1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Coming to you from fabulous Las Vegas. The right side 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: is the winning side. The late move is the correct move. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Sports betting capital of the world. We all know when 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: a sharp like me weighs in the lines move, it's 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the Buffet with 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy at Buffet. 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: All right, we are back the Buffet Podcast with Chad 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: and Scooch from the Action Network and the good news 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: is that Scooch is back this week and we have 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: a loaded I already hear you laughing, Scooch, we have 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: a we have a loaded show. Later on in the show. Uh. 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: Four time All Star catcher Paul Laduca new contributor to 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: the Action Network. Nine year NFL that Jeff Schwartz also 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: new contributor to the Action Network. They're coming on add 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: stories this week talking about NFL win totals, Major League 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: Baseball win totals. Um, we're gonna talk about what happens 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: to athletes if gambling becomes legal and what they think 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: of that, what the conversation is in the locker room. Uh. 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: Last week I was in Vegas. Mike Grunew, producer Extraordinary, 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: was in Vegas. He went to a club. He made 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: some very big mistakes. He's going to talk about that 22 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: on the podcast. Scutcher I will run down the Sweet 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: six team. But before we do any of that, Stucky 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: is on the call and Stuck. He had a story 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: that we posted yesterday that he's going to explain that 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: leads to the most classic executive decision necessary uh, that 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: we've ever had on the Buffet podcast. Stuck, you're there, 28 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: take it away, brother. Tell us about the story, which, 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: by the way, people are like people think it's an 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: amazing story, or they think it's a it's a tragedy 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: beyond epic proportions, and you're purporting a myth just to 32 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: get page views. Tell us the story. Yeah, the I 33 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: love those people that say it's fake. I mean, most 34 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: of my followers have been following the story for years. 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: I've been tweeting about it, like six seven years every 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: time a sixteen seed played UM. But mainly those people 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: are the ones that don't follow me and UM. So anyway, 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: the story goes like this. Back in college, I went 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: to George Washington University in d C. Back in two 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: thousand seven. In April, after the tournament, I went to 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: the bar. We're just to meet a friend who's an 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: avid gambler like myself. UM, so this isn't just like, hey, 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: I bet you this, um. And we started talking about 44 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: sixteen seeds and we got an argument, and I said, 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: I think a sixteen seed is gonna win sooner rather 46 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: than later. He said, it's never gonna happen. The argument 47 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: kept going back and forth, so I said, look, I'll 48 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: bet you ten thousand dollars that a sixteen seed win 49 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: by the year, and he said, you're on. Now. It 50 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: might sound like an aggressive amount for college kids, but 51 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: you gotta remember this is like a thirteen year bet. 52 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: And we're also avid gamblers. We bet almost every day 53 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: all through college. So you know, we kept in touch 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: for a few years. And actually it was funny because 55 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: some people are like, well, it's just a drunk bet. Well, yeah, 56 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: we were drinking, but we talked about this all the 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: time during March. So we graduated, we kept in touch 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: about it. The first couple of years. Sixteen seats really 59 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: never even come close, and then we really lost touch. 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't even know his number anymore. I haven't talked 61 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: to him in six seven years. I don't do the 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: whole Facebook Instagram thing. I have no idea what he's 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: up to. So we we really didn't talk about anymore, 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: but it's something that I still followed, and coming into 65 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: this year, I was, you know, I always got I 66 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: still got excited. When the sixteen Verse one matchups were revealed. 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: I said, Wow, Penn has an actual shot, and I 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: thought this year, more than any it could happen. Well, Penn, 69 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, went up double digits but eventually collapsed. And 70 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: then you know, the last sixteen one game was UNBC 71 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: Virginia and it happened out of nowhere and it happened, 72 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: and it was almost anti climatic in a way. So 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: then I realized, oh, I want my bed. I was like, well, 74 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: but I kind of don't know what to do about it, 75 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: because what I feel bad, Like how I haven't talked 76 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: We've been talking six seven years. Like what do you do? 77 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: Do you call him and say, hey, I know I 78 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: haven't talked to in six seven years, but do you 79 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: have that ten thousand dollars from that bet we made 80 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: eleven years ago? Like that's a little messed up. Plus 81 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: I don't know where he's at in life, Like I mean, 82 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: I took. You know, he was a finance major like myself, 83 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: and so if he's on like Wall Street killing it, 84 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel bad. But you know, if he's struggling 85 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: and he just had a kid, I would I would 86 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: feel bad. So I don't even know how, you know, 87 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: I still haven't even reached out or even tried to. 88 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: I gotta. I think I'm just gonna reach out and 89 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: be like, hey, I hope all as well, don't worry 90 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: about it, and see what he does. Because ultimately, if 91 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: I had a you know, if I could simulate in 92 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: an a you know, parallel universe, if a sixteen seed 93 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: never won and we got the and he reached out 94 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: and said, you have that ten thousand, if I knew 95 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: he would do that, then I would feel better about 96 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: doing it. The other thing is that I if we 97 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: actually kept in touch the whole time, I knew when 98 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: the bet you know was going to end. This could 99 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: have happened at any time, and it did, which makes 100 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: me feel worse about it. So yeah, so that that's 101 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: kind of the dilemma of the whole story. Um is, 102 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: I won, But like I'm like, I don't know how 103 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: I'm going to actually collect on this alright, So number one, 104 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: do you want to say the guy's name, because there's 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: a very good chance he follows you on Twitter, he 106 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: listens to the podcast, he might be a subscriber to 107 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: the Action Network and of Senior Story. Do you want 108 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: to say his name because maybe he would reach out 109 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: to you, maybe, like if you put it in. My 110 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: mom is like very big into karma, right, She's very 111 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: big into If you say something out loud, then you 112 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: have let the universe know of your intentions and something 113 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: may happen. Like my parents are divorced, and my mom, 114 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe she's ready to date even though they 115 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: got divorced years ago. So she's like this year she said, 116 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: I'm ready to date. I'm going to tell the universe 117 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm ready to date. And uh, you know, she's hoping that, 118 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: you know, someone might call her even though she doesn't 119 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: actually meet anybody. That's the kind of thing that I'm 120 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: living with. So maybe you want to say, hey, his 121 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: name and maybe he'll get reach out to you. Well, 122 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: I mean I don't I would rather not give out 123 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: as impo, but he would know who I am. He 124 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: knows that I'm stucky, and if he read the story. 125 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: He would I mean he clearly knew. He would clearly know. Um, 126 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: his first name is Brian, I will say that. But 127 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: the he would know, and he knows who I am 128 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I don't think back when I first 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: started Twitter, I know he didn't have a Twitter. Um 130 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: so if he does have a Twitter, I don't know 131 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: about it. But he would know as soon as he 132 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: saw this story. So yeah, I mean, there's a couple 133 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: of things at plays and it wasn't just a like 134 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: I get when people say it was a one off thing. 135 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: You just said it and then you're supposed to. You know, 136 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: if you're in a bar with your buddy and you 137 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: say this team is never gonna win the Super Bowl, 138 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: I bet you have a hundred thousand dollars, and then 139 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: you bet it and then but that's that's it. That 140 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: if it happens twenty years later, you don't do anything 141 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: about it. But this is something that we would, you know, 142 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of you rip each other about. You know, for 143 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: the first couple of marches after the bets, it was 144 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: it was a known carryover effect. Scooch, what do you think, Well, 145 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: I've got a question for Stucky. Let's let's here's a hypothetical. 146 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: It's two thousand twenty, the tournament just ended, no sixteen 147 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: seeds upset at any number one seeds. Would you be 148 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: trying to reach out to find out where he's at 149 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: to give him the ten thousand dollars? No, but I know, um, 150 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: but I would you know I wouldn't actively go find it. 151 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: If he did reach out to me, Yes, I would 152 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: be prepared to pay him and would gladly pay um. 153 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: So that's the that's the dilemma. Is he waited waiting 154 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: for me? Is he does? He has he forgotten about it? 155 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't think he would have, but um, I would probably. 