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Speaker 1: Patriots lose an exciting game that was not exciting for
Speaker 1: much of it. Welcome into the Patriots postgame Show presented
Speaker 1: by Cyber Reason. The Patriots outscored twenty two to nothing
Speaker 1: in the first half. And then hold the Bengals scoreless.
Speaker 1: In the second half, they put eighteen on the board
Speaker 1: and were just yards away from the go ahead touchdown
Speaker 1: when a Romandrea Stevenson fumble turned the ball over and
Speaker 1: your final twenty two eighteen. As the Patriots fall below
Speaker 1: five hundred. They are now at seven and eight on
Speaker 1: the season. Welcome into the Patriots postgame show eight five
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Speaker 1: If you'd like to email the show. You could make
Speaker 1: the argument that the Patriots off and still for the
Speaker 1: most part, did not show up and that a couple
Speaker 1: of those touchdowns, one in particular, was the result of
Speaker 1: a desperation heave toward the end zone and the deflection.
Speaker 1: But the fact is the Patriots, seemingly out of this
Speaker 1: game at halftime when it was twenty two to nothing,
Speaker 1: came back, made it a game and showed something. And
Speaker 1: I said in the pre game, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of showed me something. And whether it was
Speaker 1: what I saw last week or just something within the
Speaker 1: makeup of this team, certainly defensively they still have enough
Speaker 1: to hold good teams in check and give your team
Speaker 1: a chance if something can be sparked offensively had the
Speaker 1: Patriots offense been able to do anything in the first half.
Speaker 1: This is a ball game. This is a ball game
Speaker 1: that either goes to overtime or the Patriots have a
Speaker 1: chance of taking the lead in But a twenty two
Speaker 1: nothing deficit against a team as good as the Bengals
Speaker 1: just proved to be too much for them to climb
Speaker 1: out of. And that's what we're left with here is
Speaker 1: a twenty two eighteen loss at home on this Christmas
Speaker 1: Eve game at Gillette Stadium. Paul Parolo and Mike Deso
Speaker 1: will be joining this year shortly. We'll get to the
Speaker 1: coach and quarterback here a little bit later, but I
Speaker 1: imagine you'll have a lot to say about this. So
Speaker 1: eight five five Pats five hundred Web Radio at Patriots
Speaker 1: dot Com will wait for Paul and Deuced to get
Speaker 1: here before we get to our keys to the game,
Speaker 1: or excuse me, are good the path and he injured.
Speaker 1: Keys to the game would really be more of a
Speaker 1: pregame type of thing, but keys to the game were
Speaker 1: to essentially from three of the four of us were
Speaker 1: to get to Burrow and pressure him early that that
Speaker 1: didn't really happen in the first half. The Bengals were
Speaker 1: able to move the ball pretty effectively in the first half,
Speaker 1: and the you know, the blitzing and the pressuring of
Speaker 1: a burrow, it wasn't enough to put them in a
Speaker 1: position where they felt uncomfortable. Now, Matthew Jude on the
Speaker 1: way he was celebrating, he knew would think that they
Speaker 1: were certainly holding them in check. But twenty two points
Speaker 1: on a day when your offense, you know, doesn't give
Speaker 1: you anything through the first twenty four minutes of the
Speaker 1: first thirty minutes, I should say of the game, isn't
Speaker 1: quite enough. Second half different story, and holding that Bengals
Speaker 1: team scoreless in the second half, I think you have
Speaker 1: to give the defense a lot of credit and any
Speaker 1: optimism you may have had about this team going in
Speaker 1: started with the defense, and they certainly gave you a
Speaker 1: chance in the second half of that football game. Mike,
Speaker 1: just so, Paul Parola joining us Now an exciting game, guys,
Speaker 1: exciting finish? Who was I'm still trying to wrap my
Speaker 1: head around turned up? Exciting We're going down? The other day,
Speaker 1: I'm like, did reminder Steves it just fumble the game
Speaker 1: winning touchdown? Away on that last place I was, I
Speaker 1: was suggesting that the Bengals should let him score. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Once the Bengals challenged the
Speaker 1: spot of what would have been a first that's not
Speaker 1: a challenge. That's a booth challenge, both a booth review
Speaker 1: in the last two minutes, think I thought that I
Speaker 1: thought the Bengals were screwed. Well when that when that
Speaker 1: play went against him, like they moved the ball back,
Speaker 1: that gave them another play to get a first down,
Speaker 1: took the time out. Like I said, this is it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna score, There's not gonna be any time left.
Speaker 1: I thought that totally worked at the pa 's ad manage.
Speaker 1: Except it didn't because I think the Patriot well, no, no, no, no, right,
Speaker 1: but no, But here's why. As as they put themselves
Speaker 1: in that third and very short situation, the Patriots seemingly
Speaker 1: called plays number one to pick up a first down,
Speaker 1: which they did. But I'm thinking, what, why treat this
Speaker 1: like you need a first down, you need a touchdown?
Speaker 1: Why to take a shot at the end zone here,
Speaker 1: want to try and find Kendrick Bourne again? Why instead,
Speaker 1: Stevens that's a very fair second guess, Well, that's it's
Speaker 1: not it's it was a first guest, not in the moment. No, No,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, like you're saying. I questioned the strategy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a very logical way of looking at it.
Speaker 1: And when I kept the pedal in the medal and
Speaker 1: said we're going to score right, oh godless, oh god,
Speaker 1: Now we need a first down. Okay, well let's give
Speaker 1: it to Ramandre and run him up the middle for
Speaker 1: a half a yard game. So what I don't care
Speaker 1: about first in goal? You have to go ahead and
Speaker 1: take a shot at the end zone, even on third
Speaker 1: and inches. What are we doing? You're you're lucky to
Speaker 1: be only down for at this point, and I think
Speaker 1: you would have a caught them off guard and be
Speaker 1: you would have been playing to what very little strengths
Speaker 1: you have on offense right now, which is some kind
Speaker 1: of desperation heaves either towards the sideline or the end zone.
Speaker 1: That's all they had. They said, guess what that. I
Speaker 1: don't mean to sound negative. They still don't have an offense.
Speaker 1: I don't care what we should we saw out there,
Speaker 1: they still don't have an offense. I know we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into good, bad and the injured, and I know
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of talk about all the
Speaker 1: different things. This was like exciting as all hell. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I would be able to get a little bit more
Speaker 1: excited if I thought the Patriots did anything to really
Speaker 1: create the excitement. I think the Bengals and I know
Speaker 1: people are gonna and I'm listen, I'm prepared for it
Speaker 1: for the whole postgame show. I know you guys are
Speaker 1: gonna make fun of me, not just you two, but
Speaker 1: the listeners if we have any on Christmas Eve. I
Speaker 1: just the Bengals like just completely did everything that they
Speaker 1: could over the span of the last twenty minutes of
Speaker 1: that game to just hand it to you. Yes, like
Speaker 1: it's nothing like I'll give the Patriots credit for you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's third down the Bengals. It's twenty two to nothing.
Speaker 1: The Bengals easily convert the first down, there's a hold,
Speaker 1: makes a third and one third and eleven, and then
Speaker 1: they emptied the barrel and they gave a like a
Speaker 1: zero blitz and Burrow just threw it without looking off
Speaker 1: his back foot, and Marcus Jones makes the pick like
Speaker 1: if that play doesn't happen. You lose that game thirty
Speaker 1: five to nothing, Like you never stopped the Bengals the
Speaker 1: whole game, Like I know that they didn't get any
Speaker 1: points in the second half. That was all the Bengals fault.
Speaker 1: Like all the Bengals fault. Like you miss a field goal,
Speaker 1: you drop a touchdown, you don't get a third and inches,
Speaker 1: you punt on fourth and inches and get a delayed game,
Speaker 1: Like I would be more excited about the comeback if
Speaker 1: I thought the Patriots had something to do with the comeback,
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yes, I mean, I hear
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Paul, and I don't even need to
Speaker 1: kill Cincinnati's offense. I just I'll just kill the Patriots offense.
Speaker 1: I mean what they got was like, I mean, what
Speaker 1: a reflected thirty That's what I'm saying. The Bengals like
Speaker 1: they were the Bungles and you still let them win.
Speaker 1: They were the old time Bungles today and you still
Speaker 1: let them win. I mean, the way that came out
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, it just seemed like
Speaker 1: a carryover from how last game ended. And I just
Speaker 1: I can't quite wrap my head around that. They would
Speaker 1: blow a second game with Remandre Stevenson again directly involved
Speaker 1: in the closing minutes when they you know, snatched defeat
Speaker 1: from the jaws of Victoria. So why don't we Why
Speaker 1: don't we get to that before we continue? Right, why
Speaker 1: don't we get to good bed? Sure? Yeah, before before
Speaker 1: before we get to the third down call, which was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a screen to Remandre and I said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's the same position on the field.
Speaker 1: They're good, it's the same thing about to happen. Thank goodness,
Speaker 1: he just dropped the past this time. We didn't have
Speaker 1: to watch that on the fold. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: Now it's time for the good, the bad, and the injured. Ah,
Speaker 1: you are right, guy, Good, the bad, me injured brought
Speaker 1: to you buy the good players, bad players, and the
Speaker 1: injured players in the twenty two eighteen lost to the
Speaker 1: Bengals at Gillette Stadium. Today, Deuce, who's your first? Good? Um?
Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of qualifiers on a
Speaker 1: lot of these, but I'm gonna I'm gonna put Kendrick
Speaker 1: Bourne on there. I mean, made one hundred yards, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's just you know, instrumental in the comeback,
Speaker 1: got the first third down conversion of the game. When
Speaker 1: I mean it took him until like the third quarter
Speaker 1: to get a third down conversion. Uh, caught that thirty
Speaker 1: two yard er um, you know, so that was a
Speaker 1: big one, setting up the first TD of the game.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think he had a twenty nine
Speaker 1: yard run. Yeah, he had a nice a nice a
Speaker 1: nice game. Not a lot to write home about offensively,
Speaker 1: but he was one piece, six six hatches hundred yards.
Speaker 1: So so nice day for him. I absolutely had him
Speaker 1: on my list of goods. And he you know, he
Speaker 1: made some because some of the plays he made were
Speaker 1: not easy, Like there was some difficult catches that he
Speaker 1: made correct, contorting his body getting in bounds on the
Speaker 1: one on the sideline, the Bengals challenge the one, and
Speaker 1: even in the end zone, like he was pretty well
Speaker 1: covered in the end zone and salt. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Kendrick Boone was one of the very few. But I
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of goods today. I don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of time. That neither do I. I just
Speaker 1: say too sorry, but he's one that I had. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I just say, this game is it's
Speaker 1: just frustrating because I think you just see that. It's
Speaker 1: just an example today of this guy's a more talented
Speaker 1: receiver than whatever he's got this year fift twenty catches out.
Speaker 1: It's just you know this guy can make plays. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just you don't have an offense right now that
Speaker 1: can consistently get on the ball. Now, paul as is
Speaker 1: our custom, you get the next good. But if you
Speaker 1: take my only one legitimate good, it's going to be
Speaker 1: a very short good lay. Okay, then I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I won't. Then, like I said, I have a very
Speaker 1: small list, okay, um, and I'm gonna put Matthew jude
Speaker 1: On on it just for four good? Is that it did?
Speaker 1: I say, no, okay, But I mean sometimes you get
Speaker 1: on for one play, like it was desperation time. It's
Speaker 1: third and four. They throw a quick pass out to
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and Matthew jude On strips him. You get
Speaker 1: on for one play sometimes when it's that important of
Speaker 1: a play, they were dead lifeless. They had to come
Speaker 1: up with a play and he made it. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't think he was really all that good in the game.
Speaker 1: I know he had a sack, but I didn't think
Speaker 1: he I thought Burrow was very comfortable in the pocket
Speaker 1: all day um for the most part. And this play
Speaker 1: that he gets the ball back for the Patriots offense
Speaker 1: umi was an enormous play. Enormous play. And yes he
Speaker 1: absolutely is on my good list. He's not my only
Speaker 1: one legitimate but that one play in particular, he was
Speaker 1: motioning someone in the secondary back with his left hand,
Speaker 1: which I didn't know if he was telling him to
Speaker 1: stay back. I think what he was saying was actually,
Speaker 1: I'm staying back on this one. I'm gonna spy either
Speaker 1: the quarterback or over the pascoes if it goes, if
Speaker 1: it's a screen. And he was there to make the play.
Speaker 1: I thought he missed the tackle it first. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if he doesn't fumble, he does miss the tack. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. But you make up, you make a play.
Speaker 1: And he had a couple of sacks and uh, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm growing a little weary of the wiping of
Speaker 1: the mouth after the sack, especially when you're down, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty two to nothing. In the first I thought it
Speaker 1: was some we could probably get to that later. I
Speaker 1: thought there was some exuberant celebrations for a team that
Speaker 1: was getting at their asses beat thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: throughout the first half and even into the third quarter. Um,
Speaker 1: I got it. Really you look at some of the
Speaker 1: I mean twenty eight first downs four hundred and forty
Speaker 1: two yards of like eight for sixteen on third downs.
Speaker 1: The Bengals did whatever they wanted. I know, they just
Speaker 1: every once in a while they stopped themselves. And I'm
Speaker 1: happy that you sacked Joe Burrow for a couple of times.
Speaker 1: He completed forty passes four zero, he threw three hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five yards and three touchdowns. Didn't get to
Speaker 1: him early. You know what's funny, it didn't seem like that.
Speaker 1: It was that many, like fifty two passes time. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, fifty two. I know. It didn't seem to
Speaker 1: just take them. What's there? I mean, I think, but
Speaker 1: then again, do you remember the ball a whole lot? No?
