WEBVTT - Patriots Postgame Show 12/24: Comeback Falls Short, Year End Thoughts 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.200 This is the Patriots postgame Show presented by Cyber Reasons. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.200 Brandy dropped back of the playfing He's pressure, he's running up, 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:14.040 He's shacked ud. How's another for the Patriots back in 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.440 the twenty eighth turn that man loose? The Patriots Postgame 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.279 Show presented by Cyber Reason with Hardy, Mike Deso Paul 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.480 Perillo is your source for all the news and information 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.560 following every Patriots game. Drop the staff to Mac Johns 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.480 fires to be John caught at the call Lin, HiT's 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.760 a touchdown Hunter Henry as the Patriots at to their lead. 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.240 Join the conversation by calling the Aceticket hotline at eight 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.360 five five PATS five hundred, or email this show at 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.480 web radio at Patriots dot com. I hope y'all keep 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:49.599 that same energy for tonight, Babe. Can't wait by from 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.880 our studios inside you Lette Stadium. Here's Hardy slipping and sliding. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.040 He was like a captain. Pop pop bang. Now the 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:02.480 Patriots lose an exciting game that was not exciting for 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.680 much of it. Welcome into the Patriots postgame Show presented 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.800 by Cyber Reason. The Patriots outscored twenty two to nothing 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.360 in the first half. And then hold the Bengals scoreless. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.559 In the second half, they put eighteen on the board 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.520 and were just yards away from the go ahead touchdown 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.080 when a Romandrea Stevenson fumble turned the ball over and 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:27.720 your final twenty two eighteen. As the Patriots fall below 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.520 five hundred. They are now at seven and eight on 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.240 the season. Welcome into the Patriots postgame show eight five 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.160 five Pats five hundred web radio at Patriots dot com. 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.399 If you'd like to email the show. You could make 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:45.680 the argument that the Patriots off and still for the 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.360 most part, did not show up and that a couple 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.960 of those touchdowns, one in particular, was the result of 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.840 a desperation heave toward the end zone and the deflection. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:58.720 But the fact is the Patriots, seemingly out of this 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.440 game at halftime when it was twenty two to nothing, 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.720 came back, made it a game and showed something. And 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:07.760 I said in the pre game, I said, you know, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.320 that kind of showed me something. And whether it was 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.079 what I saw last week or just something within the 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:18.200 makeup of this team, certainly defensively they still have enough 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.600 to hold good teams in check and give your team 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.080 a chance if something can be sparked offensively had the 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.160 Patriots offense been able to do anything in the first half. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.239 This is a ball game. This is a ball game 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.880 that either goes to overtime or the Patriots have a 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.040 chance of taking the lead in But a twenty two 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.160 nothing deficit against a team as good as the Bengals 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.440 just proved to be too much for them to climb 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.400 out of. And that's what we're left with here is 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.760 a twenty two eighteen loss at home on this Christmas 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.760 Eve game at Gillette Stadium. Paul Parolo and Mike Deso 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.320 will be joining this year shortly. We'll get to the 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.240 coach and quarterback here a little bit later, but I 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.280 imagine you'll have a lot to say about this. So 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.720 eight five five Pats five hundred Web Radio at Patriots 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.960 dot Com will wait for Paul and Deuced to get 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.040 here before we get to our keys to the game, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.720 or excuse me, are good the path and he injured. 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.320 Keys to the game would really be more of a 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.359 pregame type of thing, but keys to the game were 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.440 to essentially from three of the four of us were 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.359 to get to Burrow and pressure him early that that 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.120 didn't really happen in the first half. The Bengals were 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.480 able to move the ball pretty effectively in the first half, 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.800 and the you know, the blitzing and the pressuring of 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.640 a burrow, it wasn't enough to put them in a 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:42.080 position where they felt uncomfortable. Now, Matthew Jude on the 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.800 way he was celebrating, he knew would think that they 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.080 were certainly holding them in check. But twenty two points 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.800 on a day when your offense, you know, doesn't give 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:55.320 you anything through the first twenty four minutes of the 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.960 first thirty minutes, I should say of the game, isn't 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.280 quite enough. Second half different story, and holding that Bengals 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.280 team scoreless in the second half, I think you have 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.240 to give the defense a lot of credit and any 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.880 optimism you may have had about this team going in 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.440 started with the defense, and they certainly gave you a 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.160 chance in the second half of that football game. Mike, 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.279 just so, Paul Parola joining us Now an exciting game, guys, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.400 exciting finish? Who was I'm still trying to wrap my 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.400 head around turned up? Exciting We're going down? The other day, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.680 I'm like, did reminder Steves it just fumble the game 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.359 winning touchdown? Away on that last place I was, I 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.720 was suggesting that the Bengals should let him score. Well, 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:38.640 let me tell you something. Once the Bengals challenged the 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.159 spot of what would have been a first that's not 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.400 a challenge. That's a booth challenge, both a booth review 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.320 in the last two minutes, think I thought that I 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.479 thought the Bengals were screwed. Well when that when that 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.559 play went against him, like they moved the ball back, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.760 that gave them another play to get a first down, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.880 took the time out. Like I said, this is it. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.640 They're gonna score, There's not gonna be any time left. 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.760 I thought that totally worked at the pa 's ad manage. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.360 Except it didn't because I think the Patriot well, no, no, no, no, right, 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.800 but no, But here's why. As as they put themselves 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.800 in that third and very short situation, the Patriots seemingly 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.440 called plays number one to pick up a first down, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.800 which they did. But I'm thinking, what, why treat this 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.400 like you need a first down, you need a touchdown? 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.760 Why to take a shot at the end zone here, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.839 want to try and find Kendrick Bourne again? Why instead, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.280 Stevens that's a very fair second guess, Well, that's it's 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.440 not it's it was a first guest, not in the moment. No, No, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.000 that's what I'm saying, like you're saying. I questioned the strategy. Yeah, 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.560 I think that's a very logical way of looking at it. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.320 And when I kept the pedal in the medal and 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.120 said we're going to score right, oh godless, oh god, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.280 Now we need a first down. Okay, well let's give 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:47.960 it to Ramandre and run him up the middle for 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.800 a half a yard game. So what I don't care 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.240 about first in goal? You have to go ahead and 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.200 take a shot at the end zone, even on third 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.640 and inches. What are we doing? You're you're lucky to 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.640 be only down for at this point, and I think 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.360 you would have a caught them off guard and be 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.080 you would have been playing to what very little strengths 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.159 you have on offense right now, which is some kind 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.880 of desperation heaves either towards the sideline or the end zone. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.760 That's all they had. They said, guess what that. I 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.679 don't mean to sound negative. They still don't have an offense. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.840 I don't care what we should we saw out there, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.320 they still don't have an offense. I know we're gonna 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.719 get into good, bad and the injured, and I know 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.560 there's gonna be a lot of talk about all the 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:35.360 different things. This was like exciting as all hell. Yes, okay, 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.360 I would be able to get a little bit more 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.840 excited if I thought the Patriots did anything to really 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.919 create the excitement. I think the Bengals and I know 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.400 people are gonna and I'm listen, I'm prepared for it 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.120 for the whole postgame show. I know you guys are 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.240 gonna make fun of me, not just you two, but 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:55.960 the listeners if we have any on Christmas Eve. I 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:00.640 just the Bengals like just completely did everything that they 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.920 could over the span of the last twenty minutes of 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.440 that game to just hand it to you. Yes, like 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.320 it's nothing like I'll give the Patriots credit for you know, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.840 it's it's third down the Bengals. It's twenty two to nothing. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.560 The Bengals easily convert the first down, there's a hold, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.160 makes a third and one third and eleven, and then 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.560 they emptied the barrel and they gave a like a 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.600 zero blitz and Burrow just threw it without looking off 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.080 his back foot, and Marcus Jones makes the pick like 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.160 if that play doesn't happen. You lose that game thirty 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.160 five to nothing, Like you never stopped the Bengals the 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.000 whole game, Like I know that they didn't get any 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:37.960 points in the second half. That was all the Bengals fault. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.080 Like all the Bengals fault. Like you miss a field goal, 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.480 you drop a touchdown, you don't get a third and inches, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.360 you punt on fourth and inches and get a delayed game, 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.920 Like I would be more excited about the comeback if 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:52.880 I thought the Patriots had something to do with the comeback, 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.360 You know what I mean? Yes, I mean, I hear 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:55.680 what you're saying, Paul, and I don't even need to 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.440 kill Cincinnati's offense. I just I'll just kill the Patriots offense. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:07:59.720 I mean what they got was like, I mean, what 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:04.000 a reflected thirty That's what I'm saying. The Bengals like 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.760 they were the Bungles and you still let them win. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.480 They were the old time Bungles today and you still 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.880 let them win. I mean, the way that came out 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.400 on both sides of the ball, it just seemed like 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.760 a carryover from how last game ended. And I just 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.600 I can't quite wrap my head around that. They would 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.680 blow a second game with Remandre Stevenson again directly involved 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.920 in the closing minutes when they you know, snatched defeat 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.200 from the jaws of Victoria. So why don't we Why 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.480 don't we get to that before we continue? Right, why 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.079 don't we get to good bed? Sure? Yeah, before before 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.199 before we get to the third down call, which was 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.640 supposed to be a screen to Remandre and I said, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.760 oh my god, it's the same position on the field. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.680 They're good, it's the same thing about to happen. Thank goodness, 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.600 he just dropped the past this time. We didn't have 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.719 to watch that on the fold. All right, here we go. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:09:02.679 Now it's time for the good, the bad, and the injured. Ah, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.199 you are right, guy, Good, the bad, me injured brought 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.040 to you buy the good players, bad players, and the 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.520 injured players in the twenty two eighteen lost to the 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.520 Bengals at Gillette Stadium. Today, Deuce, who's your first? Good? Um? 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.280 I think there's been a lot of qualifiers on a 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:17.880 lot of these, but I'm gonna I'm gonna put Kendrick 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.679 Bourne on there. I mean, made one hundred yards, but 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.560 I mean it's just you know, instrumental in the comeback, 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.920 got the first third down conversion of the game. When 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:26.760 I mean it took him until like the third quarter 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.280 to get a third down conversion. Uh, caught that thirty 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.560 two yard er um, you know, so that was a 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.440 big one, setting up the first TD of the game. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.839 So you know, I think he had a twenty nine 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.760 yard run. Yeah, he had a nice a nice a 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.520 nice game. Not a lot to write home about offensively, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.680 but he was one piece, six six hatches hundred yards. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.480 So so nice day for him. I absolutely had him 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.960 on my list of goods. And he you know, he 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.319 made some because some of the plays he made were 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.720 not easy, Like there was some difficult catches that he 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.520 made correct, contorting his body getting in bounds on the 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.040 one on the sideline, the Bengals challenge the one, and 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.360 even in the end zone, like he was pretty well 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.480 covered in the end zone and salt. Yeah, I think 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.319 Kendrick Boone was one of the very few. But I 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:08.880 don't have a lot of goods today. I don't have 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.400 a lot of time. That neither do I. I just 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.120 say too sorry, but he's one that I had. I 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.760 agree with you. I just say, this game is it's 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.080 just frustrating because I think you just see that. It's 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.280 just an example today of this guy's a more talented 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.800 receiver than whatever he's got this year fift twenty catches out. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.920 It's just you know this guy can make plays. Um, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.079 it's just you don't have an offense right now that 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.280 can consistently get on the ball. Now, paul as is 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.079 our custom, you get the next good. But if you 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.599 take my only one legitimate good, it's going to be 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.920 a very short good lay. Okay, then I'm pretty sure 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.199 I won't. Then, like I said, I have a very 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.240 small list, okay, um, and I'm gonna put Matthew jude 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.040 On on it just for four good? Is that it did? 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.360 I say, no, okay, But I mean sometimes you get 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.199 on for one play, like it was desperation time. It's 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.280 third and four. They throw a quick pass out to 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.920 Jamar Chase and Matthew jude On strips him. You get 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.280 on for one play sometimes when it's that important of 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.080 a play, they were dead lifeless. They had to come 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.079 up with a play and he made it. Um, I 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.400 don't think he was really all that good in the game. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.280 I know he had a sack, but I didn't think 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.760 he I thought Burrow was very comfortable in the pocket 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.920 all day um for the most part. And this play 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.160 that he gets the ball back for the Patriots offense 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.559 umi was an enormous play. Enormous play. And yes he 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.920 absolutely is on my good list. He's not my only 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.280 one legitimate but that one play in particular, he was 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.960 motioning someone in the secondary back with his left hand, 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:28.640 which I didn't know if he was telling him to 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.560 stay back. I think what he was saying was actually, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.720 I'm staying back on this one. I'm gonna spy either 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.040 the quarterback or over the pascoes if it goes, if 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.040 it's a screen. And he was there to make the play. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.800 I thought he missed the tackle it first. Well, yeah, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:47.080 I mean if he doesn't fumble, he does miss the tack. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.440 I guess. But you make up, you make a play. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.400 And he had a couple of sacks and uh, I'm 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.360 I'm I'm growing a little weary of the wiping of 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.120 the mouth after the sack, especially when you're down, you know, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.040 twenty two to nothing. In the first I thought it 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.240 was some we could probably get to that later. I 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.559 thought there was some exuberant celebrations for a team that 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.880 was getting at their asses beat thank you, thank you 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.840 throughout the first half and even into the third quarter. Um, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.679 I got it. Really you look at some of the 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.280 I mean twenty eight first downs four hundred and forty 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.960 two yards of like eight for sixteen on third downs. