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Speaker 1: But here we are today, another exciting episode. You might

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Speaker 1: remember the story of Lisa Noak, bill Offaline and Colleen

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Speaker 1: Shipman as the astronaut love triangle. They really saturated the

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Speaker 1: whole news cycle in early two thousand seven. Now, naturally,

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Speaker 1: the media made this into the most sensational story they could.

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Speaker 1: They turned this incident into a total joke. But of course,

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Speaker 1: once you know us, once we started digging into it,

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Speaker 1: we found out that there's so much more to the story.

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Speaker 1: So let's strap in and learn all about these space

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Speaker 1: cadets and they're out of this world. Story that rocked

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Speaker 1: left off? Whoa hey that French Come listen. Well, Elien

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Speaker 1: and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no match making,

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Speaker 1: a romantic tips. It's just about pardiculous relationships, a lover.

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Speaker 1: a story where the second glance ridiculous role that a

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Okay, So, like we said,

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Speaker 1: you've probably heard the story about how crazy Lisa Noak is,

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Speaker 1: born on May tenth of nineteen sixty three in Washington,

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Speaker 1: On January six, two thousand three, NASA launched their one

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Speaker 1: In a two thousand and six interview, Lisa said, quote,

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Speaker 1: they loaded up the ship and probably just skipped the

426
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: countdown altogether. They're like, and Lisa and the crew of

427
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: the Discovery launched into space. You think by then she

428
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: was like, alright, whatever happens, And they were like, you know,

429
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 1: ten not She's I heard it all before. And then

430
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: they finally take up. She's like, oh, ship, we're actually

431
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: doing this through okay. At least they did some cool

432
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: stuff with the robotic arm in space, not just the

433
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: one on the Discovery, but she actually got to operate

434
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: the one on the I S S, which she had

435
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: helped install over the radio back in two thousand and one.

436
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: That's cool, spat relation station. What was she doing with

437
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: that arm? Was she like patting herself on the back propit,

438
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: like goddamn, I did amazing. I see her like High

439
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: five and other robotic arm ships flying by. Maybe she

440
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: like catch caught an asteroid, threw it back, playing catch

441
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: with her father, the son. She's like hanging ten. All

442
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: in all, she was in space for twelve days, eighteen hours,

443
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: and thirty six minutes and traveled five million miles. Oh

444
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: my god, that's like from East Atlanta to Midtown. Too

445
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: much time for a new Proclaimers song, I guess. So

446
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: the Discovery landed with no issues on July seventeen, Big

447
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: side of relief. So Lisa was home and she was

448
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 1: an American hero. So the crew members went on this

449
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 1: big publicity tour. They were throwing pitches at baseball games.

450
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: I wish with a robotic arm that puller. They were

451
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: doing interviews, signing autographs. They were just inspiring the ship

452
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: out of people, and Lesa met up with students at

453
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: naval academies. She spoke to kids at elementary and middle schools,

454
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: and attended a celebration at her own academy in Annapolis

455
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: for its thirtieth anniversary of admitting women to the school.

456
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: And she even spoke in the UK at the University

457
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: of Lee's with one of her crewmmates. We don't know

458
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: exactly what caused the deterioration of Lisa's marriage to Richard,

459
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: except for that sort of generic truth of astronaut life

460
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: is tough that we kind of have heard from other astronauts.

461
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: But Bill was more than just her secret lover. He

462
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: was her friend and confidante. Their sexual relationship seemed to

463
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: be secondary to how much they just looked out for

464
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: each other. But for Lisa, things were getting more serious.

465
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: Shortly after her mission, she and Richards separated and they

466
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: were in the process of a divorce. Lisa actually emailed

467
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: Bill's mother and said, quote, Bill is absolutely the best

468
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: person I've ever known, and I love him more than

469
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I ever knew possible. Your kindness in supporting us is

470
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: nothing short of extraordinary. Fortunately, the past situation is finally

471
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: coming to an end, and I am in the process

472
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: of completing all the official divorce paperwork. So we get

473
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: the impression that Bill's mom was into this. Lisa even

474
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: said even says an email like, uh, even though my

475
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: parents have not been very supportive, it's great how supportive

476
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: you've been. So, you know, maybe her family is not

477
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: loving that she's divorcing Richard and hanging out with this

478
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: new guy, Bill. But Bill's mom is like, oh, you're great.

479
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: You're what my son's always wanted. You know, you're an

480
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: American hero, right. Yeah, maybe she should a CC Bill

481
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: on some of these because even if she's sending emails

482
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: to Bill's mother, Bill was cooling off on their romance.

483
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: He generally considered their fling to be a temporary fun

484
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: like friends with benefits kind of thing and something like

485
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: enduring le romantic, and whether or not he was clear

486
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: about that with her is a mystery to us. Now.

487
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: We didn't know what they ever talked about or whatever,

488
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: but they definitely had two different ideas about what was

489
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: going on between them. I mean, you should if you're

490
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: whether you're in a you're just dating, or you're in

491
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: a secret affair, like you should probably be clear about

492
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: what your expectations are for a relationship that's true, or

493
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: if you're if you start with expectations and your feelings

494
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: deep in and unexpected things happen to you like you're

495
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, you might start something casually and then it

496
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: turns in more than you expected, but that should be

497
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: something you don't tell the guy's mom about. You should

498
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: tell you about four and you can immediately email his

499
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: mom and say how much I'm in love with But

500
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: I won't say anything to him because I don't make

501
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: things awkward. And again we don't know. She may have

502
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: talked to Bill about that, and Bill might have been like, yeah, sure,

503
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: that sounds good you know, we don't know if he

504
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: was clear, or he might have been leading her into

505
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: believing this was something more than it was. Yeah, I

506
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: really don't know who knows. Who knows. That's one of

507
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: those things about a relationship that's very hard to see

508
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: from the outside. Yes, yes, and again, just makes communication

509
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: the foundation. It's the most important thing. Yeah, very true.