Speaker 1: But when they did it was reasonably effective, Like Joe
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, I thought, was it was good enough? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they do a good list for the Bengals. Actually, but
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be all that long either. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have a few players, but it's not like they
Speaker 1: had some really really really dumb played. That's the anatomy
Speaker 1: of how you lose a game today. Oh with the Bengals,
Speaker 1: some of the stuff the Bengals did in the second half,
Speaker 1: But do you think it's a sign of a team
Speaker 1: that they mess around they play? I do think that
Speaker 1: they got a little But like you know, Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: drops what would would have been a big play, maybe
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Tee Higgins drops a touchdown. They ended up
Speaker 1: getting a touchdown shortly thereafter, and then the other kids
Speaker 1: drops a touchdown. Like this is the NFL. You don't
Speaker 1: have that many chances to drop touchdown passes and win games,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And I'm talking. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking Like there was a play that Chase had
Speaker 1: in the first half where he try to catch one
Speaker 1: with one hand. He was behind um Jonathan Jones and
Speaker 1: try to catch it, but I'm not counting that Like
Speaker 1: that should have been a touchdown too, I said it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Paul. It's the one thing. There's, like,
Speaker 1: you know a couple of things that are you're going
Speaker 1: to force you to stop watching sports. Receivers insisting on
Speaker 1: catching the ball with one hand might force me to
Speaker 1: stop watching football for a time. The Bengals could have
Speaker 1: been up. I'm not exaggerating. Thirty to nothing. Oh god,
Speaker 1: they could have had such a bit if they had
Speaker 1: just there were two now one of them. They ended
Speaker 1: up scoring the last touchdown they scored. They ended up
Speaker 1: scoring anyway. But it was it wasn't Chase, it was
Speaker 1: it was someone else down in the Higgins dropped one
Speaker 1: in the end zone and and one on a wye.
Speaker 1: Then later they dropped. They threw another touchdown to or Okay,
Speaker 1: so we saw Chase try to one hand one Do
Speaker 1: you know why Higgins dropped his He's trying to one
Speaker 1: hand it. I thought it hit him in both hands.
Speaker 1: Do you know what? Do you know why he was
Speaker 1: trying to one hand it. I don't know, style points, ESPN.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Chase tried to one hand
Speaker 1: because Jonathan Jones had the other he did not. I
Speaker 1: watched it. I watched it. It's look he has it
Speaker 1: for his second, but the hand comes loose. Yeah, these guys,
Speaker 1: these guys, and it's it's a league wide. It's an epidemic.
Speaker 1: They're trying to go They're trying to catch the ball
Speaker 1: one handed. I for what so I didn't steal you
Speaker 1: a good I didn't steal you good so good. Oh
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones. Yeah, Marcus Jones with the with the first
Speaker 1: of all make my list. Yeah, with the caveat that.
Speaker 1: He gave up a lot of catches. A lot of
Speaker 1: that three seventy five was on Marcus Jones. Man. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's what he's out there for. Okay, But here's
Speaker 1: here's the thing. When you when you give up that
Speaker 1: many completions, you get a lot of tackles. So he
Speaker 1: let the team in tackle. He's not on my back.
Speaker 1: He's not on my bad list, simply for the two plays.
Speaker 1: Come on, he's that the run after the pick was
Speaker 1: unbelievable and the run on the little screen pass was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Like two unbelievable plays. Yeah, yeah, I don't like the spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah that that that's like again, he's not on my
Speaker 1: bad list. I'm just saying. I know, I asked him
Speaker 1: to cover guys. He couldn't do it. You know what.
Speaker 1: But he's doing so much. He's out there. He's returning punts,
Speaker 1: he's returning kit well, there's that many punts. He's returning kicks.
Speaker 1: He the pick six he's making tackles. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, yeah, And I'm not arguing with you.
Speaker 1: I'm not that's that. I'm certainly the ball. But he
Speaker 1: recovers the fumble. I mean, what do you want for?
Speaker 1: We are from him? But I had made the comment
Speaker 1: like because the Patriots have had like he became the
Speaker 1: first guy since Jules to have an offensive touchdown, a
Speaker 1: defensive touchdown, in a special teams touchdown in the same season. Right,
Speaker 1: What he's doing is so in my opinion, just my opinion,
Speaker 1: so much more impressive than what like Troy Brown and
Speaker 1: Jules did because his impact on offense is far greater
Speaker 1: than their impact was on defense. In my opinion, again,
Speaker 1: just my thought, what Marcus Jones is doing plus all
Speaker 1: of that as a rookie is borderline re god damndiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean, like he has been unreal to be doing
Speaker 1: some of the things that he's doing. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's funny that Paul purposely stayed away from
Speaker 1: what he knew my only good would be and it
Speaker 1: wasn't on his good list. Oh, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: you're only good would be. That's why when I said
Speaker 1: Jude on I didn't know a few. What I didn't,
Speaker 1: I really didn't know. Okay, I was hoping I stayed
Speaker 1: away from me, all right, but yeah, I mean those
Speaker 1: those I mean, the Patriots have no sniff in that
Speaker 1: game without his pick sex Yeah, okay, no sniff, all right,
Speaker 1: let's uh. And it was an amazing run. Oh that's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing that gets I mean that
Speaker 1: the pick itself was just the pick was thrown to right,
Speaker 1: but it's but it's a sixty nine yard run. Um,
Speaker 1: that was incredible, boss man Fred Curse joining us now,
Speaker 1: as we've gone through our first round of goods here
Speaker 1: with Kendrick Bourne, Matthew Judean, uh, Marcus Jones, which not
Speaker 1: everyone had on their good list? Did you have your good? Okay?
Speaker 1: All right, Fred, do you have any anybody to have
Speaker 1: good more than those three we just started? Freddie, So
Speaker 1: what did you have Marcus Jones, Matthew Judean and Kendrick Bourne. Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say born Um, yeah, I guess all right,
Speaker 1: Well defensive played, No, you get yourself so I'm terrible. Mom,
Speaker 1: Oh you're done, tas Okay, Yeah, I had I had um,
Speaker 1: I had myers just because I thought he was his typical,
Speaker 1: like really hard nosed self. I know his numbers were good,
Speaker 1: but that's really inflated by a fluke. Hail mary um.
Speaker 1: And I had There's only one guy on defense that
Speaker 1: I thought did anything worth the damn and that was
Speaker 1: Joan Bentley. I thought he was really active in the
Speaker 1: game and fill in holes um. The rest of the
Speaker 1: defense was completely and utterly overmatched, utterly overmatched. They had
Speaker 1: no shot. I flirted it in the second half, no shot.
Speaker 1: I flirted with Bentley a little bit. I just point
Speaker 1: the pass break up the first stop they got, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that was a big play. But
Speaker 1: I flirted with Bentley. No, I didn't really technically put
Speaker 1: him on, but I flirted with him a little bit. Oh,
Speaker 1: just a little, a little slap and tickle. Well, hold on,
Speaker 1: why didn't they have a chance of the second half?
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop him. They didn't score any points. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, we all know how that unfolded. Wow, Well,
Speaker 1: I dropped a touchdown pass, they missed a field goal,
Speaker 1: they had a third down and one that they ended
Speaker 1: up getting called back and had to end up punting.
Speaker 1: Like there was like they did very I mean, Fred,
Speaker 1: did the numbers speak for themselves. Well, I mean eight
Speaker 1: for sixteen on third down four two yards, I think,
Speaker 1: couldn't I couldn't stop. I kind of agree with Fred though,
Speaker 1: in that keeping points off the board does count for something,
Speaker 1: and as much as if you do something to keep
Speaker 1: them off the board, I would agree when the other
Speaker 1: guy drops a touchdown in the end zone, you didn't
Speaker 1: do anything to keep points off the board. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's what I'm That's like if they just came out
Speaker 1: in the second half and it was a complete role reversal,
Speaker 1: I would say, Wow, I don't know what they did
Speaker 1: it to me. I was stunted the first drive of
Speaker 1: the second half when they just did the same exact
Speaker 1: stuff they did the whole first half. I was like,
Speaker 1: what did they talk about at half time? I don't
Speaker 1: when you had the last real possession that they had
Speaker 1: and as I was watching it said they got to
Speaker 1: turn this ball over before the fifty. If they get
Speaker 1: across the fifteen, there's less than three minutes on the
Speaker 1: clock that get the game is over and they turn
Speaker 1: it over. So it's like that's doing something. That's why
Speaker 1: I put Matthew Jude. That's why I put Matthew Jude
Speaker 1: onto the good list, but he's on the defense. But
Speaker 1: that was that was the play. I said, sometimes you
Speaker 1: get on for one play, okay, and I put them on.
Speaker 1: I think they showed a little something that when you
Speaker 1: do it was better in the second half. In the
Speaker 1: first half, okay, yeah, when they don't punt it all
Speaker 1: in the first half, and then you know you at
Speaker 1: least I'm not saying they forced three punts, but when
Speaker 1: the other team does have to punt at least three
Speaker 1: times in the second half, the defense gets some credit.
Speaker 1: They showed some fighting in the second half, the defense,
Speaker 1: and one of them was the last tray. Do you
Speaker 1: really think that they would like if they just threw
Speaker 1: the ball, they would have had the three and out.
Speaker 1: Do you like they're just running the ball to run
Speaker 1: the clock out and make them take their time out.
Speaker 1: I was making my way down here at that point,
Speaker 1: so I didn't, okay. The last one of the punts
Speaker 1: was kind of okay, all right, kind of a concession,
Speaker 1: but I was I was fighting my way through the crowd,
Speaker 1: which all uh. I left the booth and the crowd
Speaker 1: left right after the Stevenson fumble. That was it. That
Speaker 1: was a good time to leave, all right, So we
Speaker 1: should go right to the bad. All right, let's go
Speaker 1: to the bad. Let's just go right to Stevenson. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I just go back to early
Speaker 1: last year when he got benched early on, like where
Speaker 1: Stevenson ben he fumbled once and we haven't seen him
Speaker 1: in two weeks. You know, not to connect it totally,
Speaker 1: but just how do you do this two weeks in
Speaker 1: a row, at the end of the game, with the game,
Speaker 1: the game is in your hands, and twice, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to put it all on him,
Speaker 1: because I think the offense came out absolutely like trash
Speaker 1: with with how they performed in the first half. Um,
Speaker 1: but this is just it's it's unfortunate because he's had
Speaker 1: one of the few really good seasons of offensive players
Speaker 1: on the Patriots right now, and he's cost them two
Speaker 1: games with stupid, stupid decisions that that cannot happen. They
Speaker 1: just like this cannot happen for last year. Well, I
Speaker 1: last year. No, I didn't say that. I'm just in
Speaker 1: the last two games, the last two games he's made
Speaker 1: stupid I was actually No, that's a good point. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of the Miami fumble, like his rookie
Speaker 1: his first game, right, and remember we were like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's so like why does he get fumbled? And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's just weird now that all of a sudden, here
Speaker 1: we are. He's got a bunch of good games and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden might have fumbled. And I
Speaker 1: fought back on that against some guys. He might have
Speaker 1: a fumbling problem, like he had the one against Buffalo,
Speaker 1: not the one in the handoff, the one on the
Speaker 1: little screen he dropped. He had one today that went
Speaker 1: out of that went out of bounds, right, it was
Speaker 1: the first play after halftime. Yeah, he might have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a fumble. And I don't even know
Speaker 1: if it's a fumbling. Maybe this is what, but it's
Speaker 1: it's mental. Can I do what I do best real
Speaker 1: quick and we'll get with the bads and everything, and
Speaker 1: you guys can call me a random sword play that
Speaker 1: you're going to round, just a random time where I
Speaker 1: like to beat the beat the living crap out of
Speaker 1: the officials. At what point is it forward progress? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like push back. I'm not trying to like say, like
Speaker 1: Sunshine dot com, you know that you guys know me
Speaker 1: well enough. I'm not doing that. But I've seen that
Speaker 1: play blown dead many times. Yeah, well, usually he gets
Speaker 1: hit and he's getting pushed back like three four yards,
Speaker 1: but Paul, not often enough because we sit here especially,
Speaker 1: that's not forward. I mean he's still he's still fighting
Speaker 1: for yards. But like Fred said right away, like he
Speaker 1: definitely loses the ball, but you know, did the whistle blow?
Speaker 1: I think that's what progress right we It comes up
Speaker 1: most often we're sitting here watching the away games, We're like,
Speaker 1: would you blow that play dead? The guy's gonna get killed?
Speaker 1: Stop it already the place. And I do think that
Speaker 1: they afford quarterback that more so because the quarterback isn't
Speaker 1: fighting for yards, yes, whereas the running back is fighting
Speaker 1: for yards. But I don't know. I just i've seen
Speaker 1: this play called forward progress before. I'm just gonna beat
Speaker 1: the crap out of the officials because that's what I
Speaker 1: do best. While we're here with the video, can I
Speaker 1: just ask, did you see what Mac did to get
Speaker 1: the penalty after this whole I didn't, but I was watching,
Speaker 1: did you see I didn't see that? Mike but I
Speaker 1: saw a very cheap play that Matt got away with
Speaker 1: on that play where it was disputed whether or not
Speaker 1: he fumbled on the intentional grounding them. The player for
Speaker 1: the Bengals returned that for a touchdown, right, and he
Speaker 1: just dives at a guy's legs like twenty yards behind
Speaker 1: the play like a really First of all, it's a
Speaker 1: penalty that they didn't call because you can't take a
Speaker 1: guy's legs out, even as the defensive team um. And
Speaker 1: it's like that's an attempt to injure like that you're
Speaker 1: diving at a guy's legs. Can't You cannot allowed to
Speaker 1: do that. You're not allowed to pull guys off the pile.
Speaker 1: So this so this probably isn't. I think somebody got pushed,
Speaker 1: So this isn't all of a sudden you see, here's
Speaker 1: when you see all the flags come out and that
Speaker 1: like Bengal goes flying. If you if you, if you
Speaker 1: got call for just pulling guys off the pile, that's
Speaker 1: not a cheap shot. But that's a penalty. No, it
Speaker 1: seems like this guy maybe twenty one here, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell the left that's an underrated penalty too. By the way,
Speaker 1: because they just they just ran the ball three times,
Speaker 1: you know that, So instead of making the punt from
Speaker 1: the end zone, you gave them fifteen yards. Ye. Well
Speaker 1: that I mean that that could be a big difference.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna jump in here with
Speaker 1: my first bat and said, it's the offense. There's still
Speaker 1: no offense when you're in that position and you're down there.
Speaker 1: And I started talking about this before we started the list,
Speaker 1: Fred when the challenge comes from up above, and they
Speaker 1: said they actually didn't pick up the first down there. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're third and inches. I say that screwed up
Speaker 1: the Patriots because I think whether it's Matt Patricio or
Speaker 1: Matt Jones, there's somebody they say to themselves almost inherently,
Speaker 1: when we got to get the first down, and I say, no,
Speaker 1: you don't, you need to touchdown, but they run that
Speaker 1: stupid play that gets a couple of inches for Romandre
Speaker 1: Stevenson and that gives them the first down. So what
Speaker 1: time has clicked is ticked. But we have plenty of time.
