WEBVTT - LAUGHTER'S POWER 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:05.520 The best medicine, the cheapest therapy, the shortest distance between 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:10.040 two people, the most reliable gauge of human nature, a 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:14.960 force for democracy. What has earned all those labels and 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:19.280 many more from some of the deepest thinkers in history? Laughter? 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.560 Of course? What else connects as better and faster than 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.840 a good laugh. I love the line from Ricky Gervais, 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.640 if you can laugh in the face of adversity your bulletproof. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.440 How do we need that now? Laughter is the topic 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.640 for my two guests, both extremely smart, both inspiring for 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:41.720 different reasons. Both former college football players. Gary Goldman X 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:48.519 Boston College Eagle, creates laughter for a living. So what's 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.280 what's funny? What's funny to me is that you remember 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.480 your first laugh, because I do too, and I think 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.520 that's I think that's significant because we we everybody talks 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.000 about how they remember when they had their first kiss, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.959 when they they got their first girlfriend, or or sex, 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.640 of course their wedding, But the first laugh is is 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.080 not something that I mean, it's only a matter of 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:20.680 time before there's a podcast discussing my first laugh. Dr 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.360 Myron Roll, former f s U Seminole, explains what laughter 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.480 does to our brains and why it feels so good. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.760 And also facial expression, as you had mentioned earlier, this 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.240 is also controlled from the brains them in that central 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.679 processing area. So a lot of times when people laugh, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.080 they just have people say they face lights up as 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.000 the muscles of their face just starts to sort of 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.319 open up and eyes wide and and things like that. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.200 Myron is also going to share how laughter has helped 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.520 him adapt on the football field and the front lines 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:55.160 of the COVID nineteen fight. I first guest is Gary Goldman. Brilliant, hilarious, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.520 one of my favorite comedians. He's been on every major 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.960 late night show that a bunch of special. Gary is 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.840 also a symbol of hope for those struggling with depression 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.360 and anxiety. In his latest special, The Great Depression, he 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.280 handles some very dark stuff, including a stay in the 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:18.640 psych word, with great humanity, vulnerability, and hilarity. And the 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.520 special Gary also delivers a lot of the smartest, funniest 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.440 material on sports that I've ever heard. I fell in 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:31.880 love with basketball almost immediately because because basketball just fits 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:36.600 my personality, it's still does. Basketball is the only sport 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:41.840 you can practice by yourself. I spent a lot of 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:48.360 time practicing basketball by myself. And basketball also fits me 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.760 because it's the only sport where if somebody so much 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:56.040 as slaps you on the wrist, they stop the game, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:03.120 stop the game, set rate everyone, and let you make 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:08.640 two easy shots while everyone else is forced to watch quietly, 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:24.520 as if to say, think about what you did well. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:29.239 The topic today is laughter, because I think it's universal. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.720 It strengthens bonds, it builds relationships, and I think it's 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.400 needed now as much as it's ever been needed. So laughter. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.200 So for those of us that will never know the 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:45.440 feeling of being on stage and getting laugh after laugh 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:53.400 just in waves from strangers, describe what that feels like. Well, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.960 I I often put it in basketball terms. Now I 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:02.760 am tall enough and had enough hops in high school 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:07.120 and college to dunk a basketball, And I mean I 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.560 was only dunking in in high school games and in 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:17.160 rec league and and intramural games. But it is exhilarating. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.320 And that's the closest I could say to making a 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.640 room full of strangers laugh. But I will also say 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:30.000 that everyone has, or almost everyone has had made their 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:35.640 classroom laugh, or their coworkers laugh, or or more than 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.719 even sometimes one person. It feels so great that to 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.880 have a laugh, and and why it's been called the 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.200 short insistence between two people I know, which is a 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.520 Victor Borg of what that you you use as your motto, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.239 and I think it's a it's spot on because although 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.440 there are other universal languages like food and perhaps beverage, 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.360 I think laughter is the most fun. I mean, I 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.159 just think it's the most one and it does do 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.800 things to your brain um that they can recall years later. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.720 You can still get that same high off the one 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.880 laugh you got, which I think is the beauty of 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.159 a laugh. It's it's short lived, but it also has 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.960 lasting power, certainly, And I think that. And I wrote 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.719 down a bunch of notes and so I'll try to 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.560 spread them out over the interview. But one thing I 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.400 regarding regarding language that I was that I was thinking 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.240 was that dogs will will turn over and show you 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.520 their belly when when they don't want you to hurt them, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.640 and and to show that they're peaceful, and and they 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.680 make themselves vulnerable. And I really think that that laughter 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:47.440 is it is a similar similar technique to show people 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.839 that you mean them no harm and also trying to 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.080 trying to make somebody laugh, is it is another way 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.440 to to say no, I'm I'm I'm here to to 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.599 make you happy, and I like you. I mean, that's that's, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.200 that's what it always came down to for for me, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.479 especially outside of my own house. I recognized early on 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.320 in my life that I could lighten them mood in 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.360 my home, and I would. There was a reward from 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:19.040 making my family laugh, and I found that I could 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.760 I could use that in school and in my neighborhood. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:27.479 That that was my my way of of making friends 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:34.440 and feeling feeling liked and and appreciated. And unfortunately I 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.640 needed more than than just kids in the neighborhood. And 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.760 I or or I found out how much better it 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.880 feels to get a room full of strangers to laugh, 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.200 very very early in my in my life and and 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.400 and like a person who is is Jones, and I 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:55.000 needed that. But but most people can can be satisfied 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.640 and content with being this funny person or amongst their 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.240 their friends. And I need to ask you if you 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.040 found yourself at a young age, because I know how 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.159 much you appreciate comedy and humor and you have good 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.960 taste in it, if if only because you you enjoyed 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.000 my work, I wonder if you like me, sort of 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.960 arranged your life to be around funny people, and to 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.040 that you sort of sought out the people who shared 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.360 the same comedians, the same show as. For me, it 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:30.360 was it was Saturday Night Live and and those those 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.080 those characters on Saturday Night Lives. That that and Steve 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.000 Martin was a big one when I was very young, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.840 when I was six or seven. He came up with 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.200 those those albums, and the people who got past those 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.320 and got the movies starring Bill Murray goes for the 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.600 people I sought out, right, I surrounded myself with intentionally, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.240 and I was deliberate about it. Yeah, I think that 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.400 one way to be happier is to just to be 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.560 around funny people. They'll say that. And when I was 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.000 a kid, it was the George Carlton records. My parents 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.080 listen to that I didn't. I didn't really understand. They 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.080 love Carlin. I could see that he was funny, but 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.040 I was way over my head as a young kid. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.880 So it was the Little Rascals early early on, and 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.720 then things like laughing the Carol Burnett Show. She was 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.640 an acquaintance of my parents and so we would always 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.720 watch her show and the sketch comedy of Harvey Korman 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.720 and Tim Conway would have my brother and I rolling 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.880 on the floor. And that was such an awesome shared 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.480 experience with the family to have those laughs. And later 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.360 on obviously the Steve Martin albums and things like that, 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.200 but but yeah, just the power to share a laugh 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.880 with your family and to make others laugh. I wasn't 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.800 a professionally funny person, never have been, but I do 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.840 remember Gary getting the very first laugh, and I was 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.800 about seven years old. We lived in Illinois. I was 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.120 into tall buildings. Is that funny Illinois? I guess maybe 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.600 it is a funny place. So what's what's funny. What's 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.320 funny to me is that you remember your first laugh, 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.720 because I do too, And I think that's I think 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.600 that's significant because we we everybody talks about how they 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:09.280 remember when they had their first kiss, when they they 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:14.400 got their first girlfriend, or or sex, of course their wedding, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.960 But the first laugh is is not something that. I mean, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.439 it's only a matter of time before there's a podcast 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:27.000 discussing my first laugh or the first thing you laughed at, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.200 and and I think that's significant that you remember it, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.080 and I remember it. And it's only a sample of two, 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.240 but I bet you a lot of people remember the 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.480 first time they made everybody laugh, And the first time 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.800 you probably laughed was for most people was probably a fart. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.760 But the first time that I gotta laugh, I was seven. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.120 I loved tall buildings. So we went into the John 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:51.320 Hancock Building, which was second only to the Series Tower. Yeah, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.360 you know with the win in Chicago, the John Handkick Building, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:57.000 and go up to the top view Chicago. Great experience. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.160 And now we get in the elevator to go down, 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.960 and it's crowded with adults and I'm seven years old 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.280 and I'm on on a high from seeing this view, 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.400 and the elevator starts to go down quickly, and I 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:14.079 get that feeling and I announced, in a very excitable, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:18.400 high pitched seven year old voice, I can feel it. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:25.920 I can feel it in my And there is kind 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:30.079 of a pause, and the adults were looking at each other. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.880 Is it okay to laugh at this seven year old 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.600 kid making a dick joke? And uh, it turns out 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.640 that it was and they all laughed. And I didn't 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.800 know what was funny about that. I was just expressing 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.360 what I was experiencing, and I looked around and the 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.520 elevator opens, they go out. They had a good story 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.920 to tell, and my family had a story to tell 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.120 to my great embarrassment, like for the next thirty years. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.240 But that was the first time I got to laugh. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.320 And it was it was like it was a high 0:10:55.360 --> 0:11:00.080 at seven years old. Wow, it is a high. And 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.640 and I mine mine isn't as funny. But I remember 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:09.160 my I was in first grade and the teacher asked 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.480 what a chick was, and all the kids said a 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.720 baby chicken. And then and I didn't know anything about timing, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.320 but I I just I just knew that I had 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:25.160 to wait a moment. And then I said as loud 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:30.160 as I could or a girl, and and everybody laughed, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.040 and and I was like, this is this is the life. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.760 This is the life. Everybody. I don't I don't know 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.160 that anybody liked me, but it felt like everybody liked 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.720 me after I after I said that, and the teacher 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.400 tried to contain herself. It was, I mean, it's not 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.720 as good as I can feel into my penis, but man, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.800 it it's uh, I'm I'm I don't know what your 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.800 feeling was better? The one down below, or they're feeling 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.079 at the laughter. But I it was I think it's 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.000 the it's the forbidden laugh, right, It's the one where 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.439 you're not supposed to have. I mean having many cases 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.360 on the job where it's you get the office giggles 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.079 and Herb Street and I will start laughing. Either it's 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.280 on the set you just you cannot make eye contact, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.720 or it's over in the booth. We've had a few 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.920 tightrope walks where it says we're on the edge of 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.079 just falling off and not being able to continue a 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.160 Most broadcasters who've been around for a while have those experiences. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.040 But yeah, it's those forbidden laughs for you. You you 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:27.880 know you're not supposed to but you and you better 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.920 pull it back or or you're gonna get in trouble. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:35.200 Those somehow feel great. But it was also this approval 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.559 that you got from your family and from strangers and 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.440 and I remember in an interview George Carlin talked about 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.400 how he was sort of addicted or in love with 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:51.160 the feeling of feeling smart and and clever. Is any 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.760 clever when the grown ups in his life and say, 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.640 isn't he clever? And I think that's a that's a 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.240 great that's a great feeling. And I bet you that 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.200 there has to be some sort of evolutionary aspect of it. 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.760 And that that brings me to another thing that I 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.040 took down as a as a note, that that laughter 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:17.400 is this incredible um release valve for for tension, and 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.240 and we play on that as comedians and and building 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:26.280 tension and releasing tension. But I think that's that's also 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:34.199 why it's it's evolutionary important, evolutionarily important, and and why 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.400 we we are are so drawn to people who who 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.080 make us laugh. I mean, the thing that that that 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.640 keeps coming back about Abraham Lincoln is is one his 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:51.560 his melancholy but also his incredible world class wit and 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:55.000 and humor. And and the same with with Mark Twain, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:14:01.400 who was another another dark, sort of melancholy person who's 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:07.680 whose wit was just legendary. And and I think that 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.280 there there aren't a lot of writers from that period 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.680 who who hold up and who are still widely read 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.360 and are still enjoyed by by people young and old. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.480 And I think Lincoln and Twain are two people and 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:26.320 the bottom line was that they made people laugh. Yeah, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.359 I think the darkness and the humor are probably intertwined 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:30.720 in the minds of lots of people. We can get 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.680 into more of that later. Why so many comics are 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.240 are so tortured and have these considerable dark side as 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.560 well as having the tremendous gift of lightness as well. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.520 I wanted to go back to the early lap because 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.120 my wife, Jennifer is a partner in this production, and 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.160 also obviously my my life partner talks about a laugh 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.040 that she had as a third grader. It still makes 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.120 her laugh almost I don't want data. Almost fifty years later, 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.920 and in the neighborhood, they had this this girl named 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.000 Florence who's a friend of hers, who fell down in 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.680 her driveway and broke her leg. Don't ask me how, 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.080 but she got one of those very heavy, you know, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.760 plaster of Paris casts. This is mid seventies circuits. So 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.440 you go to school with your big cast on, and 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.400 everybody tries to make you feel better by getting a 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.200 pen out and signing the cast, and so you sign 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.400 things like, oh what a bummer, Get better soon. And 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.240 Jennifer took her turn to sign the cast and noticed 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.920 that just before she had signed, her neighbor and friend 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.000 in third grade, had signed the cast and written to 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:41.960 this girl Florence, oh no, there goes flow on the cast, 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.600 and that's an odd thing for her, great to write 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.800 to make her feel better. And it turns out that 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:55.840 the neighbor who wrote that it was Judd Apatown, the 0:15:55.880 --> 0:16:00.040 producer of your brilliant HBO special The Great Depression, And 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.600 and Judd and Jennifer shared a backyard. He made her 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.600 laugh a few times. He was funny even as a 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.760 third grader. But she's still, fifty years later, will laugh 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:13.960 at oh no, there goes flow. And and that's that's 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.440 the power of a laugh that many years later, by 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.680 the way, from a third grader, which is foretold, his 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.560 his comedic talents. But Judge Judd had a great heart 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.320 back then too, By the way, he built a house 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.120 out of a cardboard box for Jennifer's pet turtle, cut 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.000 a hole out and then put some plastic there so 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.120 that the turtle would have a view out the window. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:34.920 That's the kind of heart that he had as a kid. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.000 So I thought i'd share that because you and he 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:41.600 have a professional relationship. Yeah, well we've become friends and 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:48.400 and he is really a thoughtful, kind, decent man and 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.280 and my my Rabbi friend put it best when he said, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.640 Judd at is not in love with show business. He's 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.840 in love with comedy and and that and that shows 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.600 and I think that's what's why you. I respect that 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.240 you are not only super smart and gift to be, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.760 you're a grinder. And I mean that is the highest compliment. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:13.000 You folks need to understand that Gary's choice of words 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:17.720 meticulous specific, the right word and the right order. Obviously 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.560 with the timing delivery any comics sweats that stuff. But 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.960 your your love of words and your process and these 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.160 bits that are months or years and the making. People 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:31.080 have no idea what serious business laughter is. When it's 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.560 it's broken down that way, I have just much respect. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.399 And where I learned about kind of your method and 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.320 the patient approach that you've taken. Well, here's here's another 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.240 thing that I wrote down to share with you, and 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.080 I wanted I wanted to see if you get this 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.120 feeling too. But there's there's the feeling when you get 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:53.120 a laugh and it's excellency. But there's also this feeling 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.959 now that I've I've gotten over the years and and 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.960 since I first started to write down ideas for Joe. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:06.120 And it's that I get a similar feeling too when 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.920 you solve a puzzle, whether it be a crossword puzzle 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.080 or or one of these thinking puzzles or or riddles, 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.240 there's a feeling in my head that when the right 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.600 word or the right phrasing, or the right idea or 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:24.560 analogy comes into my head, it feels so good. So 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.280 that I'm sure you have this in sports, because sports 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.520 is so often trying to relate an idea that people 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:36.720 haven't experienced personally, and and make them understand what is 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.320 what is going on here or the significance of things 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:43.040 that maybe they hadn't they hadn't noticed in the observations 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:48.240 and and and also you you have these moments on 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:52.720 on college game day where you're waiting to weigh in 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.080 and you must think of something and you think, oh 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.000 my gosh, this, I can't wait to say this. I 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.360 can't wait to say this, and that feels really good. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.080 It's it's the the sort of the I wrote down 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.359 what it what it felt like that it was that 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.720 it was something sort of pre high that when you've 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.119 ordered your meal and you you recognize what you ordered 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.960 on your waiters tray and and you're like, oh my gosh, 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.880 that those the heat is they have to be for me, 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.040 and they're about to arrive. And that's the feeling I 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.480 get when I think of something and I can't wait 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.399 to say that. And I wonder if you get that 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.919 on on college game day or you or you have 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.680 the perfect rejoinder to to Lee or or Kirk or 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.600 or one of the other gentlemen on the show. Yeah, 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.119 I think the pre high is a perfect way to 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.560 put it. And you have to enjoy the pre highs 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.199 and not just wait for the highs because if the 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.440 process has to be enjoyable and fun. Game day wasn't 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.120 formally scripted, but you obviously think about how you want 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.080 to say things, and you have have little you have 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:54.960 you have note cards just like what I'm using today. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.639 Here a little bullet points on there, and yeah, you 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.520 would you would think of addle that do play well 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.040 to those guys. There you go. My My, my penmanship 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.840 is much better than yours, sir. By the way, what 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.879 what you have on the page is smarter, but mine 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:12.879 is more orderly, so that I have very very good penmanship. 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.520 But yeah, I mean I think I would sit in 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.520 my room on a Friday night, late late at night, 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.480 because I'm not turnal, I only get a few hours 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.040 sleep before game day when I when I did that show, 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:25.960 I get a much better wake up call now just 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.800 doing the games on Saturday night. But yeah, you would 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.520 feel great because you're onto something that you knew would 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.920 play well to them, but also to the eight or 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.480 ten thousand kids behind you that had showed up to 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.560 stare at the back of the heads on a Saturday morning, 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.960 and they were probably hungover and tired or sleepless or whatever, 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.119 and so you wanted to make them feel good. And 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.640 playing to the live crowd and entertaining them was as 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.240 close as you can get in TV to what what 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.240 you go through. And that's why that was so much fun. 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.280 If game they hadn't been a live show and you 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.919 hadn't gotten that feedback where the audience was a character 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:57.879 in the show, I'm sure I would have given her 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.280 up a long time ago, because in a student just 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.159 doesn't doesn't feel the same way your sports material. By 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.320 the way, I have to say, this is is funny 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.920 as anybody's ever It's I know, I know a lot 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.240 of guys try it and they maybe have a line 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.200 your entire bits, which folks must watch The Great Depression 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.960 if you haven't yet on HBO, because a lot of 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.560 it is devoted to sports. You as this the physically 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.960 gifted but reluctant athlete. What I didn't realize was that 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:30.040 my high school coach had sent videos of my games 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:34.080 to a bunch of colleges, and then these college coaches 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.680 came to my high school to recruit me to play 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.280 for them, and I wound up accepting a scholarship to 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:44.840 Boston College because the head coach of the Boston College 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:49.320 Eagles football team two years prior, head coached Heisman Trophy 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:53.439 winner Doug Flutie, and then two years later he was 0:21:53.560 --> 0:22:06.320 recruiting future Participation Trophy advocate Gary Goldman. I mean, I 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.800 I love that you're you're, You're showed that vulnerable side. 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:13.679 I also love that it's just really funny stuff about sports. Well, thanks. 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.960 I remember when I was in in high school, everybody 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:22.000 wanted to be like like Bosworth, Brian Bosworth. He was 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.000 so aggressive, and he was so violent, and and he 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.240 was so outspoken, and we all wanted to have that 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:33.840 type of personality and and and aggressiveness and and I 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.480 saw how people reacted to that, and I felt that 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:42.160 that isn't me, and I hate myself because that isn't me. 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:47.520 And it took me into my forties, which whenever it 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.879 happens is great. I wish it didn't happen this this 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.960 late to accept that I was never going to be 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:58.679 an aggressive person, and I was going to be an 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:02.440 athletic person, and who was going to let a lot 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:06.879 of aggressive people down and a lot of really feisty, scrappy, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:11.720 smaller men down, and and to actually go out there 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:16.000 and say this and then the audience not be turned 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.840 off or boo me or I don't I don't know 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:22.480 why I was so afraid to share this part of me, 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.160 but it was much easier and that this will sound 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.639 like hi perboly arm exaggerating. It was much easier for 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:33.280 me to admit that I had spent weeks in the 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:37.080 psych ward from my mental illness. Then it was to 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.919 admit that I really didn't belong on a football field 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:46.200 and I was overwhelmed by aggressive men, and that I 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:50.879 still when when Coach Bicknell offered me a scholarship, I 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:55.040 still had a blankie in my in my room that 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.560 that I treasured and and it just didn't make any sense. 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:04.320 And I think my drive to be a football star 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:09.040 was based on being accepted by men's men, by the 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.920