1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia for this Monday, February twenty 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: seventh in Hong Kong, Sunday February twenty sixth in New York, 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and coming up today. Asian stocks may suffer after that 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: hotter than forecast inflation data. Here in the US, the 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: biggest chipmaking countries meet to ensure a steady supply chain, 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: and China's Renaissance says it's missing chairman has been assisting 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Chinese investigators. Our report, the US Energy Department has moderate 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: confidence that COVID started at a lab misshapp in China, 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Macao eas's mask restrictions. US continues to put pressure on 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: shijimping not to provide weapons to Russia. Imed Baxter with 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Global News. That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Asia, 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: the business news you need to start your day in 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: just one fifteen minute podcast available on Apples, Spotify, the 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning, 15 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm Brian Curtis and I'm Dog Prisoner. Here are the 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: stories we're following today. After a hotter than expected PC 17 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: report in the United States, FED officials came out and 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: flagged the risk of sticky inflation. Cleveland FED chief Lorettamesters 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: said policymakers need to do a little more to ensure 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: inflation is moving back down. Her Boston counterparts Susan Collins 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: said that the FED has to keep raising rates to 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: get them to a sufficiently restrictive level, and Saint Louis 23 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: FED President Jim Bullard also urged the Fed to move 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: quickly on interest rates re establish credibility. Now sometimes I 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: use the phrase more game theory, less econometrics. Is what 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: you really want is the establishment of the credibility of 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: the two percent inflation target. There's a certain amount of 28 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: demonstration to markets if you move quickly. In a new study, 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: Wall Street economists and academics argue that the Fed will 30 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: need to inflict some economic pain to get pass under control. 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: The study included a series of simulations to predict likely 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: paths for the benchmark policy rates. Now, a few moments ago, 33 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Doug mentioned five point four percent that was being predicted 34 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: as the terminal rate. Computer models is suggesting from this study. 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: We just mentioned that rates would peak ay the five 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: point six percent, six percent, or even six and a 37 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: half percent in the second half of this year. Meantime, 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: we also heard from a Bloomberg opinion columnist to Mohammad 39 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: el Aryan, who is saying financial markets are starting to 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: doubt whether the FED can bring inflation down to that 41 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: two percent target. He says, inflation indicators are heading very 42 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: simply in the wrong direction. There's a lot of things 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: going on the supply side that would argue for a 44 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: slightly high inflation target. Now, of course, the FED cannot 45 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: change its inflation target after missing it for so long, 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: so they have a real problem there. I think the 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: best we can hope for, honestly, is stable inflation through 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: the four Now. El Aryan went on to say that 49 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: if the FED continues to pursue it's two percent inflation target, 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: fremendous pain will be inflicted on the American economy. Ran 51 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: In some other matters, we're getting word that the so 52 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: called Fab four Chip Group has held its first senior 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: officials meeting to talk about semiconductor global supply. Bloomberg's Denise 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: Pellegrini's tracking developments. The February sixteenth video meeting of the 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: Alliance of the US, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea focused 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: on supply chain resilience, and sources say the group, also 57 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: called the Chip Four, talked about an early warning system 58 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: to ensure study supply, but did not talk about export controls. 59 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: Taiwan and South Korea agreed to focus on manufacturing, Japan 60 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: on materials, the US on its role as a major market, 61 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and the Biden administration has been trying to get global 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: partners to agree to curb sales on advanced chip equipment 63 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: to China so China can't challenge US dominance globally so easily. 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: And Taiwan is home to the world's largest contract chipmaker, 65 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: and President Seinwen has pledged in the past to make 66 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: sure partners have ample supply of what she is called 67 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: democracy chips. Denise Pellegrin Bloomberg day Break in India, the 68 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: G twenty meetings have wrapped up with no consensus agreement. 69 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: We have more from Bloomberg's Van Men. The world's top 70 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: finance chis failed to agree on a final statement. That's 71 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: because Russia and China disagree with two paragraphs on the 72 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: Ukraine War that happened clear by all other members. German 73 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: Finance Minister Christian Leonards said a shift in attitude by 74 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: China was very regrettable. There was also some disagreement on 75 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: debt restructuring and obligations by various kinds of creditors, but 76 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: on most other topics participants seem to be aligned. Leaders 77 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: called fighting inflation a top priority. In Hong Kong. I'm 78 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: Ivan Man Bloomberg Daybreak Asia, China Renaissance says it's missing 79 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: chairman Bao Fan, has been assisting in an unspecified Chinese investigation. 80 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: We get more from Bloomberg's David Englaze. China Renaissance says 81 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: it has learned that Bao is cooperating in the probe, 82 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: but in a statement, the firm suggests that it has 83 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: not been in touch with Bao and does not know 84 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: where he actually is. The well known executive disappeared earlier 85 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: this month, unnerving China's business elite. Bao has been the 86 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: go to financier for some of the country's biggest companies, 87 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: and his disappearances race speculation of increased scrutiny for the 88 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: nation's finance industry. Several big lenders have requested more information. 