Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on
Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, Garry, is it fair to say encapsualization of
Speaker 1: what you've done here is sort of like returning to
Speaker 1: the scene of the crime and reviewing the evidence all
Speaker 1: over again. Absolutely, if I was going to do a reinvestigation,
Speaker 1: I had to literally go back to the right after
Speaker 1: the incident and start to follow the trace. I've got
Speaker 1: thirty years of police and experienced, six years in the
Speaker 1: Royal Air Force Police. I've worked on two nuclear weapons
Speaker 1: storage areas during my time in the Royal Air Force Police,
Speaker 1: so I had so I'd basically did the same job
Speaker 1: as what the US Air Force Repolice did involved in
Speaker 1: this incident. I then went on to a twenty four
Speaker 1: year career in the police, the last nineteen years as
Speaker 1: a detective. I was an advanced into view of suspects
Speaker 1: and witnesses. So I've got thirty years of police and experience.
Speaker 1: The only way I could ever do a reinvestigation is
Speaker 1: from an evidential point of view, and once I'd realized
Speaker 1: how the format would be, it would be literally to
Speaker 1: just be the fact. I mean in the first part
Speaker 1: of the book, I say I have no friends to
Speaker 1: reward and no force to punish. We going to go
Speaker 1: or wherever the facts to take because facts are neither
Speaker 1: Republican nor Democratic. They are the facts. And that was
Speaker 1: a great quote from Trey Goudy, the former Republican congressman,
Speaker 1: that I thought was particularly pertinent to what I was
Speaker 1: going to try to do. I took out sentiment, and
Speaker 1: I literally went back and I delved as deep as
Speaker 1: I could go, and then took out things that I
Speaker 1: thought the public have never heard about or rarely have
Speaker 1: heard about, and expanded on them. I've found old interviews
Speaker 1: I reevaluated, i found new testimony from people who'd already
Speaker 1: been interviewed sometimes, but then I got new testamy from
Speaker 1: other people completely different. That led to major things coming out.
Speaker 1: For example, that Lieutenant Bonny Tamplin was a shift commander
Speaker 1: and she is what's referred to as the Second Incident
Speaker 1: or the second Night of Activity. So he was talking
Speaker 1: the twenty sixth of December into the twenty seventh of December,
Speaker 1: and nobody really knew her story other than that something
Speaker 1: had so traumatized that she'd gone off shift and seemingly
Speaker 1: never went back well in during the course of my
Speaker 1: own investigation. I spoke to an airman called Michael Stacey Smith,
Speaker 1: and he'd had an earlier citing earlier in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: and the book lists three what called precursor important ure
Speaker 1: four cases that took place earlier in the year leading
Speaker 1: up to the December offense. But when I spoke to him,
Speaker 1: he made an off the cuff remark it indicating he
Speaker 1: knew something about about the Bonnie Tampling. And when I
Speaker 1: got talking to him, he basically told me this, and
Speaker 1: obviously aware of the time, but basically Bonnie Tampling. The
Speaker 1: shift commander responded to a call saying from the east
Speaker 1: gate at Woodbridge, Arry Woodbridge by an airwoman called Laurie Bowens,
Speaker 1: and she'd said that a red all of flame had
Speaker 1: dropped into the forest and she reported it and she
Speaker 1: happened to be on mobile patrol and she was leaving
Speaker 1: on a public road between Arif Bentwaters to ari f
Speaker 1: Woodbridge with twin based complex and in the middle was
Speaker 1: Rendel's from Forest. So you told him maybe a four
Speaker 1: mile distance and this she's on the public road, she says,
Speaker 1: I'll respond to that. Well, anyway. The next thing is
Speaker 1: that she's screaming over the radio. Help, Help, Help, and
Speaker 1: she's clearly traumatized. Well that's what we knew. Well, Michael
Speaker 1: Stacey Smith then gave me this incredible story of literally
Speaker 1: how this poor lieutenant was run off the road by
Speaker 1: a UFO on a British rural public road between the
Speaker 1: two bases. She was ran off the road by UFO
Speaker 1: a UFO. She's driving along in a military vehicle and
Speaker 1: a UFO a Sphere comes to the side of Earn
Speaker 1: starts parallel hedgerow high and then suddenly she's so terrified
Speaker 1: she loses control of the vehicle. She runs off the
Speaker 1: road because she goes into a ditch right And his
Speaker 1: testimony is direct testimy because what he's saying is, I
Speaker 1: was told to go to a gate which was called
Speaker 1: the Butler Gate, which is at the rear of Varris
Speaker 1: Front waters and open it up quick. And then he
Speaker 1: sees a convoy of police vehicles go out, rushing out,
Speaker 1: and he didn't know why stay there. A few minutes
Speaker 1: later he sees a military vehicle come back through the
Speaker 1: gate and he sees leftenant Bonny Tampling looking disheveled. She's
Speaker 1: crying her eyes out. She's clearly traumatized by something. The
Speaker 1: driver is a guy called Robert Ball, Sergeant Robert Ball.