510
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: I always says in our theme song, no romantic tips,

511
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: but there's just one for you. Get on the same page,

512
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: just at least at least get on the same page.

513
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: Around this time, Bill had been selected to pilot the

514
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle Discovery on mission STS one sixteen, so he

515
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: was frequently traveling to Florida for special training, and there

516
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: he met Colleen Shipman. Colleen worked for the Air Force

517
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: in Florida, testing hardware for space flights, and everybody loved her.

518
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: She and her roommate crashed a party that Bill was at,

519
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: and she later recalled quote, I was laughing that entire night.

520
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: He's just kind of off the wall funny, which is

521
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: very hot. Funny. Guys are great. I'm just saying, I mean, well,

522
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: and the world of astronauts. He's like, have you heard

523
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: of one about the computational investigations of the n A

524
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: c A zero zero one to airfoil and low Reynolds

525
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 1: number flows. I haven't what is it? So I don't know.

526
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: Hang on, I got something of this and he says,

527
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: ers zero one to airfoil, more like trying to make

528
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: a Reynolds wrap. It's really not working out. Have you

529
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: heard the one about the computational investigations of an NSFW

530
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: zero zero one to airfoil and Reynolds number flows. And

531
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: then he shows like a robotic arm, like doing a

532
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: jack off motion. Yeah, if there's one thing I know

533
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: about meeting women for the first time at a party,

534
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: it's go for a jack off joke. Hilarious. It always

535
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: works perfectly, Yes, romantic tempts. Now Bill initially told Colleen

536
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: that he was a firefighter, and specifically the kind of

537
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: firefighter who parachutes into forests to fight wildfires. He said

538
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: that he just didn't want his introduction to be this

539
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of cheesy, like, hey baby, I'm an astronaut, you know.

540
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: So he thought that sounded arrogant, so he tried to

541
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: tone it down. I'm like, tone it down, I'm an astronaut.

542
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: Let me, let me come up with something a little

543
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: more humble. I parachute into wildfires, like, are you serious? Yeah?

544
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to sound too

545
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: puffed up and arrogant, you know. I just all I

546
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: do is skydive into a forest fire and take care

547
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: of it myself single handedly. There's nothing but a super

548
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: soaker and a bottle of desany. That's right. I've saved

549
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: many baby animals. But I'm not an astronaut or anything,

550
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: and I'm no hero. I'm no hero, I'm no superman.

551
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. Colleen saw right through that, because

552
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: she is not a complete idiot. She worked on satellite launches,

553
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: so obviously she knew the crew of the upcoming Shuttle

554
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: launch and this guy was going to be the pilot.

555
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: But she said, quote, he was really exuberant and very nice,

556
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: polite and energetic. When you meet somebody who's so charismatic,

557
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: you just want to be around them. That's what it was.

558
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: So they swapped numbers and the next night they went

559
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: out for pizza, and then they started to see each

560
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: other more. Whenever Bill was in Florida, they would hang out,

561
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: and Colleen even made a few weekend trips to Texas

562
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: when Bill was at home, and Bill knew that in

563
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: order to have an honest relationship with Colleen, he would

564
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: have to end things romantically between him and Lisa. So

565
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: he met with Lisa, and he was honest. He told

566
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: her he'd met someone he was happy with her. Lisa

567
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: would always be his friend, but he was falling in

568
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: love with Colleen and they wanted to be exclusive. And

569
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: Lisa basically responded by saying Okay, cool, sweet, perfect. Bill

570
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: said in a statement that quote, she seemed a little disappointed,

571
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: but she seemed to be accepting. She even said she

572
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: hoped that Bill and Colleen had fun on the upcoming

573
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: weekend they had planned together. But how did she really

574
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: take it? We'll see the dark side of her moon

575
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: right after the Welcome back to the show everyone, And

576
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: that was one small step for Bill and one giant

577
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: leap about to happen for Lisa. Yes, Um, Bill and

578
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: Colleen's long distance relationship continue to develop, and he told her,

579
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, I've broken it off with Lisa. That's all

580
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: behind us now. He said he and Lisa would remain friends,

581
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: but quote, there's no romance there or anything. Colleen even

582
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: joked with him later telling ABC News quote, I asked,

583
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: h is there going to be some crazy lady showing

584
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: up at my door, you know, trying to kill me?

585
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: But Bill said no, no, nothing like that. When the

586
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: time came for Bill's own launch into space, Colleen was

587
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: right there. She stood next to Bill's mother at the

588
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: observation site and together they clutched hands as the di

589
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: recovery made liftoff, and she was cool with Colleen to

590
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying Bill's mother is really kind of

591
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: a cheater here. I'm going to call out Bill's mother

592
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: as the source of all these problems because she's trying

593
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: to play both sides. She's just like, I just want

594
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: some one to marry my son. I don't care which

595
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: one of it as it is. She's like I hated

596
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: that michaela anyone but her. Her casseroles were just not acceptable.

597
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of woman his mom is. Well,

598
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: she loves a casserole. Who doesn't love a cast role,

599
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: That's the real question. I know I'm Southern here, but

600
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: come on anyway. So, among the personal items that Bill

601
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: took to space was a small picture of Colleen, which

602
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: he taped to the shuttle console. And a small charm

603
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: she gave to him, which is cute, especially when you

604
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: consider how few things they probably get. Bill even made

605
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: a phone call to Colleen from space. That's really going

606
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: the extra mile. But Colleen said, quote, I didn't wreck

607
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: agnized the phone number on the caller I d so

608
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: I just let voicemail get it. It was him. I

609
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: didn't even know that was possible, and I didn't answer it. Okay,

610
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: you gotta text somebody and be like, hey, I got

611
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: a new number. He left a short message saying that

612
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: she was the first thing he wanted to see when

613
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: he landed, and they sent emails back and forth while

614
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: he was in space. She wrote to him, quote, We'll

615
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: have to control myself when I see you. First urge

616
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: will be to rip your clothes off, throw you to

617
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: the ground, and love the hell out of you. He wrote,

618
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: quote I need to see you. I am having colleen withdrawals.

