Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio
Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. I held Steph's hands
Speaker 1: as she's getting an internal examination, and the doctors like,
Speaker 1: every Wow, you have such a beautiful uterus, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: doesn't she? Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Katie's Crib.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to do an episode about egg freezing.
Speaker 1: Egg freezing is this incredible method which gives you the
Speaker 1: ability to make any and all decisions in your future
Speaker 1: about getting pregnant using a surrogate. I mean, just giving
Speaker 1: you tons and tons of options. So, guys, I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to begin, because this episode is two
Speaker 1: of my bestest, greatest, closest girlfriends of my entire history
Speaker 1: of my life, Stephanie Black and Lindsay Graft. Stephanie Black
Speaker 1: and I went to NY you together. We lived together
Speaker 1: in London. We moved out to l a around the
Speaker 1: same time. She is my soul sister. We started and
Speaker 1: run a theater company together. I am a theater company.
Speaker 1: And then Lindsay Kraft and I met in New York
Speaker 1: City a hundred thousand years ago, just auditioning for commercials
Speaker 1: and not making it, and guess what she introduced me
Speaker 1: to my husband. We talked about egg freezing, when, where, how, why,
Speaker 1: fertility specialists, consultations, what are they like, medications, what's the
Speaker 1: procedure like? We held hands and walked through it, and
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about egg freezing just through them
Speaker 1: being their besties. So I wanted to have them on
Speaker 1: to talk about it so you know a little bit
Speaker 1: more about them personally. Lindsay Kraft is an actress, model, writer.
Speaker 1: She is known for playing Alison on Grace and Frankie.
Speaker 1: Lindsay's film credits are Epic Movie, Nostalgia, Futile, and Stupid Gesture,
Speaker 1: and as for TV, she's also appeared on vat, Grays
Speaker 1: and Frankie, Two Broke Girls, so many others. Stephanie Black
Speaker 1: is an actress, writer, director. She's a founding member and
Speaker 1: court a stick director of By In the Theater Company
Speaker 1: With Me. She's also an acting coaching on the faculty
Speaker 1: of John Rosenfeld Studios. She has appeared on This Is Us, Scandal, Graves, Anatomy,
Speaker 1: Private Practice, and so many freaking more. Lindsay, Stephanie, Welcome
Speaker 1: to Katie's Crib. Thank you guys, My goodness, do I
Speaker 1: love you both? This is huge. This is one of
Speaker 1: the biggest things for women starting in their late twenties
Speaker 1: to get real. And this was an option that like
Speaker 1: our parents didn't have and wasn't like a hot topic.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I feel like I never heard about
Speaker 1: this from like my mom or anything like that. Steph,
Speaker 1: When and why did you start to entertain the idea
Speaker 1: of freezing your eggs? I think when I turned thirty
Speaker 1: my amazing oh b G. I n Drriana Walden, who's
Speaker 1: like the Gift of Los Angeles. She asked if I
Speaker 1: had thought it out it or maybe I had asked
Speaker 1: about it. Um. I like to have all the information,
Speaker 1: so I was like, I want to know everything. We
Speaker 1: started that conversation and I kept, you know, putting it off, saying, well,
Speaker 1: I'll revisit it, you know, at thirty two, and then
Speaker 1: I'll revisited at thirty five. And I kept thinking, I
Speaker 1: will figure it out when when it's ready, or I'll
Speaker 1: meet the person and I won't need to And I
Speaker 1: kept hoping, like I'm going to meet my prince Charmaine
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then I won't have to do it.
Speaker 1: And so I pushed it and pushed it and pushed it,
Speaker 1: and at thirty five is when I started really thinking
Speaker 1: about it. And then I met my now husband, and
Speaker 1: so I kind of put it to the back burner.
Speaker 1: But about a year and a half into our relationship,
Speaker 1: we broke up for a hot second, and that is
Speaker 1: when I said, Okay, I have to do this right now,
Speaker 1: and UM put everything into motion and we actually ended
Speaker 1: up getting back together. And now you're fucking pregnant. Oh
Speaker 1: and now I'm pregnant and I haven't used the eggs.
Speaker 1: That's a whole other car look at back to that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, gonna get back to that. Okay, Lindsay Kraft,
Speaker 1: why did you decide to freeze your eggs? I feel
Speaker 1: like I kept hearing about it for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I remember the first time I heard about it,
Speaker 1: I was like who. Like, I was like, that seems
Speaker 1: like weird, and like for other people like that just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like. It just seemed like, how have I
Speaker 1: gotten this old? I just seemed weird. And you know,
Speaker 1: I never was one of those people who was like
Speaker 1: I must have children. It just never seemed like something
Speaker 1: I was definitely gonna do. But at the same time options,
Speaker 1: baby options, I mean, And so I kept kind of
Speaker 1: putting it off for for so long because but I
Speaker 1: would feel so much anxiety about it that I basically
Speaker 1: did it to just reduce the anxiety that I was feeling,
Speaker 1: which is fucking huge. I remember my O B was
Speaker 1: definitely like, hey, do you want to consider freezing? How
Speaker 1: far off do you think you are from having a baby?
Speaker 1: And I was like, like really far. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've not even entertaining the idea, like i just started
Speaker 1: to be able to pay my bills from acting, like
Speaker 1: I don't. I have a lot of life. I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that right now. And she was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think you should consider freezing your eggs. And I
Speaker 1: did get that you get a blood test. I guess first, right,
Speaker 1: you get a blood test. But the thing about this
Speaker 1: blood test because it tests your I want to say
Speaker 1: this right MH level, which is basically your egg reserve.
Speaker 1: But the thing about this, and I remember because I
Speaker 1: kept asking, I'm like, should I just test that now?
Speaker 1: And every time she would say, you only want to
Speaker 1: test it when you're ready to do it, because it
Speaker 1: only gives you information for like that day, and like
Speaker 1: a week later, totally different number. Interesting because I remember
Speaker 1: getting that blood test and it coming back like your
Speaker 1: eggs suck. And I was like, oh, ship, like this
Speaker 1: is really scary. But I ended up doing nothing about it,
Speaker 1: and and we ended up trying starting to try to
Speaker 1: have a family earlier than I had originally said. But Steph,
Speaker 1: how did you find a doctor to freeze your eggs with?
