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Happy Wednesday, everybody. 27 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: Hope all of you guys are having an incredible week. 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: I have a very special guest coming on the show today, 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: someone that, especially early on when I really wanted to 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: get into this industry, someone that I looked up to, 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: someone that I respected a great deal, and most importantly, 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: one of the smartest basketball minds that I know, someone 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: that I lean on a lot when I'm picking people's 34 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: brains around the NBA. Mister Sam's Fondiari, co host of 35 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: the Light Years podcast, covers the Warriors. Him and Andy 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: do an amazing job covering the Warriors on a daily basis. 37 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 2: We're gonna have him in today to break down everything 38 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: from this incredibly bizarre first third of the season. So, Sam, 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: this is where I want to start today. So last night, 40 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: obviously the story was the young guys. Tray Jackson Davis, 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: Jonathanmane got thought, Moses mood he played really well. Pozamski 42 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: before he got hurt, was playing really well as well. 43 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: And we can look in the bigger picture and see 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: some clear data that demonstrates that's the direction that the 45 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: Warriors have needed to go for a while. If we 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: look at, according to Cleaning the Glass, the best plus 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: minus guys on the Warriors Trayce Jackson Davis, the Warriors 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: are twenty two points better with him, Pozamski nine points better, 49 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: CP three eight points better, Gary Payton six points better, 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: another young athlete, Jonathan Kamen, six points better, and then 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: the bottom four guys are Wiggins minus seventeen, Looney minus ten, 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: Draymond minus nine, and Clay minus four. So it's been 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: one of those things where it's obvious that the young 54 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: guys are the direction that Steve Kerni needs to go 55 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: within the context of the regular season. That said, Sam, 56 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: you've been covering a dynasty. You know firmly what it 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: takes to succeed in the NBA. 58 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Playoffs. 59 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: How much of this do you think is just a 60 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: regular season solution versus guys that you think can hold 61 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: down a spot in a playoff rotation. 62 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: I think it's probably a mix of both. You are 63 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: correct and saying like, if you're looking to count on 64 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys under the age of twenty three 65 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, typically that doesn't work. You can usually 66 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: get away with one or two in your rotation. But 67 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the Warriors right now, 68 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: they should be starting three guys on rookie deals. They 69 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: should be starting Tray Jackson Davis, they are starting Kuminga, 70 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: and they are starting Pajemski, And just realistically speaking, that's 71 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: that would be unprecedented to make a deep playoff run. 72 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: With that, you kind of nailed it. The most interesting 73 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: part of the Warriors struggles in the early part of 74 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: the season. And I think we have enough sample size, 75 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: like we're a third of the way through the season 76 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: to say it it's not actually the older guys. It's 77 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: not Chris Paul like he's been steady in a backup 78 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: point guard role. He is who he is. But it's 79 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: been generally positive play. It hasn't even been Clay, who's 80 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: kind of come alive the last month. It's been the 81 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: two guys who you would assume would be the most 82 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: consistent contributors, the two guys who are twenty seven to 83 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, theoretically in their prime, the guys 84 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: that they were thinking they could lean on, Wiggins and Looney, 85 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know what to make of either of them, 86 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: Like why they're struggling so much. It's confounding, Like Steve 87 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: Kurrz given them a lot of rope. There have been 88 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: calls to change the lineup well before the last four games, 89 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: and I get it. You need Wiggins to play well. 90 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: You're not going to just bend him in mid November 91 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: because he can't hit a shot, but you know we're 92 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: approaching Christmas. And even after he had a really good 93 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: game coming off of the bench, just a no show 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: against Boston, a team he tormented less than a year 95 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: and a half ago in the finals, and a matchup 96 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: that's generally favorable to him. So like, I don't really 97 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: know what to say. All I know is like he's 98 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: playing really bad, and Looney you can throw in the 99 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: mix there too. 100 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: I have an insane Andrew Wiggins stat for you. So 101 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: in twenty five games this year, and I believe last 102 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: night was one of them, Andrew Wiggins has logged nine 103 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: single digit scoring games in one hundred and ninety three 104 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: Warriors games. Over the previous four years, he had nine 105 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: total single digit scoring games. 106 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that matches, That matches the eye test. 107 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: It's like it's not one particular thing that he's doing. 108 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: He's obviously not shooting the ball. Well, you just don't 109 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: feel him out there in anyway in like I don't 110 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: know seventy five percent of the game. So I'll have 111 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: a random game where you're like, that's the Wiggins. I remember, 112 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: that's the guy who was so instrumental in the twenty 113 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: twenty two playoffs. But most games are more like last 114 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: night against Boston. Can't hit a shot, floats in and 115 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: out of the game, and I honestly think the shot 116 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: probably has a psychological effect on it, Like when he 117 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: doesn't see it going in, then he starts missing layups, 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: which is even more bizarre. Then he starts floating on defense, 119 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: and it's just one of those things where it's like 120 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: it's it's not logical. It's like it's not like he's 121 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: a malcontent or he's not trying. It's just bad. 122 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mentally, I think a big part of it is 123 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: the fact that his shot is not falling is starting 124 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: to manifest in other areas of his game. Like this 125 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 2: is a guy that during the championship run I thought 126 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: was firmly one of the top four or five best 127 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: perimeter defenders in basketball, like without a doubt, like this 128 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 2: dude is the first guy I've ever seen in a 129 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: playoff series. 