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Speaker 1: We actually have two guests in town from Australia to

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Speaker 1: news about Ukraine. Updates on Zelenski's visit here. We've got

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Speaker 4: So we'll dig into that.

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Speaker 1: Sager is looking at a January sixth conviction and I

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Okay, let's get to Ukraine. So President Zelenski, the

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Speaker 2: By coming to the US, he's inadvertently ignited multiple diplomatic crises,

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Speaker 5: Ukraine gave up its third largist nuclear arsenal. The world

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you should, we should know exactly what

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Speaker 4: Have kept the news. Oh right, Russia should have gotten

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Speaker 2: So at the same time, President Zelenski here, he's got

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Speaker 2: twenty four billion is not the end.

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Speaker 3: They made that very clear. It is not close to

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Speaker 2: I would say we were basically told buckle up and

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Speaker 2: forget that. Whenever the Biden administration requested that another twenty

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Speaker 4: And we've seen a.

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Speaker 3: There's another option that happens.

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Speaker 2: They reach some sort of cr deal continuing resolution where

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Speaker 2: The Senate could vote it down and say no, we're

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Speaker 3: So, as you said, ninety percent chance, I think it.

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Speaker 2: Will pass absolutely ninety percent, but there's a lot of chaos,

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Speaker 1: The other thing that, just to clarify, I said the

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Speaker 1: to There was a reporting Litico Playbook, which is, you know,

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Speaker 2: At the same time, there is a humorous incident in

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Speaker 8: Russia hates the truth that their obsessive focus on a

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Speaker 8: this puppet of Putin is only the first. Russia's war

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think Zelenski choosing to investigate this

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Speaker 1: Defense Cabinet ministers in an attempt to also show a

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Speaker 1: series about corruption. So I don't really read into it

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Speaker 1: anything more than that.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think you're right. I think it's

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Speaker 2: what they were like, oh my gosh, this could be

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Speaker 2: causing problems for us.

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Speaker 1: They probably, I mean, they got a senator and was

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Speaker 1: sending a messages about it. What they you know, they're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, fine, goodbye, well a launch an investigations.

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Speaker 4: This is not worth ache.

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Speaker 2: This is not worth the headache to put out this

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Speaker 2: type of stuff. But you know, it does just give

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Speaker 2: you an example of how some of their like some

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Speaker 2: of their rhetoric, as we talked about with letter Block

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Speaker 2: about the regime change and about is actually starting to

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Speaker 2: invite some pushback in Washington, probably not enough in order

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Speaker 2: to do anything about actual funding, but this is just

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Speaker 2: one of the latest examples.

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to give you guys that update. I

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Speaker 3: thought it was funny.

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Speaker 1: So let's give you an update on the autoworkers strike

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Speaker 1: set to potentially escalate as contract negotiations continue without resolution

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Speaker 1: of this morning. And this has created some very interesting

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Speaker 1: political dynamics. So first person out, Joe Biden came out

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Speaker 1: with a very strong statement I thought, in support of

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Speaker 1: the striking workers, very clearly on their side. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: then has attempted to signal his support, his symbolic support

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Speaker 1: for the workers, even without fully taking their side, by

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Speaker 1: planning a speech in Detroit to worker union workers, not

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Speaker 1: all auto workers but former union workers, current union workers, etc.

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Speaker 1: But in Detroit on the day of the second GOP debate.

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Speaker 1: And so, because this is how Democrats are, this has

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Speaker 1: set off a whole series of like you know, pearl

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Speaker 1: clutching and handringing about oh god, what do we do

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Speaker 1: now work with regards to Joe Biden. So put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen from Politico. They have the headline

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Speaker 1: Trump scooped us dem sound alarm on Biden's handling of

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Speaker 1: the auto workers strike. Donald Trump's decision I had to

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Speaker 1: Detroit for a speech next week is setting off alarms

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Speaker 1: among some Joe Biden allies. And the idea here is

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Speaker 1: they quote a union advisor who spoke on the condition

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Speaker 1: of anonymity to say that Trump is still himself and

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Speaker 1: was saying, do crazy shit. But they added, he actually

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Speaker 1: has people who know what they're doing. He boxs Biden in.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of genius. Another Democratic strategist said, Trump scooped us. Now,

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Speaker 1: if we announce we're going to we're going, it looks

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Speaker 1: like we're just going because of Trump. We waited too long.

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Speaker 1: That's the challenge worth remembering. Actually, Trump did better among

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Speaker 1: union members in twenty sixteen than he did in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Biden was able to double the.

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Speaker 1: Margin that Hillary Clinton achieved among union members in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: So he does perform better with this group.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, I just think it's silly.

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Speaker 1: Their whole concern The question is whether or not Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden should go and walk the picket line. And basically

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Speaker 1: every Democrat who's advising him, and every Democrat mission Michigan

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Speaker 1: is like, yes, go and walk the picket line, go

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Speaker 1: make an appearance, go meet with these striking autoworkers. The

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Speaker 1: union itself has said, you know, of course they.

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Speaker 4: Would welcome him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't welcome the President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: regardless of who it is, to come and.

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Speaker 4: Show support for striking work.

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Speaker 1: But they're doing all this hand ram Oh gosh, now

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Speaker 1: that Trump's going, maybe we can't go and it'll look

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Speaker 1: like we're just following him, et cetera. I think that's

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Speaker 1: so silly, all of that thinking, of course he should

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Speaker 1: just go. And if he does go, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: would be a big deal. No president in over a

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Speaker 1: century has shown up at a picket line, so it

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Speaker 1: would be an extraordinary action. And they're just kind of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, dragging their feet about whether or not it

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Speaker 1: would be the right thing to do.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of the East Palestine situation whenever Trump

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Speaker 2: visited and then Buddhajed came afterwards and he was like, no,

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Speaker 2: I didn't come just because Trump came, and he was like,

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. But one of the reasons that we had

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Speaker 2: written a scene behind the scenes was that the Biden

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Speaker 2: advisors were wary of going after Trump had visited because

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Speaker 2: they didn't want to seem as if they were following him.

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Speaker 2: As you said, I don't think it mattered to the

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Speaker 2: people there actually though at the time, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think it matters this time around. In fact, you know,

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Speaker 2: it would just be you could spin it and be like, yeah, good,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad he's there.

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Speaker 3: It's a show of bipartisanship. Yeah, the two of us

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Speaker 3: support this thing.

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Speaker 2: That's how things should be in American politics should be,

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Speaker 2: and that's why all GEOP lawmakers should do the same.

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Speaker 2: There'd be an easy way to play it from a

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Speaker 2: position of strength.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he could say, yeah, I'm glad to see him

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Speaker 1: symbolically supporting him now while he was screwing workers while

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Speaker 1: he was in office and giving away direct tax catt

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you would use it as a

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Speaker 1: messaging opportunity. And you're the president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to attract a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: if you take what would be again a historic action

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Speaker 1: by going and walk in the picket line, put those

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Speaker 1: next peace up on the screen. Jeffstein's been doing some

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Speaker 1: really great reporting over at the Washington Post about the

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Speaker 1: strike and from the worker's perspective, and he's got this

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Speaker 1: political insight here, he says his Trump wooz Detroit Unions.

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Speaker 1: Democrats urge Biden to join UAW strikers. He's coming under

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Speaker 1: increasing pressure, they say, from some Democratic lawmakers, to do

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Speaker 1: something none of his prodecessors apperative done in office, join

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Speaker 1: striking workers walking a picket line. He also is the

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Speaker 1: one who points out, according to Director of Labor Education

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Speaker 1: Research at Cornell University, that he would be the first

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Speaker 1: president in a century to join a picket line. The

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Speaker 1: White House declined to comment when asked if Biden is

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Speaker 1: weighing a visit, but they say an interviews with The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, more than a half dozen Democrats in Congress

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Speaker 1: and the Michigan state legislator said he should go. UAW

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Speaker 1: leadership has also communicated to the White House that a

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Speaker 1: presidential visit would be welcomed. So I think there's a

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Speaker 1: decent possibility that he shows up. I think he one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent should show up. In my opinion, this is

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Speaker 1: an absolute no brainer. If you don't want to get

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Speaker 1: out maneuvered by Trump and his you know, symbolic nonsense,

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Speaker 1: then there's a really clear path to doing that he's

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Speaker 1: already rhetorically Biden has already clearly taken the side of

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Speaker 1: striking workers, So this is just going one step further

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Speaker 1: further and actually physically showing up in solidarity for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I read is that one of the complications,

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Speaker 2: apparently is that the GM CEO and Biden are close

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Speaker 2: and apparently has been.

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Speaker 3: She's been making Mary Bara yes, because she's busy.

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Speaker 1: She was a Democratic candidate for governor in Michigan, so yeah, she's.

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Speaker 2: Like, they know, so they know each other, and apparently

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Speaker 2: there's some uh, there's been communication about you shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: doing such a thing, and I don't want to sacrifice

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Speaker 2: our relationship shift apparently as the CEO.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, I think it's it would have

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Speaker 3: been a no brain. I agree.

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Speaker 2: You know, the easy way to not go off Fox

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Speaker 2: or whatever is we've just been doing it earlier or

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Speaker 2: announcing it, you know, whenever it happens.

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Speaker 3: But I agree, even now, I.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they'll think this and that. No, they'll just be

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Speaker 1: happy that you're there with them. Like, no one's gonna

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Speaker 1: you know, think, oh you look weak and you were pressured,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. They're just going to be happy that you're

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Speaker 1: there so showing support for workers, so don't overthink it, guys,

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Speaker 1: that would be my recommendation. At the same time, thanks

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Speaker 1: to our partnership with Status KUP and Jordan Sheridan on

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Speaker 1: the ground, he was able to talk to workers themselves

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Speaker 1: about how they are viewing all of these political machinations.