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.839 The Bengals did whatever they wanted. I know, they just 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.000 every once in a while they stopped themselves. And I'm 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.200 happy that you sacked Joe Burrow for a couple of times. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:32.320 He completed forty passes four zero, he threw three hundred 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.319 and seventy five yards and three touchdowns. Didn't get to 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.520 him early. You know what's funny, it didn't seem like that. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.679 It was that many, like fifty two passes time. I know, 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.679 I know, fifty two. I know. It didn't seem to 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.199 just take them. What's there? I mean, I think, but 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.120 then again, do you remember the ball a whole lot? No? 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.760 But when they did it was reasonably effective, Like Joe 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.440 Joe Mixon, I thought, was it was good enough? Oh yeah, 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.880 they do a good list for the Bengals. Actually, but 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:00.520 that wouldn't be all that long either. Um. I mean, 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.040 you have a few players, but it's not like they 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.160 had some really really really dumb played. That's the anatomy 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.439 of how you lose a game today. Oh with the Bengals, 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.680 some of the stuff the Bengals did in the second half, 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.120 But do you think it's a sign of a team 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.400 that they mess around they play? I do think that 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.160 they got a little But like you know, Jamar Chase 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.240 drops what would would have been a big play, maybe 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.440 a touchdown. Tee Higgins drops a touchdown. They ended up 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.960 getting a touchdown shortly thereafter, and then the other kids 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.880 drops a touchdown. Like this is the NFL. You don't 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.400 have that many chances to drop touchdown passes and win games, 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.559 do you know what I mean? And I'm talking. I'm 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.800 not talking Like there was a play that Chase had 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.200 in the first half where he try to catch one 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.199 with one hand. He was behind um Jonathan Jones and 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.679 try to catch it, but I'm not counting that Like 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.800 that should have been a touchdown too, I said it. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.559 Oh my god, Paul. It's the one thing. There's, like, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:51.960 you know a couple of things that are you're going 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:56.040 to force you to stop watching sports. Receivers insisting on 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.480 catching the ball with one hand might force me to 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.880 stop watching football for a time. The Bengals could have 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.280 been up. I'm not exaggerating. Thirty to nothing. Oh god, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:06.720 they could have had such a bit if they had 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.040 just there were two now one of them. They ended 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.000 up scoring the last touchdown they scored. They ended up 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.160 scoring anyway. But it was it wasn't Chase, it was 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.320 it was someone else down in the Higgins dropped one 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.360 in the end zone and and one on a wye. 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:23.000 Then later they dropped. They threw another touchdown to or Okay, 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:24.680 so we saw Chase try to one hand one Do 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.840 you know why Higgins dropped his He's trying to one 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.360 hand it. I thought it hit him in both hands. 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.160 Do you know what? Do you know why he was 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:34.080 trying to one hand it. I don't know, style points, ESPN. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.280 I don't know. I think Chase tried to one hand 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.640 because Jonathan Jones had the other he did not. I 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.440 watched it. I watched it. It's look he has it 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.920 for his second, but the hand comes loose. Yeah, these guys, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.240 these guys, and it's it's a league wide. It's an epidemic. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.160 They're trying to go They're trying to catch the ball 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.880 one handed. I for what so I didn't steal you 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.000 a good I didn't steal you good so good. Oh 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.640 Marcus Jones. Yeah, Marcus Jones with the with the first 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.040 of all make my list. Yeah, with the caveat that. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.120 He gave up a lot of catches. A lot of 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.720 that three seventy five was on Marcus Jones. Man. Well, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.000 and that's what he's out there for. Okay, But here's 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.440 here's the thing. When you when you give up that 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.440 many completions, you get a lot of tackles. So he 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.640 let the team in tackle. He's not on my back. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.000 He's not on my bad list, simply for the two plays. 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.760 Come on, he's that the run after the pick was 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.920 unbelievable and the run on the little screen pass was unbelievable. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:35.560 Like two unbelievable plays. Yeah, yeah, I don't like the spot. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.160 Yeah that that that's like again, he's not on my 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.160 bad list. I'm just saying. I know, I asked him 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:43.680 to cover guys. He couldn't do it. You know what. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.000 But he's doing so much. He's out there. He's returning punts, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.400 he's returning kit well, there's that many punts. He's returning kicks. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.720 He the pick six he's making tackles. I mean, come on, 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.920 come on, yeah, yeah, And I'm not arguing with you. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.680 I'm not that's that. I'm certainly the ball. But he 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.480 recovers the fumble. I mean, what do you want for? 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.320 We are from him? But I had made the comment 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.920 like because the Patriots have had like he became the 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.040 first guy since Jules to have an offensive touchdown, a 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.040 defensive touchdown, in a special teams touchdown in the same season. Right, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.640 What he's doing is so in my opinion, just my opinion, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.120 so much more impressive than what like Troy Brown and 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:30.280 Jules did because his impact on offense is far greater 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.520 than their impact was on defense. In my opinion, again, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.920 just my thought, what Marcus Jones is doing plus all 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:41.160 of that as a rookie is borderline re god damndiculous. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.120 I mean, like he has been unreal to be doing 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.120 some of the things that he's doing. I think it's 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.920 I think it's funny that Paul purposely stayed away from 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.440 what he knew my only good would be and it 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.640 wasn't on his good list. Oh, I didn't know what 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.240 you're only good would be. That's why when I said 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.280 Jude on I didn't know a few. What I didn't, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.720 I really didn't know. Okay, I was hoping I stayed 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.800 away from me, all right, but yeah, I mean those 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.080 those I mean, the Patriots have no sniff in that 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.119 game without his pick sex Yeah, okay, no sniff, all right, 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.280 let's uh. And it was an amazing run. Oh that's 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.680 I mean, that's the thing that gets I mean that 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.320 the pick itself was just the pick was thrown to right, 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.480 but it's but it's a sixty nine yard run. Um, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.080 that was incredible, boss man Fred Curse joining us now, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.239 as we've gone through our first round of goods here 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.800 with Kendrick Bourne, Matthew Judean, uh, Marcus Jones, which not 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.480 everyone had on their good list? Did you have your good? Okay? 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.600 All right, Fred, do you have any anybody to have 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.159 good more than those three we just started? Freddie, So 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:42.040 what did you have Marcus Jones, Matthew Judean and Kendrick Bourne. Um? Yeah, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:46.520 I was gonna say born Um, yeah, I guess all right, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.080 Well defensive played, No, you get yourself so I'm terrible. Mom, 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.120 Oh you're done, tas Okay, Yeah, I had I had um, 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.720 I had myers just because I thought he was his typical, 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.480 like really hard nosed self. I know his numbers were good, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:06.040 but that's really inflated by a fluke. Hail mary um. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.600 And I had There's only one guy on defense that 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.520 I thought did anything worth the damn and that was 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.680 Joan Bentley. I thought he was really active in the 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.240 game and fill in holes um. The rest of the 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:19.239 defense was completely and utterly overmatched, utterly overmatched. They had 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.200 no shot. I flirted it in the second half, no shot. 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.359 I flirted with Bentley a little bit. I just point 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.800 the pass break up the first stop they got, like, 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.080 you know, I thought that was a big play. But 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.439 I flirted with Bentley. No, I didn't really technically put 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:32.919 him on, but I flirted with him a little bit. Oh, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.480 just a little, a little slap and tickle. Well, hold on, 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.360 why didn't they have a chance of the second half? 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.080 They couldn't stop him. They didn't score any points. Yeah, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:45.520 I know, we all know how that unfolded. Wow, Well, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.880 I dropped a touchdown pass, they missed a field goal, 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.600 they had a third down and one that they ended 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.600 up getting called back and had to end up punting. 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.479 Like there was like they did very I mean, Fred, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.919 did the numbers speak for themselves. Well, I mean eight 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.960 for sixteen on third down four two yards, I think, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.200 couldn't I couldn't stop. I kind of agree with Fred though, 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.640 in that keeping points off the board does count for something, 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.480 and as much as if you do something to keep 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.399 them off the board, I would agree when the other 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.440 guy drops a touchdown in the end zone, you didn't 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.920 do anything to keep points off the board. Okay, that's 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.119 that's what I'm That's like if they just came out 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.720 in the second half and it was a complete role reversal, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.560 I would say, Wow, I don't know what they did 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.119 it to me. I was stunted the first drive of 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.760 the second half when they just did the same exact 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.840 stuff they did the whole first half. I was like, 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:32.640 what did they talk about at half time? I don't 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.960 when you had the last real possession that they had 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.159 and as I was watching it said they got to 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.520 turn this ball over before the fifty. If they get 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.720 across the fifteen, there's less than three minutes on the 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.480 clock that get the game is over and they turn 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.160 it over. So it's like that's doing something. That's why 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.120 I put Matthew Jude. That's why I put Matthew Jude 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.119 onto the good list, but he's on the defense. But 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.200 that was that was the play. I said, sometimes you 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.399 get on for one play, okay, and I put them on. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.760 I think they showed a little something that when you 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:01.600 do it was better in the second half. In the 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.720 first half, okay, yeah, when they don't punt it all 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.840 in the first half, and then you know you at 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.400 least I'm not saying they forced three punts, but when 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.200 the other team does have to punt at least three 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.320 times in the second half, the defense gets some credit. 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.520 They showed some fighting in the second half, the defense, 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.639 and one of them was the last tray. Do you 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.680 really think that they would like if they just threw 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.120 the ball, they would have had the three and out. 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.199 Do you like they're just running the ball to run 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:26.840 the clock out and make them take their time out. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.880 I was making my way down here at that point, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.359 so I didn't, okay. The last one of the punts 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.760 was kind of okay, all right, kind of a concession, 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.240 but I was I was fighting my way through the crowd, 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.760 which all uh. I left the booth and the crowd 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.879 left right after the Stevenson fumble. That was it. That 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:44.800 was a good time to leave, all right, So we 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:46.639 should go right to the bad. All right, let's go 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:48.840 to the bad. Let's just go right to Stevenson. Um, 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:50.680 you know, I mean, I just go back to early 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.800 last year when he got benched early on, like where 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.080 Stevenson ben he fumbled once and we haven't seen him 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.439 in two weeks. You know, not to connect it totally, 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.560 but just how do you do this two weeks in 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:01.880 a row, at the end of the game, with the game, 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.359 the game is in your hands, and twice, you know. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:07.479 I mean, I don't want to put it all on him, 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.560 because I think the offense came out absolutely like trash 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.119 with with how they performed in the first half. Um, 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.399 but this is just it's it's unfortunate because he's had 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.040 one of the few really good seasons of offensive players 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.880 on the Patriots right now, and he's cost them two 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.919 games with stupid, stupid decisions that that cannot happen. They 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.000 just like this cannot happen for last year. Well, I 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:30.560 last year. No, I didn't say that. I'm just in 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.080 the last two games, the last two games he's made 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:37.000 stupid I was actually No, that's a good point. I'm sorry. 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.720 I was thinking of the Miami fumble, like his rookie 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:41.920 his first game, right, and remember we were like, wow, 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.000 that's so like why does he get fumbled? And it's like, well, 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:46.480 it's just weird now that all of a sudden, here 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:47.720 we are. He's got a bunch of good games and 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:49.760 then all of a sudden might have fumbled. And I 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.440 fought back on that against some guys. He might have 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.720 a fumbling problem, like he had the one against Buffalo, 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:56.480 not the one in the handoff, the one on the 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.520 little screen he dropped. He had one today that went 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.800 out of that went out of bounds, right, it was 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.800 the first play after halftime. Yeah, he might have a 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.359 little bit of a fumble. And I don't even know 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.360 if it's a fumbling. Maybe this is what, but it's 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.280 it's mental. Can I do what I do best real 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.000 quick and we'll get with the bads and everything, and 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.159 you guys can call me a random sword play that 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.920 you're going to round, just a random time where I 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.480 like to beat the beat the living crap out of 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.520 the officials. At what point is it forward progress? Yeah, 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.520 like push back. I'm not trying to like say, like 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:27.680 Sunshine dot com, you know that you guys know me 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:29.760 well enough. I'm not doing that. But I've seen that 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.600 play blown dead many times. Yeah, well, usually he gets 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.960 hit and he's getting pushed back like three four yards, 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.520 but Paul, not often enough because we sit here especially, 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.560 that's not forward. I mean he's still he's still fighting 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.600 for yards. But like Fred said right away, like he 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.320 definitely loses the ball, but you know, did the whistle blow? 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.679 I think that's what progress right we It comes up 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.280 most often we're sitting here watching the away games, We're like, 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.040 would you blow that play dead? The guy's gonna get killed? 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:58.280 Stop it already the place. And I do think that 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:02.240 they afford quarterback that more so because the quarterback isn't 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.280 fighting for yards, yes, whereas the running back is fighting 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.320 for yards. But I don't know. I just i've seen 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.280 this play called forward progress before. I'm just gonna beat 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:12.639 the crap out of the officials because that's what I 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:14.320 do best. While we're here with the video, can I 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:15.800 just ask, did you see what Mac did to get 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.960 the penalty after this whole I didn't, but I was watching, 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:21.720 did you see I didn't see that? Mike but I 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.760 saw a very cheap play that Matt got away with 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:26.399 on that play where it was disputed whether or not 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.760 he fumbled on the intentional grounding them. The player for 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.320 the Bengals returned that for a touchdown, right, and he 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:36.160 just dives at a guy's legs like twenty yards behind 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.240 the play like a really First of all, it's a 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.200 penalty that they didn't call because you can't take a 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.440 guy's legs out, even as the defensive team um. And 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.400 it's like that's an attempt to injure like that you're 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:51.920 diving at a guy's legs. Can't You cannot allowed to 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:53.800 do that. You're not allowed to pull guys off the pile. 