Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong
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Speaker 2: Was all going to boil down to battle of the
Speaker 2: experts because, as stated earlier, Lindsey Clancy's defense team is
Speaker 2: not disputing that she actually took the life away of
Speaker 2: the three kids. What they're arguing is that she didn't
Speaker 2: have the criminal responsibility, the ability to acknowledge what she
Speaker 2: was doing was wrong because of a psychosist.
Speaker 3: I forgot what we were doing. We're talking about this
Speaker 3: after that clip. Yeah, we got into this a lot
Speaker 3: on Friday, and I would imagine if you follow news,
Speaker 3: you're aware of this story and it has become so
Speaker 3: interesting on so many different levels. And we're going to
Speaker 3: specifically get into the MAMO sphere coming out in support
Speaker 3: of this woman who killed her three kids. And is
Speaker 3: that a cultural change from previous stories like this over
Speaker 3: the years, where I mean, the mom in question would
Speaker 3: just get vilified, like Susan Smith who famously drowned her
Speaker 3: kids in the car, put them in the car, strapped
Speaker 3: him in, rolled the car into the lake, and drowned them. Man,
Speaker 3: I don't remember anybody coming to our hert offense. And
Speaker 3: like I was said on Friday, to my mind, you're
Speaker 3: you're by definition crazy if you can kill your own kids,
Speaker 3: since beasts have one biological goal, and that's to have
Speaker 3: offspring and you know, pro create and have them pro create,
Speaker 3: So you know where you become crazy now, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I have no IDEA quick note.
Speaker 4: Portlanders might remember the case of Amanda Stott Smith who
Speaker 4: threw two of her three children from Portland cell would
Speaker 4: bring in two thousand and nine similar case. Yeah, yeah, horrible.
Speaker 4: I don't know what angle of this you want to take.
Speaker 3: Let's hear the rest of this report, because we're at
Speaker 3: the point of the trial where it's probably going to
Speaker 3: go to the jury this week.
Speaker 5: But here we go.
Speaker 2: The defense has strong evidence on their side because there's
Speaker 2: a documented history of her trying to get mental health services.
Speaker 2: She went to the emergency room, she went to the hospital,
Speaker 2: she went to different therapists, she went to different doctors.
Speaker 2: In terms of the pros and cons, the prosecution has
Speaker 2: timing on their side because when her husband had left
Speaker 2: the house to go to the CBS and to pick
Speaker 2: up the food. There was about fifty four minutes where
Speaker 2: Lindsey was inside of that home.
Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting that they use it as
Speaker 3: she can't be crazy because she sent her husband on
Speaker 3: a couple of errands that she had calculated would be
Speaker 3: long enough for her to kill the kids. I don't
Speaker 3: understand why that proves you're not crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't think it done.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to argue that she is crazy and
Speaker 3: she'd get some sort of cush treatment.
Speaker 5: I don't have the slightest idea.
Speaker 3: I didn't listen to the whole trial, but I don't
Speaker 3: get why that a crazy person couldn't possibly add up
Speaker 3: how much time it takes to go to I think
Speaker 3: CBS in the.
Speaker 1: Grocery store right right.
Speaker 4: Well, if she decided for whatever nutty and I don't
Speaker 4: want to use I almost use the term psychotic, but
Speaker 4: that's the actual medical thing. But anyway, if she decided,
Speaker 4: for whatever crazy reason, the kids needed to die, that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean she wouldn't recognize how to do it might
Speaker 4: involve her husband being out of the house. I mean
Speaker 4: it's and I read this great thing piece. It's way
Speaker 4: too long to share on the air, but the point
Speaker 4: of it. And it was a woman who writes crime novels,
Speaker 4: and she talks about herself and how and also a
Speaker 4: friend who's a journalist who writes about I'm from the
Speaker 4: other direction and how they both agree virtually every killing
Speaker 4: makes sense to the killer at the time, that they
Speaker 4: do it for whatever reason and whatever brand of that's
Speaker 4: a horrible idea, but you decided you were going to
Speaker 4: do it anyway. We're dealing with here, and that it's
Speaker 4: a very very dangerous thing if a society gets a
Speaker 4: little too generous with the you know, especially what you
Speaker 4: kind of hinted at that it's so crazy to kill
Speaker 4: your kids. They can't be held responsible for killing their kids.
Speaker 4: I was definitely not making the argument that they're not responsible,
Speaker 4: but not the argument right to.
Speaker 5: Me, I don't.
