1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: A high school girl straight A's a hockey star across Star, 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: is found brutally murdered and buried in a shallow grave 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: at a local park, Lincoln Park. Her boyfriend is soon 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: identified and he's convicted of the murder. But now after 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: a high profile podcast called Cereal insists that he's innocent, 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: is he getting a new trial and set to walk? 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: To add insult to injury the victim, Little hay hay 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Lee's family cannot speak English. They and she have no voice. 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Well you know what they're getting one, They're getting a voice, 10 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: Lady Justice, are you listening? A and E Thursday night, 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: eleven pm. We want justice for hay Lee and that 12 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: means to many court watchers that killer add Non Sayed 13 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: stays behind bars. Thursday night, eleven PM. A and E 14 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: Grace versus Abrams. Please join us Crime Stories with Nancy 15 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Grace on sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. The 16 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: man hunt intensifying for twenty nine year old Travis Ryan King, 17 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: the Central Illinois native accused of opening fire on a 18 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Tennessee waffle house, killing four and injuring four others. Witnesses 19 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: say the suspect Travis Ryan King was only wearing a 20 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: green jacket when he opened fire, and the assault rifle 21 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: Ryan King allegedly used during the shooting was taken away 22 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: from him by police last year, only to be returned 23 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: to him by his own father. They say he started 24 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: shooting outside before going inside, where he was confronted by 25 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: a customer, twenty nine year old James Shaw Jr. We 26 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: were scuffling, and uh, I managed to get him with 27 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: one hand on the gun, and then I grabbed it 28 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: from him, not threw it over the countertop. After church Sunday, 29 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: we went out for a big time at the waffle 30 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: house and it was awesome. Saw all my favorite waiters 31 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: and waitresses. We played music on the jukebox. But in 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I was thinking about the 33 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: naked gunman wearing just a green jacket with an assault 34 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: rifle who stormed a waffle house in Nashville early early 35 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: Sunday morning, leaving four people dead. And right now he's 36 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: still on the run. As we learn his dad gave 37 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: him an a R fifteen. Could that possibly be true? 38 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: Not only that he thinks Taylor Swift is stalking him, 39 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: You know, forget about the dad and the Taylor swift fixation. 40 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: He's on the run for already. Dad. I'm Nancy Grace. 41 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, 42 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: with me, and I'll start a lineup. Forensics expert Joseph 43 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, high profile defense lawyer Jason Ocean's l a 44 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: psycho analyst, Dr Bethany Marshall, and Crime Stories investigative reporter 45 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts. Chuck, let's start at the beginning. Sunday morning. 46 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: What happened? It is Nancy three, nineteen Sunday morning, a 47 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: little town just southeast of Nashville, about twenty minutes south 48 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: of downtown Nashville, and UH. Travis Ranking, who is twenty 49 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: nine years old, sits in his pickup truck for four 50 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: or five minutes before getting out with this a R 51 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: fifteen rifle. Again wearing nothing but a green jacket, he 52 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: shoots two people standing outside the restaurant UH and then 53 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: goes inside and continue shooting. Four people die. Nine year 54 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: old from Goodsville, a twenty year old from Nashville, a 55 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: young woman from Gallatin, and a young woman from Antigoch, 56 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: the actual city where this happened. You know, hold on, shut, 57 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: hold on, just a moment when I'm hearing the story 58 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: guys were talking about the naked waffle house shooter. As 59 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: a pros former prosecutor, I try to piece things together 60 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: and make sense of them. Why did this happen? Why 61 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: do I care? Because it could tell me what's going 62 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: to happen in the future. And what is One of 63 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: the many disturbing factors about this is there is no 64 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: known motive. That means we don't know why he did 65 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: it or if he's going to do it again. He 66 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to get back at a girlfriend, he wasn't 67 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: angry having been fired from the waffle house, he didn't 68 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: have a bad waffle nothing, which means he's out there, 69 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: likely armed, and we don't know why he murdered four 70 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: and wounded for others. But right now, hold on, take 71 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: a listen to Nashville Police spokesperson Don Aaron. A gunman 72 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: who we fully believed to be Travis Ryan King arrived 73 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: in the waffle house parking lot in a pickup truck 74 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: at three nineteen a m. He sat in that truck 75 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: for three and a half to four minutes. UH When 76 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: he got out of the vehicle at about three twenty 77 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: three am. He immediately used an assault type rifle to 78 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: shoot two individuals who were outside of the restaurant. They 79 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: were fatally wounded. He then went inside the restaurant continued firing. 80 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: One other person inside the restaurant was fatally wounded. Then, 81 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: an individual who was in the waffle house of Patron 82 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: when he heard the gunshots actually ran back to the 83 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: restroom area he watched the gunman. He reported that he 84 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: saw the gunman looking at his rifle. At that point, 85 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: the shots had stopped, so he decided to rush. The 86 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: gunman actually wrestled that assault rifle away tossed it over 87 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: the counter. At that point. The gunman then fled. As 88 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: he was in the waffle house, he was wearing only 89 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: a green jacket, no pants, no shirt, just a green jacket. 