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.359 So this so this probably isn't. I think somebody got pushed, 0:23:57.440 --> 0:23:58.880 So this isn't all of a sudden you see, here's 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:00.200 when you see all the flags come out and that 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.040 like Bengal goes flying. If you if you, if you 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:04.160 got call for just pulling guys off the pile, that's 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:05.840 not a cheap shot. But that's a penalty. No, it 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.040 seems like this guy maybe twenty one here, and I'll 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:13.680 tell the left that's an underrated penalty too. By the way, 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.720 because they just they just ran the ball three times, 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.480 you know that, So instead of making the punt from 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.320 the end zone, you gave them fifteen yards. Ye. Well 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.600 that I mean that that could be a big difference. 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:25.920 I'm just gonna I'm just gonna jump in here with 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.920 my first bat and said, it's the offense. There's still 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.760 no offense when you're in that position and you're down there. 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.040 And I started talking about this before we started the list, 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:39.080 Fred when the challenge comes from up above, and they 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.240 said they actually didn't pick up the first down there. Okay, 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.919 now we're third and inches. I say that screwed up 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.680 the Patriots because I think whether it's Matt Patricio or 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:51.480 Matt Jones, there's somebody they say to themselves almost inherently, 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.520 when we got to get the first down, and I say, no, 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:55.800 you don't, you need to touchdown, but they run that 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.480 stupid play that gets a couple of inches for Romandre 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:00.639 Stevenson and that gives them the first down. So what 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.080 time has clicked is ticked. But we have plenty of time. 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.840 Oh was on our side. Sure, And just just like before, 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.679 you sp all three timeouts and I'm gonna give before 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.480 you score the last touchdown, and there's seven minutes, six minutes, 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:15.960 and it's you know, it's a it's a it's a play, 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.280 and then it's a huddle and let's wait for the 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.120 play to come in. And you're standing there and I'm 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.440 watching the clock. I'm like, you guys don't have that 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.360 much time. Was you had a new set it down 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.720 at the time in the world. Time wasn't a fact. 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.680 If you want to go with your momentum thing, I 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.879 think momentum more momentum more so than time. They had 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.879 him on the run, you know, throw it into the 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.080 end zone. So why go for why go for a 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.200 first down? What's the point take a shot because you 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.200 don't get it right now the game comes down to 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.520 one play, then you can okay, but you can run 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.480 that same play when the game comes down to one 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.360 play and have just as much success with it. Well, 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:57.000 you can play like they did on the first That 0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.680 is the point. They don't have anything other than that play. 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.800 They really don't. They have desperation. I think I think 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.520 it's I liked where they were sitting. I mean, you know, 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.040 you had a chance. You made the Bengals blow all 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.040 their timeouts, so even when they got the ball back, 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.639 they were gonna have no timeouts and you had a 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:17.280 fresh set of down So let's say you don't get 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:18.800 it on the first try, you get it on a second, 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.640 third try running the ball, They're not gonna have much time, 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:26.320 you know. And believe me, if Burrow has the time, 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.840 he's gonna beat you. Yeah, you know, so you're right. 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.879 I was actually don't score. If I was Cincinnati, I 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:34.560 don't know that they were going to beat you the 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:36.680 way they were playing, the way they were beating themselves 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:38.760 in that second half. And I tell you, if if 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.320 there's any momentum in that game and you have it 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:45.680 as the Patriots offense, stop huddling, stop taking all that time. 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:47.280 And even at the end when the game is pretty 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.800 much over, they get called for a delay a game 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.760 because they're wa for a player to come in doing that. 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:57.000 There's bad. There's no offense. They can't run an offense. 0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.399 There is no party. It was so bad in the 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.359 first half. After the third drive, I called for Zappy. 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.159 Well you were that's something you were, no, I know, 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.639 but I've always been against that, you know, like, what 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.920 what's he gonna do? You know, it's crazy. I called 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.960 for Zappy because it looked that bad. I think I 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:20.320 thought I heard you amongst the chorus of people calling 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.560 for Zappy. You know, now he looked a little better 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.440 in the second half, and I just wonder, like how 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.040 much of this is coaching, you know, because all of 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.439 a sudden, here's Kendrick Bourne, Like where the hell has 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.000 he been? You know, it's like it's there. I mean, 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:36.919 they're I've always thought there better than what they let 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.680 let Mac cook. I just let Mac cook. I don't 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.080 think Mac can cook, dude. I don't even think he 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:43.720 was great in the second half. I think you take 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:45.680 out the forty eight yard hill, Mary, and you know, 0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.200 you throw us food two yards in a touchdown. And 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.320 Fred Paul, I know what you're saying. I understand about 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:53.800 the clock. I understand that. You know, the Bengals had 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:55.720 used their time outs, and you know it's a minute 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:59.119 and you're close. The way this offense runs, or the 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.640 way this lap of an offense runs, it's not enough time. 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:07.119 They need so much time to essentially do nothing. So 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:10.119 maybe it doesn't matter they had three timeouts, but they 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.080 need but they need every single second, and we've seen 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.600 them use timeouts and then have to use another one 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.000 on top of it. They can't get a play in 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.520 blow it. Okay, but like for a normal NFL offense, 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.560 you were in perfect position. Yeah, I agree, And that's 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:29.680 the key phrase that you just made. Though freddie an offense. 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.159 I was talking to our buddy Evan as the you know, 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.200 as what's going and I'm I'm thinking of it in 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.680 terms of exactly what Fred's talking about. Like I've Mike, 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:41.800 you make fun of me, like I've been in these 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.320 you know I can do this right, It's like chess. 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:50.840 So I'm like, Okay, if you're a good offense, you're 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.280 not only scoring, you're doing so as methodically as you can. 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.640 But that makes a big assumption that you can score, 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.480 that you're you know you're gonna score right right, And 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.280 I don't think they knew they were going to score, 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.640 And that's I think that's why it was driving me nuts. 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.080 When they were still down two scores and it's seven 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.200 minutes and they burned forty five seconds in between plays, 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.880 I'm like, you know what, this team the only way 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:18.720 they can reasonably move the ball is via six yard checkdowns, 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.880 and it takes so much time to do that. You can't. 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.960 You can't be huddling and waiting for the play to 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.240 come in and have it and back up there calling 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.360 out the middle linebacker and it's all just snap the 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.240 ball and let's snap. Let's face it, if the Patriots 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:37.120 had pulled this out, we would have been calling it 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.320 the Christmas miracle because you know, the tip ball to 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.480 mind absolutely, you know, the fum ball and the miss 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.600 the missed extra points. I mean, all of that had 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:48.920 to add up to make this possibly didn't. I mean, 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:50.680 I don't want to say that he didn't want them 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:52.480 to win, but it just felt like, you're gonna be 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.880 handed this game. I don't care about that I wanted, 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:59.360 but like, if you want to win, that people would 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.560 have I I know everybody's afraid of right now, which 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.280 is that they were gonna pull something out of their 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.000 butts and then they were gonna point to this in 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.160 the last season and be like, well, against Cincinnati, we 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.400 drive together at the end of the game, like I said, back, 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.880 like I said, if all of a sudden, they came 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:15.240 out in the first drive of the second half and 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.520 it was like eight place, seventy five yards, touchdown, three 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.880 and out, followed by you know, twelve place seventy five yards. 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.680 That's a comeback. Yes, this Yeah, I don't even know 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.720 what to like. I think Fred's right. The Christmas miracle. Yeah, 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:33.280 Like there was literally seventeen things that touchdown. What was it? 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:38.040 It was third and what thirty? That on that play 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.479 it was not too I haven't I mean other than 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.440 you guys, I haven't met anybody that didn't think that 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:48.240 was a fumble. But with Matt, yeah, on on that play, like, 0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.080 I mean, the ball was clearly out of his hands 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:54.480 before it started going forward. But anyway, even with that, 0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.040 Cincinnati's probably just sitting there. Yeah, just make sure we 0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.720 don't commit any penalties. It's gonna be fourth and a million. 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:02.040 And then you let the guy get two hands on 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.000 the ball on the goal line. It bounces off of 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:07.680 them right to myers. Fred if if wow, like Fred's 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.240 that's exactly right, it would have been the Christmas Miracle 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.400 and people would have been thinking, I thought Matt couldn't 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.200 come back, right, Like, it only would have covered up 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.360 the real problems. Man, Okay, if it were the Christmas Miracle, 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.920 let's create the meme right now. The three wise men 0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:26.560 would be Bill Belichick, Matt Patricia, and I would like 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:30.080 to nominate Jerry, who was sitting next to the owner today. 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:32.640 I think that would make a nice mean. I think 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:40.040 Jerry was a little drummer boy just because the extra Okay, yeah, Jerry, 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.800 I would you would? You said, would you admit this, 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.720 Fred if the mac Jones non fumble in your estimation? 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:51.720 Was it at least fumbley? Fred said it was close. 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.720 He did. Were watching it together and we would just 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.560 I thought he had possession in the you know, the ball. 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:04.120 I think it's an empty hand like any favors now, 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.760 but I thought it. I thought it did. He clearly 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.160 had the ball and it came out, but had it 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.400 already started its forward? Yeah? And I think there was 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.440 one of those that that they if they had called 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.480 that a fumble on the field, I think you're I 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:18.760 think they would have stuck with it because I think 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.880 it was. It was really close. I think Fred's right. 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:22.680 I think it was really close. And to me, I 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:24.880 thought his hand was empty. When you thought the born 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.520 catch wasn't a catch, yeah, I was not not the 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.120 catch itself. I thought he caught it. Everybody was fixated 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:31.360 on whether or not he had the ball when he 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:33.080 was on the ground. I not like. To me, he 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.560 clearly caught it. I didn't know if he had fully 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.120 secured the ball when that first foot was on the ground, 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.520 right if you compare it to that on the Hunter 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.320 Henry touchdown exact the same play. Yeah, Now, I thought 0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:46.280 the Hunter Henry play was a catch, and I think 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.720 they're I think I'm very consistent. The catch part, to me, 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.520 didn't bother me. I didn't know when he watched this 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:54.720 right here, right here, he's got it. I didn't know 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:56.920 if he had that first foot when he had actually 0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:00.920 secured hits his hands right here, but I don't know 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:04.560 if it's down immediately goes up, Fredd, he gets his 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.520 two feet down. I don't think there's any argument. It's 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:08.760 whether or not he fully had control of the ball 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.880 when that first that foot comes up immediately. Yeah, but 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.960 after he had control, they're declaring that he has control 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:16.360 of the ball as soon as it hits his cloth. 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.080 That's right. I think that was really close. I would 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:21.240 like to see that play called a catch every time. Yeah, 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.680 I don't. Unfortunately, the rest of the league disagrees with me, 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.640 because Hardy's right, that play has been called incomplete at 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.360 least fifteen times since the Hunter Henry play. Yeah, yeah, 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.040 that play has been called incomplete more often than not lately. 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:33.880 And that should be a catch one hundred times out 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.040 of hundreds. So that's how you can live with this loss. 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.000 You know, that one. I don't know if that one 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.400 really holds up as a catch, you know, half the 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.160 time even that's a catch to me, I think it is, 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.160 but you know, but they ever, I'm very consistent when 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.920 these guys make unbelievable plays to like contort their bodies. 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.800 Here's what I'm saying, catch the ball, that's a catch. 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.800 They ruled it not a catch? Or do they rule 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.480 it out a bout? Yeah, they ruled him out of bounds? Furious, remember, Yeah, 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.800 if all they're if he was he first because he 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:03.920 had a challenge it like why are you fur? I 0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:05.880 don't get like he's furious because he can't find his 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:11.280 sock or he was just he was screaming at disgustingly. 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.200 But you can live with it because of that and 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:18.440 also the holding call that you got down the left 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:22.080 side line. I believe on this same drive right o, man, 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.279 Yeah I didn't see that. Well, listen, there was nothing 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.359 there on that right, because there was nothing to see. 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.600 He never even there was he never even touched him 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.680 held he may have hooked a finger inside his jersey. 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:33.440 I don't know what the ref called. I don't know 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:37.359 why they called it. It didn't happen. So they're now eight, 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:39.799 seven and eight. It didn't happen. So nine and eight 0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:41.880 still on the table. Fred, Yes, that's your favor it is, 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:45.279 that's your favorite line after every long um, okay, let's 0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:47.920 say one more, just one more thing. People hasn't even 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:49.520 done a bad he always done any bad jem. Well, 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:51.560 well you had said bad offense. I just by I mean, 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.239 I just wanted to say, like the first four possessions 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:56.520 it was a third and four punt, third and six punt, 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.840 third and five punt, third and five punt, like and 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.319 these are down you got him, like third and five, 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.680 it's not. Meanwhile, those possessions the other way went five 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.239 for seventy eight in a touchdown, nine for fifty nine 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.399 in a touchdown, ten for forty one in a field 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.960 goal with a drop touchdown in the middle of that. Uh, 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.279 and then twelve for eighty in a touchdown. So while 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.839 you were punting every single possession, they were scoring every 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.879 single possession like it was total domination. It was not even. 