Speaker 1: Because it's not an O B right, No it's not. No,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fertility specialist. Okay. So I started
Speaker 1: with my doctor. She gave me a bunch of pamphlets,
Speaker 1: a bunch of places, and she had actually done it
Speaker 1: and had been very open about that with me, and
Speaker 1: so she said this is where I went. But she
Speaker 1: said this is potentially could be on the higher end
Speaker 1: cost wise, you know. I was all like, I'm very frugal.
Speaker 1: I was very much like, what's the least amount of
Speaker 1: money I can spend to get the highest impact? Well,
Speaker 1: it's insane. How much does egg freezing cost in the ballpark? Craft?
Speaker 1: Do you know? I think you remember? Because there's so
Speaker 1: many separate like additional prices and just like and at first,
Speaker 1: I like, my mom offered to chip in my partner
Speaker 1: offered to chip in, but I was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I just kind of want to do this on my own.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think also freezing the eggs and also
Speaker 1: do you want to do embryos is like a whole
Speaker 1: other thing. I think it's from like twelve thousand to
Speaker 1: twenty thousand or something, right, Yeah, twelve to fifteen is
Speaker 1: where I feel like it really sits in it it
Speaker 1: all honestly, it all to ends on like your ovaries
Speaker 1: and like how sleepy they are and like how how
Speaker 1: what it takes to like wake up your follicles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because some people have to do multiple retrievals, right, I
Speaker 1: was like, there's no way I'm doing multiple retrievals. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'll get what I get and call it
Speaker 1: a day. Like, no way. I was sort of just
Speaker 1: like expecting to get just a couple of eggs. I
Speaker 1: think I was pleased at the end of the day
Speaker 1: what I what I had gotten, because I thought it
Speaker 1: would be less. But I think I remember during the
Speaker 1: process in the beginning, I was kind of like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot there, Okay. I wish I had
Speaker 1: known earlier, but I didn't have the money to get
Speaker 1: it then, So it's like this weird thing that I
Speaker 1: wish somehow. I know there are some places that are,
Speaker 1: you know, offering it through returns, but I just, you know,
Speaker 1: because I would have been so much better off if
Speaker 1: I sort of just did it in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: because that's when you have the most eggs, and it's
Speaker 1: sort of like you're doing it. You're doing this really
Speaker 1: expensive thing later in your life because you're starting to
Speaker 1: feel like, oh now I feel like there's anyone who
Speaker 1: I talked to who has the money. I'm like, just
Speaker 1: do it. It's a couple of weeks of your life,
Speaker 1: and then you're done, and then you don't have to
Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, it's like a joke, but
Speaker 1: it's like the minute I met her, but like very
Speaker 1: soon when Sean and I became friends, she was like,
Speaker 1: what's your deal? Are you waiting at all? Actually, it
Speaker 1: doesn't even matter. You should just freeze your eggs right now,
Speaker 1: because the younger you are, the more chance you have
Speaker 1: of getting more eggs, which gives you more options. And
Speaker 1: like that's at the end of the day, what we're
Speaker 1: trying to give ourselves, right, like more options to make decisions.
Speaker 1: When we want to versus being have to. Basically, this
Speaker 1: is a very expensive insurance policy. You're paying a lot
Speaker 1: of money for peace of mind for time, but it's
Speaker 1: so worth it. I mean I would have done this
Speaker 1: at thirty if I had really understood the emotional like
Speaker 1: toil that it would take on you. I did it
Speaker 1: when I was thirty eight and knowing that I was
Speaker 1: going to get less, and like then talking to friends
Speaker 1: were younger who were like, oh, my level was like
Speaker 1: two or something like some real crazy high number, and
Speaker 1: I was like, mine was like right below two. It
Speaker 1: was like one point eight or something like your one
Speaker 1: point nine. So crafty. How did you pick your fertility doctor?
Speaker 1: I think you recommended her to me, actually, Caroline and Alexander,
Speaker 1: who's amazing and was on this podcast and did a
Speaker 1: whole IVF episode. I'm at the opposite of you, Stephanie
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm just kind of like, get me
Speaker 1: to one. I just want to, Like I don't want to,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know about options. I just want
Speaker 1: to be directed to the best possible person. And I
Speaker 1: went to one woman and I sort of I was
Speaker 1: just like I think I had like a free consultation
Speaker 1: because they're normally like three fifty dollars and you can
Speaker 1: sort of like pass that on. Like there are like
Speaker 1: free certificates like everywhere. I feel like there are. I
Speaker 1: paid like to hundred for each I went to three
Speaker 1: different places to meet them and I paid that each time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sucked, Carol, and I just felt a real connection
Speaker 1: to and I started to think that, like this is
Speaker 1: a little bit magic. I mean life is crazy, right,
Speaker 1: like the things that happened to make a life or
Speaker 1: so nuts. The connection I had with her, She just
Speaker 1: made me feel really good, was very honest, but also
Speaker 1: like hopeful. Everyone's different, and I felt like that I
Speaker 1: had such a calm um experience with her that was
Speaker 1: just like very loving and she was so wonderful. And
Speaker 1: then I heard like such great stories about her after
Speaker 1: through a bunch of other people, and I was like
Speaker 1: so pleased with the whole experience. That's awesome. So what questions?
Speaker 1: If you could both pick a question? Should a woman
Speaker 1: ask her doctor before egg freezing? Like when you're talking
Speaker 1: to your fertility person, is there something you're really happy
Speaker 1: you asked or something you wish you had asked and didn't.
Speaker 1: I'll say this. I knew nothing about fertility, ovulation, the
Speaker 1: whole process, and honestly, trying to get pregnant as well
Speaker 1: was all quite shaming for me. I'm like to take
Speaker 1: a pill and forget it kind of person. And I
Speaker 1: went on birth control at eighteen, and I had not
Speaker 1: gone off birth control until the first time literally ever,
Speaker 1: was when I froze my eggs. So that's do the math.
