1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calaan. Here's cal. 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: A sixty four year old mushroom forager had to be 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: rescued by the Coastguard after falling behind her foraging group 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: and getting lost along the southern Oregon coast. The woman 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: has not been identified, but she was eventually found sheltering 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: under a tree to keep warm after being lost in 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: the woods for two days. The search involved five separate 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: law enforcement and emergency management agencies, which deployed helicopters, ground crews, 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: and canine units to search for the missing forager. Thermal 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: cameras were unable to find her since she'd hidden under 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: a tree, but ground crews heard her shouting for help 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: after seeing the search and rescue helicopter. Proof that we 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: can't leave everything up to technology. Believe it or not, 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: it's pretty common for foragers to get lost in Oregon. 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: Oregon Live reports that three rescue efforts have been launched 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: just this fall, one of which lasted two days. Those 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: wild fun guy are just too tempting, take it from me, 19 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: and foragers don't always go out prepared for the elements. 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one time, I was racing a storm 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: back from picking morels in a fairly remote drainage in 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: the Bitter Range and jumped on a log, slipped, whacked 23 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: my head, saw stars. Mild concussion is what we'd call 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: it these days. Back then, we just called it getting 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: your bell rung. And I've always thought about how that 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: very well could have been the way I went out 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: all for the love of mushroom. It's unclear whether the 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: woman in Oregon was able to bring home any woodland delicacies, 29 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: but another foraging story, this one from the United Kingdom, 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: was quite a bit more successful. There, a twenty seven 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: year old woman found a giant, eleven pound puffball mushroom 32 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: that she says has fed her family for an entire week. 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: My arms are weak, but my spirit is strong, she 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: wrote on Instagram after carrying the giant fung guy home. 35 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: She says she's enjoying it to make schnitzel, curry, meatloaf, pasta, 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: and steak, though after a week of puffball mushroom slices, 37 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: she says she's getting a little sick of it. In 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: case you're wondering, and I know you are, the largest 39 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: mushroom fruiting body ever recorded was discovered in China in 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: twenty ten. There, two fellas found a specimen of Felonus 41 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: ellipso idiots, you can tell me how to really say 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: it by writing into ask cal at the meat eater 43 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: dot com that weighed a wopping one thousand pounds. This 44 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: species of mushroom grows on deadwood, has a hard woody texture, 45 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: and is not safe to eat. The largest mushroom organism 46 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: that is the part under the ground is the Urmilaria 47 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: ostoie mushroom that lives in Oregon's Maleahere National Forest. Covers 48 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: a wopping three and a half square miles and is 49 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: the world's largest living organism. How's that for trivia spencer 50 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: demon suckers. Here's another mushroom fact to amaze your friends 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: and confound your enemies. What we normally think of as 52 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: mushrooms are actually a mushroom plant's reproductive organs. The fruiting 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: body is what a mushroom uses to reproduce, but it 54 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,559 Speaker 1: also happens to be the bit we harvest and eat. 55 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: Just something to ruminate on the next time you bite 56 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: into a thick slice of puff ball. Or morell. This week, 57 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: we've got the barrel meters is dropping, which is a 58 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: bad joke. We'll get to you later, the crime desk, 59 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: an Australian report, and so much more. But first I'm 60 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: gonna tell you about my week. And my week well, 61 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: holy hell, kids, I just cannot hit the broadside of 62 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: a barn with a scatter gun right now. Just a 63 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: bizarre turn of events. I've stayed many times on this podcast. 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: Hunting pheasants is hard this time of year, and missing 65 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: them is just not acceptable. In fact, I often tell 66 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: people who join the Dog and I to watch how 67 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: hard the dog works, Watch how much ground she covers, 68 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: what she does in comparison to the humans that follow 69 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: her around. Snort does all this work. All you have 70 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: to do is be in a good shooting position and 71 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: kill the fricking bird. Just kill the bird in comparison. 