130 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: Legit make Luca uncomfortable. 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: Like like that that's a huge claim to fame in 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: that specific case. And like it's not just the athletic 133 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: engagement that fades, it also starts to affect his decision making. 134 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: Like you see last night, it's like he smokes that 135 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: wide open layup on the right side of the rim 136 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: to start, and then it's like a couple possessions later, 137 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: he just early in the clock takes a pull up 138 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: fifteen foot or that's contested and you're like ugh, like 139 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: that's that's not the kind of shot that's going to 140 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: get you out of a slump. And you know that's 141 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: the thing is like a lot of times when it 142 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: comes to to these types of struggles. The best thing 143 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: you can do is be more focused and be more 144 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: deliberate about doing your job. And it almost seems like 145 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: as his offense is fading, he's just going further off 146 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: the reservation in the sense that he's losing his focus. 147 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: And you know that's the concerning part, because you know, 148 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of Warriors fans are like, oh, 149 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: they need to change the starting line they need to 150 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: change the starting lineup, and we all agree that that's 151 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: the direction they needed to go. But from curse perspective, 152 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: it's always more complicated than that. And you know, coaches 153 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: are supposed to be more measured, They're supposed to be 154 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: able to kind of withstand some of the up and 155 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: down nature of the emotions of an NBA season and 156 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: games as well. And like, I'm kind of okay with 157 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: him being late to that party rather than early to 158 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: that party. And to his credit, he made the shift. 159 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: And Jonathan Kamina I saw you posted this morning the 160 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: numbers the difference between Jonathan Kaminga and how well he 161 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: plays when he's with the starters versus when he comes 162 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: off the bench. So let me ask you this, do 163 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: you think that Andrew Wiggins off the bench. Is going 164 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: to send him further down that path or do you 165 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: think this is going to kind of motivate him to 166 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: be more engaged and to try to work his way 167 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: back into that lineup. 168 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: It's hard to say, because if we record this pod 169 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: before the Boston game, I'd say, oh, see, it worked. 170 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: He was against Portland, probably his best all round game 171 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: of the Sea. You just felt him. He hit his shots, 172 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: you felt him defensively, you felt him rebounding the ball. 173 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: It looked like the best version of Wiggins. And after 174 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: I watched a him, I was like, Oh, it's only 175 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: a matter of time before Steve puts him back in 176 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: the starting lineup. Stroke of genius, blah blah blah. And 177 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: then he just comes out and does this the next game. 178 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know, but I don't think they have 179 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: a choice because you read those splits the plus minuses 180 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show, Clay has great splits 181 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: and Steph has great splits. Since they took Wiggins out 182 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: of the starting lineup, like it was pretty much all 183 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: Wiggins tearing them down, And if you go into like 184 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: the plus minus data from earlier in the season, this 185 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: was true too. It's too easy to say, like he's 186 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: the you know, the only problem with the team they have. 187 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: They have issues all over the place. But like it's 188 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: hard to argue that, like it's not happening. Every time 189 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: he was inserting the lineup, they were playing playing worse. 190 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: He can't. He wasn't hitting shots, he wasn't really defending. 191 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: There's no impact there. 192 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: Clay's actually a great exam of He's going through the 193 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: same thing Andrew Wiggins is in a lot of ways, 194 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: except for his approach is like he's just more focused. 195 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: You can tell his shot selection is improved over the 196 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: last few games. Just in general, he's approaching it like 197 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: I'm just going to find a way to do as 198 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: much as I can to help winning, and the shots 199 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: will fall, you know what I mean. And that's the 200 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 2: thing is like he missed a bunch of clean looks 201 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: in ot but over the course of most of the 202 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: second half, I thought he just played a really smart game, 203 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: taking the right shots. He generated a lot of open 204 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: role opportunities for Trace Jackson Davis. I thought it was 205 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: a great Klay Thompson stretch here over the course the 206 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. 207 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: So Steve Kirk, I was gonna say, to the Clay point, 208 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: they've been playing faster part of their slow start, or 209 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: really just terrible November, if you want to, if you 210 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: want to kind of really hone in on it was 211 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: they were like one of the bottom teams in pace, 212 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: which is just the opposite which you associate the Warriors. 