1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff mob never told you. From how Supports 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, or should I say Caroline ahoihoi madi 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: ahoi madies. Yes, we are talking about women explorers on 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: the high seas because in our summer series on women 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: and Exploration, we've talked about overland explorers and Antarctic explorers, 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: and now it's time to explore the parts of the globe. 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: But knit all of these excursions together the seas, that's right. 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: A lot of cross dressing on the ocean, that's right, 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: because women weren't allowed on big boats for a long time. 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: They were not women, and our lady parts were considered 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: bad luck for ships and sailors. That's right. Along with priests, 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: pigs flower and leaving harbor on a Friday. Women aboard 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: ships for a long time were considered unlucky, probably because 15 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: of the whole thing about distracting sailors who would then 16 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: think of sex instead of thinking of you know, a 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: sex stance, right, because men only think about sex when 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: women are around. Yeah, well, but you know where women 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: were welcome naked on the carvings of the ships that's right, 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: because the ocean. While the sailors shouldn't look at or 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: even think about women ever because it's bad luck and etcetera, etcetera, 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: the ocean itself needs to see naked women, and hence 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: the carvings of like topless mermaids. And I guess, I 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: don't know, would you say a mermaid is just naked? 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you couldn't wear bottoms, that's true, topless, 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: we would call them topless mermaids. Topless mermaids. Yeah, that's 27 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: why you see them so commonly on ships, because they're 28 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: sort of offerings to the seas, which all of it 29 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: doesn't make a whole ton of sense. But then again, 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: we're talking talking about superstitions. Um. But then early in 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, speaking of cross dressing, we start to 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: see some daring seafaring women like Mary Anne Talbot and 33 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: Bonnie and Mary Read who in various ports of call 34 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: disguised themselves as men in order to join the ship's cruise. Yeah, 35 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: and and Bonnie and Mary Read both hooked up with pirates, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 36 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: I think it was was it Anne Read? One of 37 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: them ended up marrying the pirate known as Calico Jack. 38 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was Anne Bonnie. Yeah. Yeah, so they're 39 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: they're a happy pirate family and until they weren't, you know, 40 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: and their their ship was caught, and then they were 41 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: in prison and the men were hanged, and there's all 42 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: sorts of legends about maybe what happened to uh Anne 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: and Mary, but nobody really knows for sure. Yeah. Well, 44 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: and maybe we should do an episode on women in piracy, 45 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: as in sea piracy, not internet internet piracy. But then 46 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: we moved into the eighteen hundreds, you start to see 47 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: more commonly the wives of say, military officers, merchants, and 48 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: whaling captains joining their husbands on board more often. Yeah, 49 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: and these actually became known as HNN frigates. Yeah. If 50 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: you had a ship with women on board, I think 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: all you needed was one woman to constitute a hen frigate. Yeah. 52 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: I feel like that's making a big deal on to nothing. 53 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: It also reminds me of how bachelorette parties in the 54 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: UK hen parties just ladies of clucking. Interesting. I wonder 55 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: if women are called hens and other capacities. I mean, 56 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: I guess they are, but I wonder if it's supposed 57 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: to be derogatory in the same way as Chicks Chicks, 58 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: or maybe we have. We're hitting on so many other 59 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: potential podcast topics's just stopping our research right now. But anyway, So, so, 60 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: Mary Ann Talbot and Bonnie and Mary Reid were all 61 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: pretty impressive tough women. They were obviously pretty tough to 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: dress as men hang out with these like big burly, 63 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: scary pirate people. Obviously they were tough, but they were 64 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: not as tough as the first woman who circumnavigated the Globe, 65 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: who really only recently we found out about. Yeah, we're 66 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: talking about a French woman named Jean Beret, who once 67 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: she completed the trip, it was known that she was 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: a woman, that she had done this. She actually ended 69 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: up receiving a commission from the French Navy. But it 70 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: seems like her story has only been told in more 71 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: recent years. She was sort of lost to the history books. 72 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: But her story is fascinating. Yeah, Glenny's Ridley. You just 73 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: wrote a book about her called The Discovery of Jean Beret, 74 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, her life story is pretty incredible. So she 75 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: was born to peasants in France in seventeen forty and 76 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: I just as I'm reading her life story I'm picturing 77 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: the peasants from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, you know, like, oh, 78 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: I would be an impressed. Um. Anyway, she became an 79 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: herb woman, and this is basically part of a feminine 80 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: tradition surrounding the medicinal properties of plants and the emerging 81 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: field of taxonomy which aimed to name classify the natural world. 