90 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: As he reached the corner of the street next to 91 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: the waffle house, he shed the jacket and continued southbound 92 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: on Murphersboro Pike. Our investigation to this point shows that 93 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: he lives at an apartment complex in this area. We 94 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: are suspecting, based on witness reports to this juncture, that 95 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: he made his way to the apartment complex, either inside 96 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 1: the apartment or somewhere near it, and has since clothed 97 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: himself with a pair of pants. A witness at the 98 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: apartment complex reported seeing a man in the woodline wearing 99 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: black pants, no shirt. Oh, moving away from the apartment 100 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: complex in the woods. We know as a driver's license 101 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: from Illinois from Morton, Illinois. Uh. We don't know what 102 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: he was doing in Nashville. We have been in contact 103 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: with other law enforcement agencies who are aware of him. 104 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: Both federal and state law enforcement agencies have knowledge of 105 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: Travis Ryan King due to previous interactions. Uh. Again, why 106 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: he is in Nashville and what prompted this this morning 107 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: has not been determined. I will tell you that our 108 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: hero in this matter is a twenty nine year old man, 109 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: a patron, And it's very similar to the report that 110 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: we gave at the church shooting in Nashville last year. 111 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: You had a citizen step up to intervene with an 112 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: active shooter, and that's what this man did. He is 113 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: the hero here and no doubt he saved many lives 114 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: by wrestling the gun away and then tossing it over 115 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: the counter and prompting a man to leave Dundee. All 116 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: have any reason to believe he had additional rounds to 117 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: read low while he's in there a plan to do that. Oh, 118 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: the jacket that he shed did have ammunition cartridges in it. 119 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: You were just hearing Nashville Police spokesperson Don Aaron describing 120 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: what happened. We're talking about twenty nine year old Travish 121 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: Ranking who has shot dead four people injured at least 122 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: four others at a local waffle house Antioch, Nashville. Now, 123 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: this is what we're learning. Now. His family says he 124 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: Ranking believes Taylor Swift is stalking him in his Illinois hometown, 125 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: which may be the reason he's come to Nashville. He well, 126 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: wait a minute, doesn't isn't Taylor Swift often in Nashville. Um, 127 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: he tells his family about this. His family has called 128 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: the cops before, and he believed was that Taylor Swift 129 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: is hacking into his phone and into his Netflix account. 130 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: Now remember this. Also in two thousands seventeen, he was 131 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: the one arrested for scaling a fence near the White House, 132 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: the White House as in the Nation Capital. This is 133 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: the same guy. Why is he out after trying to 134 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: get into the White House. That's a whole another can 135 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: of worms. Dr Bethany Marshall, a high profile psychoanalyst out 136 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: of the l A jurisdiction. Dr Bethany I remember the 137 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: first time I actually met someone who had these ideas 138 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: that they were being stalked or followed, and it was 139 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: a perfectly normal acting secretary. She typed. That was her 140 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: job when I was fed, before I became a violent 141 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: crime prosecutor, I did and high trust and consumer protection, 142 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: and Virginia's job was to type. She would type up 143 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: letters or memoranda whatever she typed. She was perfectly normal, right. 144 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: She brought a lunch every day. She was very quiet, 145 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: very sweet lady, great, great worker at what she did. Well, 146 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: long story short, she missed a few days of work 147 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: and we found out upon questioning she was, Um, what 148 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: do you say when you think people are stalking you? 149 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: She thought that the government was something poison under her 150 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: doorstep at her apartment. She thought that she was being 151 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: hacked and people were listening in on her phone. What 152 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: is that? That's something called delusional disorder, and people who 153 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: have delusional disorder are very interesting and that their delusions 154 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: are quite extensive. Like you said, usually they feel that 155 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: somebody has planted a listening device. Um. Usually the government 156 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: is brought in on the delusion. Usually they have some 157 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: high profile or high ranking official or celebrity with whom 158 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: they become preoccupied. But the interesting thing about these individuals 159 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: is that they look normal. Delusional disorder does not make 160 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: them look crazy or manic or psychotic. The other thing 161 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: is they're obsessed with delusions. They will spend hours like 162 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: writing on the internet or in their journals, are talking 163 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: to people about it. I've never had a person with 164 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: delusional disorder last more than one day in my office 165 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: because the minute they sense that I'm not interested in 166 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: the delusions and I want them to get better, they 167 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: lose interest in treatment. And the other thing, Nancy, there 168 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: is no medication or effective form of therapy that can 169 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: help these people. Well, so they goes on and on. 170 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: He may think Taylor Swift is after him, but who's 171 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: after him is a long arm the law right now, 172 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: because he's gunned down four people in a waffle house, 173 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: and you know who those four people could have been? Me, 174 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: David and the twins and Grandmammy this past Sunday, all right, 175 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: So it's these are completely innocent people, some of them 176 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: just getting off late night jobs and they're hungry families 177 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: are in there that have been on the road, and 178 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: this guy comes in and starts shooting, and he would 179 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: have shot more had it not been for a true 180 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: hero named James Shaw Jr. Now, I want you to 181 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: listen to Shaw because, like so many true heroes, he's 182 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: awfully humble. Listen. Uh No, I just consider myself. I was, 183 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: like I said, in that cage, and I had the 184 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to either act or act or not act, and 185 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: uh I chose to act because either way, in my mind, 186 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: I saw if I don't act, this death. If I 187 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: do act, I have a stronger possibility of living than 188 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: just letting him come to the door. So uh, I 189 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: just see myself like as a regular guy. I didn't 190 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: mean to do this to be the hero by any means. 