619
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: Must see Colleen. All right, I'm just saying James Joyce's

620
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: James Joyce's Love Letters to farts. We're better than this.

621
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: But that's okay. You know what they were doing there,

622
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: but their astronauts, they're no Nicholas Sparks books coming out

623
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: of them. Yes, not quite the evocative emotion you expect

624
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: from the longest distance romance. All right, very true, very true.

625
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: But that's okay. They're trying, you know, they're trying to

626
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: sext a little bit, trying to keep the romance alive.

627
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: Not everyone's a Syra now. So after Bill's returned to Earth,

628
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: they saw more and more of each other, and they

629
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: regularly traveled between Florida and Texas to spend time together,

630
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: and Lisa and Bill stayed in touch pretty regularly too.

631
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: She called him every day, though Bill later said quote,

632
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't always receptive to the phone call. But if

633
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: he didn't answer, she just left him a friendly message.

634
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: They still biked together regularly, and they were still Jim partners.

635
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: Bill was glad because everything worked out fine. Look, everybody's happy.

636
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: I got the woman of my dreams. I got my

637
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: best friend over here, I got to go to space.

638
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: Mom's happy, no matter what. Someone right. So everybody was happy,

639
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: except they weren't. Sam Gwinn wrote in the Texas Monthly Journal, quote,

640
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: it is perhaps a measure of Bill's capacity for self

641
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: delusion that he believed Lisa was accepting of this, as

642
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: he later told police. Lisa, of course, had not accepted

643
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: any of this. I have to say, I don't know

644
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: if it's his self delusion or maybe possibly also hers,

645
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: because she is acting like she's fine. What is what

646
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: other conclusion is he supposed to draw? I guess I

647
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: wonder if she was, because the person who says she

648
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: was acting like everything was fine is consistently Bill. He's

649
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: the only one who's weighed in on this, So she

650
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: might have been like, uh, oh, okay, Well, I guess

651
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, then all I

652
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: can do is wish you well. And he's like, great, cool,

653
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: sounds like you, totally approved, sounds good to me, and

654
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: just as oblivious to her tone, her mood, her atmosphere.

655
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: Don't know if we can only spatulate here, um, so

656
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: I can't really say for sure. Also calling him every day,

657
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: it's definitely yeah, that's a little weird. I don't know.

658
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: Maybe some people talk to their best friend every day.

659
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't talk to my best friend every day. No,

660
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: definitely frequently, but not every day. No, especially calling on

661
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: the phone. What am I? What am I? In two

662
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: thousand seven? But I do, uh talk to most of

663
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: my exes pretty regularly. I have stayed friends with most

664
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: of my exes, um, and you're even friends with most

665
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: of my exes at this point, because you know, these

666
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: are people that I shared time with and we we

667
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: became really close and it didn't work out romantically, but

668
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: we still have something as friends. And that's that's important

669
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: to me. For those people that I liked, you know,

670
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: and still continue to like despite you know, various levels

671
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: of how it ended. Uh, still found a way usually

672
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: to remain friends. Not always, but if they called you

673
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: every day, if they called me every day, I wouldn't answer.

674
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: And if they were like if I was getting a

675
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: re like this person might be obsessed with me a feelings, Yeah,

676
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: probably be time to at least address that, if not

677
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: layoff and kind of disappear right. Well, anyway, people are inscrutable,

678
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: That's that's very true. That can be true anyway. One

679
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: day in late January, while Bill was at work, Lisa

680
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: used her key to break into his apartment. She had

681
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: been obsessing over Colleen for at least a few weeks now,

682
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: and she wanted more information about the woman who had

683
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: seduced her lover away. She lugged onto Bill's computer. I

684
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: guess he's never changed his password. There's one he's like

685
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: astronaut password, space man, spaceman, He's like Major Tom or something.

686
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: She's like, I know, it's rocket Man. I know what

687
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about. So anyway, she put in his rocketman

688
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: password and opened his email. Do think he used rocket mail?

689
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: Do you remember rocket Mail? I do now, But if

690
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: you had asked me to name it a second ago,

691
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: there's no chance I remember that. So she opened his email.

692
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: All the steamy correspondents from his time in space was

693
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: there and more, and Lisa printed several messages out and

694
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: took them with her. Then she saw the itinerary for

695
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: Colleen's upcoming visit to Houston February one to February four.

696
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: Lisa printed out maps with driving directions from Orlando to

697
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Houston and hand wrote a detailed packing list. Plastic gloves, glasses, makeup, sneakers,

698
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: black size eight black sweats, a sharp knife, a gun, binoculars,

699
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: a baseball cap, food, water, and a cooler for the car.

700
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: I like all these like neferius things. And then and

701
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: make sure you have a cooler because I'm gonna want

702
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: a cold drink. I mean, I'm bringing jelly. So Colleen

703
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: arrived in Houston, and she had some strange feelings when

704
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: she got there. She was having a hard time with

705
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: Bill's X being so present in his life. She asked

706
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: about the women's purple bike in his apartment and Bill

707
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: was just like, Oh, that's just Lisa's. But she later said,

708
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: quote it made me very uncomfortable because it made me

709
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: think he didn't quite cut his ties. Maybe. After going

710
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: out for drink Saturday night, they got back to his apartment,

711
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: climbed into bed, and started to get busy, at which

712
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: point Bill said, oh, Lisa, Oh awkward. I mean, like,

713
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: I don't think this situation obviously he's got Lisa on

714
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: his mind. But I will say I think we should

715
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: cut people slack for saying the wrong name. Yeah. I

716
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: almost call you Hobbes like four times a day, you know,

717
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: but I might. It's entirely possible. My brain with just

718
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: And it's not because I'm thinking about Hobbes when I

719
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: say it's just, I'm just going through the list of

720
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: names I always say. So I guess not. I mean,

721
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: I've never had this problem myself, so I don't know

722
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: how to respond to this. I do know that like

723
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: some parents, like my parents, for example. Yeah, like Jannis

724
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: family member until they finally found pets. Yeah, so that

725
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: definitely happens when you're angry. I don't feel that that

726
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: happens necessarily the same way when you're an extremists, all right, way,

727
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: and on this folks, you can send us a message

728
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: or something up a pole. And do you think it's

729
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: bad to call out someone else's name in bed? Or

730
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: is it really fine and not a big deal somewhere between?