156 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't expect him to actively reach out to me, 157 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: right It's it's a matter of like do I reach 158 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: out to him? And how do I go about doing it? 159 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: And I don't want to like I don't want to 160 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: hurt my old friend like thous. I don't know the 161 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: situation right now. My personally, this is my take on it, 162 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: is you try to reach out, try to find him, 163 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: because it's it's an interesting bet. And I think even 164 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: from from everyone's perspective, I mean, you gotta at least 165 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: try to reach out to him, just to acknowledge the 166 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: fact that, hey, I won this bet, even if there's 167 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: no money exchange, Hey I won this bet. So I 168 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: think you try to find him, but I think you 169 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: treated like a collection agency would to where Okay, you 170 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: know you're probably not going to get the full balance 171 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: of what's owed, but you know, just acknowledge that the 172 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: bet was lost and maybe he offers something up. Yeah, 173 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good point, because that's was 174 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: pretty much what I have to think about the best 175 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: way to actually like reach out and find him. But 176 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking I would if I did end up 177 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: talking with him, you know. And I actually was a 178 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: bookie for a very small period of time in college, 179 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: and I was the worst book he ever because when 180 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: someone owed me a lot of money, I would be like, Okay, 181 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: just give me this or you don't have to pay 182 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: so um. So I was literally the only BOOKI they 183 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: probably ever lost money. But I would probably end up 184 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: just saying like, dude, just give me, you know, give 185 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: me five hours and what we'll meet up and buy 186 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: me a drink or something. Yeah. So yeah, that's bullshit. Man. 187 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: You get your you get your ten fucking grand, and 188 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: you invest that in Facebook by low Baby go ht 189 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: that stock. Well. One of the reasons why I'm I'm 190 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: waiting is I'm trying to find out, um about like 191 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: what he's doing first, Like, so I reached out to 192 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: a couple of friends because, like I said, if he's like, 193 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, running a hedge fund and he spends ten 194 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars on you know, a dinner at night in Manhattan, 195 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: then I don't care. Then I'll send him an email 196 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: at his company addressed and be like, you haven't sent that. 197 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: But he's just a regular working man. It's a little 198 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: more sensitive than you know, if you just had a 199 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: kid two months ago, I would feel a little bad 200 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: about it. I'm not like going to make my old 201 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: friend set up like payment plan, a payment plan to 202 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: pay me over time. Um. So yeah, I see both 203 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: sides of the coin. I feel like he Honestly, this 204 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: is about code, man. I mean, this goes to the 205 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: core of what we talked about on this podcast all 206 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: the time. Is like, there are a lot of good 207 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: vegas codes, and there are a lot of bad vegas codes. 208 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: But one of the good vegas codes is regardless of 209 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: the scenario, regardless of how long it's been since you 210 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,599 Speaker 1: spoke to somebody. You and a person who make it 211 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: be are two people that know the truth. And it 212 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: is your responsibility when you've lost that bet to reach 213 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: out and pay the person. It should not have to 214 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: be the person winning tracking you down and trying to 215 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: find out your life circumstances and trying to figure out 216 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: if it's something that they're going to be comfortable taking 217 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: your money like it is this guy's responsibility to man up, 218 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: call you up and say, I know we had this bet. 219 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm so psyched you one. I'm going to write you 220 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: a check for ten K or I know we had 221 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: this bet. I'm so psyched you one. I can't pay you. 222 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: I apologize. I always thought it wasn't good fun anyways. 223 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: But um, I think he owes you the explanation. I 224 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: think he owes it to you. That's what I think. 225 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a nice it's a I love that code. 226 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I better day. If you lose 227 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: a bet, you pay. If you winn a bet, you 228 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: should get paid. But the problem is, I mean that 229 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't get followed by almost I mean by a 230 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: lot of people. There's a reason why, you know, if 231 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: you talk too many books. They're always chasing people down. 232 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: People are you know, running on their balances, especially people 233 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: that bet on credit, which is one of the things 234 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: that's throwing and betting on credit. So a lot of 235 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: people don't follow that. But I agree with you that 236 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: if that was followed by every person, that's look like 237 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: the noble side of of gambling. And you know, some 238 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: people like myself do follow it like yow you money, 239 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I'll find a way and I'm paying you, um no 240 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: matter what. But you know it's not that's not as 241 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: close to the heart for everyone is it is to 242 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: you and myself? You know what, you know what, you 243 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: know what. I think it's funny. I picture since two 244 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: thousand seven, I picture this guy, Brian popping the bottle 245 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: of champagne every time the number one seed beats the 246 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: sixteen seed, like the seventy two Miami Dolphins, and then 247 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: and then this year when it when it happened, he's like, 248 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: oh ship, I gotta go into hiding. Yeah. See so 249 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: like but the other side of the court is that 250 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: if he became uber successful and he's making millions any 251 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: probably for he really did, probably forget it out. It 252 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: doesn't care, right so then Yeah, it's either it's either 253 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: one said then I then I wouldn't feel bad at that, 254 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: or yes, he was popping the champagne every year and 255 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: then he's like ready for Virginia UNBC for another year. 256 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: One left, and then he says, oh man, and then 257 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: he goes into hiding. There's either what I feel like, 258 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: it's either one of those two extremes. There's no way 259 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: he's ever forgotten this bet. There's just no way. It 260 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how many millions. Brian, who majored in finance 261 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: at g W and graduated in the late two in 262 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: the later latter part of the first decade of two 263 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: thousand's if you're listening, um, there's no way he's forgotten 264 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: this bet. Absolutely no way. It is a it is 265 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: a remember for the rest of your life. Tell this 266 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: story moment. He thinks about it every March, if not 267 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, no, I I agree with that. I mean, 268 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, I've been pretty drunk, oh certain times in 269 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: my life, but I think I've been pretty drunk. I 270 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: would always remember a ten thousand dollar bet. I don't 271 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: care how drunk I was. Yeah, No, this was this 272 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: was clear. Everyone was cognizant. We weren't like drunk, we 273 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: were drinking trending towards drunk. And you know, I was 274 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: talked about after the fact, So like I feel like 275 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: if it was a drunk bet that was never talked 276 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: about again, then you know, that's just you just chalked 277 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: that out the drunk. You can't be like, hey, remember 278 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: ten years ago you said this at the bar, Well 279 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: you got to pay me now, I mean, this was 280 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: something that was carried over. He he's talk me about 281 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: what he was going to spend the ten thousand on. 282 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: Because I think in the article I wrote about how 283 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: in the first three tournaments, not one single sixteens he 284 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: came within fourteen points, the average margin of victor was 285 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: like thirty. I was like, oh man, And so he's 286 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: he used to always I'm like, did I make the 287 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: wrong beat? And he used to always say, um, you 288 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna buy this. I'm gonna do this with 289 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: your money, so just like you know, kind of ripping me. 290 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: So it was definitely recognized and uh, it wasn't just 291 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: like a one time, one off comment. Wow, well here's 292 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: the problem, Like, scoot, you're gonna say something no, no, 293 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: here's the here's here's my dilemma. Is Uh, I like 294 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: resolution in my narratives, and so as much as I 295 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: would like to have Brian, who graduated with a degree 296 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: in finance from g W sometime in two thousand seven 297 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: two eight, um live by the code and just reach 298 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: out to you, which he hasn't done in the five 299 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: days since uh U NBC beat Virginia, I think you 300 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: need to find a way to get him so we 301 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: could have a follow up to the story. Like and 302 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: I think I think your path is probably the best one. 303 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: It's like, you find an email for him and you're 304 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: just like, dude, can you believe you NBC beat Virginia. 