191 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: It was just kind of like survival of the fittest 192 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: type thing. Um. I'm sorry. I couldn't get to the 193 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: guy any faster, or we could have got him out 194 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: in the parking lot or something like that. But you know, 195 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know he was going to come in their 196 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: arm to the teeth like that. There was no way 197 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: for me to know that he was going to do that. 198 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. For your family, um, your loved ones. I'm 199 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: kind of speechless. I really don't. All I can say 200 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: is words, but it's it's it's gonna hurt. So you 201 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: were just hearing from a true hero. He says he 202 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: doesn't consider himself a hero. You know, Jason Ocean's high 203 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: profile defense attorney, joined me out of the Jersey and 204 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: New York area. You and I have handled so many cases, 205 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: me prosecuting, you defending, and you and I, Jason would 206 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: spend hours, literally hours on court TV, the court TV 207 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: set in a dark studio, watching trials, and usually the 208 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: trials we covered were murder or mass murder trials, and 209 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: very often a hero would emerge, isn't it true? Jason? 210 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: And so often in the courthouse you see heroes. They 211 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: can be e M t s, they can be firefighters, 212 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: they can be cops, they can be regular people like James, 213 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: and almost to a fault, they never think they're a hero. Jason. Now, 214 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: and so you're so right in your description of our experiences, 215 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: but so self deprecating about it. And you listen to 216 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: his voice, and his his concern was for what he 217 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: couldn't have and faster or understand what was going on. 218 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: So that's just the nature of the good with the 219 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: evil as we have in this situation, a really horrible 220 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: trasic situation. And I'm hard to figure out what's going 221 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: to happen to this guy because when you look at 222 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: him in some of his photos, he looks like he's 223 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: like a freshman at cal State. He just looks like 224 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: a regular guy. He's anything but a regular guy. Right now, 225 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: this guy, Travish Ranking, twenty nine years old home family 226 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: home in Morton, Illinois, is surrounded by FBI. They're trying 227 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: to figure out is he headed from Nashville en route 228 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: to Illinois. We know this he was armed with what 229 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: we believe to be in a R fifteen. Right now, 230 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Travish Ranking on the run the waffle house shooter, a 231 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: naked guy guns down four innocent people. Still on the 232 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: run right now with delusion and singing sensation, Taylor Swift 233 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: is stalking him, and his delusion goes further than that. 234 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: He's got it all figured out that she's hacking into 235 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: his phone and his Netflix account. Okay, I'm gonna get 236 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: off Taylor Swift hacking into his phone and his Netflix 237 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: account and onto the crime and the victims in this case. 238 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, Travis Ranking age 239 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: twenty nine right now is on the run. Many believe 240 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: he said it from Nashville to his family home in Morton, Illinois. 241 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: I want you to hear from an eye witness, Brennan McMurray, 242 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: who was at the waffle house with his friend turned 243 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: hero James Shaw's. He describes when the carnage occurred, it 244 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: was just like bow bow bow bow, was like somebody 245 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: was just going to town on a base drum and 246 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't the uasiest thing. I just told 247 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: people jump in the back rooms as quick as you can, 248 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: and so we pushed a couple of girls into the 249 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: back bathroom and then me, a guy and another lady 250 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: we went into my bathroom and locked it. Um, and 251 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: the shots just got louder. It's totally scared to open 252 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: the door. So we waited the ten seconds we heard 253 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: no gunshots and then you open the door and you 254 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: cautiously peek out. We saw the magazine on the floor. Um, 255 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: there was a lady face down, she was gone. There 256 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: was another lady with her head kind of tilted back 257 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: on the bottom of the actual booth. Um, she was bleeding. 258 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: Her leg was like completely ripped up, two shreds. Um. 259 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: And then we walked out the door and then literally 260 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: there was a man right there just head gone. Um, 261 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: look up the sidewalk, there's another one gone. Seeing that 262 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: type of Yeah, I'll never leave those, Yeah, no, I'll 263 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: never leave. We are on the lookout, Bolo, be on 264 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: the lookout for twenty nine year old Travish ranking at 265 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: this hour. Man he believe he said it from Nashville 266 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: tour Morton, Illinois, after killing four and wounding many others. 267 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: You know with me is forensics expert for Professor of 268 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, 269 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: you are a death investigator. I've been on so many 270 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: homicide scenes and autopsies. I I couldn't even begin to 271 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: count them. When you hear the hero James saw Jr. 272 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: Friend Brendan McMurray trying to describe what he saw. You 273 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: know what, Joe Scott, unless you see it, you'd never 274 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: believe it because you know, you watch these movies and um, 275 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: the TV shows that are legal or crime dramas, they 276 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: are so airbrushed, they are so produced. It's it's nothing 277 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: like what homicide really is. It is nasty, it is 278 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: it smells horrible, it's gritty. There is you know, dirt 279 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: and dust on the lord, there's dry coagulated blood. I mean, 280 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't even want to go on. It's nothing you 281 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: ever want to revisit. And here you've got civilians trying 282 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: to describe a mass murder. Sen Joe Scott. Yeah, it's 283 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: it's striking Nancy anytime. And I can reflect back to 284 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: all of those cases that I've seen. And and plus 285 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: you know when when I teach, when I teach forensic 286 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: science to my students, always tell them, I always tell 287 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: them this. When you're working these kind of cases, you're 288 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: always trying to make sense of the abnormal in the 289 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: context of the normal. And you and I both are 290 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, uh Southerners. You know we've spent a lot 291 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: of time. My family and I were at waffle House 292 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: yesterday as a matter of fact, after church, and you know, 293 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: you go into these places where you normally feel safe, 294 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: and you know, like you I know the I know 295 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: the waiters that are one little waffle house here in Jacksonville. 296 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: It's a place to peace. It's a place of enjoyment 297 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: for our family. We love going there and to have 298 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: children and get out of school early or say it 299 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: was that they always have a half day when they 300 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: go for Christmas or Thanksgiving. That's where we go. That's 301 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: our big celebration we go. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's 302 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: you know. And there were many nights when I was working, 303 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: when I was you know, back in the day, when 304 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: I was still it was the only thing that was open. 305 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: I remember spending Christmas Eve at about you know, very 306 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: late at night. It was the only place that was open. 307 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: I was working by myself. And it's it's just kind 308 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: of like, you know, a little piece of home when 309 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: you walk in. So, yeah, you walk in and then 310 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: you contextualize it by seeing hilt high velocity blood spattery. 311 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: You see where people have struggled just to try to 312 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: get to a point of safety, out of the line 313 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: of fire, away from this great harm that they they sent. 314 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: You know, this young man had described it. It sounded 315 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: like somebody beating on a drum and when you're on 316 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: the end of that muzzle, and it just it's a 317 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: cacophony of sound that just surrounds this environment and this 318 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: and I can only imagine the context of of waffle houses. 319 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: It's not huge. You know, you're in this little box 320 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: with these other people, the screams, there's there's total chaos. 321 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, he described this woman's leg being ripped to shreds. 322 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: That's that's what the nature of this weapon is and 323 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: what it has the potential to do. And uh, he 324 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: walked in. Uh. It's it's a very very scary situation. 325 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: And what's even scarier than is the fact that this 326 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: person is still out there. He's walking around among us, 327 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: he's driving around among us. No one knows where he's going. 328 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: Dr Bethan was talking about he's obsessed over this one point. 329 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: Who knows who knows where he's going, And it's very scary. 330 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: I you know, I pray for these police officers. I 331 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: hope that they get this guy off the street immediate. Well, 332 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, correct me if I'm wrong. Chuck Roberts Chuck 333 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: Roberts joining me Crime storys investigative reporter. But he has 334 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: had other incidents where he believes Taylor Swift is after him. 335 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: Um Ranking had several run ins with Polace in Illinois 336 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: before he moves to Nashville, where Taylor Swift starts her career. Okay, 337 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: he knows that he knows all about Taylor Swift. He 338 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: had the running in Washington, d C. When he tried 339 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: to climb over a fence near the White House um 340 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: on one instant. Okay, I told you that he thinks 341 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is hacking into his phone in Netflix, and 342 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: just May he thought Swift was stalking him in person, 343 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: and that incident, he told police that Swift was following 344 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: him and wanted to meet him at a nearby dairy queen. 345 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: So he goes to the dairy queen to meet Swift, 346 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: and he says he sees Swift across the street who 347 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: yells at him. He chased her in an attempt to 348 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: have her stop harassing him. He says he follows Taylor 349 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: up the side of a building and onto the roof, 350 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: and when he gets to the roof, Taylor Swift is gone. 351 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: And he has had at least five runners with Illinois 352 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: police before he moved to Nashville. As I said, where 353 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Taylor started her music career, Chuck Roberts, I don't think 354 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: it's any coincidence that she started her music career there. 355 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: And he leaves Morton Illinois to go to Nashville exactly. 356 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: And and you know, in one of those incidents in 357 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: where he said Taylor Swift was talking him, he had 358 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: made comments to police about killing himself. So obviously you 359 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: know he is not of right mind. Uh. He said 360 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: that she's tapping his computer and his phone. Uh, and 361 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: he talks about barking like dogs outside his home. He 362 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: felt like he was being watched, uh, and that people 363 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: are baiting him into breaking the law. But he said 364 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 1: it all started when he started writing to Taylor Swift. 365 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: Not curiously, Taylor Swift lives in Soho. She lives in Manhattan, 366 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: and only this past weekend was another stalker hit with 367 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: an order of protection after breaking in to Taylor Swift's 368 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: Soho town house. That person is under arrestus as a 369 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: matter of fact, that that she just can't catch her break. 370 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: You know, there was the DJ right now that the 371 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: stalker goes in her home and takes a shower and 372 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: a nap in her home. And now this guy now 373 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: listen to this back to Travis Ranking who was on 374 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: the run right now after the incident where he approached 375 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: a secret Service agent saying he wanted to speak to 376 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: the President. He refused to leave. He was given thirty 377 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: two hours of community service to complete by a DC 378 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: Superior court and wanted to stay away from the White House. 379 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Catch this, the case was dropped. It was just dropped 380 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: in November because the judge said ranking had completed the 381 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: diversion program and trying to get it to the White House. 382 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it just that that that was over and 383 00:24:53,480 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: done and nothing happened, and now for people are dead now. 384 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: It was after this DC incident the FBI coordinated with 385 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: the Illinois State Police and Taswell County to revoke his 386 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: gun lines. Is listen to this. That's according to w 387 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: k R in he had a carry permit. He had 388 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: a carry permit in Illinois. They got them away from him. 389 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: They were given to his father. Did the father give 390 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: them back? All? I know before people are dead in 391 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: a waffle house, others injured. Take a listen to what 392 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: another witness at the waffle house says. This witness named Chuck, 393 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: it's just all really surreal. Um, It's it's just horrible. 394 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: I mean, you see people laying on the ground, you 395 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: know what just happened, And you're right, you see it 396 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: happen all the time, but when it happens right in 397 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: front of you, it's kind of hard to forget it. 398 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to put it aside. It's it's 399 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: it's sad, it's tragic, it's and your buddy t He 400 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: was a cook here at waffle house, right, Yeah, he 401 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: was a cook. He was outside on his cigarette break. 