213 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: But some of that was the Draymond suspension, trying to 214 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: figure out how to use Chris Paul. He's a naturally 215 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: more methodical player, but Clay was the one who I 216 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: think it affected the most because you know, he's a 217 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: movement shooter. He moves off of screens. He's not a 218 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: half court player. He's not a you know, dribble dribble, dribble, 219 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: get my shot guy. Like, if he does that, he 220 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: tends to be inefficient. And since they made the lineup 221 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: change and everything, they look more like the Warriors, just 222 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: in terms of style of play, pace and everything. And 223 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: if he's open, it's the numbers tend to be favorable 224 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: for him. 225 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know what's interesting too about the 226 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: starting lineup in particular, is like I do think that 227 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: a big part of what made the loony Draymond front 228 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: court no longer functional in the regular season is the 229 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: decline of Andrew Wiggins and the fact that Clay was 230 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: not playing as well as he had been. 231 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: It became to like. 232 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: Because what was happening is because we again we all 233 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: saw that same lineup just crush everybody the previous year 234 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: and literally win the title the year before. And again 235 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: that that doesn't mean just because it won't work against 236 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: the Lakers doesn't mean it shouldn't work against the vast 237 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: majority of the teams you play over the course of 238 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: the regular season. And I thought a big part of 239 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: it is like once the offensive shot creation kind of 240 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: dipped below that whatever that mandatory minimum was to be 241 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: able to make that work, it just it just stopped functioning. 242 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: And that's where it became a problem. 243 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: And to your point, yeah, I mean they were reliant 244 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: on three guys being forty percent three point shooters, two 245 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: of which being Stephan Clay were like two best of 246 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: all times. So yeah, if Wiggins is not hitting shot 247 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: and is a non shooter, then I mean, yeah, that's 248 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: three guys who are just non offensive threats, and of 249 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: course it doesn't work. 250 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 2: Right, And the misses have been ugly with Wiggins as 251 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 2: of late two. It's flat, it's long, it's not it. 252 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 2: It just looks like he's chucking shots up. At this point, 253 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: it seems a little bit like a lost cause. So 254 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: I wanted to talk a little bit big picture. So 255 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: sixteenth in offense, eighteenth in defense to this point, eighteenth 256 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: in net rating. They are three and one since they 257 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 2: changed the starting lineup. They've really struggled defensively in those games, 258 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: but obviously Draymond Green being out is going to play 259 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: a role there. They are thirteen and fourteen, one game 260 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: back of the ten. 261 00:12:59,800 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: See. 262 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: I do think it's important to mention, and this is 263 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: something I've been hammering on the entire year. Sham's reported 264 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: yesterday or two days ago that Draymond's going to be 265 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: out basically the rest of this week and then two 266 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: more weeks after that, and then potentially longer. 267 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: But let's just say through. 268 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: The next two and a half weeks for as a minimum. 269 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: If that was the case, he'd miss nine more games. 270 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: They play Washington and Portland, then they go to Denver, 271 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: Then they play Miami, Dallas, Orlando, Detroit, Toronto. All those 272 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 2: games are at home except for the Denver game. Again, 273 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: they played one of the toughest early schedules that you 274 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 2: saw around the league, and I would argue, even without Draymond, 275 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 2: it's more likely than not that they're above five hundred 276 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: in that stretch with all those games at home and 277 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: again some of these lesser teams. So like a lot 278 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: of this is actually shaped out, considering how horrific it looked, 279 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: and especially on the heels of this recent three game 280 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: winning streak, there's actually like a light at the end 281 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: of the tunnel here. I think Draymond could return to 282 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: the lineup and then be close to five hundred or 283 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: over five hundred. So my question for you is, do 284 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: you believe this team is worth investing in? 285 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: I do. I think if you were to look at 286 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: this team, they're about a five hundred team right now, 287 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen. They could easily be fifteen and twelve. 288 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: But whatever, they're a five hundred team you insert Draymon. 289 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: They're more or less the team they were last year. 290 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: To me, Wiggins has fallen off, but Kuminga has gotten better. 291 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: They're sitting in my mind as next second tier. They're 292 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: not a contender. They're one piece away. It feels like 293 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: in general, and you know what if you have one 294 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: of the handful of players who's capable of being the 295 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: best player in the title team, and Steph very much 296 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: still is capable of doing that, and you're, let's say, 297 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: one player away. I think you have to go for it. 298 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: I really do. Doesn't mean you make a trade just 299 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: for the sake of it, But if the right opportunity 300 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: comes up, like they really do feel one player, uh, 301 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: maybe he's a second or a third option, honestly, maybe 302 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: someone who just replaces the production that Wiggins gave you 303 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: two years ago, then I think they have a puncher's 304 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: chance against against the contenders, against the Denver, against the Lakers, 305 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: against whoever comes out of the East. So I think 306 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: they have to look at it that way. And that's why, 307 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: in my opinion, this stretch is really important, because if 308 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: they come out of it on the other side, you know, 309 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: sitting in that six to eight range in the playoffs, 310 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: really just being kind of in the mix, which is 311 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: even as the ten right now, just looking at the standings, 312 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: they are a whopping two games out of the sixth 313 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: seed or three games, like they're right, they're right, right, 314 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: It's not it's not that big deal, that big a deal. 315 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: As long as they stay in the mix. I think 316 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on management to do something. 