305 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: Remember that bet we had for ten k we made 306 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: it that bar we need to talk about totally, No, totally, 307 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: do not need to pay me. I just thought it 308 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: was a good opportunity to uh reconnect, hope things are 309 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: going well, and that's it. And let's then then you 310 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: have made the contact. It is on him to say, uh, 311 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: you know what, I totally owe you the money and uh, 312 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: if he's able and he lives by the covide, he'll 313 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: deal with it. That's what I think you should do. Yeah, 314 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, I guess that's I'm gonna I'm just 315 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: figuring out the best. Well, first I gotta figure out how, 316 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: and then uh yeah, I'm just gonna be like assault hey, 317 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, kind of in a joking way, like remember 318 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: this bat, how I just get I just gave it 319 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: to you. I gave you the line. I just gave 320 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: you the exact line. It's it's about the connection you're 321 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: reconnecting with Brian. It's not about the bet you defunct, 322 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: the bet you said. I just thought it was a 323 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: good opportunity to reconnect. Hope, life is good. Let's catch 324 00:16:53,120 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: up sometime. That's it. That's on him. Yeah, I agree. Well, 325 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: now how do we find his email? Um? Well, I'll 326 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: be able to get it. I know a couped people 327 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: that know him well, um that I reached out to. Alright, Stuck, 328 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: I need you to find his email. I need you 329 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: to email him, and then you need to write a 330 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: follow up story and then come back on the podcast 331 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: so we can get some resolution. All right, it sounds good. 332 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: All right, go back to work. We got good luck? 333 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: All right, all right, take care scoog. Yeah, so what 334 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: would you do there? Yeah? I think the same thing. 335 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean, reach out to him. I would just want 336 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: acknowledgement of winning the wager more than whatever amount of 337 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: money is going to be collected, if any Uh So, 338 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: I would you know, go through friends of friends to 339 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: find out where where he is and finally get his 340 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: contact information, whether it's a number or an email, just 341 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: like you said, and see what he says, you know, 342 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: feel him out. Speaking of acknowledgement, boy, did we have 343 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: a good time in Vegas last week? Wow? Yeah, what 344 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: an experience that that was nutty? So uh first up, Uh, 345 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: it was me on Wednesday night last week in Vegas 346 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: the Planned Games. We were invited to an event. I'm 347 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: not gonna sort of throw anyone under the bus here, 348 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: but we were invited to an event, uh to speak 349 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: to about four or five people and um that they 350 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: originally just asked me to come, and I said, Hey, 351 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: why don't I come with Scooch and we'll do like 352 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: a live podcast about it. They're like, great, we'll set 353 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: you up, we'll get you a table, you know, we'll 354 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: have the audience ready, all this kind of stuff. Grannell, 355 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: Mike Grannelle, the producer, came out. We took a picture 356 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: together that was fantastic. We had a couple other people 357 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: come out from the crew, and we were making a 358 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: whole sort of weekend of it, right, so uh, a 359 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: couple of things went wrong. Uh. Number one, as a 360 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: um giveaway for all the people there, we spent Uh 361 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: we bought future tickets on every team in the tournament, 362 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: and we were gonna give them away like in a 363 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: raffle form to get emails from people, like get sign 364 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: ups for the newsletter, etcetera, etcetera. So, uh, that's all good. 365 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: We get there, Scooch, why don't you pick it up 366 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: from here and tell me your perspective on this? And 367 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: then Grenelle, actually, Grannell, why don't you pick it up 368 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: and say when we walk in what happens? Well, we 369 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: walked in and we weren't given the table that we 370 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: The whole podcast situation was kind of um thrown away 371 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: because we weren't able to really record anything. There's there's 372 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: no table for us, so um so we so we 373 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: improvised and you guys got up on stage and you guys, uh, 374 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, did your your kind of a live Q 375 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: and a chat interviewing Scooch while uh, a few of 376 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: us handed out free tickets because we had gotten um, 377 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: you know, we had placed five dollars four times on 378 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: every team in the tournament. So we were handing up 379 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: free tickets that uh, we're from a different book, and 380 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: they were not too happy with us, and they told 381 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: us to get the f out all right, So chat 382 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: I got. I gotta just tell from from my perspectives 383 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: real quick. I mean, just I don't like being downtown 384 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: to begin with. This was you had me. You had 385 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: me go downtown and I was greeted. I swear, I 386 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: walk into this casino and I see a guy I 387 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: haven't seen in twenty years when I used to probably 388 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: longer than that, almost thirty years, when I used to 389 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: work down at the Fremont and he said, hey, I 390 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: haven't seen you and forever we're yet And I said, 391 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: I'm at the Orleans now. He said, hey, you think 392 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: if I come down there, I can get like a 393 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: free meal. I mean, this is how I'm greeted, as 394 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: I wanted. I'm telling you. So we walk into this room, 395 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: like you said, there's five people, we don't know where 396 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: to go. The table's not ready, so they bring like 397 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: Grenelle said, they bring us up on stage. You and me, 398 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: and they take us through the back where it's dark. 399 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: We can't see now. The stage had an N I 400 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: T game going on that they turned off the game 401 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: for us to go on stage, and then we get 402 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: up there and we're already here like boom because they 403 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: turned the game off. Then you ask, hey, is does 404 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: anyone have any questions? And there's crickets, nobody has a question. 405 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: I felt. I felt like a bad vaudeville team going 406 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: on between the strippers, like where people who are just 407 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: looking for hey, who are you guys again? And it's dark, 408 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: we're trying to look at the sheet with the flashlight 409 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: from an iPhone. I mean, this was something else. So 410 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: then you know, we did mention. I tried not to 411 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: mention what book I was from, but I think eventually 412 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: it came up in conversation and they were none to 413 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: have be that I was from a competing sports book. 414 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: Well you've got it all right. We got up on 415 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: that stage, which was dark because they didn't have any 416 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: lights because it was meant to broadcast a basketball game, 417 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: so you wanted a sort of as dark as possible. 418 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: Um So I honestly thought we were going to have 419 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: have beer bottles thrown at us, like we were in 420 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: a bad basement comedy club working out our routine for 421 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: like drunks who had hatred and like had no interest 422 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: in seeing us at all, except I do recall, like, 423 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, we're going out there, and 424 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: like we had one mic that we had to share, 425 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: like you said, it was dark, and so we want 426 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: to talk about the brackets. But the only thank god 427 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: you brought like a printed copy of a bracket. We 428 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: had to use your phone flashlight to look at the brackets. 429 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: And I if, I don't know that anyone listened to 430 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: us except a couple of times. A couple of times 431 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: you said like Arizona, and there were Arizona fans who 432 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: started at one time. One time I said, I said 433 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: the name Scooch, and people were like Scooch. So so 434 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: we were there were some people listening, but like, I 435 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: don't think it ever. I don't think the volume level 436 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: in that place ever got beneath like a seven. I 437 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: don't think anyone was listening to us. The only good 438 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: thing was happening was Grinnelle, and um, this was funny. 439 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: So like when it was clear that nothing like we 440 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: we were going to periscope this thing. We were gonna 441 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: do a live podcast. Um, when it was clear that 442 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: none of this was going to be possible, I said 443 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: to Grinnell and the other guys, I'm like, Okay, our 444 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: only goal right now is give away the future tickets 445 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: and collect emails to like add to our subscriber database 446 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: and things like that. And so, uh, I'm like, guy 447 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: his hand to hand combat. Right now, you were going 448 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: table to table, person to person and just telling people 449 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: what we're doing and making these trades. And so before 450 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: you knew it, Grenell, God love him. The guy is 451 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: Fearless had a line of like fifty people in front 452 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: of the stage. So we're on the stage like talking 453 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: and Grenelle has a line of people just handing out 454 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: future stickets and uh, that's when he said to me, Yeah, 455 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna get kicked out of here. While we were 456 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: you were talking, he asked me to come over. He 457 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: whispered to me, We're going to get kicked out of here, 458 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: and that was basically the end of Oh man, that 459 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: was fantastic. Yeah, I was kind of shocked because you 460 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: the guy came up to me and was talking about 461 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: the podcast and everything and he listens to the podcast. 