Speaker 3: Here's certainly not normal if you can kill your old kids, see,
Speaker 3: something has gone wrong. But that I'd never heard that before.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting. Obviously, every murder, whether it's I was
Speaker 3: enraged because he was in bed with my wife, or
Speaker 3: I wanted to take their car, or whatever it is,
Speaker 3: if there was a reason at the moment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and she.
Speaker 4: Writes about that there's a difference between understanding and exoneration,
Speaker 4: between a reason and an excuse. Well, when you're talking
Speaker 4: about the functioning of the human mind, now you're into
Speaker 4: real guesswork.
Speaker 3: And then there's just the as a society, what do
Speaker 3: we want to do with the sort of person who's
Speaker 3: capable of killing their own children. If they're capable of
Speaker 3: killing their own children, they would seem to me to
Speaker 3: be capable of killing anybody or doing anything. Maybe do
Speaker 3: you want them out in society? I think the argument
Speaker 3: in Katie, feel free to jump in here. The argument
Speaker 3: would be, well, it's a temporary severe mental illness caused
Speaker 3: by postpartum psychochemist case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You had anything to say, Katie before I get into
Speaker 3: this about the women coming to her support.
Speaker 1: Not really.
Speaker 7: I mean, the only thing that I can think of
Speaker 7: as the psychosti's psychosis that is currently talked about due
Speaker 7: to insomnia. I can see how that could like drive
Speaker 7: you nuts, but I still don't see how it leads
Speaker 7: to this.
Speaker 5: So we talked.
Speaker 3: Friday on how there were three hundred women outside the
Speaker 3: courtroom in pink shirts in support of this mom who
Speaker 3: killed her own kids, basically with the hey being a
Speaker 3: mom's really really hard. I got really depressed too, and
Speaker 3: then it's hard to get the kind of mental health
Speaker 3: care you want.
Speaker 5: And that's sort of thing which is interesting.
Speaker 3: So this Free Press article by Kara Kennedy, it might
Speaker 3: be saying some of the things you've been yelling at
Speaker 3: the radio every time we bring up the women in
Speaker 3: support the moms of TikTok have gone insane. We've been
Speaker 3: telling women for decades that motherhood is one of the
Speaker 3: worst things that can happen to them. So it is
Speaker 3: in any surprise that so many moms now see child
Speaker 3: killing mom Lindsay Clancy as a martyr. I didn't know
Speaker 3: all of these things were going on. Struggling, sleep deprived
Speaker 3: moms are propping up their phones in their bathroom, hitting
Speaker 3: the record button and throwing I said it while screaming
Speaker 3: entire minute instead of having a screaming match with Mike Toddler.
Speaker 3: One mom wrote in a social media post, I throw
Speaker 3: ice into my tub. It allows me to feel angry
Speaker 3: without being destructive. Moms are also setting up ring lights
Speaker 3: to film themselves hysterically sobbing in front.
Speaker 5: Of their small children. He ain't good for the kid.
Speaker 5: If you can avoid it.
Speaker 3: Others are filming their crying babies with the caption me too, Lindsey,
Speaker 3: what My God, in solidarity with Lindsay Clancy, the Massachuset's
Speaker 3: mom who strangled at her kids ages five, three and
Speaker 3: eight months.
Speaker 1: AH one at a time and that takes a minute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 7: I'm also taking a little bit of an issue with
Speaker 7: the not having the resources argument, because when you're in
Speaker 7: the hospital, they send someone to kind of debrief you on, Hey,
Speaker 7: this can happen.
Speaker 5: Here's what you do when it.
Speaker 7: If it does happen, and there you I mean, you
Speaker 7: google it, and there's hotlines everywhere you can call that
Speaker 7: freaking So I don't really see the argument that you
Speaker 7: can't get help.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm not arguing for any side on this. I didn't
Speaker 3: follow the trial, but actually, crazy people don't have the
Speaker 3: wherewith all abilities to seek to get this help. That's
Speaker 3: one of the problems with it. It can be all
Speaker 3: over the place and easily gotten. But if you're really crazy,
Speaker 3: you're not really in the best position to figure out
Speaker 3: how who to call and who to google and all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: But right if there's an element of paranoia and your problem,
Speaker 4: you're certain that those people are out to get you.
Speaker 1: They're part of the cabal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, true, right, because her claim is that she was
Speaker 3: hearing voices saying she needed to kill her children to
Speaker 3: protect them from demons or something like that, like she
Speaker 3: was doing a good for them thing for them, they
Speaker 3: would be in protected and heaven away from the demons.