317 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: If they obviously go into free fall losing at home 318 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: to Detroit and some of these games, well then they've 319 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: given management easy out to reset and not go for it. Yeah. 320 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: It's one of those things where I think when you 321 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: were looking at the Draymond suspension originally, and you were 322 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: looking at the schedule and you're like, man, Clippers, Nets 323 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: or Celtics are like, man, they could drop three of 324 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: these four and suddenly be three games out of the 325 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: plane and be staring down a you know, a three 326 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: week stretch without Draymond. It's crazy how just those three 327 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: wins kind of changes the perspective of everything, and in 328 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: a lot of ways, it kind of reminds me of 329 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: the Lakers last year, where it was like you just 330 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: got to get to February somehow, and like if they can, 331 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: if they can reconfigure, then you can make your run. 332 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: Now that's go ahead. Yeah, that's how that's That's kind 333 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: of how I felt about it the whole year. They 334 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: kind of do feel like last year's Lakers in the 335 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: sense of you have a giant expiring who doesn't really 336 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: fit your roster and Chris Paul. Although Chris Paul, to 337 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: be fair, has he's been I don't think you could 338 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: have asked more for this. You know, he's been a pro, 339 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: he's played that role well. He's just not what they 340 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: in general. And they have some assets. They have young guys. 341 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: All those young guys actually are playing well. And then 342 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: they do have some picks they can move. They don't 343 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: have all their picks, they have some. Yeah, to your point, 344 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of like the Lakers get you stay in 345 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: the mix and see what's available to deadline. Yeah, Like 346 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: it's actually. 347 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: Kind of interesting because I was talking about this on 348 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: my show last night, Like, you know, you look at 349 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: this lineup and they're like closing the game with Trace 350 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: Jackson Davis and Jonathan Kminga and and you look at 351 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: it and you go like, there's no way this is 352 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: what they're gonna roll out there in April. But like 353 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: it kind of reminds me of the Lakers stretch last 354 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: year where it's like there's these it's like when Anthony 355 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: Davis got hurt and it's like this weird Lebron Dennis Schroeder, 356 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook just driving kick party that they had for 357 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: like a month, and they just hovered around five hundred 358 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 2: to just give themselves a chance, you know what I mean, 359 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: And like that's kind of the way I look at it. 360 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: Like they're gonna be big underdogs against Denver, big underdogs 361 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: against probably Orlando, don't get me wrong, Like Dallas probably 362 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: will be a favorite as well against them. Like they're 363 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna drop some of these games just from 364 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: a simple talent standpoint. But if they can just like 365 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 2: hang in there and linger around five hundred. Now, the 366 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: question is because one of the things that I've talked 367 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: about is, like I actually view Jonathan Kaminga is one 368 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: of the most enticing young players around the league. And 369 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: so what becomes tricky is you've got this group of 370 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: young players Jonathan Kamingo, Moses Moody, Trace Jackson Davis, and 371 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 2: Brandon Pitzemski, and essentially, if you are going to try 372 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 2: you and I have talked about this on other platforms 373 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 2: in over text as well, this idea of like who 374 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: what archetype should the player should they target? And so 375 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: I want to kind of approach this from two fronts. 376 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: So let's start with the archetype what type of player 377 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: do you think rounds out a core five with Golden State, 378 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: That could be the group you go down with in 379 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals. 380 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: It's got to be a front court player, and it 381 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: needs to be a two way front court player. For 382 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: the most part, there's some leeway there. But like we 383 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: go back to the Draymon and Looney thing, doesn't work anymore. Okay, 384 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: they honestly got more mileage out of it than I 385 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: think anyone thought they could. But the reality is you 386 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: need to stagger those guys, and the way Loony's playing 387 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: like he might not be in the rotation of the playoffs. 388 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: I kind of think I'll come around in some capacity. 389 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: Mainly it's a different conversation they need. You can go 390 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: back and watch the Lakers series. If they had another 391 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: four or five, they beat the Lakers, but the Lakers 392 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: knew they had no one to put at that combo. 393 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: Made it easy for Anthony Davis to just wreak havoc 394 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: on them, and they just couldn't score enough. That's what 395 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: it comes down to. So I'm not saying it's easy 396 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: to find that guy, but like we've seen the names floated, 397 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam Lowry markin In potentially available at the deadline. 398 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: They're not perfect fits, but both of those guys would 399 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: significantly raise the ceiling of this team, and those are 400 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: the type of players they should be pursuing. 401 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because like last year, that was literally 402 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: what they were doing. It's like, let's try Gary Payton, 403 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: Let's try Jamichael Green. 404 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: They were just trying this movie. 405 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: It was like, who's gonna be this guy we can use? Yeah, 406 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: and there was always one flaw in one of those 407 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: players that made it just just not work. And it's 408 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: like there aren't enough Jamichael Green and pop threes that 409 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: he could make to justify all of the other elements 410 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: of the game, right, And you know, I Siakam is 411 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: the guy that I keep coming back to because that 412 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: one hundred percent agree Like Stephan Clay. I'm going down 413 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: with Stephan Clay. Like I'm sorry, I'm going down with 414 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 2: Stephan Clay. Whether or not it's Wiggins or Kaminga at 415 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: the three, that's that's a decision for another day, and 416 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about that here in just a second. 