462 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: I think he was from St. Louis and uh, and 463 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you disappeared. So I'm like, 464 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: where'd you go? And then when you came back, you're like, dude, 465 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: we just got kicked out of here. Yeah, we're done. 466 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: The best was the best was this is so gorilla. 467 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: Later that night, Uh, Grinnell and another one of the 468 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: guys had this bracket, a big bracket that we'd printed out, 469 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: and uh, they were walking around the MGM and I'm like, 470 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: let's just make a video of like people filling out 471 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: the bracket, fans filling out the bracket, and we'll do 472 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: something fun with it. Uh. Five minutes after they go 473 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: to do it, Grinnell calls me and he's like, yeah, 474 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: we just kicked out. We just got kicked out of 475 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: the mg M two. No wait, yeah, they weren't happy 476 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: with us. Tell tell what happened. So we were we 477 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: were kind of so we're doing it out like right 478 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: in front of the sports book, which was probably wasn't 479 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: a smart idea, and it was this guy staring at 480 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: us like wherever we went for about fifteen to twenty minutes, 481 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: like we'd we'd probably walk like, you know, twenty yards 482 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: thirty yards. He'd follow us kinda to see what we 483 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: were doing. So we we finally walked like completely away 484 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: from the sports book and we walked to the bar 485 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: and the we we were doing it over by the bar, 486 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: and the bartender said, um, you're gonna get kicked out 487 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: if you do that, and um, you know, ten minutes later, 488 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: security guard came over and basically told us that no 489 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: more of that. Uh So, those those were our adventures 490 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: in Vegas and all of it was grand, like, it 491 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: was so much fun. And we walked out of there 492 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: just we were you know, it was a fiasco, and 493 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: we laughed about it and shrugged it off and moved 494 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: on to the next day. And uh, you know, the 495 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: tournament has been amazing and really fun and great success 496 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: for the Action Network and so we're excited about it. 497 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: But I woke up I think early Saturday morning. Grenelle 498 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: left Friday night. I left, uh the sports book Friday 499 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: night with a buddy who came to visit, and we 500 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: went out to dinner and Grannelle and some other folks 501 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: were still at the book doing work and whatever. And 502 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: then uh, I guess Grunell went out after Grunel. Why 503 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: don't you tell us what had happened? Well, I, um, 504 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, it was my first time in the beautiful 505 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 1: city of Las Vegas. So I decided I would, uh, 506 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, go out and about see the town, check 507 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: it out. And uh I went to a club and 508 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, so uh in in Tiesto, uh world renowned 509 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: DJ happened to be playing at the club. I'm I'm 510 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: a big fan of Tiesto. So I'm thinking, you know, 511 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: why why don't I try and get into the v 512 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: I P section and you know, maybe I'll meet Tisto. 513 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of people. I could see a bunch 514 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: of people in the V I P section. So I 515 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: go up to the big guy, one of the big 516 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: guys standing in uh in front of the V I 517 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: P section. I started talking to him for a little 518 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: bit and I'm like, hey, you know, buddy, if I 519 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: give you a hundred bucks, you know you think you 520 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: could let me in here. And he goes, yeah, absolutely, 521 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: So I hand him a hundred bucks and he just 522 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: like like he didn't even know me, took the hundred 523 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: bucks and just walked away. And then I, uh, I 524 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that he was not a bouncer, 525 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: he did not work there, and I just lost your books. 526 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is classic. First, I gotta know, 527 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: like this was great. So we were at the sports 528 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: book basically forty eight hours on Thursday and Friday. Um. 529 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: On Friday, Grenell was that the sports book. He left 530 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: came back in an entirely different outfit. I know, I 531 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: just had a sweatshirt on. It looked like I was 532 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: in a different outfit, but I put I just had 533 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: just had a sweatshirt on. Oh no. We were convinced, 534 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: like Cornell, like, how many outfits did he bring to 535 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: Vegas for forty eight hours? I brought a ton I'm 536 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: a big, big outfit guy. I gotta look good. You 537 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: never know, you never know, you could meet your potential wife. 538 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: So who did you go to the public? Um? There's 539 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys that I happened to know 540 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: in Vegas that happened to be there at the time. 541 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: So I met up with one of them and we 542 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: just we walked over there. I actually saw him on 543 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: the way back from the sports Book and uh, he 544 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: told me he left his crew, and I said, I 545 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: I had left mine and I was going to go 546 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: to bed, and he convinced me to go out with him. 547 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: And that was kind of that. God, I love that. 548 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: That is so good. All right, So Cornell lost a 549 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: hundred bucks. He didn't get to meet Tso and he 550 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: didn't get into the V I P Section, which is 551 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: such a bummer. Um but still, and we got kicked 552 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: out of two different casinos. Um, but a good time 553 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: was had by all. Great time. At the end of 554 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: the day, we all had a blast. Scooch. We should 555 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: take a few minutes and run through the Sweet sixteen. Um. So, uh, 556 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: why don't we do that. Let's look at Illinois, uh, 557 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: Illinois Chicago and Nevada, because Illinois Chicago is actually playing 558 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: in one of the lesser tournaments. So I've had a 559 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: lot of people get miss misunderstood about that. Thank thank 560 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: you for correcting me. Uh yeah, so uh, you know, 561 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: don't forget we have a lot of Nevada loyalists here, 562 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: even though we're down south and most of the Reno 563 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: bettors are up north. And I know, I talked to 564 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: some of my buddies that have casinos up in Reno 565 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: and they got absolutely annihilated on that. Since the Nevada game. Uh, 566 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: whereas down south here in Las Vegas, we actually needed 567 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: Nevada to win that game. So uh, here we go again. 568 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: We're probably a little heavier on Nevada, but that's probably 569 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: only because of the uh, the local affiliation here. The 570 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: bigger money's on Loyal Chicago, and the Lion actually came 571 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: down a little bit from Nevada open to two point favorite, 572 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: we're down to one and a half now. Some of 573 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: the sharper actions seems to be on Loyal in Chicago. Uh. 574 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: And again I think it's just uh the fact that 575 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: there's some the Nevada fans here that make the ticket 576 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: count a little higher on Nevada. Why do you think 577 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: the wise guys are on Loyola? Is his sister Geane. 578 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, they've been really high on this team, and 579 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: that was one of the things we actually talked about 580 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: in our brief time up on stage. There is one 581 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: of the teams that could kind of be a bracketbuster, 582 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: and that uh in that bracket. Of course, it turned 583 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: out to be uh U NBC instead, but they're both 584 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: out of that same bracket and uh, A lot of 585 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: professionals have watched this team play all year, and we're 586 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: really high on them coming into the tournament. You know, 587 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: they get by on that that lass second shot against 588 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: Miami to get them to the to the next round. 589 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: But uh, but then another upset against Tennessee and uh, 590 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: here we are again. You know that it's basically a 591 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: pick um game. And uh, looking at looking at this matchup, 592 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: I think that there's probably a little bit more value 593 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: on Loyal Chicago. So uh, I was at the west 594 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: Gate at the Westgate sports Book on Thursday and Friday, 595 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: and uh, they do a phenomenal job. J Scooch. I 596 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: know you're good friends with Jay, and the west Gate 597 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: does a phenomenal job with sort of their sports book, 598 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: and they have a huge arena. You know, they've got 599 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people there. Um, and so they have 600 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: two different spots and so on Thursday morning, they were 601 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: having a little bit of trouble with their UH app 602 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: and I bet a significant amount on Loyola Chicago UH 603 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: to to win against Miami, and um, I pressed the 604 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: button and it said that like the app timed out 605 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: and my bet wasn't made. So I did it again 606 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: instead it timed out, bet wasn't made. I did it 607 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: again and uh, so you know it still didn't it 608 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: timed out as the third time was happening. Uh. They 609 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: made an announcement that they were having some technical difficulties 610 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: with the app at that moment and they gotta fixed quickly. Um. 611 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: But that if you were making bets, don't repeat the 612 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: bet because if it's timing out, your bet is actually 613 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: going in. I had three significant Betsola to win that game, 614 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: and I had to decide, like, am I gonna roll 615 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: with it? Am I going to try to get like 616 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: one of the bets in and get the other two refunded? 