731
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: Is it like that again? Everyone perfectly acceptable and actually

732
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: a little exciting to throw out another name once in

733
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: a while. I Oh, Tilda, Tilda, who's Tilda exactly? Tilda?

734
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: All right? So super awkward. Um, but it was all fine.

735
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: They smoothed it out. On Sunday night, she took her

736
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: scheduled flight back to Orlando, and she landed just after

737
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: one am on February five. Colleen's bags were delayed for

738
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: over two hours, so she decided that she would just

739
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: wait for them. The airport was quiet. It's not many

740
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: people around in the Orlando airport. At two o'clock in

741
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: the morning, and in the shadows lurked a woman in

742
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: a hooded trench coat round red glasses, black sneakers, and

743
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: a black wig. It was Lisa. She followed Colleen all

744
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: the way to the baggage claim and she stood just

745
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: a few feet away from her as Colleen picked up

746
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: her bags. Then, around three thirty am, Colleen hopped into

747
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: an empty shuttle bus and Lisa followed. She looked so

748
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: ridiculous in this like cartoonish disguise she had on. She

749
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: might as well have had one of those like big

750
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: noses with the glasses. It was just so noticeable that

751
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: Colleen was definitely super suspicious about this woman that followed

752
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: he around to the shuttle. I'm imagining it's probably a

753
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: really bad black wig. All that like sits a little

754
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: high on your head. You know what I'm talking about?

755
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: This woman. I don't know how to put this on.

756
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: This woman wrote a paper called Computational Investigations of an

757
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: n A c Zer zero twelve Airfoil in Low Reynolds

758
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: number flows. She don't know how to put a costume together.

759
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: She needed help from a theater friend. I'll tell you what.

760
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: When Halloween rolls around, she goes straight to party City,

761
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: grabs something out of the bag, and calls it a day.

762
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: She has probably sexy astronauts. I was going to say,

763
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: probably straight up foam astronaut costume. WHI should be so

764
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: funny because you'd have like a good one, like maybe

765
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: NASA doesn't let you just walk out for Halloween, you

766
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: knowing someone's going to bombit on that all of a sudden,

767
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: we gotta sho can borrow this one point six million

768
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: dollar suit for my Halloween costume? Tonight? I'm going to

769
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: a great party. There's a really good prize for the

770
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: costume contest at Chili's. I really wanted. Do you know

771
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: how many margarit does? That is so Colleen is on

772
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: this empty shuttle bus just with Lisa being weird as

773
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: ship in the corner, and Colleen got off at or stop.

774
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: She went quickly to her car. Just as she closed

775
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: the door, Lisa came charging straight at her. She tried

776
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: to pull the handle of her front door, but Colleen

777
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: had locked the door. Lisa banged on the window and shouted,

778
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: can you help me please? My boyfriend was supposed to

779
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: pick me up. Can you give me a ride to

780
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: the parking office? Now? Colleen is an Air Force captain

781
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: and not a great a idiot, as we've noted before,

782
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: so she simply said no, if you need help, send

783
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: someone to help you. Lisa said she couldn't hear her,

784
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: and she started crying, She's really distraught. So Colleen cracked

785
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: open the window just two inches and Lisa quickly whipped

786
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: out her pepper spray and maced Colleen. Colleen shouted, you

787
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: bitch and sped away. I last your bitch. I mean

788
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: there was two words came to mind, and that's what yes,

789
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: So Colleen speeds away. She called airport security and within

790
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: minutes they found Lisa trying to throw away a bag

791
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: that had a loaded BB gun pistol in it, as

792
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: well as the wig that she had been wearing. Lisa

793
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: was also carrying a second bag that had a sharp

794
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: knife and a brand new steel mallet. Having left the

795
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: day before, Lisa drove over nine hundred miles from Houston

796
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: to Orlando without stopping so that she could catch Colleen.

797
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: At her arrival, Lisa's car was searched and it also

798
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: contained rubber tubing, plastic gloves, and all the other crazy

799
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: stuff from her list. They're like, oh, but there's a

800
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: nice cold drink in here. Police also found printed out

801
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: bondage photos and drawings in the car, and when asked

802
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: about the weapons, Lisa said that she never intended to

803
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: hurt Colleen. She just wanted to scare her into talking,

804
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: and then if she didn't talk, she would have used

805
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: the bb gun to scare her and just wanted to

806
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: hear her talk. Well, that's okay, person, and yeah talk

807
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: about what. Yeah, I met Bill at a party. Was funny.

808
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: We started dating. That more information? Do you need ben?

809
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: Dating seriously for a while now and y'all broke up? Yes,

810
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: so get your bike out of a man's house, That's

811
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: what I got to say. Also, Yeah, creepy that those

812
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: bondage photos were in there. I guess she was like

813
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: looking at how to tie someone up, which I imagine

814
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: is what the rubber tubing was. For sure, I was

815
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: going to ask what the bondage. That's a little weird,

816
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: but that makes sense. Yeah, she's like going a shabbari,

817
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: not enter a chair. She seems like this better not

818
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: awaken anything in me. Lisa ties her up and it's

819
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: like this elaborate, beautiful rope design out of rubber tubing, right,

820
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: and you know you gotta work with the person being

821
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: tied up to Colleen's like, well, that's more comfortable thinking

822
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: it's about connection. So Lisa was charged with attempted murder,

823
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: attempted kidnapping, attempted burglary, battery, and destruction of evidence. And

824
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: this is the first time an astronaut has ever been arrested.