Speaker 1: Oh was on our side. Sure, And just just like before,
Speaker 1: you sp all three timeouts and I'm gonna give before
Speaker 1: you score the last touchdown, and there's seven minutes, six minutes,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's a it's a it's a play,
Speaker 1: and then it's a huddle and let's wait for the
Speaker 1: play to come in. And you're standing there and I'm
Speaker 1: watching the clock. I'm like, you guys don't have that
Speaker 1: much time. Was you had a new set it down
Speaker 1: at the time in the world. Time wasn't a fact.
Speaker 1: If you want to go with your momentum thing, I
Speaker 1: think momentum more momentum more so than time. They had
Speaker 1: him on the run, you know, throw it into the
Speaker 1: end zone. So why go for why go for a
Speaker 1: first down? What's the point take a shot because you
Speaker 1: don't get it right now the game comes down to
Speaker 1: one play, then you can okay, but you can run
Speaker 1: that same play when the game comes down to one
Speaker 1: play and have just as much success with it. Well,
Speaker 1: you can play like they did on the first That
Speaker 1: is the point. They don't have anything other than that play.
Speaker 1: They really don't. They have desperation. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's I liked where they were sitting. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you had a chance. You made the Bengals blow all
Speaker 1: their timeouts, so even when they got the ball back,
Speaker 1: they were gonna have no timeouts and you had a
Speaker 1: fresh set of down So let's say you don't get
Speaker 1: it on the first try, you get it on a second,
Speaker 1: third try running the ball, They're not gonna have much time,
Speaker 1: you know. And believe me, if Burrow has the time,
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat you. Yeah, you know, so you're right.
Speaker 1: I was actually don't score. If I was Cincinnati, I
Speaker 1: don't know that they were going to beat you the
Speaker 1: way they were playing, the way they were beating themselves
Speaker 1: in that second half. And I tell you, if if
Speaker 1: there's any momentum in that game and you have it
Speaker 1: as the Patriots offense, stop huddling, stop taking all that time.
Speaker 1: And even at the end when the game is pretty
Speaker 1: much over, they get called for a delay a game
Speaker 1: because they're wa for a player to come in doing that.
Speaker 1: There's bad. There's no offense. They can't run an offense.
Speaker 1: There is no party. It was so bad in the
Speaker 1: first half. After the third drive, I called for Zappy.
Speaker 1: Well you were that's something you were, no, I know,
Speaker 1: but I've always been against that, you know, like, what
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do? You know, it's crazy. I called
Speaker 1: for Zappy because it looked that bad. I think I
Speaker 1: thought I heard you amongst the chorus of people calling
Speaker 1: for Zappy. You know, now he looked a little better
Speaker 1: in the second half, and I just wonder, like how
Speaker 1: much of this is coaching, you know, because all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, here's Kendrick Bourne, Like where the hell has
Speaker 1: he been? You know, it's like it's there. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're I've always thought there better than what they let
Speaker 1: let Mac cook. I just let Mac cook. I don't
Speaker 1: think Mac can cook, dude. I don't even think he
Speaker 1: was great in the second half. I think you take
Speaker 1: out the forty eight yard hill, Mary, and you know,
Speaker 1: you throw us food two yards in a touchdown. And
Speaker 1: Fred Paul, I know what you're saying. I understand about
Speaker 1: the clock. I understand that. You know, the Bengals had
Speaker 1: used their time outs, and you know it's a minute
Speaker 1: and you're close. The way this offense runs, or the
Speaker 1: way this lap of an offense runs, it's not enough time.
Speaker 1: They need so much time to essentially do nothing. So
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't matter they had three timeouts, but they
Speaker 1: need but they need every single second, and we've seen
Speaker 1: them use timeouts and then have to use another one
Speaker 1: on top of it. They can't get a play in
Speaker 1: blow it. Okay, but like for a normal NFL offense,
Speaker 1: you were in perfect position. Yeah, I agree, And that's
Speaker 1: the key phrase that you just made. Though freddie an offense.
Speaker 1: I was talking to our buddy Evan as the you know,
Speaker 1: as what's going and I'm I'm thinking of it in
Speaker 1: terms of exactly what Fred's talking about. Like I've Mike,
Speaker 1: you make fun of me, like I've been in these
Speaker 1: you know I can do this right, It's like chess.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, if you're a good offense, you're
Speaker 1: not only scoring, you're doing so as methodically as you can.
Speaker 1: But that makes a big assumption that you can score,
Speaker 1: that you're you know you're gonna score right right, And
Speaker 1: I don't think they knew they were going to score,
Speaker 1: And that's I think that's why it was driving me nuts.
Speaker 1: When they were still down two scores and it's seven
Speaker 1: minutes and they burned forty five seconds in between plays,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, this team the only way
Speaker 1: they can reasonably move the ball is via six yard checkdowns,
Speaker 1: and it takes so much time to do that. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't be huddling and waiting for the play to
Speaker 1: come in and have it and back up there calling
Speaker 1: out the middle linebacker and it's all just snap the
Speaker 1: ball and let's snap. Let's face it, if the Patriots
Speaker 1: had pulled this out, we would have been calling it
Speaker 1: the Christmas miracle because you know, the tip ball to
Speaker 1: mind absolutely, you know, the fum ball and the miss
Speaker 1: the missed extra points. I mean, all of that had
Speaker 1: to add up to make this possibly didn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that he didn't want them
Speaker 1: to win, but it just felt like, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: handed this game. I don't care about that I wanted,
Speaker 1: but like, if you want to win, that people would
Speaker 1: have I I know everybody's afraid of right now, which
Speaker 1: is that they were gonna pull something out of their
Speaker 1: butts and then they were gonna point to this in
Speaker 1: the last season and be like, well, against Cincinnati, we
Speaker 1: drive together at the end of the game, like I said, back,
Speaker 1: like I said, if all of a sudden, they came
Speaker 1: out in the first drive of the second half and
Speaker 1: it was like eight place, seventy five yards, touchdown, three
Speaker 1: and out, followed by you know, twelve place seventy five yards.
Speaker 1: That's a comeback. Yes, this Yeah, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what to like. I think Fred's right. The Christmas miracle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like there was literally seventeen things that touchdown. What was it?
Speaker 1: It was third and what thirty? That on that play
Speaker 1: it was not too I haven't I mean other than
Speaker 1: you guys, I haven't met anybody that didn't think that
Speaker 1: was a fumble. But with Matt, yeah, on on that play, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, the ball was clearly out of his hands
Speaker 1: before it started going forward. But anyway, even with that,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's probably just sitting there. Yeah, just make sure we
Speaker 1: don't commit any penalties. It's gonna be fourth and a million.
Speaker 1: And then you let the guy get two hands on
Speaker 1: the ball on the goal line. It bounces off of
Speaker 1: them right to myers. Fred if if wow, like Fred's
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, it would have been the Christmas Miracle
Speaker 1: and people would have been thinking, I thought Matt couldn't
Speaker 1: come back, right, Like, it only would have covered up
Speaker 1: the real problems. Man, Okay, if it were the Christmas Miracle,
Speaker 1: let's create the meme right now. The three wise men
Speaker 1: would be Bill Belichick, Matt Patricia, and I would like
Speaker 1: to nominate Jerry, who was sitting next to the owner today.
Speaker 1: I think that would make a nice mean. I think
Speaker 1: Jerry was a little drummer boy just because the extra Okay, yeah, Jerry,
Speaker 1: I would you would? You said, would you admit this,
Speaker 1: Fred if the mac Jones non fumble in your estimation?
Speaker 1: Was it at least fumbley? Fred said it was close.
Speaker 1: He did. Were watching it together and we would just
Speaker 1: I thought he had possession in the you know, the ball.
Speaker 1: I think it's an empty hand like any favors now,
Speaker 1: but I thought it. I thought it did. He clearly
Speaker 1: had the ball and it came out, but had it
Speaker 1: already started its forward? Yeah? And I think there was
Speaker 1: one of those that that they if they had called
Speaker 1: that a fumble on the field, I think you're I
Speaker 1: think they would have stuck with it because I think
Speaker 1: it was. It was really close. I think Fred's right.
Speaker 1: I think it was really close. And to me, I
Speaker 1: thought his hand was empty. When you thought the born
Speaker 1: catch wasn't a catch, yeah, I was not not the
Speaker 1: catch itself. I thought he caught it. Everybody was fixated
Speaker 1: on whether or not he had the ball when he
Speaker 1: was on the ground. I not like. To me, he
Speaker 1: clearly caught it. I didn't know if he had fully
Speaker 1: secured the ball when that first foot was on the ground,
Speaker 1: right if you compare it to that on the Hunter
Speaker 1: Henry touchdown exact the same play. Yeah, Now, I thought
Speaker 1: the Hunter Henry play was a catch, and I think
Speaker 1: they're I think I'm very consistent. The catch part, to me,
Speaker 1: didn't bother me. I didn't know when he watched this
Speaker 1: right here, right here, he's got it. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if he had that first foot when he had actually
Speaker 1: secured hits his hands right here, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's down immediately goes up, Fredd, he gets his
Speaker 1: two feet down. I don't think there's any argument. It's
Speaker 1: whether or not he fully had control of the ball
Speaker 1: when that first that foot comes up immediately. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: after he had control, they're declaring that he has control
Speaker 1: of the ball as soon as it hits his cloth.
Speaker 1: That's right. I think that was really close. I would
Speaker 1: like to see that play called a catch every time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. Unfortunately, the rest of the league disagrees with me,
Speaker 1: because Hardy's right, that play has been called incomplete at
Speaker 1: least fifteen times since the Hunter Henry play. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that play has been called incomplete more often than not lately.
Speaker 1: And that should be a catch one hundred times out
Speaker 1: of hundreds. So that's how you can live with this loss.
Speaker 1: You know, that one. I don't know if that one
Speaker 1: really holds up as a catch, you know, half the
Speaker 1: time even that's a catch to me, I think it is,
Speaker 1: but you know, but they ever, I'm very consistent when
Speaker 1: these guys make unbelievable plays to like contort their bodies.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm saying, catch the ball, that's a catch.
Speaker 1: They ruled it not a catch? Or do they rule
Speaker 1: it out a bout? Yeah, they ruled him out of bounds? Furious, remember, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if all they're if he was he first because he
Speaker 1: had a challenge it like why are you fur? I
Speaker 1: don't get like he's furious because he can't find his
Speaker 1: sock or he was just he was screaming at disgustingly.
Speaker 1: But you can live with it because of that and
Speaker 1: also the holding call that you got down the left
Speaker 1: side line. I believe on this same drive right o, man,
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't see that. Well, listen, there was nothing
Speaker 1: there on that right, because there was nothing to see.
Speaker 1: He never even there was he never even touched him
Speaker 1: held he may have hooked a finger inside his jersey.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the ref called. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they called it. It didn't happen. So they're now eight,
Speaker 1: seven and eight. It didn't happen. So nine and eight
Speaker 1: still on the table. Fred, Yes, that's your favor it is,
Speaker 1: that's your favorite line after every long um, okay, let's
Speaker 1: say one more, just one more thing. People hasn't even
Speaker 1: done a bad he always done any bad jem. Well,
Speaker 1: well you had said bad offense. I just by I mean,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, like the first four possessions
Speaker 1: it was a third and four punt, third and six punt,
Speaker 1: third and five punt, third and five punt, like and
Speaker 1: these are down you got him, like third and five,
Speaker 1: it's not. Meanwhile, those possessions the other way went five
Speaker 1: for seventy eight in a touchdown, nine for fifty nine
Speaker 1: in a touchdown, ten for forty one in a field
Speaker 1: goal with a drop touchdown in the middle of that. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then twelve for eighty in a touchdown. So while
Speaker 1: you were punting every single possession, they were scoring every
Speaker 1: single possession like it was total domination. It was not even.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even it was like a homecoming game. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even like two NFL it was. It was. It
Speaker 1: had the makings of one of those games where the
Speaker 1: other team comes to Foxbrown it's freezing cold, and we
Speaker 1: put fifty on them. You know, that's the way it
Speaker 1: used to be. And I just thought, like the whole
Speaker 1: thing to you a point, Mike about the offense and
Speaker 1: then the defensively, like the covers was off. They're letting
Speaker 1: guys run. You know, they've given everything underneath. Every time
Speaker 1: they ran deep, they got open deep. Tee Higgins was
Speaker 1: was opened deep. Uh. You know they're calling timeouts because
Speaker 1: they don't have the proper personnel out there. First drive
Speaker 1: at the game, yeah right, you know they're getting caught off.
Speaker 1: The first two drives were just all full thirty nine
Speaker 1: yard or a Higgins like right off the bat, like
Speaker 1: what second play of the game, it was just like
Speaker 1: here we go. This is what they're gonna do. They're
Speaker 1: gonna target Marks Jones down the field on those big receivers.
Speaker 1: And then they missed it. They missed the extra point.
Speaker 1: The second extra point by McPherson, and quality gets a
Speaker 1: personal follow because now they ended up stopping it. But
Speaker 1: they ended up you know, like just another ten penalties
Speaker 1: today there was probably eight worth of eight different things
Speaker 1: worthy of bad on like the in those drives defensively.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something before the before the Trent
Speaker 1: Brown falls start there, I saw him a couple of
Speaker 1: plays earlier. I'm like, oh, he's checked out of this game.
Speaker 1: You can just tell from the body language sometimes from
Speaker 1: that guy. And I'm like, yeah, we are overdue for
Speaker 1: a false start or you know, a lazy hold or
Speaker 1: something from Trent Brown. And a few plays later were
Speaker 1: popped up. I'm like, yeah, that's what I thought I
Speaker 1: saw as he was kind of, you know, just kind
Speaker 1: of like skirting the outside of the huddle, like we're
Speaker 1: still doing this, I still playing. I think it was
Speaker 1: afraid that this was going to be like one of
Speaker 1: those kind of pullout wins like that, but like ultimately
Speaker 1: it ended up being a totally twenty twenty two characteristic
Speaker 1: Patriots loss of This is them right, Like as much
Speaker 1: as it was about to be this like out of
Speaker 1: character thing where they pulled it out, it was them
Speaker 1: all right. Um, other specific bads. Just the secondary in general.