617 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: Like what am I gonna do? I was like, yeah, 618 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm going for it. So uh when Loyola 619 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: won that game on that last second shot like that, honestly, 620 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: that made my weekend. I was like I was so 621 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: far ahead, um for the weekend because of I bet 622 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: that game three times. That is fantastic. I love it 623 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: right Yeah? Yeah, so there you go, good for good 624 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: for mistakes. Michigan is a two and a half point 625 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: favorite over Texas A and M Boy, that's a tough one. 626 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: That Texas A and ND team. They looked just phenomenal. Yeah, 627 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: they really did. Um. Uh we I'm actually surprised at 628 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: this one. We opened, Uh. We opened Michigan a three 629 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: point favorite. Michigan has drawn so much action in every 630 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: single game. Uh, but they've actually been pretty good to 631 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: us because uh uh they didn't cover the first game 632 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: against Montana, and then I think one of the most 633 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: exciting times of the entire tournament was that buzzer beater 634 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: against Houston that actually cost us a ton of money 635 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: because we needed Houston on the money line and with 636 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: Michigan uh down a couple of points at three pointer 637 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: to to win the game was just a dagger. But 638 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: Michigan again has just been drawn a ton of action, 639 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: and now they flip flopped and like you said, they 640 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: saw a Texas A and M team that that looked fantastic, 641 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: so they've kind of gone the other way. We're a 642 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: little bit heavier in ticke account on Texas A and 643 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: M and on the money, So this will be the 644 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: first game so far that we actually need Michigan. Are 645 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: the wise guys done? Texas and ever? Is like everybody, 646 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: every everybody's on Texas A and M, the wise guys 647 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: and the public, so uh, I could actually see this 648 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: line going down. We've already adjusted the money line down 649 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 1: from a dollar fifty down to a minus of dollar 650 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: forty on Michigan. So uh, they're grabbing Texas A and 651 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: M on the money line here. Um, I don't think 652 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: anyone's at two yet, but I can see a lot 653 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: of small bets coming in, four bets coming in on 654 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: Texas A and M even as we speak, So um, 655 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: I could easily see this line going down to two. 656 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: All right, everybody's darling. Now Kentucky is a five and 657 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: a half point favorite over Kansas State. Yeah, yeah, uh 658 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: so this might be of the Thursday games. It's the biggest, 659 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: uh in terms of ticket account there's more bets on Kentucky, 660 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: uh than any of the eight teams there. That uh, 661 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: just all public money on Kentucky. But we do have 662 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: some sharp money on KSE State, and we opened this 663 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: game six and a half, So some of that early 664 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: money on KSE State from the sharp guys was just 665 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: really grabbing a value number because there were some five 666 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: and a half and we were out there at six 667 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: plus six and a half, so they grab plus six 668 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: and a half, They grabbed a little bit of plus six. 669 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of places around town that 670 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: still have five and a half, But again we're looking 671 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: at that ticket count and if it's this heavy now, 672 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: then by tip off time tomorrow, this is gonna be 673 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: our biggest game of the day. And you know, with 674 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: our properties, you know, we have a lot of properties 675 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: in town and there are a lot of locals properties. 676 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: Most of our bets on the sweet sixth team will 677 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: come in like a couple hours before the game, so 678 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: our our action hasn't even come in yet. And we 679 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: know it's gonna be on Kentucky. So even though everyone's 680 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: at five and a half now, I could see a 681 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: lot of places in Vegas closing at six. How about 682 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: Gonzaga Florida State. Gonzaga is going to the Final four. 683 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: I had them going to final four. The rest of 684 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: the rest of my bracket has blown because I had 685 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: since the in Michigan State in the finals and since 686 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: they're winning, but Kanza is going to the final four. Man, Yeah, 687 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, outside of that one little spell when they 688 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: let Ohio State back in the game after opening up 689 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: a fifteen to nothing run to open the game. Uh, 690 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: they they had a little hiccup, but they recovered quickly 691 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: and then one that game and covered easily against Ohio State. 692 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: This team, a lot of people had them going pretty 693 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: deep into the turn tournament. And uh, they have such 694 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: a huge following out here on the West Coast, you know, 695 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: especially here. We're here at the Orleans and we have 696 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: the West Coast Conference Tournament here every year. So even 697 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: if you were in a Gonzaga fan five years ago, 698 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: you became one now because you've watched them for so 699 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: many years here coming to Vegas and playing in this tournament. 700 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: So there's a huge following for Gonzaga. You could just 701 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: hear the sports books every time, you know, they sink 702 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: a three. Uh, no matter who they're playing, they just 703 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: have just such a such a fan base and they 704 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: travel really well. So I would expect to hear a 705 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: lot of Gonzaga fans, you know, even at the game. 706 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: So uh, we're at minus five and a half. Um, 707 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: I could see the line going up to six. That 708 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: ticket accounts pretty heavy. It's uh, not as heavy as Kentucky, 709 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: but it's probably the second most beat team of those 710 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: Thursday Slate is the wise Guy money on the other side. 711 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: Haven't gotten any wise Guy money on this game at all, 712 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: So UM, I'm not sure if they if they're just 713 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: wait to get a better number. Uh, doesn't seem like 714 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: they were really high on Florida State even in their 715 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: previous games. Didn't get a whole lot of money on 716 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: on Florida State in the previous games, especially compared to 717 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: some of these other teams that made it to the 718 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,479 Speaker 1: Sweet six. Team, Uh, really just one of the teams 719 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: that are kind of like, oh, they're there too, so 720 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: it's not a whole lot of action on them. What 721 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: about Ku? Like Ku was one of those teams nobody 722 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: really was one of those number one sees that people 723 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: are not high on. Yeah, they've got a easier path 724 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: there a four and a half and they played Clemson, 725 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 1: um not so easy, Like they still have to face 726 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: Duke if they move on. But what do you think 727 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: of that game? Well, like you said, Kansas is one 728 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: of those teams that's you know, parentna, parentna. I can't 729 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: say that word, but everything that's the word. Yeah, my 730 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: my mouth doesn't working today. Every year that they're either 731 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 1: number one or number two seed, people feel like they're 732 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna go down, that they're they're not that they they 733 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: never really cover the spreads, but unless they're laying a 734 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: short number, so it's it's odd that's Kansas is laying 735 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: a big number. Uh, they bet the dog, and if 736 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: they're laying a short number, they kind of lay the favorite. 737 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: So in this one, the public is on Kansas. We're 738 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: at minus four and a half. The sharp guys are 739 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: are on Clemson though, so we got some some bigger 740 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: money on Clemson taking the plus four and a half. 741 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: All the public money is on is on Kansas at 742 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: minus the four and a half. And I gotta tell 743 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: you this was, if I had to pick one single 744 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: biggest moment for the sports book in the tournament, it 745 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: was when Kansas was up eighty three to seventy eight. 746 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: I think it was or seven, Oh, no, seventy six. 747 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: Eighty three is seventy six against Seaton Hall and they 748 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,479 Speaker 1: were laying, uh four and a half against Seaton Hall. 749 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you remember, with no time 750 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: left on the clock, a seemingly meaning meaningless three pointer 751 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: from Seaton Hall that made the final score eighty three 752 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: to seventy nine Kansas did not cover by the hook 753 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: was our biggest moment in the entire tournament. I mean 754 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: that that day, if you remember Villanova had one. By 755 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: twenty Duke had won. By twenty Gonzaga was up big 756 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: on Ohio State, Kentucky had already covered. All the favorites 757 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: were just absolutely rolling. And if Kansas had covered that 758 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: game against Seton Hall, we would have gotten absolutely annihilated. 