402 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: He actually waved at me, which is why I got 403 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: out of my car to go talk to him while 404 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: I waited for the crowd to chill out inside and 405 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: just didn't happen that way, And so were there are 406 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people inside. Can you kind of describe 407 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: the atmosphere to me? I mean, I know this is 408 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: a place that people come just to hang out and 409 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: and you know, grab a bite to eat on the weekend. Well, 410 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: once the bars closed, these places get quite busy. When 411 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: I pulled up here, there was about thirty people inside. 412 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: My normal spot was taken, and so I was gonna 413 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: wait outside until the crowd died down a little bit. 414 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: And this all happened, but they were there were about 415 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: thirty people inside. Um. I found out the name of 416 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: the gentleman who wrestled the gun away as James Shaw Jr. 417 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: And if he had not done what he did when 418 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: he did. Um, I heard that the guy had more 419 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: ammunition in his jacket. This could have been a lot worse. 420 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's tragic, and as terrible as it is is, 421 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: it could have been a lot worse if not for 422 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: James Shaw Jr. You actually saw the man who was 423 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: responsible for, you know, knocking the gun away. Can you 424 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: kind of describe to me, you know, the moments leading 425 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: up to that and describe that moment? Well, I guess 426 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: when the shooting started. I wasn't inside, but from what 427 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: I understand, when the shooting started, Uh, this gentleman went 428 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: towards the bathrooms and it was kind of there's a door, 429 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: so he was able to be behind this door, and 430 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: he saw that when the gunman paused for a minute 431 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: to look at his weapon, to either reload it or 432 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: look at it, he came from behind the door and 433 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: started wrestling with the guys. So as soon as he 434 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: saw a moment where he wasn't firing, he jumped on 435 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: him and he saved some people's lives. True, you lost 436 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: your your good friend t Can you kind of just 437 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, say a few words about him? These are 438 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: my waffle house friends. I don't see them on the weekends. 439 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't see them away from waffle House, but they 440 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: take good care of me when I come in here. 441 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: He was always real friendly. You know, hey, what's up man? 442 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: We were just buddy buddy. You know. I look forward 443 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: to come in here and seeing these people because they 444 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: are so friendly, and he was. He was just a 445 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: great guy. I mean, I don't know him personally. I 446 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: don't don't know his family or anything, but I know 447 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: him from here, and every time I came here, we talked, 448 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: we hung out, we joked, we laughed good people. Can 449 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: you kind of describe the demeanor of this aspect to me? 450 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: Like I said, I was sitting in my car looking 451 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: at the crowd, waiting for them to go. I did 452 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: not see him pull up. I only saw him get 453 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: out when I got out. And his demeanor was he 454 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: got out and started shooting his gun immediately. He did 455 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: not say nothing to nobody, no hesitation. He just got out, 456 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: shot the two people outside, shot through the windows, and 457 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: then stepped inside and kept going until Mr Shot took 458 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: care of him. This is what we know. We know 459 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: the weapon was an a R fifteen that was used 460 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: in the shooting. Another wet rifle and long gun were 461 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: found in Rankings apartment. They have not been able to 462 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: locate the fourth and that's what's worrying. May we believe 463 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: the fourth weapon is a pistol. Many people are assuming 464 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: King's father gave him the four guns back, or maybe 465 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: he got them back on his own. But I believe 466 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: those are the four guns we know of. The A 467 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: R fifteen has been found that was used at the 468 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: waffle house mass shooting. Another rifle and long gun found 469 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: in his apartment. The fourth we believe is a pistol. Now, 470 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: how did he get them back? Don't know. We know 471 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: this about the family. We know that his family um 472 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: owned owns a crane rental business in the area, so 473 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: they own their own business. Neighbors described quote, he was 474 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: raised in a really good Christian home. But they haven't 475 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: seen Ranking in months now. We also know that SWAT 476 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: members went door to door at his apartment Discovery Mountain 477 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: View Apartments that's in Nashville. Some residents in the building 478 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: were asked to evacuate, thinking he might be there. Others 479 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: were told to lot their doors and stay inside. Can 480 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: you imagine getting that message in the middle of the night. Now. 481 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: Neighbors also state that they hardly ever saw him, but 482 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: they heard him playing really loud music, but they hardly 483 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: ever saw him. We also know to Joe Scott, Morgan 484 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: forensics expert, that police have combed the woods where he 485 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: was last seeing slinking away from his department. Joe Scott, 486 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: it's hard to get evidence out in the woods. Yeah, yeah, 487 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: ideas because it's such a it's such a convoluted area. 488 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: You know, that's out there, and he's he's been he's 489 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: been on he's been on foot for a while now. 490 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: I would imagine, and I'm just speculating here, that they've 491 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: got dogs that are working this case. I would imagine 492 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: dogs are a big part. And also I've been reading 493 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: reports where you've got Nashville helicopters, uh that is National 494 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: Metro helicopters that are flying over trying to track him. 495 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that on foot he would have gotten 496 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: too terribly far away. This is a densely populated area, 497 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: so the police are having to be very very careful. 498 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: You can imagine how terrified people are. But this guy's 499 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: on the run. For all I know, he's still in Nashville. 