82 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: So basically, beret was part of this oral tradition because 83 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: it's not like they could read and they were at 84 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: the library studying all these plants. It was an oral 85 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: tradition where these families trained each other on how to 86 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: identify plants and their healing properties. Well. And it's notable 87 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: too that being an herb woman in particular was considered 88 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: this feminine folk loreic art, because it sort of ties 89 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: into what we were talking about in our Overland Explorers 90 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: podcasts about how a lot of the wealthier Victorian women 91 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: who went on all these explorations did so as botanists 92 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: because similar to the whole herb woman thing, you have 93 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: botany at the time being the one approved science for 94 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: women to be interested in because ladies love flowers, that's right. 95 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: I love flowers. I don't know what any of the 96 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: names are, but I love them anyway. So, yeah, botany 97 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: during this time was an emerging field. So basically what 98 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: does that mean, Like herb woman versus botanists, you have 99 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: the professionalization of the field, which means that more men 100 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: are getting into it, while women are considered like improper 101 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: through you know, it's not appropriate for them to study it. 102 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: So anyway, Beret is out out in the field one 103 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: day looking at some flowers and she ends up meeting 104 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: botanist Philibert Commerson. They they, I guess they They end 105 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: up talking quite a bit, getting to know each other 106 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: and talking about flowers and the birds and the bees 107 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: and whatnot, and of course, you know, they grow to 108 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: like each other quite a bit. Yeah, And at first 109 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: it seems as though Commerson takes on Jean Beret as 110 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: a student of his, but as Glenna's Ridley talks about 111 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: in her book, she thinks that it's actually likelier that 112 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: Commerson ended up working with Beret because she had things 113 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: to teach him about all of the herbal knowledge that 114 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: she had cultivated through this kind of folkloric medicine that 115 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: she practiced. That's right, And so basically Commerson was going 116 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: to go on this journey to identify plants and whatnot, etcetera, etcetera. 117 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: He needed an assistant to go with him, and who 118 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: better to go than Jean Berat. But the thing is, 119 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: she's a lady. She can't go. Yeah, she can't go 120 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: because at the time the French Royal Navy completely forbade 121 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: women on ships. And this journey took place from seventeen 122 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: sixty six to seventeen sixty nine. And so Commerceing said, 123 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? I love you, you know 124 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: so much about plants. I want you on the ship. Hey, 125 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: here we go. Uh, why don't we just dress you 126 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: up like a man. Put on man's clothes, bind your breast, 127 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: deepen your voice at voila right, And so she ends 128 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: up getting to accompany him in this disguise, dressed as 129 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: a man on this journey, which was led by French 130 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: explorer Louis Antoine de Bougainvilla. And if that sounds familiar, 131 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: it should because while they were in Brazil, they discovered 132 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: a certain type of plant, which they then named for 133 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: the explorer Bougena. Yeah, and it's thought that it was 134 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: Beret who discovered this now famous plant. Species. But then 135 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: the story takes a tragic turn because it's it's not 136 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: terribly surprising that on this three year jaunt, at some 137 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: point the crew started to suspect that Jean Beret was 138 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: not in fact a man, and she was found out. 139 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of conflicting stories about how 140 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: her outing happens. But what Glenni's Ridley thinks happens comparing 141 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: all these different primary sources that she used to research 142 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: her book, she thinks that Beret was actually gang raped 143 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: by the crew after she was outed at one point, 144 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: and soon after that, bouguin Villa actually in seventeen sixty 145 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: eight leaves Beret, who was then pregnant at that point, 146 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: possibly due to the gang rape in the French colony 147 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: of Mauritius where she then had the baby, gave it 148 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: up for adoption, and then Philibert dies like rough time Jee, 149 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: but Jean does not give up. She certainly didn't. She 150 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: remarried and went back to France and seventeen seventy four 151 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: seventy five about she ends up receiving a pension from 152 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: the French Navy, which is pretty shocking considering the time 153 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: she was living in the fact that she was a 154 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: woman and she wasn't even supposed to be on that ship. 155 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: But they they ended up basically compensating her for her 156 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: time that she spent looking at plants and identifying plants 157 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: and working on this ship. Yeah, and they knew by 158 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: that point obviously that she was not a he. And 159 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Ridley thinks that maybe this was due to an affair 160 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: with bouguin Vie that she received this pension. But nonetheless, 161 