Speaker 1: I didn't think was competitive in the game. I didn't
Speaker 1: think they had anybody covered all. I just think they
Speaker 1: were overmatched. They were. They're just not as good they were,
Speaker 1: You're right, I mean, they just they were overmatched, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's what happens when you have a quarterback who
Speaker 1: can throw the ball to yes, exactly between and how
Speaker 1: great the defense is against these backup quarterbacks and two
Speaker 1: of his receivers keys. That is the type. That's the
Speaker 1: type of talent where you can just put it up
Speaker 1: and say here you go, get that. And he he
Speaker 1: had like three of them. Yes, the one to Chase
Speaker 1: down in our corner, and then he hadn't. He had
Speaker 1: just like a routine like fifteen yard out, twelve yard
Speaker 1: out in the second half where he threw the ball
Speaker 1: like a day and a half before Chase even broke
Speaker 1: to the outside. The one to Chase down in your corner.
Speaker 1: He threw that ball so early and I don't think
Speaker 1: Chase had even made his cut yet, and the coverage
Speaker 1: was there, but Burrow just trusted him and saying, you
Speaker 1: know what, if I put it over there, he was
Speaker 1: he was open. He didn't even have to throw him open, Fred, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just open. And then the other one on the other side.
Speaker 1: The other one to Irwin was like the same thing.
Speaker 1: He had all kinds of room. He just threw it up.
Speaker 1: Let him make a play. I think it was Irwin.
Speaker 1: I think that was it. We just saw that the
Speaker 1: one down in you see him, He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's two yards. That's the one that's the one. Great job,
Speaker 1: great job on the videos. And the other one, the
Speaker 1: other one at the other end of the field. Though,
Speaker 1: to Chase, the Paul mentioned was like Burrow threw the
Speaker 1: ball and then you saw like Chase turnaround, see the ball,
Speaker 1: realize where it's going, and then like like it was
Speaker 1: just like he the ball was just slow down there
Speaker 1: for him. Look at that. There's no real want to
Speaker 1: throw that ball when he did, other than well, I
Speaker 1: can put the ball exactly where I want to and
Speaker 1: I know my receiver. There was an element of sort
Speaker 1: of and I don't this is going to sound really disrespectful.
Speaker 1: I don't mean it's not, but like we haven't seen
Speaker 1: offense like that with I mean, obviously with the way
Speaker 1: that the Patriots passing offense has been all year but
Speaker 1: it was like, wow, it was like an appreciation for
Speaker 1: some of those plays today, like some of those players
Speaker 1: on the sideline that were thrown with timing well and
Speaker 1: precise your guys, Zolac in the booth, I think you know,
Speaker 1: people were saying that he was like, this is the
Speaker 1: kind of offense we used to have, you know, we
Speaker 1: used to be able to do this. Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: when you had Brady, I don't that's what he meant.
Speaker 1: I hope he didn't mean last year. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's what he meant, because that must have been during
Speaker 1: the part of the game when he was here, because
Speaker 1: there is a huge ground like it doesn't you don't
Speaker 1: hear it anymore. But going into this year, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of this is what mac Jones can be. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is Joe Burrow and I'm sorry, I don't see
Speaker 1: the same level of talent. I don't. At some point,
Speaker 1: Zo just started focusing in on the clam chowder, and
Speaker 1: then then he came back after the after the hail Mary,
Speaker 1: a little bit of hail Mary, because I gotta be honest,
Speaker 1: even the pick six didn't like I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's nice for Marcus Jones he's he's my pet rookie.
Speaker 1: I was happy for him the hail Mary. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh huh, this that happened. We'll still like six minutes left.
Speaker 1: Bengals are going to have to put a drive together.
Speaker 1: And that's when you started thinking. And again I had
Speaker 1: the same feeling, like I don't know that they're gonna
Speaker 1: win this game, but something miraculous could happen on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: Oh And that's what it's funny because that's the four
Speaker 1: of us. You know. I know Fred's usually busy with
Speaker 1: the blog, but we were just talking the whole time.
Speaker 1: It's like, I know what feels like, it's fifty to nothing,
Speaker 1: but the Bengals have made it so it's only twenty
Speaker 1: two to nothing. You know, they missed two extra points,
Speaker 1: they miss a field goal, they drop a touchdown, and
Speaker 1: instead of thirty to nothing, it was twenty two to nothing.
Speaker 1: And you know, by the time that tip touchdown happened,
Speaker 1: a lot of people had left. Oh yeah, And I
Speaker 1: was thinking to myself, if the Patriots win this, how
Speaker 1: many of those people say I was there? I was there.
Speaker 1: It's like the Ted Williams home running don Way. All
Speaker 1: the people that say they witnessed it. Before we get
Speaker 1: to the injured. To add one more good I wanted
Speaker 1: to get to, and that's Nick Folk. Had he made
Speaker 1: one of those extra points, I mean bad. No. Had
Speaker 1: he made one of the extra points, then I think, uh,
Speaker 1: the other missed one doesn't count as much and he
Speaker 1: probably would have kicked the field goals so they wouldn't
Speaker 1: had to have you know, you know, been thinking about
Speaker 1: the touchdown. So good job by him. Um. I would
Speaker 1: also add him the special time you got to reach
Speaker 1: that special team's coverage again. Kick off out to the
Speaker 1: forty on one of them. Was it returns all day?
Speaker 1: They both the kicker a puncher dropping the ball. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is they're they're punting it not high and
Speaker 1: it's going short, so the coverage doesn't even have time
Speaker 1: to set up. You know, the kickoff coverage has been
Speaker 1: a problem when it hasn't been a touchback, it's been
Speaker 1: a problem. Nick Pherson and and Folk were so bad today.
Speaker 1: Was it wind here down there that I thought something
Speaker 1: going on in that south end zone? Holy crap? But
Speaker 1: I thought our end zones at the south one, yeah,
Speaker 1: the north one too. I mean they could anything that
Speaker 1: wasn't affecting the passes. But that was the weird thing.
Speaker 1: Folks miss to the open end. He just shanked like
Speaker 1: that was a low kick. I can't okay, So of
Speaker 1: course didn't get a replay. Why would you get a replay? Um? Sorry,
Speaker 1: that my fault. No, we just I should have broken
Speaker 1: five minutes. She talked too much. I know you never
Speaker 1: shut up, homeboy, you never shut up. Um. I thought
Speaker 1: someone got a hand on it and defied. Maybe, but
Speaker 1: we didn't get a replay. When I saw, I didn't
Speaker 1: get it. I didn't get a look either, I did.
Speaker 1: I just saw a low kick. But if that's it,
Speaker 1: then that that that's different. I think the wind problem
Speaker 1: was at our end Southend. Yeah, yeah, I mean clearly
Speaker 1: McPherson's first one was affected by it because it really
Speaker 1: pushed right. Then he missed the next one right, and
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, he's going to overcompensate and miss
Speaker 1: one left, and sure enough the field goal he missed left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I missed extra point and missed a field goal
Speaker 1: for McPherson, and then you know, folk just made nothing.
Speaker 1: So all right, Um, it's bad, bad all around. Injuries. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's some injuries. We did lost both tight end Henry
Speaker 1: early knee, you know, and you gotta hand it to
Speaker 1: the tight ends, you know. Henry gets hurt while running
Speaker 1: into the other tight ends. Joonu Smith on the first
Speaker 1: third down of the game, I believe unorthodox play knee
Speaker 1: and he didn't come back. And later Um macum really
Speaker 1: tried his best to kill John U. Smith. He tried
Speaker 1: to kill him Um and he didn't return either with
Speaker 1: a head injury. Schooler went out early, came back though.
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones went out. Yeah, I didn't h was on
Speaker 1: the recovery. But I wonder if Marcus Jones got like
Speaker 1: pebbles in his eyes or something. Yeah, but he looked
Speaker 1: fine on the play that Jhonu Smith got sandwich. He
Speaker 1: didn't get hit in the head though. No, but the
Speaker 1: whiplash when you got hit from one side, the whiplash, alright,
Speaker 1: he get hit from from the Patriots sideline into another guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he didn't hit his head, he did kind of
Speaker 1: like jarred and then he I don't know was that
Speaker 1: was a pretty big retrospect, but it was a clean hit.
Speaker 1: It didn't No, No, you're right back, Jones can't throw
Speaker 1: that someone explained to me, like I'm a child. How
Speaker 1: mac Jones throws that ball? Yeah? How do you? How
Speaker 1: do you pull the trigger on that pass? I what
Speaker 1: what do you see that allows you? And the things
Speaker 1: that he doesn't see, Like, you know, they had one
Speaker 1: angle where on a sack and he steps up and
Speaker 1: you're seeing it from his vantage point, and there's guy's
Speaker 1: crossing that if he just gets rid of it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he could get it there and he ends
Speaker 1: up taking the sack. And especially when you when you've
Speaker 1: got somebody, it doesn't even have to be on a
Speaker 1: cross Sometimes it's someone opened for a screen, which he loves.
Speaker 1: You know, he's holding out of the ball. There was
Speaker 1: one plane. He's rolling out right looking for something downfield,
Speaker 1: Like look, kid, yeah, yeah, you haven't made one of
Speaker 1: those throws, you know, on purpose out on one of
Speaker 1: those he rolled out, there was nobody open. He's about
Speaker 1: to get sacked and John who he cut back to
Speaker 1: his game. Johnno came with him, which was a smart play.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's not a normal NFL passing offense.
Speaker 1: It's certainly it just isn't all right. Um, let's let's
Speaker 1: grab some phone calls here, let's go ahead and do it.
Speaker 1: We'll start with Eric in New Jersey Patriots postgame show
Speaker 1: Pats lose at home to the Bengals twenty two eighteen.
Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Eric? Hey, can you
Speaker 1: guys hear me? Yes? Yeah, okay? Man. Mary Priston was
Speaker 1: first and foremost two bass one talk about real quick house.
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones love him, but I think he was being
Speaker 1: exploded out there at the you know five. You know,
Speaker 1: Martin's just gonna match up big guys. That flooding tight
Speaker 1: ends on him. I think he's I think he's a
Speaker 1: heck of a ballplayer. I do think he's going to
Speaker 1: be out there. If he could stop te Higgins or
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, he would have been drafted in the first round.
Speaker 1: You know, he couldn't do it in college. But the point,
Speaker 1: I think, the point he's trying to make is he
Speaker 1: can't do it because of his size. Well whatever it is,
Speaker 1: he never was that guy. Yeah, well you know what
Speaker 1: we've seen it before. I was top five to go birds.
Speaker 1: I mean against smart teams. Smart teams just gonna match him.
Speaker 1: It's also but I mean it, see Higgins is a monster,
Speaker 1: jam Chase, Jamal Chase like six foot like and I
Speaker 1: mean he's a monster in terms of a player, But
Speaker 1: like I need my cornerbacks to be able to cover receiver.
Speaker 1: You should even good ones. Yes, now there's always match
Speaker 1: up like a five eight guy against T Higgins can't
Speaker 1: do it. And and twice they had him on an
Speaker 1: island on the outside just throwing it up and he couldn't.
Speaker 1: He was powerless. But like he should be able, he
Speaker 1: should be able to compete with other guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I think he struggles. I think he's been thrust
Speaker 1: into a terrible position. Totally a great receiver. He's a rookie.
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that because he's my bankie. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't play outside at all in training,
Speaker 1: can I mean, they're they're down there they I mean,
Speaker 1: and we can talk about lack of depth at outside corner,
Speaker 1: which is certainly a thing, but without Mills, without Jack Jones,
Speaker 1: you're stuck trying to play slots, slot corner outside. I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you. But I just think that smart
Speaker 1: teams is just gonna find that as that matchups that
Speaker 1: match up, Yeah, I hear you, What do they do?
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want them to do you
Speaker 1: want to? But Sean Wade out there like that. They
Speaker 1: don't have anybody else. He got torched for a touchdown
Speaker 1: when he was out there. Do you feel like, like,
Speaker 1: how much better did you feel about Jack Jones? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that much bigger. No, he's a
Speaker 1: little he's a little taller, but not. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is totally fair, totally fair. I think I think Jackson.
Speaker 1: I think Jackson lilong in the limb. I just think
Speaker 1: markings better used. I think Marcus is better in coverage,
Speaker 1: though I mean it's a given take. He's a fourth
Speaker 1: round guy. But I think I think I said, I
Speaker 1: think markings will be better used than on the offensive side.
Speaker 1: That's just my my puff peep there and then get
Speaker 1: the offense. I mean, I understand the coaching and everything,
Speaker 1: but Mackie got a muster up figure a way there
Speaker 1: at the end. You had a game silver plate, put
Speaker 1: on the you know, put and put on the line
Speaker 1: people just to sit there. And when that you take
Speaker 1: the ball from the forties. It was disgusting and I'll
Speaker 1: take it off and I wish you guys the best
Speaker 1: man happy New Years. I think we start saying Happy
Speaker 1: New Year? Is that etiquette on Monday? I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot See this is a catch the tay Kwon
Speaker 1: threw it and has yeas to make that like this.
Speaker 1: That's not a hard play, you know, I you know,
Speaker 1: in fairness I talked about the Bengals dropping plays and
Speaker 1: run through it. That's point. You don't have to stop
Speaker 1: and dive. Keep running. That drop costs you points. And
Speaker 1: a kind of the kind of that play that they
Speaker 1: he made once or twice in training camp that made
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of ENTHUSISAM kind of think
Speaker 1: it was easier than some of the plays we saw
Speaker 1: him making training camp. To be honest, I mean, it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're making excuses. But and the ball wasn't underthrown,
Speaker 1: but it probably was coming in closer to his body
Speaker 1: than he wanted to. And you know, he end up
Speaker 1: trying to catch it. And here's a bolstered with the hands.
Speaker 1: But a real receiver makes that catch regardless. That's right.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has any reason to be going
Speaker 1: to the ground right there. Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: he made it more difficult. I'll tell you a ball
Speaker 1: that wasn't a throne at the end the bomb to Thornton.
Speaker 1: Thornton had to slow up and run into the receiver defender.
Speaker 1: But if Mac had the arm, Yeah, Thornton had the
Speaker 1: space and he can you imagine if he caught that
Speaker 1: of God call back for the legal man down fear.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, like in the end, you know,
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, because if he caught it, the game
Speaker 1: would have ended, right if if that last thorn and
Speaker 1: ball was caught thild like as it was coming down,
Speaker 1: I was just here it is. Here's the play we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about all offseason of like why we're
Speaker 1: excited about Taekwon Thornton and then but if you look
Speaker 1: at if Mac had the arm, He's off to the races. No,
Speaker 1: I was thinking defense and OPI one play untimed down
Speaker 1: from you know, That's what I was thinking. Let's go
Speaker 1: to Tom and Napa. The way the Bengals were playing
Speaker 1: in the second half, I thought they were going to
Speaker 1: do it all Patriots postgame show, Hi Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom,
Speaker 1: Tom Tom, rough year for you, Tom. Let's go this evening.