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.360 It wasn't even it was like a homecoming game. It 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.920 wasn't even like two NFL it was. It was. It 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.920 had the makings of one of those games where the 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.560 other team comes to Foxbrown it's freezing cold, and we 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:36.840 put fifty on them. You know, that's the way it 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:38.399 used to be. And I just thought, like the whole 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.880 thing to you a point, Mike about the offense and 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.719 then the defensively, like the covers was off. They're letting 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.120 guys run. You know, they've given everything underneath. Every time 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.640 they ran deep, they got open deep. Tee Higgins was 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.439 was opened deep. Uh. You know they're calling timeouts because 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.399 they don't have the proper personnel out there. First drive 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.520 at the game, yeah right, you know they're getting caught off. 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.839 The first two drives were just all full thirty nine 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:02.360 yard or a Higgins like right off the bat, like 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:03.800 what second play of the game, it was just like 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:05.160 here we go. This is what they're gonna do. They're 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.440 gonna target Marks Jones down the field on those big receivers. 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.520 And then they missed it. They missed the extra point. 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.400 The second extra point by McPherson, and quality gets a 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.920 personal follow because now they ended up stopping it. But 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.000 they ended up you know, like just another ten penalties 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.520 today there was probably eight worth of eight different things 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.680 worthy of bad on like the in those drives defensively. 0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.640 Let me tell you something before the before the Trent 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:30.680 Brown falls start there, I saw him a couple of 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.200 plays earlier. I'm like, oh, he's checked out of this game. 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.759 You can just tell from the body language sometimes from 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:39.239 that guy. And I'm like, yeah, we are overdue for 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.040 a false start or you know, a lazy hold or 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.400 something from Trent Brown. And a few plays later were 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.400 popped up. I'm like, yeah, that's what I thought I 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.759 saw as he was kind of, you know, just kind 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.600 of like skirting the outside of the huddle, like we're 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.920 still doing this, I still playing. I think it was 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:57.560 afraid that this was going to be like one of 0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.000 those kind of pullout wins like that, but like ultimately 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.839 it ended up being a totally twenty twenty two characteristic 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.000 Patriots loss of This is them right, Like as much 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:08.480 as it was about to be this like out of 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.399 character thing where they pulled it out, it was them 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:17.440 all right. Um, other specific bads. Just the secondary in general. 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:19.759 I didn't think was competitive in the game. I didn't 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:21.600 think they had anybody covered all. I just think they 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.200 were overmatched. They were. They're just not as good they were, 0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:27.120 You're right, I mean, they just they were overmatched, you know. 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.080 But that's what happens when you have a quarterback who 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:34.000 can throw the ball to yes, exactly between and how 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.719 great the defense is against these backup quarterbacks and two 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.960 of his receivers keys. That is the type. That's the 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:41.920 type of talent where you can just put it up 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.160 and say here you go, get that. And he he 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.640 had like three of them. Yes, the one to Chase 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:51.880 down in our corner, and then he hadn't. He had 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.520 just like a routine like fifteen yard out, twelve yard 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.000 out in the second half where he threw the ball 0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.000 like a day and a half before Chase even broke 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:01.320 to the outside. The one to Chase down in your corner. 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.600 He threw that ball so early and I don't think 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:08.120 Chase had even made his cut yet, and the coverage 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.560 was there, but Burrow just trusted him and saying, you 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.160 know what, if I put it over there, he was 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.319 he was open. He didn't even have to throw him open, Fred, Yeah, 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.360 just open. And then the other one on the other side. 0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.440 The other one to Irwin was like the same thing. 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.440 He had all kinds of room. He just threw it up. 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.240 Let him make a play. I think it was Irwin. 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:27.920 I think that was it. We just saw that the 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:29.840 one down in you see him, He's like, you know, 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.480 there's two yards. That's the one that's the one. Great job, 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:34.640 great job on the videos. And the other one, the 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:36.120 other one at the other end of the field. Though, 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.719 to Chase, the Paul mentioned was like Burrow threw the 0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:41.759 ball and then you saw like Chase turnaround, see the ball, 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.200 realize where it's going, and then like like it was 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.719 just like he the ball was just slow down there 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.719 for him. Look at that. There's no real want to 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:51.960 throw that ball when he did, other than well, I 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:53.880 can put the ball exactly where I want to and 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.960 I know my receiver. There was an element of sort 0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.960 of and I don't this is going to sound really disrespectful. 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:02.759 I don't mean it's not, but like we haven't seen 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.560 offense like that with I mean, obviously with the way 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:09.239 that the Patriots passing offense has been all year but 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.960 it was like, wow, it was like an appreciation for 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.360 some of those plays today, like some of those players 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.400 on the sideline that were thrown with timing well and 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.600 precise your guys, Zolac in the booth, I think you know, 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.160 people were saying that he was like, this is the 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.480 kind of offense we used to have, you know, we 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:27.560 used to be able to do this. Yeah, but like 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.080 when you had Brady, I don't that's what he meant. 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:30.719 I hope he didn't mean last year. No, no, no, no, 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.040 that's what he meant, because that must have been during 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:38.040 the part of the game when he was here, because 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.560 there is a huge ground like it doesn't you don't 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.279 hear it anymore. But going into this year, there was 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.600 a lot of this is what mac Jones can be. Yes, 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.560 this is Joe Burrow and I'm sorry, I don't see 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.399 the same level of talent. I don't. At some point, 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:55.120 Zo just started focusing in on the clam chowder, and 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:58.239 then then he came back after the after the hail Mary, 0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:00.520 a little bit of hail Mary, because I gotta be honest, 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.080 even the pick six didn't like I was like, well, 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.640 that's nice for Marcus Jones he's he's my pet rookie. 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.279 I was happy for him the hail Mary. I was like, 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.440 oh huh, this that happened. We'll still like six minutes left. 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:13.240 Bengals are going to have to put a drive together. 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:17.120 And that's when you started thinking. And again I had 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.839 the same feeling, like I don't know that they're gonna 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.839 win this game, but something miraculous could happen on Christmas Eve. 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.440 Oh And that's what it's funny because that's the four 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.560 of us. You know. I know Fred's usually busy with 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.239 the blog, but we were just talking the whole time. 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:32.359 It's like, I know what feels like, it's fifty to nothing, 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.120 but the Bengals have made it so it's only twenty 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.360 two to nothing. You know, they missed two extra points, 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:38.920 they miss a field goal, they drop a touchdown, and 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.719 instead of thirty to nothing, it was twenty two to nothing. 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:45.280 And you know, by the time that tip touchdown happened, 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:47.480 a lot of people had left. Oh yeah, And I 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:49.520 was thinking to myself, if the Patriots win this, how 0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:51.839 many of those people say I was there? I was there. 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.279 It's like the Ted Williams home running don Way. All 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:56.680 the people that say they witnessed it. Before we get 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.439 to the injured. To add one more good I wanted 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.839 to get to, and that's Nick Folk. Had he made 0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:04.000 one of those extra points, I mean bad. No. Had 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:07.120 he made one of the extra points, then I think, uh, 0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.320 the other missed one doesn't count as much and he 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:11.880 probably would have kicked the field goals so they wouldn't 0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:13.959 had to have you know, you know, been thinking about 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.879 the touchdown. So good job by him. Um. I would 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.319 also add him the special time you got to reach 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.759 that special team's coverage again. Kick off out to the 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.920 forty on one of them. Was it returns all day? 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.200 They both the kicker a puncher dropping the ball. Well, 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.440 the thing is they're they're punting it not high and 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.080 it's going short, so the coverage doesn't even have time 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.880 to set up. You know, the kickoff coverage has been 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.160 a problem when it hasn't been a touchback, it's been 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.879 a problem. Nick Pherson and and Folk were so bad today. 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.760 Was it wind here down there that I thought something 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.400 going on in that south end zone? Holy crap? But 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.879 I thought our end zones at the south one, yeah, 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:58.279 the north one too. I mean they could anything that 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.239 wasn't affecting the passes. But that was the weird thing. 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:04.800 Folks miss to the open end. He just shanked like 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.120 that was a low kick. I can't okay, So of 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:12.640 course didn't get a replay. Why would you get a replay? Um? Sorry, 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.840 that my fault. No, we just I should have broken 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.239 five minutes. She talked too much. I know you never 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:24.680 shut up, homeboy, you never shut up. Um. I thought 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.160 someone got a hand on it and defied. Maybe, but 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.520 we didn't get a replay. When I saw, I didn't 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.279 get it. I didn't get a look either, I did. 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.239 I just saw a low kick. But if that's it, 0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:37.200 then that that that's different. I think the wind problem 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:43.720 was at our end Southend. Yeah, yeah, I mean clearly 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.240 McPherson's first one was affected by it because it really 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.200 pushed right. Then he missed the next one right, and 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.520 I thought to myself, he's going to overcompensate and miss 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.680 one left, and sure enough the field goal he missed left. Yeah, 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.759 but I missed extra point and missed a field goal 0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:00.759 for McPherson, and then you know, folk just made nothing. 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:05.799 So all right, Um, it's bad, bad all around. Injuries. Um, yeah, 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:09.160 that's some injuries. We did lost both tight end Henry 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.320 early knee, you know, and you gotta hand it to 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:15.280 the tight ends, you know. Henry gets hurt while running 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.879 into the other tight ends. Joonu Smith on the first 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:22.640 third down of the game, I believe unorthodox play knee 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.879 and he didn't come back. And later Um macum really 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.319 tried his best to kill John U. Smith. He tried 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.800 to kill him Um and he didn't return either with 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.279 a head injury. Schooler went out early, came back though. 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.600 Marcus Jones went out. Yeah, I didn't h was on 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.080 the recovery. But I wonder if Marcus Jones got like 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.399 pebbles in his eyes or something. Yeah, but he looked 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.279 fine on the play that Jhonu Smith got sandwich. He 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.160 didn't get hit in the head though. No, but the 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.880 whiplash when you got hit from one side, the whiplash, alright, 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:54.000 he get hit from from the Patriots sideline into another guy. Yeah, 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.600 if he didn't hit his head, he did kind of 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.080 like jarred and then he I don't know was that 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:03.440 was a pretty big retrospect, but it was a clean hit. 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:06.000 It didn't No, No, you're right back, Jones can't throw 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.600 that someone explained to me, like I'm a child. How 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:11.920 mac Jones throws that ball? Yeah? How do you? How 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.279 do you pull the trigger on that pass? I what 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.839 what do you see that allows you? And the things 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:21.040 that he doesn't see, Like, you know, they had one 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.640 angle where on a sack and he steps up and 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.320 you're seeing it from his vantage point, and there's guy's 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.919 crossing that if he just gets rid of it, yeah, 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:33.839 I mean he could get it there and he ends 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.319 up taking the sack. And especially when you when you've 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:38.120 got somebody, it doesn't even have to be on a 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:41.080 cross Sometimes it's someone opened for a screen, which he loves. 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.440 You know, he's holding out of the ball. There was 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.680 one plane. He's rolling out right looking for something downfield, 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.719 Like look, kid, yeah, yeah, you haven't made one of 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:53.960 those throws, you know, on purpose out on one of 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.120 those he rolled out, there was nobody open. He's about 0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.239 to get sacked and John who he cut back to 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.560 his game. Johnno came with him, which was a smart play. 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.960 But it's just it's not a normal NFL passing offense. 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:11.200 It's certainly it just isn't all right. Um, let's let's 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:13.200 grab some phone calls here, let's go ahead and do it. 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.680 We'll start with Eric in New Jersey Patriots postgame show 0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:20.160 Pats lose at home to the Bengals twenty two eighteen. 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:22.719 What do you have for us? Eric? Hey, can you 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:26.120 guys hear me? Yes? Yeah, okay? Man. Mary Priston was 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:29.239 first and foremost two bass one talk about real quick house. 0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.279 Marcus Jones love him, but I think he was being 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.040 exploded out there at the you know five. You know, 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.839 Martin's just gonna match up big guys. That flooding tight 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:39.560 ends on him. I think he's I think he's a 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.040 heck of a ballplayer. I do think he's going to 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.040 be out there. If he could stop te Higgins or 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.319 Jamar Chase, he would have been drafted in the first round. 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:51.040 You know, he couldn't do it in college. But the point, 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:52.960 I think, the point he's trying to make is he 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:55.840 can't do it because of his size. Well whatever it is, 0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.920 he never was that guy. Yeah, well you know what 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.400 we've seen it before. I was top five to go birds. 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.040 I mean against smart teams. Smart teams just gonna match him. 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:08.919 It's also but I mean it, see Higgins is a monster, 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:12.840 jam Chase, Jamal Chase like six foot like and I 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:15.239 mean he's a monster in terms of a player, But 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:17.640 like I need my cornerbacks to be able to cover receiver. 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.960 You should even good ones. Yes, now there's always match 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.560 up like a five eight guy against T Higgins can't 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.480 do it. And and twice they had him on an 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.040 island on the outside just throwing it up and he couldn't. 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.840 He was powerless. But like he should be able, he 0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:32.840 should be able to compete with other guys. I mean, 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.120 and I think he struggles. I think he's been thrust 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:38.000 into a terrible position. Totally a great receiver. He's a rookie. 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.360 And I'm not just saying that because he's my bankie. No, 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:42.080 I mean, he didn't play outside at all in training, 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:43.520 can I mean, they're they're down there they I mean, 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.520 and we can talk about lack of depth at outside corner, 0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:48.919 which is certainly a thing, but without Mills, without Jack Jones, 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:52.200 you're stuck trying to play slots, slot corner outside. I'm 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:54.120 right there with you. But I just think that smart 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.360 teams is just gonna find that as that matchups that 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:58.600 match up, Yeah, I hear you, What do they do? 0:46:58.760 --> 0:46:59.680 I mean, what do you want them to do you 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:01.400 want to? But Sean Wade out there like that. They 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:03.760 don't have anybody else. He got torched for a touchdown 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:08.360 when he was out there. Do you feel like, like, 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:11.040 how much better did you feel about Jack Jones? Like, 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:13.400 I don't think he's that much bigger. No, he's a 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:15.600 little he's a little taller, but not. I mean, this 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:19.960 is totally fair, totally fair. I think I think Jackson. 