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Not that much to ask, not that hard to what 73 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 1: the dog's doing. I'm, my friends, am not killing the bird. 74 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: I went as far as to call a landowner I 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: know who allows us to occasionally hunt the Russian olive 76 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: choked river corridor on his place. It's tough hunting. Not 77 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: many people want to do it. And we should have 78 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: limited out in the first hour, but instead ended at 79 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: the truck four hours later. God knows how many miles 80 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: on poor Snort with zero roosters in the bag. I'm 81 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: not getting my face down on the shotgun. I'm not 82 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: shooting from my toes. I'm being lazy. I know this, 83 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: but I'm having a very hard time rectifying my actions 84 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: getting back on the horse. S sure I've ever experienced 85 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: this type of slump for so long. We only have 86 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: a couple of walks left in the season, and I 87 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: have a really hard time pivoting to the ducks and 88 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: geese that are circling overhead without getting the proper rooster 89 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: fix in for the season. So you know, right in, 90 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: let us know how you can help. This is the 91 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: first official podcast of the New Year. I hope the 92 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: new year is going well for everybody. As you know, 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: on our schedule, we tend to pre record these episodes, 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: so I'm actually sitting here pre Christmas telling you to 95 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: have a great new year, and I'm hoping by the 96 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: new year, I'm dropping ducks and geese left and right 97 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: because I've worked out of my shooting slump on the 98 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: wiley roosters freezer fill in season. So right in, let 99 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: me know what you want to do in the new year, 100 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: conservation wise, hunting wise, fishing wise. For this new year, 101 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: new year, we all have room to improve, I sure do. 102 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: I hope to participate at both the state and federal level, 103 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: representing both my and ideally the hunting angling conservation communities 104 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: views on you know, how we manage wildlife in the 105 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: state of Montana at the state level, what you know, 106 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: cow's we can review. Listeners want out of the federal 107 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: government in regards to forestry planning, travel management, fish and 108 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: wildlife regulations, all those things. So another thing that I'm 109 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: thinking about here is, you know, we've always talked about 110 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: doing these meat eater experiences, right So, like we went 111 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: to Louisiana to do some fishing, we went to foul Planes, 112 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: Kansas to do some bird hunting. Super fun trip, super awesome, 113 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: great people turned out. If you'd have any interest in 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: making a lap out to Washington, d C. To lobby 115 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: on behalf of good conservation or possibly to remind our 116 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: elected officials why you know that plan or this plan 117 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: or you know something in the future is not a 118 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: good idea, Please let me know and maybe we can 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: put something together. There's gonna be plenty of opportunity, as 120 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: everybody knows from listening to the Weekend Review. The big 121 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: goal here right is to get people informed, have some 122 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: fun listening to some good stories, but also just motivate 123 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: you to write in, call and ideally knock on a 124 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: few doors of your elected officials and let them know 125 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: that this stuff is super important and it's where you 126 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: spend your time and money, and you want it to 127 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: be around for later generations too. So all right, gang, 128 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm trusting that you're having an awesome new year. Let's 129 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: get in to the news. Moving on to the flying 130 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: bear Desk. If Virginia man was struck and killed by 131 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: a falling black bear and what can only be described 132 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: as a last ditch attempt at revenge, the Virginia Department 133 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: of Wildlife Resources says fifty eight year old Lester Harvey 134 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: Junior was with a group of hound hunters who chased 135 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: a black bear into a tree in County in the 136 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: south central portion of the state. Most of the group 137 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: moved away from the tree so one of the hunters 138 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: could shoot the bear, but Harvey didn't move far enough. 139 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: He stayed within about ten feet of the tree, and 140 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: when the bear came crashing to earth, it landed on him. 141 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: There's no word on how heavy the bear was, but 142 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have to be that hefty to do serious damage. 143 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: The other hunters rendered first aid until ems arrived and 144 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: Harvey was taken to the hospital with serious injuries. A 145 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: few days later, his family announced that he'd succumbed to 146 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: those injuries. Harvey was a self employed contractor and avid 147 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: out doorsman who was a friend to all and never 148 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: met a stranger, according to his obituary. He is survived 149 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: by a wife, three sons, two daughters, and eight grandchildren. 