759 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that many people realize how 760 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: big that three pointer or at the end of the 761 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: game was, but that saved our day. Well, we wrote 762 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: about it at the Action Network, uh, because we have 763 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: this column about bad beat on Monday, and so I 764 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: got about it quite a bit. I gotta read that 765 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: thing totally check out. Speaking of uh, don't forget that 766 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: after Scooch is gone. Uh. From this podcast, we have 767 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: Paul la duca former All Star catcher Major League Baseball 768 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: who's writing for the Action Network in Jeff Schwara's tenure 769 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,479 Speaker 1: NFL VET also writing for the Action Network. They're gonna 770 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: come on and talk about their latest stories. MLB season 771 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: win totals, NFL season win totals, um that are all 772 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: changing a little bit because of free agents. Scoots. Let's 773 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: talk about Nova, the prohibited favorite in West Virginia. I 774 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: like this game Nova a five and a half with 775 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: the favorite everyone likes Nova, and there's another team that 776 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: just kind of keeps just rolling along. I mean, uh 777 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: they are just kind of covering easily now, so they 778 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: seem like, uh, you know, the most legit number one team. 779 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: So uh uh all it's just all one sided on 780 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: this one, both from the public side and the and 781 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: the wise guy side. Um, I boy, you know what, 782 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: we might have a line change just right right now 783 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: as we're at five and a half, but we're really 784 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: close to going to six, and I think I'm gonna 785 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: go to six. Mind change, mind change, you know, are 786 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 1: you ready? Yeah? So we opened five on the game, 787 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: we went to five and a half and now we're 788 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,800 Speaker 1: at and now we're at six. So just all completely 789 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: one sided. Uh boy, we're just gonna be big West 790 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: Virginia fans on on Friday. I don't even know if 791 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: Grinella was listening. He's like he's got a head at 792 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: Tiesto right now. Hud Bucks back, uh Duke, big, big 793 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: favorites over Syracuse. I know the wise guys are going 794 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: to come in on Syracuse in this game, absolutely, you know, 795 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: and I've heard it throughout just kind of milling around 796 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: with all the people in the sports book that they 797 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: love Syracuse in the role of a big underdog. It 798 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: seems no matter how mediocre the team is, once they 799 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: get into the tournament, uh, they just turn it up 800 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: a notch and especially getting a lot of points. I 801 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: expect this to be a lot closer uh than a 802 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: lot of people think. The wise guys have already come 803 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: in on it. And to be honest with you, the 804 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: public is actually favoring Syracuse to the ticket account is 805 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: not favoring Duke in this one. The ticket account is 806 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: actually about a three to two favorite on on Syracuse. 807 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: So I think the public feels the same way that 808 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: you do that it's just a little too many points 809 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 1: for a Sweet Sixteen game. Alright, last game of the 810 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,919 Speaker 1: Sweet Sixteen, Perdue is a one and a half point 811 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: favorite over text a Tech. He had not a whole 812 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: lot of action on this. You know a lot of 813 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: people just they were really high on Perdue, but obviously 814 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: after after the injury, the Hasta, they've kind of backed 815 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: away a little bit. They're just not quite certain about them. 816 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 1: It's basically a pick um game. We opened Perdue minus 817 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: one and a half. We have no movement on it whatsoever. 818 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: Ticket account slightly heavier on Perdue, but just out of 819 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: all the games on the board, I think we have 820 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 1: the least action overall on this one than of anyone. 821 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: So um, we'll see if the wise guys come in 822 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: on it, but they haven't so far. All right, Here's 823 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: who I have coming out of the since we won't 824 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 1: talk again until the final four. Here's why I have 825 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: coming out of these brackets. I have Kentucky, I have Gonzaga, 826 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: I have Nova, and I have Duke. I have to 827 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: agree with that. Of all the teams left, I agree. 828 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: There you go. See what do the Yeah, yeah, I 829 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: know it's an anticlimactic that we're not on opposite size, 830 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,919 Speaker 1: but I'm with you, all right, it scooge. Listen, there's 831 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,439 Speaker 1: nobody kicking us off of this podcast. So, uh, thanks 832 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: for joining me today. No, thank you. It's good seeing you. Good. 833 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: Good meeting Grannelle face to face the first time we 834 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 1: got a chance to actually meet, so it was the pleasure. 835 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: Same here. We'll see you next time you're out of course. Alright, 836 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: fright bye, Alright, it's time for the second half of 837 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: the buffet. I'm calling this segment pro athletes who gamble, 838 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 1: uh and with me? Are Paul la duca former All 839 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: Star Major League Baseball catcher UH contributor to the Action 840 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 1: Network whose first story went up on Wednesday or late 841 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: Tuesday night looking at MLB season win totals. UH. Jeff Schwartz, 842 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: veteran NFL lineman, also contributor to the Action Network, whose 843 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: stories UH first two stories went up in the past week, 844 00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 1: looking at NFL wind totals. Paul, Jeff, thank, I appreciate it. 845 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: What are you away lasting already? What is? Because I 846 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: just have I already know me and Jeff already just 847 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: the same personality, and it's going to be a rip fest, 848 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna it's gonna love every part of it. 849 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: Except I grew up with Giants fan. Is that okay 850 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,919 Speaker 1: with you? No, that's all right. I mean, here's the deal. 851 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: I am a Jets fan, but like mini Jets fan. 852 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 1: I actually was a kid that was born in Brooklyn 853 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: and grew up in Arizona. So I actually I am 854 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: a Cardinals fans. So don't kill me for that. No, 855 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: I actually mean a Sancisco Giants baseball fan. Okay, then 856 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: I don't like you. I'm not. I don't root for 857 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: any football team really besides the Cheese because my brother 858 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: plays for them and I played for so many. But 859 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: now I make sense as a Giants fan, like hard 860 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: you make a good point, you know, as a professional athlete, 861 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, do I root for the Mets. Yeah, 862 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: They're my childhood team, I grew up with. I got 863 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: a dream to play with them, play for them. The Dodgers, 864 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: I do dream foundation stuff. But like, I'm not a 865 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: big I'm not really a big health fan as somebody 866 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,879 Speaker 1: when you it's really hard to go back and watch 867 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: and still to this day, I haven't gone back and 868 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: watch the nine any game. It's just like I have 869 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: nothing personal. It's just like I sat through a hundred 870 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: and eighty million national ranthems and all that stuff. I 871 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: don't need to do it anymore. You know, it's interesting, 872 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: you guys, go ahead, keep talking. You don't need me 873 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: keep going. No, it makes told. I've been to one 874 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: for football game since I retired two years ago. It 875 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: was my brother's game, and I have zero desire to 876 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: go back to any other any other games. You know, 877 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,919 Speaker 1: Jeff's right, Like you know, many people hit us. I'm 878 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: sure Jake gets the same things like I have clubhouse 879 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: guys that I can get tickets for, and then people 880 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 1: invite me to games this and that, and they take 881 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,879 Speaker 1: it personal, and I'm like, bro, it's just like it's 882 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: it's in an ego check or not. I don't know, Jeff. 883 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it is for you, but I'm like, the game 884 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: does get easier. I'll be arnest with you on that one. 885 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: But I don't want to be sitting in the seventi 886 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: eight throw. I used to sit right there, I be 887 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: on home plate, and then to me, it's just it 888 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: does nothing for me. I rather up on a chair. 889 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: Plus on Sundays, I have to work. I have to 890 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: watch all the games on Sundays. They can't just spend 891 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: my day at entire stadium. So it's not worth it 892 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: for me to go to football games anymore. Yeah. I 893 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: never thought of it that way. I never thought of 894 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: it that way. God, that's so interesting that both of you, 895 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: who played so many games and so many years and 896 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: spent so much time thinking about getting to the professional 897 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 1: level of your sports. Uh, you leave the game and 898 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: have no interest in attending a game. The To me, 899 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: there's nothing more exciting than as a fan. And also 900 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: now you know I've been a sports writer and in 901 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: the sports media business for a long time and going 902 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: to a lot of games. Um, it still feels amazing 903 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: to walk into a stadium and like come through a 904 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: tunnel and look at the open expanse of a field. 