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Speaker 1: And again, guys, thank you so much for helping support

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Speaker 1: us so we can get this kind of exclusive reporting.

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Speaker 1: And also, you know, shout out to Jordan Chardan and Status,

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Speaker 1: so if you're able to support them as well, please

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Speaker 1: do so. Take a listen to what the workers had

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Speaker 1: to say about the politics of this.

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Speaker 7: Do you welcome a visit from Trump?

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Speaker 9: And do you agree with them as far as we

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Speaker 9: need to shift away from the electric vehicle transition?

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Speaker 2: I do agree with shifting away from the electric electric vehicles.

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Speaker 6: I do agree with that.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 7: Also it's all about the support for us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't really know what to say.

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Speaker 9: Do you think in terms of the electric vehicles that

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Speaker 9: it's kind of hurting the workers there's not enough demand

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Speaker 9: for it. Why why do you agree with shifting away

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Speaker 9: from electric Really?

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Speaker 7: Job security?

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Speaker 6: Job security?

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Speaker 7: Most of me.

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Speaker 11: Sixty percent less workforce means we're gonna lose a lot

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Speaker 11: of UAW jobs.

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Speaker 6: That's what I believe.

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Speaker 9: What do you think of the former president who says

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Speaker 9: he's coming here next week to I guess talk to

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Speaker 9: the workers.

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Speaker 7: What do you think about him saying.

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Speaker 9: He would reverse these electric vehicle policies compared to President Biden.

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Speaker 12: Well, first of all, he's a politician, So whatever he

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Speaker 12: says that, I'm not gonna believe him anyway. But the

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Speaker 12: main thing is for electric vehicles here is a concern

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Speaker 12: for the future for autoworkers. I think part of this

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Speaker 12: contract party fight has to secure that future, whatever it is.

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Speaker 12: You know, I don't think there's any way to tell

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Speaker 12: how a popular elected vehicle is going to be, how

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Speaker 12: well they're going to sell. But we have to have

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Speaker 12: jobs and jobs. There are secure jobs and well paying jobs.

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Speaker 12: So whatever that is, whether they are more electric vehicles

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Speaker 12: being sold or less, we still got to make sure

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Speaker 12: that autoworkers have jobs. That we have to defend our

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Speaker 12: jobs and our pay rate and our futures. So if

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Speaker 12: if they're going to be more electric vehicle produced, we

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Speaker 12: have to make sure the jobs in the battery plans,

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Speaker 12: for example, are union jobs. They are high their jobs

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Speaker 12: at the same pay rate, and people have a chance

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Speaker 12: to work there. Because right now, if an engine planet closed,

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Speaker 12: for example, because they have fewer gas parted vehicles, the

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Speaker 12: battery plants where there are going to be jobs might

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Speaker 12: not be in the same city are given the same state.

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Speaker 12: So we have to be a way to secure our

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Speaker 12: jobs as autoworkers, whatever the future is.

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Speaker 9: What do you think about you know, the Biden administration

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Speaker 9: gave Ford to nine point two billion dollar loan. Doesn't

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Speaker 9: see it for electric doesn't seem to be a lot

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Speaker 9: of strings attached, does not you know, demands for wages

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Speaker 9: for workers, making them union shops. What do you think

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Speaker 9: about Ford getting that big loan without some requirements.

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Speaker 12: Well, it shows you which side the governments they're subsidizing

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Speaker 12: the auto company, not just Ford, all the all the

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Speaker 12: company being subsidized by the Inflation Reduction Act and building

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Speaker 12: battery of ficialities in his company in this country. So

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Speaker 12: they're subsidizing them without any protection for the workers. So,

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Speaker 12: but that's what the government nobody does right in my opinion,

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Speaker 12: they're out there serving big businesses and not the workers.

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Speaker 9: Former President Trump says he's coming here next week he's gonna.

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Speaker 7: Talk to the workers.

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Speaker 9: UAW President Sean Fain had some not so nice words

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Speaker 9: for him, saying, we're fighting against billionaires like him.

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Speaker 7: What do you think about Trump coming here?

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Speaker 6: I have no comment about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: Not a supporterizer, no comment. What do you think? In general?

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Speaker 9: He criticized the electric vehicle shift, saying, you know, if

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Speaker 9: he becomes president again, he would shift away from this

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Speaker 9: investment in electric.

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Speaker 7: Vehicles, He'll be in prison.

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Speaker 9: Okay, do you agree with I agree with him because

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Speaker 9: I've talked to workers who feel electric They don't have

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Speaker 9: job security with these electric jobs, and there's not enough

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Speaker 9: demand for the electric Do you do you agree with him?

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Speaker 7: Or do you think this electric transition is a good thing.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a good thing. I think it's it's

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Speaker 6: the way of the future.

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Speaker 12: They're going to have to figure out how it's gonna

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Speaker 12: all work, where people are going to have to plug

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Speaker 12: in their cars and whatnot.

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Speaker 6: But you know, it's change and we have to embrace change.

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Speaker 1: So I talked to Yeah, those were really interesting, A

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Speaker 1: good spectrum of views there, and you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: the gentleman in the middle who was like, listen, we're

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Speaker 1: not opposed to evs.

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Speaker 4: We just got to have job security. I think that's

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Speaker 4: the general of you.

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Speaker 1: I asked Jordan, you know what was the overall vibe

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Speaker 1: as he was talking to workers about the politics of it,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, most of them don't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about these guys, Like most of them are skeptical

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Speaker 1: of both of these politicians. It's not their primary focus.

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Speaker 1: Like they're focused on their fight against the Big three,

687
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Speaker 1: against the bosses, trying to win job security, trying to

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Speaker 1: win decent wages, like that is the primary thing that

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Speaker 1: they're focused on and want to talk about. And this

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Speaker 1: stuff over here all seems like kind of a sideshow.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, While he was into Troy, Jordan Tardan of Status,

693
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Speaker 1: who was also able to get an exclusive interview with

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Speaker 1: UAW President Sean Fain, covered a range of issues.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to some of the highlights.

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Speaker 9: Joe Kernan, who's worth three million dollars, that's his salary

697
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Speaker 9: at CNBC. He said, that's just optics. What the CEOs make,

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Speaker 9: it doesn't really matter. UAW is deploying a quote politics

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Speaker 9: of envy by continually hammering the.

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Speaker 7: CEO pay are you and the workers just quote envious

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Speaker 7: of the CEOs.

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Speaker 11: I call it a politics of reality, the reality of

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Speaker 11: what our members go through every day. I mean, the

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Speaker 11: majority of our workers are scraping to get by paycheck

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Speaker 11: to paycheck.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know that's not envy.

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Speaker 11: You know, when workers start out at fifteen or sixteen

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Speaker 11: dollars an hour and it could take them years as

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Speaker 11: attempt to even get the full time. If they get

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Speaker 11: the full time, there's no guarantee they'll get there. If

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Speaker 11: they do, they go to eighteen and then they have

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Speaker 11: an eight year progression to get the full pay. They're

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Speaker 11: not our members are. This isn't the old Big three

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Speaker 11: where you know, it was the gold standard. When you

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Speaker 11: got a job at the Big three, you were set

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Speaker 11: for life. That's not what this is anymore. And that's

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Speaker 11: what we're fighting to bring back. These jobs should matter.

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Speaker 11: And we're generating a quarter of a trillion dollars in

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Speaker 11: profits in the last decade, twenty one billion the first

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Speaker 11: six months this year, and our workers are falling further

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Speaker 11: and further behind.

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Speaker 6: That's got to stop.

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Speaker 11: And you know it's it's ironic, you know, when you

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Speaker 11: know Kramer's compared me to Trotsky or anyone else and

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Speaker 11: talking about, you know, the ninth class at Harvard's going

726
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Speaker 11: to be Sean Fayne and in communism, and I laugh.

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Speaker 11: You know it's like I tell them, you know, yeah,

728
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Speaker 11: there's I come from Central Indiana. I said, yeah, that's

729
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Speaker 11: Central Indiana is really known for a breeding ground for

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Speaker 11: cornfields and communism.

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Speaker 6: It's it's laughable.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if you saw Mary Barraw, she the

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Speaker 9: General Motors CEO, did a bit of a robotic interview

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Speaker 9: on CNN. She was asked, you know, how do you

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Speaker 9: kind of justify you're getting a thirty four percent increase?

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Speaker 9: Why should workers get She gave some weird math equation

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Speaker 9: that ninety two percent of her salary is based on

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Speaker 9: company performance. I kind of take that reading in between

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Speaker 9: the lines, is the stock price? Could you kind of

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Speaker 9: talk about because it seems like they're just doing this

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Speaker 9: scheme of buying back the stock that juice up the

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Speaker 9: stike so the CEO and executives make more pay not

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Speaker 9: she's not specifically talking about like the workers.

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Speaker 11: Well, the worst part of this, like I tell people,

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Speaker 11: when she talks about performance, she's getting paid and the

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Speaker 11: stock price goes up and down based off the performance

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Speaker 11: of our members, of our workers. Because they're in their

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Speaker 11: busting their asses doing this work, delivering great product, sales happen.

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Speaker 11: That generates the massive profits. But the sick twisted part

750
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Speaker 11: of this is you look at the last four years,

751
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Speaker 11: incomes of went up. Sales have went up sixty five

752
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Speaker 11: percent in the Big three, CEO pay went up forty percent,

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Speaker 11: stock buybacks went up fifteen hundred percent. This is our time,

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Speaker 11: this is our we call this our generation defining moment.