825
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: Police cited quote the detailed planning by Noick, the fact

826
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: that she wore a disguise, her prolonged surveillance of the victim,

827
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: the fact that she passed up numerous opportunity at East

828
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: to contact the victim as evidence for the attempted murder

829
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: and kidnapping charges, right because you know she's saying I

830
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: just wanted to talk to her, and they're looking at

831
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: the security footage and they're like, you were following her

832
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: for hours. You had every opportunity to talk to her,

833
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: and you chose to wait until she was alone in

834
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: her car Like in face, yeah, yeah, I don't think

835
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: you want to talk to fellow astronauts. Flew to Florida

836
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: and t thirty eight jets to appear before a judge

837
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: on her behalf, and while the state argued that the

838
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: facts laid out a well planned attempt to kidnap and

839
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: potentially injured Colleen. Her lawyer argued quote one's good works

840
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: must count for something, and she was released on bail

841
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: on the condition that she wore an ankle monitor and

842
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: not contact or approach Colleen a NASA placed her on

843
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: a thirty day leave. The story got into the news

844
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: cycle quickly, and they had a lot of damage control

845
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: to do. Some people were claiming that pressures of astronaut

846
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: training and the presentation of them as our greatest heroes

847
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: was too much and this sort of snap was inevitable,

848
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: but others focused on some dumb ships, and y'all, if

849
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: you've heard this story, this is probably what you know

850
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: about it. When Lisa was arrested, police reportedly found a

851
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: case of toddler's diapers in the trunk of her car,

852
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: two of them used. When asked, Lisa reportedly told them

853
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: that she had used those two so that she wouldn't

854
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: have to stop on her drive from Houston to Orlando,

855
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: and later her attorneys said that the diapers were left

856
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: over in her car from when she and her young

857
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: children had to flee Texas during Hurricane Rita back in

858
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: two thousand five. But you know how the news is.

859
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: They focused exclusively on this aspect, and it just blew

860
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: up in the reports. You know, at late night, hosts

861
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: went hard on the jokes, got Jay Leno out there, Hey, yeah,

862
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: you had about this one, the lady and the diaper

863
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: chin flapping, jin flapping, and headlines claimed that she drove

864
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: across the whole country in a single astronaut diaper, like

865
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: the kind they have to wear on on launch and reentry. Yeah,

866
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: just just never changed, wearing it the whole time. None

867
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: of this was really accurate. It was all kind of bullshit,

868
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: and regardless, it was totally irrelevant to what was going on.

869
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: Even Colleen later in interviews, said that she wished people

870
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: would just drop that and focus on the actual issue.

871
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: She said, quote, that's pretty superficial. Don't you think the

872
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: woman committed a crime and headlines are saying that she

873
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: wore a diaper. That's so true because I know, for me,

874
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, this lady wore a diaper

875
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: to like drive to her boyfriend's house. That was like

876
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: legitimately it. I didn't even know that there was a dispute. Uh,

877
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: and the fair thing that she committed a crime, I

878
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: really only knew about this diaper thing. Yeah, so that's

879
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: very interesting. That's such a tiny really just a tiny

880
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: detail in the story, right, and that obviously is what

881
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: made it blow up, and frankly, it's what led us

882
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: to want to put this couple on our list. But

883
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: then learning the story, you're just like she's I'm glad

884
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: we get a chance to kind of tell this version

885
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: of it, because obviously that was nonsense and so just

886
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: looking at the wrong thing the whole time, So moving on,

887
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: forget about that part was never a big deal. So

888
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: the murder and kidnapping charges were eventually dropped, and Lisa

889
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: was ultimately charged with felony burglary and misdemeanor battery, which

890
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: she played guilty too as part of a plea deal.

891
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: Court psychiatrists evaluated her and diagnosed her with O C

892
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: D Asperger syndrome and quote a brief psychotic disorder with

893
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: marked stressors at the time of the incident. So I

894
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: guess that's like a psychologist way of being like, she

895
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: snapped because you're a lot of pressure for She was

896
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: sentenced to one year of probation with no additional jail time.

897
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: In two thousand eight, she actually completed her divorce and

898
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: was given full custody of her children. I think that's interesting.

899
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: There's something about the U. If she weren't an astronaut,

900
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: if this is just too crazy Texan and a crazy Floridian,

901
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: like two women you never heard of, like this would

902
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: never make it past page ten of a local newspaper. Nothing,

903
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: nothing really happened. You know, there was a minor assault,

904
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: some pepper spray and this lady and it looked like

905
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: this lady mnd have on something real crazy, but she didn't.

906
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: So all that kind of swept aside, and once she

907
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: was sort of evaluated, it was interesting that, you know,

908
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what Richard was doing that made the

909
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: judge be like, no, yes you can have full custody

910
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: woman who at charge on her record, But it does

911
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: kind of show you. I guess how they were able

912
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: to kind of minimize the whole thing. Maybe so or

913
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe because she had raised them so exclusively

914
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: while he was overseas or something fed into that, right,

915
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe he was still an active service

916
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: and couldn't take full custody. I don't know. Or maybe

917
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: they were just like, let's not push this lady anything further.

918
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: She might show up at Bill and colleens for no

919
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: reason at all. Right, Um, yeah, I don't know. What

920
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: I think is interesting too, is that they had this

921
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: psych psychiatric analysis, But don't you have to go through

922
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: that to be an astronaut in the first place. Well,

923
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: this comes up a lot. Did they evaluate their astronauts properly?

924
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: And after this happened, you know, NASA had to do

925
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: a lot of damage control, and one thing they talked

926
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: about was like, we'll try to adjust how we're evaluating

927
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: our astronauts before and afterwards. But this wasn't something that

928
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: they would have caught at a given time beforehand, necessarily

929
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: if she wasn't under that kind of duress. I guess, Yeah,

930
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't know something you already had. Maybe maybe they

931
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: were again, maybe they were dormant until you know, this

932
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: sort of like brought it out. I'm not a psychologist,

933
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: believe it or not. I don't really know how that works.