89 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: They include BOCOM, China, Citic Bank, and China Merchants Bank. 90 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: In Hong Kong, I'm David Ingless bloom Brick, Day Break Asia, 91 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: and again I'm Brian Curtis along with Doug Krisner. Doug, 92 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: when the data changes, investors can be expected to change, 93 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: and we've seen that happening with the tough commentary from 94 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: the Fed in the inflation data. I would say, the data. 95 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: You can say that maybe the data is more important 96 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: than the Fed, which you have to admit all along 97 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: has been vigilant. Well, the Fed has been vigilant, I 98 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: would say, but there was a gap between what the 99 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: market was in pricing in in terms of a view 100 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: on inflation and what the FED thought. There was a 101 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: sharp pivot, and Jim Bullard, who was the head of 102 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the Saint Louis FED Bank, was saying that yes, maybe 103 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: the Fed had some room to dial back. So the 104 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: kind of the inflection point wasn't the issue insomuch as 105 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: inflation has really remained stubbornly high. There was a decline, 106 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: but we remain at elevated levels. And I point that 107 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: out because when we were talking about the dollar right now, 108 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: the big question is whether or not the dollar can 109 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: manage further gains. It may be difficult because what the 110 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: market is thinking and what the Fed seemed to be 111 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: thinking are more in alignment right now. Yeah, I think 112 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: that's a fair point. I think we do need to 113 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: say though, it is one month's data that marked a 114 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: big change January, so we'll see whether that continues when 115 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: we look at what happens with the data in February 116 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: and then even after that in March. And also in 117 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: addition to the inflation data, we've had a lot of 118 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: other factors that have played into selldown in risk assets, 119 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: the anniversary of the Ukraine War, the uneven nature of 120 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: China's room. We've also seen a big sell off in 121 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: tech here of late, and then also US China relations, 122 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: so there's a lot going on here. Well. Speaking of China, 123 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: the NPC meeting will kick off on Friday, and I 124 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that markets right now are 125 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: expecting on shore stocks to continue to do better than 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Hong Kong listed chairs because it is likely that the 127 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: government's going to roll out some new stimulus. Yeah, we 128 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: are in full correction mode with the Hanksang Index, which 129 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: is interesting around ten percenters. So it's been a rough 130 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: period here in February. All right, it's time now for 131 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: global news. The US Energy Department is saying that the 132 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: COVID pandemics origin was most likely a laboratory league misshapp 133 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: in China. Let's get to Head Baxter in the nine 134 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: sixty news room for details. Head. Yeah, that's right, Brian. 135 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: This is a classified document of the Wall Street Journal 136 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: reports one of several, but Energy believes that it was 137 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: due to a mishap at a biological lab. As you say. 138 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan on CNN says this is 139 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: part of an ongoing investigation. The reference to the Department 140 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: of Energy. President Biden specifically requested that the National Labs, 141 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: which are part of the Department of Energy be brought 142 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: into this assessment because he wants to put every tool 143 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: at use to be able to figure out what happened here. Yes, 144 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Sullivan says, key members of Congress will be involved in 145 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: the loop. Now. Macau says, by the way, it is 146 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: easing its masking policy, citing what it calls a stable 147 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen situation of the territory. Starting today, people will 148 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: not be required to wear masks while outdoors. As China's 149 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: president Chiesi and paying ready to travel to Moscow, Uscia 150 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: Director William Burns on CBS has heard here on Bloomberg 151 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: says there's still the open question about supplying weapons to Russia. Well, 152 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: we're confident that the Chinese leadership is considering the provision 153 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: of lethal equipment. We also don't see that a final 154 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: decision has been made yet, and we don't see evidence 155 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: of actual shipments of lethal equipment, and Burns says that 156 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: is why it is very important that President and Secretary 157 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: of State blank and keep emphasizing what the consequences would 158 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: be if arms did flow that way. Meanwhile, Burne says 159 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: intelligence is showing Russian President Putin isolating himself with just 160 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: a handful of advisers, a sense of cockiness in Eubrius, 161 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: a sense, I think reflecting Putin's own view, his own 162 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: belief today that he can make time work for him, 163 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: that he believes he can grind down the Ukrainians, that 164 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: he can wear down our European allies, that political fatigue 165 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: will eventually sit in and we'll just keep sending his 166 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: military and weaponry to fight. New York City remembering today 167 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: of the nineteen ninety three terrorist attack on the World 168 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: Trade Center. More than one thousand people were injured when 169 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: a van loaded with twelve hundred pounds of explosives was 170 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: detonated under the North Tower. A tower remained until it 171 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: was taken down a nine to eleven eight years later. 172 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: Governor Kathy hokel at the memorial today, words that I 173 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: can give will never he'll the scars, the pain, but 174 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: just know that the memory of your loved one will 175 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: never ever dissipate. It is something we in New York 176 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: will always ensure that the memory is never lost. Six 177 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: people did lose their lives on that day thirty years ago. 178 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Global News powered by more than twenty seven hundred journalists 179 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: and analysts in over one hundred and twenty countries. In 180 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 1: San Francisco, I'm at Baxter and this is Bloomberg. This 181 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Gaberkasia and Brian Curtis along with Rishad Salamat. 