Speaker 1: Let's go William and Philly. What's up William? Hey, what's
Speaker 1: going on there? Willing are you doing good? Thanks for
Speaker 1: calling all right now? Uh my question is for Paul.
Speaker 1: Paul so I didn't I didn't catch the show earlier though,
Speaker 1: but I courted little pizza. I need you? Could you
Speaker 1: what you mean? It's not Bill Billichick's fault? I don't understand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? Yeah? What do you
Speaker 1: mean by that? It's not your fault? What do you
Speaker 1: mean by I don't? I don't know because I don't
Speaker 1: know what I don't know when I said it. I
Speaker 1: still think Bill is a good coach. I mean, if
Speaker 1: that's a controversial takeoff, that's I think he'll charge. Paul
Speaker 1: and I both said that dude would probably agree. We
Speaker 1: all think that Bill was still a got an interesting
Speaker 1: little nugget to share. We had ourselves a score of
Speaker 1: gami today. I saw that the twenty two eighteen has
Speaker 1: never been done before. It's that weird. What score twenty
Speaker 1: two to eighteen? No game is ever one? So it
Speaker 1: only it only took five extra five missed extra points
Speaker 1: to get there? Rightly, Wow, twenty two eighteen is never
Speaker 1: happens on seventy fifth. It's pretty odd, add Chris Berman,
Speaker 1: of all the games that have been playing I know,
Speaker 1: I mean twenty two eight signs right, you know, huh,
Speaker 1: so what's see? It makes a little differ now, doesn't
Speaker 1: It feels a little different. But that well, at least
Speaker 1: I saw something I've never you know, I mean anytime
Speaker 1: you go to the ballpark too, so you could see
Speaker 1: something you've ever seen. The only three scores that can't
Speaker 1: happen is one nothing, two to one, or one to one. Right,
Speaker 1: those are the only three scores that can't happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'd have to check if there's some kind of time
Speaker 1: number for football. There's like another prime number in football
Speaker 1: that you can't quite get. Yeah, I thought there was
Speaker 1: something about the one to get to four. Something could happen.
Speaker 1: I will, Oh, yeah, you can get a one. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't only get the extra you can't
Speaker 1: score it's like an obscure single that you can get
Speaker 1: us Okay, I don't know. I mean, yeah, you also
Speaker 1: can't have a score of negative three to two. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like if we're just talking about talking things
Speaker 1: that could not have were talking whole numbers. Okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't score one, that's correct. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think so. I'm trying to remember what our conversation was
Speaker 1: about Bill it because it was more nuanced than that
Speaker 1: in the pre game. I mean just to you know,
Speaker 1: and I love Willem, But yeah, I don't think Bill
Speaker 1: is thou like, like the biggest problem out there. I
Speaker 1: think Bill still I think Bill still has like an
Speaker 1: ability to put game plans together and whatnot. Do I
Speaker 1: think he's been part of the problem. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I think the decision to make defensive coaches the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator was a bad one, going back to not having
Speaker 1: a plan after Tom Brady, to making Matt Patricia your
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator to Yes, there have been a series of
Speaker 1: franchise shifting decisions that Bill has been responsible for it.
Speaker 1: And we still think he's a good coach. We still
Speaker 1: think that he does, you know, wonderful job. And if
Speaker 1: you have one of these scenarios where whether or injury
Speaker 1: levels the playing field, I like a Bill Belichick coach
Speaker 1: team and those scenarios. But there have been a few
Speaker 1: decisions that he has made big picture for this team
Speaker 1: that have hamstrung you out for three years. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't ignore those. I don't tell you I've been
Speaker 1: pretty great. And I mean for me. I think replacing
Speaker 1: Brady is it was a really hard thing to do,
Speaker 1: and I certainly it was not good enough. But that's
Speaker 1: a really hard thing to do. Um, But you gotta
Speaker 1: have a plan. But even if because nobody else wanted,
Speaker 1: but you have a plan, doesn't mean it's gonna work,
Speaker 1: you know, like like everybody's plan the party compared to
Speaker 1: they had to what happened with the offense this year.
Speaker 1: I see that as a way more egregious screw up
Speaker 1: because it's a completely incompetent offense, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams that need a quarterback
Speaker 1: out there. It's not like, well, and we'll just put
Speaker 1: that guy in for Brady and that'll work fine, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I agree, except except difference if you believe
Speaker 1: Tom Brady he knew he was gone in August before
Speaker 1: that season started. Oh yeah, And then they're not having
Speaker 1: a plan for that is that's that's very It's a
Speaker 1: big one. They had a plan, they implemented it too soon.
Speaker 1: The plan was garoppolo and it blew up, so they
Speaker 1: never got a chance to implement it. Brady ruined that plan.
Speaker 1: But when and then they really and then they they
Speaker 1: screwed up. I think for a year and a half. Right, No,
Speaker 1: but Garoppolo was going to be the guy to succeed.
Speaker 1: I know that. But now you have a year and
Speaker 1: a half to figure out what you're gonna do, and
Speaker 1: then then they made Then the second part of the
Speaker 1: mistake was not having faith in Brady and not being
Speaker 1: willing to pay him. Okay, yeah, I just I think
Speaker 1: he left because of money. He also left because the
Speaker 1: coach didn't want him because he wouldn't pay him. He
Speaker 1: left because of money. If they had paid him the money,
Speaker 1: that means they want I agree, But they didn't want
Speaker 1: to pay him the money, right because they didn't want him,
Speaker 1: that's right, Not because they didn't want to because they
Speaker 1: didn't have faith in him, right right, So like it's
Speaker 1: both ways, I know, But I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think if they gave him the contract he wanted, which
Speaker 1: I think is was still well below market, say, I
Speaker 1: think you would have stayed. And if the plan was Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: the instant you trade him, you start working on the
Speaker 1: next plan. And they didn't work on the next plan
Speaker 1: until they well they started winning super Bowls, remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But if but that was with Brady, and if you're
Speaker 1: not going to keep raiding the plan wasn't to keep him,
Speaker 1: then you have to start working on the next guy
Speaker 1: right away. They Yeah, they drafted Garoppolo and then they
Speaker 1: won three more Super Bowls. All right, let's uh, after
Speaker 1: you trade Garoppolo, that's when you need the next play.
Speaker 1: They screwed that up too, thank you. They should have
Speaker 1: traded him before the drew. You want to give him
Speaker 1: a pass because there's a well, they did have a plan.
Speaker 1: It was Garoppolo, Okay, but bet then you trade. I
Speaker 1: think we all recognized that they had a plan for
Speaker 1: twenty plus years. That plan was to have the greatest
Speaker 1: player who's ever played the game be the quarterback so
Speaker 1: you can win six titles. That was the plan, and
Speaker 1: it worked, and it worked a perfection. Thank you, Freddie.
Speaker 1: All right, Marcus Jones just got the wind knocked out
Speaker 1: of him, and he said, okay, that makes sense. I
Speaker 1: thought maybe the pebbles came up. Somebody said somebody said
Speaker 1: that in the booth. I'm like, I didn't get the
Speaker 1: win knocked out of him. I liked the I like
Speaker 1: the pebble theory. I'm sticking with the pebble theory, regardless
Speaker 1: of what Marcus just sebbles in the eyes, right right,
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Speaker 1: with Deshaun from Virginia. DeShawn, what do you have for us? Hello,
Speaker 1: guys one Pierre. How's it going? Good? Good? Okay. The
Speaker 1: more I look at these games throughout the season, um,
Speaker 1: I can most definitely concur what you guys about Bill Bulichick,
Speaker 1: you know, being a pretty solid coach, in which he is.
Speaker 1: But the more I look at these games, it just
Speaker 1: proves my point even more, like they just get somebody
Speaker 1: else to make the personal decisions, you know, as far
Speaker 1: as drafting, both dropping and free agency, because look at
Speaker 1: the team that I think it's just making a few
Speaker 1: changes here and there on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 1: like get certain players whatever that I think they can
Speaker 1: really compete. You know, I have a good side competing
Speaker 1: in the playoffs next year. I get it. Get some
Speaker 1: good players on both sides of the ball. I agree, yeah,
Speaker 1: that talented few. Let's let's go back to what that
Speaker 1: would undoubtedly do it. Let's go back to what the
Speaker 1: owner said in the off season about how Bill does
Speaker 1: things sometimes in an unorthodox way, you know, and that
Speaker 1: includes personnel. And we all agree that Bill has a
Speaker 1: great football mind and he's a great coach. He doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be unorthodox. That's the problem. Just you know,
Speaker 1: pick the best guy or you know, do the and
Speaker 1: like your great mind will be the advantage. You don't
Speaker 1: need to be unorthodox to create the advantage. In what
Speaker 1: way is he being unorthodox personnel? You know, deciding to
Speaker 1: make the off you know, Matt Patricia, the offensive cornate,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, any any decision that is, you know, like,
Speaker 1: that's weird. You know, he doesn't need to do that.
Speaker 1: His mind is what gives you the advantage. To me,
Speaker 1: that's the only weird one. Though. The other ones I
Speaker 1: think are just from a lack of planning or a
Speaker 1: lack of an ability to draft better. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that was I'm sorry. I can't I can't give him
Speaker 1: credit for being eccentric when I think it's just no,
Speaker 1: that's inept. Well a couple of inept draft and I
Speaker 1: think some of that is like that period where he,
Speaker 1: you know, decided I'm just gonna pick you know, from
Speaker 1: coaches I like in college or you know, that type
Speaker 1: of thing. I mean, I'm starting to get to the
Speaker 1: point where and I, you know, one hundred percent agree
Speaker 1: with the draft is a major problem. But I'm also
Speaker 1: wondering now lack of development. I mean, are we even
Speaker 1: sure that these drafts are as bad as we're saying.
Speaker 1: Our guys just not developing because they're not getting the
Speaker 1: developmental coaching that they're needing either, I mean, because you're
Speaker 1: seeing some guys look pretty good last year progressing now.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where it is. I
Speaker 1: just I think that's the heart of the matter. You
Speaker 1: didn't you don't draft, you don't have you know, you
Speaker 1: don't have that elite talent right now. Um, Oh, we
Speaker 1: haven't talked to Speed. Well, we didn't talk to him
Speaker 1: in the pregame. We're talking to him now though, postgame. Speed,
Speaker 1: what's up, buddy, Hey, that's going Yeah, Mike, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate your point about the development issue. You've hit that
Speaker 1: a couple of times this season. It'll be a fun
Speaker 1: off season topic. Don't know that's fun, but um that
Speaker 1: what is it? Two minutes to go and you're down
Speaker 1: by four and I think the Bengals had no timeouts.
Speaker 1: I understand, and they're often have been kind of sputtering
Speaker 1: in the second half, But I still thought to myself,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe just just let the Patriots into the end
Speaker 1: zone and then you'll drive it down. You'll be able
Speaker 1: to score them because you have a great quarterback. And
Speaker 1: at that moment, I was like, wait a minute, the
Speaker 1: Patriots have a very very well established bad red zone offense.
Speaker 1: Why would we can stop these guys? And then lo
Speaker 1: and behold, the Patriots found a way to stop themselves.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I guess My question with that is, like,
Speaker 1: to what extent were they hampered by the lack of
Speaker 1: a passing game in the red zone that they had
Speaker 1: to keep pounding the ball, had to keep running it.
Speaker 1: Do you guys agree with the way that they call
Speaker 1: those players on the ground in that last drive them Well,
Speaker 1: I think once they got the first down, okay, now
Speaker 1: all bets are off. You don't have to keep running,
Speaker 1: you know, but like get that first out, give yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, four plays. I just think they're still in
Speaker 1: their own head at this point, that they're just overthinking
Speaker 1: everything and swinging one way or swinging the other, and
Speaker 1: the results are just as disjointed as it feeds on itself.
Speaker 1: It's a it's an unsure of yourself, filmal coaching to
Speaker 1: the players. It's it really is. It's um you know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a cancer, but it's
Speaker 1: it festers. I mean, do you feel like it feeds
Speaker 1: into like the lack of an identity and lack of
Speaker 1: knowing who we are, lack of knowing like what we
Speaker 1: can do in a certain situation, believing in ourselves. I
Speaker 1: don't know who we are. We're gonna run what player?
Speaker 1: Are we running for? This? All right? Let's as you
Speaker 1: go to player, where's he been? All? You know? Like
Speaker 1: that's why I said it is not good show. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just it's just it's a sign of good
Speaker 1: as guys. I'm not saying this is like even if
Speaker 1: they're with a great offensive coordinator, all fights that, I
Speaker 1: don't know that they're a top ten offense in the league.
Speaker 1: But they're better than a better than an aptitude that
Speaker 1: they're showing, So m real quick before you do that.
Speaker 1: There was another pool report, so it wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: Patriots game without a pool reporter. Mike Reese talked to
Speaker 1: Craig Rolstead, who was the referee today. How much consideration
Speaker 1: was there a blowing the fumble play with New England
Speaker 1: running back from Marty Stevenson dead due to forward progress
Speaker 1: being stopped, so exactly the question that the four of
Speaker 1: us had. Yes, Roll said said, in order to have
Speaker 1: forward progress, the runner has to be controlled by the defense.
Speaker 1: He has to be held in controlled and basically have
Speaker 1: his feet taken away. We felt that he still had
Speaker 1: his feet, so we did not feel that he was
Speaker 1: held in controlled by the defense. He was still free
Speaker 1: to gain yardage. And then also obviously there was a
Speaker 1: chance that he could fumble. Yeah. See, I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't. I wasn't upset about that. I like the explanation.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like he had a checklist, and
Speaker 1: I think Fred just put it right. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think it rises to the level of being pissed off. No, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you I've seen guys sort of
Speaker 1: corralled like that and the whistle blows, Well, what is
Speaker 1: your definition of still has his feet because he was
Speaker 1: still moving, still moving. He watched the replay, He's still
Speaker 1: moving his feet, still trying to break tackles. So so
Speaker 1: he has to be lifted off the ground like you're
Speaker 1: controlled and you're no longer moving like I'll give you
Speaker 1: an example. On the same drive, Hold on one second.