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Speaker 6: This is it.

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Speaker 11: And so you know, and when I talk about not

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Speaker 11: having limits, you know, throughout my campaign, ain't running for

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Speaker 11: this job. And even since then, when we're talking about

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Speaker 11: our issues, when we put our demands out there, I

760
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Speaker 11: can't tell you how many people would say, you know, oh,

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Speaker 11: you'll never get cost of living back, that's the thing

762
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Speaker 11: of the past. You'll never Why are you fighting for pensions?

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Speaker 11: We'll never see a pension. And all I hear is

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Speaker 11: what we can't do and our unfortunately that was driven

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Speaker 11: by a leadership that had a can't do mentality, settling

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Speaker 11: for the bare minimum and making people think that's okay.

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Speaker 11: The sky has to be the limit. We cannot limit ourselves.

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Speaker 11: And what we can achieve if the founders of this

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Speaker 11: union would have went into negotiations saying what they can't do,

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Speaker 11: if they would have went in and they would have fought,

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Speaker 11: or if they wouldn't they fought, They fought, They got

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Speaker 11: beat up. They some gave their lives to have this opportunity,

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Speaker 11: and they didn't give a damn what anybody told them.

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Speaker 11: They couldn't have. They said, no, we're going to take it.

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Speaker 11: We're going to get what we have to get, no

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Speaker 11: matter how to buy any means necessary.

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Speaker 9: I don't really care if you endorse President Biden. That's

778
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Speaker 9: all that Ceenn cares about. But I'm interested. You know,

779
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Speaker 9: you hear some verbally kind of pro worker language. He did,

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Speaker 9: you know, stop around road strike at the end of

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Speaker 9: last year. But aside from you know, occasional vague support,

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Speaker 9: there hasn't been a lot of action. There was no

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Speaker 9: push for the pro Act, which would have, you know,

784
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Speaker 9: been a big boost for organized labor when Democrats had

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Speaker 9: complete control. You know, Biden apparently is sending two top

786
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Speaker 9: aids here. I don't know what they'd be doing, but

787
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Speaker 9: we know the Republicans and their views on labor. Do

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Speaker 9: you need more from the Democratic Party, aside from you know,

789
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Speaker 9: talk and showing up when the cameras are here.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, the proof's got to be in a pudding.

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Speaker 11: The proof's going to be in the work.

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 11: And as we said, our endorsements are going to be earned.

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Speaker 11: It would drive me nuts as a worker to just

795
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Speaker 11: watch sometimes we just endorse people and there's really no

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Speaker 11: body of work behind that. And we can't be taken

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Speaker 11: for granted. No more, workers shouldn't allow themselves to be

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Speaker 11: taken for granted. And so, you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 11: of things going on in this economy, and there's a

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Speaker 11: lot of things with the ev transition. I mean, we're

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Speaker 11: not against a green economy.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we got to.

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Speaker 11: Have clean air, we got to have clean you know,

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Speaker 11: we've got to have a world for people to live in,

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Speaker 11: future generations to live on. And but it's got to

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Speaker 11: be a just transition where you know, labor is guys,

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Speaker 11: the seeds a table. You know, there's a lot of money,

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Speaker 11: you know, with the IRA that was put in play

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Speaker 11: with the government, a lot of our taxpayer dollars to

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Speaker 11: help fund this transition. But again, like always, the corporation

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Speaker 11: has come with their hands out there's always way the

812
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Speaker 11: government finds a way to put money in our pockets,

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Speaker 11: but labor gets left behind.

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Speaker 6: Labor cannot continue to be left behind.

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Speaker 11: And that's been our message to the White House, to Congress,

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Speaker 11: and to anyone that'll listen.

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Speaker 6: And so you know, that's that's got to change.

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Speaker 1: So you can really see there the way that his

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Speaker 1: vision is to try to restore the previous eras understanding

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Speaker 1: of what an auto worker job should mean, that it

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Speaker 1: should be the gold standard. As he put it, it

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Speaker 1: should mean that you can have a stable middle class life.

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Speaker 1: And by doing so, he's trying to redefine what that

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Speaker 1: looks like for the entire working class, with the entire

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Speaker 1: you know, blue collar and also service sector working class

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Speaker 1: should be able to expect from their job.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, I think he's very compelling.

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Speaker 1: It's very clear he was just elected, as I've pointed out,

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Speaker 1: and over the sort of like historic more company tied leadership.

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Speaker 1: The members for the first time had a truly democratic election.

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Speaker 1: This is the leadership that they chose. They wanted to

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Speaker 1: go in this more militant direction because they've seen the

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Speaker 1: way that their wages have been eaten away and eaten

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Speaker 1: away and eaten away over years. They've seen the way

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Speaker 1: that they got nothing back after basically bailing out these automakers.

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Speaker 1: And the latest information just this morning is that they've

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Speaker 1: set a kind of a new deadline of new non Friday.

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Speaker 1: If they aren't able, which it doesn't look like they're

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Speaker 1: likely to be, aren't able to come to some sort

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Speaker 1: of a contract agreement before noon on Friday, they're going

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Speaker 1: to then escalate the strike and bring in additional plants

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Speaker 1: from the Big Three in order to strike and join

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Speaker 1: what's already about ten thousand workers out of I think

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Speaker 1: it's ten thousand out of the one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand UAW workers who are already on the picket line.

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Speaker 1: So you can hear a lot of clarity there in

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Speaker 1: what his goals ultimately are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really interesting the way that he's

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Speaker 2: phrasing it. It's very important. Actually, it probably comes at

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Speaker 2: the best possible time. I also think that his confrontational attitude,

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Speaker 2: specifically toward the boss class, as you said, you know,

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Speaker 2: coming in a time of historic acceptance of unions, of

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Speaker 2: growing political I wouldn't say there's political opposition in the

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Speaker 2: same way that there would have been you know, ten

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Speaker 2: or fifteen years ago. So anyway, I think it's very

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Speaker 2: interesting to see how he's positioning himself, but also to

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Speaker 2: see how much, you know, given the interviews that we

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Speaker 2: saw with the workers, all of them they don't want

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Speaker 2: to get involved in the politics.

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Speaker 3: They're just like, well, we just want better pay.

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Speaker 2: So clearly he is speaking, you know, on behalf of them,

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Speaker 2: and that militant attitude is reflective of what they elected

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Speaker 2: him to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably the biggest take.

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Speaker 4: He's critical of.

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Speaker 1: It was very critical of Trump, saying we are fighting

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Speaker 1: with every fiber of our being against the billionaire class

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Speaker 1: and need to stop electing these people who are you know,

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Speaker 1: basically screwing everybody over. But he also has been very

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Speaker 1: critical of the Biden administration and saying, you know, their

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Speaker 1: big rub is not that they don't want to transition

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Speaker 1: to evs. It's that they want to ma make sure

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Speaker 1: that those jobs are going to be union jobs.

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Speaker 4: That's the big rub.

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Speaker 1: The original plan of the idea of the Administration and

876
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Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act is that those incentives to the carmakers

877
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Speaker 1: would come with a requirement that they be union jobs,

878
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Speaker 1: but that got dripped out in negotiations, Joe Manchin in

879
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Speaker 1: particular didn't want it, and so there are now no

880
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Speaker 1: protections in the Inflation Reduction Act to make sure that

881
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Speaker 1: these new battery plants and the new ev manufacturing facilities

882
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Speaker 1: are actually union.

883
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Speaker 4: So that is at the core of this fight.

884
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Speaker 1: That is a genuine rub between the auto workers and

885
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Speaker 1: the Biden administration. It's something that of course Trump honed

886
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Speaker 1: right in on and is trying to use to create

887
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Speaker 1: a gulf there. And you know, is obviously going to

888
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Speaker 1: be in town next week. But you know, from what

889
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Speaker 1: I can tell from from Sean Fain and from the

890
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Speaker 1: rest of the membership, like those political fights are really

891
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Speaker 1: secondary to them. They're very much focused on the here

892
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Speaker 1: and now, what's my wage going to be, what are

893
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Speaker 1: my benefits going to be, what's the future going to

894
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Speaker 1: be for me and my family in this industry, and

895
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Speaker 1: how are we going to make sure that we secure

896
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Speaker 1: our part in it? And that way, it really reminds

897
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Speaker 1: me of lot of some of the fights with the

898
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Speaker 1: writers and actors who are also looking at the way

899
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Speaker 1: their industry is changing and saying, this is our chance

900
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Speaker 1: to make sure that we have a secure spot in

901
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Speaker 1: what this future looks like with AI and also with streaming,

902
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Speaker 1: and they can already see the way that they're getting

903
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Speaker 1: completely screwed in terms of streaming revenue. I'man just basically

904
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Speaker 1: cut out completely from streaming revenue, whether you're an actor

905
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Speaker 1: or a writer. And so they're saying, we're using this

906
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Speaker 1: point little moment that we have when contracts are up

907
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Speaker 1: and when the labor market is tight, and when we

908
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Speaker 1: have an administration, a national ab relations board that at

909
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Speaker 1: least is not going to completely screw us, to try

910
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Speaker 1: to make sure we can secure our future in a

911
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Speaker 1: changing industry. And it's the exact, very similar dynamics here

912
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Speaker 1: with autoworkers.

913
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I'm fascinating to see how it continues to spiral.

914
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Speaker 2: It seems like the lawmakers aren't sorry, the bosses aren't

915
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Speaker 2: giving in here, so a wider strike obviously really hit

916
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Speaker 2: their bottom line. And we'll see if they can hold

917
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Speaker 2: out as long as the studios can. I don't think so,

918
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Speaker 2: given the current economic just how united the UAW is

919
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Speaker 2: and you know, get their ability to stretch and all that.