Speaker 1: I'm not great at math, so almost twenty years um
Speaker 1: and so I had never really learned. I had never
Speaker 1: felt really cramps ovulation. I didn't. I just didn't understand
Speaker 1: any of it. And so when I went in and
Speaker 1: I think, I think Dr Peck, Allison Peck is who
Speaker 1: I went to at hr C Fertility, and you came
Speaker 1: with me to that appointment. Oh my god, I'll never
Speaker 1: forget it. I held Steph's hands as she's getting an
Speaker 1: internal examination, and I'm so proud. The doctor's like, wow,
Speaker 1: you have such a beautiful uterus, and I'm like, doesn't
Speaker 1: she did say that? Are I? In my head, the
Speaker 1: story goes that I was holding your hand and I
Speaker 1: your husband, and who and me have seen the insides
Speaker 1: of your uterus very close up in an ultrasound. What
Speaker 1: I remember, though, is her telling me that she thinks
Speaker 1: she sees my eggs because they were all asleep essentially,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you have suppressed over because you've been
Speaker 1: on birth control for you know, almost twenty years. And
Speaker 1: I remember specifically asking my doctor from thirty to thirty
Speaker 1: eight every time I'm like, is being on birth control
Speaker 1: going to affect my ability to get pregnant or freeze eggs?
Speaker 1: And she kept saying no, no, no, and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's it's true that it doesn't, but it makes it harder.
Speaker 1: It means you have to pump yourself with more drugs,
Speaker 1: which makes it more expensive. But you couldn't really tell
Speaker 1: how many eggs I had in each ovary that would
Speaker 1: potentially wake up. But all that stuff I knew nothing about.
Speaker 1: So you wish you had known that. I wish I
Speaker 1: would have known that, because I would have gone off
Speaker 1: of it for a bit. The good thing about being
Speaker 1: on birth control was that I was able to say,
Speaker 1: today's the day I want to do the eggs, like
Speaker 1: start the process, and my cycle has already syncd up
Speaker 1: because I'm on birth control. And normally they put you
Speaker 1: on birth control to get that start date. So I
Speaker 1: was basically like, I have a four week window here.
Speaker 1: I have to do it here or it can't happen.
Speaker 1: And I was able to do it. I had no
Speaker 1: information about this. I knew nothing, Like we asked her
Speaker 1: to draw, like, she drew me a map of a
Speaker 1: thirty day cycle and how ovulation works and fertility, and
Speaker 1: I felt so stupid, but I I liked her because
Speaker 1: she was no bullshit. She wore a Louis Vuitton Fannie
Speaker 1: pack and she reminded me of kind of the mean
Speaker 1: girls at summer camp, and I trusted that for some reason.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, I know her,
Speaker 1: like I knew her craft. What do you wish you
Speaker 1: had asked or did ask that you were happy that
Speaker 1: you got the information? You know, I was really confused
Speaker 1: about whether or not to do at freezing my eggs
Speaker 1: or freezing embryos. So for those people, you can either
Speaker 1: freeze your eggs by themselves, or you freeze your egg
Speaker 1: mixed in the petrie dish with the sperm of your
Speaker 1: donor or your partner or whatever. Supposedly, embryos have a
Speaker 1: better chance of being able to impregnate you when you
Speaker 1: use them, but you have to really like that person
Speaker 1: or it's sort of that you know the next step already.
Speaker 1: That's really what it is. So I was like, I
Speaker 1: think that was my biggest truggle. But I realized for me,
Speaker 1: why I wanted to do it was for my independence,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have enough eggs to be like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do some embryos and some eggs. Otherwise it
Speaker 1: just would have been like put me in the same
Speaker 1: corner A been in. And by the way, I know
Speaker 1: someone that only froze embryos and then was no longer
Speaker 1: with that person and did not use them. So it's like,
Speaker 1: it's also pretty expensive to do the embryos, Like that's
Speaker 1: an additional almost ten grand I think you do it
Speaker 1: so you have to. It's a financial commitment, and it's
Speaker 1: a commitment. I mean, Alex and I were not really together.
Speaker 1: We were kind of starting to get back together once
Speaker 1: I started the process, but so embryos wasn't was not
Speaker 1: even on the table because part of what this did
Speaker 1: for us was it kind of saved our relationship and
Speaker 1: gave us time we weren't ready to commit to that.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I remember Steph calling you, and
Speaker 1: you gave me a ton of information. I knew nothing
Speaker 1: like i'd like the neighbors of like doesn't I don't
Speaker 1: like like know everything. I'm just kind of just like
Speaker 1: wanted this, like someone to hold my hand through just
Speaker 1: all of it. I'm remembering now, like when you talked
Speaker 1: about her ovaries that's over how beautiful they were. I
Speaker 1: have literally blocked all of that out. That was the
Speaker 1: worst part of going in and I'm checking to see
Speaker 1: how many eggs or what was going on that day.
Speaker 1: There were some nurses who were not as gentle as others,
Speaker 1: and I found that. I remember being like ow. I
Speaker 1: was like ow ow it, like what what are you?
Speaker 1: I'm like that hurts me, you know, But well, they're
Speaker 1: poking you. I mean they really are, Yeah, because they
Speaker 1: enter your vagininess so many times. Like it's like basically
Speaker 1: going to the kind of college was every single day
Speaker 1: to have a whatever that's called. Yeah, it's basically that
Speaker 1: times a hundred. Okay, it's like every other day they're
Speaker 1: doing that. Is that true? Yeah? Once you start the
Speaker 1: shots every other day you have to go in and
Speaker 1: they check them to see how they're growing. What is it?
Speaker 1: The thing that put put a condom on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh so for people listening, f y I, it's like
Speaker 1: a dil Joe. They put a condom on it and
Speaker 1: a lot of lube. I'm just being descript so that
Speaker 1: in case you're considering doing this, Like for me, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a big deal. But for me, the
Speaker 1: speculum is like I hate a speculum, but I don't
Speaker 1: mind the internal dildo thing. I mean, how had it
Speaker 1: goes to show you? I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means about me. It's quite large. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like it was. But ha ha, you're welcome, Adam. I
Speaker 1: remember thinking like, okay, just like try to enjoy this,
Speaker 1: like try what else am I going to do here?
