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Speaker 1: All the latest from the Olympics, with Team USA off

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Speaker 1: in Chris Haynes' career. And we've even got some Paul

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Speaker 1: George talk, Paul George and Chris Haynes on the Fresno

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Speaker 1: edition of This League Uncut.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to this League Uncut in the rule of twenty

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Speaker 2: four hour NBA news, this news you'll Chris Haynes, it's

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Speaker 2: go time, work's time, it's some time. This League Uncut

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Speaker 2: is underway, in on fire. This should be a good one.

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's been a minute. We are back together,

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Speaker 1: all three of us back together. Chris Haynes, Mark Stein here,

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Speaker 1: Producer Ryan is here. We have not done a pod.

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Speaker 1: We had to deal with summer league. We did the

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Speaker 1: pod with modest buzzellis from the Chicago Bulls, but then

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Speaker 1: Chris and I had pretty divergent summer league schedules. But

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Speaker 1: we are reconnected here ready to go. In the midst

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Speaker 1: As I said, Olympics fully underway. But Chris Haynes, it's

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Speaker 1: just your pictures cutting in and out for some reason.

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Speaker 1: Must be some bad wi fi. But it's good to

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Speaker 3: It's good to be what you started as well. I

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Speaker 3: know you're in Dallas and I'm here in Chicago at

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Speaker 3: the National Association of Black Journalist convention that I attend

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Speaker 3: every year.

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Speaker 1: So getting ready to host the second most anticipated panel

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Speaker 3: What was the first?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I'm really I'm really intriguing. How

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Speaker 1: I really hope somebody posts the video from the art

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Speaker 1: of the live shot that you'll be hosting.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thanks for the shutout start. Yes, that's the pedal

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Speaker 3: looking for you ready, I am ready start. It should

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Speaker 3: be really good. It was. It was a hit last year,

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Speaker 3: tt Space Space Tournament. I don't play space. I don't

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Speaker 1: But what does that mean hosting? What is hosting? What

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Speaker 3: Basically just getting things in order, explaining the rules to

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Speaker 3: keeping everybody engaged throughout throughout. So it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Is it fancy dress?

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Speaker 3: No, I would dress down. It's fancy dress all day today,

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Speaker 3: but I would dress down today. Sorry. When I when

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Speaker 1: I can, But I thought we were talking the Olympics, Okay, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: Play in the second game, okay.

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Speaker 1: By Jason Tatum didn't play in the first game. Now,

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Speaker 3: Okay, So with that being said, they're expected to go

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Speaker 1: So it was expectations are so high. This roster is

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. This is one of those rare times

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Speaker 3: Steve Kurr took a lot of criticism for not playing

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Speaker 3: I don't think that says Steve Curr's mind. I think

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Speaker 1: And in his mind, it's only one thing win, win

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Speaker 3: So you're saying that Tatum starting in game two had

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Speaker 3: Listen, I can. I can buy into your premise line

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Speaker 3: I do not buy it because you know what, Kevin

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Speaker 3: Okay, are they bringing them in as a second unit

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Speaker 1: Do you think Duran? Look, we anything is possible against

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Speaker 3: because Durant is going to kill the I think what

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's it, stime. Listen, I don't personally do

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Speaker 1: We're recording this way too close to Ryan Shift as

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Speaker 3: Producer Ryan should feel disrespected right now. We always bring

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Speaker 1: He's he's loving this all right, Well we will again.

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Speaker 1: The United States is only two games into its Olympic campaign. Saturday,

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Speaker 1: And for South Sudan, that game was their super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: move a little bit closer to home, because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: with the knockout round starting Tuesday, we still will have

435
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Speaker 1: more than one chance to talk Olympic hoops. You tell

436
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Speaker 1: me what was the standout story for you? Is it

437
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Speaker 1: Jared Allen getting a big contract extension in Cleveland? Tias Jones,

438
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Speaker 1: that's a great signing for Phoenix. Great and you were

439
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Speaker 1: the you how many times on this pod have you

440
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: been calling for the Suns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great signing, great signing. If they finally listened, I

442
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: mean the coaches staff, they've wanted a point guard for

443
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: the longest. It was all always management that felt that

444
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: they can do it out. So they finally come to

445
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: terms with the fact that that position is very important today.

446
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: Is stunning, though, truly stunning that I mean Tias Jones

447
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: and Gary Trent for the.