905 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I gotta get a rush from that every 906 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 1: single time I enjoy I enjoy well, okay, wherever whoever 907 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,320 Speaker 1: being better than that. But I enjoyed going to baseball 908 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: Like I go to baseball games, and I enjoyed that 909 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 1: feeling of walking the ballpark and seeing the park. I'm 910 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,359 Speaker 1: still that excitement doing that or going to the basketball game. 911 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: But like when I watched the football game, I was 912 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: that with my brother. Um, it's a little weird at 913 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: first to be on the field. I was gonna feel 914 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 1: for warm ups. It's a little weird, um, And then 915 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of anxious. Like my wife 916 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: could tell. It was kind of a little like off 917 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: for a little bit, um, And then I settled in 918 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,840 Speaker 1: during the game a little bit more. Um. It just 919 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: was an odd feeling. I just I was like, I'm 920 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,919 Speaker 1: sitting in the crowd knowing that I played the game, 921 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: and I just to havevy design to really be there 922 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,359 Speaker 1: besides the root for my brother. I it's like taking 923 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: my words out of the mouth, like you almost want 924 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: somebody you can root for, you know what. Jeff having 925 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: as brother is a good thing. You know, he can 926 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: at least go to the stadium. But I'm with him 927 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,320 Speaker 1: whenever I go out on the field and do stuff 928 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,359 Speaker 1: for the Mets and then the regular players come out, 929 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's an awkward feeling, it really is. He's right, 930 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like, uh, I never waited in line 931 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: and a nightclub when I played. I never did that. 932 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: The regular parking Jeff knows, I used the parking the 933 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: players parking line. I ain't parking in a mile the way. 934 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we got that's the bottom line. That is 935 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: the bottom line. And listen, Louver is gonna drop me 936 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: off at Gate A and my tickets are sitting there 937 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting in the fleet. I'm sorry. I'm being 938 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: honest with you because the thing about it is is 939 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: like and like Jeff said, it's an awkward feeling, and 940 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 1: he's right, you know, I love Actually I was never 941 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: a big basketball fan when I grew up, but like 942 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: I love going to watch basketball live, and then I 943 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: end up really loving the hockey live. And I'm not 944 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,800 Speaker 1: a guyant hockey fan, but to watch both of the 945 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,799 Speaker 1: sports live were different for me. But when I walk 946 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,720 Speaker 1: into a major league stag um um, it's like, Okay, 947 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 1: I've been there, done that, you know, and I put 948 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,840 Speaker 1: it this way. I know, oh, Canada probably better than 949 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: our national anthem. I heard it so many times that 950 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: is awesome. All right, let me let me get to 951 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,840 Speaker 1: the point at hand here, because, uh, Jeff, you've been 952 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 1: on the podcast before and you did the Super Bowl 953 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: show with us um. But as for an introduction, I 954 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: feel like briefly people need to know about both of 955 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: your interests and experiences with betting. So Jeff, you start 956 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: just sort of talk a little bit about how you 957 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: came to be interested in gambling and how that's you 958 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: know that and that's why you're with the Action Network 959 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, So, you know, I've always kind of 960 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: had you know, I know that my grandfather, who passed 961 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: away before I was born, was betting horses every day, 962 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: and so I kind of let me have that little 963 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,759 Speaker 1: one of me and I'm a horse betting fan. But 964 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,920 Speaker 1: um knew you on Twitter. A lot of my friends 965 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: who cover sports, uh gamble, and they might not say 966 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: it publicly, but I know they do. And as soon 967 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: as I retired, I was like, you know what, I'm 968 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: gonna do this, And so I basically knew the last 969 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: year was twenty sixteen September October November, and I knew 970 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: no one was I was getting called I was done. 971 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: So I retired, started gambling a little bit um that December, 972 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,280 Speaker 1: and then really hit it hard for the college football 973 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: playoffs and and the regular season, I mean the NFL 974 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: playoffs as well. It was a lot of fun. And 975 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: then I don't do too much other sports, you know, 976 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: anti double A tournaments going on now, but I really 977 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Adds some excitement. You're you know, you watch 978 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: games sometimes that you never really watched because you got 979 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: a couple of bucks on it. Um. You know, I 980 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: don't gamble to support an income. Is do it for fun, um. 981 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: And it just gives me another way to look at 982 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: at at sports. Um. You know, using different ways to 983 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,719 Speaker 1: think about the game. And you know, sometimes and I 984 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: talked about this, you know, the way I perceive a 985 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: game is often quite opposite with the way Vegas perceives 986 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: a game. So it's quite fascinating to as I bet 987 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,800 Speaker 1: typically how I want to bet, and not really what 988 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,759 Speaker 1: Vegas or Vegas just says I should bet. And so 989 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 1: it's always weird for me when I'm like, I know 990 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: this is supposed to happen, but again, and Vegas was 991 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: right again and and so I have this weird dilemma 992 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: that should I stick with what I think I know 993 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,760 Speaker 1: or so I trust Vegas. Well, I think the answer 994 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: is always trust Vegas. I know. But but but but 995 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: my job is to talk about the NFL, so I 996 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: think I know what I'm talking about. So when I 997 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, and it really kills me in prop betting 998 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: because I've lost many props by a yard or two. Um, 999 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: when I think that I know how a team is 1000 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 1: gonna game plan someone, and it's so upsetting, like despite 1001 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,439 Speaker 1: my comparite a yard, like oh just get one more yard, 1002 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: come on, and that's where it kills him or anything else. 1003 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 1: But I found some fun way to take advantage of 1004 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: I haven't played before, so it's a ton of fun. 1005 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: I love it. Um. Maybe I'll get into more other 1006 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: other sports as we keep going. But it was a 1007 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 1: rough year for football, but I still had fun doing it. Laduca, 1008 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: I feel like you have so much you could teach 1009 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: this guy. Well we have. We have a little bit 1010 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: of the same background. Although my father was the one 1011 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: that took me to the race back. I mean, I 1012 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 1: was a kid that was, um, you know line to 1013 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: my mother where I was cutting class and act. You know, 1014 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I was always a math wizard 1015 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,720 Speaker 1: in a minor and a math major, and in numbers 1016 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 1: fascinated me and I always I cut my teeth actually 1017 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: on dog racing, which was crazy because to me it 1018 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: was it was always you know, process of elimination or 1019 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,919 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Then it turned into horse racing. Horse 1020 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 1: racing was always my passion. But you know, you end 1021 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,360 Speaker 1: up realizing at a certain age, Um, my father is 1022 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: running this business or that business, and he's really running 1023 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: one business. So you know when I wrote in my 1024 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 1: article this morning is true back in the day. You know, 1025 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm forty five now, but back in the day, I 1026 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: used to read the lines and on a separate line, um, 1027 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 1: you know the Patriots plus this or you know the 1028 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,239 Speaker 1: the the USC plus that was on the other line. 1029 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,359 Speaker 1: You'd call that line and then you'd call my father. Now, 1030 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,839 Speaker 1: my father had like local guys. He wasn't a big guy, 1031 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: ten twenty guys and um, I really didn't pay attention 1032 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: until he through the the the the uh the UH 1033 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,280 Speaker 1: TV out the window one day and I'll never forget 1034 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,719 Speaker 1: to be uh. And this is a beat that I 1035 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: don't know a lot of probably people will go back to. 1036 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,879 Speaker 1: But it was Arizona State against USC, and Arizona State 1037 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,160 Speaker 1: was getting I want to say nine nine and a half. 1038 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 1: I might be wrong on this, and it went into overtime. 1039 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,439 Speaker 1: USC scored and then the first play from Arizona State 1040 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,400 Speaker 1: they threw a pick six and it was a cover 1041 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,879 Speaker 1: over the number in overtime, which probably happened maybe once 1042 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: or twice. And when the TV went outside the front 1043 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,839 Speaker 1: of the house, I started to realize what my father 1044 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,359 Speaker 1: was doing for a living, so, you know, and then 1045 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, when I signed my professional contract, he stopped. 1046 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,560 Speaker 1: You had to. You know a lot of people have 1047 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,040 Speaker 1: already hit me up. Did you ever bet on baseball? 