Speaker 1: But because I would just like just like taking depressed,
Speaker 1: I literally have blocked this out. I'm just remembering it
Speaker 1: now and now like a perhaps there's nothing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh that's it. So egg freezing. We're saying around twelve
Speaker 1: to fifteen thousand dollars, do you guys know, are there
Speaker 1: any ways that these costs can be reduced? Like thinking
Speaker 1: about the storage fees afterwards? Are there any options where
Speaker 1: you save money? The consultation alone is like three there
Speaker 1: there is for the drugs. You can get discounts for
Speaker 1: the drugs. Lady. That's who I got it from. So
Speaker 1: people listening go to your ob and say, I really
Speaker 1: want to get consultations on egg freezing. Is there any
Speaker 1: which way, shape or form to get this lest in cost?
Speaker 1: Because I don't think you can submit even the consultation
Speaker 1: to insurance. I don't know. No, none of none of
Speaker 1: it's covered. But the at most places these I want
Speaker 1: to say the billing department, but I'm not sure exactly
Speaker 1: what they're. The person is called. You sit down when
Speaker 1: you're ready to do it, they go over the costs
Speaker 1: with you. They break it down and there's two things
Speaker 1: to look for. One is to look for a place
Speaker 1: that has a year of storage included because that's a
Speaker 1: good deal. And they always give you an option of
Speaker 1: like four years or like seven years or something like
Speaker 1: that for your storage to like buy the bundle. Also,
Speaker 1: they're always going to try to get you to buy
Speaker 1: two rounds because it is cheaper if you do that,
Speaker 1: but like you know that on yourself, it's up to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then there's like care credits, like
Speaker 1: an exam ample of it. But there's places that you
Speaker 1: can submit your personal financial information too and they will
Speaker 1: give you basically qualify based on your income level for
Speaker 1: a discount, and it's usually pretty drastic. It's like a
Speaker 1: thirty or fifty discount on the drugs. It does not
Speaker 1: affect the package deal that you pay at that fertility,
Speaker 1: that doctor, and that clinic that's set and they don't
Speaker 1: usually do discounts and they don't do um payment plans.
Speaker 1: Usually have to like pay for it look like a
Speaker 1: credit card or cash. So it was great, like I say,
Speaker 1: you know, I had this discount, so I would get
Speaker 1: this discount on the drugs. But again, because I had
Speaker 1: these like sleepy suppressed ovaries, I had to do extra meds,
Speaker 1: which then all the money I had originally saved up
Speaker 1: the cost, so mine was more expensive in the end
Speaker 1: because of all the drugs I had to take. They
Speaker 1: they suggested like this thing that's like basically a facial
Speaker 1: for your vagina. Do you guys know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Like a date? What do you mean? I think there
Speaker 1: is a thing like where people go and it's like
Speaker 1: they just space that we make your ritna really great.
Speaker 1: You know what I need to have a specialist on
Speaker 1: in this department to be honest. Well, I remember Caroline
Speaker 1: said to me, She's like, well, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: been like so invasive, like we want to give that
Speaker 1: to you complimentary. It's something that's I want to say, like, wow, Crafty,
Speaker 1: can you take us through your egg retrieval process if
Speaker 1: you can remember any of it that you didn't black out?
Speaker 1: You know the reason I ultimately did it. I remember
Speaker 1: I was working on Grays and Frankie and I was
Speaker 1: talking to June Diane Ray feel about it, and she goes,
Speaker 1: just do it now, lindsay do it now. And for
Speaker 1: some reason, you guys know June, Yeah, I would listen
Speaker 1: to her. Yeah, he listened to June when she tells
Speaker 1: because she's like, you're just going to get older tomorrow.
Speaker 1: For some reason, the way that she kind of painted it,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do it. I wanna
Speaker 1: do it. I remember I ended up having to do
Speaker 1: it while I was working like on a show that
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I had booked, you know, And
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like one of those situations. I
Speaker 1: remember I found out that I had um low thyroid.
Speaker 1: My thyroid was low, which is like kind of the
Speaker 1: opposite what you would think because I wasn't like gaining
Speaker 1: weight or anything. It felt like it was concerning, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like all upset. And so then I
Speaker 1: had to take medication for like a month to get
Speaker 1: it back to just kind of get it ready. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I don't know about this. What a pain
Speaker 1: in the ask. Yeah, I don't think it's that big
Speaker 1: of a deal. But it's like you have to sort
Speaker 1: of make sure the thyroid is in good place so
Speaker 1: that the eggs are as good as it can possibly be.
Speaker 1: And then like essentially you're getting so much information and
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, you need to take this pills, this vitamin,
Speaker 1: you need to start doing all these different things. And
Speaker 1: I was like, why can't we get a basket. I
Speaker 1: was like going to Whole Foods, Erawan, like CBS, like
Speaker 1: just all over place looking for these like specific drugs
Speaker 1: that and it's so specific. The vitamin D has to
Speaker 1: be this kind of thing and take this kind of pill.
Speaker 1: This was all for you to have like the best
Speaker 1: quality of egg and that's why they wanted you to
Speaker 1: take certain vitamins and supplement to prepare. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 1: taken a vitamin in my life, like honestly, like I've
Speaker 1: never like maybe the Flintstone vitamin is like the vitamin
Speaker 1: I've taken in my life that prep though, those vitamins
Speaker 1: were I was nauseous every day. I was taking ten vitamins.
Speaker 1: I got this really intricate list from the doctor I
Speaker 1: didn't end up using because she was a little bit
Speaker 1: more expensive, but she was awesome. She gave me a
Speaker 1: really specific list and I followed it to a t.
Speaker 1: And I was just nauseous all day long because all
Speaker 1: that so many vitamins. It's just like, I know, it's
Speaker 1: so it's so much fun, and I've got obsessed with
Speaker 1: also be doing exactly what they said because I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to funk this up. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, like they're all giving you sort of different lists.