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:21.680 I think Jackson lilong in the limb. I just think 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.680 markings better used. I think Marcus is better in coverage, 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.000 though I mean it's a given take. He's a fourth 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:29.480 round guy. But I think I think I said, I 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.160 think markings will be better used than on the offensive side. 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.480 That's just my my puff peep there and then get 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:38.040 the offense. I mean, I understand the coaching and everything, 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:40.839 but Mackie got a muster up figure a way there 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:42.640 at the end. You had a game silver plate, put 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.520 on the you know, put and put on the line 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:45.960 people just to sit there. And when that you take 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.279 the ball from the forties. It was disgusting and I'll 0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:49.640 take it off and I wish you guys the best 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:53.560 man happy New Years. I think we start saying Happy 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.799 New Year? Is that etiquette on Monday? I think there's 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.520 a lot See this is a catch the tay Kwon 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:01.520 threw it and has yeas to make that like this. 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.360 That's not a hard play, you know, I you know, 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:10.880 in fairness I talked about the Bengals dropping plays and 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.240 run through it. That's point. You don't have to stop 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:16.279 and dive. Keep running. That drop costs you points. And 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:17.880 a kind of the kind of that play that they 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.120 he made once or twice in training camp that made 0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:21.839 you have a little bit of ENTHUSISAM kind of think 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:23.440 it was easier than some of the plays we saw 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:27.080 him making training camp. To be honest, I mean, it 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:31.719 sounds like you're making excuses. But and the ball wasn't underthrown, 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.680 but it probably was coming in closer to his body 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:36.400 than he wanted to. And you know, he end up 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:38.399 trying to catch it. And here's a bolstered with the hands. 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:42.000 But a real receiver makes that catch regardless. That's right. 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.719 I don't think he has any reason to be going 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:45.359 to the ground right there. Yeah, I mean I think 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.279 he made it more difficult. I'll tell you a ball 0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:50.000 that wasn't a throne at the end the bomb to Thornton. 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:54.160 Thornton had to slow up and run into the receiver defender. 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.600 But if Mac had the arm, Yeah, Thornton had the 0:48:57.719 --> 0:48:59.800 space and he can you imagine if he caught that 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:01.799 of God call back for the legal man down fear. 0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:04.719 I just I mean, like in the end, you know, 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:06.839 for a touchdown, because if he caught it, the game 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.880 would have ended, right if if that last thorn and 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:11.600 ball was caught thild like as it was coming down, 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.399 I was just here it is. Here's the play we're 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:15.799 gonna be talking about all offseason of like why we're 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:19.200 excited about Taekwon Thornton and then but if you look 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:24.200 at if Mac had the arm, He's off to the races. No, 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:28.200 I was thinking defense and OPI one play untimed down 0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:30.360 from you know, That's what I was thinking. Let's go 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:32.600 to Tom and Napa. The way the Bengals were playing 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:33.840 in the second half, I thought they were going to 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:41.160 do it all Patriots postgame show, Hi Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:45.640 Tom Tom, rough year for you, Tom. Let's go this evening. 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:51.600 Let's go William and Philly. What's up William? Hey, what's 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.080 going on there? Willing are you doing good? Thanks for 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:58.120 calling all right now? Uh my question is for Paul. 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.759 Paul so I didn't I didn't catch the show earlier though, 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:04.040 but I courted little pizza. I need you? Could you 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:09.319 what you mean? It's not Bill Billichick's fault? I don't understand. Yeah, 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:11.680 what do you mean by that? Yeah? What do you 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.160 mean by that? It's not your fault? What do you 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:16.480 mean by I don't? I don't know because I don't 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.239 know what I don't know when I said it. I 0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.200 still think Bill is a good coach. I mean, if 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:23.759 that's a controversial takeoff, that's I think he'll charge. Paul 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:26.160 and I both said that dude would probably agree. We 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:29.760 all think that Bill was still a got an interesting 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:31.920 little nugget to share. We had ourselves a score of 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.319 gami today. I saw that the twenty two eighteen has 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:37.440 never been done before. It's that weird. What score twenty 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.680 two to eighteen? No game is ever one? So it 0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:43.359 only it only took five extra five missed extra points 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:46.719 to get there? Rightly, Wow, twenty two eighteen is never 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:52.680 happens on seventy fifth. It's pretty odd, add Chris Berman, 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:54.360 of all the games that have been playing I know, 0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:58.040 I mean twenty two eight signs right, you know, huh, 0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:00.640 so what's see? It makes a little differ now, doesn't 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:02.640 It feels a little different. But that well, at least 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:04.560 I saw something I've never you know, I mean anytime 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:06.680 you go to the ballpark too, so you could see 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.520 something you've ever seen. The only three scores that can't 0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:12.120 happen is one nothing, two to one, or one to one. Right, 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.520 those are the only three scores that can't happen. Okay, 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.680 I'd have to check if there's some kind of time 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.360 number for football. There's like another prime number in football 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:23.840 that you can't quite get. Yeah, I thought there was 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:28.160 something about the one to get to four. Something could happen. 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:30.120 I will, Oh, yeah, you can get a one. I 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.040 don't know. I don't only get the extra you can't 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.319 score it's like an obscure single that you can get 0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:37.040 us Okay, I don't know. I mean, yeah, you also 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.920 can't have a score of negative three to two. I 0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:42.000 mean it's like if we're just talking about talking things 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:45.200 that could not have were talking whole numbers. Okay, well, yeah, 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.040 you can't score one, that's correct. Yeah, I think I 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.400 think so. I'm trying to remember what our conversation was 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.400 about Bill it because it was more nuanced than that 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.480 in the pre game. I mean just to you know, 0:51:57.520 --> 0:52:00.520 and I love Willem, But yeah, I don't think Bill 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:04.360 is thou like, like the biggest problem out there. I 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.160 think Bill still I think Bill still has like an 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.560 ability to put game plans together and whatnot. Do I 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:12.960 think he's been part of the problem. Yeah, I know. 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:15.960 I think the decision to make defensive coaches the offensive 0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.919 coordinator was a bad one, going back to not having 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:22.759 a plan after Tom Brady, to making Matt Patricia your 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:26.320 offensive coordinator to Yes, there have been a series of 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:31.480 franchise shifting decisions that Bill has been responsible for it. 0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:33.959 And we still think he's a good coach. We still 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:36.279 think that he does, you know, wonderful job. And if 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:39.480 you have one of these scenarios where whether or injury 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:42.600 levels the playing field, I like a Bill Belichick coach 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:44.920 team and those scenarios. But there have been a few 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:47.839 decisions that he has made big picture for this team 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.920 that have hamstrung you out for three years. Yeah, and 0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:53.799 I don't ignore those. I don't tell you I've been 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:57.200 pretty great. And I mean for me. I think replacing 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.160 Brady is it was a really hard thing to do, 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:01.879 and I certainly it was not good enough. But that's 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:04.319 a really hard thing to do. Um, But you gotta 0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:07.759 have a plan. But even if because nobody else wanted, 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:09.600 but you have a plan, doesn't mean it's gonna work, 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.960 you know, like like everybody's plan the party compared to 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:16.319 they had to what happened with the offense this year. 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:19.319 I see that as a way more egregious screw up 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.680 because it's a completely incompetent offense, you know. I mean, 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:24.720 there are a lot of teams that need a quarterback 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:26.239 out there. It's not like, well, and we'll just put 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:28.640 that guy in for Brady and that'll work fine, you know. 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:31.800 I mean I agree, except except difference if you believe 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:34.480 Tom Brady he knew he was gone in August before 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.160 that season started. Oh yeah, And then they're not having 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:41.719 a plan for that is that's that's very It's a 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:45.959 big one. They had a plan, they implemented it too soon. 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:50.600 The plan was garoppolo and it blew up, so they 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:53.919 never got a chance to implement it. Brady ruined that plan. 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:57.960 But when and then they really and then they they 0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:01.239 screwed up. I think for a year and a half. Right, No, 0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.640 but Garoppolo was going to be the guy to succeed. 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:06.560 I know that. But now you have a year and 0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:08.560 a half to figure out what you're gonna do, and 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:11.520 then then they made Then the second part of the 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:15.399 mistake was not having faith in Brady and not being 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.640 willing to pay him. Okay, yeah, I just I think 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:21.880 he left because of money. He also left because the 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:25.120 coach didn't want him because he wouldn't pay him. He 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.239 left because of money. If they had paid him the money, 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:32.040 that means they want I agree, But they didn't want 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.120 to pay him the money, right because they didn't want him, 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:35.920 that's right, Not because they didn't want to because they 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:38.279 didn't have faith in him, right right, So like it's 0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:40.120 both ways, I know, But I agree with you. I 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:42.000 think if they gave him the contract he wanted, which 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:45.960 I think is was still well below market, say, I 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.359 think you would have stayed. And if the plan was Garoppolo, 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:51.600 the instant you trade him, you start working on the 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.120 next plan. And they didn't work on the next plan 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.480 until they well they started winning super Bowls, remember that. Yeah, 0:54:57.560 --> 0:54:59.759 But if but that was with Brady, and if you're 0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:01.920 not going to keep raiding the plan wasn't to keep him, 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:03.759 then you have to start working on the next guy 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:06.719 right away. They Yeah, they drafted Garoppolo and then they 0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:11.040 won three more Super Bowls. All right, let's uh, after 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:16.000 you trade Garoppolo, that's when you need the next play. 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.200 They screwed that up too, thank you. They should have 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:20.120 traded him before the drew. You want to give him 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:21.879 a pass because there's a well, they did have a plan. 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:24.640 It was Garoppolo, Okay, but bet then you trade. I 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:26.480 think we all recognized that they had a plan for 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:28.720 twenty plus years. That plan was to have the greatest 0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:30.800 player who's ever played the game be the quarterback so 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:33.400 you can win six titles. That was the plan, and 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:35.960 it worked, and it worked a perfection. Thank you, Freddie. 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:38.160 All right, Marcus Jones just got the wind knocked out 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:39.880 of him, and he said, okay, that makes sense. I 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:42.919 thought maybe the pebbles came up. Somebody said somebody said 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:44.600 that in the booth. I'm like, I didn't get the 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:46.640 win knocked out of him. I liked the I like 0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:49.920 the pebble theory. I'm sticking with the pebble theory, regardless 0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.560 of what Marcus just sebbles in the eyes, right right, 0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:57.239 all right, bam bamble, say thank you to cyber Reason 0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:59.960 presenters of the Patriots post game show. Great defenders don't 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:03.080 just playing on the field, They're also protecting your company 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:06.719 and data. Cyber Reason on a mission to end ransomware 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.640 and keep your business undefeated against cyber attacks. Learn more 0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:14.479 at cyberreason dot com Slash ransom bonus Phone call time 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:19.640 with Deshaun from Virginia. DeShawn, what do you have for us? Hello, 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:25.480 guys one Pierre. How's it going? Good? Good? Okay. The 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:27.520 more I look at these games throughout the season, um, 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.480 I can most definitely concur what you guys about Bill Bulichick, 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:32.560 you know, being a pretty solid coach, in which he is. 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:35.000 But the more I look at these games, it just 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:37.240 proves my point even more, like they just get somebody 0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:41.400 else to make the personal decisions, you know, as far 0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:44.880 as drafting, both dropping and free agency, because look at 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.040 the team that I think it's just making a few 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:48.759 changes here and there on both sides of the ball, 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.120 like get certain players whatever that I think they can 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.960 really compete. You know, I have a good side competing 0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:55.960 in the playoffs next year. I get it. Get some 0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:58.359 good players on both sides of the ball. I agree, yeah, 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.640 that talented few. Let's let's go back to what that 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:03.719 would undoubtedly do it. Let's go back to what the 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:07.399 owner said in the off season about how Bill does 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:13.279 things sometimes in an unorthodox way, you know, and that 0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:17.080 includes personnel. And we all agree that Bill has a 0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:20.920 great football mind and he's a great coach. He doesn't 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:24.360 need to be unorthodox. That's the problem. Just you know, 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:27.560 pick the best guy or you know, do the and 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:31.640 like your great mind will be the advantage. You don't 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:36.000 need to be unorthodox to create the advantage. In what 0:57:36.200 --> 0:57:40.560 way is he being unorthodox personnel? You know, deciding to 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:44.000 make the off you know, Matt Patricia, the offensive cornate, 0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:47.200 whatever it is, any any decision that is, you know, like, 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:52.160 that's weird. You know, he doesn't need to do that. 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:54.560 His mind is what gives you the advantage. To me, 0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:56.880 that's the only weird one. Though. The other ones I 0:57:56.960 --> 0:58:00.040 think are just from a lack of planning or a 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:03.920 lack of an ability to draft better. Yeah, I think 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.440 that was I'm sorry. I can't I can't give him 0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:09.760 credit for being eccentric when I think it's just no, 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.920 that's inept. Well a couple of inept draft and I 0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:15.000 think some of that is like that period where he, 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:17.960 you know, decided I'm just gonna pick you know, from 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:21.320 coaches I like in college or you know, that type 0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:23.200 of thing. I mean, I'm starting to get to the 0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:25.760 point where and I, you know, one hundred percent agree 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:27.720 with the draft is a major problem. But I'm also 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.480 wondering now lack of development. I mean, are we even 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:33.080 sure that these drafts are as bad as we're saying. 