920
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Speaker 3: But hopefully it's not a long one.

921
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Speaker 1: Hopefully they seem very committed, and you know, we'll see

922
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Speaker 1: what the automakers ultimately do. The ball is in their court,

923
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Speaker 1: as they say, that's all right. Now we're going to

924
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Speaker 1: shift gears. We have some special guests joining us in

925
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Speaker 1: studio here, two Australian members of Parliament who are advocating

926
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Speaker 1: for the release of Julian Assange.

927
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Speaker 4: They are in town. They're going to join us right now.

928
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Speaker 1: We're very excited to have two special guests in studio

929
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Speaker 1: here with us this morning. Two members of Parliament all

930
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Speaker 1: the way from Australia, from two very different political ideologies,

931
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Speaker 1: who are in town to advocate for the release of

932
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Speaker 1: Julian Nossane. We have a Member of Parliament Barnamy Joyce

933
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Speaker 1: and also Member of Parliament Monique Bryan.

934
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Speaker 4: Great to have both of you here with us.

935
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Speaker 3: Thanks you, thanks having us on your show.

936
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Speaker 1: Absolutely course, So if you could start just by telling

937
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Speaker 1: us why are you in town? Why make what is

938
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Speaker 1: a very long trip to come here and advocate on

939
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Speaker 1: behalf of Julian Assange.

940
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Speaker 3: Oh thanks Chris. Yes, it's a long way to come.

941
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Speaker 10: And the parliamentary delegation that's come Australia, there's six of us,

942
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Speaker 10: is unique, I think, as far as we can tell

943
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Speaker 10: us unprecedented for three members from our Lower House and

944
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Speaker 10: our Upper House to come in this way. But we're

945
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Speaker 10: also people from across the political spectrum in Australia, which

946
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Speaker 10: basically reflects the fact that our electorates feel really strongly

947
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Speaker 10: about the Assange case. More than nine out of ten

948
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Speaker 10: Australians now feel that it's pastime for Julian the signs

949
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Speaker 10: to be released and to be allowed to go home

950
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Speaker 10: to be with his wife and his two children. There's

951
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Speaker 10: a real wave of support for him in Australia. We're

952
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Speaker 10: very anxious about the prospect that he could be extradited

953
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Speaker 10: from the United Kingdom to the States, and we're here

954
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Speaker 10: to advocate on his behalf.

955
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Speaker 3: So to talk up a little bit about that, Sarah,

956
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Speaker 3: what are the issues at stake? Is about us standing

957
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Speaker 3: up for journalism. He's a citizen.

958
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Speaker 2: What are some of the issue areas that have united

959
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: you know all these disparate political coalitions do for them

960
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Speaker 2: to come to Washington and say this is something that

961
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Speaker 2: we demand.

962
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Speaker 13: Let's go through the issues here. For me, it's not

963
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Speaker 13: so much about Julian Nossinge. It's a principle all about

964
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Speaker 13: extra territorial reach. Let's put a turn around. Let's imagine

965
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Speaker 13: a guy from Ohio and all of a sudden, he

966
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Speaker 13: lives in Ohio. He's never committed an offense in the

967
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Speaker 13: United States at a state level or federal level, and

968
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Speaker 13: then Australia says, well, he's committed offense for US, and

969
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Speaker 13: then he goes overseas. The next thing you know, Australia

970
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Speaker 13: is saying, well, he's coming to jail in Australia. He's

971
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Speaker 13: going to stay there for one hundred and seventy five years.

972
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Speaker 7: The people of the.

973
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Speaker 13: United States would rightly say, what on earth is going

974
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Speaker 13: on here? Let's go through some other things. Julian or

975
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Speaker 13: Sanche never stole anything from the United States. A guy

976
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Speaker 13: by the name of Bradley Manning who then became Chelseah's

977
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Speaker 13: then Chelsea Manning did and then he published it Let's

978
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Speaker 13: go through a Nothing. He didn't publish it first. An

979
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Speaker 13: American guy by the name of John Young published it

980
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Speaker 13: first from cryptome. I think it was the name website.

981
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Speaker 13: It's just a Julian had a much large reach in Australia.

982
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Speaker 13: Julian actually got a Walkly Award journalism award. Now I'm

983
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 13: not here to advocate. Actually think that morally it was wrong,

984
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Speaker 13: but it wasn't a criminal offense in Australia, and that's

985
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Speaker 13: a big difference. And we've got other issues. We've got

986
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Speaker 13: a lady by the name of Chung Lei. She's in

987
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Speaker 13: jail in China. She's a journalist. So what do we

988
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Speaker 13: say there?

989
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 6: Do we say?

990
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 13: The Chinese are, well, you should send her back. Let's

991
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 13: go back and say, hey, how about how about you

992
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Speaker 13: work on your first roll in your bone, in your

993
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Speaker 13: backyard and then come and talk to us. So as

994
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Speaker 13: a principal, it's where a lot of australianers said, are

995
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Speaker 13: this is messy. And I think for us, in our

996
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Speaker 13: relationship close relationship with the United States, especially on defense

997
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Speaker 13: a new world, we see it as a mess and

998
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Speaker 13: we just won't cleaned up and moved on.

999
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Speaker 4: Miss Ryan.

1000
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Speaker 1: How is the reception here in Washington, Ben, How the

1001
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: politicians that you've been speaking with Are they receptive?

1002
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Speaker 3: They have been really receptive.

1003
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Speaker 10: So we've met thus far with representatives from the Department

1004
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Speaker 10: of State and the Department of Justice and a couple

1005
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Speaker 10: of politicians, and we're meeting with a number more today.

1006
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Speaker 10: And I think the thing that's really resonated is the

1007
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Speaker 10: center which this really matters to Australians, and I think

1008
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Speaker 10: people are a bit surprised, and we've heard on several

1009
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Speaker 10: occasion people saying, well, we didn't think you guys were

1010
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 10: that fussed about it, that worried about it, that you

1011
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 10: cared that much about Juliana Sanje's situation, but also that

1012
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 10: they weren't as aware as we want them to be.

1013
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 10: In that's while we're here about how strongly we feel

1014
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 10: about freedom of the press and about protection of our citizens' rights.

1015
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Speaker 10: And one of the things we've said repeatedly is that

1016
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Speaker 10: Australians have huge respect for the US and our countries

1017
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Speaker 10: work really closely together in lots of ways, economic, on defense,

1018
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 10: in any number of other ways, and there's not many points

1019
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 10: of difference between the US and Australia.

1020
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Speaker 3: We have great respect for.

1021
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Speaker 10: Your Constitution, in your First Amendment right to freedom of

1022
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Speaker 10: the speech of speech and freedom of the press, and we,

1023
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 10: I guess expect a reciprocal level of respect for our

1024
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Speaker 10: press and for the speech of our citizens, and we

1025
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Speaker 10: don't want this to become a point of difference between

1026
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Speaker 10: Australia and the US. Right that's something we're trying to

1027
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 10: say we come here not to pick a fight, but

1028
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 10: to advocate on behalf of someone that matters to us

1029
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 10: and hopefully to strengthen the relationship between Australia and the US,

1030
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Speaker 10: not the reverse.

1031
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: Well, it's a very powerful message and so just outlines

1032
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Speaker 2: on the steps for what comes next. And there's currently

1033
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Speaker 2: an extradition fight about bringing him over from the UK.

1034
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Speaker 2: If the US were to drive the charges, would that

1035
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: drop the extradition You'd be free to go home?

1036
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 3: Is that what we're advocating.

1037
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 13: For Saga, Yeah, precisely, right, there's no point extraditing someone

1038
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 13: to the United States if there's no charge to answer

1039
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 13: exactly right now. During the science was probably in prison

1040
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Speaker 13: for around about eleven years impact I'm more about thirteen.

1041
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Speaker 13: Part of it sort of set self in prison and

1042
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Speaker 13: the Ecuador and AMBERSIEMI saw that. But right now he's

1043
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Speaker 13: in a place called Belmarsh Prison, which is a high

1044
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 13: security prison in England. He gets out for one out

1045
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Speaker 13: or two hours a day. And if you think about it,

1046
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 13: he said, well why are you in jail? Look, you

1047
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Speaker 13: didn't commit a crime in Australia. There is no Australia.

1048
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Speaker 13: It's not like a you know, sort of a backwater

1049
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 13: in a remote corner of the world that goes around

1050
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 13: deliberately persecuting people, or we have special laws. We're very

1051
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 13: similar on a common law principle, and how we the

1052
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 13: United States works, and we just we're trying to take

1053
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 13: people on the journey and trying to say this is

1054
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 13: not a right or left thing. I was Deputy Prime

1055
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Speaker 13: Minister of Australia and I'm from the right. Now I'm

1056
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 13: strongly from the right. And if we in Australia both

1057
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Speaker 13: the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition, who

1058
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Speaker 13: polls apart in both ones from the left of the

1059
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Speaker 13: left once from the right of the right, have both

1060
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Speaker 13: landed in the same spot, it really just calls into question,

1061
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 13: you know, think about it, Just think about this principle,

1062
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 13: because we don't we have a strong belief in the

1063
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Speaker 13: United States, and therefore United States is such a leading

1064
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 13: role in so many areas of the globe, and you

1065
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 13: don't want one sort of barnacle, the sort of sullied reputation.

1066
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Speaker 13: You just say, let's park the scene and move on.

1067
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Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately we've got more than one bon We can

1068
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Speaker 1: talk about that another time. Has public sentiment in Australia shifted.

1069
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Speaker 1: Has pressure been building on this?