Speaker 3: Yet and you can't trust the help professionals, so then, yeah,
Speaker 3: you get into a difficult situation. Anyway, back to the
Speaker 3: free press thing here, the brain rot has spread like
Speaker 3: wildfire is the algorithms made sure it would, and in
Speaker 3: the Maamo sphere, the network of TikTok mod and mommy
Speaker 3: influencers and mom bloggers, it has almost been universally embraced
Speaker 3: as a healthy, liberating way for mothers to exhibit their rage,
Speaker 3: not the killing, but all this other weird stuff. Part
Speaker 3: of this comes from how Clancy's case has been understood
Speaker 3: or defense argues that she was in the grips of
Speaker 3: postpartum psychosis at the time of the killings, and has
Speaker 3: pointed to the many medications prescribed to the moms of TikTok.
Speaker 3: An overwhelmed and over medicated mom practically begging for help
Speaker 3: is something maybe an extreme version of what they see
Speaker 3: in the mirror every day, which is why Clancy has
Speaker 3: been claimed as a martyr rather than a monster who
Speaker 3: acts as a cautionary tale.
Speaker 4: Most human beings, and it's taken me a long time
Speaker 4: to understand this and come to terms with it. Most
Speaker 4: human beings are irrational, and I think a lot of
Speaker 4: this stuff is just a directional signal. Being a new
Speaker 4: mom is extremely difficult, it's very tiring. It's driving me
Speaker 4: quote unquote crazy. Therefore, this is the ultimate example of this.
Speaker 4: I'm going to support this woman because directionally it's it.
Speaker 1: Implies I need more sympathy.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, Katie's in the couldn't be in a better position,
Speaker 3: obviously to comment on this as a woman, as a mom,
Speaker 3: as a new mom. Where are you and your friends
Speaker 3: on this? I feel like off just guessing off the
Speaker 3: top of my head. While the three hundred moms in
Speaker 3: the pink shirts and support and all the TikTok moms
Speaker 3: are getting a lot of the attention, I'm thinking it's
Speaker 3: I'm just guessing. It's like eighty twenty ninety ten, lock
Speaker 3: her up forever.
Speaker 7: All three of my friends who have had a baby
Speaker 7: within the last year, Are lock her up forever?
Speaker 1: Because oh sorry, well no, just.
Speaker 7: Because you know, I know that when we talk about
Speaker 7: having resources and whatnot. This didn't just punch her in
Speaker 7: the face. This progressively happened. And you know, I don't know.
Speaker 7: This whole thing is so ugly, but yeah, new moms
Speaker 7: that I know are, I.
Speaker 3: Bet it's overwhelmingly lock that be up forever as opposed to.
Speaker 4: I would guess, so yeah, yeah, well from a societal
Speaker 4: point of view too. And you know, given that we're
Speaker 4: still at the infancy no pun intended of understanding mental
Speaker 4: illness honestly as a species, with all due respect to
Speaker 4: the mysteries and horrors of severe mental illness. As a society,
Speaker 4: if we establish a president precedent that if you make
Speaker 4: a pretty good case that.
Speaker 1: You are not in your right mind.
Speaker 4: And you get away with snuffing your three children, that
Speaker 4: just that does not put us in a very good
Speaker 4: place at all.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not one of those.
Speaker 4: If if it saves even one child, you know, well
Speaker 4: let's change all of society. That's not the way societies work.
Speaker 4: But if this woman must be sacrificed, judged unfairly because
Speaker 4: she actually was out of.
Speaker 5: Her mind toward one direction over the.
Speaker 4: Other, exactly to protect the potentially thousands of kids whose fathers,
Speaker 4: mothers care givers loses their temper and thinks that woman
Speaker 4: did it. I can even if it's like three to one,
Speaker 4: that's way too many. If people think, yeah, that's that
Speaker 4: is within the Overton window of I'm at the end
Speaker 4: of my rope.
Speaker 1: It's just too dangerous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we kind of have to have a hard no
Speaker 5: on that behavior.
Speaker 4: And is it a horrifying tragedy If this woman actually
Speaker 4: could not help herself, or all those drugs had attributed
Speaker 4: to the killing her feelings or whatever, that would be.
Speaker 4: That's I weep for her, I really do. On the
Speaker 4: other hand, we can't establish the precedent.