Speaker 1: She doesn't really know what's going on. And then a
Speaker 1: few minutes later via another military vehicle comes back in
Speaker 1: through the Butler gate, and this time it turns out
Speaker 1: to be Leeftenant Bondy tampling his vehicle and he sees
Speaker 1: direct testimy that this vehicle has sustained roof damage as
Speaker 1: if it's been rolled into a ditch, but it's still
Speaker 1: been drivable. He then goes in once these vehicles have
Speaker 1: gone in, and the sargeant says to him, if you
Speaker 1: don't reveal my name, I'll tell you what happened in
Speaker 1: The story goes, so this is the haresafe part, but
Speaker 1: I have no reason to disbelieve what Michael stays smith place.
Speaker 1: He said that this female officer was on the public
Speaker 1: road and she's run off the road and whence she
Speaker 1: rolls the vehicles. She crawls out and the UFO is
Speaker 1: just hovering above her close by. So she's so frightened
Speaker 1: that she picks up her M sixteen and starts discharging
Speaker 1: several rounds by he firing at that then goes away
Speaker 1: and that's why she was screaming then over the radio,
Speaker 1: help help, help, and he confirmed. The sergeant confirmed to
Speaker 1: him that the number of rounds that she discharged were
Speaker 1: all neatly put back, and the whole incident on the
Speaker 1: British public road was covered up all these years. So
Speaker 1: nobody's known that until I'm just telling in this now,
Speaker 1: until this book is out, And what a story. We
Speaker 1: didn't really have a clue. I've no reason to disbelieved
Speaker 1: Michael Stasismith. And but we're talking about things in the
Speaker 1: book like final Confirmation that beams the UFO shan and
Speaker 1: beam down into the nuclear weapons story area at Aria
Speaker 1: pent Waters. There were rumors, but never direct testament. But
Speaker 1: a guy came forward to me called Steve Longero, and
Speaker 1: he's an interesting p person because he had a thirty
Speaker 1: year law enforcement career sheriff, a bit like me. He
Speaker 1: who was in the Military security USA Force Security place
Speaker 1: and then he went on to have a long law
Speaker 1: enforcement career. Absolutely stand up gay and he said, I
Speaker 1: was new to the base and I stood there inside
Speaker 1: the nuclear weapons storage area walking round with an experienced amen.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly as we saw UFO, and he started
Speaker 1: shining a beam down like akin to a laser beam
Speaker 1: into the nuclear bunkers. And he said he did like
Speaker 1: a pendulum motion, as if it was scanning all the
Speaker 1: way down. That was called the hot Road nuclear bunkers
Speaker 1: because it was what we underneath tactical nuclear weapons. And
Speaker 1: he said, then the UFO went off towards Renalds from forest.
Speaker 1: Now you'd think that would be the end of it,
Speaker 1: but he goes, no, no, I've got another incident to
Speaker 1: tell you about. And I said, what do you mean.
Speaker 1: He said, well, I was because I'd only just gone
Speaker 1: on to shift. He says, how everything was kicking off
Speaker 1: in the forest, so they wanted more as many security
Speaker 1: places to go into the forest. So I was taken
Speaker 1: because I was like supernumery. I was taken from the
Speaker 1: weapon storage area, taken into the forest with many others,
Speaker 1: and he said there I was taken to the initial
Speaker 1: first night landing site, which had been two or three
Speaker 1: nights earlier. And then he said there was another UFO
Speaker 1: incident that he saw with about ten or fifteen others.
Speaker 1: And this is long before Colonel Halt was even there.
Speaker 1: And so this is an entirely new incident. So not
Speaker 1: only if you got him saying, as the first person
Speaker 1: direct testimony, I was inside, I saw the UFO shine
Speaker 1: in a beam down into the nuclear weapons storage. Anything
Speaker 1: goes tell me that he's been evolved in an incident.