934
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: But but if you do, if you get into more

935
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: of a deep dive about sort of NASA and this

936
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: whole incident, a lot of conversation about mental health in

937
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: the astronaut program, how they're dealing with that, how they're

938
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: catching that ahead of time, and what they're doing okay.

939
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: NASA basically informed Lisa and Bill that due to their adultery,

940
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: they would no longer be employed as astronauts and kind

941
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: of handed the whole thing back to the Navy to

942
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: handle her. In two ten, she received a less than

943
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: honorable discharge from the Navy and a demotion from captain

944
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: to commander. In seventeen, People magazine reported that she was

945
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: living quietly in Texas with her children. She lives a

946
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: pretty quiet life working in the private sector. Meanwhile, Bill

947
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: and Colleen actually worked it out. Bill retired from the

948
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: Navy in two thousand eight and they moved to Anchorage,

949
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: Alaska together. In two thousand nine, they went on a

950
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: wilderness trip together and Bill had an engagement ring stashed

951
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: in his fishing box. At the beginning of the trip,

952
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 1: he proposed and she said yes, And they were totally

953
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: out of cell service and everything in the wilderness of Alaska.

954
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: So he programmed his emergency tracking divid to send out

955
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: an alert to his family, but he didn't realize that

956
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: the device automatically inserts the word help before every message,

957
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: so his family all got a text saying help. I

958
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: asked Colleen to marry me. And she said yes. Not

959
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: only that, but it kept repeating the message for a

960
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: week until they finally got back to civilization. They were like,

961
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: I've made a huge mistake. To be fair, I sent

962
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: out the same text. I know you did. I she said, yes,

963
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm not anticipating that. I really was hoping she'd throw

964
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: this ring in my face. That's hilarious. Help has to

965
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: to marry me, and she said yes. Colleen has spoken

966
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: about the incident a little bit more than anyone else.

967
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: She said, quote, the crime hasn't defined us at all.

968
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: It's not an issue in our lives today. She spoke

969
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: to People magazine in mostly to protect Bill's reputation. She said, quote,

970
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: the Air Force treated me like a criminal and NASA

971
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: treated Lisa like a victim. While she enjoyed an immediate

972
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: thirty days of leave, I was run ragged, made to

973
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: report in, moved into an apartment on base, and ordered

974
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: to have no contact with Bill. She said the media

975
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: made him out to be someone horrible, but she knew

976
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: him as a great guy, and that they helped each

977
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: other get through this whole mess, which I have a

978
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: little sympathy for that. Again, I mean, you know, she

979
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: did do something crazy, So it would be really weird

980
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: to have her positioned as like, I mean, a victim,

981
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: oh Lisa, Yeah. Um, And definitely Colleen have to deal

982
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: with all this stuff like she had done something wrong

983
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: instead of been attacked randomly out of nowhere. But she

984
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: has an American hero, so I guess you have different

985
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: perks with that. I think that's just what makes it

986
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: complicated and worth really taking a second look at, because

987
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, yes, Lisa assaulted someone, she planned something

988
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: really dangerous and harm full and might have really hurt

989
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: somebody if she had been given the opportunity to do so. Um.

990
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: But we can look at the causes for all that

991
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: what led her to it and at least have some

992
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: sympathy um, but certainly not. It's not a defense for

993
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: that um. And Colleen, for her part, was practically oblivious

994
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: to any of this happening and literally did nothing wrong.

995
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: So like she was, out of all three of them,

996
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: Colleen was like the most innocent bystander of all, Like

997
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: she wasn't having an affair, she wasn't sneaking around on anybody.

998
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: She was just found a nice guy and wanted to

999
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: settle down. Yeah, Sam, Gwynn writes, quote, we may never

1000
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: know exactly what was in Lisa's heart, what she thought, felt, believed,

1001
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: or dreamed, how desperately she loved, or how compulsively she hated,

1002
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: or why she would do something that was guaranteed to

1003
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: ruin the extraordinary life that she had spent forty three

1004
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: years meticulously craft ding. But he and a few other

1005
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: journalists do dig into the rigors of astronaut life and

1006
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: the extreme stress that they're regularly under. And like we said,

1007
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: but the mental health issues that kind of stem from

1008
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: that and can make that existing ones that can make

1009
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: that more difficult than it would have been otherwise. NBC

1010
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: reported on the issue in two thousand seven, saying that

1011
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: many astronauts are inherently huge overachievers with ambitious goals, and

1012
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: once they've gone to space and come home, they're kind

1013
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: of left a bit stranded. Jay Barberie of NBC said, quote,

1014
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: most every one of the astronauts came back from space

1015
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: with adjustment issues. Buzz Aldrin, who suffered from depression and

1016
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: alcoholism after his return to Earth, for example, said NASA

1017
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: quote can deal with the physics and engineering they behave predictably,

1018
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: but you can't predict the human reaction and how complex

1019
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: it is. He said, Lisa had to be somehow asking

1020
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: the question what do I do next? But nobody is

1021
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: helping them to readjust wow. So they're saying like, once

1022
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: they reached the zenith of all their all their goals,

1023
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: they're sort of moralists and they don't know, yeah, what

1024
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: they're working towards anymore. You've got to imagine these are

1025
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: people who, from high school or earlier, were fully devoted

1026
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: to this dream and probably logged more hours than you

1027
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: or I ever did, working while they were still kids,

1028
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: leading well into adulthood, years and years and years trying

1029
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: to achieve this dream of going to space. And they

1030
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: go to space literally the most outrageous, seemingly unachievable a

1031
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: goal you can achieve, and then what's next? And that's

1032
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: that comes up a lot with astronauts. There's a movie

1033
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: very loosely based on this incident with Natalie Portman that

1034
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: came out in twenty nineteen called Lucy and the Sky.