Speaker 1: On the same drive, about four plays earlier, on first down,
Speaker 1: there was a play called and he was completely corralled,
Speaker 1: and Freddie, you'll know the player I'm talking about, because
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the pile moved forward like a
Speaker 1: like a yard and it went from like a five
Speaker 1: yard game to a six yard game or five yard
Speaker 1: game to a seven yard game because everybody just all
Speaker 1: of a sudden started moving him forward. He was clearly
Speaker 1: corralled and stopped. But if you blow the whistle, now
Speaker 1: you take away the yardage that he gets. That's why
Speaker 1: I think Freddy's saying, like, yeah, I'm not really pissed
Speaker 1: off that they didn't, like there was a slim chance
Speaker 1: he could have like broken free. But if he sports
Speaker 1: out the side, runs into the end zone, and they
Speaker 1: blow the whistle. Now you're pissed off that they they
Speaker 1: called it too early. I'm not that pissed about it.
Speaker 1: I just I think there is a time to say, look,
Speaker 1: he's being moved backwards here and there. If there are
Speaker 1: guys on either side of him that are helped move
Speaker 1: him backwards, is he really going to squirt loose? And
Speaker 1: the only reason why I say it is not because
Speaker 1: it hurt the Patriots today, is because I I think
Speaker 1: we look at these games every single week and say,
Speaker 1: that guy's gonna get killed. You know, if you're moving
Speaker 1: him backwards like that, that's my thought, that's where that's
Speaker 1: where these guys take colacious hits. And now you're asking
Speaker 1: them to take extra ones, why not even just and
Speaker 1: they're not in a position to defend themselves. It's like
Speaker 1: the defenseless receiver, but the running back he just get killed.
Speaker 1: And it's a different role for the quarterbacks. That's a
Speaker 1: quarterback man that they're gonna they're gonna blow that dead
Speaker 1: on a quarterback because the quarterback isn't fighting for yards.
Speaker 1: That's that's the difference. But I have seen that, I'm
Speaker 1: with Hardy, I have seen that play blown dead. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I've seen that play. I'll never forget the one in Carolina.
Speaker 1: It was the Kuki hold game. Yeah. Um, there was
Speaker 1: a play earlier that they they stopped the Patriots because
Speaker 1: of forward progress and I always living it was just
Speaker 1: a bad call and then he fumbled. No, oh James,
Speaker 1: he broke free and he ran. Thank you for your
Speaker 1: patience anyone. Paul was yelling at me, go ahead, get
Speaker 1: even a gentleman, thank you for having me again. Um.
Speaker 1: I think when I think about the Brady situation and
Speaker 1: Belichick and just the team as it current years now,
Speaker 1: I think historically with Bill Belichick, he has this there's
Speaker 1: no I in team decision making where I believe besides
Speaker 1: of money. Um, Blady, you know, to me, at least
Speaker 1: he left because I mean, he didn't have the personnel
Speaker 1: that could have been brought to New England. And you
Speaker 1: can see his frustration through the two Guys nineteen season.
Speaker 1: And I think furthermore, she doesn't really give those contracts
Speaker 1: out that certain guys want that may have earned them,
Speaker 1: and let walk out the door a bit earlier than they,
Speaker 1: you know, would have if he gave those contracts. And
Speaker 1: I think with the defense, what key people. Do you
Speaker 1: think that he could build off of, um, you know,
Speaker 1: in the future, with like a certain personnel that he
Speaker 1: already has, because I'm afraid that he may make some
Speaker 1: more disappointing decisions where he will just let guys go
Speaker 1: and you know, rather than just like, hey, maybe if
Speaker 1: you somebody already have, then you can build upon that one. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I hope they keep Myers, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's worth keeping. And but there's really not
Speaker 1: a lot of high end talent. I mean, I hope
Speaker 1: they keep Jude on, you know, but they need they
Speaker 1: need infusion of high end specifically. I think event the
Speaker 1: defense too. Cornerback Jonathan Jones is a free agent, and
Speaker 1: we're talking about how thin it is to have to
Speaker 1: have a five eight guy and Marcus Jones covering big guys.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones has done a lot for you as an
Speaker 1: outside corner this year. I mean, I don't think it
Speaker 1: would be as big a loss as like even losing
Speaker 1: JC Jackson last year. It was, But now if you
Speaker 1: lose Jackson and then you know, it was Gilmore and
Speaker 1: Jackson and now Jonathan Jones, Right, you gotta you have
Speaker 1: to stop the tiding at some point. I mean they
Speaker 1: were basically rolling three slot corners out there today. Like
Speaker 1: I just I think you need a legit. They were
Speaker 1: under man today outside cornerback. And I mean Jalen Mills.
Speaker 1: I actually like Jalen Mills generally. I just I don't
Speaker 1: think that he is a number one outside corner. I
Speaker 1: mean he's okay, he's a good tackler. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: played maybe as a safety, but they need at least
Speaker 1: one legit outside corner that can match up the Paul
Speaker 1: and Fred theory on you know, jumping ship millsy I have.
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Speaker 1: to be mercifully short. We begin with you Mitouh live
Speaker 1: from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy. I feel
Speaker 1: bad for Juice. I think he missed out on the
Speaker 1: CB craze culture generation Fred Paul and I'm Scanner. Well
Speaker 1: we all remember, like the CB craze. Everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody like I had a friend who had one. I
Speaker 1: didn't really get into it, but yeah, my dad had one.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. And uh, you know, you had to
Speaker 1: come up with your handle, you know, a cool name.
Speaker 1: It's different than just listening to the police. Was your handle, Hardy?
Speaker 1: No I did. I didn't never see dad. Hey, Rob,
Speaker 1: what would your what would your CB handle be? Friend? Uh?
Speaker 1: Boss man? No? J Were you did you have like
Speaker 1: the Were you a ham radio operator in your in
Speaker 1: your bedroom when you're a little kid. I can see
Speaker 1: yet doing that. No, I've got Hey, don't don't you
Speaker 1: worry about when I was operating in it's another kind
Speaker 1: of ham. Paul is operating. Thank you hand radio, hand radio,
Speaker 1: you know, public good jokes? How about the vikings are
Speaker 1: to the point of absurd. So what happened today? Sixty
Speaker 1: one yard field goal in the last play they won
Speaker 1: by three? Did they almost blow like what happened? No?
Speaker 1: I was like back and forth game all but that's
Speaker 1: just like they were eleven in ozh in one score games.
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose the first round of the playoffs. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm looking to see how he did on the on
Speaker 1: the picks today, we were all unders hardy, hardy, over
Speaker 1: under five, I mean five and one in the over under,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I was four and two though,
Speaker 1: so you didn't quite catch me. All right, All four
Speaker 1: teams from the NFC East, you're one and four have
Speaker 1: a chance to make the playoffs. That's something. Would that
Speaker 1: be your first yeah? Because of you would need the
Speaker 1: new the new wild card right playoff gami. How about
Speaker 1: your your Jacksonville Jaguars sneaking into the fourth seat here
Speaker 1: they are in first place now right, they have the
Speaker 1: tiebreaker currently because they beat Tennessee. They're six and four
Speaker 1: and cards, so that's gonna be the game. I think
Speaker 1: in week eighteen that they'll flex to the night game
Speaker 1: there because that's a winning get in game. H little
Speaker 1: worried does anybody heard anything about next? Next week's game
Speaker 1: has not been touched right, we're one o'clock. But I
Speaker 1: did see something that they could theoretically move it late.
Speaker 1: I think these games they have more time, maybe, Freddy.
Speaker 1: So it's week seventeen, and I know week eighteen they
Speaker 1: wait till after the seventeen slate is done. That's the
Speaker 1: only one. That's the only way. That's the only one.
Speaker 1: Freddie for ten days, because I know you're all the
Speaker 1: high levels. Next week we'll be back. Freddie's in all
Speaker 1: the high level meetings. Hard, we don't know how fun,
Speaker 1: just to just to know what's going on, be a
Speaker 1: league official. Not Then when the NFL guys come in
Speaker 1: and they say, you know something, Freddie gives them the
Speaker 1: what for. Well, yeah, no, you're not doing that. Only
Speaker 1: the most important people. And fred just gets up. He's like, hey, nobe,
Speaker 1: I don't even feel like anybody one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I heard that they were going to wear gray pants today,
Speaker 1: so they came out and blew. I texted somebody who
Speaker 1: would know. I said, I thought they were wearing grays.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, they made a decision two days ago
Speaker 1: not to do it. I actually I was. I was
Speaker 1: actually on that. Nobody told me, well, I saw. I
Speaker 1: saw a certain level higher up come around and say
Speaker 1: no more throwbacks, no more put gray pants. They should
Speaker 1: have was a great pants. That's why they lost. That's
Speaker 1: why Brandon and Atlanta. Before we hear from the head coach,
Speaker 1: what do you got for us? Brandon? Man man, Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's so close to not being
Speaker 1: sad Brandon today, but um, I just want to, like,
Speaker 1: I have an analogy of cook analogy, and then I
Speaker 1: have like just a short statement. So this game was
Speaker 1: like I don't know if any of y'all have ever
Speaker 1: played like a little cousin or a little brother in
Speaker 1: a video game and you're like, you know, you're about
Speaker 1: like fifty at the half. The next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm text on my phone and you know,
Speaker 1: go get something to eat him or let the computer.
Speaker 1: Actually we're in a couple of plays. The next thing
Speaker 1: you know, you look up, you're only up by like six,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, okay, well I gotta get
Speaker 1: serious again. And then of course, because he's only like
Speaker 1: five or six, he does something stupid and you still
Speaker 1: end up winning. But um, yeah, I would say that.
Speaker 1: The statement I have is like, um, I do think
Speaker 1: Delichick is, you know, a great coach and can turn
Speaker 1: this h franchise around. But I just hope, and I
Speaker 1: mean he doesn't have ten twenty fifteen years to go,
Speaker 1: but I just hope it doesn't take longer than or
Speaker 1: as long as that, because you know, we're spoilers Patriots fans,
Speaker 1: So it's like, we need to get some competence back
Speaker 1: in this offense, and we got to stop doing just
Speaker 1: stupid stuff with penalties and and you know, fumbles and
Speaker 1: and that later will play obviously will never happen again,
Speaker 1: but like that is something that would have never happened,
Speaker 1: you know in the early two thousands or even in
Speaker 1: the late you know, the early twenty history of two
Speaker 1: thousands of when we were you know, our second round.
Speaker 1: I'm just praying as a Patriots saying I love this team.
Speaker 1: I never waiver, but I just I need them to
Speaker 1: get competent sooner than later. I think that's an unfair ask. Brand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, we're like one of those tech guys
Speaker 1: in the Internet boom and you know our Brady bubble
Speaker 1: burst and now you know we touched. We knew what
Speaker 1: would is like to be rich, and now we want
Speaker 1: to get rich again. We're not pets dot Com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was thinking pets dot Com. Great minds due? How
Speaker 1: about that from pets dot Com? What am I missing?
Speaker 1: Went really well? Until it didn't go really until they
Speaker 1: realized that it costs a lot to ship fifty pound
Speaker 1: bags of dog? And you probably shouldn't spend a billion
Speaker 1: dollars in advertising before you've made a cent, right, because
Speaker 1: you shouldn't draft a guard in the first round. What
Speaker 1: are we talking about? What are you doing? Your best
Speaker 1: line every on this show? Speaking of great minds? Head
Speaker 1: coach Bill Belichick after the tents to the Bengals today
Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium, Here he is and just not don'tough
Speaker 1: so disappointed? Result? Bill? We saw in the second half
Speaker 1: the sort of impact that Kendrick Born can have when
Speaker 1: he's made the focal point of the passing game. Why
Speaker 1: have the opportunities for him to be such a regular
Speaker 1: target in the offense been so few and far between
Speaker 1: this year? Yeah, no particular reason. Hey, Bill, I'm just
Speaker 1: sort of curious what your impressions were of Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: first time you faced him. First time he's faced you.
Speaker 1: Was it any different from what you've seen on film?
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's the same on the Bengals one of
Speaker 1: their drives earlier, third and seventeen far from your sideline?
Speaker 1: Was there? How much consideration did you give to possibly
Speaker 1: challenging whether he came down and controlled the ball there?
Speaker 1: Didn't see anything that We'll give us a chance to
Speaker 1: do that. And I'm at the end of the first half.
Speaker 1: At the end of the first half, can you explain
Speaker 1: just sort of the sequence there where you had the
Speaker 1: quick pass and then took a time out and then
Speaker 1: kneeled from what was behind that thought process. Let's see
Speaker 1: what happened at the end of the sandwichter gain on
Speaker 1: that play and in the end, didn't feel like it
Speaker 1: was really so much we could do there. Hey Bill,
Speaker 1: you made adjustments in the second half. Defense played great. Um,
Speaker 1: what was a big change there in the second half,
Speaker 1: you know after giving up twenty two points? Yeah, no
Speaker 1: big change, same calls, hy bell Um. What have you
Speaker 1: seen from Marcus Jones and how he's progressed this season? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's talked about him a lot. He's done a good
Speaker 1: job for us. A little bit more each week and
Speaker 1: some play of defense over You're going right, Bill, You've
Speaker 1: repeatedly taken responsibility for the offense this season. When you
Speaker 1: don't cross midfield till the end of the third quarter,
Speaker 1: you get twelve points here today. How much of that
Speaker 1: is your responsibility? Your players were well positioned enough to
Speaker 1: win today. On the head coach, Bill, you said it
Speaker 1: was the same call as in the second half. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow had a great first half. He threw for
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty four yards and three touchdowns. So
Speaker 1: was the second half you guys slowing him down or
Speaker 1: was that the Bengals stopping themselves. I don't know. Call
Speaker 1: it whatever you want. I want to know what you
Speaker 1: call it. I'm gonna shot about in the second half
Speaker 1: to play a good defense. Call whatever you want. The left, Bill,
Speaker 1: what can you do? How do how do you make
Speaker 1: sure that the players stayed together these final two weeks
Speaker 1: of the season. Here do we've been doing? Coach? Had
Speaker 1: four straight runs there? Us you guys got in the
Speaker 1: red zone on the offensive final drive. Was running clock
Speaker 1: also a consideration there? Or just simply trying to score? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll trying to score and trying to control the clock,
Speaker 1: yet they used their time out, so you know, we're
Speaker 1: control of the clock and in the field position. You know,
Speaker 1: on the last was the first down play? What was
Speaker 1: the Bengals defense able to do to slow down your
Speaker 1: group for three quarters? And you couldn't convert up there
Speaker 1: down the first half, so that was that was the
Speaker 1: biggest problem. Yeah, all right, and there goes the head coach,
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Speaker 1: A little uh well, little testy back and forth a
Speaker 1: couple of times there, you guys only scored twelve points offensively?