1070
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Speaker 10: It really has, for a number of different reasons. The

1071
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Speaker 10: first thing is that this has gone for more than

1072
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Speaker 10: eleven years, during which time Julian has married, and he

1073
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Speaker 10: has two small children who've never had an opportunity to

1074
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Speaker 10: live with him, and so we do feel like enough

1075
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Speaker 10: is enough. In that context, Chelsea Manning has been tried,

1076
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Speaker 10: found led guilty, been found guilty, convicted to thirty five

1077
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Speaker 10: years in jail, but then had her sentence commuted by

1078
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Speaker 10: President Obama, so she now walks free, whereas mister a

1079
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Speaker 10: Stunt has never actually been sent to trial as such,

1080
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Speaker 10: and eleven years later, is still being detained. It seems

1081
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 10: egregious that contrast to us really hits very poorly. But

1082
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Speaker 10: the other thing that's happened over time is that we

1083
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 10: have understood more about our own military's engagement in Iraq

1084
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Speaker 10: and Afghanistan and around some of the circumstances of that engagement.

1085
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Speaker 10: A number of criminal trials in Australia underway now are

1086
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Speaker 10: about to start of military personnel from Australia interesting for

1087
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Speaker 10: potential war crimes. And so I think we see the

1088
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Speaker 10: information that mister Assange released in a different light now

1089
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Speaker 10: than we did when it was released, and I think

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Speaker 10: that probably to some extent as well, reflects some of

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Speaker 10: the things that have happened in the US. Sure with

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Speaker 10: the vision and the documents that he released. With the

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Speaker 10: passage of time, we recognize their significance and their value,

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Speaker 10: and we would not be seeing that sort of information

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Speaker 10: if journalists feel that they can't take classified documents and

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Speaker 10: publish them in the public interest if they're truthful.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that there may also be a bit

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Speaker 1: of an opportunity with this administration because under the Obama

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Speaker 1: Biden administration, they were no fan of Julian Assange, but

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Speaker 1: they evaluated the relevant laws and said, we don't see

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Speaker 1: how we can prosecute this man without criminalizing all of

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Speaker 1: journalism and criminalizing publishers and the other out It's like

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Speaker 1: the New York Times that we're also reporting on this

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Speaker 1: in for.

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Speaker 10: Me, de Spiegel, LeMond, El Pos, the Guardian, all of

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Speaker 10: those would have been drawn into the same thing and

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Speaker 10: they would have had to have been prosecuted.

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Speaker 4: And the Obama administration.

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Speaker 1: And so Biden was obviously vice president then so is

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Speaker 1: there a sense that, okay, potentially we can make the

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Speaker 1: argument like let's just go back to what was decided previously.

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Speaker 4: Under the Obama Biden administration.

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Speaker 13: Well, we look for the outcome and we'll leave the

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Speaker 13: process up to the United States, and we understand that

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Speaker 13: you can't turn up in another country with the process

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Speaker 13: of duress. And it's really on the same principles. You've

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Speaker 13: got to turn up and show your case, plead your case,

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Speaker 13: explain yourself. And that's that's why we are here. My

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Speaker 13: position is not so much on as a person who

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Speaker 13: has involvement in military and Australia, I'm not here to

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Speaker 13: justify on a moral basis what Juan Thessanche did. That's

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Speaker 13: if I've never met the guy. I don't even know

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Speaker 13: whether i'd like him.

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Speaker 4: That's it's kind of irrelevantly.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of irrelevant.

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Speaker 13: I think it's important for people to know that because

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Speaker 13: a lot of the times what people are doing is

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Speaker 13: they looking at the action making a judgment on the process.

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Speaker 13: The process must be right, because I don't I have

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Speaker 13: a view of this person, and you guys say no,

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Speaker 13: you've got to separate that as you know that in law,

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Speaker 13: the lady who represents justice as a sword, she has scales,

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Speaker 13: but she's also got a blindfold, and you've got to

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Speaker 13: be blinded to the person and not make a judgment.

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Speaker 13: And let's see where that process ends. I just think

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Speaker 13: on a cogent examination of it, people has to say

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Speaker 13: exactly what you will have everybody in see an end

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Speaker 13: everyone in fox. I mean, they better build a really,

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Speaker 13: really really big jail, because if this is the case,

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Speaker 13: there's a lot of people going to jail, and that's

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Speaker 13: obviously peytently absurd.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's not just the journalists to a bit risk,

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Speaker 10: it will impact all of us because we wouldn't receive

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Speaker 10: the news that we need to receive if journalists are

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Speaker 10: afraid to publish it.

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Speaker 1: Is there any action that you would ask our audience

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Speaker 1: to take to support your efforts here?

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Speaker 4: Anything that people.

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Speaker 13: Could do to be a I think the really important

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Speaker 13: thing is to think about the case and then lobby

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Speaker 13: your Congress, your senator, make them aware of it. I

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Speaker 13: have found in some instances I'm surprised at the lack

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Speaker 13: of understanding maybe a view in a certain way after

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Speaker 13: a discussion, But I think it's really important that people

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Speaker 13: see it and see it for me through the light

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Speaker 13: of a process and say, look, this is the United

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Speaker 13: States of America. You know this. We're not some Central

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Speaker 13: American Republic or something like that. This is kind of crazy,

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Speaker 13: and we're certainly not the CCP in China. This is

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Speaker 13: the kind of the way they carry on how we

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Speaker 13: should be carrying on.

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Speaker 14: Last words, Yeah, tell you I'm aware here because people

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Speaker 14: lobbied US politicians listen to their constituents, and so we

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Speaker 14: would really ask people to do that and to speak

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Speaker 14: out about this because it matters to all of us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you both so much for joining us, for

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Speaker 2: making the trip, and hopefully thank you, thank.

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Speaker 13: You thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: Had a couple of special elections this week. Both of

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Speaker 1: them went in the direction of the Democratic candidate, and

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Speaker 1: this led to some new analysis of how all of

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Speaker 1: these special elections have been going, which points in a

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Speaker 1: very different direction from how the polling has been going.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the polling has Biden and Trump very tight,

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Speaker 1: it has Republicans with a significant edge in terms of

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Speaker 1: the congressional ballot. But these special elections have sort of

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Speaker 1: consistently swung towards the Democrats by double digits over what

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Speaker 1: would be expected. So go ahead and put this analysis

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. We want to make sure and

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Speaker 1: flag this for people. This is from ABC News and

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Speaker 1: they say that Democrats have been winning big in special

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Speaker 1: elections on average, so not in one race or the other.

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Speaker 1: On average, they have won by margins up eleven points

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Speaker 1: more than the weighted relative partisanship of their district. So

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Speaker 1: whatever you would expect based on presidential results and based

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Speaker 1: on what the normal partisan lean of a district is,

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Speaker 1: Democrats have been out performing that by about eleven points.

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Speaker 1: One of the special elections this particular week was actually

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire discre that is six percentage points more

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Speaker 1: Republican leaning than the nation as a whole. It went

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Speaker 1: for Trump, yet the Democrat won by twelve points, So

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Speaker 1: that is an eighteen point Democratic overperformance above their partisan baseline. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so now you may be asking does any of this matter? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of an open question. But usually put the

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Speaker 1: next piece up on the screen. Usually what happens in

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Speaker 1: these special elections does seem to correlate with what happens

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Speaker 1: in terms of the national House popular vote. So if

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Speaker 1: you have Democrats who are overperforming the special elections, they

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Speaker 1: tend to overperform when it comes to the congressional ballot.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to midterm or presidential year elections, they

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Speaker 1: go through the data here.

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Speaker 4: Now, the relationship does not always hold.

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Speaker 1: There was a year here in nineteen ninety seven and

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Speaker 1: ninety eight where Republicans were overperforming by twelve points, but

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Speaker 1: then when it came to the national House popular vote

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Speaker 1: it was more or less even they were at point nine.

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Speaker 4: So not a big correlation there.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at a lot of these other years,

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Speaker 1: you can see there seems to be a trend of

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Speaker 1: whatever party is overperforming the special elections tends to do

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Speaker 1: wellme the congressional vote. Now, you could probably guess some

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Speaker 1: of the reasons that might be contributing to this, same

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Speaker 1: as when the predicted red wave did not materialize in

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Speaker 1: the midterms, could very much be discussed with Trump and

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Speaker 1: stop the steal and crucially abortion, which obviously has really

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Speaker 1: motivated the Democratic part of the electorate. You could also say,

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Speaker 1: you know, this could have to do and this may

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Speaker 1: actually lessen the impact when it comes to a presidential

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Speaker 1: election year. But it used to be that Republicans were

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Speaker 1: the party that had more of the college educated voters

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Speaker 1: who were more likely to be to routinely show up

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Speaker 1: election after election after election, it was more difficult for

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Speaker 1: Democrats to turn out their base. That dynamic has now

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Speaker 1: flipped where it is Democrats, who overwhelmingly are bay college

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Speaker 1: educated voters who are more likely to consistently turn out

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Speaker 1: for elections. So you could say, Okay, well, maybe they're

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Speaker 1: turnout for these special elections, but when you have a

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Speaker 1: general election with likely Trump and Biden on the ballot,

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Speaker 1: you may get a very different electorate. Another reason why

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Speaker 1: you may have a discrepancy between what's happening in these

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Speaker 1: special elections versus what the polls look like at this

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Speaker 1: point is, right now, the polls do not have.

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Speaker 4: What's called a likely voter screen.

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Speaker 1: They're just looking at everybody, all registered voters, and they

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Speaker 1: haven't started to factor in all right, but who's going

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Speaker 1: to actually show up and who's not going to show up?

