WEBVTT - Humans Cannot Survive The Internet 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.200 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.799 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:17.640 and Jetty Enough He Armstrong and Jetty. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.680 Was all going to boil down to battle of the 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.000 experts because, as stated earlier, Lindsey Clancy's defense team is 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.559 not disputing that she actually took the life away of 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.360 the three kids. What they're arguing is that she didn't 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.360 have the criminal responsibility, the ability to acknowledge what she 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.000 was doing was wrong because of a psychosist. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.919 I forgot what we were doing. We're talking about this 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.200 after that clip. Yeah, we got into this a lot 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.520 on Friday, and I would imagine if you follow news, 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.240 you're aware of this story and it has become so 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.160 interesting on so many different levels. And we're going to 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.240 specifically get into the MAMO sphere coming out in support 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.520 of this woman who killed her three kids. And is 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:17.280 that a cultural change from previous stories like this over 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.840 the years, where I mean, the mom in question would 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.280 just get vilified, like Susan Smith who famously drowned her 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:26.959 kids in the car, put them in the car, strapped 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.399 him in, rolled the car into the lake, and drowned them. Man, 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.160 I don't remember anybody coming to our hert offense. And 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.160 like I was said on Friday, to my mind, you're 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.400 you're by definition crazy if you can kill your own kids, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:43.399 since beasts have one biological goal, and that's to have 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.319 offspring and you know, pro create and have them pro create, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.240 So you know where you become crazy now, I don't know, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.360 I have no IDEA quick note. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.280 Portlanders might remember the case of Amanda Stott Smith who 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.800 threw two of her three children from Portland cell would 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:05.640 bring in two thousand and nine similar case. Yeah, yeah, horrible. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.440 I don't know what angle of this you want to take. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.200 Let's hear the rest of this report, because we're at 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.480 the point of the trial where it's probably going to 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:15.519 go to the jury this week. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:16.200 But here we go. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.519 The defense has strong evidence on their side because there's 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:25.040 a documented history of her trying to get mental health services. 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.760 She went to the emergency room, she went to the hospital, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.600 she went to different therapists, she went to different doctors. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.840 In terms of the pros and cons, the prosecution has 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.320 timing on their side because when her husband had left 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.320 the house to go to the CBS and to pick 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.160 up the food. There was about fifty four minutes where 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.040 Lindsey was inside of that home. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.720 I think it's really interesting that they use it as 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:52.400 she can't be crazy because she sent her husband on 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.080 a couple of errands that she had calculated would be 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:56.839 long enough for her to kill the kids. I don't 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.640 understand why that proves you're not crazy. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:00.880 I don't think it done. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:02.800 I'm not trying to argue that she is crazy and 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.240 she'd get some sort of cush treatment. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:05.400 I don't have the slightest idea. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.480 I didn't listen to the whole trial, but I don't 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:13.840 get why that a crazy person couldn't possibly add up 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.520 how much time it takes to go to I think 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.160 CBS in the. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.600 Grocery store right right. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.160 Well, if she decided for whatever nutty and I don't 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.160 want to use I almost use the term psychotic, but 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:32.800 that's the actual medical thing. But anyway, if she decided, 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:37.640 for whatever crazy reason, the kids needed to die, that 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.480 doesn't mean she wouldn't recognize how to do it might 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.839 involve her husband being out of the house. I mean 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.600 it's and I read this great thing piece. It's way 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.040 too long to share on the air, but the point 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.920 of it. And it was a woman who writes crime novels, 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:57.360 and she talks about herself and how and also a 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.640 friend who's a journalist who writes about I'm from the 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.520 other direction and how they both agree virtually every killing 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.600 makes sense to the killer at the time, that they 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:15.360 do it for whatever reason and whatever brand of that's 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.400 a horrible idea, but you decided you were going to 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:21.080 do it anyway. We're dealing with here, and that it's 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:25.320 a very very dangerous thing if a society gets a 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:30.279 little too generous with the you know, especially what you 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.800 kind of hinted at that it's so crazy to kill 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.599 your kids. They can't be held responsible for killing their kids. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.240 I was definitely not making the argument that they're not responsible, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:41.919 but not the argument right to. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:42.400 Me, I don't. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.720 Here's certainly not normal if you can kill your old kids, see, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.159 something has gone wrong. But that I'd never heard that before. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.000 That's really interesting. Obviously, every murder, whether it's I was 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.680 enraged because he was in bed with my wife, or 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.960 I wanted to take their car, or whatever it is, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.440 if there was a reason at the moment. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:03.000 Yeah, and she. 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.400 Writes about that there's a difference between understanding and exoneration, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.839 between a reason and an excuse. Well, when you're talking 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.440 about the functioning of the human mind, now you're into 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:14.840 real guesswork. 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.039 And then there's just the as a society, what do 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.240 we want to do with the sort of person who's 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.160 capable of killing their own children. If they're capable of 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.880 killing their own children, they would seem to me to 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:34.800 be capable of killing anybody or doing anything. Maybe do 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.880 you want them out in society? I think the argument 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.360 in Katie, feel free to jump in here. The argument 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:46.200 would be, well, it's a temporary severe mental illness caused 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.360 by postpartum psychochemist case. 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:50.960 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:53.920 You had anything to say, Katie before I get into 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:55.600 this about the women coming to her support. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:57.159 Not really. 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:58.760 I mean, the only thing that I can think of 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:03.000 as the psychosti's psychosis that is currently talked about due 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.159 to insomnia. I can see how that could like drive 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.120 you nuts, but I still don't see how it leads 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:08.440 to this. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:09.680 So we talked. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.880 Friday on how there were three hundred women outside the 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.400 courtroom in pink shirts in support of this mom who 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.200 killed her own kids, basically with the hey being a 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.120 mom's really really hard. I got really depressed too, and 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.200 then it's hard to get the kind of mental health 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:24.720 care you want. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.960 And that's sort of thing which is interesting. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.800 So this Free Press article by Kara Kennedy, it might 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.960 be saying some of the things you've been yelling at 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.719 the radio every time we bring up the women in 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.960 support the moms of TikTok have gone insane. We've been 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.080 telling women for decades that motherhood is one of the 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:42.719 worst things that can happen to them. So it is 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.600 in any surprise that so many moms now see child 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.359 killing mom Lindsay Clancy as a martyr. I didn't know 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.680 all of these things were going on. Struggling, sleep deprived 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.880 moms are propping up their phones in their bathroom, hitting 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.839 the record button and throwing I said it while screaming 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.920 entire minute instead of having a screaming match with Mike Toddler. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.080 One mom wrote in a social media post, I throw 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.760 ice into my tub. It allows me to feel angry 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:13.320 without being destructive. Moms are also setting up ring lights 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.200 to film themselves hysterically sobbing in front. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.600 Of their small children. He ain't good for the kid. 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:19.720 If you can avoid it. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.320 Others are filming their crying babies with the caption me too, Lindsey, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.880 what My God, in solidarity with Lindsay Clancy, the Massachuset's 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:33.200 mom who strangled at her kids ages five, three and 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:34.160 eight months. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.119 AH one at a time and that takes a minute. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:40.760 Yeah, yeah, I would. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.560 I'm also taking a little bit of an issue with 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.440 the not having the resources argument, because when you're in 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.960 the hospital, they send someone to kind of debrief you on, Hey, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:51.640 this can happen. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.480 Here's what you do when it. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.200 If it does happen, and there you I mean, you 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.360 google it, and there's hotlines everywhere you can call that 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.080 freaking So I don't really see the argument that you 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:02.760 can't get help. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:03.120 Yeah. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.320 I'm not arguing for any side on this. I didn't 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:12.880 follow the trial, but actually, crazy people don't have the 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.360 wherewith all abilities to seek to get this help. That's 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.200 one of the problems with it. It can be all 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.080 over the place and easily gotten. But if you're really crazy, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.280 you're not really in the best position to figure out 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.880 how who to call and who to google and all 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:26.480 that sort of stuff. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.880 But right if there's an element of paranoia and your problem, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.800 you're certain that those people are out to get you. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:31.760 They're part of the cabal. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:36.520 Yeah, true, right, because her claim is that she was 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.920 hearing voices saying she needed to kill her children to 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.400 protect them from demons or something like that, like she 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.400 was doing a good for them thing for them, they 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.880 would be in protected and heaven away from the demons. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.480 Yet and you can't trust the help professionals, so then, yeah, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.960 you get into a difficult situation. Anyway, back to the 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.920 free press thing here, the brain rot has spread like 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.680 wildfire is the algorithms made sure it would, and in 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.720 the Maamo sphere, the network of TikTok mod and mommy 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.080 influencers and mom bloggers, it has almost been universally embraced 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.200 as a healthy, liberating way for mothers to exhibit their rage, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.320 not the killing, but all this other weird stuff. Part 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.560 of this comes from how Clancy's case has been understood 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.400 or defense argues that she was in the grips of 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.360 postpartum psychosis at the time of the killings, and has 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.319 pointed to the many medications prescribed to the moms of TikTok. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.000 An overwhelmed and over medicated mom practically begging for help 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.800 is something maybe an extreme version of what they see 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.200 in the mirror every day, which is why Clancy has 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.160 been claimed as a martyr rather than a monster who 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:35.679 acts as a cautionary tale. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.120 Most human beings, and it's taken me a long time 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.200 to understand this and come to terms with it. Most 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:45.920 human beings are irrational, and I think a lot of 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.679 this stuff is just a directional signal. Being a new 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.679 mom is extremely difficult, it's very tiring. It's driving me 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.920 quote unquote crazy. Therefore, this is the ultimate example of this. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:02.880 I'm going to support this woman because directionally it's it. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.240 Implies I need more sympathy. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.040 I don't know. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.080 Well, Katie's in the couldn't be in a better position, 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.040 obviously to comment on this as a woman, as a mom, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.720 as a new mom. Where are you and your friends 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.240 on this? I feel like off just guessing off the 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.520 top of my head. While the three hundred moms in 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.200 the pink shirts and support and all the TikTok moms 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.600 are getting a lot of the attention, I'm thinking it's 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.440 I'm just guessing. It's like eighty twenty ninety ten, lock 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:32.200 her up forever. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.280 All three of my friends who have had a baby 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.240 within the last year, Are lock her up forever? 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.320 Because oh sorry, well no, just. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.360 Because you know, I know that when we talk about 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.120 having resources and whatnot. This didn't just punch her in 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:54.880 the face. This progressively happened. And you know, I don't know. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.880 This whole thing is so ugly, but yeah, new moms 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.680 that I know are, I. 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:06.319 Bet it's overwhelmingly lock that be up forever as opposed to. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.320 I would guess, so yeah, yeah, well from a societal 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.840 point of view too. And you know, given that we're 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.240 still at the infancy no pun intended of understanding mental 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:20.400 illness honestly as a species, with all due respect to 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.400 the mysteries and horrors of severe mental illness. As a society, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.600 if we establish a president precedent that if you make 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.080 a pretty good case that. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.520 You are not in your right mind. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.360 And you get away with snuffing your three children, that 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.360 just that does not put us in a very good 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:40.000 place at all. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.040 You know, I'm not one of those. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.400 If if it saves even one child, you know, well 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.079 let's change all of society. That's not the way societies work. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:56.640 But if this woman must be sacrificed, judged unfairly because 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:57.560 she actually was out of. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.520 Her mind toward one direction over the. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:05.359 Other, exactly to protect the potentially thousands of kids whose fathers, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:10.400 mothers care givers loses their temper and thinks that woman 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.760 did it. I can even if it's like three to one, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.800 that's way too many. If people think, yeah, that's that 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.480 is within the Overton window of I'm at the end 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:21.199 of my rope. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:22.480 It's just too dangerous. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.360 Yeah, we kind of have to have a hard no 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:25.480 on that behavior. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.800 And is it a horrifying tragedy If this woman actually 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.640 could not help herself, or all those drugs had attributed 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.319 to the killing her feelings or whatever, that would be. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.640 That's I weep for her, I really do. On the 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.360 other hand, we can't establish the precedent. 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:47.000 There's another interesting angle to this that kind of gets 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.280 into the just the nature of social media and algorithms 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:51.840 and all that sort of stuff that I'd like to 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.080 mention from the Free Press article. But if you have 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.079 any comments on this conversation, hit us on the text 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.959 line during this break four one, five, two nine five, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:08.120 I have KFTC. So we're talking about the mama killed 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.679 her kids, and the trial is going on and it 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.880 might go to the jury this week, and that verdict 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.240 is gonna be damned interesting. I'll tell you that we 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.160 got some texts about that before I get to do 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.800 some more of that free press piece standing up for 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.080 all you women and men out there who aren't supporting 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.400 the crazy mom and saying I can sympathize with her. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.920 You're more in the locker up forever she killed her kids. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.880 Camp got this kind of from the who done it? 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.480 Or how good is she guilty or not? 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:38.040 World? 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:42.600 I understand the three poor kids that she killed, but 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.440 why do you think she didn't kill her husband? 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:45.280 Nobody brings that up. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.959 Would you be completely crazy kill your kids? I mean, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:54.760 would you not be crazy kill your kids? Not have 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.040 an excuse for why you did? Your husband's still a lot? 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.280 I mean, how did you You didn't think you there's 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:01.520 no getting away with this. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:02.960 I don't know. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.840 That almost makes me seem crazy on okay, I just 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.400 in terms of a plot, I can't stand being a mom. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.559 I want to kill my kids. You weren't going to 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.680 get away with it, so you are some level of. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:17.520 Something. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.040 Oh the dad, the husband. We talked about this while 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.440 you were gone. I want you to weigh in on this. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.200 The husband seems like a crazy dude. This textter said, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.480 never cried during testimony, remarried four months after the killings, 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.000 and had many indications of some evils. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:37.520 I don't know about that last part, but. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:39.840 Yeah, I thought it was interesting. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:44.040 I came across the information that the she's innocent camp. Well, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.520 there are two camps. There's the you know, postpartum psychosis, 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.400 too many medications camp, and then there's the lies, lies lies. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.720 The husband did it. The husband framed her right and 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.880 was gasling into a false confession. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:14:59.880 And I like this. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.680 One gets the sense that people are desperate to make 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.600 sense of what happened, but only so long as the 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.040 answers are tidy and satisfying. For the true crimeers. That 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.800 means turning a grotesque tragedy into an exciting mystery, along 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.640 with the self flattering satisfaction of having figured it all 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.240 out and sticking it to the patriarchy while doing it. 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.560 I thought that was a pretty good description. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:21.080 Standing up well. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.360 And my take on Friday was he remarried four months 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.240 after his ex wife killed all three of their kids. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.000 You'd be nuts, You'd be you'd be in a state 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.680 of like you can't. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.520 You might make some bad decisions. 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.560 She might make some really rash, weird decisions if that happened. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.640 If I was a cold blooded psychopath who murdered my 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.160 children and framed my wife for it, the last freaking 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.720 thing I would do is draw attention to myself by 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:53.160 getting married. You know, is this some sort of period 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.760 in our history where he couldn't sex up his lover 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.320 without marrying her, so he did it publicly? 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.560 Come on, yes, would be He really knew his wife 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.560 was struggling, didn't know what to how to handle it, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.440 and then this happened, and it's oh my god, I 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.840 can't imagine living in his head. We did disc his 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.320 text from the world of struggling, talking about their son 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.760 and how hard it was to get help, and their 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.840 son talked about killing themselves all the time, and they 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.960 go all these mental health professions and hasn't come up 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.120 with an actual plan, so you don't qualify for fifty 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:22.640 one to fifty and blah blah blah. And it went 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.040 on for many months until he finally did it. I 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.360 have lived in this world. It is not as easy 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:28.880 as it sounds to get help. But I want to 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.040 get this on. So this free press article about brings 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.520 up the manosphere and how if somebody in the manisphere 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.000 talked about talked this way, people would be beating them up. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.840 But their main point was For quite a few years now, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.360 women have been talking about the manisphere and how awful 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.160 men and everything like that. Clearly there is a mamosphere 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.520 out there where we've gone nuts also, and the manosphere, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.480 the hyper online realm populated by in cells, lost boys 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.280 and rageful misogynists, is. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:55.560 Selling disillusioned men. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.760 The performance of strength, the Mama sphere, Mamo's sphere is 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.119 their counterparts, the performance of suffering. And I think that 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:08.080 is true. It's so hard to be us. We can 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:09.720 justify anything. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.760 In a related story. There's a related story coming up. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:17.639 Armstrong and Getty. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.280 I'm not getting paid to say this. I rarely say 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.439 things I don't get paid to say. If you're not 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.879 reading the Free Press, if you're not a subscriber, you 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.679 were missing out on maybe the best journalism that exists 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.040 on Earth. It is so flipping good. It's stunning to me. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.040 Every day there's stuff that's like Wow, I didn't think 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.960 of that, or that's that is a topic written about 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.720 in a better way than I've ever heardc including on 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.399 this one, about the mamo's fear in the way it 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.239 has risen up in suupport of this clancy woman who 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.440 killed her kids. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.600 Human beings cannot endure the Internet. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.960 No, my takeaway from this article is we're all one crazy. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:03.440 Yeah. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:06.600 I really should write an article about this, an editorial, 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:10.040 but I think I'll work on my golf swing instead 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:10.760 this afternoon. 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.680 You got a putting situation to deal with exactly. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.200 Actually that's the only thing I do right. 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.479 But anyway, here's the very very short version of it, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.479 and I'm working on perfecting this idea. Human beings for 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:27.320 our entire history had a filter system for ideas, both 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:33.400 outgoing and incoming. And I might have some crazy ass idea. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.800 I would try it out on a handful of people, 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.280 and I'd get like a sympathetic interesting from one person, 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.680 an outright rejection from the next seven, And I would 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:47.120 say to myself, maybe that idea isn't so good. And likewise, 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.280 incoming ideas, how am I going to know if there's. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:51.920 Somebody who lives eighteen hundred. 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.119 Miles away who also thinks my crazy ass idea is 0:18:55.359 --> 0:19:00.439 just cool? And how would I become aware that whatever 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.720 there are people who like child porn or naziism or 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:11.399 you know, they're whatever stupid corrosive socialism ideas out there, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.919 although that one's been more common in history because it's 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.480 the greatest scam that's ever been tried. 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.320 Or I think the idea of killing your kids is 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.840 a reasonable reaction to the difficulty of parenthood. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.840 Or exactly, or even like we were talking about last segment, directionally, 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:30.800 being so desperate for somebody to give heed, to pay heed, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.120 to give respect to the idea that this is really, 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.399 really hard and I'm suffering, that you would align yourself 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.560 with somebody who strangled her three small children to death 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.960 over the course of probably twelve to fifteen minutes, depending 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.840 on which a forensic expert you talk to. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.600 It takes a minute to strangle someone to death. 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:55.040 Well, it actually takes three to five minutes anyway, that's right, 0:19:55.160 --> 0:20:00.159 and so yeah, but again that's yeah, it's really hard 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:00.800 being a mom. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.080 Therefore you're with this woman. Is the sort of. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.080 Idea that would get rejected over and over and over 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:08.840 again until the Internet. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.520 Well here's good news. Now you get to layer on 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.640 AI where you don't even need to find the crazies 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.800 somewhere in the world on the Internet, you can just 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.520 go to AI and it will probably with its weird 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.359 confirmation bias thing, start agreeing with you over time. I 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.120 have more data on that later from an MIT report 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.560 on how layer after layer, if you stay with it 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.720 through like ten questions, it will eventually start agreeing with you, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.280 no matter your crazy idea. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.600 Yeah, so I thought this was an interesting related story 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.000 I've been sitting on for a little bit. I'm a psychiatrist. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.840