500 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: Many people believe he is either en route to tell 501 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: or Swift's place. I don't know how he's gonna find 502 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: her or back home to Illinois. We know that patients 503 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: remain at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center, one in critical condition, 504 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: another stable, and our prayers go out to that one person, 505 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: especially in critical condition, for dead many others injured at 506 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: the waffle house shooting. I want you to take a 507 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: listen to this. The main question we've been getting today 508 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: is regarding confiscation of firearms. On August two thousand seventeen, 509 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: Tasl County deputy is confiscated the firearm owners Identification card 510 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: of Travis Rinking and pursuant to revocation by the Illinois 511 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: State Police at that time, Mr Rinking voluntarily voluntarily surrendered 512 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: four firearms. His father was present and had had an 513 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: f O I D card valid f I D card 514 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: and had the legal right to take custody of the weapons, 515 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: so he was allowed to do that after he assured 516 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: deputies that he would keep them secure and away from Travis. 517 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: We have no information about how Travis came back into 518 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: possession of those firearms after August. The bottom line is 519 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: that the father had the legal right to possess the weapons. Well, 520 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: stand a bushmaster, I believe is an a R fifteen. 521 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: In this case, Yes, turned over to his father. Yes, 522 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: the officers did not believe they had any legal authority 523 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: to with hold the weapons. Seizure of a person's property 524 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: is a constitutional rights issue, and it's a very serious matter, 525 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: and we need to be on solid legal ground in 526 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: order to seize someone's property. And it's our understanding of 527 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: the law that under under Illinois law, with the father 528 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: possessing a valid Illinois fo i D card, that he 529 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: had the right to possess the weapons. That's something that's 530 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: under investigation. And as I said in the statement, we 531 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: don't have any information how the young man got the 532 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: weapons back. I did see the Nashville Chief of Police 533 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: on television a little earlier, and he indicated that possessing 534 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: the weapons in Tennessee would not have been a violation 535 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: for Travis, So he's he was not legal under Illinois 536 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: law to possess the firearms. Illinois has has made a 537 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: decision several years ago to pass the law requiring every 538 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: fire arm owner to possess a Firearm Owners I'D Entification card, 539 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: and those are issued by the state police, and that 540 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 1: can vary from state to state. Uh, Tennessee has no 541 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: similar law. Obviously, were aware of him, and we've had 542 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: dealings with him before, and we believe that he was 543 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: involved in an incident at the White House last summer. 544 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: Uh So the federal and state authorities were instrumental in 545 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: having his f o I D card revoked in August. So, 546 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: uh he is someone we were aware of. I think 547 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: anybody who reads the police reports that we have here 548 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: that I've I've given you copies of, would would conclude 549 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: that there's certainly evidence that there's some sort of mental 550 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: health issues involved. You were hearing they're regarding the gun seizure. 551 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: The reward for capturing the alleged waffle House shoot or 552 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: Travis Ranking is climbing. Here's the tip line eight six 553 00:34:54,640 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: to eight hundred, repeat six eight six to dred. Now, 554 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: the waffle House shooting had a very odd, bizarre connection 555 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: to music star Taylor Swift in that the waffle house 556 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: shooter believes Taylor Swift is stalking him. Of course, nothing 557 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: could be further from the truth. As a matter of fact, 558 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift just can't catch a break. Her third stalker 559 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: this month has broken into her New York City town house, 560 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: takes a shower, and climbs into her bed. I can 561 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: only assume naked for a nap. Does it never end 562 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: for this poor girl? I mean you never see her 563 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: boozing coming out of bars without her underwear like so 564 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: many others. She's working, she's minding her own business, she's 565 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: writing songs, she's setting a good role model. What her 566 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: third stalker this month takes a shower and climb in 567 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: her bed for a nap. What if she had been 568 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: there with me? Alexis Torez Chuck, investigative reporter with Radar 569 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: online dot Com. Does it never end for this poor girl? 570 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't. And this is the third guy this month. 571 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: And what he did is he This is amazing to 572 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: me because it's in the middle of New York City. 573 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: This is not even one of her properties out you 574 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: know that she has in Tennessee or in the Northeast 575 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: that are secluded. This was in the middle of New 576 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: York City. Someone takes a ladder and climbs over the 577 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: wall at her place. She takes every precaution to stay safe. 578 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: She she is very careful with this climbs over the ladder, 579 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: breaks into the house, goes in her room, goes in 580 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: her bedroom, takes a shower, has enough time there, This 581 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: hasn't alerted anybody, and then climbs into her bed and 582 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: falls asleep. This is all She is luckily, luckily not there, 583 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: and then her security comes in and finds him. She 584 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: is so lucky that she has so people out there 585 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: protecting her, because if she had been in there, this 586 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: could have been terrible for her. I just don't understand 587 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: how in the middle of New York City you can 588 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: get a ladder. It's a three story town home. You 589 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: can get a ladder in plain view, put it up, 590 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: landed up against the building, and get into the building 591 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: and nobody notices. I can tell you this, Uh, this 592 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: morning heads would be rolling on the so called security team. 593 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: So Jason Ocean's uh, high profile defense attorney in the 594 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: New York area. Jason, to be a bona fide burglary, 595 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: you have to go into the home for a felonious purpose. 