room only. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.840 Her grandmother came home from the community meeting with a 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.320 handful of pamphlets. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.360 And I'll never forget the one that said, Hi, my 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.040 name is crack Cocaine. It said, I'll make a preacher 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.440 forget how to preach, a teacher forget how to teach, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.679 a beauty queen forget her looks, a schoolgirl forget her books. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.280 The beauty queen forgetting her looks, and the schoolgirl forgetting 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.880 her books. Nico realized that is what was happening in 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.160 real time to her sister. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.360 Stacey started experimenting with drugs. I know, she used to 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.880 smoke and then she went to crack and that was 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.120 her way of escaping. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.800 Because Gulupski hadn't just assaulted her once and moved on. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.520 He tormented her all the way through her adolescence into adulthood, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.400 Stacy's life began to spiral. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.520 I noticed that a lot of people that have talked 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:32.480 to that start using drugs from childhood trauma, are things 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.640 in their life that they don't understand and know how 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.480 to deal with. A lot of women end up on 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.800 the streets on drug prostitution. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.480 And that's what happened to Stacy. She got addicted to 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.040 drugs and became a sex worker to earn the money 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.680 she needed to pay for them. It was dangerous work 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.320 that led her to spend long nights walking up and 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.680 down shady streets interacting with ceed men, one of whom 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:05.160 was a constant presence Detective Roger Glupski. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.440 I got you, I got you, I got you. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.480 It's the nineties in Guendero, a neighborhood on the northeast 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:30.280 side of Kansas City. By day, it's a normal, slightly 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:35.200 chaotic neighborhood filled with families and ordinary people living their lives. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.840 But at night it can become a pretty eerie place. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:48.200 Men selling drugs, women selling sex, sketchy individuals who linger 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:53.640 around street corners buying both. It's an area officer Max 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.360 Zeifert knows well, and he recently heard that one of 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:03.120 his fellow officers, Detective Glupski, had been seen hanging around 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:04.960 in the area while off duty. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.400 Rumors were going around. You know that he was spending 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.560 a lot of time up in the northeast part of town, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.000 which is a high crime area. 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.880 People were seeing him hanging out there off duty, not 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:19.640 in his official role as a cop. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.920 I received a phone call from the informant of mine. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.040 He's very animated in Basically, what he was saying was 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.560 that Gallupski was at their patronize and prostitutes. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.080 It turned out that the northeast side of the city 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.160 wasn't just the area Galupski had been assigned to the CD. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.440 Streets in the dark back roads had become his hunting ground. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.520 Kadija and I wanted to find out how Gallupski had 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.000 gotten started, what had shaped and enabled him to become 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.360 the kind of police officer who abused his authority and 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.840 harmed the people he had been trained to protect. We 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.400 wanted to see if we could find any clues, so 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.280 we went all the way back to the k c 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:05.760 KPD's graduating class of nineteen seventy five, and. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.600 They definitely was on a budget because these uniforms look 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:09.080 out of. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.720 The public servants they are. 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.320 But Kadishi and I found a photo of some of 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.240 the officers that joined the police force that year much more. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.879 They looked younger than we thought they would. Some of 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.479 them even had baby faces. But we could tell they 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.359 were police officers from the light blue uniforms. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.120 They look like Jill House uniform. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:36.640 They dodge, they really do. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:37.840 I mean just very. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:44.040 Yeah, very baggy blue shirts they've got. But ill fitting 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:48.440 uniforms weren't our main concern. It was the people wearing them, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.879 in particular. A man on the second row from the top, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:58.280 so Glupski is I mean, he looks creepy. I mean 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.760 he does look creepy, but he also looks like just 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.760 kind of the guy you just walk past the grocery store, 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.760 you know, just average build, a little bit on the 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:13.480 pudgy side, wide pie face with you know, big old seventies. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.640 Eight, I tell you, in this picture he has the largest, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.240 stickiest mustache. He looked like a gangster cop. To me, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.679 he's not very happy I'm a people reader because his 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.399 lips is supporting the upside down frown. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.840 He just seems very unassuming. I mean, yeah, he might seem. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.679 He looks like the person who would cut up the 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.119 cat and put it in his freeze. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.399 He does look hard, but he looks like somebody who 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.280 would get away with it for so long because you would, just. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:41.040 You would. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.520 That's all to say that. Back then, Roger Gulupski looked 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.840 like a young, pretty unassuming new recruit. Another one of 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.040 the officers in that photo is Max Seifert, a retired 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.560 detective who graduated alongside Gallupski and worked with him during 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.920 his time in the Crimes against Persons unit. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:06.040 The Crimes Against Person's Union handled assaults, aggravated battery, rapes, 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:11.200 child abuse. He wasn't a person that would share things 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.920 or talk about things, you know. He was always kind 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:15.879 of a quiet person. Now he was very close and 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:17.159 kept things close to him. 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.560 Glupski quickly rose up the ranks because he gained a 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.720 reputation for clearing up crimes in record time. He was 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.320 given a private office, the kind of space where he 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:32.160 could hold sensitive meetings and make confidential calls. But according 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.560 to one of Max's colleagues, Gulupski took advantage of the 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.360 privacy his office gave him to abuse his position. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.280 A detective that was serving in his unit one day 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.200 went to his office and what happened was the detective 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.879 sees the doors shut and he just opens it and 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:51.880 walks in. He didn't knock or anything. He walks in 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.480 and he catches Glupski involved in a sexual compromising situation 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.280 with a black female in his office. 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.439 According to Max, the detective immediately shut the door and 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.960 walked away, taking in what he had just seen. A 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.520 high level policeman having sex in the workplace. Max says 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.480 someone reported it to their supervisor. 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.000 Nothing was known about it. 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.560 Even when it was allegedly reported to a division commander. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.879 Instead of saying, hey, you know this is outrageous. You know, 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.000 we're not going to tolerate this. You can't do this 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.720 bring a discredit to the department, he said, don't you 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.760 people have locks on your doors? Sexual miss condec was 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.000 something the you know that just wasn't considered to be 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.520 a bad thing. You know, Roger just being Roger. That's 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:37.879 kind of like a boy's will be boys. 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.639 We reached out to the division commander Max is referring to, 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.359 and his response was, this is an old rumor spread 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.080 around the police department that was followed up on years ago. 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:54.040 Had it occurred, an investigation would have resulted. Max says 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.920 some officers in the police department knew about Glupski's misconduct. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.639 Others even witnessed his behavior in the office and on 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:07.000 the streets, but he wasn't stopped. Gulupski kept his position 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.199 of power and continued to target women like Nico Quinn's 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:14.879 older sister Stacy. He would give her drugs to encourage 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.320 her dependence and then force her into having sex with him. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.960 He would arrest her for prostitution and put her in 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.040 jail drugs or whatever, and she would like she didn't 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:26.800 understand because he was the one bringing to her. 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.200 It was a vicious cycle that was not only destroying 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.840 her life, but affecting the people who loved and dependent 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:41.200 on her too, because Stacy was a mother. In her 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.320 teenage years, Stacey had given birth to her only son, 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.480 a boy named Joranelle, and in spite of everything, she 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:50.960 spent the eighties and nineties trying to be a good 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:52.320 mom My. 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.760 Mama was really outgoing. You know, when music come on, 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.160 she had to be saying it. Dance out that, well, 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.199 you used to dance. She used to connect with me 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.399 on that, like different songs that I used to listen to. 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:11.160 There's one song they both loved, the early nineties classic 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:15.679 jump by Chris Cross. Remember it, Jump Jump, Chris Cross 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:16.159 will make you. 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.560 She turned the music all the way up, and she 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.000 turned a little light on and she clashed music and 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:27.800 we just started dancing. Just she'll robing. She was on 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:29.800 my level and the hype me up, you know, and 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:32.119 made me feel better. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.959 Stacy would take Joannelle to the park and show him 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.520 her backbends. She spent hours teaching him how to play 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:43.040 chess and making sure he felt loved. But as Joanelle 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.240 got older, he began to notice his mother's issues. 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.439 I knew exactly what was going on, but I didn't 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.960 know like was that normal or not? 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:54.800 You feel me? 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.960 When I got older, I realized it gets bad like that. 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:04.920 Stacy's addiction, trauma, and mental health issues made it hard 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.680 for her to be a present and stable parent, so 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.240 his family arranged for Janelle to move out and be 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.040 taken care of by their relatives. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.159 I always thought about her just like she thought about me, 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.919 because it don't matter what you know. My mama is 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.359 a mama. It wasn't a day she hadn't seen me. 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.880 Let me know she's doing good, Get me kisses. 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.400 While Stacey could no longer look after her family, the way. 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:27.800 She used to. 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:33.960 She still had a protective streak, which brings us back 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:39.000 to where the story started the spring of nineteen ninety four, 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:45.199 when tragedy hit Guendero and Stacy and Nico's cousins Danielle 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:50.720 and Donnie were murdered. When Stacey saw her younger sister, Nico, 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:55.119 being drawn into detective Glupski's orbit during the murder investigation, 0:23:55.640 --> 0:24:04.280 her protective older sister instincts kicked in. Nico remembers the 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.800 moment when she and Gallupski ended up in the room 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.399 together around the time of Lamon's trial. 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:12.720 We've sitt in this little room and man Galuski was 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.560 in his room. That's when he started hitting on me. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.760 Or I heard you dance, or I heard you used 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:20.800 to be a dancer. Once you get on the table 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.760 and let me watch you dance, I'll pay you. I'll this. 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.879 At this time, my sister walked in and she looks 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.000 at him, and she looks at me. He had the 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:33.800 little grid on his face. So she pushed me, pulled 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.200 me back and put her hand in his face and said, 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.520 this one right here, you're gonna leave alone. You ain't 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.120 gonna touch this one. You ain't gonna get this one. 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.360 Stacey turned away from Gallupski and looked at Nico, her 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.400 face serious, and she. 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:53.879 Said, don't ever mess with this dude. This dude is 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:58.480 the devil. He's a snake, he's dangerous, He'll hurt you. 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.480 Glupski had ruined Stacy Quinn's life, corr s Nico into 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:08.080 a false testimony, and sent an innocent man to prison 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:13.200 for murder. But as we were about to discover, Gulupski 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.240 had even more power over their city than the Quinn 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:22.600 family could have possibly imagined. We knew he assaulted women 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.560 and abused his power. But there was another mystery at 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:30.440 the heart of the story, and the Quinn sisters were 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.440