Speaker 3: There's another interesting angle to this that kind of gets
Speaker 3: into the just the nature of social media and algorithms
Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff that I'd like to
Speaker 3: mention from the Free Press article. But if you have
Speaker 3: any comments on this conversation, hit us on the text
Speaker 3: line during this break four one, five, two nine five,
Speaker 3: I have KFTC. So we're talking about the mama killed
Speaker 3: her kids, and the trial is going on and it
Speaker 3: might go to the jury this week, and that verdict
Speaker 3: is gonna be damned interesting. I'll tell you that we
Speaker 3: got some texts about that before I get to do
Speaker 3: some more of that free press piece standing up for
Speaker 3: all you women and men out there who aren't supporting
Speaker 3: the crazy mom and saying I can sympathize with her.
Speaker 3: You're more in the locker up forever she killed her kids.
Speaker 3: Camp got this kind of from the who done it?
Speaker 3: Or how good is she guilty or not?
Speaker 1: World?
Speaker 3: I understand the three poor kids that she killed, but
Speaker 3: why do you think she didn't kill her husband?
Speaker 5: Nobody brings that up.
Speaker 3: Would you be completely crazy kill your kids? I mean,
Speaker 3: would you not be crazy kill your kids? Not have
Speaker 3: an excuse for why you did? Your husband's still a lot?
Speaker 3: I mean, how did you You didn't think you there's
Speaker 3: no getting away with this.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That almost makes me seem crazy on okay, I just
Speaker 4: in terms of a plot, I can't stand being a mom.
Speaker 5: I want to kill my kids. You weren't going to
Speaker 5: get away with it, so you are some level of.
Speaker 1: Something.
Speaker 3: Oh the dad, the husband. We talked about this while
Speaker 3: you were gone. I want you to weigh in on this.
Speaker 3: The husband seems like a crazy dude. This textter said,
Speaker 3: never cried during testimony, remarried four months after the killings,
Speaker 3: and had many indications of some evils.
Speaker 5: I don't know about that last part, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 4: I came across the information that the she's innocent camp. Well,
Speaker 4: there are two camps. There's the you know, postpartum psychosis,
Speaker 4: too many medications camp, and then there's the lies, lies lies.
Speaker 4: The husband did it. The husband framed her right and
Speaker 4: was gasling into a false confession.
Speaker 1: And I like this.
Speaker 4: One gets the sense that people are desperate to make
Speaker 4: sense of what happened, but only so long as the
Speaker 4: answers are tidy and satisfying. For the true crimeers. That
Speaker 4: means turning a grotesque tragedy into an exciting mystery, along
Speaker 4: with the self flattering satisfaction of having figured it all
Speaker 4: out and sticking it to the patriarchy while doing it.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty good description.
Speaker 5: Standing up well.
Speaker 3: And my take on Friday was he remarried four months
Speaker 3: after his ex wife killed all three of their kids.
Speaker 3: You'd be nuts, You'd be you'd be in a state
Speaker 3: of like you can't.
Speaker 1: You might make some bad decisions.
Speaker 3: She might make some really rash, weird decisions if that happened.
Speaker 4: If I was a cold blooded psychopath who murdered my
Speaker 4: children and framed my wife for it, the last freaking
Speaker 4: thing I would do is draw attention to myself by
Speaker 4: getting married. You know, is this some sort of period
Speaker 4: in our history where he couldn't sex up his lover
Speaker 4: without marrying her, so he did it publicly?
Speaker 3: Come on, yes, would be He really knew his wife
Speaker 3: was struggling, didn't know what to how to handle it,
Speaker 3: and then this happened, and it's oh my god, I
Speaker 3: can't imagine living in his head. We did disc his
Speaker 3: text from the world of struggling, talking about their son
Speaker 3: and how hard it was to get help, and their
Speaker 3: son talked about killing themselves all the time, and they
Speaker 3: go all these mental health professions and hasn't come up
Speaker 3: with an actual plan, so you don't qualify for fifty
Speaker 3: one to fifty and blah blah blah. And it went
Speaker 3: on for many months until he finally did it. I
Speaker 3: have lived in this world. It is not as easy
Speaker 3: as it sounds to get help. But I want to
Speaker 3: get this on. So this free press article about brings
Speaker 3: up the manosphere and how if somebody in the manisphere
Speaker 3: talked about talked this way, people would be beating them up.
Speaker 3: But their main point was For quite a few years now,
Speaker 3: women have been talking about the manisphere and how awful
Speaker 3: men and everything like that. Clearly there is a mamosphere
Speaker 3: out there where we've gone nuts also, and the manosphere,
Speaker 3: the hyper online realm populated by in cells, lost boys
Speaker 3: and rageful misogynists, is.
Speaker 5: Selling disillusioned men.