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: there was this prince aboard the ship at one point 162 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: he was sailing with them, and in his diary he 163 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: wrote about Jean Beret quote, she dared to confront the stress, 164 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: the dangers, and everything that happened that one could realistically 165 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: expect on such a voyage. Her adventure should, I think 166 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: be included in the history of famous women. So that's 167 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: what we're doing. Yeah, we're doing our part. But I 168 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: but I I love that that that somebody of his 169 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: stature would write something like that. But talk about going 170 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: to great lengths to explore I mean putting herself in 171 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean direct danger. That's right now. I want to 172 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: see a movie about this. Yeah, that's what I want 173 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: to see next. But it would take a while for 174 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: other women to end up making and breaking records of 175 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: their own on the high seas. Yeah, we're now going 176 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: to leap for word in time to the twentieth century, 177 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: which is when we start seeing other women. I mean, 178 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: there have certainly been other women in the meantime who 179 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: had sailed around the globe, but once we get to 180 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, that's when we have a lot of 181 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: races of women trying to go around the world on 182 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: their own or sail across specific oceans. And so you 183 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: start out in nineteen fifty two with Anne Davison, who 184 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: becomes the first woman to sail across the Atlantic alone. Yeah, 185 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: and her story of what really drove her was was 186 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: pretty interesting as well. In the nineteen thirties she actually 187 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: learned how to fly, which is how she met her 188 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: future husband, Frank, and after World War Two, the couple 189 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: took up sailing with plans to sail to the West 190 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: Indies to start a new life. But soon after embarking 191 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty nine, a storm hit, the boat capsized 192 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: and Frank died. So and to sort of continue their 193 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: their goal. To reach their goal, she sets off in 194 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: May of nineteen fifty two, across the Atlantic alone. And 195 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: it was not easy. No, apparently she maintained a steady 196 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: diet of Ben's adrine and rum to keep on keeping 197 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: on because it was such an arduous journey. But she 198 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: made it, and she broke this record and now has 199 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: a place in the history books. And and then in 200 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine you have a similar story actually with 201 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Sharon Cites Adams becoming the first woman to sail the 202 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: Pacific alone, going from Japan to California because she discovered 203 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: sailing after the death of her husband. And in nineteen 204 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: sixty four she had already become the first woman to 205 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: sail solo from the mainland US to Hawaii. So in 206 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: a pretty short period of time she just started racking 207 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: up all of these records sailing back and forth across 208 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: the Pacific alone. Deal. And I mean, these women were 209 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: not exactly using GPS systems, you know. This is this 210 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: is back in the fifties and sixties. And I mean 211 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: I I imagine like the quiet and the birds and 212 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: the water sounds, and I'm like, god, that was so 213 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: nice for like two hours, that would be really nice. 214 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: And then my Scottish skin would just like turn purple 215 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: and I would turn into like leather and shrivel up 216 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: and just throw myself overboard. You would need a lot 217 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: of bends, a green and rum. So maybe just the rum. 218 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: It's just the rum. Maybe just the downers. But I 219 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: think it's so interesting, like these stories of perseverance through 220 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: emotional turmoil from Beret to women like Sharon sits atoms Um. 221 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: But then things start getting a little more competitive in 222 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: the seventies, and apparently in ninety eight women had sailing fever. 223 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: Sailing fever, that's right, in June of nineteen seventy eight, 224 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: Poland's Christina Chanalska Liskawitz, who was a shipbuilding engineer and 225 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: yachting sea captain. I hope she had a jaunty hat. 226 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: She was the first woman to single handedly circumna vigate 227 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: the world singlehandedly, that's the important part. She actually ended 228 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: up getting dubbed the first Lady of the Oceans and 229 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: was admitted to the very exclusive, gender exclusive Explorers Club. 230 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: But obviously that wouldn't be for another couple of years because, 231 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: as we discussed in a previous Explorer episode, it wasn't 232 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: until the Explorers Club even started letting women in. Yeah, 233 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: I did a little digging on that, and I think 234 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: it might have been the Polish chapter of the Explorers Club. 235 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: And I was surprised too that there wasn't more information 236 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: or celebration regarding Liskowitz and her accomplishment. She just sort 237 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: of a footnote, even though it seems like a pretty 238 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: huge accomplishment. And I don't know if it's simply because 239 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: she was an American so she didn't get quite as 240 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: much fanfare, But yeah, I mean you would think, because 241 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: I feel like for a lot of these women who 242 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, were the first at something or or did 243 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: something the best, Uh, there's usually like an interview or 244 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: an article somewhere. Yeah, why don't we know more about 245 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: someone called the first Lady of the Oceans, Because it 246 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: seems like Naomi James, who completed a similar solo circumnavigation, 247 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: say that five times Fast has received more historical attention. 