448
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Speaker 3: Minimum Yeah, yeah, yeah, did not did not see that

449
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: coming at all. But the most surprising I'm going to

450
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: go against the Greenstein and not pick any of those

451
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Speaker 3: selections you mentioned, I'm going to go with the retirement

452
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Speaker 3: of Gordon Hayward. Gordon Hayward.

453
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Speaker 1: I was going to nominate him, but figured you would

454
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Speaker 1: not even wait for my nomination, old friend. Maybe. Now,

455
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Speaker 1: are you are you prepared to like tell us the

456
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Speaker 1: whole what happened story? Twenty Ryan? Producer? Ryan? Are you

457
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Speaker 1: do you know what we're talking about? Producer Ryan?

458
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Speaker 5: I am gonna find out along with the audience. So

459
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Speaker 5: I'm very much looking forward to this.

460
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Speaker 1: You don't, Okay. So it's the summer of twenty seventeen,

461
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Speaker 1: very early in free agency, and an ESPN reporter named

462
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Speaker 1: Chris Haynes reported, Now, I'm forgetting part of it was

463
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Speaker 1: that when he signed with Boston. Yeah, I couldn't remember

464
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Speaker 1: which team. An ESPN reporter named Chris Haynes broke the

465
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Speaker 1: news that Gordon Hayward was signing with the Boston Celtics.

466
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was leaving Utah at that time.

467
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Speaker 1: And yet within the walls of the same company based

468
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: in Bristol, Connecticut, came to report that there was no

469
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Speaker 1: done deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Am I remembering this correctly?

472
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Speaker 3: Nah? That was that was a real controversial moment. Probably

473
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Speaker 3: it's more conscious it wasn't more controversial than what we

474
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Speaker 3: dealt with here in ABJA in Chicago yesterday. But it

475
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: was definitely controversial. But with that being said, Starn, you know,

476
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Speaker 3: it was about a three to four hour window of

477
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Speaker 3: like just social media. That's when social media was fun.

478
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: It was fun. Social meid was so fun back in

479
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Speaker 3: the day. But they are attacking like who who, Who's

480
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: right is it? Is it Gordon Hayward's agent, is you

481
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: know putting this out there, you know, giving this to

482
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Speaker 3: reporters saying that Gordon Hayward hasn't made a decision. So

483
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: about three or four hours, I'm just on the roticifiary.

484
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: I am just getting cueued up on social media. They

485
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Speaker 3: are ripping me the shreds. And then about four hours later,

486
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Speaker 3: Gordon Hayward announces on the Player's Tribute, which I knew

487
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Speaker 3: that that's the way he wanted to announce it, that

488
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Speaker 3: he was going to Boston, so I will for and

489
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Speaker 3: then then you know I had to At that time

490
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Speaker 3: I found Ryan.

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Speaker 1: You don't remember what happened after that? Ryan? I thought

492
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Speaker 1: I thought you knew everything about us, producer.

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Speaker 6: Ryan, I don't remember that specific Saga tweeted out, I

494
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Speaker 6: do not remember, no, Chris Haynes, if my memory is correct,

495
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Speaker 6: Remember my memory is not what it used to be.

496
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Speaker 1: But if my memory is correct, Chris Haynes tweeted out

497
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Speaker 1: a picture of Hulk Hogan his ear. What you say

498
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Speaker 1: it now, as if to say, didn't I say this

499
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Speaker 1: four hours ago? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I had that. I had that in the drafts. I

501
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: had that picture in the drafts. I knew. I didn't

502
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: know if I was gonna be able to use it

503
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: that day, use it tomorrow the day after, but I

504
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: knew I was gonna tweet that I had that in

505
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Speaker 3: the drafts ready. So uh yeah, that was a very

506
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Speaker 3: tumultuous time for me. And uh I would do I

507
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Speaker 3: would do the same thing over again, the same way

508
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Speaker 3: that I did it. But I will forever be tied

509
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Speaker 3: to Gordon Hayward. So as he retires, I feel like

510
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: a little piece of me has retired as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna go that far Gordon Hayward.

512
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: This was a rough season obviously, had the mid season

513
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: trade to Oklahoma City. It did not go in Oklahoma

514
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: City the way he had hoped. He could not establish

515
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: the role there that was expected and I have to

516
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: admit I didn't think that that was the end. I

517
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: did expect him to give it at least one more

518
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: shot somewhere else. So I think it does classify as

519
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: a bit of a thunderbolt. When we saw Gordon Hayward's

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Speaker 1: announcement on social media. We're recording this on Thursday afternoon.