Speaker 1: Let's back up. Let's back up just a little bit. Gary,
Speaker 1: So in your book, well, we'll back up just a
Speaker 1: little bit. In your book, you share that there were
Speaker 1: a number of incidents, not only the three incidents in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty leading up to the big one, but there
Speaker 1: are also incidents in previous years in this area. And
Speaker 1: one of the issues you explore in that context is
Speaker 1: whether or not there are nuclear weapons there, And of
Speaker 1: course the US military will not confirm whether nuclear weapons
Speaker 1: are stored anywhere, but you have plenty of indications that
Speaker 1: they were there, and that might have something to do
Speaker 1: with why UFO activity had been seen in that area
Speaker 1: for a number of years. Right. Absolutely. I have been
Speaker 1: researching the Reynolds from case publicly since two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: when I appeared on the uf Albums program with Build Evidents,
Speaker 1: and that's where I first met Colonel Hall. But the
Speaker 1: I've always believed, why why is it that you were
Speaker 1: forced regularly were turning up there, and it turns out
Speaker 1: that there were many sightings before, and in fact, there's
Speaker 1: an incredible event that comes out in the book that
Speaker 1: was originally listed as to be a part of the
Speaker 1: December nineteen eighty events, and it's a chapter twenty which
Speaker 1: is a new testament, completely new testament of a guy
Speaker 1: called James Stewart. Now he's not a Usfluce Scirit police officer.
Speaker 1: He is actually what was called a crew chief. He
Speaker 1: was repairing aircraft and there were just three this is
Speaker 1: so it turns out that he got the date wrong.
Speaker 1: He thought it was December nineteen. It was December nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine, so one year earlier. He relates the case
Speaker 1: that is sensational in the sense that he is working
Speaker 1: on a Phantom met for there are only three left.
Speaker 1: They have to be off the base by January of
Speaker 1: nine ten eighty's working underneath and then he feels something shudder,
Speaker 1: as if something was walking on the spine of the plane,
Speaker 1: and I think spots that and then hears a stroke
Speaker 1: mark and a new canopy had been put on this
Speaker 1: floor that he's been repairing, and he climbed up the
Speaker 1: steps to the cockpit and found three claw marks, three
Speaker 1: claw marks on this new canopy. And he then saw
Speaker 1: footprints along the back in the jew during the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, and something jumped down. He didn't see it,
Speaker 1: but he felt the judder and something jumped down off
Speaker 1: the tail and then went running through the underground bushes,
Speaker 1: the bushes nearby bushes off seed. All he sees is
Speaker 1: something scurrying towards the outer perimeter fence and it is
Speaker 1: very close to the east skate arias Woodbridge. He then
Speaker 1: sees this scurrying. He never gets to see what it was,
Speaker 1: but he sees that seemingly this object, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: has passed through the fence. It is now on the
Speaker 1: outside of the fence and it's moving to his left
Speaker 1: towards a clump of trees. Now at the same time,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, and I've checked this guy outside,
Speaker 1: no reason to disbelieve him, see his records, he sees
Speaker 1: the UFO landing descending and disappearing behind these clump of trees.
Speaker 1: At the same time, he then starts hearing shots being fired,
Speaker 1: as in somebody opening fire at something by the security guard.
Speaker 1: US police officer who was at the east gate. Now
Speaker 1: routinely that was not manned, so this is or in itself.
Speaker 1: But he said there was a security police officer at
Speaker 1: the East skate and he was shooting at something and
Speaker 1: he heard him shout something like getaway, get away, and
Speaker 1: then that security police officer saw something scurrying away through
Speaker 1: the undergrowth, didn't see what it was, and he was
Speaker 1: heading in the same direction as the object that he
Speaker 1: had seen landing in the forest and this other object.
Speaker 1: So you have this scenario of like two separate things
Speaker 1: scurrying through the trees to a UFO that that's landing
Speaker 1: behind some trees. And he then he's approached by what
Speaker 1: was called the crew bus. His boss came along here
Speaker 1: in the shots fired and saying getting getting We thought
Speaker 1: you'd been abducted. And believe it or not, it sounds
Speaker 1: like France fiction. But this guy, I'm rushing because of
Speaker 1: the time element. But this guy is an absolutely standard guy.