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Speaker 1: So that could account for the difference. But it is

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Speaker 1: very interesting to note that when people have actually been

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Speaker 1: going to the polls and voting for candidates, Democrats have

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Speaker 1: on average been outperforming by about eleven points.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think all these points are very valid.

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Speaker 2: I think the only reason why we should all zero

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Speaker 2: in as you said, is they've been especially predictive, and

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Speaker 2: look in retrospect, they were one of the most predictive

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Speaker 2: things of what was to come in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two midterm elections. And also, I mean, the real thing

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Speaker 2: is is that I believe very strong that one of

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Speaker 2: the problems with polls is that they are unable to

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Speaker 2: account for massive, small change, massive changes in a very

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Speaker 2: short period of time. So one of the reasons that

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Speaker 2: the polls were completely wrong in twenty sixteen is that

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Speaker 2: Trump activated a ton of people who just had never

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Speaker 2: voted before, and so pollsters had not built that into

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Speaker 2: their model. All of these white working class voters crawled

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Speaker 2: out of the would work, they hadn't voted since Ronald Reagan,

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Speaker 2: and decided to come out to vote for Trump. The

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Speaker 2: same thing happened with abortion. A lot of people who

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Speaker 2: never voted before, never cared about electoral politics, crawled out

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Speaker 2: of the would work and decided to vote. Also, even amongst

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Speaker 2: people who do vote, these were people who increased their

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Speaker 2: voting percentage. So, as you said, I even if you

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Speaker 2: increase college educated voters who usually come out to vote,

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Speaker 2: let's say sixty whatever percent they're voting in eighty ninety percent.

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Speaker 2: That's why some of these were happening. Well, that still

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Speaker 2: represents a big change in the election. I think that

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Speaker 2: these special elections are so indicative for that reason that,

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Speaker 2: especially when we're living through such crazy times, nobody and

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Speaker 2: to pid the level of voter turnout.

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Speaker 3: That we saw in twenty twenty or twenty twenty yea,

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Speaker 3: that was.

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Speaker 2: Massive, then everyone's like, uh, damn's gonna get blown out midterms.

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Speaker 3: They always follow the script.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the aftermath of COVID, all this insanity

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Speaker 2: and the dobbs, it's like, who boom, we have just

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Speaker 2: had a big election. I think we'll probably have just

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Speaker 2: as big. A one big voter turnout is usually a

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Speaker 2: bad sign, at least right now for Republicans, because it

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Speaker 2: just means newer voters who are entering the fray. Why

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Speaker 2: in this moment would you be new to voting For

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Speaker 2: a lot of reasons, it's abortion, and if abortion skews

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Speaker 2: dramatically towards Democrats, so it's a big flashing red sign

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Speaker 2: I think for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: I've also seen some data to indicate that young voters

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Speaker 1: zoomers and young millennials have really been surging to the polls,

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Speaker 1: I guess your elections, and obviously that benefits Democrats, and

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Speaker 1: I do think that there is a direct line between

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Speaker 1: that and Trump, but also largely abortion. Now the other

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Speaker 1: side of it is, listen, the midterms did not have

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump on the ballot, and the you know, the

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen midterms did not have Donald Trump on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: Also when Democrats did very well, Donald Trump likely is

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Speaker 1: going to be on the ballot this time around. So

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Speaker 1: does that bring back the dynamics we had in the

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Speaker 1: past where the polls then under state Republican support. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea at this point, but I will say

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important to take note of this

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Speaker 1: data because the polls we've seen misses at this point

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Speaker 1: in both directions on the polls, but when people actually

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Speaker 1: have to show up to vote, I think taking note

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Speaker 1: of that voter behavior may actually be more indicative of

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Speaker 1: the direction that we're heading in. With a million caveats,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what the economy is going to be like,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what the war in Ukraine is going

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01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: to be like. We don't know what inflation is going

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: to be like, we don't know what Trump's trials are

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: going to be like, we don't know. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a million factors between now and then, not to mention,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are going to be things that are

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Speaker 1: that happened that we have no concept of right now

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Speaker 1: and could not possibly name, even as a potential chaos

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Speaker 1: X factor. So a million caveats. But this is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Let me put another one as a former Kentucky resident

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Speaker 1: who's kind of obsessed with Kentucky politics. One of the

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Speaker 1: few states that has elections on the ballot this year.

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Speaker 1: Virginia also has legislative elections on the ballot this year,

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Speaker 1: but Kentucky's electing a governor this year. Now, back bear

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Speaker 1: with me for a minute. Back in twenty fifteen, the

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Speaker 1: year before Trump is elected, Kentucky had what ended up

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Speaker 1: being a very canary in the coal mine kind of election.

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Speaker 4: Now, people nationally.

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Speaker 1: They have this conception of Kentucky as a red state.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of true, but at the state level back

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Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, actually Democrats still held the state House

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Speaker 1: and they held the governorship. So the Kentucky Democratic candidate

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Speaker 1: for governor was significantly in the seem to have large margins,

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Speaker 1: seemed to be beating the Republican nominee god by the

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Speaker 1: name of Matt Bevan by a large amount. Bevan was

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Speaker 1: this kind of like Trumpian businessman, kind of a character,

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01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: and out of nowhere there was a low turnout election

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: and Bevin massively outperforms the polls and ends up sweeping

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Speaker 1: into power, even though this was very unexpected in Kentucky politics. Okay,

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01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: so ends up being a bellweather then for Trump precipitates,

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01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, Trump coming into twenty sixteen. Okay, so this

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: time around, you have an incumbent Democratic governor, a guy

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Speaker 1: by the name of Andy Basheer, who surprisingly is actually,

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Speaker 1: even as a Democrat in red state, one of the

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Speaker 1: most popular governors in the entire country. And he's running

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Speaker 1: against a Mitch McConnell protege by the name of Daniel Cameron,

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01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: who's currently the ag Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is poles. Take it with a grain of salt.

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01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: They could be just as wrong as they were last

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Speaker 1: time in Kentucky. But every pole that has come out

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Speaker 1: of this race in recent months has had Andy Basheer leading,

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01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: the Democrat leading, and actually by a quite significant margin.

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: So this one, this is an internal pole. So I

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01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: always take those with a grain of salt, but it

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Speaker 1: actually reflects similar margin to what we've seen in other polls,

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Speaker 1: and it has Andy Basheer up on on Daniel Cameron

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01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: by a margin of nine points and he's over fifty percent.

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: It's fifty one percent to forty two percent, again in

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01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: the relatively read state of Kentucky. So if this result holds,

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Speaker 1: that would be another thing to take a look at.

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Speaker 1: The other survey that was taken the summer had Andy

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01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: Wassheer leading Dan Cameron by eight points. So even though

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Speaker 1: this is an internal it seems to track with some

1358
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: of the other polling that is out there. So that

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: is another one, another potential bell weather to watch, which

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01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: has been indicative at other times in the past. Now

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: it's not the end all be all again, a million

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: things can happen. You got Donald Trump on the ticket,

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01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: who is a wild card in and of himself. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting to take note of what

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Speaker 1: is happening when voters are actually showing up at the polls.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, of course, that was the most indicative

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01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: thing of the polls, and it's why we have to

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01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: zero in on it. And when you see a Republican underperformance,

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01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: it's still a big problem, especially in state like Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's also smart for Bashir to be talking

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Speaker 2: about abortion all the time. We already know from that

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Speaker 2: law that went up for a referendum in the state

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01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: of Kentucky that even in a deep red state, what

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01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: in Trump went by like thirty points or something outrageous

1375
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: like that, T twenty thirty points just blown out of

1376
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 2: the water.

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Speaker 3: They still can't get it past the finish line.

1378
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: So it also a lot of people, as I was

1379
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: talking about, who don't traditionally vote, came out to vote

1380
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: for that one. They came out to vote in Michigan,

1381
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 2: in Ohio, Kansas, and the story is.

1382
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Speaker 3: Over and over and over and over again on the

1383
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: same thing.

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Speaker 2: So any politician who's attached to that cause is the

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01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: best possible thing that you can do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andy Cher is running a brutal right now, did

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Speaker 1: you watch it about abortion? It's this young girl who

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: is straight to camera and you know, she's the picture

1389
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: of the you know, white all American girl talking about

1390
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Speaker 1: the fact that she, at twelve years old, was raped

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01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: and that Dan Cameron would have forced her to have

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Speaker 1: that baby.

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Speaker 4: It is brutal and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, again, just shows you even in a state like Kentucky,

1395
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: which is very religious, very culturally conservative, Even in Kentucky,

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01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: this issue is a killer for Republicans, and the Democratic

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Speaker 1: governor is making as much out of it as they

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Speaker 1: possibly can.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, all right, sagary looking.

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Speaker 3: At well, who is a journalist?

1401
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: Not that long ago? Actually not that hard to answer

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: that question. They work for a news outlet.

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01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 3: Easy.

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01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: But around nineteen ninety six, when the Internet really began

1405
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: to take off and user generated content slowly began to

1406
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: eat into the attention span of Americans, it started to

1407
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: become not so easy.

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01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 3: Is someone who just posts something that happened to them?

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Speaker 3: Is that person a journalist? It's a tough question.

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Speaker 2: A tougher question is this, Well, we have well enshrined

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01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 2: rights as journalists here in the United States. Should those rights,

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Speaker 2: as expressed in the Constitution and subsequent case law apply

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 2: to that person. I've always aired on the side of yes.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I err on the side of even if

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: you're not a journalist, and don't even consider yourself one,

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01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: I believe that if you're an everyday citizen, but then

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01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: you produce an act of journalism like Let's say you're

1418
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: in public and something happens and you post about it,

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01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: it should still apply to you for that instance. This

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01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: is still the fight of our time, especially with the

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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: rise of the Internet and non institutional media. And the

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01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: reason it matters today is how these people are treated

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: by the LAE law, as expressed in a troubling new

1424
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: verdict here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: Concerning January sixth.