248 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: She was just narrowly be by list Go It's for 249 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: that title, but she actually completed her trip one d 250 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: twenty nine days faster, which is especially impressive considering that 251 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: James had barely two years of training on a yacht 252 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: before she was like, oh hey, I'm just gonna sail 253 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: around the world alone and for a little bit of 254 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: comparison with men's sailing, women weren't terribly behind guys and 255 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: doing these solo trips around the world. Robin Knox Johnson 256 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: had become the first man to solo circumnavigate the globe 257 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: in n interesting. I like hearing about people who just 258 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of, whether it's smart or not, just jump into 259 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: something like this. I mean, after only two years of training. 260 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: She's like, Yeah, I'm gonna do this. It's cool. I'm 261 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: just gonna go like around the world and stuff and 262 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: do it really fast on my boat. Yeah. I don't know. 263 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: I guess I would need a lot of bends a 264 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: dream for that one. But more recently, in twelve, Laura 265 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Decker became the youngest woman to sail around the world, 266 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: and she set out when she was fourteen, completing the 267 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: trip in two years. Yeah, listeners might be familiar with 268 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: her name a because there's a fantastic documentary about her 269 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: trip called Maiden Trip, because she actually took a camera 270 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: with her and filmed the entire thing, and it was 271 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: incredible to watch her on the boat taking care of things, 272 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: fixing things, sailing through storms, and generally just being by herself. 273 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: Can you imagine thinking back on when you were fourteen 274 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: fifteen years old, spending that much time alone. I feel 275 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: like there was I was in a state of constant 276 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: frenzy of wanting to be around other people and hang 277 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: out with friends and all of that kind of social stuff, 278 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: whereas she prefers that kind of solitary lifestyle. It takes 279 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: a strong person to be alone that much and too 280 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: and to buck what is normal for your social group, 281 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: of your age group or whatever. But her name was 282 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: also in the news before she even set sail, because 283 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: the Dutch government was so opposed to her even embarking 284 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: on this trip that they initially took her away from 285 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: her dad, who has sole custody of her, and I 286 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: think she ended up having to legally like separate emancipate 287 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: herself in order to do this. It was just like 288 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: a whole I mean, she was making national news the 289 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: whole time, and you see in the documentary this process 290 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: of her and her dad having to deal with all 291 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: of this unwanted media attention because genuinely, all she wanted 292 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: to do was sail around the world. She grew up 293 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: on boats, her dad worked, but all she wanted to 294 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: do all she wanted. I mean, all a girl wants 295 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: to do is take two years out of her life 296 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: and sail around the world. But I mean I think 297 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a great gift. I mean, maybe not 298 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: sailing around the world, but I think that type of 299 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: independence is a great gift that a parent can give 300 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: to a daughter to let her do something on her own. Absolutely, 301 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: that kind of ambition and bravery, because I mean she 302 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: would even you know, at certain ports, get off and 303 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: you know, hang out on land for a while and 304 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: just explore on her own and meet people and talk 305 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: to people. I don't even know if I approaching thirty 306 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: and brave enough to do that. At sixteen, I was 307 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: just meeting from I was going by myself to Starbucks 308 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: to meet friends. Yeah, big move, big move. I'll take 309 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: a Venti frappuccino, thank you. But next up, we want 310 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: to dive in to the seas to talk about not 311 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: just the women who have explored the oceans by sailing 312 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: on top of them, but also the women who explored 313 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: the sea by diving into its deepest depths. And we'll 314 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: get into that when we come right back from a 315 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: quick break. So far, we've talked a lot about Yes, 316 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: Jeane Beret was an explorer in the literal definition of 317 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: the term. She was going out around the world doing 318 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: science and research and all that stuff. But we've talked 319 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: a lot about adventurers to people like young Laura Decker, 320 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: who became the youngest woman to sail around the world. 