Speaker 3: The performance of strength, the Mama sphere, Mamo's sphere is
Speaker 3: their counterparts, the performance of suffering. And I think that
Speaker 3: is true. It's so hard to be us. We can
Speaker 3: justify anything.
Speaker 1: In a related story. There's a related story coming up.
Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: I'm not getting paid to say this. I rarely say
Speaker 3: things I don't get paid to say. If you're not
Speaker 3: reading the Free Press, if you're not a subscriber, you
Speaker 3: were missing out on maybe the best journalism that exists
Speaker 3: on Earth. It is so flipping good. It's stunning to me.
Speaker 3: Every day there's stuff that's like Wow, I didn't think
Speaker 3: of that, or that's that is a topic written about
Speaker 3: in a better way than I've ever heardc including on
Speaker 3: this one, about the mamo's fear in the way it
Speaker 3: has risen up in suupport of this clancy woman who
Speaker 3: killed her kids.
Speaker 1: Human beings cannot endure the Internet.
Speaker 3: No, my takeaway from this article is we're all one crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I really should write an article about this, an editorial,
Speaker 4: but I think I'll work on my golf swing instead
Speaker 4: this afternoon.
Speaker 5: You got a putting situation to deal with exactly.
Speaker 1: Actually that's the only thing I do right.
Speaker 4: But anyway, here's the very very short version of it,
Speaker 4: and I'm working on perfecting this idea. Human beings for
Speaker 4: our entire history had a filter system for ideas, both
Speaker 4: outgoing and incoming. And I might have some crazy ass idea.
Speaker 4: I would try it out on a handful of people,
Speaker 4: and I'd get like a sympathetic interesting from one person,
Speaker 4: an outright rejection from the next seven, And I would
Speaker 4: say to myself, maybe that idea isn't so good. And likewise,
Speaker 4: incoming ideas, how am I going to know if there's.
Speaker 1: Somebody who lives eighteen hundred.
Speaker 4: Miles away who also thinks my crazy ass idea is
Speaker 4: just cool? And how would I become aware that whatever
Speaker 4: there are people who like child porn or naziism or
Speaker 4: you know, they're whatever stupid corrosive socialism ideas out there,
Speaker 4: although that one's been more common in history because it's
Speaker 4: the greatest scam that's ever been tried.
Speaker 3: Or I think the idea of killing your kids is
Speaker 3: a reasonable reaction to the difficulty of parenthood.
Speaker 4: Or exactly, or even like we were talking about last segment, directionally,
Speaker 4: being so desperate for somebody to give heed, to pay heed,
Speaker 4: to give respect to the idea that this is really,
Speaker 4: really hard and I'm suffering, that you would align yourself
Speaker 4: with somebody who strangled her three small children to death
Speaker 4: over the course of probably twelve to fifteen minutes, depending
Speaker 4: on which a forensic expert you talk to.
Speaker 1: It takes a minute to strangle someone to death.
Speaker 4: Well, it actually takes three to five minutes anyway, that's right,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, but again that's yeah, it's really hard
Speaker 4: being a mom.
Speaker 1: Therefore you're with this woman. Is the sort of.
Speaker 4: Idea that would get rejected over and over and over
Speaker 4: again until the Internet.
Speaker 3: Well here's good news. Now you get to layer on
Speaker 3: AI where you don't even need to find the crazies
Speaker 3: somewhere in the world on the Internet, you can just
Speaker 3: go to AI and it will probably with its weird
Speaker 3: confirmation bias thing, start agreeing with you over time. I
Speaker 3: have more data on that later from an MIT report
Speaker 3: on how layer after layer, if you stay with it
Speaker 3: through like ten questions, it will eventually start agreeing with you,
Speaker 3: no matter your crazy idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I thought this was an interesting related story
Speaker 4: I've been sitting on for a little bit. I'm a psychiatrist.
Speaker 4: I'm hearing something new. Excuse me, little Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 1: Oh, that reminds me.
Speaker 4: We gotta play our Bernie Sanders montage coming up. Oh
Speaker 4: my god, it hilarious. That's right, the Olagaki. But the
Speaker 4: article is I'm a psychiatrist. I'm hearing something new from
Speaker 4: young women, And she says several years ago, I started
Speaker 4: noticing something new when teenage girls or young women came
Speaker 4: to my office for their first psychiatric sessions.
Speaker 1: Patients used to be used.
Speaker 4: To dread being told that there was something, as they
Speaker 4: saw it, wrong with them. Now these young women were
Speaker 4: announcing their diagnoses attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, anxiety, depression.