521
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Speaker 1: On Thursday morning, Gordon Hayward announces that he is leaving

522
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Speaker 1: the game.

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Speaker 3: I think I saw a graphic on social media that

524
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: now Paul George is the only player in the two

525
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: thousand and ten NBA draft class that is playing. That

526
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: is that's something else. That's John wall Is in that class,

527
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: It's Marcus Cousins, there was some that's that was a

528
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: pretty good class. So Paul George is a long person standing.

529
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Speaker 1: And then you do the math and realize that Lebron

530
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: James was drafted seven years before.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, when we think of two thousand and ten,

532
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Speaker 3: stein like, that doesn't seem like if you just say

533
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: it two thousand and ten, that doesn't seem that long ago.

534
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: We just say that was that was right right around

535
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Speaker 1: when you started, right.

536
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Speaker 3: I started two thousand and ten, correct, I started because

537
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: me and Paul George had classes together at Fresno State.

538
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, before I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah,

539
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: we had classes together.

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Speaker 1: You've never told that.

541
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Speaker 3: I told you that, stun and I did not.

542
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I know you guys went to Fresno State. I realize

543
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: you guys actually had classes together.

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Speaker 3: We played. I don't know if he remembers, but a

545
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: few times we played. We have we have a rec

546
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: center gym that's connected to the main basketball arena on

547
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: the campus of Presno State, and guys will go in

548
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: there and just play pick up. And one time I

549
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: played because Paul he wasn't viewed to be this type

550
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: of player, like there was no nobody envisioned him doing.

551
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: He only average like fourteen points in frontal State. So

552
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: we didn't see this at all. And so there was

553
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: a couple of times I played some pick up with him.

554
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: And at that time, I'm like twenty six, and so

555
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: Paul's probably twenty twenty six and Paul's are twenty probably,

556
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: and I wasn't giving him the business. I'm not going

557
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go that far. But he just didn't

558
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: impress me, Like he just didn't impress me. And so

559
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: I knew he was going to the league at that time.

560
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 3: My drafts had him as a first round pick. You know,

561
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: he's six eight six ninees long, so you know, you see,

562
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: he has all the he has all the tools, he

563
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: has the physique. I just didn't see this and so nah,

564
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: he definitely, he definitely took it to a next level

565
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: once he got to the league.

566
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Speaker 1: Can we get him on the pod and talk about

567
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: some open gym.

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00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: Run with He would not, he would not remember, But

569
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Speaker 3: I just remember because I'm like, this guy, man he

570
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: didn't do because I was like looking at him like

571
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: he people saying he's a first round pick. I'm like,

572
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: he averaged And this is the front of state that

573
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: basketball team was bad like this is. This wasn't the

574
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: Jerry Tarkanian days. The head coach back.

575
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: Then was the name of Adams days.

576
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 3: It wasn't. It wasn't iron Way yeah way. Well after

577
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: the Ron Adams day, this was Steve Cleveland. He was

578
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: the head coach and he used to be the head

579
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 3: coach of BYU I believe as well, but they didn't.

580
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 4: They didn't.

581
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: They had a brother by the name of Greg Smith

582
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: who went to my high school, Edison High School. He

583
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: played he played in Houston Houston Rockets for he had

584
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: a couple of team in the league, but the team

585
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: was bad. The team was bad, and so no, I

586
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: didn't have high expectations for him, but he definitely exceeded

587
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: those for sure. But he will not remember playing. I

588
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 3: doubt he remember. And I played. So I played against

589
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: Fredo State when I played at Fresdent Pacific University the

590
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: year before Paul got there. So I had just missed

591
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 3: playing against him.

592
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing that was the number one game on

593
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: the Pacific game.

594
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: Yes it was, Yes, it was. I couldn't wait, stein,

595
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: I couldn't wait to play, to step on that arena,

596
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: to say mart Center, but play against Fresno State, Oh star,

597
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 3: Oh you know what. My step line was a whop

598
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: in two rebounds, zero points. I don't think I shot

599
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: a shot in that game.

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Speaker 2: It was.