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Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 2: Stephen her Horn is a twenty three year old North

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01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: Carolina resident. He was just found guilty of four misdemeanors

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01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: in federal court in Washington relating to charges of having

1430
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Speaker 2: entered the US Capitol on January sixth. Horn's case is

1431
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 2: different from others because he has claimed since January sixth

1432
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: he was a journalist documenting the event rather than a protester.

1433
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: Horn's case has garnered scrutiny ever since the day of

1434
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: the attack, when he posted video to his Facebook page

1435
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: documenting the event with the captain quote, I was in

1436
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: DC today when the Capitol was stormed. Horn did not

1437
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: try to actually hide his presence in the attack. He

1438
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 2: followed up with footage with that was a post on

1439
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: January seventh, twenty twenty one, Here's what he wrote, quote,

1440
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: I was in DC today the Capitol was stormed. This

1441
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,959
Speaker 2: is the full unedited footage that I took. He adds quote,

1442
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 2: this was not a peaceful protest. I saw many instances

1443
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 2: of pushing against police officers, as well as at least

1444
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: one instance where a barrage of projectiles was thrown. At

1445
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: the end, he says this quote, I did not enter

1446
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: the Capitol building as part of the protest or for

1447
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: cheap thrills, but to document and accurately record a significant

1448
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: event which was taking place. Feel free to share, download,

1449
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: repost his video or any clip from it. The footage

1450
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: was from video that was taken by a helmet cam

1451
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: that he was wearing at the time. Now, DC prosecutors

1452
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: have argued Horn is a sham journalist, that he invented

1453
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 2: the excuse the day after the attack to avoid criminal charges.

1454
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: Their argument is that the footage doesn't even show him

1455
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: trying to ask questions of people at the attack, and

1456
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: the footage was actually not even that good that I

1457
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: don't disagree with. They zoomed in on, particularly on a

1458
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: photo of him standing atop in Abraham Lincoln statue with

1459
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: a camera that was pointed at the crowd in selfie fashion.

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Speaker 2: The defense, however, argued a different story. They noted that

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Speaker 2: the entire footage does not show him ever participating in

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01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 2: any stop to steal chance. They show that he was

1463
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: never an aggressive towards law enforcement. He did not destroy

1464
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: or participate in any destruction of property. In fact, public

1465
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: record himself shows that Horn turned himself in after the

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01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: FBI wanted to question him in relation to the incident,

1467
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: and he even shared all of his footage with the

1468
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: FBI so they could identify other people involved in the attack.

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01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 2: Since the event, Horn has produced a documentary on January

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Speaker 2: sixth with an expansive list of tactical failures, the timeline

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Speaker 2: perspectives on crowd control, and despite his defense in the

1472
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: expansive firstmen of protections provided to journalists under US law,

1473
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: the jury took only hours to convict him of the

1474
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 2: following entering or remaining in a restricted area, disorderly or

1475
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: disruptive conduct in a restricted area, disorderly conduct in a

1476
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 2: capitol building, parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a capitol building.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, this is a major miscarriage of justice

1478
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: for several reasons. Number one is obvious the federal prosecutors

1479
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 2: here sought to cross the line of firstmen of protections

1480
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: to go after someone who, all evidence shows, did not

1481
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 2: engage in any egregious activity in the Capitol except for entering.

1482
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: If he was a normal citizen, it would be a

1483
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: different matter. But considering the decent enough evidence here that

1484
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: he genuinely was producing acts of journalism and has since

1485
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: committed set acts, it was not worth bringing charges and

1486
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 2: going to trial over such a matter. To be clear,

1487
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 2: I am not saying if you murder someone and then

1488
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: say it was for a documentary, you shouldn't be charged.

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying here that, considering how blurry the line is,

1490
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: and considering how many dozens of journalists that were present

1491
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: within the capital on that day, that establishing a precedent

1492
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 2: like this one makes it more difficult, not less, to

1493
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 2: conduct journalism from this day forward. In fact, one of

1494
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 2: the arguments that DC prosecutors made was that Horne was

1495
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,520
Speaker 2: not credentialed. This is an insulting and an antiquated consideration

1496
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 2: of journalism.

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01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 3: Think of it.

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Speaker 2: Of some of the most monumental footage that you have

1499
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 2: seen taken in the last decade, very very little of

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01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 2: it comes from credential journalists. They come from citizens in

1501
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: the wild who upload that content for the world to see.

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01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: The act must be predected at all costs. Here it

1503
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: is clear the FED sought to make a statement that

1504
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: crossing into the Capitol building is so awful that it

1505
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: is worth impeding on First Amendment case law.

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01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 3: What do you think, Crystal?

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01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not particularly sympathetic to this

1508
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: guy because it's a tough one.

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01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: It's a tough case because here's the thing that gets

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: me is he'd ever done anything, Like you've never done anything.

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01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: He'd never produced any journalism before, and so it does

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01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: feel very convenient.

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01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 4: And he was, you know, he was on.

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01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: Facebook, he was like supporting stop this deal groups and whatever.

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01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: So it does feel very convenient that the day after

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01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm a journalist, guys, here's my journalistic footage.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a tough one.

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01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: I think it's tough that said, like, look, if he

1520
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 2: had beat somebody, if he had destroyed property, I'd say.

1521
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, then that makes it much clear more clearly,

1522
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,440
Speaker 1: because those are you know, those are separate crimes.

1523
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 4: But even if you are like you're not allowed to

1524
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 4: beat people up if you're a journal exactly right.

1525
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think it's really a difficult one because,

1526
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: like I said, the thing that really sticks with me

1527
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: is he'd never done anything like this before.

1528
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 3: If I had to guess, he probably did invent it.

1529
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 2: But I still don't even care because I think that

1530
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: the fact is is that you if you.

1531
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: How do you, though, keep from having a principle that

1532
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: anyone can just like bring a camera and then commit

1533
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: a crime and then pretend to at to the fact like,

1534
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: oh it was all for journalism.

1535
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing it's about it. It depends on

1536
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: the saveria of the crime and like what it was.

1537
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 2: So if he had destroyed a structure, if he whatever,

1538
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: Like what is trespassing, We're talking about a misdemeanor entree

1539
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 2: charge here, like more separate one unrestricted ground. I mean,

1540
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: that's basically making it so that if you don't have

1541
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: a press For example, I don't have a press pass, okay,

1542
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 2: so when I have to go, I have to get

1543
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: a visitors pass. So let's say I didn't do that properly.

1544
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 2: But while I'm there, I'm like filming something, you know.

1545
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 2: I mean, look, nobody would, but they could. And that's

1546
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 2: one of those work with you.

1547
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be much more clear cut here

1548
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: you like we do with show. It's just why prior

1549
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: works of journalism and so it wasn't just an after the.

1550
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 3: I don't disagree.

1551
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: I still believe in the most expansive protection for the

1552
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: exact reason of always there will be the educase. And

1553
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: on the EDU case, we should side on the side

1554
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: of the First Amendment, especially whenever we're talking about misdemeanor.

1555
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: We're not talking about destruction. We're talking about you know,

1556
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 2: some bs trespassing here. Look, he probably invented it, to

1557
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 2: be honest, I really do. I really think he probably

1558
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: invented it.

1559
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 3: That's it. I don't care.

1560
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: I think that the precedent that's being set here is

1561
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 2: bad enough that it's like we shouldn't we shouldn't be

1562
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: bringing this charge. If he's a quanon shaman or whatever,

1563
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 2: that's a whole other matter, right, But like, even on that,

1564
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: it's like going to the length of a trial just

1565
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: to set a precedent for this.

1566
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 3: I don't know that that seems like on their I.

1567
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: Mean, think about how many people came out of Ferguson, right,

1568
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 2: who were I mean, they were right in the middle

1569
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 2: of it, Guys like Tim Poole or I forget some

1570
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 2: of the others. There's a lot of journalists today actually

1571
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: who made their name on for Not one of them

1572
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: were credential. They were just people with YouTube channels. Yeah,

1573
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:25,879
Speaker 2: and they were caught up in the melee.

1574
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: The credential piece is obviously complete bullshit, right, But there's

1575
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: the additionalists on there who are But I mean, to me,

1576
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: the most compelling argument is like it's a low like

1577
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: since it's an edge case and it's this low level

1578
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: misdemeanor trespassing, it's like, all right, do we really want

1579
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: to set this back? That's to me the most compelling.

1580
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: But do I actually believe this guy that he was

1581
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: there for Johnalis purposes? No?

1582
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 3: Not really. I don't believe them, Crystal, What are you

1583
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 3: taking a look at?

1584
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 4: Well?

1585
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: A new poll reveals that as autoworkers have gone and

1586
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: strike against the big three car companies, the public is

1587
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly on their side. Courty Morning Console. Only eight teen

1588
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: percent of Americans oppose the autoworker strike, in contrast to

1589
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: the solid majority fifty four percent who explicitly support it.

1590
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: The rest are not sure. These numbers put opposition to

1591
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: the strike at about the same level of popularity as

1592
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: complete abortion bans and defunding the police. In other words,

1593
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: getting on the wrong side of this strike is politically moronic.

1594
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,480
Speaker 1: Post pandemic Americans have become incredibly clear about their disgust

1595
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: for corporate greed and their support for the workers who

1596
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: our nation relies on every single day just to function.