417 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 2: But to me, it's Draymond at the five, Stephan Clay 418 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: at the one, two, and then one of those athletic forwards, 419 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: and then another type of player in that archetype. And 420 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 2: that's why I keep coming back to Siakam because one 421 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: of the things that the Warriors have always been very 422 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: good at is like even when Steph Curry gets ends 423 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: up on switches, They're able to scram him out of 424 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: it or to or they'll try to hedge and recover 425 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: to keep him out of the switches, or even when 426 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: he gets on the switch, they provide excellent backside help 427 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: and give him a job that he can do pressing 428 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: up and like Clay Thompson holds up excellent on switches, 429 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: whoever that forward is, Wiggins or Kaminga would hold up 430 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 2: Draymond the pascal Siakam. That to me is where I 431 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: might exactly and I start to look at that group 432 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: of five as like, Okay, this is something where if 433 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: I'm Denver and I'm sitting game planning for the series, 434 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, what do we do about this? Like 435 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: this is gonna be somewhat of a problem. So but 436 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: here's where it gets complicated because that Wiggans Kaminga piece 437 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: there is going to be the challenge because if I'm Toronto. 438 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, sure, yeah, you can have Pascal, but Jonathan's coming, 439 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, that's what they're gonna say. 440 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: So out of the Jonathan Kaminga, Moses Moody, Trace Jackson, Davis, 441 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: Brandon Pazemski crew, who do you view in that crew 442 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: as like indispensable versus like I would be willing to 443 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: trade for an upgrade for a short window run with Steph. 444 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: Okay, this is gonna be fun. Brandon Pajemski is the 445 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: only one I really struggle to trade, just given the 446 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: fact that he's a twenty year old rookie and clearly 447 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: better than all the other players, even though he doesn't 448 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: play the position you want. He's a he's a combo guard. 449 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: He's got good size for a point guard, litle undersize 450 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: for it two. But you just watch him play, he 451 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: actually represents a potential building block for them in a 452 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: lot of different ways, the passing, the shooting, the defense. 453 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: He's like a weird hybrid of Jalen Brunson and Caruso 454 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: at times, very interesting player. I would it would hurt 455 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: to trade him, is where I'm at with it, And 456 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: would I would be tempted to say no, Kuminga would 457 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: be number two. I would be willing to part with 458 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: him if you got a Pascal Siakam or a lowry 459 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: market in because essentially they'd be taking his spot at 460 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: power forward in general. And the assumption would be if 461 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: you're making that trade, you're keeping said player. You're not 462 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: trading for a you know, when you're a three month 463 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: rental of Siakam and then letting him walk. So it 464 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: would hurt because at some point Kumingo will be a 465 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: better player than Siakam, but if you're thinking about the 466 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: next three years, he won't be. You know, he just 467 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: won't be. And then Moses Moody, he's a good player, 468 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: but he just he's just kind of always the odd 469 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: man out. He's I don't want to say he's a 470 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: placeable three and DP player because every team needs those guys, 471 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: but be willing to give him up if needed to 472 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: entice a team. I just don't know that he's enough 473 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: of a sweetener to pull off a deal. To your point, 474 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: anyone wanting to make a trade with the Warriors is 475 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: going to want future draft picks where they're betting against 476 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: the war You know, they're betting that Steph will eventually 477 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: get old and they don't have anything else, and then 478 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: they want Kuminga because he's the most obvious, Like I 479 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: could see this guy being like Jalen Brown level All 480 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: Star one day. I could see him being a guy 481 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: that you know, we can build around. Like he's not 482 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: going to be your first option. He's not going to 483 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: be Kawhi Leonard, which some people thought like there was 484 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: a chance he could be coming out of the draft, 485 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: But he is an effective two way wing and he 486 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: can never have too many of those. 487 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he has the highest potential out of 488 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: that group, but I also think he's very clearly the 489 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: guy that has the more bizarre basketball fit within the 490 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: Warriors system in terms of just like their five outread 491 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: and react stuff Like he, to me, is going to 492 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: be a very good player for a long time in 493 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: the NBA for somebody. And like some of this with 494 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: with fans like you gotta you almost gotta like understand uh, 495 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: because a lot of them will be like, we can't 496 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 2: afford to give up Kamingo. We can't afford to give 497 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: up Kamingo. That's like I totally get that. You don't 498 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: think the Clippers when they gave away shay Yo just 499 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: Alexander were like that dude's gonna go be amazing for Okay, 500 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: See they knew it, of course they did. They had 501 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: him in building for all those years. They saw his 502 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: work ethic, they saw what he was doing, you know. 503 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: And like like Ingram or or like Ingram for Anthony Damis, 504 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: Ingram was very clearly going to be a good player. 