596 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: You enter the home with the intent to commit a burglary, 597 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: i e. Stealing something, assaulting somebody, killing somebody. He went 598 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: in and took a shower and got in her bed, 599 00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: is that a burglary? Uh criminal trespass? Uh? Uh for sure, 600 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: you still have a breaking and entering. I don't know 601 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: if there's a commercial component to it, to that type 602 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: of building that would add into the charge. In New York, 603 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: regardless of of what the you know, her specific residence was, 604 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: he's being held on seventy five thousand dollars about you know, 605 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: as part of as part of the original arrayment. He's 606 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: got an order of protection uh, you know, assigned to him. 607 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: But he's being held on seventy five thousand dollars. So 608 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: they certainly took it very seriously beyond just uh what 609 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: would be uh you know, seemingly a more innocent criminal trespass. Well, well, 610 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: what about this Jason Oceans hold on. He's been charged 611 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: with felonies stalking, which I guess is the felony involved 612 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, to constitute of burglary, because he's also charged 613 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: with burglary, criminal mistress, and criminal trespass. But listen to this, 614 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: This is why he got a felony stalking charge. This 615 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: wasn't the first time Alvarado was arrested at her address 616 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: in February and was breaking the front door with a shovel. Hello, 617 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: that turns this into stalking. That's the felony that supports 618 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: the burglary and he and he also he also skipped 619 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: out on a court date, so there was, you know, 620 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: a warrant for his arrest, and they'll revisit that original 621 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: charge as well, just to adding to his uh I 622 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: don't get it problem, I don't get it. Dr Bethany 623 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: Marshall l a psycho analyst. Dr Bethany, you know you've 624 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: got the waffle house shooter all the run who I 625 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 1: would guess he's headed to either one of two places 626 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: where he thinks Taylor Swift is or to his family 627 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: in Illinois's family and right now he has alluding the police. Okay, 628 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 1: so tell us Weft has that going on? Now, you've 629 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: got this guy who's very likely wit and naked in 630 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: her bed. Think about it, Bethany, not too much, but 631 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: just enough to give me a professional about well. One 632 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: of the things that comes to mind is the enormous 633 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: amount of energy both of these men are engaging in 634 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: order to gain proximity to her. The thing about stalking 635 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: that we're talking about this current stalking case, we're talking 636 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: about um ranking who has delusional disorder, and perhaps his 637 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: manic is that these men are so obsessed with her, 638 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: so focused on her. Both of them believe that they 639 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: have a unique and special relationship with this victim, and 640 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: the type of disorder both of these men have is 641 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: not a disorder that goes away. They're going to be 642 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: obsessed with her for the rest of their lives. So 643 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: the only thing that's going to keep her safe besides 644 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,919 Speaker 1: her security team is if these men are behind bars. Um, 645 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: So this is the problem with our justice system. Like 646 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: the guy that broke an energe tried to break down 647 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: the door with the shovel, Do they have enough on 648 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: him to put him behind bars for the rest of 649 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: his life? Probably not, So he's going to continue to 650 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: be obsessed with her and put all this energy into 651 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: it and stalkers. As you and I've talked about so 652 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: many times, not only do they believe they have a 653 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: special and unique relationship with the victim, even though there's 654 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: no evidence to support that, they go after the victim 655 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: to punish the victim for perceived rejection. So they'll be like, well, 656 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: why isn't she returning my calls or my emails? Why 657 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: didn't she come home? To go to bed with me. 658 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm here, I am naked in the bed. And this 659 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: is where the agitation and the anger comes in and 660 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: then the striking out at the victim. And this is 661 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: what puts victims at risk. Well, it's not just Alvarado 662 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: who's talking and breaking in. In In New York last week, 663 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: another stalker was arrested trying to get into her Beverly 664 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: Hills home. The police report says the man was wearing 665 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: a mask and rubber gloves, carrying a knife, live ammunition, 666 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: and black rope. Oh okay, um, help me out. It 667 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: just never seems to end, and we can't keep the 668 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: people in jail. Jason Oceans, you're the defense lawyer. Why 669 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: is it a revolving door for these guys that are 670 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: stalking her? They go in for thirty days, then they're 671 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: out and they start all over again. Because not enough 672 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: states have strong laws relative to this, it becomes a 673 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: bit of a revolving door. Absent any violence. It goes 674 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: based on the lowest level of what you know, what 675 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: the actual crime is, like a breaking and entering, and 676 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: so you know, it sort of rolls through. Uh, it's 677 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: not fierce enough in terms of the legislature, you know, 678 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: really identifying beyond just the celebrity stalker that it goes 679 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: on in domestic relationships as well. It just doesn't get 680 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: the coverage, And I think if it did and the 681 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: laws were tightened, we'd be in a better spot to 682 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,479 Speaker 1: try and stop these things propolact. You know. Um, This 683 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: guy breaks into Swift's townhouse in New York, where he 684 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: takes a shower and a nap. A neighbor calls the 685 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: cops after spotting twenty two year old Roger Alvarado climbing 686 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: the fire escape with use of a ladder, smashing a 687 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: window and letting himself in. Okay, the guy has come 688 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: all the way from Homestead, Florida. To Joseph Scott Morgan, 689 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: forensics expert you've testified in so many cases. The guy 690 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: comes all the way from Homestead, Florida to get into 691 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's soho her townhouse, breaks in, Nobody catches him, 692 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: even though he's leaned a ladder up against the building 693 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: and smashed a window to get in. This sah as not. 694 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't end like Goldilocks. Okay, he breaks in, he 695 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: takes a shower, he