150 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: The Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources says it is not 151 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: pursuing any criminal charges related to this incident, which would 152 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: be a heck of a twist criminal intent with black 153 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: bear something like that. Anyway, stay safe out there, folks. 154 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: You never know what Mother Nature is going to throw 155 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: out next. Moving on to the bow hunting desk, it's 156 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: been a tough few weeks for hunters in South Australia. 157 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: There the government has begun enforcing a total ban on 158 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: archery hunting in the state. The Governor of South Australia 159 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: has the power under the National Parks and Wildlife Act 160 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: to determine legal means of take. Animal rights activists have 161 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: been pushing for a bow hunting ban for several years, 162 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: and earlier this year the governor caved. She issued a 163 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: total ban on bow hunting of any kind, with one 164 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: exception for reasons that remain unclear. It will still be 165 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: legal to bowfish for carp or river murray. Everything else 166 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: is now a no go since the ban took effect 167 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: on December one, twenty twenty four. There was no ecological 168 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: or scientific reason for the ban. Animal rights activists simply 169 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: argued that bow hunting is inhumane, and three unfortunate incidents 170 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: were used to push the government over the edge. A 171 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: police officer was injured by a bow hunter and a 172 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: domestic cat and sea lion were killed. That's exactly the 173 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: kind of bad press the animal rights crowd was looking for, 174 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: which is crazy because domestic cats are killing the law. 175 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: It's sensitive wildlife, which we've covered often here on the 176 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: Week in Review, but it was apparently enough to convince 177 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: South Australia's government to prohibit bow hunting. Classic stuff. You know, 178 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: illegal acts are used to punish law abiding citizens. I've 179 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: read through the government's Frequently Asked Questions document and a 180 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: few things stand out. First, they don't even try to 181 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: offer a good explanation to justify the ban. Under the 182 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: question why are you introducing the ban, the government says 183 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: the ban reflects a commitment made by the state government 184 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: to prohibit the use of bows and crossbows to kill 185 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: animals in South Australia. Nothing about science or ecology. They 186 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: don't even say because bow hunting is cruel and inhumane. 187 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: They're doing it simply because they want to. I also 188 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: find it amusing that hunting with the spear is still allowed. 189 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: Under the question which activities will be permitted under the ban, 190 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: they say that lawful hunting using devices other than bows 191 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: and crossbows are allowed. They list off a few of 192 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: these lawful means of take, one of which is spear hunting. 193 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: I doubt many South Australians hunt with the spear, but 194 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: it seems like that's just as a quote inhumane as 195 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: a bow and arrow. It's also interesting that they still 196 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: allow bow fishing for karp. They care about the health 197 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: and well being of all animals, but not fish. We 198 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: will still be legal to own and use bows for 199 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: target practice in South Australia, but I imagine that's a small 200 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: comfort for the bow hunters who live there. As with 201 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: proposed waterfowl hunting band we covered a few weeks ago, 202 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: Australia gives us a window into the ultimate aim of 203 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: animal rights groups. They don't care about science or biology 204 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: or humaneness. They think hunting is wrong and they'll take 205 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: everything we give them. That's why it's important that we 206 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: retain our influence in the political sphere. Otherwise you can 207 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: bet this kind of thing we'll be coming to an 208 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: American state near you. Thanks to listener Jason Cameron for 209 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: sending us that story. Moving on to the crime desk, 210 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: and elderly hunter in Montana had his five x five 211 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: and hunting gear stole in last November near the town 212 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: of Troy in the northwestern part of the state. Seventy 213 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: four year old Bob Swiden had downed a nice mealy 214 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: about three miles up the Yack River Road. He was 215 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: trying to drag the deer out by himself when he 216 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: started feeling chest pain, so he left to go get help. 217 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: When he returned forty minutes