1597
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: So I've been watching with great amusement as many Republicans

1598
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: have just gone ahead and stuck with their same old

1599
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: Reagan era anti union rhetoric, while also accidentally kind of

1600
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: making Joe Biden sound way more amazing on unions than

1601
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: he actually is.

1602
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 4: Just take a listen.

1603
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 16: It tells you that when you have the most pro

1604
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 16: union president and he teuts that he is emboldening the unions,

1605
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 16: this is what you get. And I'll tell you who

1606
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 16: pays for it is the taxpayers. You know here, from

1607
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 16: what I understand, the union is asking for a forty

1608
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 16: percent race. You know, the companies have come back with

1609
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,440
Speaker 16: a twenty percent raise. I think any of the taxpayers

1610
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 16: would love to have a twenty percent raise and think

1611
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 16: that's great. But you know the problem is this is

1612
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 16: gonna we're all going to suffer from this. This is

1613
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 16: going to cost things to go up, and you know

1614
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 16: this is going to last a while. But you know,

1615
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,799
Speaker 16: when you have a president that's constantly saying, go union,

1616
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 16: go union, this is what you get. The unions get

1617
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 16: emboldened and then they start asking for things that you

1618
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 16: know that companies have a tough time doing. And so

1619
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 16: I don't think government should get involved in this. These

1620
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 16: are private sector matters. But I do think the tone

1621
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 16: of how a president talks about unions and how a

1622
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 16: president emboldens them does play a role in this, and

1623
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 16: we're seeing what Biden has done play a role in this.

1624
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 15: I think Brunald Rayton game is a great example when

1625
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 15: federal voice side there must write that you strike your fire.

1626
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 15: Civil concept to me to extend that we can use

1627
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 15: that once again. Absolutely. The second thing I would do, though,

1628
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 15: is very important.

1629
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 17: This is a.

1630
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 15: Probably not a well known fact.

1631
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 17: The first thing part of the challenge that we have

1632
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 17: today with President Biden is I don't mean this would

1633
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 17: be disingenuous, I mean this would be sincere. I'm not

1634
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 17: sure if the words are bought and paid for but

1635
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 17: it certainly he has been leased by the unions. And

1636
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 17: I say that because the first bill he passed, y'all

1637
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 17: remember the one point nine trillion dollars COVID relief backage,

1638
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 17: I only had one percent for COVID vaccines and had

1639
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 17: eighty six billion dollars I believe for union pensions because

1640
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 17: they keep making these deals and as a result of

1641
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,839
Speaker 17: the deal, they promised too much, deliver too.

1642
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 15: Little, and the tax payers pick.

1643
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 17: Up the tab.

1644
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 18: All of this stuff, These strikes, these UAW strikes again

1645
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 18: all right, just part of a broader whole picture here,

1646
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 18: which is that the unions have paid off Joe Biden,

1647
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 18: the no credit part for literally decades on end, and

1648
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 18: finally they got their man in the White House, the

1649
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 18: most pro union president since Barack Obama, and probably more

1650
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 18: pro union even than Barack Obama, who's too elitist. Joe

1651
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 18: Biden has been in the pocket of the union since

1652
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 18: day one in Wilmington, Delaware. Well, now all of these

1653
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 18: unions are seeing their moment to shine. It is amazing

1654
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 18: how we can keep relearning the same lessons over and

1655
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 18: over and over again.

1656
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, by the way, goes on to probably describe

1657
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: herself as a union buster. Tim Scott, as you heard there,

1658
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: apparently thinks that all workers exercising their rights to take

1659
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: collective action should just be summarily fired. No wonder these

1660
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: two are big donor favorites in a way. I actually

1661
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: they'll kind of appreciate the anti worker clarity of their

1662
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: message as opposed to Trump wants to signal symbolic support

1663
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: for workers in spite of the fact that his administration

1664
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: was stuffed with aggressive union busters, which fits with his

1665
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: business track record also as an aggressive union buster. But Haley,

1666
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: Scott and Shapiro here are giving Biden an accidental assists

1667
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: when they basically accept his rhetoric of being the most

1668
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: pro union president in history. This is, of course a

1669
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: wild overstatement, is true, Biden is way more pro union

1670
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: Barack Obama or any other president in my lifetime, as

1671
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: Nationhal Labor Relations Board has been phenomenal as his his

1672
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 1: rhetoric on this particular strike. But I am quite sure

1673
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: it will come as a surprise to Sean Fain and

1674
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: a lot of other union workers and leadership that Biden

1675
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: is a quote one hundred percent union shill. After all,

1676
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: the UAW has withhold held their endorsement over frustration that

1677
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: EVE incentives for new factories did not include requirements that

1678
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: those jobs be union. They might also want to talk

1679
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: to the rail workers who saw the White House work

1680
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: with rail bosses to cram down a deal that blocked

1681
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: their ability to strike. So, yeah, he is better than Obama.

1682
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: He is better than Clinton. He is wildly better than Trump,

1683
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: w Bush, or Reagan. But he could do a hell

1684
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: of a lot more than he has done. This commentary

1685
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: also completely denies workers any power agency. It was not

1686
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: Joe Biden who voted to authorize these strikes. It was

1687
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: rank and file workers who elected Sean Fain because of

1688
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: his more militant approach and voted almost unanimously to go

1689
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 1: out on this strike. These workers bailed on the automakers

1690
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. They have every reason in

1691
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: demand that their jobs do decent jobs at a time

1692
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: when automakers are turning massive profits and issuing billions in

1693
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: stock buybacks. After all, these companies have spent sixty six

1694
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: billion dollars in stock buybacks and dividends over the past

1695
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: ten years. Corton Robert Reich. This would be enough to

1696
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: hand out four hundred and forty thousand dollars to every

1697
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 1: single one of the striking autoworkers. So spare me your

1698
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: tiers for the billionaires and their multiinational corporations here now,

1699
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: for Haley and Scott, this is just kind of knee

1700
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: jerk Reagan Republicanism. It's like a doll that you pull

1701
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: a string and Chamber of Commerce anti union talking points

1702
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: come out.

1703
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 4: For Ben Shapiro, though he lays on.

1704
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: A lengthier ideological argument, he's clearly thought a lot more

1705
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: about this for why unions are always bad and had

1706
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 1: nothing to do ever with American middle class prosperity. Trashing

1707
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: as adults, anyone who thinks otherwise, take a listen.

1708
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 18: All adults who suggest that it's unions that made American

1709
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 18: light so wonderful during the nineteen fifties nineteen sixties. It

1710
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 18: was the union job, the union job where you sat

1711
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 18: there for ten hours a day doing riveting or whatever.

1712
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 18: And neglect the fact that a lot of those jobs

1713
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 18: you know now is use sitting in an air conditioned

1714
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 18: office doing another kind of job, and that your grandfather,

1715
01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 18: who had to sit out there in the fact for

1716
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 18: doing the riveting, would kill for your job. Right now,

1717
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 18: put that aside, The fact is that the real reason

1718
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 18: America boom during the nineteen fifties is because every other

1719
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 18: place on Earth was on fire during the nineteen forties.

1720
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: So, first of all, I don't think anyone suggesting that

1721
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: blue collar work is easier or more desirable than cushy

1722
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: office jobs. On the contrary, the fact that autoworkers are

1723
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: doing demanding, difficult, physically taxing jobs only makes the case

1724
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: stronger for good pay and good benefits. But the evidence

1725
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: on unions helping and build American dream, it's really pretty indisputable.

1726
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: This chart right here, this says it all. So the

1727
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: blue line is union density, which has been on a

1728
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: steady decline since the nineteen seventies. The red line is

1729
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: middle class share of income low and behold as union's

1730
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 1: lost power and traction in our economy, the middle class

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Speaker 1: fell off a cliff. More accurately, they were pushed off

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Speaker 1: a cliff. Today, even with union power at a low EBB,

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01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: they still benefit not only their own membership, but all

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Speaker 1: workers within industries which are significantly unionized. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: non unionized FedEx workers benefit from the fact that UPS

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Speaker 1: is unionized. Tesla workers are likely to benefit from the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Big Three are unionized. A recent Treasure

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Speaker 1: report actually analyzed these impacts and found union workers on

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Speaker 1: average earn twenty percent more than their non union counterparts,

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Speaker 1: and that non union workers share in a spillover effect

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Speaker 1: of increased wages themselves. Interestingly, they also find union membership

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Speaker 1: is associated with some of the civic values that can

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Speaker 1: serve as like Ben say they care a lot about

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Speaker 1: Union members are more likely to vote, They're more likely

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Speaker 1: to buy a house, to donate to charity, to attend

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Speaker 1: community meetings, to volunteer, and to participate in neighborhood projects.

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Speaker 1: That all makes a lot of sense. When you earn

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Speaker 1: a good wage and you don't have to work a

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Speaker 1: second or third job, you've got more time and mental

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Speaker 1: energy for that type of civic engagement. Still think that

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Speaker 1: only adults would believe that unions help build the two

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Speaker 1: parent white picket fence broadly shared prosperity that conservatives in

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Speaker 1: particular harken back to One thing I'm appreciating about this

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Speaker 1: strike is how it creates a kind of political clarity.

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Speaker 1: It's all fine and good to say vague things about

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Speaker 1: the working class, but when the chips are down, what

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Speaker 1: do you say, and more importantly, what do you actually do?

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Speaker 1: We all know American workers cannot depend on the political

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Speaker 1: class to have their backs and cut them in on

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Speaker 1: the incredible prosperity of this nation. And that is why

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Speaker 1: unions are so incredibly essential, because they give workers the

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Speaker 1: ability to fight for themselves and to win in a prosperous,

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Speaker 1: empowered working class could actually make America great again.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was very interesting to see, and

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