WEBVTT - The Dentist, The Spurned Lover and The Hitman 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:03.520 Falling in love is the best feeling in the world. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.560 You see stars, you feel giddy, But sometimes that makes 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:13.000 you do crazy things, and sometimes that means murder. Just 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.840 because the story starts out with once upon a Times 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.600 doesn't mean it ends happily ever after. Welcome to Crazy 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.920 and Love, a production of Katie Studios and I Heart Radio. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.520 Today's guests are true crime producer Chris Graves, joined by 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.960 Antenette Levy. Antenette is a journalist with fifteen years of 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.240 experience as a crime and court reporter. She is currently 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.159 a host and correspondent for the Law and Crime Network. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.800 You can find her on Twitter at a Geanette five 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:51.120 and Instagram at Anjeanette. Episode eighteen The Case of the Dentist, 0:00:52.200 --> 0:01:01.440 the spurn Lover, and the Hipman. Kendra Hatcher was born 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:07.240 on February third in Springfield, Illinois. She grew up in 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.160 the tiny Maybury esque town of Pleasant Plains, Illinois, where 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:16.480 her mother ran a quiltch up. Kendrew was beautiful inside 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.600 and out. She loved life, had an infectious laugh, and 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.800 was popular. She was a straight A student in the classroom, 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.560 and Kendra also excelled at sports, where she was the 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.959 captain of a cheerleading squad and her volleyball team. Being 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.840 kind and generous was at the core of who Kendrew was. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.160 While still in high school, she taught Bible studies to 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.240 underprivileged sheath as well as went on mission trips abroad 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:47.400 to build churches. But her biggest dream was to become 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:56.639 a pediatric dentist. Here's Chris. Kendra was this lovely young woman. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.280 She's a volunteer and just ef revested personality. I mean, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.760 she grows up in this tiny little town. From your research, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.240 what kind of place was pleasant Plans to grow up 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.440 in Pleasant Plane sounds like just this idyllic place to 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.360 grow up in. Kendra Hatcher. You know, she came from 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.639 a nice family. She was just a nice woman. When 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.520 I was reading up about her, I was really surprised 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.440 to find out that there was less than a thousand 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.480 people in that town. I mean, that's really small, eight 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.760 d two as of the census, you know, incredibly small. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.200 So you have to imagine it's a community where everyone 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:34.000 knows everyone. Despite how beautiful Pleasant Plane sounds, Kendra also 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.480 had a need for adventure and travel. I mean she 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:41.040 was going to Central America to build churches with people. 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.560 That speaks to me, to someone who wants to see 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.240 the world. On top of that, that's outside of that 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.079 tiny town. I think so. And you can only imagine 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.160 that growing up in a small town and you're in 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.440 high school and you see there's more to the world 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.440 out there, and you want to explore. For college, she 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.480 decides to move away to Indiana. She goes to the 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.440 DePaul University. She majored in Spanish, minored in biochemistry, and 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.400 then after she graduated, she enrolled at the University of 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:13.720 Kentucky College of Dentistry. Continuing her love of helping those 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.800 less fortunate, Kensdra would spend spring breaks volunteering with Habitat 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.560 for Humanity. She also gave free dental work to children 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:29.160 a need, though not everything was perfect. Kendra married her 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.960 college sweetheart in two thousand and four, but it hadn't 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:36.360 worked out. By the time she graduated with her degree 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.680 in pediatric dentistry. In two thousand and ten, Kendra was 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.680 thirty years old and single. She was ready for a 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.800 fresh start and moved to Dallas, Texas, excited to give 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:53.200 big city living a go. By Kendra was thirty five 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.040 and thriving in Dallas. She loved the youthful energy of 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.280 the city, and she lived in a trendy part of 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.320 town and in joyd working at Smile Zone. The only 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.280 thing missing was someone to share it with. Kendra found 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:11.320 herself checking out profiles on Tinder one night in May. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.960 Someone caught her eye and so she swiped right on. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.120 Kendra went on our first date with thirty eight year 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:26.840 old Ricky Pantiagua Here's Chris. Ricky had some similarities with 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.440 Kendra as well. He grew up in rural northern California, 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.760 so it was probably not the biggest town he grew 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.560 up in. But he also grew up in a in 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.520 a single wide trailer, so he probably didn't come from 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.080 too much wealth. Despite those humble beginnings, he went to 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.839 Stanford and then did his internship at the University of 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:48.880 Massachusetts and then inven moved to Dallas, and he too, 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.479 was getting over a divorce when he met Kendra. You know, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.839 so you've got these two people who meet and have 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.120 so much in common. When Ricky moved to Dallas, it 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.839 was to complete the last step of is medical training, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.840 which was to do a dermatology residency. So it was 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.280 a very specialized residency at the University of Texas Southwestern 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.320 Medical Center and all of the patients and when people 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.160 talk about him, they described him as having a bedside 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.360 manner second to none, so he was really good at it. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.839 So Kendra works at the Smile Zone. She's working as 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.760 a pediatric dentist, living her dream. And she had actually 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.800 moved into this apartment complex. It was called Gables Park 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.719 seventeen and it's a really awesome place. I mean, it 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.680 has a saltwater pool, it has a gourmet coffee bar, 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.880 a cyber lounge, twenty four hour concierge, so um in 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.480 a fitness studio. So this is a really swanky place 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.880 and she's basically living her best life. Kendra and Ricky 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.880 really hit it off, and even after their first date, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.560 things seemed to move really quickly. They both loved to travel. 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.000 They went to Denver, and they went to San Francisco, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.839 and they were really inseparable. And one of Kendra's nieces 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.000 actually came to visit her that summer and she described 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.800 Kendra and Ricky as always cuddling and it really seemed 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.400 like they had found each other's missing piece, kind of 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.839 like they were soul mates. And one of the trips 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.440 that they took was actually to northern California. Kendra met 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.520 Ricky's parents there, and that's always a clue of just 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.240 how serious things are getting. Not only that, Kendra and 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.520 Ricky were planning to travel the Pleasant Plains in October 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.840 for the town Fall Festival for Ricky to meet Kendra's parents. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.840 It's getting really serious when you introduced the boyfriend of 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.560 the parents. And this happened three months after they started dating, 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.960 and that was right after they had met on tender. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:42.279 Kendra and Ricky's relationship had moved fast, and by late August, 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.120 Kendra was telling her friend she thought Ricky was the one. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.120 It felt like wedding bells were in her future. Both 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.400 Kendra and Ricky loved to travel, and they had already 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.920 taken several trips to California, where Ricky was from. By 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.280 Labor Day, the pair planned to leave the country and 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:03.599 take a romantic trip to Cancun, Mexico. Very sadly, Kendra 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.000 would never make that trip. The night before they were 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.720 slated to leave on September two, Kendra had driven into 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.680 her buildings gated parking garage and parked. As she got 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.160 out of her car. A stranger with a gun walked up. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:21.360 Kendra screamed, Her assailant shot her in the head, and 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:26.400 Kendra died instantly. A fellow resident of her building had 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.000 just come down the elevator to the parking garage and 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.080 heard both kendra screams and the pop of the gunshots. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.200 He then saw a black SUV peel out of the 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:42.520 parking garage. He called nine one one. The witness was 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.320 only sixteen years old. Let's take a listen to the 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:53.040 nine one one call Hi, who of the gable park 0:07:53.400 --> 0:08:00.760 piece in the one parking want I can girl? You 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.000 t was that? Uh think you the next I'm not serious, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.360 but I thought I thought like Kerry key right out. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.640 And when I passed them to go, they had like 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.720 the maths and he took it off because you carry 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.960 with me. We made in the card. It was it 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.960 was I think that's a man. I'm like, I'm finished. Man, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:25.280 It's like you look like me. He was he was white. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.000 You were white. He had a he had a diffus 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.920 with me on this as been off so with like, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:39.480 uh yeah it was black because I don't know all 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.760 of it was greeting and then a lot of and 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.360 then I thought of laying on the board and then 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.959 it was like, let's like food net her name and 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:47.880 her phone going the board of the card that was open. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:52.360 I don't know what happened. You think that uh it 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.240 was was coming was the card and steers it was 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.160 a steady I think it was little sewers that she's there, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:04.320 like it was a card parts the doors the door open, 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.920 and he was laying on about the doors like I remember, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.480 imagine that sixteen and he sees that in this building 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.040 that's supposed to be one of the securest buildings for 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.480 young people to live in. Yeah. I've probably listened to 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.319 hundreds of nine one one calls over the years. And 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.319 to listen to a young person, a teenager call nine 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.199 one one and to have to hear something like that 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.319 and then walk up and see a woman shot in 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.520 the head, especially in a place that it is supposed 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.600 to be so safe and an exclusive community, it's um, 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.679 I mean, it's just really horrifying. I'm startled by how 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.439 composed he actually remained. I think that he had to 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:53.240 be in shock. I mean, something kicks in and adrenaline 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.079 or something kicks in and you're just relaying what you 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.560 know what you have just seen and you just need 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.120 