505 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: But you know, you kind of have to do that deal. 506 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: Right timeline and fit and like that's my thing is, 507 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: like it's really this simple. You mentioned Steph being at 508 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: that level still one hundred percent agree twenty eight points 509 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: per game, sixty five percent through shooting that When you 510 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: have that in house and you have the guy that 511 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: can stare Jason Tatum in the face and out execute 512 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 2: him down the stretch of a big game, When you 513 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 2: have a guy at that caliber, it's just such a 514 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: rare thing to have around the league. And every team 515 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: that wins the title, if you hoist the trophy, you 516 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: got one of those guys. It's like an extreme rarity 517 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: if you don't, right and even then it's like we're 518 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: looking at the Spurs with like Duncan, who used to 519 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: be that guy right, So, like you have to have 520 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: that guy that's the foundational piece, you also have the 521 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: means with which to put next to him a legitimate 522 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: number two like Pascal Siakam, which then all of a 523 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: sudden slots all these other guys into very achievable roles. 524 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: And so the way you have to look at it 525 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: is it's like, is Kaminga going to be better than 526 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: Pascal Siakim in two three years? 527 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: Probably? 528 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like probably, Like there's that's that's certainly something that 529 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 2: he can do. And I wouldn't be the least bit 530 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: surprised if. 531 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: That's some point he will one day Siakam will be 532 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: thirty four and he'll be twenty five. Math just tends 533 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: to work out in his favorite that exactly. 534 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: But you know, it's just a simple question of like, 535 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 2: like to Toronto, they're in a different timeline. They're thinking 536 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: Scottie Barnes, they're thinking, Okay, what if we add another small, 537 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: another big athletic forward next to Scotty Barnes. We'll see 538 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: what he's got. Let's see what if there's a fit 539 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: there Siakam. We might have to extend on this long 540 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: term deal may not fit the timeline as well, or 541 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: you're the Golden State and it's like Jonathan Comica can 542 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: be really good, but Steph's thirty five, Clay is starting 543 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: to see some signs of slowing down. We gotta do 544 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 2: something here to try to reconfigure this thing. It's it's 545 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: just a no brainer that, like you might have to 546 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: consider a swap or you get rid of one of 547 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: those guys. To the fit point, Pozemski, I one hundred 548 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: percent agree with you, because, like I look at him 549 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: as a guy that's like such an obvious natural fit 550 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 2: in the Warriors system. You mentioned his strength, it's an 551 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: important piece, Like he's just if. 552 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: He's gonna actually be that good of a point of 553 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: attack defender, which like he's blowing me away as a rookie. 554 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you want him guarding Jamal Murray or 555 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: someone in a playoff series per se, But like, if 556 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: he's this good, now, imagine what he could be in 557 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: a year's time. That also allows you to slot Clay 558 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: at small forwards significantly easier where he's he's kind of 559 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: better guarding strength and quickness anyway at this stage of 560 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: his career. 561 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: So that slotting piece is the big one there. And 562 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: like that's where if you get a Siakam and like 563 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 2: let's say, let's say you do one of the other 564 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: things too, is like we have to factor in that 565 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: if you trade Jonathan Kaminga and you bring in Pascal Siakam, 566 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: that may very well end up freeing up rotation minutes 567 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: for Wiggins to have a larger berth for him to 568 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: try to figure things out. Because right now, like I 569 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: look at Siakim as a guy who could also lay 570 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: the same role that Sarich is playing on this team, 571 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 2: like as essentially an anchor front court player for their 572 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: bench units too. And like in general, when you start 573 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: to build lineups, you can keep a Poziemski in point 574 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: of attack roles that are achievable for him with his 575 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: level of athleticism. I'm one hundred percent with you on 576 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: that one. And again, Moody, Like, Moody's obviously one of 577 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: the more expendable appearing players in that group. It's just 578 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: to your point, he's not a sweetener. There's no team 579 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: around the league that's like, man, I need Moses Moody 580 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: on my roster. They're like, oh, yeah, if we took 581 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: him in a deal, we'd be happy. 582 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 1: With you men. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. You're be hoping 583 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: maybe if you throw him in you don't have to 584 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: include an extra pick, right, so then you're not as 585 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: worried about when everyone gets old or something to that effect. Yeah, 586 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the more you talk through it, like it's obvious. 587 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: The other thing Siakam has working do is benefit as 588 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: he's twenty nine. So really, if you feel confident for 589 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: the next three years he can be productive for you, 590 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: that's probably the max amount of time you're going to 591 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: get out of Steph and Clay. I mean, Steph could 592 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: just continue to defy the odds, but you kind of 593 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: have to take these in like two to three year 594 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: increments at this stage, right makes sense. He's younger, he 595 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: can carry more of a load for you and help 596 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: you preserve Steph because end of the day, when you 597 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: get to like serious playoff basketball, you're gonna need like 598 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: the best version of Steph to show off. Well. 599 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: One of the things that Siakam brings to the table too, 600 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: that the Warriors never really had is he brings a 601 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: guy that you can start using for an alternative method 602 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: of offensive attack. So what I mean by that is, like, 603 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: you know, Wiggins was a guy that teams would live 604 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: with