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.280 Our guys just not developing because they're not getting the 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:38.720 developmental coaching that they're needing either, I mean, because you're 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:42.680 seeing some guys look pretty good last year progressing now. 0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:44.400 I don't know, I don't know where it is. I 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:46.280 just I think that's the heart of the matter. You 0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:47.920 didn't you don't draft, you don't have you know, you 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.640 don't have that elite talent right now. Um, Oh, we 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:52.840 haven't talked to Speed. Well, we didn't talk to him 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:55.560 in the pregame. We're talking to him now though, postgame. Speed, 0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:59.560 what's up, buddy, Hey, that's going Yeah, Mike, I really 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:02.960 appreciate your point about the development issue. You've hit that 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:04.640 a couple of times this season. It'll be a fun 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:09.120 off season topic. Don't know that's fun, but um that 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:12.520 what is it? Two minutes to go and you're down 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:15.600 by four and I think the Bengals had no timeouts. 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.720 I understand, and they're often have been kind of sputtering 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:21.880 in the second half, But I still thought to myself, 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:25.480 maybe maybe just just let the Patriots into the end 0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:27.400 zone and then you'll drive it down. You'll be able 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.000 to score them because you have a great quarterback. And 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.200 at that moment, I was like, wait a minute, the 0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:37.040 Patriots have a very very well established bad red zone offense. 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:39.680 Why would we can stop these guys? And then lo 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:42.200 and behold, the Patriots found a way to stop themselves. 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.240 It's like, yeah, I guess My question with that is, like, 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.920 to what extent were they hampered by the lack of 0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:50.720 a passing game in the red zone that they had 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:52.520 to keep pounding the ball, had to keep running it. 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:54.560 Do you guys agree with the way that they call 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:58.040 those players on the ground in that last drive them Well, 0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:00.480 I think once they got the first down, okay, now 1:00:00.720 --> 1:00:03.080 all bets are off. You don't have to keep running, 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:05.880 you know, but like get that first out, give yourself, 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:09.600 you know, four plays. I just think they're still in 1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:12.200 their own head at this point, that they're just overthinking 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:14.920 everything and swinging one way or swinging the other, and 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:19.480 the results are just as disjointed as it feeds on itself. 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:23.000 It's a it's an unsure of yourself, filmal coaching to 1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:27.160 the players. It's it really is. It's um you know. 1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:29.400 I don't want to call it a cancer, but it's 1:00:29.520 --> 1:00:31.520 it festers. I mean, do you feel like it feeds 1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:33.400 into like the lack of an identity and lack of 1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:35.640 knowing who we are, lack of knowing like what we 1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:38.760 can do in a certain situation, believing in ourselves. I 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:40.720 don't know who we are. We're gonna run what player? 1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:43.280 Are we running for? This? All right? Let's as you 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:45.280 go to player, where's he been? All? You know? Like 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:47.120 that's why I said it is not good show. It's 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:48.720 just it's just it's just it's a sign of good 1:00:48.760 --> 1:00:50.800 as guys. I'm not saying this is like even if 1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:53.000 they're with a great offensive coordinator, all fights that, I 1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:54.760 don't know that they're a top ten offense in the league. 1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:58.120 But they're better than a better than an aptitude that 1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:00.800 they're showing, So m real quick before you do that. 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:02.720 There was another pool report, so it wouldn't be a 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:05.720 Patriots game without a pool reporter. Mike Reese talked to 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:10.000 Craig Rolstead, who was the referee today. How much consideration 1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:12.200 was there a blowing the fumble play with New England 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:15.160 running back from Marty Stevenson dead due to forward progress 1:01:15.240 --> 1:01:17.080 being stopped, so exactly the question that the four of 1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:19.360 us had. Yes, Roll said said, in order to have 1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:22.000 forward progress, the runner has to be controlled by the defense. 1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:24.280 He has to be held in controlled and basically have 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:26.800 his feet taken away. We felt that he still had 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:28.560 his feet, so we did not feel that he was 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:31.360 held in controlled by the defense. He was still free 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:33.800 to gain yardage. And then also obviously there was a 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:36.200 chance that he could fumble. Yeah. See, I'm not crazy. 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:40.760 I don't. I wasn't upset about that. I like the explanation. 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:42.440 I mean, it seems like he had a checklist, and 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:44.840 I think Fred just put it right. Like, I don't 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:47.960 think it rises to the level of being pissed off. No, right, 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:51.200 But I'm just telling you I've seen guys sort of 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:54.320 corralled like that and the whistle blows, Well, what is 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:56.600 your definition of still has his feet because he was 1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:59.200 still moving, still moving. He watched the replay, He's still 1:01:59.280 --> 1:02:02.160 moving his feet, still trying to break tackles. So so 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:05.120 he has to be lifted off the ground like you're 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:07.360 controlled and you're no longer moving like I'll give you 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:09.800 an example. On the same drive, Hold on one second. 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:13.919 On the same drive, about four plays earlier, on first down, 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:16.800 there was a play called and he was completely corralled, 1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.040 and Freddie, you'll know the player I'm talking about, because 1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:21.320 all of a sudden, the pile moved forward like a 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:23.000 like a yard and it went from like a five 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:25.040 yard game to a six yard game or five yard 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:27.120 game to a seven yard game because everybody just all 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:29.400 of a sudden started moving him forward. He was clearly 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:32.920 corralled and stopped. But if you blow the whistle, now 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:35.840 you take away the yardage that he gets. That's why 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:38.400 I think Freddy's saying, like, yeah, I'm not really pissed 1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:40.520 off that they didn't, like there was a slim chance 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:42.800 he could have like broken free. But if he sports 1:02:42.800 --> 1:02:44.240 out the side, runs into the end zone, and they 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:46.880 blow the whistle. Now you're pissed off that they they 1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:48.960 called it too early. I'm not that pissed about it. 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:53.640 I just I think there is a time to say, look, 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:57.320 he's being moved backwards here and there. If there are 1:02:57.360 --> 1:02:59.920 guys on either side of him that are helped move 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:02.840 him backwards, is he really going to squirt loose? And 1:03:03.120 --> 1:03:05.200 the only reason why I say it is not because 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:08.960 it hurt the Patriots today, is because I I think 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:10.960 we look at these games every single week and say, 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:13.280 that guy's gonna get killed. You know, if you're moving 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:16.760 him backwards like that, that's my thought, that's where that's 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:19.480 where these guys take colacious hits. And now you're asking 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:21.640 them to take extra ones, why not even just and 1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:24.000 they're not in a position to defend themselves. It's like 1:03:24.080 --> 1:03:26.320 the defenseless receiver, but the running back he just get killed. 1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:28.400 And it's a different role for the quarterbacks. That's a 1:03:28.520 --> 1:03:31.840 quarterback man that they're gonna they're gonna blow that dead 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:34.360 on a quarterback because the quarterback isn't fighting for yards. 1:03:34.640 --> 1:03:36.680 That's that's the difference. But I have seen that, I'm 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:40.000 with Hardy, I have seen that play blown dead. Absolutely. 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:43.120 I've seen that play. I'll never forget the one in Carolina. 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:46.240 It was the Kuki hold game. Yeah. Um, there was 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:50.640 a play earlier that they they stopped the Patriots because 1:03:50.680 --> 1:03:53.320 of forward progress and I always living it was just 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:57.240 a bad call and then he fumbled. No, oh James, 1:03:57.440 --> 1:03:59.400 he broke free and he ran. Thank you for your 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:04.760 patience anyone. Paul was yelling at me, go ahead, get 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.640 even a gentleman, thank you for having me again. Um. 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:12.520 I think when I think about the Brady situation and 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:16.440 Belichick and just the team as it current years now, 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:21.680 I think historically with Bill Belichick, he has this there's 1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:26.600 no I in team decision making where I believe besides 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:30.919 of money. Um, Blady, you know, to me, at least 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:34.680 he left because I mean, he didn't have the personnel 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:37.360 that could have been brought to New England. And you 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:40.960 can see his frustration through the two Guys nineteen season. 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:47.919 And I think furthermore, she doesn't really give those contracts 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:51.919 out that certain guys want that may have earned them, 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:56.280 and let walk out the door a bit earlier than they, 1:04:56.840 --> 1:05:01.200 you know, would have if he gave those contracts. And 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:08.520 I think with the defense, what key people. Do you 1:05:08.680 --> 1:05:12.120 think that he could build off of, um, you know, 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:15.760 in the future, with like a certain personnel that he 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:19.160 already has, because I'm afraid that he may make some 1:05:19.280 --> 1:05:23.760 more disappointing decisions where he will just let guys go 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:27.200 and you know, rather than just like, hey, maybe if 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:32.480 you somebody already have, then you can build upon that one. Well, yeah, 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:35.680 I mean, I like, I hope they keep Myers, you know, 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:38.840 I think he's worth keeping. And but there's really not 1:05:38.960 --> 1:05:41.000 a lot of high end talent. I mean, I hope 1:05:41.040 --> 1:05:44.520 they keep Jude on, you know, but they need they 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:47.440 need infusion of high end specifically. I think event the 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:51.080 defense too. Cornerback Jonathan Jones is a free agent, and 1:05:51.160 --> 1:05:53.040 we're talking about how thin it is to have to 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:56.000 have a five eight guy and Marcus Jones covering big guys. 1:05:57.160 --> 1:05:59.360 Jonathan Jones has done a lot for you as an 1:05:59.400 --> 1:06:01.720 outside corner this year. I mean, I don't think it 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:04.360 would be as big a loss as like even losing 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:07.280 JC Jackson last year. It was, But now if you 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:10.160 lose Jackson and then you know, it was Gilmore and 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:13.400 Jackson and now Jonathan Jones, Right, you gotta you have 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:15.400 to stop the tiding at some point. I mean they 1:06:15.440 --> 1:06:18.000 were basically rolling three slot corners out there today. Like 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:19.320 I just I think you need a legit. They were 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:22.120 under man today outside cornerback. 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Everybody, you know, 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:11.360 everybody like I had a friend who had one. I 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:13.559 didn't really get into it, but yeah, my dad had one. 1:09:15.320 --> 1:09:17.320 Yeah that's right. And uh, you know, you had to 1:09:17.320 --> 1:09:19.240 come up with your handle, you know, a cool name. 1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:21.880 It's different than just listening to the police. Was your handle, Hardy? 1:09:22.320 --> 1:09:28.599 No I did. I didn't never see dad. Hey, Rob, 1:09:28.880 --> 1:09:32.000 what would your what would your CB handle be? Friend? Uh? 1:09:32.200 --> 1:09:39.360 Boss man? No? J Were you did you have like 1:09:39.479 --> 1:09:41.880 the Were you a ham radio operator in your in 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:43.840 your bedroom when you're a little kid. I can see 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:46.200 yet doing that. No, I've got Hey, don't don't you 1:09:46.280 --> 1:09:51.439 worry about when I was operating in it's another kind 1:09:51.439 --> 1:09:56.719 of ham. Paul is operating. Thank you hand radio, hand radio, 1:09:58.160 --> 1:10:01.200 you know, public good jokes? How about the vikings are 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:05.960 to the point of absurd. So what happened today? Sixty 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:07.519 one yard field goal in the last play they won 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:09.400 by three? Did they almost blow like what happened? No? 1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:11.720 I was like back and forth game all but that's 1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:15.679 just like they were eleven in ozh in one score games. 1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:20.719 They're gonna lose the first round of the playoffs. I'm sorry, 1:10:20.880 --> 1:10:22.920 I'm looking to see how he did on the on 1:10:23.040 --> 1:10:27.280 the picks today, we were all unders hardy, hardy, over 1:10:27.400 --> 1:10:29.439 under five, I mean five and one in the over under, 1:10:29.560 --> 1:10:31.320 thank you, thank you. I was four and two though, 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:34.920 so you didn't quite catch me. All right, All four 1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:38.120 teams from the NFC East, you're one and four have 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:40.920 a chance to make the playoffs. That's something. Would that 1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:44.080 be your first yeah? Because of you would need the 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:48.559 new the new wild card right playoff gami. How about 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:51.960 your your Jacksonville Jaguars sneaking into the fourth seat here 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:54.479 they are in first place now right, they have the 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:57.960 tiebreaker currently because they beat Tennessee. They're six and four 1:10:58.000 --> 1:10:59.920 and cards, so that's gonna be the game. I think 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:02.679 in week eighteen that they'll flex to the night game 1:11:03.000 --> 1:11:06.800 there because that's a winning get in game. H little 1:11:06.800 --> 1:11:09.280 worried does anybody heard anything about next? Next week's game 1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:12.200 has not been touched right, we're one o'clock. But I 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:14.880 did see something that they could theoretically move it late. 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:16.840 I think these games they have more time, maybe, Freddy. 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:20.040 So it's week seventeen, and I know week eighteen they 1:11:20.120 --> 1:11:22.760 wait till after the seventeen slate is done. That's the 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:24.640 only one. That's the only way. That's the only one. 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:27.120 Freddie for ten days, because I know you're all the 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:29.800 high levels. Next week we'll be back. Freddie's in all 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:32.559 the high level meetings. Hard, we don't know how fun, 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:35.120 just to just to know what's going on, be a 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:38.200 league official. Not Then when the NFL guys come in 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:40.519 and they say, you know something, Freddie gives them the 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:44.080 what for. Well, yeah, no, you're not doing that. Only 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:47.599 the most important people. And fred just gets up. He's like, hey, nobe, 1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:49.400 I don't even feel like anybody one of those guys. 1:11:49.479 --> 1:11:51.439 I heard that they were going to wear gray pants today, 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.840 so they came out and blew. I texted somebody who 1:11:53.920 --> 1:11:55.519 would know. I said, I thought they were wearing grays. 1:11:55.560 --> 1:11:57.720 It's like, no, they made a decision two days ago 1:11:57.840 --> 1:11:59.880 not to do it. I actually I was. I was 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:03.040 actually on that. Nobody told me, well, I saw. I 1:12:03.120 --> 1:12:05.280 saw a certain level higher up come around and say 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:08.519 no more throwbacks, no more put gray pants. They should 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:10.599 have was a great pants. That's why they lost. That's 1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:14.320 why Brandon and Atlanta. Before we hear from the head coach, 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:19.000 what do you got for us? Brandon? Man man, Oh, 1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:21.760 I know, I know it's so close to not being 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:25.439 sad Brandon today, but um, I just want to, like, 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:27.680 I have an analogy of cook analogy, and then I 1:12:27.800 --> 1:12:31.479 have like just a short statement. So this game was 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:33.400 like I don't know if any of y'all have ever 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:35.960 played like a little cousin or a little brother in 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:38.960 a video game and you're like, you know, you're about 1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:41.240 like fifty at the half. The next thing you know, 1:12:41.360 --> 1:12:44.880 you're like, I'm text on my phone and you know, 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:46.839 go get something to eat him or let the computer. 1:12:47.000 --> 1:12:49.360 Actually we're in a couple of plays. The next thing 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:51.280 you know, you look up, you're only up by like six, 1:12:51.400 --> 1:12:53.400 and then you're like, oh, okay, well I gotta get 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:56.000 serious again. And then of course, because he's only like 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.599 five or six, he does something stupid and you still 1:12:58.720 --> 1:13:02.720 end up winning. But um, yeah, I would say that. 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:06.960 The statement I have is like, um, I do think 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:10.800 Delichick is, you know, a great coach and can turn 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:15.320 this h franchise around. But I just hope, and I 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:17.800 mean he doesn't have ten twenty fifteen years to go, 1:13:18.040 --> 1:13:20.800 but I just hope it doesn't take longer than or 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:24.479 as long as that, because you know, we're spoilers Patriots fans, 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:28.080 So it's like, we need to get some competence back 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:30.640 in this offense, and we got to stop doing just 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:34.720 stupid stuff with penalties and and you know, fumbles and 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:37.960 and that later will play obviously will never happen again, 1:13:38.080 --> 1:13:40.679 but like that is something that would have never happened, 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:43.960 you know in the early two thousands or even in 1:13:44.040 --> 1:13:47.920 the late you know, the early twenty history of two 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:51.080 thousands of when we were you know, our second round. 1:13:52.120 --> 1:13:54.679 I'm just praying as a Patriots saying I love this team. 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:57.240 I never waiver, but I just I need them to 1:13:57.720 --> 1:14:02.080 get competent sooner than later. I think that's an unfair ask. Brand. Yeah, 1:14:02.080 --> 1:14:04.360 we're like, yeah, we're like one of those tech guys 1:14:04.560 --> 1:14:07.840 in the Internet boom and you know our Brady bubble 1:14:07.960 --> 1:14:11.080 burst and now you know we touched. We knew what 1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:12.720 would is like to be rich, and now we want 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:15.400 to get rich again. We're not pets dot Com. Yeah, 1:14:15.640 --> 1:14:19.960 I was thinking pets dot Com. Great minds due? How 1:14:20.040 --> 1:14:23.400 about that from pets dot Com? What am I missing? 