to get out, And there's probably something that comes from 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.800 within him to where he wants to He knows, you know, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.079 he's a good person. He knows what he has seen 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.360 and witnessed. He understands the gravity of it. Sometimes there's 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.520 a lot of really good information in these nine one 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.840 one calls. This one was pretty detailed, so any information 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.040 they might go through, and the detective may listen to 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.079 this several times. It's a priceless clue. There may be 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:29.120 something that's corroborated by a piece of video, something that 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.679 he says, or you know, they see a particular car 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.160 pull out, or he sees the car pull out and 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.360 then they find it on the video. You know, it's 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.360 one thing can often lead to another in these cases, 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.680 and then he becomes a key witness at that point. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:48.520 Most definitely, when Dallas Police Department's homicide detective Eric Barnes 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.280 arrived on the scene of Kendra's murder, he had a 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.840 mystery on his hands. At first glance, it had looked 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.240 like a robbery gone wrong. Kendra had been shot twice 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.199 in the back of her head at close range, and 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:05.640 her paris was missing. Could the answer be as simple 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:10.760 as a robbery or had someone wanted her dad? Here's 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.280 a Jeanette. We have a woman who's dead and been 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.079 shot in the head, and her purse is missing, her 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:21.760 camera is missing. And they talked to a teenage boy 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.600 who called nine one one, and he tells the police 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.600 that he thought the person was driving a black Jeep 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.360 Cherokee and that it was maybe a white man, but 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.800 he couldn't tell because the windows were tinted. And so 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.760 Detective Barnes goes in search of surveillance footage. This is 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.400 a really nice apartment complex, so you've got to believe 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:46.080 they have surveillance cameras, and so he goes and finds 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.959 this from the parking garage. UM and to him, the 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.439 driver looked like she could be a Hispanic woman. And 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.760 Detective Barnes goes and talks to Ricky panton Niagua, who 0:11:55.920 --> 0:12:00.280 is Kendra's boyfriend. Ricky was brought to Detective Barnes told 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.840 the detective that he'd been waiting at Kendra's apartment earlier 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.160 that evening while she was coming home. UM. I believe 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.400 they had been texting while she was at work and 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.280 then on her like she must have texted, Hey, I'm 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.840 on my way home, and while he was waiting, he'd 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.360 gotten hungry, so he left the building to go get 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.719 some tacos, and all of this happened while he was 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:24.000 out having his tacos. And he comes back to basically 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.760 the Gables Park seventeen being a crime scene. Right, so 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.200 he encounters officers. He asked what happened. He tells them 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.320 that he knows Kendra because he's her boyfriend, so they 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.200 bring them to Detective Barnes for questioning. They were leaving 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.440 on a trip from Mexico the next morning, so he's 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.600 there at the building waiting for it because they're probably 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.760 gonna sleep at her place to go to the airport. 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.559 Detective Barnes then when he meets him meets Ricky. He 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.200 notes just how distraught Ricky is um and that he's 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.080 being very cooperative with the police, telling him everything he knows. Yeah, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.520 and right now, at this point in the investigation, Detective 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.360 Barnes is really at square one. He doesn't really have 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.679 any idea of why Kendra Hatcher is dead, why anybody 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.800 would kill her, and so he didn't really have much 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.160 to go on, so he does what a lot of 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.240 cops do. Uh. Sometimes cops will hold evidence close to 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.079 the best, but this time he decides, you know what, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.720 I've got nothing here, So he releases the surveillance footage 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.679 to the public. He puts it out in the news. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:31.480 He's hoping somebody recognizes the suv and bingo, somebody sees it. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.520 It's a local mechanic. He owns the jeep, Cherokee, and 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.520 he's shocked. He can't believe he's seeing his suv on 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.400 the news, and he calls the police on September four, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.040 this is two days later, and this mechanic tells the 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:50.559 detective Barnes that on September two, two days before, he 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.920 had a friend named Brenda Delgado, and she was with 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.120 her friend Crystal Cortez, and they had actually brought a 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.120 BMW into be fixed. So he loaned her his jeep 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.680 and the mechanic tells Barnes that he didn't have any 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.480 idea how his jeep wound up in a garage speeding 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.560 away from the scene of a crime, a murder, no less, 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.520 and so Detective Barnes talks to the mechanic. He calls Ricky, 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.400 and Ricky told him that Brenda Delgado was his ex girlfriend, 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.600 but they were just friends now. And Ricky also mentioned 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.040 that for a moment when he watched the surveillance video 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.280 the jeep, he actually thought the driver looked a little 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.920 bit like Brenda and he wondered if it could be her. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.240 So it was a really shocking moment, not only for 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.440 Ricky but the detective too. It's insane, but it's also 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.760 like it's real life. This is actually happening, you know. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:43.920 In this poor mechanic sees his his SUVs crime scene. Ricky, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.800 here's the name of his ex girlfriend, thirty one, Brenda Delgado, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.000 and she's born in Mexico, so she's a Mexican citizen, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.720 but her parents immigrated to the US when Brenda was little, 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.120 and so she grew up in a lower income neighborhood 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:02.400 of Dallas called Pleasant Grove. And so she's been ambitious. 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.760 She excelled at school herself. She dreamed of going to 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.840 Meddle School school, but unfortunately, you know, her parents couldn't 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.920 afford to send her there. So she spent some time 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.800 working at dental offices and then decided to go to 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.520 dental hygiene school at a place called Sanford Brown College. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.760 Brenda definitely had aspirations and dreams. When she met Ricky. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.080 It was he took her to a Jennifer Lopez concert 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.440 for their first date, and things moved really fast, and 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.560 they had moved in together just after about three months, 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.760 and eventually Ricky gave her a promise ring. Brenda thought 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:43.720 they were getting married, and then everything was over, you know. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.400 He told her one day that they had to move on. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.240 This relationship was just not going to be working for him. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.280 It was about three years into it and they broke up. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.720 And um, Ricky actually considered Brenda a really good friend 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.800 and he just couldn't imagine that she would have had 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.080 anything to do with killing Kendra. He he couldn't. He 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.160 couldn't believe that because he felt like she was such 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.880 a good person and she even offered to bring over 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.640 food for him and do anything she could to be 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.760 of help after Kendra was murdered. Yeah, I mean, I 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.800 think they even talked that night, didn't they. He texted 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.560 or called her and told her what had happened. You 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.520 don't do that with someone you don't think is a 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:26.440 good friend. No, you don't. We're going to take a break. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:43.560 We'll be back in just a moment. The only logical 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.960 thing that Detective Barnes can do next is talked to 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.000 Brenda Delgado, so he brings her in for questioning, and 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.480 she swears she she doesn't know Kendra Hatcher or that 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.520 she was Ricky's new girlfriend. And she also throws her 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.440 friend Crystal Cortes under the bus. And she tells Detective 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.280 Barnes that she had no idea how the jeep Cherokee 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.000 wound up in Kendra's garage that night, and she told 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.840 Barnes that it was actually Crystal and not her that 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.040 borrowed the mechanics jeep, and that she'd only known Crystal 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.159 for about a month. And she gave Detective Barnes a 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.520 receipt for an airtight alibi. She said she was at 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.439 Chili's having drinks with the classmate when Kendro was murdered. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.360 Here here it is, here's the proof. But Dallas PD 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.679 had actually tracked down Crystal and brought her in for questioning. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.000 And you know, this is a woman who's twenty three 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.640 years old. She doesn't have a lot of money, she's 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.320 a single mom and lives with her grandmother, and she 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.320 was making like eleven dollars an hour working as a receptionist. 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:47.480 So Detective Barnes had interviewed Brenda and then bounced between 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.399 the two rooms. You know, this is like something you 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.960 see on television shows. You know, you go to suspect 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.119 one and then get their story, and then you go 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.560 into suspect two and you say, well, suspect one told 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.320 me this in blah blah blah, and they play the 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.200 two off of each other when they don't even know 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.800 what the other is saying. And so Crystal is really nervous, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.400 and she goes through several versions of of what's going 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.880 on in the parking garage and what happened in there, 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.760 and Detective Barnes was obviously able to knock her off 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.520 her game, and she just breaks down and she tells 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.800 him that Brenda hired her and this guy named Lamar 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.840 to rob Kendra, but she didn't know who Lamar was 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.280 and or that he was going to shoot Kendra. And 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.880 so Crystals arrested. She's charged with capital murder. And before 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.400 Crystals taken to the county to jail, she actually gave 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.359 investigators a description of Lamar, and she told them a 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:43.600 crucial piece of information that he drove a blue sea bring. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.960 So she provides kind of like another big key to 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.159 this whole thing. I mean, this must be a detective's dream, right. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.000 He's got two suspects in two separate rooms, and he 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.720 can bounce between the two. He probably knows he's got 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.600 the right people here, just having to break them both 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.160 down to try to figure it all out. Brenda obviously 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.119 tried to think this through the best she could. She 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.159 comes up with the Chili's receipt. You know, that's my 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.040 air tight alibio is at Chili's. But it really shows 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:17.000 you how manipulative Brenda is. Because Brenda had actually courted 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.080 Crystal through this old roommate of hers. She had met 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.919 her through her because the roommate had brought Crystal over 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:24.760 to let her a little boy go swimming in the pool. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.680 And then she starts praying on this woman. She realizes 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.760 that this is somebody I can bring into my life 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.080 and I can groom her to do this for me. 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.600 Brenda's got some issues. I think she's a pretty manipulative 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.440 person to be able to cajole Crystal into this. And 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.840 Crystal basically later says she had a little boy to 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.679 take care of she did this for six hundred bucks. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.840 So as Crystals trying to keep all of these stories straight, 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.399 she she tells like a bunch of different things, you know, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.480 she tells all these different versions. She she told Detective 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.840 Barnes she was looking for a place to park that 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.480 night and that's why she in the garage, and she 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.440 wanted to go to this Mexican restaurant nearby. And then 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.720 she said she had had her six year old little 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.240 boy with her and wanted to find a park to 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.760 take him too, and was looking for a parking spot 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.639 for that. And then she actually told him that there 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.000 was a man that she didn't know called Lamar who 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.720 had Carjacktor and he had held a gun to her 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:23.760 and forced her to go into the parking garage and 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.200 so he could rob Kendra. So that she's kind of 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.040 grasping at straws here. She's coming up with all these 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.280 different stories. And you see that in these cases sometimes 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.920 where people are lying at first, and then the truth 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.000 slowly starts to bleed out, you know, Lamar is introduced 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.320 into the story and and then that's when finally, you know, 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.159 Crystal just can't do it anymore. She admits that Brenda 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.879 hired her and Lamar to go to the garage and 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.240 rob Kendra. But she says that she didn't know that 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.080 Lamar was going to actually shoot Kendra. She thought he 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.520 was just going to rob her, and so she didn't 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.160 really put up a fight about driving away because Lamar 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.880 was armed. She didn't know what would what would happen 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.280 if she said she wouldn't drive him away. Even if 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.240 she drove in there, for Lamar to just rob Kendrew, 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.320 it's still a crime. I do wonder what Barnes thinks 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.520 is going on now. I mean, this is he's got 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.200 these two women in these two rooms, and they're telling 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.439 all kinds of wild stories, right, and yet he's got 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.920 this poor woman, Kendrew. Why would anyone want her debt? 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.760 Detective Barnes had started to get a picture of why 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:34.840 Kendra Hatcher had been killed, and it involved Ricky's jealous 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:40.439 ex girlfriend. Back in Brenda Delgado's interview room, he tested 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:45.159 his theory. Here's a clip of Detective Barnes trying to 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.760 get Brenda to show emotion and crack. Do you really 0:21:48.920 --> 0:22:00.679 say or anybody else? It's probably you know, I'm Marrea, 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.280 this guy that you're sell in love with Did you 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.320 just say the world to believe that you had nothing 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.080 to do with this? I think you didn't have anything 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.920 at all. Even though you made an arrangement for the 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:18.280 younger boy beginning this VI. You set that up. You 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.720 said that, you said it's playing emotion. It starts because 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.440 you make a song called every day you started like you, 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.280 and I can prove that your phone records. I can 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.760 prove that through your text someone. I'm not asking you 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.280 what she did because I know what she did and 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:40.480 I'm will improve what she did. I mentioned why because 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.480 that is the single most important thing. I can't understand 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.520 why somebody would kill someone else. I never killed anybody, 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.720 but I haven't had my heart brooking, and I know 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.000 what it feels like. There's another person in this world 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.040 hasn't going through that kind of man. Now, I can't 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.399 tell me what was the one through your head. This 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.960 one by for you is important for you to say 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.640 of the why because people are going up and think 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.960 about the people that are close to you. I think 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.240 about the people that are imported to you. They're gonna 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.560 to know why you're coming up in this situation. But 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.000 if you let Crystal telling, it's gonna come out totally 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.320 different because Crystal is here for her baby right now. 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.160 She's not here for you. She came down her because 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:21.919 she didn't know what you were gonna say about her. 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.119 But she's got a very strong description of how she 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.080 ended up in your friend's car, this guy that grew 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.760 up with you, that you do very well, and how 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.119 she ended up in that garage that that belongs to 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.200