attacking matchups and he'd get his eighteen to twenty 605 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: two in that, but it wasn't something that they could 606 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: like really depend on in late game situations. Now, imagine 607 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: a situation where has to be guarded by a bigger 608 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: forward and Steph is guarded by a quicker point of 609 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: attack defender, and you now open up a two man 610 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: game there where you can now you know, throw the 611 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: ball down to the block to Pascal Siakam, and he's 612 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: been one of the most effective post players in the 613 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: league this year. Attacking matchups. It gives you just a 614 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: different look because again you mentioned the Lakers series that 615 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: was a big part of it. It wasn't just the 616 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: fact that they didn't have five man groupings that could 617 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: thrive around Stephan pick and roll. It was also that 618 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: it just had to be Steph pick and roll every time. 619 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: They just they didn't have another action they could run 620 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: that could defend dependably generate quality shots. And so to me, 621 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: like Siakam is that guy to where like I think, 622 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: I think the Warriors might value him a little higher 623 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: than some of the other teams out there who might 624 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: be targeting bigger fish, like a Lori Markinen, like a 625 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: og Ananobe. I think as someone that some teams will 626 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: probably view as a better player than Sakam. So like Siakam, 627 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: I think is an achievable goal as well, and I 628 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: think that goes a long way towards like making it. 629 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: Point what one of the warriors other big issues is 630 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: shot creation. It's kind of the you know, they move 631 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: the ball, they get a lot of mileage out of 632 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: guys who can't create their own shot. Uh and and 633 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: then you know it inevitably turns into Steph save us offense. 634 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: It would be nice to have another player who, to 635 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: your point, you can just you can throw the ball 636 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: to and just you know, let let him score on 637 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: the post, let him go one on one from the 638 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: mid post. The things we see him do with Toronto, Yeah, 639 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean he addresses a lot of their needs. Yeah, 640 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: he's a bad three point shooter. It'd be nice if 641 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: he could do that too. But if he was a 642 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: if he did all the things he did and shot 643 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: forty percent from three, then you're talking about like Kevin 644 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: Durant White type of stuff, and you can't have it all. 645 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: I think all overall, more positive as than negatives. 646 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: Siakam's also having one of his better defensive seasons in 647 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 2: recent years, and he's like a legitimate weapon, a guy 648 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: that has tons of big game experience. 649 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: I think that's that's the part we didn't even really 650 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: talk about, Like he's a seem less fit to their defense. 651 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you can just plug him in. You 652 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: put him next to Draymond. Wiggins gets back to himself 653 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: as the small forward Clay that resembles kind of the 654 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: Dynasty Warriors teams with the switching and the versatility defensively 655 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: that they've gotten away from just by virtue of the 656 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: personnel they're playing right. 657 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: And again, I would just put Wiggins back into the 658 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: starting lineup if that happened, and I'd be like, I 659 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: know that with Steph Clay and Draymond, we're still gonna 660 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: win a lot of games. And if even if Wiggins 661 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: isn't playing well and just you're basically taking a bet 662 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: that he's going to get it together. At that point, 663 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: I have one last question exactly and then and then 664 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 2: trickle down into some other things. So I have one 665 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: last question for you before we get out of here. 666 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: So as you and I both know the just about 667 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: every fan base out there blames the coach anytime anything 668 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: goes wrong, and I think we all agree that Steve 669 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: Kerr has made some mistakes this season. I think I 670 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: think they are mistakes of you know, it's funny. I've 671 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: been watching I've been watching the show on TV called 672 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: for All Mankind, Like there's there's like these older astronauts 673 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: and like it spans over decades and like we're to 674 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: the future now and all the old astronauts are mad 675 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: at all the young people and they're all like kind 676 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: of you know, stuck in their ways, kind of get 677 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: off my lawn type of people. And I kind of 678 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: feel like that happens a little bit where you know, 679 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: you've got Steve Kerr and you've got Klay Thompson going, 680 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: like I believe in these guys to the end, and 681 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: you've got and it's just I do think that a 682 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: big part of this is like they're late to the party, 683 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: but they're getting to the party. And that's the kind 684 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: of thing that happens with some of these older guys 685 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: that have had a lot of success in the past. Now, 686 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: what we have been discussing is effectively a reconfiguration of 687 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: the Warriors, not just in not just in lineup construction, 688 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: but it also could fundamentally change. 689 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: The way they play. 690 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: If Pascal siakam comes in, I could see them doing 691 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: more switching defensively, I could see them I could see 692 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: them offensively running more heliocentric stuff where they do spam 693 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: a specific action like a two man game with Stefan Siakamoor. 694 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: It's a reconfiguration. So my question for you is do 695 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: you still believe in Steve Kerr as the guy to 696 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: lead this configuration of the Warriors or reconfiguration of the Warriors? 