Speaker 4: Almost before telling me their names. They had researched their
Speaker 4: symptoms on Instagram, they'd taken TikTok quizzes about them, they
Speaker 4: had crossed indexed their conditions with those of their friends.
Speaker 4: It was everyone from gravelly voice film majors to ernest
Speaker 4: high school athletes, class presidents and girls who skipped school,
Speaker 4: girls who spend weekends in the Hamptons, and girls who
Speaker 4: had to work for their spending money. The patients of
Speaker 4: this new wave were talking in therapy speak, and their
Speaker 4: therapy hadn't even started.
Speaker 3: Wow, So they show up to the therapists saying, I'm whatever,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what you're wanting help at that point.
Speaker 4: So let's get started. Yeah, yeah, And she says she
Speaker 4: struggled to suppress an inner eye roll at first. If
Speaker 4: you're a parent of an adolescent girl, you might have
Speaker 4: experienced your own version of these two reactions, either terror
Speaker 4: for your daughter's psychological wellbeing or alienation from the jargon.
Speaker 4: You might have even tried to convince your daughter that
Speaker 4: everything was fine. None of those responses sets us up
Speaker 4: to hear what these girls and young women are trying
Speaker 4: to say, and she says, essentially to barn expression take
Speaker 4: it seriously, but not literally. It's saying I'm unhappy, I'm stressed,
Speaker 4: I'm this, that or the other, and I'm more than
Speaker 4: a little acquainted with all of these phenomena.
Speaker 1: I'll just leave it at that. And she also gets into.
Speaker 4: The fact that a lot of young women, women who
Speaker 4: are lonely in a way that's unique to the way
Speaker 4: men are lonely, whether as adolescents, teenagers, and young adults whatever,
Speaker 4: they find a support community by saying I'm anxious, you're anxious.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, they have support, they have friendship,
Speaker 4: they have caring voices, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And so, in our disconnected.
Speaker 4: World, what's wrong with me has become an affinity group. So, boy,
Speaker 4: we're into some odd times.
Speaker 5: That's what that Free Press article is about.
Speaker 3: How the manosphere is about how men got to be
Speaker 3: super tough whatever, over the top, hyper masculine, and the
Speaker 3: momosphere seems to be we're all suffering so badly. The
Speaker 3: world is so difficult. I can barely get out of bed.
Speaker 3: You too, I can barely get out of bed too.
Speaker 3: You can get out of bed. I haven't gotten out
Speaker 3: of bed, you know whatever. You're like one ofuping each
Speaker 3: other on how frail you.
Speaker 1: Are, right, belaguered.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, humans cannot survive the Internet.
Speaker 5: No oh no, clearly not especially with AI.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know my question, I guess boils
Speaker 4: down to what the f type of ais I did?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.
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Speaker 5: You want to get to Uh, I mean because we're
Speaker 5: living in.
Speaker 1: An oligarchy, and uh, everybody knows that.
Speaker 5: Which clip is that? What number is it? What's funny
Speaker 5: about this? And you won't be able to tell by.
Speaker 3: Listening to it is it's a it's a it's like
Speaker 3: a grid they put up there, and it's all Bernie
Speaker 3: Sanders over many, many, many years, going all the way
Speaker 3: back to nineteen ninety three. Oh, that's fool the first
Speaker 3: sixty the first year of Clinton being president. He's been
Speaker 3: saying it that long, claiming that we're just on the
Speaker 3: verge of this. Here's Bernie from ninety three till now.
Speaker 8: This great country of ours is moving very rapidly in
Speaker 8: the direction of oligaky. The United States of America today
Speaker 8: is increasingly becoming an oligaky. You are and more moving
Speaker 8: toward an oligaky.
Speaker 5: We are moving in the direction of oligarchy.
Speaker 8: We will move even more rapidly in the direction of
Speaker 8: an oligoky. This great country is evolving into an oligarchic
Speaker 8: afraid of that society, it is called oligaky, and that
Speaker 8: is the system we are rapidly moving toward. This is
Speaker 8: a budget that varies our country rapidly into the direction
Speaker 8: of oligaky. A handful of billionaires are moving this entire
Speaker 8: planet toward an oligarchic society. We start off with the
Speaker 8: bad news, which is pretty bad, and that is that
Speaker 8: under Donald Trump, this country is hurtling rapidly toward oligonky.
Speaker 3: God said, you can't say rapidly for thirty three.
Speaker 4: Years, that just I don't you know, to quote the
Speaker 4: the priceless, the Princess Bride, I don't think that word
Speaker 4: means what you think it does.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I just didn't know.