321 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: Now let's let's dive in, as Kristen said, to some 322 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: more of these explorer stem Field types. Yeah, the women 323 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: who are getting into the oceans in order to learn 324 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: about how that aquatic world works. And just for a 325 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: little bit of historical context, and this is coming from 326 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: National Geographic to understand what is leading up to these 327 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: notable women. In ninety four, we have William Baby being 328 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: lowered into a tethered bathosphere to over three thousand feet 329 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: into the ocean, and he and his partner Otis Barton 330 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: pioneered manned exploration of the ocean. So this is in 331 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: the mid thirties. This is when we're really starting to 332 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: get into the depths, right and in this name should 333 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: be familiar to you. Jacques Cousteau and his partner, engineer 334 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: Emil Ganyon, modified a demand breathing regulator to engineer the 335 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: aqua lung forever changing how people interact with the ocean. 336 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: In other words, they made scuba diving possible. Yeah, and 337 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: and so my panic attack hyperventilation when I tried to 338 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: go snooba diving in Mexico, which is like a combination 339 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: of scuba and snorkeling. Total panic attack because my brain 340 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: I have him to thank for it, because my brain 341 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: was like, you're underwater. Did you not know you're underwater? 342 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to breathe? Panic attack. But anyway, speaking 343 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: of Custo, because we're not here to just talk about 344 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: these dudes, as impressive as they are with their aqua lung, 345 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: we have to talk about Custo's wife, Simone Melchior Custo. 346 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: So she and Jacques get married, and she actually sold 347 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: family jewels and furs initially to help fund the Calypso, 348 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: which was the famous ship that they sailed on. And 349 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: she became known as the first Lady of the Ocean 350 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: because of all of the incredible work that she did 351 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: alongside Jacques Cousteau. For instance, she became the first woman 352 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: scuba diver and played an essential role in the development 353 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: of scuba diving technology as well as basic undersea operations 354 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: because she was helping test out the equipment, get dive 355 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: into the ocean with it on and see what there 356 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: was to see in the sea. Yeah, yeah, and and 357 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: looking fabulously French while she with a with a little 358 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: like short haircut and striped shirt with the boat neeck. 359 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: I kind of want that to be my summer style, 360 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: the Simone chic um. Well, so in nineteen sixty three 361 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: she actually became the first aquannot when she visited the 362 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: con shelf to undersea habitat in the Red Sea. But 363 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: I do want to mention too that there was a 364 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: scandalous undercurrent to the Cousto's relationship because and this didn't 365 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: come out until after Simone died, but almost the entire time, 366 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: or at least for a good portion of their marriage, 367 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: Jacques Coustou had a secret family, and he ended up 368 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: marrying the woman that he had been, you know, having 369 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: this long term affair with and two children with while 370 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: he was married to Simone. He married this other woman 371 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: after Simone died. But I mean it just seems like, 372 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, I wonder if she was how could 373 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: she not have been aware of that? And I think 374 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: she just loved the exploration in life on the Calypso 375 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: so much that perhaps that overshadowed any kind of you know, 376 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: relationship turmoils. I mean maybe maybe. I mean, after all, 377 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: her son with Custo, Jean Michelle, often said that she 378 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: was the real captain of the Calypso and that she 379 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: spent more time on Calypso than my father, brother, and 380 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: myself combined. Yeah, and I hate that I didn't even 381 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: know about her accomplishments because everyone knows about Jacques Gusta, 382 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: but I don't think that that many people know about 383 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: the important Simon. Yeah that she Yeah, that she was 384 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: just as critical to these explorations as Jacquas. But if 385 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: first Lady of the Ocean Simone's moniker isn't impressive enough, 386 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: here we go. Let's take this radnus up a notch 387 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: with Sylvia Earle known as her Deepness. Yeah. We we 388 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: mentioned Sylvia Earle in our first introductory episode and and 389 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: talked about how her resume is incredible. Um. In nineteen seventy, 390 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: Earl led the first team of women aquanauts, which I 391 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: love that aquanauts during the tech Type project, and she 392 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: set a record for solo diving to a depth of 393 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: one thousand meters. And now the first tech type project 394 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: was all men, but then she was part of a 395 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: follow up project that brought all women explorers down to 396 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: the ocean, and that tech type project in nineteen seventy 397 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: was the first NASA mission to include women, and it's 398 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: still the only all female NASA mission ever conducted, right, 399 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting too when you think about the 400 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: context of when this was happening. I mean, this is 401 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: this tech type to project that Earle lad was happening 402 