182 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: Our guest is David Chow, global market strategists for the 183 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: Asia Pacific at Investco. David, we talked about a lot 184 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: of these uncertain factors all of a sudden, really hitting 185 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: risk assets. Are you reducing exposure here and if so, 186 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: how much? I think that it makes sense that investors 187 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: are a bit cautious given the higher than an expected 188 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: inflation print that we've seen and some of the unevenness 189 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: in China's reopening. And I think this is healthy given 190 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: you know how well risk as it have perform from 191 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: the start of the gate this year. And I think 192 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: that we're having a moment where investors sess out some 193 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: of the risks and headwinds that the market faces. And 194 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: I think that this is this is to be expected. 195 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: I mean quite in sympitive. It was just a case 196 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: of getting out of the gates too far, too fast. 197 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: I think so. I think especially on some of the 198 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Chinese reopening play, and I think that play is essentially 199 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: over now. I think that investors will start to focus 200 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: more on fundamentals and what rich sectors and industry will 201 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: will continue to rebound in China for the rest of 202 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: the year. Well, we mentioned that it was one month's 203 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: data really that caused a change in thinking. Once you 204 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: had that Job's report, and then followed up by the 205 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: CPI and the PPI data and now the PCE, you've 206 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: seen a real change in investor behavior. Is it important 207 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: to move cautiously because that may not follow through in 208 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: February and March or do you think that that's been 209 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: the story all along. Well, that's right. One month data 210 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: does not make a trend. But how many times have 211 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: we've heard or we've expected the FED to pivot because 212 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: of inflation coming down, you know, around the corner, and 213 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: that certainly hasn't happened, and so I think that investors 214 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: could be disappointed, especially those that expect that have been 215 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: expecting a pause or a cut later on this year. 216 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: I think it's very clear that we're not going to 217 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: get that cut at the end of the year. It 218 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: could be as you know, more like you know, the 219 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: middle of next year, and so it's just expectations I'm 220 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: not being met. So, you know, with that thesis as 221 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: to what you think may will be happening with the 222 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: FED reserve, how do you position yourself to gain from that? Well, 223 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: I think that it makes sense for fixed income investors 224 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: to be positioned on the shore duration short end of 225 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: the curve. The market is paying investors to wait a 226 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: short term, though I think taking on additional duration could 227 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: provide limited benefits, though it could act as a recessionary head. 228 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: We talked about all these other factors besides inflation and 229 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: the FED. It happened that it was the anniversary of 230 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: the Ukraine War, so that's very much in focus. The 231 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: reopening in China has been called into question a little, 232 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: and you have US China tensions, a sell down in tech. 233 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm curious about the bow Fund story, and you're thinking 234 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: on that now that he's said to be cooperating according 235 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: to the company itself, does that challenge the adage of 236 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: kill the chicken to scare the monkey. Well, I am 237 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: a bit surprised that this has been telegraphed so broadly. 238 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: I was in the mindset that the government is pretty 239 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: much in the green when it comes to kind of 240 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: oversight issues, given that the focus has really been prioritized 241 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: on economic growth this year. So I think we'll really 242 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: have to see how this one plays out. But in general, 243 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: I think that the government has taken a much more 244 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: market trendly approach towards ensuring that we have growth and 245 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: that and that I think that we're pretty much out 246 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: of the regulatory woods for at least for this year. Yeah, 247 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: we're always a good against some hiccups like this, I 248 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: suppose ultimately, and that always then remains that there's going 249 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: to become some sort of a discount for Chinese equities 250 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: and If so, what do you think it is. Well, 251 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: we've seen a historical discount between Chinese equities and the 252 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: US equities and developed markets, and I think that I 253 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: think that as China's economy continues to mature and become 254 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's the second largest econoty of the world, 255 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: and the capital markets also start to mature as well, 256 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: I think that that historical discount to start too narrow. 257 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: But certainly there there are there are significant differences in 258 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: the political economy between China uh and the developed markets, 259 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: and I think that that will continue to be an 260 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: issue that that investors will have to see through or 261 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: better understand. We had some key earnings last week in 262 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: this part of the world from Baidu and Ali Baba. 263 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: Did you learn anything in there that you didn't know before? Well, 264 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: I would say that what I cleaned is that the 265 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: consumption recovery, especially to to e commerce, continues to be 266 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: very strong. The data, the consumption data coming out of 267 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: Chinese New Year was very strong um and especially in 268 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: mobility and also on the purchases. But I would say 269 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: that the consumption recovery for the rest of the year 270 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: will will continue, but it will it could be a 271 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: bit lumpy um, and so we're not going to see 272 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: a very strong V shape recovery. We know that Chinese 273 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: household are sitting on a pile of xss CAT, but 274 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: we don't expect them to spend that as quickly. I say, 275 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: how American households did blackhum thousand and twenty one. 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