gets in her bed for what 696 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,479 Speaker 1: after traveling all that way? Joe Scott, Yeah, oh my god, 697 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: I'm exhausted just listening to this. It's idle hands or 698 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: the Devil's workshop. How how how do people like this 699 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 1: have time? How do they have the resources in order 700 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: to facilitate this? And go back to what you said, 701 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm imagining this guy walking down the street in Soho 702 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: of all places, carrying a ladder that would facilitate him 703 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: getting up to this height. How do they have the 704 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: means the ability? You know, I look at this and 705 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: I think, well, who else in their life is enabling 706 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: this behavior? Well? I think a lot of it has 707 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: to do, uh with what a steam council said just 708 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: a moment ago. The states. The States aren't taking a 709 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: heard enough look and a hard enough line. And I 710 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: think a lot of it comes back to families. Also. 711 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: We talked about this ranking guy. You know, his his 712 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, his family is obviously aware that he's delusional, 713 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: and and he's got his weapons back. And then you 714 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,359 Speaker 1: look at this guy, you know, what's his story? How 715 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: does he have the ability to make it all the way? 716 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: That's a long way, Nancy, from Homestead all the way 717 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: up to Oh my god, other one too, Alexis to 718 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: rest Chuck joining me from Radar online dot com. You're 719 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 1: there on the same from the last break in there 720 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: at Beverly Hills. This gun owning stalker tries to break 721 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: in wearing a mask with rubber gloves, but in his 722 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: car was a treasure trove of I would say, felony paraphernalia. 723 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: This guy is thirty eight year old Julius sand Rock. 724 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 1: Now do you know what all he had in his car? Alexis? 725 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: I believe I'll give you a hint. A twenty two 726 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: caliber handgun, a nine millimeter handgun, UH three eight handgun, 727 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: and a temporary restraining order. That's what's in his car. 728 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: He also had an empty gun holster, live rounds of 729 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: Ferraci ammo, latex gloves, black gloves, a knife, multiple masks, 730 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: a black half face mask, nine millimeter ammunition, an empty 731 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: box of twenty two caliber AMMI MMO, and black rope. 732 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: They found UH oxy codone anti depressants, and a t 733 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: r O signed by a judge the past Tuesday. Uh 734 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: do you know more than that? What can you tell 735 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: me about that guy, Alexis? Well, what do you say 736 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: about the guy's tailor? Has been aware of this and 737 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: what she has done in Beverly Hills. She has built again. 738 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: As I was saying, she she's so aware of this, 739 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 1: these stalkers, these men stalking her. She built a wall 740 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: around her house that was so high that the neighbors 741 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,919 Speaker 1: really started complaining about it. But then when you look 742 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: at what happens to her, what else can she possibly do? 743 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,839 Speaker 1: Can she have armed guards standing on towers around her house? 744 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: I mean a bunch of rman shepherds, so that this guy, 745 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: this is somebody that is very familiar to her. And 746 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 1: you know something that we have a real issue with 747 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: that you and I do is do we talk about 748 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: these people because the more that we talk about them 749 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: there we feel that, you know, they are feeding into 750 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,280 Speaker 1: this fame because they just can't get enough of hearing 751 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,800 Speaker 1: about themselves and Taylor Swift in it. As Dr Bethany 752 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: Marshall was saying, it really shows that they have a 753 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: relationship with her and they're not afraid of anything. They're 754 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: not afraid of the police, they're not a judge to 755 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 1: the similarity Alexis to rust Chuck, the last guy who Alvarado, 756 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: who travels from homes to Florida all the way to 757 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: New York to visit with Taylor Swift, who ends up 758 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,439 Speaker 1: naked and wet in her bed. Then you've got this 759 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: guy sand Rock. Listen to this. He's from Colorado where 760 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: he's had all sorts of problems in Colorado discharging firearms. 761 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure his family couldn't wait to get rid of him. 762 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 1: He goes all the way, travels from Colorado to l 763 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: A specifically to quote visit Swift. Both of them hold on, Alexis, 764 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: I need to give this to a shrink um. Dr 765 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, l A psychoanalysts also joining us from that location. 766 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, both of them travel thousands of miles to 767 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: get to Taylor Swift. I can do her home right. 768 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: And so what I think about that is that both 769 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: of them may have sort of a manic quality to 770 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: their disorder, meaning excessive amounts of energy. And we saw 771 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: this with Ranking two. You know that he bursts into 772 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: this waffle house and he's naked. Okay, this other guy 773 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: has all the one we're talking about just now has 774 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,479 Speaker 1: all the guns, the rope to paraphernalia, and the trunk 775 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: his car. They're coming from all over the United States. 776 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: Most stalkers do not have a psychiatric disorder, but the 777 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 1: ones that we're talking about today do appear to be manic, 778 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 1: to have enormous amounts of energy, and a Russian They're 779 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,399 Speaker 1: very preoccupied with the victim and probably have organized their 780 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: entire lives around gaining proximity to Bethany. Are you sitting down? 781 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: I am okay, you may need to lay down for 782 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: this because the Beverly Hill Stalker, not Alvarado, but the 783 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Stalker his arrest because just three weeks after, 784 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: another man named Bruce Raley was arrested in Connecticut for 785 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: allegedly robbing a bank because he said he was trying 786 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: to impress Taylor Swift. Oh no, yes, yes, Bethany. Yes, 787 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 1: they are coming out of the woodwork. Yes, any of them. Okay, 788 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: you know what. Taylor Swift somehow manages to land in 789 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,720 Speaker 1: the middle of this controversy at the waffle house again. 790 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 1: Right now, back to the waffle house shooter, the tip 791 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 1: line six eight six two eight six zero zero. We're 792 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:09,320 Speaker 1: hoping for a capture and the justice unfolds immediately. Nancy 793 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye, friend, h.