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: during a time when women were, you know, more entering 403 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: the workforce. They were entering jobs that had traditionally been 404 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: held by men, and so it was really showing that 405 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: women scientists and explorers could do the same things that 406 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: men could do and had a lot to contribute to 407 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: the field as well. Yeah, And one of the engineers 408 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: and assistant scientific director on that tech type to all 409 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: female mission under the Seas, Peggy Lucas Bond said about 410 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: that uh expedition quote, one of the things is probably 411 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: true to any minority group. Ours was bound and determined 412 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: to do everything better than the men could do. And 413 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: she from there talked about how they completed more projects 414 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: and tried to bring back more data than other projects 415 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: had because this was the point in which they had 416 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: to prove themselves, and it actually paved the way for 417 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: other female aquanauts to be regularly included in future missions 418 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: and also paved the way for women's inclusion in NASA 419 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: space missions. Yeah, exactly. You're you're either floating under the 420 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: water or you're floating in space. Yeah, because this tech 421 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: type project was meant to help simulate how life in 422 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: space would take place. Oh and Peggy Lucas Bond also 423 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: talked about the claustrophobia aspect of living in that capsule underwater, 424 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: because it would be the same kind of thing if 425 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: you're in, say the space station, you can't leave. Nope, 426 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: no thanks brave women, No thank you, But I'm glad 427 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: other women did it. I just said, no desire. Well, 428 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: And I thought Sylvia Earle's career lead up to becoming 429 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: her deepness resonates a lot with the other explorers that 430 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: we've talked about because she was introduced to all of 431 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: this through guess what botany? Yeah, studying algae for her 432 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: thesis of all Things algae. Yeah, and just for another career. 433 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: Note this was actually before tech type two. In ninety eight, 434 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: she discovered undersea dunes off the coast the Bahamas. That 435 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: would be nice, that would be cool. I want to 436 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: go there. Um. In ninety nine she actually set the 437 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: world untethered diving record. She descended twelve hundred and fifty 438 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: feet beneath the surface of the Pacific Ocean in one 439 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: of these special diving suits that maintain a constant interior pressure. 440 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: Because holy goodness, I cannot believe that she went so 441 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: far down, just untethered. I I with the pantic attacks, 442 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: like I'm feeling one coming on. I just I can't. 443 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: She's she's so cool. Well and for that, I think 444 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: she got the name her deepness because she went so 445 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: deep into the ocean. Um. And in she became the 446 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: first woman to become the chief Scientists of the National 447 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which is pretty cool. And she 448 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: wrote a book called Sea Change, A Message of the Oceans, 449 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 1: which is kind of considered the silent Spring for the oceans. 450 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: And then in which seems a little too too recent 451 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: for this to be a first, but in she became 452 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: the National Geographic Society's first female explorer in residence. And 453 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: she's still working, she's still doing stuff. She's still diving 454 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: and learning about the ocean and conservation and spreading the 455 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: gospel thereof Yeah, I saw a picture of her with 456 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: her son. They were both in diving states. And then 457 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking about pictures of the Custos and their family, 458 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, can you imagine that that's your normal? 459 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: Like my parents worked for Delta Airlines and that's my normal. 460 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: And like other people, their parents are like teachers and 461 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: firefighters and the office people like, but no, your your 462 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: parents were just like super awesome underwater explorers. That's normal. Well, 463 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: it seems like with a lot of the seafaring women there, 464 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 1: there's usually a family tie of either growing up on 465 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: boats or around boats or by the water. Yeah. And 466 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: I one thing that I do wish as far as 467 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: inspiration is concerned, Like I do wish we knew more 468 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: about what inspired those early women like and Bonnie to 469 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: dress like men and go out on the oceans. I mean, 470 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: I know that they love these pirates and they wanted 471 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: to have adventures for themselves, but it's like, oh, I 472 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: just want to kind of get inside their brains. Yeah, 473 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: absolutely well, and even today, I mean, there are so 474 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: many women also in oceanography. There there are many other 475 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: women doing similar work to Sylvia Earle. There's even a website, 476 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: Women oceanographers dot Org dedicated to highlighting all of the 477 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: different career paths that water loving women have taken. In 478 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: its similar stem oriented jobs that they're doing. Yeah, and 479 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, in in earlier episodes we've we've hit on 480 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: this over and over again that you know, people are 481 