later, he found to his 218 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: dismay that the deer and his backpack were nowhere to 219 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: be seen. To add injury to insult, Swindon did indeed 220 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: have a heart attack a few days later, but he 221 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: survived and is recovering at home. I imagine he and 222 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: his family are glad he went to get help instead 223 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: of trying to drag the deer back to his truck 224 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: by himself. Still, what kind of person steals a nice 225 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: buck from an old man or anybody? If you know 226 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: anything about this, Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Warden Sawyer 227 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Johnson would like to hear from you. You can call 228 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: him at four zero six two nine one six five 229 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: three nine or visit tipmont dot mt dot gov to 230 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: provide information. Believe it or not, this isn't the only 231 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: buck thievery that's happened this year. Montana Fish, Wildlife and 232 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: Parks posted on Facebook on October thirtieth that another person 233 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: had stolen a buckhead from a hunter who is trying 234 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: to get at home. The hunter had gutted the deer 235 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: and left it briefly to retrieve a game cart. When 236 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: he returned, he found that the head of his five 237 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: x five deer had been removed and stolen. I don't 238 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: know what these thieves get out of this. Do they 239 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: mount it on the wall and tell their friends, Yep, 240 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: that's one I stole off an old fella, or do 241 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: they make up some bs story about their own hunt. 242 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: Anybody who hunts knows that, you know, it's the memory 243 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: made by the hunt that you get to relive a 244 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: little more viscerally when you look at that picture or 245 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: the mount or the rack. Even if that racks thrown 246 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: up on your shed roof or something like that, or 247 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: laying around your garden fence. That's what thieves steal from hunters. Obviously, 248 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: there's a market for antlers and dog chews and bigger 249 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: racks fetch bigger bucks, no pun intended. I was speaking 250 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: to a game warden and at you know, high very 251 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: big time trophy in Wyoming this year, who told me 252 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: flat out he's like, if you get or in this case, 253 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: my buddy, if he gets a really nice ball, make 254 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: sure that you take care of that rack because it 255 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: will get stolen. Which is just such a freaking sad 256 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: state of affairs. Man. Anyway, one last thing for you. 257 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: We refer to these deer as five by five that 258 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: might not sound familiar to you whitetail nerds out east, 259 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: who usually talk about deer in terms of total points 260 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: instead of five by five. That's say it's a ten pointer. 261 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: That's just not how we do things out west. So 262 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's like a win in Rome do as 263 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: the Romans. Thanks to listener Christy H. For sending us 264 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: that story. Have Alina's now known as the trophy Desk. 265 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: For the first time in over twenty years, the Boone 266 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: and Crocket Club is planning to add a new species 267 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: of game animal to its vaunted record book. The conservation 268 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: organization announced in December that it's in the process of 269 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: developing scoring guidelines for Havevelena's, also called Peckery's and not 270 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: to be confused with feral hu Havenas, are pig like 271 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: umbulates of the family Tayasua day. They're found through Central 272 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: and South America, Trinidad and the Caribbean, and in the 273 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: southwestern part of North America. They're even in the fossil record. 274 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: The proposal to include a new big game category for 275 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: halina was brought forward to Boone and Crockets Big Game 276 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: Records Committee by a working group made up of wildlife 277 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: managers from Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and Mexico, as well 278 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: as other hunting conservation groups. It's unclear right now what 279 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: criteria will be used to score these fun sized critters, 280 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: but it's likely to be some combination of head dimensions 281 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: similar to bears or mountain lions. Havelinas look like pigs, 282 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: but they're actually evolutionarily closer to deer than to their 283 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: pig cousins. According to the Arizona Sonora Desert Museum, they 284 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: measure between two and four feet in length and weigh 285 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: between forty and eighty pounds. Havelina is actually one of 286 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: their nicknames. Another is skunk pig. The reason for that 287 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: one is obvious. If they've ever been around you, they 288 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: have met a smelly musk from a glace near their 289 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: rear and a behavior known as a Haveleina handshake. A 290 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: family group will rub against each other's glands so that 291 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: the individual sense mix and transform into a group perfume. 