697 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: I should say yeah. I mean, look, no coaches without 698 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: their idiosyncrasies that annoy you, right, And part of the 699 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: struggles this season is like this roster really needs a 700 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: coach who's better at development, who's more trusting of young guys, 701 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: Like like the Okac games stick in my mind just 702 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: because they got beat by ched Ocri hitting game, tying 703 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: threes twice, Like what are the odds of that? Right? 704 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: But in both those games I would point to someone 705 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: like Mark Dagen. I was just making so many subtle 706 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: adjustments down the stretch, whereas Steve's very much I trust 707 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: my guys type of guy, and he doesn't have that 708 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: type of roster. So yeah, it's been frustrated watching. But 709 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: that said, if they make a move to add more veterans, 710 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: he is a veterans coach, He's got it done in 711 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: the playoffs a handful of times, can't say he hasn't, 712 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: and he has the buying of his superstar like unquestioned trust. 713 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: I think this is always left out of the conversation here, 714 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: and people are like, why does he run more pick 715 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: and roll? It's like you think you think Steph's asking 716 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: him for pick and roll and he's like no, it's 717 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: like he's it's Steph can do whatever he wants. Steph 718 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: can launch it from his own free throw line, and 719 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: Steve won't do anything about it. You know. It's like 720 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: he's got his unquestioned trust, and I think that's an 721 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: underrated quality. So yeah, I mean, look, he's a four 722 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: time coach. You're not gonna fire him midseason. 723 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: Well, not to mention this, the simple fact that like, 724 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: don't underestimate too just as a competitor, what a trade, 725 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: like a trade for Siakam could do to re engage 726 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: him from that standpoint, and I think I still think 727 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 2: Steve Kerr is one of the top tier coaches in 728 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: the league overall. And I think that like to me, 729 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: you put it perfectly like he's a veteran's coach. So, 730 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: you know, we mentioned that nine game stretch. Let's say 731 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 2: it goes south. Like let's say they just have a 732 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: really Portland's playing pretty well. Let's say they lose to 733 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: Portland somehow, and then they go to Denver and they lose. 734 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: Miami beats the Dallas beats them, Orlando beats them, and 735 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: suddenly we come back to like a three and six 736 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: stretch and they're, you know, four games out of the 737 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: ten seed, and it just looks really really bleak, and 738 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 2: and it just like and they decide to go another direction, 739 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: meaning like instead of you know, they start to keep 740 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: young guys and acquire more young talent, get rid of 741 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 2: some of the veterans. 742 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: They go that way. 743 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be worth because one hundred percent agree 744 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: with you. Like Steve Kurr is a doghouse coach. He's 745 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: he's a guy that he's so obsessed with winning that 746 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 2: particular game that like he means so quick to go 747 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 2: away from the young guys. 748 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: And he's so he's so veteran heavy Like the game 749 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: that will stick into my mind is the in season 750 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: tournament game where Sack came back twenty eight on. That 751 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: was eighty twenty plus and the only player who was 752 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: feeling it was Moses Moody And what does he do 753 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: subs him out to allow Sacramento come all. Those are 754 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: like the type of things where I'm like, you know, 755 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: maybe it's time for a new voice. Those are the 756 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: type of little things. But to your point, if they're 757 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: going to lean more into the veterans and just say, 758 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, we like the kids, but we don't love them. 759 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: We don't need all of them here. We need to 760 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: be consumed with this season, next season and what happens 761 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: after that happens after that. Like you're not going to 762 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: do better than Steve Kerr, but that adds that type 763 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: of coach. 764 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: Yep, No, I one hundred percent agree. And again like 765 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: I just think I think you lean on you lean 766 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: into what your specific strength is, Like your strength in 767 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: that case would be experience and continuity mixed with a 768 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: new influx of talent with Siakam, I don't think you 769 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 2: mess with that by changing the coach. Well, Sam, I 770 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,959 Speaker 2: sincerely appreciate you taking the time to come hang out today. 771 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: Is there anything you want to plug before we get 772 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 2: out of here? 773 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: Just if you want Warriors content, check out light Years pod. 774 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: We go live after basically every Warriors game feed stays 775 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: updated and I appreciate it. I was thinking about it. 776 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: We picked the perfect time to do it. Were kind 777 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: of texting like when should we do this? And we'd 778 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: have got a completely different show if we did this 779 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: a week ago after the Clipper game when Draymond's like, 780 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: who knows what's going on? It's just it's funny how 781 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: that works. But it's a long season, right, Well. 782 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 2: Dude, what it was when it was bad shot, run out, 783 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 2: Celtics lay up, bad shot, run out Celtics layup, Like 784 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: there was there's a version of today's show that could 785 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 2: have swung just based on what happened. 786 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: The game stopped in the third quarter. Literally, yeah, exactly. 787 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: All right, guys, babe did the Celtics a favor? Not 788 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: talking about that? Oh god, oh god? 789 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, Andy and Sam do an incredible job covering 790 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 2: the Warriors on a daily basis. I highly encourage you 791 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 2: guys to check it out. Sam, again, thanks for coming 792 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 2: to hang out as always. I appreciate all of you 793 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 2: guys for supporting the show. We'll be back with a 794 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: couple of film sessions on Thursday and Friday before we 795 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 2: head into the weekend. I'll see you guys tomorrow. 796 00:37:48,920 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: The volume