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: asking what is left to explore, what is left to discover, 482 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: And the answer is only that it's everything you know, 483 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: people who are whether you're on top of the water 484 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: discovering things or you're underneath the surface of the water 485 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: discovering things. There's everything from microbes and habitats to the 486 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: plant life, the animal life, I mean everything in between. Well, 487 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: and so much of us two deals with broader issues 488 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: of climate change and its repercussions down to our day 489 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: to day lives. So while it might seem rather exotic 490 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: to you know, have a job that involves scuba diving, 491 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: it actually can have a trickle down impact into our 492 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: day to day cubicle bound existences, that's right. It can 493 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: make us better podcasters. That's right. Indeed, Well, this wraps 494 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: up the portion of our summer series really highlighting the 495 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: women who are professional explorers and adventurers. And next up 496 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: to close things out, we're going to take a look 497 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: at women who are just traveling on their own just 498 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: to see the world to day and what that's like. 499 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: So in the meantime, we want to hear from you. 500 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: Do we have any oceanographers, any marine biologists listening? Anyone 501 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: who knows Sylvia Earle her deepness? Are you listening? Let 502 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: us know Mom's Stuff at how Stuff works dot Com 503 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: is our email address. You can also tweet us at 504 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast or messages on Facebook, and we have 505 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: a couple of messages to share with you right now. 506 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: So I've got a letter here from summer in response 507 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: to our episode on why a fiction. She writes as 508 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: a teacher in New Zealand, teaching students eighteen years old, 509 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: I try to make sure that I teach something new 510 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: with at least one of my classes every year so 511 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: that I don't get bored. I get to choose what 512 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: I teach and can sometimes arrange for class sets of 513 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: texts we purchased if I want to teach something that 514 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: we don't already have. I think the best part of 515 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: my job is seeing young people excited about literature and 516 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: choosing the right text for the class is so important. 517 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: You touched on the need for great diversity and fiction, 518 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: and in New Zealand this is represented by the need 519 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: to have relevant New Zealand text rather than relying on 520 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: American and British fair and specifically Maori and Polynesian stories. 521 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: My recollection of New Zealand literature when I was in 522 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: high school was not entirely positive. Either it wasn't relevant 523 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: to me, or I often found it boring because New 524 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: Zealand literature is characteristically dark. That's surprising, and I liked 525 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: more optimistic fare at that stage in my life. Furthermore, 526 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: as a Maori living in the suburbs of Auckland, I 527 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: was somewhat disconnected from my heritage and so called Maori 528 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: stories did not apply to me is they tended to 529 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: be set in rural communities or in violent gang lands. 530 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: That said, as the market grows, there are more of 531 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: our stories being told, and the students I teach are 532 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: less likely to experience cultural cringe than I did when 533 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: I was in school. My favorites include Guardian at the 534 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: Dead by Karen Healy, a supernatural thriller that contains elements 535 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: of Maori mythology, and also Rangatira by Paul Morris, which 536 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: is historical fiction based on real events. So thanks for 537 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: that insight, summer and fun. Fact, my brother is also 538 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: a teacher in New Zealand, so hats off to you. 539 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: I have a letter here from Melissa. She says, I 540 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: was so excited to listen to your did World War 541 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: Two really help Rosie the Riveter podcast? From my master's 542 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: thesis in history, I wrote about Millie Jeoffrey, who was 543 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: the first woman to have a department at the United 544 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: Auto Workers. She ran the Women's department from nineteen forty 545 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: four to nineteen forty nine. One problem she encountered during 546 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: the end of World War Two is the disregard of 547 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: women's special seniority that they accrued during the duration of 548 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: the war. When men left their auto factory jobs to 549 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: serve in the military, they continued to accrue seniority, while 550 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: the women who replaced them got special seniority. Women therefore 551 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't outrank returning veterans, but they would out rank men 552 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: who had never worked in the factory. However, veterans who 553 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: were new to the auto industry were hired over women 554 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: workers who had more seniority than them. When the war ended, Unfortunately, 555 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: million or colleagues got little help from their union and 556 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: the auto companies on this matter. Oh I hate that story, 557 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: but I love the story and I'm glad you shared it. 558 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: So thank you me, Lissa, and thanks to everybody who 559 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: shared their stories with us. 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