292 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: Because they have poor eyesight, this family scent is important 293 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: to help individuals stay together. If you've never been around 294 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: to have Alena. They are super cool, full of character. 295 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: They clack their tusks, make lots of noise, very social, 296 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: little animals, really neat in Texas. I had, you know, 297 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: very unfortunately a great time chasing a little group of 298 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: Helena and big old West Texas sunset. If you've never been, 299 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: it's freaking gorgeous, and yeah, made what I thought was 300 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: a great shot out of Havelena ran off, tipped over 301 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: and instead of you know, giving it a couple of minutes, 302 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: I ran over there and the thing jumped up and 303 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: ran away. Never did find it, couldn't find it. Super 304 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: bummed about that, So I guess I probably have killed 305 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: a have alna I just didn't recover it. Anyway, I'm 306 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: super stoked to see these guys get some record book recognition, 307 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: just because I think it helps with a little higher 308 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: regard for the species, because there's definitely some folks out 309 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: there who don't call them skunk pigs. They call them 310 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: trash pigs, and it's not a term of endearment. Now, 311 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's also animal protectionist groups who don't like 312 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: hunting and aren't happy that have alna's will now be 313 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: eligible for quote trophy status. But if they understand the 314 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: history and rationale behind boonon Crockett's record book they'd have 315 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: the opposite response. The record book was originally created to 316 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: encourage hunters to target large, old males. Going after these 317 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: animals is better for the health of species than targeting 318 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: younger males and females, which is how market hunters nearly 319 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: destroyed everything from deer to turkeys to largemouth bass. The 320 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: Boden Crockett's record Book was an important component of changing 321 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: the culture around hunting, and it also serves as a 322 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: vital record of biological harvest and location data. This information 323 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: is then used to determine the overall health of a 324 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: species and its habitat. If you think you have a booner, 325 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: have alina, we want to see it, so right in 326 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: to askcl at the meaeater dot com. Moving on to 327 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: the plague desk. Now, I don't know if you've seen 328 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: like extorcism movies. There is an actual attendee of Sunday School, 329 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: Bible camp, et cetera. Then you probably got to learn 330 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: at least a little bit about how like God turned 331 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: the Nile River to blood. Well, anglers in Pinedale, Wyoming 332 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: should probably check to make sure they haven't accidentally enslaved 333 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: an ancient tribe of nomadic Hebrews. That's because the Little 334 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Soda Lake has turned red and destroyed a once beloved 335 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: fishery in the process. Biologists with the Wyoming Game and 336 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: Fish Department noticed after the ice came off the small 337 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: Mountain Lake in twenty twenty three that the water had 338 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: turned a strange shade of green. They also noticed a 339 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: strong foul smell coming from the water, along with lots 340 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: of manure around the shoreline. They decided not to move 341 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: forward with their annual stocking of rainbow trout that year. 342 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: This year, the situation has gotten even more serious and mysterious. 343 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: Now the lake has turned a bright shed of red 344 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: and the agency has notified residents that the water contains 345 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: a harmful cyanobacteria bloom that makes the water unsafe for 346 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: animals to drink. But biologists are still scratching their heads 347 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: because that kind of bacteria usually turns the water blue green, 348 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: not red. According to a report in Wiofile, I thought 349 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: when the temperatures dropped, the cyanobacteria would die back and 350 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: it would clear up, a fisheries biologist said, but obviously 351 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: it's still happening. Whatever it is, they plan to continue 352 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: testing in the years ahead for nitrogen, phosphorus, nitratee, ammonium, 353 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: and phosphate, along with the cyanotoxins that might exist. Whether 354 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: the reddish color has a scientific explanation or is the 355 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: result of divine displeasure, one thing is certain, Little Soda 356 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: Lake won't be a home for fish anytime soon. Moving 357 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: on to the mail bag, last month I received a 358 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: great email from a listener named Jacob Collins. Jacob wrote 359 