Speaker 1: You know that they're slightly different, Like some doctors feel
Speaker 1: that this is more important, but I believe that it's
Speaker 1: like each woman, it's probably different, And I find that
Speaker 1: I think the doctors just give the general lists to
Speaker 1: each of their patients. You know, I have a real
Speaker 1: problem with apart because I don't even know if any
Speaker 1: of that stuff matters. And it's expensive, like vitamins are
Speaker 1: like thirty bucks or like a bottle, I mean like
Speaker 1: a really good one, like it's it's not cheap. Oh,
Speaker 1: these were like sevent a bottle. So then you go
Speaker 1: to the doctor and they start you on you pick
Speaker 1: up the drugs, right, is that like insane? Like what
Speaker 1: the funk is that you don't go to the doctor
Speaker 1: to get them? You have to go to a special
Speaker 1: pharmacy and like that's a whole other they you leave
Speaker 1: the pharmacy, Lindy, did you have like these huge crates,
Speaker 1: huge crates with like ice packs in them that you
Speaker 1: have to take home? Are you kidding? I had no idea.
Speaker 1: It's insane. The first one was like a delivery. It is. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you have to be so well educated to perform what
Speaker 1: they're expecting you to perform. You have to be a mixologist,
Speaker 1: a scientist. I mean, thank god I had Andrew like
Speaker 1: at the time, like it is so hard, and you're thinking,
Speaker 1: if I miss this up, everything goes to ship. If
Speaker 1: you if you spill one of these liquid things, you're
Speaker 1: pretty you're you're literally why are you doing that? I
Speaker 1: don't understand, Well, you can go to the office every day,
Speaker 1: which is what I was going to do. But I
Speaker 1: was like, it's I think it's a hundred dollars extra
Speaker 1: every day to go and you have to go for
Speaker 1: fourteen days. I mean, it's a crazy there's all these
Speaker 1: extra expenses. And then you sort of realize, oh, it's doable.
Speaker 1: You know how sometimes when the first time you hear
Speaker 1: about something, the first time, it's awful and scary and confusing,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna suck it up. And then each time,
Speaker 1: because you have to do it for fourteen days in
Speaker 1: a row or however long your assignment is, by the
Speaker 1: end you're like, oh, I can't believe I was even
Speaker 1: freaked out about this. It's not that bad. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: then you do. You don't know how casual you can
Speaker 1: be about Like I messed up, I spilled something. I remember,
Speaker 1: step you told me that you had still something. You've
Speaker 1: freaked out. I remember this, Steph you crying. I had
Speaker 1: the biggest panic, like total meltdown, because so you have
Speaker 1: to do it at the same time every day, and
Speaker 1: the day I was starting, I was teaching, I didn't
Speaker 1: get home till eleven a talk, so it had to
Speaker 1: be at eleven o'clock, which mean at eleven pm every night.
Speaker 1: I had to do this, which is why I couldn't
Speaker 1: go the doctor. So I had to do it. They
Speaker 1: give you videos. I've never used a syringe in my life.
Speaker 1: I was really freaked out about it. And I did
Speaker 1: the first one and Alex was with me and I
Speaker 1: spilled it and I lost it, screaming, hysterical, crying. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is never gonna work. What am I
Speaker 1: doing it? I shouldn't even be a mother. This is
Speaker 1: like I went down the I mean the fucking I
Speaker 1: spiral of just lost my ship. And he's just looking
Speaker 1: at me like you're fucking did save And he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do. And he watched the video and he mixed
Speaker 1: it and then like shot at it and you're putting
Speaker 1: it into a syringe and then you put the shot
Speaker 1: into your body every day for fourteen days, three times
Speaker 1: a day or something. I thought there were multiple times
Speaker 1: a day. I think no, I think it's just once.
Speaker 1: For me, it was just once a day, But then
Speaker 1: they started adding so that first it was just one
Speaker 1: that's preloaded, so you just kind of like that sucker
Speaker 1: in and two seconds. And for people who don't have someone, like,
Speaker 1: did you guys do the shot yourself or did you
Speaker 1: have your significant others do the shots? At some point
Speaker 1: I was doing it by myself. Say, but yes, if
Speaker 1: I didn't have a person like it would have been
Speaker 1: really really upsetting and heart I've been that for other
Speaker 1: people though, Like I've had a friend who had to
Speaker 1: do shots for this and I went over and helped.
Speaker 1: You need to have someone, Yeah, you need to have
Speaker 1: a friend, but you could also do it on your own,
Speaker 1: Like it is doable. Even the video is wrong, like
Speaker 1: they need to update the videos. I just remember seeing
Speaker 1: this woman who had like a French manicure and her
Speaker 1: nail for so long and I was like, Andrew ever
Speaker 1: rounded five times. I'm like, they're skipping a step. Why
Speaker 1: is this not in here? But like I just like
Speaker 1: to do everything exactly right, you know, and and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do that, And sometimes you
Speaker 1: just don't know if it's right. I want to see
Speaker 1: a video that says, hey, if you trap it, it's okay.
Speaker 1: You should get paid. You should pitch yourself to these
Speaker 1: fucking pharmaceutical companies. And make a killing on what these
Speaker 1: commercials should be. I'm just saying, Okay, so you shoot
Speaker 1: yourself up with this ship. You do all the vitamins
Speaker 1: to prep crafty fixes her thyroid levels. You pick up
Speaker 1: trays of drugs and you mix them yourself and you
Speaker 1: shoot them into yourself for a while, and you're going
Speaker 1: to the doctor every other day, every other day, and
Speaker 1: then they're telling me we need more time. So what
Speaker 1: I was like counting them on down the days, almost
Speaker 1: like if you're on a cleanse and you're like, when
Speaker 1: what is this going to be over? Every day? Feels
Speaker 1: like it's just like the cleanse, the clans, the cleanse,
Speaker 1: but this is like a thousand times worse, Like when
Speaker 1: is this plea is gonna be over? And then I
Speaker 1: felt like they just kept adding days. I was like, No,
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be twelve days? What are they
Speaker 1: waiting for for your eggs to like have sprouted? They're
Speaker 1: waiting for the eggs to be a certain size so
Speaker 1: they can retrieve them. How steph pumping yourself up with
Speaker 1: this stuff? Tell me about how you felt, where you bloated,
Speaker 1: where you not just were you tired? Were you able
Speaker 1: to work? Tell me how you felt. Up until day nine,
Speaker 1: I didn't really feel anything, and then I got a
Speaker 1: little bloated, and then I started to I started to
Speaker 1: get like the munchies a lot. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like hungry. I felt like I was eating
Speaker 1: like a pregnant woman, which was weird. But then when
Speaker 1: I was in those last like three days or so,
Speaker 1: you start to feel your ovaries and like with every
Speaker 1: step I would take, you could just feel this over
Speaker 1: like weighing you down on either side, like I just could.