Speaker 1: Is willing to be interviewed. I've seen his records. I
Speaker 1: have no reason to do that doubt him. But it's
Speaker 1: another interesting twist. And that's a year before. So when
Speaker 1: people say was there expected in December nineteen eighty, well,
Speaker 1: maybe there is a story to that because this opens
Speaker 1: up a new avenue. We then have three major events
Speaker 1: took place in February, July, and November of nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: leading up to it. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: this is always about, and you talked about the nuclear issue,
Speaker 1: is that Colonel Hall, when I metting, told me privately
Speaker 1: there were more nuclear weapons at Arius pent Waters than
Speaker 1: anywhere else from Europe. Now that was betoman at twice
Speaker 1: and it was a nuclear base. I found a document,
Speaker 1: it's in the book that said that bent Waters housed
Speaker 1: I think twenty five nuclear weapons, but actually I think
Speaker 1: it housed many, many more. And with the comments mode
Speaker 1: by and will hold to me, I think that which
Speaker 1: is since then. But I think that that's why US
Speaker 1: Force Journal you make a point of including Robert Hastings
Speaker 1: references to his book UFOs and Nukes, and he documented
Speaker 1: all over the world that UFO activity is over nuclear
Speaker 1: weapons and nuclear weapons storage areas like Ori pent Waters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: massive connection. And but what a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize is the context. And I say early on in
Speaker 1: the book that context is everything, and the nuclear weapons
Speaker 1: aspect is this that at the time mind of the
Speaker 1: Reynalds from Forest. Instance, in December nineteen eighty, literally hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of Soviet troops were massing on the borders
Speaker 1: of Poland because of the rise of the shipyard workers
Speaker 1: movement under Lectoenta, who went on to become the president,
Speaker 1: but it was still the Leno Soviet state, and people
Speaker 1: fear that there was going to be a nuclear war,
Speaker 1: a Third World War scenario, that the Soviet Union going
Speaker 1: to go into Poland crush the rebellion and like they've
Speaker 1: done in Czechoslovakia in Hungary. And so that was happening.
Speaker 1: And then you also had the powder keg of the
Speaker 1: Middle East, which was high tension because of the fifty
Speaker 1: two Iranian hostages that were been held in around and
Speaker 1: so you had the world at a chrisis point. And
Speaker 1: I think it was the amount of nuclear weapons that
Speaker 1: were illegally hidden there as to why US force kept
Speaker 1: going aris pent Waters in particular, there's got to be
Speaker 1: reasoned there's this long correlation going back to the nineteen
Speaker 1: forties about new UFOs and nuclear weapons and new power plants,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. We're going to go to a
Speaker 1: break in about two and a half minutes. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to touch back on that. You said there were
Speaker 1: these three incidents in nineteen eighty leading up to the
Speaker 1: events around Christmas time. I wanted to just summarize that
Speaker 1: those a little bit if you could, because two of
Speaker 1: those incidents are really similar. They're big giant balls of
Speaker 1: orange red fire and then they split into three pieces.
Speaker 1: Just it's not a craft that we have right in
Speaker 1: our arsenal. Absolutely absolutely, Yeah. We can go into after break, well,
Speaker 1: you can describe it. We got a minute or so,
Speaker 1: just describe what one of those accounts was about what well,
Speaker 1: the first one involves and even though there were a
Speaker 1: woman the cold Amon, which I don't plunderstand, but that
Speaker 1: was the time. So Ammon Laurie Rafelt was was on duty,
Speaker 1: sat in a vehicle near the east skater Arias Woodbridge,
Speaker 1: and she sees a light coming towards She was facing
Speaker 1: out towards the forest and to her left is basically
Speaker 1: the runway of aria F Woodbridge and what you'd often
Speaker 1: see his aircraft coming in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and then suddenly the landing lights would all come on
Speaker 1: that illuminated and the planned with the plane would land. Well,
Speaker 1: she sees this light coming in at a fairly low trajectory,
Speaker 1: and she's looking at it and expecting the runway lights
Speaker 1: suddenly illuminate so he could land, and they don't. And
Speaker 1: as it comes towards her, she's thinking, that doesn't look
Speaker 1: like a plane. There's no noise or anything in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. And then suddenly as the object
Speaker 1: comes towards it, it divides into three objects that they
Speaker 1: can all go off in different directions, which is clearly
Speaker 1: not a plane. So that's a major instant in itself.
Speaker 1: And that was February of nineteen eighty. And then you
Speaker 1: go to July, and this is where Michael Stacey Smith
Speaker 1: gets involved. Michael Stacey Smith, the guy who's just told
Speaker 1: me about Lieutenant Money Tampling. He was by the East
Speaker 1: Skate and what you have is aircraft shelters to protect
Speaker 1: the aircraft. And he was in an area near the
Speaker 1: East Skate, just on patrol and he sees what he
Speaker 1: describes as as a beachfall size glowing object just running
Speaker 1: parallel just outside the perimeter, and he thinking, what the
Speaker 1: hell is this and he goes he's got his weapon
Speaker 1: trained on it, and he calls for backup, and two
Speaker 1: people come out, and one of them goes towards the
Speaker 1: fence and he actually cocks his weapon, and it's an
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