Speaker 3: So it was the first year Clinton's presidency, who had
Speaker 3: two terms yes, then two terms of Bush, Yes, two
Speaker 3: terms of Obama. What a term of Trump, a term
Speaker 3: of Biden, now another term of Trump, all of those
Speaker 3: years with this close to an oligaky, moving rapidly, and
Speaker 3: I like when he'd announce it like it's news.
Speaker 5: I have bad news.
Speaker 1: Where I'm a.
Speaker 5: I'm becoming an oligarchy.
Speaker 4: Does he does he know he's doing that? Note to self,
Speaker 4: use the word rapidly more.
Speaker 1: That's a good word. I'll go with quickly, fast, but
Speaker 1: not rapidly.
Speaker 3: We are rapidly becoming an oligachy, I liked back in
Speaker 3: the day before he had the flum in the back
Speaker 3: of his throat. I'm Bernie Sanders, and we're rapidly becoming
Speaker 3: an oligarchy.
Speaker 5: But within a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Oh, olangarchy.
Speaker 4: But it was always oligacky with his delightful Northeastern accent.
Speaker 1: Love it. So where's he from?
Speaker 3: Because they don't have that accent for Burlington, Vermont, they don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I was there, I've been there.
Speaker 4: Isn't it just kind of a version of the Northeastern Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's right, lobstermen accent.
Speaker 3: Will nail it down, will nail down Bernie Sanders accent.
Speaker 1: No, we won't.
Speaker 5: Among other things. We'll get to.
Speaker 1: That's so good.
Speaker 5: That's just funny.
Speaker 3: For thirty plus years, I have bad news. I crunched
Speaker 3: the numbers. Were this close to an oligarchy, not an oligarchy.
Speaker 1: No, no, oh, removed on deliberately in that direction. Would
Speaker 1: you say at a medium pacer. God help us rapidly, Bernie.
Speaker 3: Okay, I do have my AI thing, the confirmation bias
Speaker 3: problem that exists in AI. I took a shot at
Speaker 3: fixing that last night with really interesting results. In one
Speaker 3: chat that I was having, among other things, we can
Speaker 3: talk about stay here, America, it does not deserve it.
Speaker 1: What was that? So that was chaos?
Speaker 4: That was Hassan Piker at a recent meeting saying all right,
Speaker 4: America didn't did not deserve nine to eleven, and the
Speaker 4: crowd booed, they're at the DSA gathering.
Speaker 5: Why did he temper that?
Speaker 3: Because I think that was the same gathering where he
Speaker 3: sang the funny song about how cool it was that
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk is dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, could be. He's a maniac and he's a he's
Speaker 4: bony grifter. I mean, I hate him because he's for
Speaker 4: all kinds of different reasons.
Speaker 3: I mean, the laughing song about Charlie Kirk being dead.
Speaker 3: Who could do that and the crowd laughing and cheering
Speaker 3: along to it, that's where we are.
Speaker 5: That is awful.
Speaker 3: That was about as disgusting a thing as I've seen
Speaker 3: in modern politics.
Speaker 5: Just awful.
Speaker 3: And he and Charlie did lots of events together where
Speaker 3: they would debate and stuff like.
Speaker 5: That, so he was actually knew the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 3: Doing a parody song karaoke to Hey, Charlie Kirk is
Speaker 3: dead in the crowd, laughing along to it.
Speaker 5: Just unconsortable stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's horrifying.
Speaker 4: I'm still torn as to whether he's an actual Marxist,
Speaker 4: is an an Islamist who's just trying to tear down
Speaker 4: the West by the portraying a marxistm But what struck
Speaker 4: me I just came across another story about Hassan Piker,
Speaker 4: and this is in the wake of a number of
Speaker 4: things AOC laughing about how woke one was crazy, woke
Speaker 4: one was crazy, right, And then when Graham Platner was
Speaker 4: quite credibly accused of sexual assault, abuse of women, that
Speaker 4: sort of thing, the very women of the left who
Speaker 4: are championing hashtag me too and believe all women were
Speaker 4: suddenly making rationalizations and excuses for him, chucking those morals
Speaker 4: out the window as well. And it turns out now
Speaker 4: and it's funny. We just referenced this last week and
Speaker 4: talking to talking about AOC and even friends of ours
Speaker 4: who lost their careers because they did not tow the
Speaker 4: company progressive line perfectly.
Speaker 1: During the Woke.