Speaker 1: It was very strange sensation. And you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: work out right because your ovary could like flip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. Your ovaries are like the way they describe
Speaker 1: it is kind of like, um, they say, it's like
Speaker 1: having two basketballs hanging by a string. That's how because
Speaker 1: they gets so big and so delicate. So if you
Speaker 1: were to work out and do too much, they could
Speaker 1: flip and then your eggs fall out and they end
Speaker 1: up and that's very bad, right, So you have to
Speaker 1: be very like just those two weeks, you have to
Speaker 1: be like pretty chill. Craft. How did you feel from
Speaker 1: all the hormones and shooting up in the I put
Speaker 1: my um my shots in my stomach, and I just
Speaker 1: remember feeling really disploated by that. It was very, very
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for me, Like that was why, just the process
Speaker 1: of that part. I don't I don't like shooting anything
Speaker 1: in my body. I don't like extra anything. You know,
Speaker 1: Now the day has arrived, they finally have said the
Speaker 1: eggs are big enough, it's time to retrieve. We're here, Steph.
Speaker 1: Tell me, Like, you go to the doctor's office, they
Speaker 1: put you into twilight or something. The one I went
Speaker 1: to was in the same buildings as the doctor's office
Speaker 1: I had gone to, So I went there. They say,
Speaker 1: definitely have someone take you home, so Alex came with me.
Speaker 1: I went in. They check and make sure that you know,
Speaker 1: you're everything's ready, and then you I can't remember if
Speaker 1: they did like an internal exam or something, but like
Speaker 1: it's like in the morning and you can't you know,
Speaker 1: eat before and then they you know, get you prepped
Speaker 1: with the your I V and all that, because like
Speaker 1: they put you like it's not twilight, like you're out,
Speaker 1: you're fully under. But basically you go under and they're
Speaker 1: like count to five or whatever, and then you're out.
Speaker 1: It's like a little vacuum kind of thing. They go
Speaker 1: in through your vagina and they just like suck the
Speaker 1: eggs out. Wow, And how long does the whole thing last?
Speaker 1: Like how long are you out? For? Forty minutes? I think,
Speaker 1: But it's like a factory. That's what I remember, like
Speaker 1: seeing it's like so many people going in for this,
Speaker 1: get out of here what like. I just remember like
Speaker 1: look like it felt like a move. It felt like
Speaker 1: defending your life to me. I remember thinking, like everyone's
Speaker 1: doing this, everyone's getting there. How are all these people
Speaker 1: affording this? Like I was just like, this is taking me,
Speaker 1: like my whole life to get to this point where
Speaker 1: I'm okay, but spending this much money and the people
Speaker 1: just like going in going out, And I realized, you
Speaker 1: know a lot of these people are I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's like IVF or I'm not. I don't know
Speaker 1: all about that, but you know, I think so much
Speaker 1: of it is people who are desperately trying to get pregnant.
Speaker 1: I remember still being wheeled into the room where the
Speaker 1: surgery is and I was like, what the hell was
Speaker 1: happening here? And then I just like I remember the
Speaker 1: moment right before I fell asleep. They put a an
Speaker 1: ivy and that's what I just kept I'm like, this
Speaker 1: hurts so bad, like because I'm saying, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: still feel this still today. I still can feel that
Speaker 1: horrible feeling of ivy, like in your wrist. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is the worst thing I've ever filled in my life.
Speaker 1: It's called a head block. You have it the whole
Speaker 1: time you have a baby. If you have a baby
Speaker 1: in the hospital, it's in there for three days. Were
Speaker 1: you just like, is this ever gonna stop hurting me?
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like they didn't really get a
Speaker 1: good It shouldn't bother you like that, Like it shouldn't.
Speaker 1: It should be uncomfortable for the first like maybe ten minutes,
Speaker 1: but then you don't feel it anymore. Really, it was
Speaker 1: all I could talk about, even when I woke up
Speaker 1: and recorded a video of me being like, how's think
Speaker 1: I know you? I'm like, I say, yeah, but like
Speaker 1: you like, the whole thing is me just like so
Speaker 1: messed up waiting. Oh, can you please send that to me?
Speaker 1: I'm dying this is yet. Oh I'm so glad Alex
Speaker 1: didn't feel that. I just remember waking up and my
Speaker 1: doctor was sitting there, and he was there and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're okay, And I was like, what happened? And then
Speaker 1: she told me, like how many eggs they got? They're
Speaker 1: trying to get like ten, right, they want to get
Speaker 1: ten because with every process you lose like five. So
Speaker 1: if you get ten, then it means you have about
Speaker 1: five that are viable. I got six, and I was
Speaker 1: thrilled with that. Yeah, because they were saying to you
Speaker 1: there might be three. But sometimes like you can get
Speaker 1: a hundred eggs and none of them can be viable,
Speaker 1: like or you can have you can have six eggs
Speaker 1: and they might all be viable. You only need one,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like that works really
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of magic involved it of why
Speaker 1: certain ones will make it. It's like, not only do
Speaker 1: you have to get a certain you know you're trying
Speaker 1: to get a certain number. Then they have to be
Speaker 1: go through the freezing process, then they go through an
Speaker 1: unfreezing process. Then at a later date they might be
Speaker 1: mixed with an embryo. Then you have to carry it
Speaker 1: if you want to carry it or your surrogate carry it.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many hoops. It's easy that
Speaker 1: anyone has a baby at all. It's insane. I know,
Speaker 1: it seems crazy, wild, The whole thing's wild. So they
Speaker 1: wake you up, they wake you up, and what end
Speaker 1: right then? And there they tell you. I remember Carolyn
Speaker 1: like she's like six. I just remembering. I was like,
Speaker 1: she's like six beautiful eggs, you know, And I felt
Speaker 1: really good about that, you know, and I was so
Speaker 1: glad it was over. I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we thought we had I had nine, and
Speaker 1: then she woke me up and she's like we got
Speaker 1: eleven and they were all liable, and I was like
Speaker 1: and I just cried because I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: because I just really thought. I was like, I fucked
Speaker 1: all this up with birth control for all these years.