1035
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. It's very very very very very loosely

1036
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: based on this incident, um but they focus more on

1037
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 1: that on her having gone to space and coming home

1038
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: and feeling very disillusioned with the world and not really

1039
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: feeling like she had a place anymore. Um, it's you know,

1040
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of to just nerd, to like nerd relate

1041
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: it real quick. It's like Bilbo going out on his

1042
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: journey with the dwarves and seeing a dragon and finding

1043
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: the ring and all this stuff, and then going back

1044
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: to the Shire and they expected to just like farm,

1045
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, and he's like, how am I supposed to

1046
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: live a normal life after I've gone to space? Sure,

1047
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, we'll put plus you see the planet. Yeah,

1048
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean I know, for example, Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins,

1049
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: Neil Armstrong, they all spoke about how crazy it was

1050
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: to see the planet so small, and I don't know

1051
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: how small all the stuff that happens on it seems

1052
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: when you're that far away. And then you get back

1053
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: in it and everyone's like, well, climb, climb back into

1054
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: the mere. Yeah. Like a minute ago, I was so

1055
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: above it, like literally and figuratively that like this seems

1056
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: so petty. Yeah, and why do I want to Why

1057
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: do I care about this? Yeah? And again yeah, there

1058
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversation after this incident, and

1059
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure still about exactly these issues. I mean, Plus,

1060
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: you can't tell anyone about all the aliens that you've seen, Yeah,

1061
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, walking around out there. Oh my god again Hello, Hell,

1062
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: we heard you mentioned aliens. Of course we had a

1063
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: stuff in you wanted to. Oh boy, for newer listeners,

1064
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: if you haven't heard the whole show, we've had these

1065
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: aliens crash our episode a little while. Although I appreciate

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01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: you guys seem to have beamed in today instead of

1067
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: crashing through the roof. Oh that's nice of you, Thank you.

1068
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: We decided it was the least we could do after

1069
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: destroying our home three separate occasions. We know they get

1070
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: ready for Yeah, I heard you're talking about that type lady. No, No,

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01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: what's your name again? My name is oh Zark and

1072
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: this year is my friends feak directly GLORLEI globe, keep

1073
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: exact leap globe. That's the one. It's a very challenging pronunciation,

1074
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: and it's well, look, no, that's not the issue that

1075
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: we're talking about. That wipe that from your mind. This

1076
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: story is about a complicated relationship, mental health issues and

1077
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: the struggles and the rigors of astronaut training. It is

1078
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: true that when we came to have the planets, we

1079
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: tell them many secrets that you cannot know. That you

1080
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: will never know that. We only came to see you

1081
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: our favorite podcast, Ridiculous Romance. All right, thank you for

1082
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: stopping in. Yeah, yeah, we always we always love you.

1083
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: Coming back. We'd like to join you on your trip

1084
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. I've always wanted to meet Charlie Chaplin.

1085
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: It's a bad news for you on two counts there.

1086
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he's such a good guy. And it's

1087
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: been dead for a while. Oh well, not have a

1088
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: dream even in Hollywood. Well then we'll just go back

1089
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: to our planet. I suppose. Okay you are I did

1090
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: everyone back home that Lisa No, I didn't wear a

1091
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: diaper for nine hundred mile. Yes, we will spread this

1092
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: information throughout the galaxy. It will be less well respected.

1093
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: How okay, can you do a lot of planet loves

1094
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: wearing diapers since we have not invented indoor plumbing. Before diapers,

1095
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: we were just pooping in the streets, and we poop

1096
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: from four different holes. WHOA, please don't poop right here? Okay, yeah,

1097
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's time for you guys to head out. Okay,

1098
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: thank you, goodbye. Okay, man, they have really bad timing,

1099
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: they really do. We're like trying to wrap up the story.

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01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: And if I'm being honest, I don't think they had

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01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: anything to say that time. No, I don't know why

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: they It seemed like a last minute jump in that

1103
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: they hadn't really thought out too clearly before they showed up.

1104
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: We'll forgive it. That's fine, so anyway to wrap up.

1105
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: Of course, being an astronaut can be even more challenging

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01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: for women. Surprise, something is more challenging for women. Away,

1107
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: that's not a thing. See it with my own two

1108
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: man eyes. Well, try opening them sometime and you will.

1109
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh it's terrible. I'm going to close

1110
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: these again. Commander Eileen Collins was interviewed by Sam Gwynn

1111
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: and said quote, I tell young girls that the two

1112
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: best jobs in the world are being an astronaut and

1113
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: being a mother. But the difference is for a woman,

1114
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: the husband usually also works, so you end up doing

1115
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: the work at home. Sometimes I just had to stay

1116
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: awake to get the job done. When do you answer

1117
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: your email? You do it at home because you have

1118
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: no time at work. And John Clark, the husband of

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01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: the woman who died in the Columbia explosion, said that

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01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: women astronauts quote make more sacrifices than the original astronauts did.

1121
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: They have to balance two careers. You don't come home

1122
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: at night like most of the male astronauts and have

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01:06:54,920 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: everything ready for you. Very important point about pretty much everything.

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01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: And I say, why not, excuse me if my wife's

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01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: an astronaut. Yeah, I can make dinner while she's off

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01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: astronaut ng before she comes home. When you make dinner now?

1127
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not an astronaut. Oh yeah, Wait a second,

1128
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: how come you're not an astronaut? Is that not enough?