Speaker 1: How much of that is on you? And his answer
Speaker 1: was the head coach all of it and just put
Speaker 1: it all on him. Also the the Chris Gasper exchange
Speaker 1: there with you know the different you feel, Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: know what you call it. What changed in the second half,
Speaker 1: you know with Burrow and was it you or things
Speaker 1: that the Bengals did to themselves. Call it whatever you want.
Speaker 1: I want to know what you call it. Call whatever
Speaker 1: you want, all right, Yeah, and you know we talked, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about, you know, the defense
Speaker 1: in the second half. And it's inarguable that they got
Speaker 1: shot out in the second half. The Bengals did. So
Speaker 1: you could say, well, the Patriots made some improvements in that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't give you the Patriots offense suddenly
Speaker 1: caught fire in the second half. I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: I know that they scored some points in the second half.
Speaker 1: Six of them were a picked six and six of
Speaker 1: them were a hail Mary. I mean, call it what
Speaker 1: it was. That's a hail Mary on third and whatever.
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty nine after the penaltif again,
Speaker 1: I can I can live with Fred, you know, saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, they shout them out in the second half.
Speaker 1: They had to do something right. I mean, I personally
Speaker 1: think the Bengals just dropped a bunch of passes and
Speaker 1: committed a bunch of penalties and started fumbling the ball.
Speaker 1: But shout out to shout out, like I can tell
Speaker 1: you that Joe Burrow only had one hundred yards in
Speaker 1: the second half after having two hundred and eighty in
Speaker 1: the first half. So I can say Patriots, but defense
Speaker 1: was in the second half. Yeah, I can't tell you
Speaker 1: the Patriots offense did anything better in the second half
Speaker 1: of the They would bad and bolt and that's the
Speaker 1: other bad. I would really push back on Paul Is
Speaker 1: because yeah, and I'm fine with that. You know, at
Speaker 1: the beginning, I don't think you even wanted to give
Speaker 1: them the defense much credit in the second half because
Speaker 1: I personally don't. But I understand. Yeah, I totally can
Speaker 1: understand the argument. Yeah, even the interception, which was a
Speaker 1: bad throw by Burrow, good call. It was a good
Speaker 1: play play call. They win zero blitz and they got
Speaker 1: Burrow on his back foot throwing it there. Give him
Speaker 1: credit for that. Absolutely, Okay, absolutely, all right, Now we
Speaker 1: step aside. Now we step aside again, and we'll get
Speaker 1: ready to hear from mac Jones here in a few minutes. Now, Again,
Speaker 1: if you're looking back on this game months from now
Speaker 1: or next year, and you kind of forget the particulars
Speaker 1: of it, this is another game, will you look at
Speaker 1: the numbers from mac Jones and say, oh, not too bad, right,
Speaker 1: what were his numbers? What wasn't an awful day? Of
Speaker 1: course they just went away. Amy here, I want to
Speaker 1: say it like two twenty two of thirty one, about
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty yards. Ye, two to thirty one,
Speaker 1: that's right, two twenty two okay, yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean statistically, the numbers would tell you he had
Speaker 1: a good touchdown. Tell you had two touch that's acceptable, right,
Speaker 1: the two john Again, if you take out forty eight yards,
Speaker 1: was his play acceptable today? No, it was not good.
Speaker 1: I said, But if you look at the numbers, and again,
Speaker 1: if you go strict, you know this column it says this,
Speaker 1: it is passer rating. I'm sure it was in triple figures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two forty and two touchdowns with no picks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean that that's one hundred plus passer rating. I bad.
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't have in front of
Speaker 1: it is one of five points. Yes, but I agree
Speaker 1: with Fred, I don't think it was very good. We'll
Speaker 1: hear from Mac Jones when we return on the Patriots
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Speaker 1: to the Bengals today at Ailed Stadium. Before we hear
Speaker 1: from Mac, We're gonna hear from George in Los Angeles, Hi, George, George, George.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the goodbye George, goodbye, George. It's
Speaker 1: another hearty call. You know what, a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to talk and they'll hold on for a long
Speaker 1: time and then eventually they fall asleep. D in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: what's up? D? How you guys doing good? So I
Speaker 1: got a question, do you guys think it's time to
Speaker 1: reramp the whole coaches, fans, the whole coaching staff. Well,
Speaker 1: if Bill goes, it will be revamped. But I don't
Speaker 1: think Bill's going so, but I do think on offense
Speaker 1: they need to make some changes. Absolutely, yes, I think
Speaker 1: they need to bring some people outside of who Bill
Speaker 1: knows because he don't want to bring nobody in because
Speaker 1: he wanted to be in control. So I guess him
Speaker 1: being stuck in it way, you just starting hurt the franchise.
Speaker 1: That's a theory. A lot of people agree with you.
Speaker 1: I love that theory. And Bill O'Brien. Oh, let's get
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien in here. No, no, no, no no, we
Speaker 1: need somebody differently, Thank you, thank you, d thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But at least Bill O'Brien will will stick up for himself,
Speaker 1: you know. Change. And Bill still think he's the smartest
Speaker 1: person in the room. Well he is, usually it ain't
Speaker 1: no more and that's what's starting to hurt him. So
Speaker 1: I think it's time to something different. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people agree with you. D uh and
Speaker 1: sorry about that turn your mic on. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny that there seems to be no
Speaker 1: in between with this. Yeah, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that feel like that that it's time, We'll just it's
Speaker 1: just time. And then there's other people that are like,
Speaker 1: how dare you even suggest it? There's no real in between,
Speaker 1: Like I don't really love the direction of the team,
Speaker 1: and I still think Bill could coach, but well he's
Speaker 1: not that. That's when when remember when Bill's you know,
Speaker 1: they asked him why he drafted rappol and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, with Tom's age and the you know, contracts contract,
Speaker 1: do you think the Crafts have a plan as we
Speaker 1: sit right now? Oh, with Bill to replace, I have
Speaker 1: to think they have a couple of guys in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just say Bill decided to leave, Like that's it,
Speaker 1: I'm done. Did you ever ask him when you're in
Speaker 1: your high level meetings? They wouldn't tell me. Sprought it
Speaker 1: up randomly, what the rob But I've been meaning to ask,
Speaker 1: what's the plan that the conversation I have like a
Speaker 1: couple of names in mind, They're not gonna I think
Speaker 1: in the preseason the conversation was part of the plan.
Speaker 1: Was Matt Patricia would take over the team. That's why,
Speaker 1: that's why you bring him, that's why you bring him
Speaker 1: back in this capacity. And Bill brought him back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean that's without telling ownership. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: didn't cost him any money, that's care being. It's a
Speaker 1: very common theory, and I know it's it's it's out there,
Speaker 1: and I know somebody really strongly at your station believes
Speaker 1: in that. I don't. I don't buy it either. I
Speaker 1: don't buy it. I look, I don't buy it either.
Speaker 1: And even if there was an inkling that that could
Speaker 1: take place. I don't want Matt Patricia anywhere near this
Speaker 1: team next year. I don't want himself. I don't want
Speaker 1: him in the Earnie, I don't. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's in the right position. He's not. He's not an
Speaker 1: offensive and you would have to convince me what position
Speaker 1: is right for him. How about the yes, the Mike
Speaker 1: might do so up in the not seen he was
Speaker 1: doing that on the mind last year, two years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how'd that work out for you? Was last year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Last year? Yeah, I don't know. I didn't care it.
Speaker 1: We didn't have to hear, did you not see any
Speaker 1: of the games last year. I can recap them for you.
Speaker 1: They looked good against a bunch of average talent and
Speaker 1: when it came. But is that because you didn't have
Speaker 1: the right communication coming down like just to win, to
Speaker 1: like call time out or something like here, I don't
Speaker 1: want him on offense, I don't want him back on defense.
Speaker 1: Might just do the why am I? Why am I
Speaker 1: mean for calling out? Look, he was part of a
Speaker 1: great run here and and we thought Matt was, you know,
Speaker 1: doing a great job defensively. And then when Brian Flores
Speaker 1: took over, the defense actually looked better. Matt had a
Speaker 1: chance to run his own team at Detroit and it
Speaker 1: was a total failure. Oh okay, comes back back here
Speaker 1: with you know, to run the offensive line and to
Speaker 1: run the offense, and it's a it's a complete disaster.
Speaker 1: Over the last eight years, what year did the offense
Speaker 1: look the best? I mean, the defense looked the best.
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen, No fourteen, when they had reeves to me,
Speaker 1: you asked me a question. I gave you the talent. Okay,
Speaker 1: they had talent in twenty fourteen. The best and that's
Speaker 1: the best defense played was eighteen. You've you've you're contradicting yourself, Paul,
Speaker 1: because you told you you've no, I'm not yes. Because
Speaker 1: you said eighteen didn't give up forty one to Kansas City.
Speaker 1: You said all of a sudden, Yeah, you said all
Speaker 1: of a sudden. The only game they played well was
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. You said they stunk leading up.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that that was the only game the
Speaker 1: defense played well. I said, the offense carried you to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl except for the Super except the actual
Speaker 1: game because of the defense. Wasn't that good? You said?
Speaker 1: You said that that is so hypocritical, said, that's not
Speaker 1: what I said. That often when they people say that
Speaker 1: they won they won the Super Bowl last time because
Speaker 1: the defense, And I said, that's not true. You said
Speaker 1: their offense was phenomenal in the playoffs except for the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I didn't say anything bad about what the
Speaker 1: defense did in the Super Bowl that year, but the
Speaker 1: defense was that that was the best year of deep
Speaker 1: point is that, Matt, everybody thinks that Mapatris was this
Speaker 1: terrible defensive coach. You know, wasn't That's like you? I
Speaker 1: see I hear that all the time. You make fun
Speaker 1: of me for coming up with the strong and the
Speaker 1: straw Man arguments. That's the ultimate straw man argument. Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? I hear it over and he stunk
Speaker 1: on defense. He can't do anything. I think he replacement
Speaker 1: was better than him. That doesn't mean he stuck. And
Speaker 1: I think he gets too much credit for the defense,
Speaker 1: sometimes from himself responsible for Super Bowl history Tree, when
Speaker 1: if there's any argument that prevails, it's not that Patricia
Speaker 1: Patricia stunk on defense, is that it's Bill's defense that's right,
Speaker 1: and whoever's he's just doing what Bills. So what do
Speaker 1: you want to bring him back doing anything? For? What
Speaker 1: has he proven that he can do on his own?
Speaker 1: Forgetting the Lions hate here? What is he proven that
Speaker 1: he can do on his own? Just piling on what
Speaker 1: you're saying that, like you know, I know Cookie, you're
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, the teams that were interested in
Speaker 1: him as a head coach was simply because he came
Speaker 1: from Bill's tree. Well, that I actually agree with. I mean,
Speaker 1: what did Eric Mangini do? I think he actually was.
Speaker 1: I think he gets drummed out of the lead, but
Speaker 1: I think he was actually a pretty good coach. Eric Mangini,
Speaker 1: do you want Bill O'Brien to come back. I mean
Speaker 1: Eric Mangini, he got like a job out of here
Speaker 1: as like the safety's coach, like and then they made
Speaker 1: him like a coordinator for a year. Embody was going
Speaker 1: to leave to be the raiders of a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: We blocked him. Yeah, like that's just because you're with
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Sorry, do you want Bill O'Brien to come back?
Speaker 1: If if if that, if my choice is him or
Speaker 1: Patricia again, I want Bill O'Brien. So what do you want?
Speaker 1: And don't you don't have to say like a name, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's not that's not our job. I want an
Speaker 1: infusion the talent in the offensive coaching. Yeah, So you
Speaker 1: want somebody knew from the outside, that's got a fresh perspective,
Speaker 1: somebody who can get the best out of talent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want somebody else. But you don't think that's Bill O'Brien. No,
Speaker 1: it could be, like I said, if it was between
Speaker 1: him and Patricia, I want Bill O'Brien. I want somebody else.
Speaker 1: And and I hear what d was saying. You know,
Speaker 1: he's afraid that someone's gonna come in and they're just
Speaker 1: gonna be a yes man. I don't think Bill O'Brien
Speaker 1: would be I think he talks back. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much you talked back to Bill though he talked
Speaker 1: back to Brady. That's Mack. Yeah. Oh god, that that
Speaker 1: could be very quickly, Will. And then we'll get to
Speaker 1: mac Jones Will in Hawaii? What's up? Will? Oh? How
Speaker 1: you guys doing? You took my call? Yeah? Are you
Speaker 1: on the beach? Are you on the beach? Will? I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm asking in my backyard? Are you hanging ten again?
Speaker 1: Are you hanging ten? It's Christmas? Eve? Can we can?
Speaker 1: We even let him get his point out and then
Speaker 1: we can all go home. Now, here's the thing, guys
Speaker 1: made my call at the first time because since we're
Speaker 1: all discussing what we want, okay, yeah, I want day
Speaker 1: leaves appy, all right. So that's point number one. The
Speaker 1: second point is you guys already kind of hit on it. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't want mac Jones's numbers to confuse people out there.
Speaker 1: I don't because there was kind of a slighter hand
Speaker 1: in this game. Yeah, we're not going to we just
Speaker 1: talked about that. Well, that won't happen. And thank you guys,
Speaker 1: because I yeah, I heard that, And the second thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to say is, Um, as much as I
Speaker 1: want Bailey's Appy to play, I did not want him
Speaker 1: to come in at the half, even as bad as
Speaker 1: Mac Jones look, because um, yeah, I don't want Bailey's
Speaker 1: Appy to have, you know, the floppy. Second, I want
Speaker 1: him to start. I want him to get a full
Speaker 1: week with the starters, because when he's done that this year,
Speaker 1: it's the only and I repeat, the only time I
Speaker 1: felt good about this team all year is when Bailey's
Speaker 1: Appy started. It's farewell, It's fair enough. And if you
Speaker 1: want to extrapolate that, one week isn't even enough. Zoe's
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot of you need three weeks.
Speaker 1: You need three weeks to you know, kind of get
Speaker 1: into that rhythm and do a week's worth of prep
Speaker 1: and then kind of go back on what you did
Speaker 1: wrong in that week and kind of do it again
Speaker 1: three weeks. So it's done for it's done for this season. Um,
Speaker 1: don't even look at him. We're not we want you.