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:26.000 Went really well? Until it didn't go really until they 1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:28.760 realized that it costs a lot to ship fifty pound 1:14:28.840 --> 1:14:32.360 bags of dog? And you probably shouldn't spend a billion 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:35.200 dollars in advertising before you've made a cent, right, because 1:14:35.520 --> 1:14:39.800 you shouldn't draft a guard in the first round. What 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:42.280 are we talking about? What are you doing? Your best 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:44.880 line every on this show? Speaking of great minds? Head 1:14:44.920 --> 1:14:49.200 coach Bill Belichick after the tents to the Bengals today 1:14:49.280 --> 1:14:52.479 at Gillette Stadium, Here he is and just not don'tough 1:14:52.600 --> 1:15:04.760 so disappointed? Result? Bill? We saw in the second half 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:07.000 the sort of impact that Kendrick Born can have when 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:09.040 he's made the focal point of the passing game. Why 1:15:09.120 --> 1:15:12.479 have the opportunities for him to be such a regular 1:15:12.560 --> 1:15:14.840 target in the offense been so few and far between 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:28.200 this year? Yeah, no particular reason. Hey, Bill, I'm just 1:15:28.280 --> 1:15:30.639 sort of curious what your impressions were of Joe Burrow 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:32.800 first time you faced him. First time he's faced you. 1:15:33.800 --> 1:15:35.519 Was it any different from what you've seen on film? 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:49.000 Oh no, that's the same on the Bengals one of 1:15:49.040 --> 1:15:53.040 their drives earlier, third and seventeen far from your sideline? 1:15:53.120 --> 1:15:55.879 Was there? How much consideration did you give to possibly 1:15:56.280 --> 1:15:58.920 challenging whether he came down and controlled the ball there? 1:16:01.000 --> 1:16:02.640 Didn't see anything that We'll give us a chance to 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:07.200 do that. And I'm at the end of the first half. 1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:10.200 At the end of the first half, can you explain 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:12.960 just sort of the sequence there where you had the 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:15.439 quick pass and then took a time out and then 1:16:15.560 --> 1:16:23.559 kneeled from what was behind that thought process. Let's see 1:16:23.600 --> 1:16:25.560 what happened at the end of the sandwichter gain on 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:28.160 that play and in the end, didn't feel like it 1:16:28.320 --> 1:16:34.920 was really so much we could do there. Hey Bill, 1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:38.280 you made adjustments in the second half. Defense played great. Um, 1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:41.240 what was a big change there in the second half, 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:44.400 you know after giving up twenty two points? Yeah, no 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:52.320 big change, same calls, hy bell Um. What have you 1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:56.679 seen from Marcus Jones and how he's progressed this season? Yeah, 1:16:56.760 --> 1:16:59.080 he's talked about him a lot. He's done a good 1:16:59.120 --> 1:17:01.479 job for us. A little bit more each week and 1:17:01.680 --> 1:17:10.960 some play of defense over You're going right, Bill, You've 1:17:11.000 --> 1:17:14.720 repeatedly taken responsibility for the offense this season. When you 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:17.040 don't cross midfield till the end of the third quarter, 1:17:17.600 --> 1:17:19.800 you get twelve points here today. How much of that 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:23.760 is your responsibility? Your players were well positioned enough to 1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:36.240 win today. On the head coach, Bill, you said it 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:37.920 was the same call as in the second half. Obviously, 1:17:38.040 --> 1:17:39.519 Joe Burrow had a great first half. He threw for 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:42.280 two hundred and eighty four yards and three touchdowns. So 1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:44.600 was the second half you guys slowing him down or 1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:50.960 was that the Bengals stopping themselves. I don't know. Call 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:53.960 it whatever you want. I want to know what you 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:58.360 call it. I'm gonna shot about in the second half 1:17:58.400 --> 1:18:04.880 to play a good defense. Call whatever you want. The left, Bill, 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:06.240 what can you do? How do how do you make 1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:09.240 sure that the players stayed together these final two weeks 1:18:09.240 --> 1:18:19.080 of the season. Here do we've been doing? Coach? Had 1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:21.760 four straight runs there? Us you guys got in the 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:25.719 red zone on the offensive final drive. Was running clock 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:32.160 also a consideration there? Or just simply trying to score? Yeah, 1:18:32.240 --> 1:18:33.960 we'll trying to score and trying to control the clock, 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:36.479 yet they used their time out, so you know, we're 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:39.880 control of the clock and in the field position. You know, 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:48.600 on the last was the first down play? What was 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:51.479 the Bengals defense able to do to slow down your 1:18:51.520 --> 1:18:55.519 group for three quarters? And you couldn't convert up there 1:18:55.560 --> 1:18:57.200 down the first half, so that was that was the 1:18:57.240 --> 1:19:05.599 biggest problem. Yeah, all right, and there goes the head coach, 1:19:05.720 --> 1:19:08.160 which is brought to you by Microsoft. Surface, the official 1:19:08.240 --> 1:19:11.640 sideline technology provider and laptop of the NFL and the 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:14.360 New England Patriots, provides players and coaches with the tools 1:19:14.439 --> 1:19:16.360 to succeed both on and off the field. Check out 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:19.439 the powerful Surface Pro eight, combining the power of a 1:19:19.520 --> 1:19:23.439 laptop with the flexibility of a tablet at Surface dot com. 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:27.120 A little uh well, little testy back and forth a 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:30.680 couple of times there, you guys only scored twelve points offensively? 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:33.080 How much of that is on you? And his answer 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:35.559 was the head coach all of it and just put 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:40.400 it all on him. Also the the Chris Gasper exchange 1:19:40.479 --> 1:19:44.200 there with you know the different you feel, Yeah, don't 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:46.519 know what you call it. What changed in the second half, 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:50.920 you know with Burrow and was it you or things 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:53.599 that the Bengals did to themselves. Call it whatever you want. 1:19:53.880 --> 1:19:57.120 I want to know what you call it. Call whatever 1:19:57.200 --> 1:20:01.320 you want, all right, Yeah, and you know we talked, Yeah, 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:04.240 we talked a little bit about, you know, the defense 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:07.439 in the second half. And it's inarguable that they got 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:09.360 shot out in the second half. The Bengals did. So 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:12.040 you could say, well, the Patriots made some improvements in that. 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:16.040 I'm sorry, I can't give you the Patriots offense suddenly 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:18.679 caught fire in the second half. I can't, I can't. 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:21.679 I know that they scored some points in the second half. 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:26.840 Six of them were a picked six and six of 1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:29.040 them were a hail Mary. I mean, call it what 1:20:29.120 --> 1:20:31.719 it was. That's a hail Mary on third and whatever. 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:38.960 I think it was twenty nine after the penaltif again, 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:41.240 I can I can live with Fred, you know, saying, well, 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:43.120 you know, they shout them out in the second half. 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:45.120 They had to do something right. I mean, I personally 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:47.760 think the Bengals just dropped a bunch of passes and 1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:49.920 committed a bunch of penalties and started fumbling the ball. 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:52.599 But shout out to shout out, like I can tell 1:20:52.640 --> 1:20:55.519 you that Joe Burrow only had one hundred yards in 1:20:55.560 --> 1:20:57.320 the second half after having two hundred and eighty in 1:20:57.320 --> 1:20:59.719 the first half. So I can say Patriots, but defense 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:01.640 was in the second half. Yeah, I can't tell you 1:21:01.680 --> 1:21:04.240 the Patriots offense did anything better in the second half 1:21:04.280 --> 1:21:06.080 of the They would bad and bolt and that's the 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:08.439 other bad. I would really push back on Paul Is 1:21:08.720 --> 1:21:11.160 because yeah, and I'm fine with that. You know, at 1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:13.280 the beginning, I don't think you even wanted to give 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:16.559 them the defense much credit in the second half because 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:19.760 I personally don't. But I understand. Yeah, I totally can 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:23.840 understand the argument. Yeah, even the interception, which was a 1:21:24.080 --> 1:21:26.479 bad throw by Burrow, good call. It was a good 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:29.320 play play call. They win zero blitz and they got 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:33.200 Burrow on his back foot throwing it there. Give him 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:36.360 credit for that. Absolutely, Okay, absolutely, all right, Now we 1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:39.400 step aside. Now we step aside again, and we'll get 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:41.880 ready to hear from mac Jones here in a few minutes. Now, Again, 1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:45.439 if you're looking back on this game months from now 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:48.680 or next year, and you kind of forget the particulars 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:51.040 of it, this is another game, will you look at 1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:54.519 the numbers from mac Jones and say, oh, not too bad, right, 1:21:54.560 --> 1:21:57.560 what were his numbers? What wasn't an awful day? Of 1:21:57.640 --> 1:21:59.519 course they just went away. Amy here, I want to 1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:01.200 say it like two twenty two of thirty one, about 1:22:01.240 --> 1:22:03.400 two hundred and forty yards. Ye, two to thirty one, 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:05.720 that's right, two twenty two okay, yeah, yeah, you're right. 1:22:05.760 --> 1:22:07.960 I mean statistically, the numbers would tell you he had 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:11.680 a good touchdown. Tell you had two touch that's acceptable, right, 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:15.000 the two john Again, if you take out forty eight yards, 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:19.080 was his play acceptable today? No, it was not good. 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:22.120 I said, But if you look at the numbers, and again, 1:22:22.240 --> 1:22:24.840 if you go strict, you know this column it says this, 1:22:25.000 --> 1:22:27.280 it is passer rating. I'm sure it was in triple figures. Yeah, 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:30.160 two forty and two touchdowns with no picks. I mean, 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:33.160 I mean that that's one hundred plus passer rating. I bad. 1:22:33.160 --> 1:22:34.439 I don't see it. I don't have in front of 1:22:34.439 --> 1:22:37.200 it is one of five points. Yes, but I agree 1:22:37.200 --> 1:22:39.080 with Fred, I don't think it was very good. 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Ultimately, they may 1:24:45.880 --> 1:24:47.840 have punched their ticket out of the postseason because of 1:24:47.960 --> 1:24:51.599 abject stupidity Ender France. Go ahead, live from our studios 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:59.160 inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy back on the Patriots postgame 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:02.280 Show presented by Cybery's in twenty two eighteen. Patriots fall 1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:05.439 to the Bengals today at Ailed Stadium. Before we hear 1:25:05.479 --> 1:25:14.839 from Mac, We're gonna hear from George in Los Angeles, Hi, George, George, George. 1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:18.160 I'm gonna give you the goodbye George, goodbye, George. It's 1:25:18.160 --> 1:25:23.400 another hearty call. You know what, a lot of people 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:25.200 want to talk and they'll hold on for a long 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:29.000 time and then eventually they fall asleep. D in Baltimore, 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:34.120 what's up? D? How you guys doing good? So I 1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:36.880 got a question, do you guys think it's time to 1:25:37.000 --> 1:25:41.519 reramp the whole coaches, fans, the whole coaching staff. Well, 1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:43.880 if Bill goes, it will be revamped. But I don't 1:25:43.920 --> 1:25:47.360 think Bill's going so, but I do think on offense 1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:51.160 they need to make some changes. Absolutely, yes, I think 1:25:51.200 --> 1:25:53.559 they need to bring some people outside of who Bill 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:57.439 knows because he don't want to bring nobody in because 1:25:57.479 --> 1:25:59.320 he wanted to be in control. So I guess him 1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:01.559 being stuck in it way, you just starting hurt the franchise. 1:26:01.800 --> 1:26:03.840 That's a theory. A lot of people agree with you. 1:26:04.200 --> 1:26:06.599 I love that theory. And Bill O'Brien. Oh, let's get 1:26:06.640 --> 1:26:09.880 Bill O'Brien in here. No, no, no, no no, we 1:26:09.960 --> 1:26:13.960 need somebody differently, Thank you, thank you, d thank you. Yeah. 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:16.759 But at least Bill O'Brien will will stick up for himself, 1:26:17.320 --> 1:26:20.439 you know. Change. And Bill still think he's the smartest 1:26:20.479 --> 1:26:23.639 person in the room. Well he is, usually it ain't 1:26:23.680 --> 1:26:27.240 no more and that's what's starting to hurt him. So 1:26:27.360 --> 1:26:30.720 I think it's time to something different. Okay, I think 1:26:30.720 --> 1:26:33.280 a lot of people agree with you. D uh and 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:36.760 sorry about that turn your mic on. Yeah, I think 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:39.040 it's kind of funny that there seems to be no 1:26:39.200 --> 1:26:41.760 in between with this. Yeah, there's a lot of people 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:44.920 that feel like that that it's time, We'll just it's 1:26:44.960 --> 1:26:46.960 just time. And then there's other people that are like, 1:26:47.040 --> 1:26:49.759 how dare you even suggest it? There's no real in between, 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:52.040 Like I don't really love the direction of the team, 1:26:52.120 --> 1:26:55.320 and I still think Bill could coach, but well he's 1:26:56.600 --> 1:26:59.800 not that. That's when when remember when Bill's you know, 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:02.280 they asked him why he drafted rappol and he said, 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:05.960 you know, with Tom's age and the you know, contracts contract, 1:27:06.240 --> 1:27:08.240 do you think the Crafts have a plan as we 1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:15.560 sit right now? Oh, with Bill to replace, I have 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:17.320 to think they have a couple of guys in there. Yeah, 1:27:17.360 --> 1:27:19.439 let's just say Bill decided to leave, Like that's it, 1:27:19.760 --> 1:27:21.439 I'm done. Did you ever ask him when you're in 1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:24.800 your high level meetings? They wouldn't tell me. Sprought it 1:27:24.920 --> 1:27:27.639 up randomly, what the rob But I've been meaning to ask, 1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:32.479 what's the plan that the conversation I have like a 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:34.880 couple of names in mind, They're not gonna I think 1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:37.880 in the preseason the conversation was part of the plan. 1:27:38.080 --> 1:27:40.360 Was Matt Patricia would take over the team. That's why, 1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:43.720 that's why you bring him, that's why you bring him 1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:46.439 back in this capacity. And Bill brought him back. Yeah, 1:27:46.520 --> 1:27:50.720 I don't. I mean that's without telling ownership. Yeah, it 1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:54.120 didn't cost him any money, that's care being. It's a 1:27:54.240 --> 1:27:57.000 very common theory, and I know it's it's it's out there, 1:27:57.040 --> 1:28:00.200 and I know somebody really strongly at your station believes 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:04.000 in that. I don't. I don't buy it either. I 1:28:04.040 --> 1:28:06.120 don't buy it. I look, I don't buy it either. 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:08.280 And even if there was an inkling that that could 1:28:08.360 --> 1:28:12.320 take place. I don't want Matt Patricia anywhere near this 1:28:12.439 --> 1:28:14.559 team next year. I don't want himself. I don't want 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:16.720 him in the Earnie, I don't. I just don't think 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:19.800 he's in the right position. He's not. He's not an 1:28:19.840 --> 1:28:23.200 offensive and you would have to convince me what position 1:28:23.479 --> 1:28:26.479 is right for him. How about the yes, the Mike 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:31.160 might do so up in the not seen he was 1:28:31.240 --> 1:28:34.040 doing that on the mind last year, two years ago. Yeah, 1:28:34.200 --> 1:28:37.080 how'd that work out for you? Was last year? Yeah? 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:39.080 Last year? Yeah, I don't know. I didn't care it. 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:40.920 We didn't have to hear, did you not see any 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:43.880 of the games last year. I can recap them for you. 1:28:45.040 --> 1:28:47.640 They looked good against a bunch of average talent and 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:49.280 when it came. But is that because you didn't have 1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:52.519 the right communication coming down like just to win, to 1:28:52.840 --> 1:28:56.800 like call time out or something like here, I don't 1:28:56.800 --> 1:28:58.920 want him on offense, I don't want him back on defense. 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:01.400 Might just do the why am I? Why am I 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:04.600 mean for calling out? Look, he was part of a 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:08.360 great run here and and we thought Matt was, you know, 1:29:08.439 --> 1:29:10.880 doing a great job defensively. And then when Brian Flores 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:14.240 took over, the defense actually looked better. Matt had a 1:29:14.320 --> 1:29:16.240 chance to run his own team at Detroit and it 1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:23.760 was a total failure. Oh okay, comes back back here 1:29:24.400 --> 1:29:26.800 with you know, to run the offensive line and to 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:29.799 run the offense, and it's a it's a complete disaster. 1:29:30.280 --> 1:29:34.200 Over the last eight years, what year did the offense 1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:37.000 look the best? I mean, the defense looked the best. 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:41.160 Twenty eighteen, No fourteen, when they had reeves to me, 1:29:41.400 --> 1:29:44.200 you asked me a question. I gave you the talent. Okay, 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:47.000 they had talent in twenty fourteen. The best and that's 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:52.599 the best defense played was eighteen. You've you've you're contradicting yourself, Paul, 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:55.960 because you told you you've no, I'm not yes. Because 1:29:56.000 --> 1:29:58.599 you said eighteen didn't give up forty one to Kansas City. 1:29:58.840 --> 1:30:03.000 You said all of a sudden, Yeah, you said all 1:30:03.000 --> 1:30:04.680 of a sudden. The only game they played well was 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:06.599 in the Super Bowl. You said they stunk leading up. 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:08.120 I didn't say that that was the only game the 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:11.200 defense played well. I said, the offense carried you to 1:30:11.360 --> 1:30:14.120 the super Bowl except for the Super except the actual 1:30:14.200 --> 1:30:16.719 game because of the defense. Wasn't that good? You said? 1:30:17.040 --> 1:30:19.479 You said that that is so hypocritical, said, that's not 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:23.320 what I said. That often when they people say that 1:30:23.400 --> 1:30:25.880 they won they won the Super Bowl last time because 1:30:25.920 --> 1:30:28.240 the defense, And I said, that's not true. You said 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:31.160 their offense was phenomenal in the playoffs except for the 1:30:31.240 --> 1:30:33.880 Super Bowl. I didn't say anything bad about what the 1:30:34.000 --> 1:30:37.040 defense did in the Super Bowl that year, but the 1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:39.360 defense was that that was the best year of deep 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:42.320 point is that, Matt, everybody thinks that Mapatris was this 1:30:42.479 --> 1:30:48.920 terrible defensive coach. You know, wasn't That's like you? I 1:30:49.000 --> 1:30:51.120 see I hear that all the time. You make fun 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:53.240 of me for coming up with the strong and the 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:56.080 straw Man arguments. That's the ultimate straw man argument. Are 1:30:56.080 --> 1:30:59.120 you kidding me? I hear it over and he stunk 1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:03.720 on defense. He can't do anything. I think he replacement 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:06.000 was better than him. That doesn't mean he stuck. And 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:08.320 I think he gets too much credit for the defense, 1:31:08.400 --> 1:31:13.519 sometimes from himself responsible for Super Bowl history Tree, when 1:31:13.840 --> 1:31:17.560 if there's any argument that prevails, it's not that Patricia 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:21.439 Patricia stunk on defense, is that it's Bill's defense that's right, 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:24.680 and whoever's he's just doing what Bills. So what do 1:31:24.720 --> 1:31:26.760 you want to bring him back doing anything? For? What 1:31:26.960 --> 1:31:29.599 has he proven that he can do on his own? 1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:32.760 Forgetting the Lions hate here? What is he proven that 1:31:32.840 --> 1:31:37.320 he can do on his own? Just piling on what 1:31:39.360 --> 1:31:45.800 you're saying that, like you know, I know Cookie, you're 1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:48.080 saying that, you know, the teams that were interested in 1:31:48.360 --> 1:31:51.240 him as a head coach was simply because he came 1:31:51.320 --> 1:31:55.200 from Bill's tree. Well, that I actually agree with. I mean, 1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:58.479 what did Eric Mangini do? I think he actually was. 1:31:58.680 --> 1:32:00.200 I think he gets drummed out of the lead, but 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:03.360 I think he was actually a pretty good coach. Eric Mangini, 1:32:03.880 --> 1:32:05.360 do you want Bill O'Brien to come back. I mean 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:07.960 Eric Mangini, he got like a job out of here 1:32:08.000 --> 1:32:10.280 as like the safety's coach, like and then they made 1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:12.720 him like a coordinator for a year. Embody was going 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:14.880 to leave to be the raiders of a defensive coordinator. 