1129
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a good point. You know,

1130
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: you you you got the double shift, right, Isn't that

1131
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: What people talk about with working women is the double

1132
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: shift where they go to work and then they come

1133
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: home and they have to continue being a full time

1134
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: mom and caregiver and so on, and that many men

1135
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: not all men, of course, but many men don't contribute

1136
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: to those things. Is especially even if they're like I

1137
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: cleaned up a little bit and I watched the kids

1138
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: for a while, Like they're just not doing as much

1139
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: as the women are doing. Um, And so yeah, that

1140
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: makes it doubly trip le difficult for women to achieve anything,

1141
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: because I think the men's mindset must be, well, my

1142
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: role is to have a job, and your role is

1143
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: to do the house stuff. If you want to add

1144
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: a job to that, that's up to you. I'm not

1145
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm very progressive and I'll allow it, but you know,

1146
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to cover for you with the

1147
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: other stuff. I guess I don't get that. Yeah, it's

1148
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: I rolly for sure, because it's just like, especially in

1149
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: this country now, when you kind of need two incomes

1150
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: to pay for things, like you kind of too need

1151
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: to astronaut incomes to handle things in this country. I mean,

1152
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: I know people achieve it, you know, with one income,

1153
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying it's it's less of a one

1154
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: or the other than it used to be, right, And

1155
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: so now it's sort of like, well if you have

1156
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: to have both, And I guess we need to really

1157
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: be talking about a more equitable division of this home labor,

1158
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: these chores. And I appreciate that she Lisa and Richard

1159
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: tried to handle that until he got called back to duty,

1160
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, where they sort of alternated time off of

1161
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: work to handle the kids. And stuff. I know a

1162
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: lot of people have that arrangement and it works. Well,

1163
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: you have wonder fuh Richard wasn't on the phone with

1164
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: w saying, Hey, don't you need me come out there?

1165
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: These kids driving me crazy. I'm in the reserve. Maybe

1166
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: that's why she divorced it. She was like, oh my god,

1167
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: he keeps saying I babysat the kids today. You're there, bother,

1168
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: you pace our ship. It's not babysitting. I don't know.

1169
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: We don't know, Richard Richard Richards like, I love watching

1170
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: my lad right right, I don't know. But yeah, that's

1171
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: this is a tough one because you're so right about

1172
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: the mental health stuff being such a such a interesting

1173
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: aspect of it. Who knows what it's like to leave

1174
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 1: the planet, right, I mean that must be kind of

1175
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: a mind fuck all on its own, let alone all

1176
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: the extra work that goes around to being able to

1177
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: leave the planet. Yeah, and you know, I'll say this

1178
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: is another story too of just like sensationalism in the headlines,

1179
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: really influencing everyone's opinion about this story for for decades, right,

1180
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: And it wasn't hard to find the rest of this info.

1181
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: I just had to Look, you know, it's not like

1182
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: it was being hidden by the mainstream idea and all

1183
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: they talked about was the diapers and stuff. It's just

1184
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: that's what trend did and whatever trending was in two

1185
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: thousand seven, and that's what everyone was talking about. Yeah,

1186
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: that's what's going to get you to click the headline.

1187
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: But if you see something outrageous like this, there's a

1188
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: good chance that there's another story behind it, you know,

1189
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: more than likely. Yeah, so if there wasn't, that'd still

1190
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: be worth looking into. Right, I'm like, wow, she really

1191
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: did do that. That's okay, we need somebody to come

1192
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: talk to about personal hygiene. I mean, right, you need

1193
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: at least change your diapers, you know, after every use.

1194
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: But again, it's like, what where did that even come from?

1195
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: Just a passing reference. There weren't even photographs in the

1196
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: police report of like the diapers in the trunk or

1197
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: anything like that. It was just like a note on

1198
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: a notepad like, oh, she said they were for this,

1199
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: and then everybody took that and it became the crime

1200
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: of the century. But again, at my goal I think

1201
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: would be to separate that element from this story, which

1202
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 1: is about way more interesting and important things. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.

1203
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: So I hope that's what you got from it, dear listeners,

1204
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: And I hope that all you aspiring astronauts out there

1205
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: take a little time for yourself, a little mental health

1206
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,480
Speaker 1: day now and then yeah, maybe maybe have a therapist

1207
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: talk about whatever comes up from whatever happens in your

1208
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: space training and everything. Like I can't even I can't

1209
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: even come up with a scenario, but because I don't

1210
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: know anything about it right right, Um, But yeah, even

1211
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: without the kids and the marriage and stuff, there must

1212
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 1: be so much fear and excitement and anticipation and everything

1213
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: around going to space that like it would be very

1214
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: helpful to sit and talk to someone about all that

1215
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: for real. And beyond that. Also again, even if you're

1216
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: not an astronaut and you're just have having a little

1217
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: fling with someone or having a super secret dangerous affair communication,

1218
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: you know, talk about it beyond the same page. Don't

1219
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: have one of you thinking, oh, this is the rest

1220
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: of my life and the other one going like, we're

1221
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: just friends when we get to bank. Sometimes that's great

1222
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: recipe for disaster. Yeah, and here is your disaster. I

1223
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: just took it out of the oven. Recipe complete. Here's

1224
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: the disaster. It's a pepper spray in the face and

1225
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: a whole trial for attempted murder. It's a pop tart

1226
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: covered in mustard. Oh no, the worst recipe, the ultimate

1227
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: recipe for disaster. Well, y'all shoot us a message. Let

1228
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: us know how you take your pop tarts. Yes, let

1229
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: us know about your dreams for going to space. I am,

1230
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm very excited for the Artemis mission. Yeah,

1231
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: it's it's about time we go back and give that

1232
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: moon a piece of our mind. Collectively, whatever it is

1233
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: we do mos like, I'm just over here regulating the tides. Okay,

1234
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why Matt I'd been said, shoot us

1235
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: an email romance that I heart media dot com. Yeah,

1236
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: or we're on social media Twitter and Instagram. I'm at

1237
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: Dianamite Boom and I'm at oh great, it's Eli and

1238
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: the show is at ridic Romance. And don't forget to

1239
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: tune in for another episode later this week and we

1240
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: will catch you all the next one. Thanks for listening,

1241
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: by so long, friends, it's time to go. Thanks so

1242
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: listening to our show. Tell your friend's name's uncle Sandance

1243
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: to listen to our show, ridiculous roll dance