Speaker 1: But then of course the second I could, I went
Speaker 1: right back on it. So once it's done, are you done?
Speaker 1: Do you not have to take any more home or
Speaker 1: hormones anymore? Or do you have to like taper yourself off?
Speaker 1: I think you stopped immediately taking them, but but I
Speaker 1: felt horrible, like for a few weeks after, oh you did, yeah,
Speaker 1: that blow that there's something about this blow like and
Speaker 1: I don't ever really feel like that in my stomach.
Speaker 1: Like for me, it was like a real feign. There
Speaker 1: was like something crazy happening in my belly. I've done
Speaker 1: Lindsay Kraft for twentysomething years, and this girl has a
Speaker 1: very enviable flat stomach. You're not saying that. I am.
Speaker 1: She is always no matter where you've been at your life,
Speaker 1: have a rock hard Oh god, been able to wear
Speaker 1: low rise jeans and I don't know anyone that can
Speaker 1: do that. You can wear low rise sweatpants, that's true. You.
Speaker 1: I've never known anyone toward jeans like you. Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Your stomach is a fuck ridiculous. So
Speaker 1: for you to feel bloated or feel something weird, I
Speaker 1: bet was very different for you, Like it's just not
Speaker 1: your natural state of being well, injecting all this stuff
Speaker 1: into your body like that's giving you eggs. Are you
Speaker 1: glad you did it? Yes? Did you feel relief? Did
Speaker 1: you feel like it was money well spent? Did you
Speaker 1: feeling anxiety lesson? Yes? I I feel like I really
Speaker 1: did it for the anxiety honestly. But now I'm in
Speaker 1: the phase of like not to start thinking about it again,
Speaker 1: like thinking about the next step of it. You know, right,
Speaker 1: are you going to use them? But it really took
Speaker 1: away just that like that question even if it's not
Speaker 1: gonna work, And it was like, Okay, I did my
Speaker 1: bit in terms of, like, you know, thinking about my
Speaker 1: future and the possibilities of you know, what kind of
Speaker 1: life I'm going to have? Yeah, and what about you stuff.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it was worth it. I the second after I
Speaker 1: did it, I told any everybody that I did it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, if anybody wants to ask me questions,
Speaker 1: call me. I would be the poster child for this.
Speaker 1: Like every anyone who is thinking of doing it, do it,
Speaker 1: do it earlier than I did it, you know, figure
Speaker 1: out how to afford it. It is so worth it
Speaker 1: because I I needed that. I needed that peace of mind.
Speaker 1: I have had like a battle with time my whole life,
Speaker 1: and I was so afraid of running out of time,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't ready because of my age, and because
Speaker 1: I hadn't done it. It was putting all this pressure
Speaker 1: on my relationship because my husband is seven and a
Speaker 1: half years younger than me, and we were not exactly
Speaker 1: the same place when it came to this, and so
Speaker 1: for us to have that security and that insurance policy.
Speaker 1: Basically it meant that that did not have to be
Speaker 1: a factor in our relationship. And I honestly think if
Speaker 1: I hadn't have done it, I don't know if we
Speaker 1: would be where. I don't know if we would be
Speaker 1: married right now, Like I don't know if we would
Speaker 1: have been able to have that kind of ease to
Speaker 1: to like work on whatever we needed to work on
Speaker 1: to get where we are now. And it also made
Speaker 1: trying to get pregnant a little less stressful. I mean,
Speaker 1: although I was definitely like, I'm not going to use them.
Speaker 1: You know they're there, but we're never going to use them.
Speaker 1: And I'm very lucky that we had we haven't used
Speaker 1: them yet, but I'm also forty and having my first child,
Speaker 1: and if we would like to have a second one,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a good chance that we
Speaker 1: might need to use them. At least I know they're there.
Speaker 1: We have this science available to us, and you know,
Speaker 1: we live in this place where we were like, you
Speaker 1: can have it all, and it's like, no, you really
Speaker 1: can't unless you have money and time. Okay, So craft
Speaker 1: you're happy you did it. Do you ever wake up
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night and think about the
Speaker 1: six little little babies that you have. Some I think
Speaker 1: if they were embryos, I would probably think about them.
Speaker 1: The whole thing for me was like my own ambivalence,
Speaker 1: you know. But if you're not ambivalent about having children,
Speaker 1: you know you want to have children, you should do
Speaker 1: this as early as you can. No, but I think
Speaker 1: you're right if you want to be a mom in
Speaker 1: your life, if you want to be a mom to
Speaker 1: a biological baby, which that's not you know, that's not
Speaker 1: for everyone either. Like maybe you know people who are
Speaker 1: listening who are like, no, you know what, like I
Speaker 1: don't really have the money and I'm down for adoption
Speaker 1: or I'm down for other you know things. But if
Speaker 1: you're like, I want my egg a baby that way
Speaker 1: and all the rest is unclear, but I know that,
Speaker 1: then it's like, don't even wait. Don't wait for the
Speaker 1: other pieces to fall into place, because you're just going
Speaker 1: to get more anxious about it, right, Just do it? Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just say it's this like amazing thing that science
Speaker 1: has given us that is actually like quite feminist, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like pro what is a pro woman thing? We
Speaker 1: were you know a lot of people grow up thinking
Speaker 1: that like they have to do certain things because they're
Speaker 1: a woman, And this is something that we have at
Speaker 1: our disposal if you can afford it, and hopefully our
Speaker 1: health care system can figure out a way to make
Speaker 1: this part of the benefits and make this an option
Speaker 1: for all women and not make this about privilege. It's
Speaker 1: truly a way for us to be in the workforce
Speaker 1: and to wait and not be beholden to this archaic
Speaker 1: view of time and when we're supposed to have, you know, children,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you know when you when you're having
Speaker 1: when you're pregnant over thirty five they called a geriatric pregnancy,
Speaker 1: and me being forty, I feel like everyone has just
Speaker 1: put the fear of God into me about this age.