Speaker 4: Apocalypse, Hassan Piker regularly traffics in the N word. There's
Speaker 4: all sorts of tape of him dropping N bombs, both
Speaker 4: he and on his uncle.
Speaker 1: What's a sank Weiger.
Speaker 4: He's got a woke podcast that's really big on the left,
Speaker 4: but there's N bombs flying all over the place, and
Speaker 4: not like my enna or discussing it in a academic
Speaker 4: sense using the epithet. So if the left, these progressives
Speaker 4: come at you with a moral argument to try to
Speaker 4: hurt you, ruin you, shut you up. Look, you can
Speaker 4: handle it however you want, or maybe we can come
Speaker 4: up with, I don't know a handy dandy phrase to
Speaker 4: use when they do that for you. They have no morals,
Speaker 4: they don't mean it. They're just trying to cancel you
Speaker 4: and hurt you. You can rape, you can drop N
Speaker 4: bombs and there are a hundred examples of this. If
Speaker 4: you are on the left, let just remember that when
Speaker 4: they come at you.
Speaker 3: Hey, Michael, go ahead and play sixty three. This is
Speaker 3: a San Piker singing is Charlie Kirk's dead song. Dude, oh,
Speaker 3: and people are howling with laughter at the mocking the
Speaker 3: assassination of a political rival.
Speaker 5: That's not good.
Speaker 1: You know, do we have time for this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michael, believe people when they tell you what they're
Speaker 4: going to do. Sixty two, we have seen that the
Speaker 4: Democratic party establishment that we have has to be ripped out.
Speaker 4: We can actually start to grab hold of the ship
Speaker 4: of state and steer it in our direction. But it's
Speaker 4: going to be a you know, violent process.
Speaker 9: Our country needs to change and this Democratic party needs
Speaker 9: to change.
Speaker 1: I was more than glad to go on Hassan's stream.
Speaker 9: This is we need as democrats, We need to go
Speaker 9: into these spaces.
Speaker 3: Israel has a plan of creating a greater Israel in
Speaker 3: the Middle East, and.
Speaker 6: Eretz Israel would require Israel to expand quad quintuple its
Speaker 6: size by eating up half of Lebanon, parts of Iraq,
Speaker 6: parts of Egypt, most of Jordan's, parts of Iran.
Speaker 10: It's not an accident that the same people that will
Speaker 10: take the APAC money take all the other money too,
Speaker 10: you know where they're messaging each other like, oh, there's
Speaker 10: a war over here. Won't that be profitable for us?
Speaker 10: What if we started some instability over there.
Speaker 9: IPAC doesn't care about democracy. APAC cares about what APAC
Speaker 9: cares about, which is the corporate interest, the billionaire class
Speaker 9: in perpetuating this US colony in the Middle East that
Speaker 9: is only able to exist with our taxpayer support.
Speaker 5: So somehow I had missed that.
Speaker 3: That guy down in Georgia that's kind of emerged in
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks with his speech he gave
Speaker 3: against Trump the other day. Remember we played a bunch
Speaker 3: of clips of it. What's his name, the gay in Georgia?
Speaker 3: Tell me in my ear Hanson, what whispered love awesof
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's Jewish. I missed that somehow. So he's
Speaker 3: got You know, you can bring all the game you
Speaker 3: want with your criticisms against Trump. That got so much
Speaker 3: attention and everybody was laughing at and it was very
Speaker 3: clever and all that sort of stuff. You ain't gonna
Speaker 3: get the nomination or be anything big in the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party right now because you're Jewish.
Speaker 1: You know, that's just a factus right, right, right?
Speaker 4: So Anyway, multiple DSA types claiming that the process is
Speaker 4: going to be violent again, take them at their word,
Speaker 4: and then real quickly, oh I wish we had more
Speaker 4: time for this.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can pay it off next hour.
Speaker 4: But the list of the heavyweights of New York City
Speaker 4: socialism and how rich they all are, I know that's
Speaker 4: something we've talked about before, but it's like, to a person,
Speaker 4: they're all trust fund rich kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That one girl that they call, well, she's got a
Speaker 3: funny Lulu Lenin, which is a pretty funny nickname for her.
Speaker 1: That's really funn.
Speaker 3: She's super crazy rich, like more rich than most of
Speaker 3: these people are, and she's hardcore the everybody has it's
Speaker 3: a government right to have housing and all that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll review some of these people next hour. It's amazing.
Speaker 4: And again it's like there aren't exceptions. They're all rich.
Speaker 3: Kids, including Osama bin Laden and Castro and all kinds
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