601
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 3: I think I froze up Steyn. I think I froze

602
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: up man. I was so pumped out crowd. No, I

603
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: wasn't a big crowd, but I was the only person

604
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: on my team from Fresno No. Two. It was two two,

605
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 3: it was two two, maybe three two or three, but uh,

606
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: I was so amped up and I think a little

607
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: bit too amped up, a little bit too amped up,

608
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: but uh, it happens. I tell you right now, you

609
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: give me the opportunity. Now I'm shooting more than way

610
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: more than zero shots that right now, way more we know.

611
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: Thank you?

612
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well this went way too fast, but

613
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: we had this window to sneak an episode in before

614
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: you host the TNT Spade because you're not playing in it.

615
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 3: That's good. I'm not trying to lose money. But no,

616
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: it's not that money is not involved. I'm just hosting,

617
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: making sure I'm the point guard, make sure everybody's in

618
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: their place, making sure everybody know how to rotate, because

619
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: you win, you got to rotate to another table. This

620
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: thing is six to nine. It's a three hour event.

621
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Speaker 3: So I'm doing that.

622
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Speaker 1: And then uh and on Friday morning, when this pod drops,

623
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Speaker 1: you will be speaking on the panel. The art of

624
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: the live.

625
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: Shot, Yes, the art of the live shot will we

626
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: give We'll have the room will be packed, and we'll

627
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 3: give people who are aspiring silent reporters, aspiring aspiring editors,

628
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 3: I mean field producers, will give them topics, uh sports

629
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 3: top and we'll give them a few minutes to formulate

630
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: a forty five second hit, and they're going to be

631
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: on TV. We got big screens in the room, so

632
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: they're actually going to be on TV. So they just

633
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 3: like they're doing the sideline report, they have to formulate

634
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: a forty five second bit. They do it, and then

635
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: I'm one of the panel of judges where we'll critique

636
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: them and tell them what they could have did better,

637
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 3: how you know, it will judge how they looked on camera,

638
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: if they looked away all that. It was really good.

639
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 3: It's really so. It was a big hit last year,

640
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: so I'm glad we're doing it again this summer.

641
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: All right, Well, the next time we get together, we

642
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: still have lots more to discuss. Of course, Lowry Marketing.

643
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: On August sixth, which is Tuesday, he becomes eligible for

644
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: a renegotiation and extension with Utah. The whole league dialed

645
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: in to see what happens there. Of course, we've also

646
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: covered this ground. If the extension happens all August seventh

647
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: or later, Lowry Marketing cannot be traded until after the

648
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four to twenty five season. If UTAH wants

649
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: to extend him but also keep him trade eligible this

650
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: coming season. They have to have a signed deal Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and then market in would be eligible to be traded

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Speaker 1: on February sixth. Jared Allen he's got his three year

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Speaker 1: extension with Cleveland worth more than ninety million, but the

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Speaker 1: belief there is that that will be signed and announced

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Speaker 1: Same principle. If for some reason that deal isn't signed

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Speaker 1: and announced until August seventh, Jared Allen would not be

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Speaker 1: trade eligible until after next season, but we should soon be.

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Speaker 1: We should soon be hearing and seeing that formally announced

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Speaker 1: by the CAZ. We've also got Brandon Ingram's trade future

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Speaker 1: to discuss, and once we get past the Olympics, we

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Speaker 1: can really start evaluating the East and the West and

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Speaker 1: how the conferences look going into the new season once

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Speaker 1: because really the bulk, the bulk of free agency is over.

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Speaker 1: Although again, like we said, we just saw Tyas Jones

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Speaker 1: go to the Suns unexpectedly, so there still might be

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Speaker 1: a surprise or two or three. We'll be ready for

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Speaker 1: those that's gonna do it for this edition of this league. Uncut.

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Speaker 1: Great to be back with you, guys, Chris Haynes, producer Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Great to be back with the both of you. Everyone. Remember,

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Speaker 1: please follow us, rate the show, review the show, and

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Speaker 1: we will be back with you. Why is Chris Haynes?

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Speaker 1: Chris Haynes, He looks like he has something on his mind.

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Speaker 1: He'll be one in the.

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Speaker 3: Iron Get ready to iron my pants? Just get ready

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Speaker 3: for the space turst Never mind me start all right.

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Speaker 1: We will be back with you again, very very soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everybody, and that'll do it for us.

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Speaker 2: See you next time.

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