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: in with some interesting information about the conflicts in Virginia 360 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: between hound hunters, landowners, and even some other hunters. We've 361 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: covered the topic several times on this podcast, and they 362 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: also mentioned it a few weeks ago on the Meat 363 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: Eater podcast. Basically, hound hunters in Virginia are getting into 364 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: more and more conflicts with landowners. Some of these landowners 365 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: have hurt or killed hunting dogs because they say the 366 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: dogs damage property and livestock. The hunters say they don't 367 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: mean to trespass with their hounds, but that it's legal 368 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: for them to run their dogs on public land, and 369 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: if the dogs end up on private property, the law 370 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: allows them to retrieve their dogs. Jacob points out that 371 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: the issue is even more complicated than many people realize 372 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 1: Virginia has a deep rooted history of hound hunting, with 373 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: those in the eastern part of the state using them 374 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: for deer while those in the west use them for bears. 375 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: It's in the eastern part of the state where more 376 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: conflicts are happening, partly due to population densities and part 377 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: due to the realities of running deer versus bear. Jacob 378 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: continues quote the thin line between right to retrieve and 379 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: property rights has been walked for decades by Virginians in 380 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: this part of the state. However, there are several issues 381 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: that are leading to more significant conflict in Virginia's Piedmont 382 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: and coastal plains. The first change has come in the 383 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: way we value deer. This is specifically true with the 384 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: way we view hunting big white tail bucks. Central and 385 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: Eastern Virginia have not been immune to the shift towards 386 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: careful management of private land leases to grow mature bucks. 387 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: For the owners of these properties and those that pay 388 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: to hunt there, having dogs chase deer through property isn't ideal, 389 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: even if it is unintentional and has been taking place 390 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: for decades. The bigger and more prevalent issue is the 391 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: population growth of central and eastern Virginia's rural areas. In 392 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: recent years, there has been significant growth in the counties 393 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: surrounding are traditional urban areas, such as Richmond and Hampton Roads. 394 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: The counties that have seen population growth of more than 395 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: two percent in the last several years accurately lines up 396 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: with the map showing hotspots of trespassing claims. When you 397 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: pair this with numbers suggesting the cities that those counties 398 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: surround are seeing a decline in population, one can safely 399 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: assume that people are moving from urban cities to rural areas. 400 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: This trend would increase run ins between hound hunters and 401 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: new landowners with different value systems in those subsequent areas. 402 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: I think Jacob makes some great observations here, and he 403 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: ends his email with another point that everyone should pay 404 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: attention to if they live in a state that allows 405 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: hound hunting quote. I think this fight is opening up 406 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: a pathway for anti hunting legislation to sneak its way 407 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: through our General Assembly. This last year, a bill named 408 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: SB seven one two was introduced by Senator David Marsden 409 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: that would have outlawed releasing or retrieving hunting dogs from 410 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: a road or right of way managed by Virginia's Department 411 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: of Transportation. This would have a widespread impact on the 412 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: practicality of hunting with dogs across the state. This is 413 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: why I really urge hunters in the state of Virginia 414 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: and elsewhere to pay attention when we go after the 415 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: hound hunting segment of our culture. If anyone has questions 416 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: or further clarification, two great organizations working hard on this 417 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: issue are Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance and Virginia Bear Hunters Association. 418 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for the email, Jacob. Definitely some food for thought, 419 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: and I hope Virginians can work through this problem without 420 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: restricting hound hunting. It would be a shame if another 421 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: state lost this traditional method of putting meat on the table. 422 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: Dog folks are goofy I'm one of them, but they're 423 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: great folks. That's all I got for you this week. 424 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and remember to write 425 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: in to ask c Al that's Ascal at the Meat 426 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: eater dot com. Let me know what's going on in 427 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. No, we appreciate it. Thanks again. 428 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.