Speaker 1: We want to talk about Bailey. Is that instead, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna we're gonna talk about Mac Jones. And
Speaker 1: here from Mac Jones right now, Mac. With about six
Speaker 1: and a half minutes to go in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: the team had a total of about seventy yards total offense.
Speaker 1: Obviously you finished with two eighty five, which means a
Speaker 1: lot of offense in the last eighteen twenty minutes or
Speaker 1: so of the game. What clicked? Was it different play calling,
Speaker 1: personnel groupings, but what clicked in your eyes? Yeah, I think, Um,
Speaker 1: obviously tough loss for us here. Um, definitely things I
Speaker 1: want to do better and just gotta keep working. Gotta
Speaker 1: watch the film and keep working together. I think we
Speaker 1: didn't quit. Um, we fought hard and at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, Um, we gotta score more points and
Speaker 1: we got we got the ball moving a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I just want to capitalize and score more points.
Speaker 1: So falls on me as a quarterback and super disappointing,
Speaker 1: but also a lot to look back on and realize
Speaker 1: that we have fighters on this team. Um, And that's
Speaker 1: tough to say in a loss, but we do. We
Speaker 1: have fighters on this team. I thought everybody on our
Speaker 1: offense and defense and special teams fought to the end
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, Mac, just your interpretation or what led
Speaker 1: to you at the unsportsmail a penalty on you at
Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, I think, Um, obviously there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a you know pile there and then the
Speaker 1: ball scored it out actually into another pile. So I
Speaker 1: went over there and try to grab the ball at
Speaker 1: a you know, save the game. So at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you gotta take your chance and try
Speaker 1: and get the ball. And you got to compete for
Speaker 1: the ball because it's a live ball until somebody holds
Speaker 1: it up in the ear, So you gotta go get it.
Speaker 1: And that's what I tried to do. And yeah, and Mac,
Speaker 1: we saw the impact that Kendrick had when he was
Speaker 1: a focal point of the offense. Why do you think
Speaker 1: those opportunities where he's been getting the ball consistently in
Speaker 1: big situations like that have come so few and far between,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to throwne downfield. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: KB is just a he's a great teammate and he's
Speaker 1: one of my closest friends. Every time I've seen him,
Speaker 1: he's had a smile on his even in a situation
Speaker 1: like that, you know, at the end of the game
Speaker 1: where we're trying to fight back and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure, he's in there kind of smiling, like, let's
Speaker 1: go do this. You know. So when you see that
Speaker 1: from a guy and you know I'm saying the same
Speaker 1: stuff in the huddle, you know, I want to look
Speaker 1: for a guy like that who wants to compete and
Speaker 1: play and play with effort. So thought, he's one of
Speaker 1: those guys. And we have all those guys. The receivers
Speaker 1: did a great job. Obviously had some tight end injuries,
Speaker 1: and I hope those guys are okay. And the running
Speaker 1: backs competed, and Scottie went in there obviously did a
Speaker 1: great job. That's a tough situation as a guy who
Speaker 1: hasn't played all year jumps in there. So I thought
Speaker 1: the old line did good and just super disappointed and
Speaker 1: kind of watch it. You gotta watch the tape and
Speaker 1: grade yourself as an individual and then grade yourself as
Speaker 1: an offense and as a team. So we're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: I think we just kind of move on from it. Mac.
Speaker 1: When you've had a lot of crazy finishes this year
Speaker 1: as a team, when you look at this one, three
Speaker 1: time outs in the red zone, chance to score, obviously
Speaker 1: it's frustrating, but when you look back on it, it
Speaker 1: must be hard to believe you guys didn't punch it
Speaker 1: in there, right, Yeah, I think Um, first of all,
Speaker 1: no one probably believed that we would come back from
Speaker 1: twenty two points, but we fought and we're right there
Speaker 1: right you score, and it's a totally different game. So
Speaker 1: it's a tough situation. Just gotta execute better, falls on
Speaker 1: me and do things better then when we get the
Speaker 1: ball back, just at that point, you gotta have better execution,
Speaker 1: you know, got to know where to go, got to
Speaker 1: know where to throw it in that situation, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of time. So just the same same thing.
Speaker 1: Just got to learn from it and be better at
Speaker 1: situational stuff. And starts with me, Hi mac Um, how
Speaker 1: do you feel Marcus Jones has been a spark for
Speaker 1: you guys on all sides of the ball. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just ridiculous, great player, great teammate, explosive, lines up,
Speaker 1: runs full speed on offense, lines up, goes full speed
Speaker 1: on defense, same thing on special teams. So um, love
Speaker 1: the guy. You know, bummed when you have a great
Speaker 1: performance like that, we can't pull out the win. So
Speaker 1: he's a great, great person, great player, and um, we
Speaker 1: got a lot of good dudes. Like that on our team.
Speaker 1: So it's tough when you lose, but falls on me
Speaker 1: as a quarterback and got to do things better. So
Speaker 1: I know you're running and rolling out there. Did you
Speaker 1: actually see the tip on the Jacoby Wires touchdown? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a great play, So it was. It was
Speaker 1: good to see. That's an example of competing, right, Scottie
Speaker 1: jumps up there, tries to make a play, then Jacobe's
Speaker 1: right there waiting for it. So and the offensive line
Speaker 1: on that play when you watch it, did a great
Speaker 1: job of just competing. Right. I rolled this way, I
Speaker 1: rolled that way. They're throwing blocks left and right, So
Speaker 1: I love that for those guys. And at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, just came up short and other situations
Speaker 1: and got to get off to a faster start and
Speaker 1: and maybe the game's a little bit different. So definitely disappointing.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, Mac, it looked like you guys are
Speaker 1: rolling with a lot of tip personnel. Initially, Hunter obviously
Speaker 1: goes down. Did his injury almost kind of put you
Speaker 1: in a pickle there, knowing that might have been a
Speaker 1: big part of the game plan. Yeah, I think Hunter
Speaker 1: is one of our best players. Same with John U
Speaker 1: and UM. When they're on the field together, it puts
Speaker 1: matchup issues on the defense and UM once again, Scottie
Speaker 1: steps in there, hasn't played all year, probably didn't expect
Speaker 1: to be in that situation, but he planed for it
Speaker 1: and did the best he could. So UM, just proud
Speaker 1: of those guys. It shows you that that group is
Speaker 1: really well coached and and all of our guys are.
Speaker 1: So we just gotta do better and execute the plays
Speaker 1: better and all that stuff. Back on the on the
Speaker 1: forty eight yard touchdown pass, Just how much pride do
Speaker 1: you put, you know, in yourself to Hello, Hello, there
Speaker 1: we go. We're getting into We're getting into the weeds
Speaker 1: now of the how well some of these players are coached.
Speaker 1: And I can only take so much of that. Wow, heart,
Speaker 1: he's had enough. Well, come on, it shows yea how
Speaker 1: well coached they are. I have I have a question
Speaker 1: that's brought up twice on the emails here that I
Speaker 1: want to ask you when we return about a player
Speaker 1: You're actually going to read an email I'm getting, Wow, hurtful?
Speaker 1: He gets Christmas Eve, my Fred. You can't do that?
Speaker 1: Why not? He's not like you? He doesn't let a
Speaker 1: role offa that he has a fin skin. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a very The show's done. Radio personality drops his pen
Speaker 1: from him. He's on double Tama flu too, Come on
Speaker 1: true playing hurt I had? That's fine. I had the
Speaker 1: flu for six hours last night. Is the strangest flu
Speaker 1: I've ever had six hours. I'll tell you the story
Speaker 1: during the break, but then I will ask a question
Speaker 1: that's been brought up a couple of times on email
Speaker 1: about a player that needs to be benched according to
Speaker 1: a couple of emailers here not named Mac Jones. That
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Speaker 1: Patriots dot com. You still believe in Santa Claus, don't you?
Speaker 1: Mike believe in culture? You still believe in the right
Speaker 1: fifty three? If you're a good kid, it's the right one.
Speaker 1: Live from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy, all right,
Speaker 1: we got Craig in New Jersey. We've got another one
Speaker 1: from Tommy here, and then we finally have uh this,
Speaker 1: Oh it's Craig and Hoboken who said, look this is
Speaker 1: a second Fireabowl offense for Romandre Stevenson. It was the
Speaker 1: fumble last week, it was the lateral last week, and
Speaker 1: then we have an emailer saying, look up until today,
Speaker 1: I would have said, get rid of everybody on this
Speaker 1: team that you want to keep Marcus Jones because he's
Speaker 1: fine and Romandre Stevenson. Now, I can't make a case
Speaker 1: for Romandre Stevenson. How bad have these last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks been for Romandre? He's under the radar right now.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's getting overshadowed. But I mean I,
Speaker 1: like I said at the top, I think they're key,
Speaker 1: key plays, game deciding plays. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing it doesn't inspire trusting you. Chad Forward.
Speaker 1: It was Chad in Atlanta who said I would have
Speaker 1: said Stevenson, but now I don't know. You know, he's
Speaker 1: just done so much. I mean without him, where would
Speaker 1: we be as bad as it is? Probably seven and eight? No,
Speaker 1: he's I can't that, Paul, you know, let me have
Speaker 1: my put so much of the load on him, it's
Speaker 1: it's yeah, No, I didn't think that's why people are
Speaker 1: hesitant to kill him. Um, I mean didn't really get
Speaker 1: killed last week either, But I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: haven't been on Twitter, but I did think he flew
Speaker 1: under the radar last week for starting the tom food.
Speaker 1: He started it all. This to me, I don't put
Speaker 1: at the level of last week. Last week was stupid.
Speaker 1: This is a fumble like it happens, it's it can't happen,
Speaker 1: and that you know, put him at the top of
Speaker 1: the bad list. He cost you a chance to steal
Speaker 1: a game. But I mean, is that a symptom of
Speaker 1: we need to get rid of this guy, no symptom
Speaker 1: of the whole team. I think that's a little strong.
Speaker 1: It is, okay, final thoughts on the game, and also
Speaker 1: final thoughts on the year. The next time we meet
Speaker 1: up it will be twenty twenty three, So use this
Speaker 1: as an opportunity for your year end thoughts, Mike, do so,
Speaker 1: would you please begin? I will just because I feel
Speaker 1: like we saw a terrible loss in twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: against the Bills and the playoffs, and as I said
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, this has just felt
Speaker 1: the season has felt like a continuation of this into
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Two games left a team two teams
Speaker 1: that have owned the Patriots over the last two years
Speaker 1: plus m So you know, one hand, I'm glad that,
Speaker 1: like just it's this is who this team is. But
Speaker 1: they're gonna be out of the playoffs. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: major changes needing on offense, and we'll see. I don't
Speaker 1: know what can happen in these last two games, what
Speaker 1: kind of fight they're gonna show, but two teams that
Speaker 1: are gonna need wins, that know how to beat them. Um,
Speaker 1: it could, it could get worse, you know. Unfortunately, Yeah
Speaker 1: I could. Fred, Yeah, I mean everything that Duke said.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be major changes to the offense in the
Speaker 1: off season. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like, if you were
Speaker 1: going to pull off an upset today, your offense was
Speaker 1: going to have to play in a way that they
Speaker 1: hadn't really shown all year. And they didn't. And Fred's right,
Speaker 1: you need you need changes, and in some ways I
Speaker 1: think they needed changes no matter what. So I didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to see it all of a sudden click
Speaker 1: these last three weeks and possibly lead to Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: say and see, I told you just stay the course.
Speaker 1: It was getting there. I knew this was going to happen. No,
Speaker 1: they have. They have fundamental problems. Their offense is broke.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at it's just look around the NFL.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams and I'm looking at run
Speaker 1: right now. The Commanders. Heineke is not a great quarterback,
Speaker 1: but they're scoring points. They're competitive, they're finding ways to
Speaker 1: I mean, they do have an outstanding defense, but they're
Speaker 1: finding ways to stay in game. Yeah, there's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a gamer. There's a lot of teams that don't
Speaker 1: have great quarterbacks. But in the NFL you can have
Speaker 1: you can score points, you can pass like a normal
Speaker 1: NFL team. We're just not there. I know it was
Speaker 1: for the majority of that game. You didn't get past
Speaker 1: the fifteen. I mean, the Bengals are a good team.
Speaker 1: They have a pretty good defense, but it's not a
Speaker 1: great defense. And we could we could barely muster twelve points,
Speaker 1: and and six of them were like a hail Mary
Speaker 1: tip play, you know, so like really six real puss
Speaker 1: six points again on offense. I mean, that's not that's
Speaker 1: not acceptable. I don't care who your quarterback is. It's
Speaker 1: not acceptable. You're getting me all upset now, and right
Speaker 1: had all this time to prepare for another big game.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just and they don't even fool you.
Speaker 1: They don't even come out and like, hey, they scripted
Speaker 1: a drive well right out of the gate, and like
Speaker 1: it doesn't even get to that point. They come out,
Speaker 1: they look like crap, And I'm not gonna take it anymore.
Speaker 1: There is one player on the team who has more
Speaker 1: touchdowns than Marcus Jones. That sentence, it's acceptable. Stevens defence
Speaker 1: has as many or close to as many touchdowns as
Speaker 1: Mac Jones has throwing touchdowns. Defense I think has six touchdowns.
Speaker 1: But Stevenson has six touchdowns on the season and Mac
Speaker 1: and Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones has three the defensive guys.
Speaker 1: It's not acceptable. And and I'm hoping that when it's
Speaker 1: all said and done, Myers had one today, So Myers
Speaker 1: has four when it's all said and done. And Robert
Speaker 1: has his end of season meeting with Bill, Bill says
Speaker 1: those words, this was not acceptable. And then my next question,
Speaker 1: if I'm Robert, is okay, we agree, what are you
Speaker 1: going to do about it? And Uh, that's not quite
Speaker 1: where we will begin when we meet up again on
Speaker 1: the first of January. But it's something to start to
Speaker 1: look forward to is The next time we meet up
Speaker 1: at will be twenty twenty three, and it would be
Speaker 1: week seventeen from tomorrow. We'll see what the Patriots can
Speaker 1: come up with here for their final two games of
Speaker 1: this season. Thank you everybody involved in the show today,
Speaker 1: Mary Christmas, everyone a happy holidays. Your final score for
Speaker 1: the final time Patriots eighteen Thank Hels twenty two. That's
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