Speaker 1: All of the science or a lot of it that
Speaker 1: it is based on is stuff from like a long
Speaker 1: time ago. Oh it's not really based on Now we've
Speaker 1: done episodes on this podcast and moms over forty women
Speaker 1: are getting party forty five without it. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not we're not for forties and the new thirty isn't it?
Speaker 1: So we're twenty for sure, but like we're three, like
Speaker 1: super ambitious, Like we all got out to l A
Speaker 1: and I remember those first years for us, like we
Speaker 1: were like hitting the ground running. We were working our
Speaker 1: asses off. We were definitely not thinking about starting families
Speaker 1: or getting married. We were like, we are going to
Speaker 1: take this town, you know, by storm, even at the
Speaker 1: age where right now, like we still want to. So
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to like give that up to have
Speaker 1: a kid. And if this was more like available to
Speaker 1: people and everyone realized that it's an option for everybody,
Speaker 1: then it's your choice when you when you start a family.
Speaker 1: And also knowing that you can preserve your eggs for
Speaker 1: when you're ready. Yes, And I like would craft you
Speaker 1: know Craft, who you weren't someone who was like I'd
Speaker 1: not sure about motherhood really, so like I'm just I
Speaker 1: don't want to decide today, Like I'm gonna be like
Speaker 1: sixty and be like I'm just not sure it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it'll be perfect. So what like you'll get a
Speaker 1: kid that your eggs will be the age they were
Speaker 1: when you froze them, or you'll get a kid another way,
Speaker 1: Like Yes, So I think this is such an important topic.
Speaker 1: I think it's so important And thank you guys for
Speaker 1: going into like detail on the feelings during and after,
Speaker 1: and like some of the more logistical stuff, because I
Speaker 1: think that's what women don't know. We don't know about
Speaker 1: the picking up the drugs and the shots and mixing
Speaker 1: it on your own and it costs more to get it,
Speaker 1: or like that you get internally examined every other day.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you want to say or
Speaker 1: think would be helpful to people who are listening who
Speaker 1: are considering freezing their eggs. I would say, if you're
Speaker 1: considering it, do it as as soon as you can.
Speaker 1: Worry about the price after, like get the money from
Speaker 1: friends or whatever you need to do, because the longer
Speaker 1: you wait is just the worst case you're gonna be.
Speaker 1: That's all. And you can put it on credit card, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you absolutely can. I put everything on a credit card
Speaker 1: and then I got some points and then I was
Speaker 1: able to travel back east and see my family. It
Speaker 1: was like it all it all worked out. But it's
Speaker 1: truly like, if you're thinking about doing it, it's safe,
Speaker 1: it's you know, the success rate is really high. And
Speaker 1: if you're you know, between thirty and thirty five and
Speaker 1: you're hesitant, I would just do it. If you can
Speaker 1: do it now, just do it it'll be so glad
Speaker 1: you did, and then it's not something you have to
Speaker 1: think about, you know, as you're getting older. For four years,
Speaker 1: I was like thinking thinking about it. What's the point
Speaker 1: of thinking about something that you can actually do unless
Speaker 1: I get and I understand that I'm extremely privileged to
Speaker 1: have been able to do this, like for for the option,
Speaker 1: you know, God, you know, just even talking about that,
Speaker 1: and and and like the fact that we're talking about
Speaker 1: it makes me realize how privileged I am to be
Speaker 1: able to do it, and that if it's a real
Speaker 1: priority for people, that there is I know it. There's
Speaker 1: not payment plans, it doesn't sound like there are for
Speaker 1: egg freezing, but there's payment plans for credit card, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's payment plans if you were to put it
Speaker 1: on a credit card that has paying off this much
Speaker 1: a month, you know, for a year, and breaking things
Speaker 1: up that way. I mean, some of these bigger companies
Speaker 1: I think are starting to and and it's great because
Speaker 1: they're they're supporting the women who want to keep working,
Speaker 1: who don't want to take time off necessarily yet right,
Speaker 1: I really really am so thankful for you guys taking
Speaker 1: the time and sharing your experiences with our listeners because
Speaker 1: I think this ship is so helpful and I know
Speaker 1: there are a lot of women thinking about egg freezing
Speaker 1: all the time, and if this podcast can give them
Speaker 1: in any way shape form, just like any information that
Speaker 1: they didn't have before, that might make decision making any
Speaker 1: easier than we have done our job. Thank you, Stephanie Black,
Speaker 1: and thank you Lindsay Kraft for coming on Katie's Crib.
Speaker 1: I love you both with all of my heart. I
Speaker 1: never thought I'd be able to be a guest on
Speaker 1: Katie's Crab like this was the one way that I
Speaker 1: could be a guest. I know, Sam, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, Steph you're gonna have to come
Speaker 1: on and tell us about motherhood. Lindsay Kraft, You're going
Speaker 1: to have to come on at some point and just
Speaker 1: tell us where you're at and if you've answered any
Speaker 1: questions with yourself. Look, Katie's Crab hopefully has got many
Speaker 1: many seasons, and you're you're my favorite and a fan favorite,
Speaker 1: so we need to hear about your fertility journey in
Speaker 1: all of its steps. We love you, Ka, We're so
Speaker 1: grateful to be on here. Thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 1: To today's episode. Am I not the luckiest in the
Speaker 1: world that I get to call Lindsay Craft and Stephanie
Speaker 1: Black two of my best friends? I want to hear
Speaker 1: from you. What do you guys want to talk about
Speaker 1: an upcoming episodes? You know that you could always reach
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