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:18.040 We blocked him. Yeah, like that's just because you're with 1:32:18.160 --> 1:32:20.559 the Patriots. Sorry, do you want Bill O'Brien to come back? 1:32:21.880 --> 1:32:24.680 If if if that, if my choice is him or 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:27.439 Patricia again, I want Bill O'Brien. So what do you want? 1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:30.200 And don't you don't have to say like a name, yeah, 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:32.720 because that's not that's not our job. I want an 1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:35.960 infusion the talent in the offensive coaching. Yeah, So you 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:40.120 want somebody knew from the outside, that's got a fresh perspective, 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:42.960 somebody who can get the best out of talent. Yeah, 1:32:42.960 --> 1:32:45.280 I want somebody else. But you don't think that's Bill O'Brien. No, 1:32:45.360 --> 1:32:47.120 it could be, like I said, if it was between 1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:50.160 him and Patricia, I want Bill O'Brien. I want somebody else. 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:52.439 And and I hear what d was saying. You know, 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:54.479 he's afraid that someone's gonna come in and they're just 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:56.599 gonna be a yes man. I don't think Bill O'Brien 1:32:56.680 --> 1:33:00.240 would be I think he talks back. I don't know 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:01.960 how much you talked back to Bill though he talked 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:05.640 back to Brady. That's Mack. Yeah. Oh god, that that 1:33:05.680 --> 1:33:07.600 could be very quickly, Will. And then we'll get to 1:33:07.680 --> 1:33:11.400 mac Jones Will in Hawaii? What's up? Will? Oh? How 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:14.200 you guys doing? You took my call? Yeah? Are you 1:33:14.280 --> 1:33:18.599 on the beach? Are you on the beach? Will? I'm 1:33:18.680 --> 1:33:23.000 not I'm asking in my backyard? Are you hanging ten again? 1:33:23.200 --> 1:33:25.640 Are you hanging ten? It's Christmas? Eve? Can we can? 1:33:25.720 --> 1:33:27.720 We even let him get his point out and then 1:33:27.760 --> 1:33:32.559 we can all go home. Now, here's the thing, guys 1:33:32.760 --> 1:33:35.320 made my call at the first time because since we're 1:33:35.360 --> 1:33:39.040 all discussing what we want, okay, yeah, I want day 1:33:39.160 --> 1:33:42.439 leaves appy, all right. So that's point number one. The 1:33:42.560 --> 1:33:46.120 second point is you guys already kind of hit on it. Um. 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:50.920 I don't want mac Jones's numbers to confuse people out there. 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:54.000 I don't because there was kind of a slighter hand 1:33:54.040 --> 1:33:56.720 in this game. Yeah, we're not going to we just 1:33:56.800 --> 1:34:00.639 talked about that. Well, that won't happen. And thank you guys, 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:03.960 because I yeah, I heard that, And the second thing 1:34:04.000 --> 1:34:06.280 I wanted to say is, Um, as much as I 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:09.680 want Bailey's Appy to play, I did not want him 1:34:09.720 --> 1:34:12.160 to come in at the half, even as bad as 1:34:12.200 --> 1:34:16.360 Mac Jones look, because um, yeah, I don't want Bailey's 1:34:16.360 --> 1:34:18.920 Appy to have, you know, the floppy. Second, I want 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:21.240 him to start. I want him to get a full 1:34:21.360 --> 1:34:24.960 week with the starters, because when he's done that this year, 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:28.040 it's the only and I repeat, the only time I 1:34:28.160 --> 1:34:31.200 felt good about this team all year is when Bailey's 1:34:31.240 --> 1:34:35.080 Appy started. It's farewell, It's fair enough. And if you 1:34:35.160 --> 1:34:39.120 want to extrapolate that, one week isn't even enough. Zoe's 1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:40.920 talked about this a lot of you need three weeks. 1:34:41.120 --> 1:34:43.240 You need three weeks to you know, kind of get 1:34:43.320 --> 1:34:45.160 into that rhythm and do a week's worth of prep 1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:47.200 and then kind of go back on what you did 1:34:47.320 --> 1:34:49.439 wrong in that week and kind of do it again 1:34:49.680 --> 1:34:54.960 three weeks. So it's done for it's done for this season. Um, 1:34:55.120 --> 1:34:58.400 don't even look at him. We're not we want you. 1:34:58.680 --> 1:35:01.040 We want to talk about Bailey. Is that instead, we're 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:03.280 gonna we're gonna we're gonna talk about Mac Jones. And 1:35:03.400 --> 1:35:06.120 here from Mac Jones right now, Mac. With about six 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:07.679 and a half minutes to go in the third quarter, 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:11.040 the team had a total of about seventy yards total offense. 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:14.200 Obviously you finished with two eighty five, which means a 1:35:14.240 --> 1:35:17.720 lot of offense in the last eighteen twenty minutes or 1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:21.200 so of the game. What clicked? Was it different play calling, 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:25.120 personnel groupings, but what clicked in your eyes? Yeah, I think, Um, 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:29.080 obviously tough loss for us here. Um, definitely things I 1:35:29.160 --> 1:35:31.519 want to do better and just gotta keep working. Gotta 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:34.400 watch the film and keep working together. I think we 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:37.920 didn't quit. Um, we fought hard and at the end 1:35:37.960 --> 1:35:40.600 of the day, Um, we gotta score more points and 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:43.080 we got we got the ball moving a little bit, 1:35:43.160 --> 1:35:46.160 but I just want to capitalize and score more points. 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:49.360 So falls on me as a quarterback and super disappointing, 1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:52.400 but also a lot to look back on and realize 1:35:52.400 --> 1:35:54.800 that we have fighters on this team. Um, And that's 1:35:55.920 --> 1:35:57.680 tough to say in a loss, but we do. We 1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:00.120 have fighters on this team. I thought everybody on our 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:02.840 offense and defense and special teams fought to the end 1:36:02.920 --> 1:36:09.120 and um, yeah, Mac, just your interpretation or what led 1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:11.360 to you at the unsportsmail a penalty on you at 1:36:11.400 --> 1:36:14.639 the end. Yeah, I think, Um, obviously there's a little 1:36:14.640 --> 1:36:17.439 bit of a you know pile there and then the 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:20.400 ball scored it out actually into another pile. So I 1:36:20.479 --> 1:36:21.920 went over there and try to grab the ball at 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.360 a you know, save the game. So at the end 1:36:24.400 --> 1:36:26.320 of the day, you gotta take your chance and try 1:36:26.360 --> 1:36:29.680 and get the ball. And you got to compete for 1:36:29.760 --> 1:36:32.439 the ball because it's a live ball until somebody holds 1:36:32.479 --> 1:36:34.960 it up in the ear, So you gotta go get it. 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:40.160 And that's what I tried to do. And yeah, and Mac, 1:36:40.560 --> 1:36:42.920 we saw the impact that Kendrick had when he was 1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:44.760 a focal point of the offense. Why do you think 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:47.519 those opportunities where he's been getting the ball consistently in 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:50.200 big situations like that have come so few and far between, 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:52.920 especially when it comes to throwne downfield. Yeah, I think 1:36:53.040 --> 1:36:55.880 KB is just a he's a great teammate and he's 1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:59.080 one of my closest friends. Every time I've seen him, 1:36:59.080 --> 1:37:01.439 he's had a smile on his even in a situation 1:37:01.560 --> 1:37:03.280 like that, you know, at the end of the game 1:37:03.320 --> 1:37:05.240 where we're trying to fight back and there's a lot 1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:07.320 of pressure, he's in there kind of smiling, like, let's 1:37:07.320 --> 1:37:09.360 go do this. You know. So when you see that 1:37:09.479 --> 1:37:11.160 from a guy and you know I'm saying the same 1:37:11.200 --> 1:37:13.000 stuff in the huddle, you know, I want to look 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:14.560 for a guy like that who wants to compete and 1:37:14.640 --> 1:37:18.040 play and play with effort. So thought, he's one of 1:37:18.120 --> 1:37:20.719 those guys. And we have all those guys. The receivers 1:37:20.760 --> 1:37:23.240 did a great job. Obviously had some tight end injuries, 1:37:23.320 --> 1:37:25.679 and I hope those guys are okay. And the running 1:37:25.680 --> 1:37:29.400 backs competed, and Scottie went in there obviously did a 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:32.040 great job. That's a tough situation as a guy who 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:34.280 hasn't played all year jumps in there. So I thought 1:37:34.320 --> 1:37:37.960 the old line did good and just super disappointed and 1:37:38.640 --> 1:37:40.240 kind of watch it. You gotta watch the tape and 1:37:40.280 --> 1:37:43.479 grade yourself as an individual and then grade yourself as 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:46.120 an offense and as a team. So we're gonna do that. 1:37:46.240 --> 1:37:50.599 I think we just kind of move on from it. Mac. 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:52.920 When you've had a lot of crazy finishes this year 1:37:52.960 --> 1:37:55.240 as a team, when you look at this one, three 1:37:55.280 --> 1:37:58.439 time outs in the red zone, chance to score, obviously 1:37:58.520 --> 1:38:00.800 it's frustrating, but when you look back on it, it 1:38:00.920 --> 1:38:02.600 must be hard to believe you guys didn't punch it 1:38:02.680 --> 1:38:05.880 in there, right, Yeah, I think Um, first of all, 1:38:05.960 --> 1:38:08.040 no one probably believed that we would come back from 1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:11.400 twenty two points, but we fought and we're right there 1:38:11.520 --> 1:38:13.920 right you score, and it's a totally different game. So 1:38:14.479 --> 1:38:18.800 it's a tough situation. Just gotta execute better, falls on 1:38:18.920 --> 1:38:21.840 me and do things better then when we get the 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:25.080 ball back, just at that point, you gotta have better execution, 1:38:25.800 --> 1:38:27.080 you know, got to know where to go, got to 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:29.360 know where to throw it in that situation, there's not 1:38:29.360 --> 1:38:32.840 a lot of time. So just the same same thing. 1:38:32.920 --> 1:38:35.080 Just got to learn from it and be better at 1:38:35.120 --> 1:38:40.519 situational stuff. And starts with me, Hi mac Um, how 1:38:40.560 --> 1:38:42.439 do you feel Marcus Jones has been a spark for 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:45.639 you guys on all sides of the ball. I mean, yeah, 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:52.040 he's just ridiculous, great player, great teammate, explosive, lines up, 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:55.040 runs full speed on offense, lines up, goes full speed 1:38:55.120 --> 1:38:58.800 on defense, same thing on special teams. So um, love 1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:01.479 the guy. You know, bummed when you have a great 1:39:01.479 --> 1:39:03.240 performance like that, we can't pull out the win. So 1:39:03.960 --> 1:39:06.840 he's a great, great person, great player, and um, we 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:08.599 got a lot of good dudes. Like that on our team. 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:12.040 So it's tough when you lose, but falls on me 1:39:12.160 --> 1:39:14.560 as a quarterback and got to do things better. So 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:18.360 I know you're running and rolling out there. Did you 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:21.639 actually see the tip on the Jacoby Wires touchdown? Yeah, 1:39:22.840 --> 1:39:25.439 it's just a great play, So it was. It was 1:39:25.520 --> 1:39:28.799 good to see. That's an example of competing, right, Scottie 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:32.120 jumps up there, tries to make a play, then Jacobe's 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:35.240 right there waiting for it. So and the offensive line 1:39:35.280 --> 1:39:37.519 on that play when you watch it, did a great 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:40.680 job of just competing. Right. I rolled this way, I 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:43.280 rolled that way. They're throwing blocks left and right, So 1:39:43.720 --> 1:39:46.120 I love that for those guys. And at the end 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:48.440 of the day, just came up short and other situations 1:39:48.520 --> 1:39:50.800 and got to get off to a faster start and 1:39:51.560 --> 1:39:54.840 and maybe the game's a little bit different. So definitely disappointing. 1:39:55.160 --> 1:39:59.120 You know, hey, Mac, it looked like you guys are 1:39:59.200 --> 1:40:01.799 rolling with a lot of tip personnel. Initially, Hunter obviously 1:40:01.840 --> 1:40:03.640 goes down. Did his injury almost kind of put you 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:05.160 in a pickle there, knowing that might have been a 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:06.960 big part of the game plan. Yeah, I think Hunter 1:40:07.080 --> 1:40:09.240 is one of our best players. Same with John U 1:40:09.360 --> 1:40:12.160 and UM. When they're on the field together, it puts 1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:16.519 matchup issues on the defense and UM once again, Scottie 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:20.479 steps in there, hasn't played all year, probably didn't expect 1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:22.880 to be in that situation, but he planed for it 1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:25.840 and did the best he could. So UM, just proud 1:40:25.880 --> 1:40:27.880 of those guys. It shows you that that group is 1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:30.479 really well coached and and all of our guys are. 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:33.960 So we just gotta do better and execute the plays 1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:38.960 better and all that stuff. Back on the on the 1:40:39.040 --> 1:40:41.360 forty eight yard touchdown pass, Just how much pride do 1:40:41.439 --> 1:40:45.280 you put, you know, in yourself to Hello, Hello, there 1:40:45.400 --> 1:40:47.639 we go. We're getting into We're getting into the weeds 1:40:47.720 --> 1:40:50.639 now of the how well some of these players are coached. 1:40:50.680 --> 1:40:54.280 And I can only take so much of that. Wow, heart, 1:40:54.320 --> 1:40:56.880 he's had enough. Well, come on, it shows yea how 1:40:56.960 --> 1:40:59.639 well coached they are. I have I have a question 1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:02.640 that's brought up twice on the emails here that I 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:05.200 want to ask you when we return about a player 1:41:05.320 --> 1:41:09.080 You're actually going to read an email I'm getting, Wow, hurtful? 1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:12.160 He gets Christmas Eve, my Fred. You can't do that? 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:14.200 Why not? He's not like you? He doesn't let a 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:16.880 role offa that he has a fin skin. Yeah, he's 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:25.400 a very The show's done. Radio personality drops his pen 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:29.519 from him. He's on double Tama flu too, Come on 1:41:30.000 --> 1:41:34.519 true playing hurt I had? That's fine. I had the 1:41:34.560 --> 1:41:37.240 flu for six hours last night. Is the strangest flu 1:41:37.360 --> 1:41:42.320 I've ever had six hours. 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We've got another one 1:43:54.680 --> 1:43:59.720 from Tommy here, and then we finally have uh this, 1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:03.400 Oh it's Craig and Hoboken who said, look this is 1:44:03.479 --> 1:44:07.160 a second Fireabowl offense for Romandre Stevenson. It was the 1:44:07.240 --> 1:44:09.800 fumble last week, it was the lateral last week, and 1:44:09.920 --> 1:44:12.599 then we have an emailer saying, look up until today, 1:44:12.840 --> 1:44:15.760 I would have said, get rid of everybody on this 1:44:15.880 --> 1:44:18.040 team that you want to keep Marcus Jones because he's 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:20.559 fine and Romandre Stevenson. Now, I can't make a case 1:44:20.600 --> 1:44:23.640 for Romandre Stevenson. How bad have these last couple of 1:44:23.680 --> 1:44:26.600 weeks been for Romandre? He's under the radar right now. 1:44:26.640 --> 1:44:28.880 I feel like he's getting overshadowed. But I mean I, 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:30.439 like I said at the top, I think they're key, 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:33.040 key plays, game deciding plays. I mean, it's just it's 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:36.040 the kind of thing it doesn't inspire trusting you. Chad Forward. 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:38.040 It was Chad in Atlanta who said I would have 1:44:38.080 --> 1:44:41.599 said Stevenson, but now I don't know. You know, he's 1:44:41.680 --> 1:44:44.080 just done so much. I mean without him, where would 1:44:44.120 --> 1:44:47.000 we be as bad as it is? Probably seven and eight? No, 1:44:47.880 --> 1:44:52.240 he's I can't that, Paul, you know, let me have 1:44:52.400 --> 1:44:54.800 my put so much of the load on him, it's 1:44:54.920 --> 1:44:57.479 it's yeah, No, I didn't think that's why people are 1:44:57.680 --> 1:45:00.559 hesitant to kill him. Um, I mean didn't really get 1:45:00.640 --> 1:45:02.760 killed last week either, But I mean, I mean, I 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:04.840 haven't been on Twitter, but I did think he flew 1:45:04.920 --> 1:45:07.240 under the radar last week for starting the tom food. 1:45:07.520 --> 1:45:10.720 He started it all. This to me, I don't put 1:45:10.760 --> 1:45:12.679 at the level of last week. Last week was stupid. 1:45:12.880 --> 1:45:15.960 This is a fumble like it happens, it's it can't happen, 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:18.040 and that you know, put him at the top of 1:45:18.080 --> 1:45:20.479 the bad list. He cost you a chance to steal 1:45:20.520 --> 1:45:25.400 a game. But I mean, is that a symptom of 1:45:25.680 --> 1:45:27.960 we need to get rid of this guy, no symptom 1:45:28.000 --> 1:45:29.840 of the whole team. I think that's a little strong. 1:45:30.120 --> 1:45:32.920 It is, okay, final thoughts on the game, and also 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:35.120 final thoughts on the year. The next time we meet 1:45:35.240 --> 1:45:38.000 up it will be twenty twenty three, So use this 1:45:38.080 --> 1:45:40.640 as an opportunity for your year end thoughts, Mike, do so, 1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:43.280 would you please begin? I will just because I feel 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:45.880 like we saw a terrible loss in twenty twenty two 1:45:45.880 --> 1:45:47.760 against the Bills and the playoffs, and as I said 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:49.320 at the top of the show, this has just felt 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:51.400 the season has felt like a continuation of this into 1:45:51.439 --> 1:45:55.000 twenty twenty two. Two games left a team two teams 1:45:55.040 --> 1:45:57.200 that have owned the Patriots over the last two years 1:45:57.600 --> 1:46:00.840 plus m So you know, one hand, I'm glad that, 1:46:00.960 --> 1:46:02.920 like just it's this is who this team is. But 1:46:03.800 --> 1:46:05.439 they're gonna be out of the playoffs. There's gonna be 1:46:05.800 --> 1:46:08.439 major changes needing on offense, and we'll see. I don't 1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:09.880 know what can happen in these last two games, what 1:46:10.000 --> 1:46:11.519 kind of fight they're gonna show, but two teams that 1:46:11.560 --> 1:46:14.240 are gonna need wins, that know how to beat them. Um, 1:46:14.760 --> 1:46:17.400 it could, it could get worse, you know. Unfortunately, Yeah 1:46:17.439 --> 1:46:20.880 I could. Fred, Yeah, I mean everything that Duke said. 1:46:20.960 --> 1:46:26.320 There's gonna be major changes to the offense in the 1:46:26.720 --> 1:46:29.040 off season. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like, if you were 1:46:29.040 --> 1:46:30.960 going to pull off an upset today, your offense was 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:33.040 going to have to play in a way that they 1:46:33.080 --> 1:46:36.559 hadn't really shown all year. And they didn't. And Fred's right, 1:46:37.680 --> 1:46:40.320 you need you need changes, and in some ways I 1:46:40.360 --> 1:46:43.160 think they needed changes no matter what. So I didn't 1:46:43.200 --> 1:46:45.120 necessarily want to see it all of a sudden click 1:46:45.200 --> 1:46:48.559 these last three weeks and possibly lead to Bill Belichick 1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:50.320 say and see, I told you just stay the course. 1:46:50.600 --> 1:46:53.160 It was getting there. I knew this was going to happen. No, 1:46:53.360 --> 1:46:56.080 they have. They have fundamental problems. Their offense is broke. 1:46:56.160 --> 1:46:59.040 I mean, look at it's just look around the NFL. 1:46:59.680 --> 1:47:01.680 There's a lot of teams and I'm looking at run 1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:04.400 right now. The Commanders. Heineke is not a great quarterback, 1:47:04.560 --> 1:47:07.760 but they're scoring points. They're competitive, they're finding ways to 1:47:07.840 --> 1:47:09.880 I mean, they do have an outstanding defense, but they're 1:47:09.920 --> 1:47:12.080 finding ways to stay in game. Yeah, there's you know, 1:47:12.160 --> 1:47:14.320 it's a gamer. There's a lot of teams that don't 1:47:14.360 --> 1:47:17.960 have great quarterbacks. But in the NFL you can have 1:47:18.160 --> 1:47:21.120 you can score points, you can pass like a normal 1:47:21.560 --> 1:47:25.640 NFL team. We're just not there. I know it was 1:47:26.160 --> 1:47:28.160 for the majority of that game. You didn't get past 1:47:28.240 --> 1:47:31.519 the fifteen. I mean, the Bengals are a good team. 1:47:31.800 --> 1:47:33.640 They have a pretty good defense, but it's not a 1:47:33.760 --> 1:47:37.400 great defense. And we could we could barely muster twelve points, 1:47:37.760 --> 1:47:40.759 and and six of them were like a hail Mary 1:47:41.000 --> 1:47:44.679 tip play, you know, so like really six real puss 1:47:44.760 --> 1:47:48.040 six points again on offense. I mean, that's not that's 1:47:48.120 --> 1:47:52.760 not acceptable. I don't care who your quarterback is. It's 1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:56.840 not acceptable. You're getting me all upset now, and right 1:47:57.680 --> 1:47:59.400 had all this time to prepare for another big game. 1:47:59.439 --> 1:48:01.320 I mean, this is just and they don't even fool you. 1:48:01.360 --> 1:48:03.479 They don't even come out and like, hey, they scripted 1:48:03.520 --> 1:48:05.280 a drive well right out of the gate, and like 1:48:05.320 --> 1:48:06.880 it doesn't even get to that point. They come out, 1:48:06.920 --> 1:48:09.879 they look like crap, And I'm not gonna take it anymore. 1:48:10.120 --> 1:48:12.519 There is one player on the team who has more 1:48:12.600 --> 1:48:20.200 touchdowns than Marcus Jones. That sentence, it's acceptable. Stevens defence 1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:23.640 has as many or close to as many touchdowns as 1:48:23.720 --> 1:48:27.679 Mac Jones has throwing touchdowns. Defense I think has six touchdowns. 1:48:27.760 --> 1:48:31.160 But Stevenson has six touchdowns on the season and Mac 1:48:31.240 --> 1:48:36.160 and Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones has three the defensive guys. 1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:40.720 It's not acceptable. And and I'm hoping that when it's 1:48:40.720 --> 1:48:43.439 all said and done, Myers had one today, So Myers 1:48:43.520 --> 1:48:45.519 has four when it's all said and done. And Robert 1:48:45.600 --> 1:48:48.599 has his end of season meeting with Bill, Bill says 1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:52.519 those words, this was not acceptable. And then my next question, 1:48:52.560 --> 1:48:55.600 if I'm Robert, is okay, we agree, what are you 1:48:55.640 --> 1:48:59.400 going to do about it? And Uh, that's not quite 1:48:59.520 --> 1:49:02.560 where we will begin when we meet up again on 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:07.800 the first of January. But it's something to start to 1:49:07.880 --> 1:49:09.880 look forward to is The next time we meet up 1:49:09.880 --> 1:49:11.560 at will be twenty twenty three, and it would be 1:49:11.600 --> 1:49:14.559 week seventeen from tomorrow. We'll see what the Patriots can 1:49:14.640 --> 1:49:16.920 come up with here for their final two games of 1:49:17.080 --> 1:49:19.599 this season. Thank you everybody involved in the show today, 1:49:19.760 --> 1:49:23.600 Mary Christmas, everyone a happy holidays. 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