1048 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 1: You bet on? No, I haven't. And the crazy part 1049 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,160 Speaker 1: about it is MLB actually investigated me because I owned 1050 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,040 Speaker 1: a ton of horses, but I had never bet on 1051 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,239 Speaker 1: baseball because It was the one thing that was the 1052 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: first thing you ever saw whenever you went into a 1053 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 1: clubhouse in my idol was Pete Rose. And the thing 1054 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 1: was I mowed. I don't know how many lawns to 1055 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 1: get that Pete Rose rookie. I put it on layaway 1056 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,560 Speaker 1: for seven months, and I was crushed when I found out. 1057 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: And here I am a gambler. And I always saw 1058 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 1: myself listen, and then my dad looked at me straight 1059 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,239 Speaker 1: in the eyes, and listen, there's way and there's a 1060 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 1: lot of other things to gamble on. Just stay away 1061 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: from this sport. So I've always you you always want 1062 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: to dabble in it because I have the advantage. I 1063 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 1: always have the advantage. But I always been able to 1064 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: stay away from it. And I just hope that my advice, 1065 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,960 Speaker 1: like Jeff says, there's little things are here and there 1066 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: that the public just does not get. Um that that 1067 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,160 Speaker 1: Jeff and I can give to them. And I know 1068 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,879 Speaker 1: this football season, Jeff, Jeff got a way harder job 1069 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: than me. The NFL isn't possible. I don't even know 1070 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,160 Speaker 1: how you play that anyway, because I try to play 1071 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,400 Speaker 1: and I get crushed every year. A lot of people 1072 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: that I've talked to really love to play baseball, and 1073 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm really interested um to get involved and really interested 1074 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,879 Speaker 1: to give my opinion because I really there I can help. 1075 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,840 Speaker 1: So that was a great segue because you did a 1076 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:45,400 Speaker 1: story today about MLB season win totals, and explain a 1077 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 1: little bit about what you looked at, because one thing 1078 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: you did was talk about how you can't stand saber 1079 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 1: metrics and that your ability to analyze the game comes 1080 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 1: from having played the game and understanding players, which from 1081 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: a betting perspective, savor metrics is just becoming more and 1082 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,280 Speaker 1: more important. Metrics generally are becoming more and more important 1083 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,239 Speaker 1: and even in the game out for people who want 1084 00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: to bet. So explain your philosophy and what you were 1085 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 1: talking about this morning in the column where you were 1086 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: picking teams like the Twins to be big winners from 1087 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,800 Speaker 1: an over perspective. Well, my, you know my my Twins selection. 1088 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,439 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the division. You know, those tall 1089 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,360 Speaker 1: buildings and big casinos in Vegas for one reason, and 1090 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: three teams in that division are projected to lose ninety games. 1091 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: So I'm getting fifty plus games if I can get 1092 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: a team that can go fifty two or you know, 1093 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 1: wint of those games. I'm you know, I'm I'm on 1094 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: third away home. But when it comes to the saber metrics, 1095 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,720 Speaker 1: some of the stuff I get. I like war. I 1096 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 1: think war is legit thing. It tells me something. Winning players. 1097 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: Um uh if you I'll give you an example. You 1098 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 1: look at the Loyalist Chicago team that found the Sweet 1099 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: sixteen that coaches noted for drafting players that win state championships. 1100 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,920 Speaker 1: There's seven kids on that team that win championships, that 1101 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: once state championships to the recruits winners, they know how 1102 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,120 Speaker 1: to win games. I think war is okay. Now we 1103 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: started getting the Decca and all these other stuff and 1104 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 1: O B A and this that and and w X 1105 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,480 Speaker 1: this and death and lips and give me a braked 1106 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,720 Speaker 1: because here's what I'm gonna tell you, and Jeff will 1107 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,640 Speaker 1: tell you this too. Let me ask you a quick question, 1108 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,280 Speaker 1: or let me put you into a scenario. Say that 1109 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,640 Speaker 1: Zack Brinky goes out there and gets absolutely shredded in 1110 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: the second ending and the Diamondbacks are down seven nothing, 1111 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,480 Speaker 1: and then a team comes back and make you the 1112 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 1: seven sixth game, And now the Arizona uses their whole bullpen. 1113 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,600 Speaker 1: Now the manager's got to go up to the next 1114 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 1: starter and say, hey, buddy, you got to eat some 1115 00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 1: innings for the bulk then regardless what happened, oh day. 1116 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,160 Speaker 1: So now here's a guy that now in the fifth 1117 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,360 Speaker 1: inning is not having one of his best games, and 1118 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,320 Speaker 1: now he has to stay out there for the sixth 1119 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: and seventh inning because he's eating it up for his 1120 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,840 Speaker 1: team because he doesn't want to tax the bullpen because 1121 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,640 Speaker 1: they got a bigger series coming up. So his eggit 1122 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,720 Speaker 1: velocity went down those two innings, and that's gonna scuwe 1123 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 1: his eggit velocity for the rest of the year. There's 1124 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: so many different components. How about a guy that flew 1125 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,640 Speaker 1: from l A all the way to New York and 1126 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 1: then it's got to get on a flight. After that flight, 1127 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 1: it's got to start that game. You think he's gonna 1128 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: be a tiny bit fatigue. Maybe his egg velocity was 1129 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:40,400 Speaker 1: down that way. There's there's things that drive me nuts 1130 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,080 Speaker 1: because the elements come in to play. What about the 1131 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 1: tough matchups to be a different matchup? Could be this 1132 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,400 Speaker 1: that the variables are beyond what they're trying to come 1133 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,400 Speaker 1: up with. Groundball ray, this fall rate, that's ball ray. 1134 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,960 Speaker 1: You gotta be out of your mind. You're you're it's 1135 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 1: it's apples to freaking oranges. Okay, if this guy gave 1136 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,040 Speaker 1: up a zillion ground ball, was great. How about one 1137 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,920 Speaker 1: year he gave up some groundballs that were actually twenty 1138 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 1: more seeing I hit. Then then last year, guess what 1139 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,640 Speaker 1: he sucks and guess what a two eight hitter goes 1140 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,960 Speaker 1: up to three if those go go through. That's been 1141 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 1: the small minimal part that can make or break a 1142 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,480 Speaker 1: savor metric. A savor mestric to me, of any sports, 1143 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,880 Speaker 1: I said, let me let me rephrase that, not a 1144 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,000 Speaker 1: favorite metric, but of all sports, luck is involved. You 1145 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 1: create your own luck. I I do believe that as 1146 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: long as you keep hitting balls hard. But luck has 1147 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: involved a lot in in baseball. When it comes to 1148 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,240 Speaker 1: um pitching. One of my biggest step peeves is when 1149 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,120 Speaker 1: a guy gives up too broken bat hits, and then 1150 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,920 Speaker 1: then then then the then the then the manager comes 1151 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,440 Speaker 1: and takes him out. Oh so if they were caught 1152 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,440 Speaker 1: and they were bullets, you'd leave them in. So the 1153 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: contact rates and all this groundball rates, it's it's subject 1154 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: to everything. What happened, that's minus five degrees out and 1155 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,360 Speaker 1: they're playing a game. I'm sure there's gonna be not 1156 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 1: a lot of contact rate that day, So you can't 1157 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 1: put it all in the per perspective, you can't jump 1158 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,440 Speaker 1: it all in. And then when you start reading these articles, 1159 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,479 Speaker 1: I'm literally in my head spinned by inspector Gadget. Jeff, 1160 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna have an opinion on this 1161 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:38,000 Speaker 1: only because not necessarily for the metrics, but um, because 1162 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,920 Speaker 1: you are very active on Twitter and very thoughtful in 1163 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,000 Speaker 1: going back at people on conventional wisdom of what they 1164 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 1: think should be done, and based on what you think 1165 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: should be done based on what you know about the 1166 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,320 Speaker 1: game and how like, from what a holding penalty is 1167 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,600 Speaker 1: to whether or not so Quan Barkley should be drafted 1168 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,520 Speaker 1: number one overall? Oh out, Well, the Barclay think is ridiculous. 1169 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 1: He should be drafted not number one. I mean we 1170 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 1: kind of know that now. I think some mock drafts 1171 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: even push him down to like five six set, which 1172 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,160 Speaker 1: just suited for running back. Um. I don't know if 1173 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,160 Speaker 1: I pushed back on conventional wisdom, but I think there's 1174 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,320 Speaker 1: a lot of morons on Twitter, um, and that's possible. 1175 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 1: But really, here's the thing, and here's the thing, and this. 1176 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,439 Speaker 1: There are writers that I love who have never played 1177 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,720 Speaker 1: football before, but they don't try to break down plays, 1178 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: right They there, and there's a lot of them that 1179 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,800 Speaker 1: are there. There's They're very good and I follow them 1180 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,240 Speaker 1: and they know that I like their work, but they 1181 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,600 Speaker 1: don't try to like break down plays. And then when 1182 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,280 Speaker 1: people come at me and try to tell me that 1183 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about or I don't 1184 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: know because of or whatever reason, I don't take comming 1185 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 1: in to that because I think I'm good at my job, 1186 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,120 Speaker 1: and especially when becomes offensive line play, you're not going 1187 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,480 Speaker 1: to challenge me on that. And you know what thing 1188 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 1: it does bother me. And I know the guys that 1189 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: Pro Football focuses well at PFF, I know them well, um, 1190 01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,640 Speaker 1: but you know, I give my opinion and then someone says, 1191 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: well pe FF ranked them X Oh my god, guys, Like, 1192 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,000 Speaker 1: here's the deal with PFF. I think they do some 1193 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 1: fantastic work. I use them often when I write because 1194 01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,760 Speaker 1: they produce stats that I can't produce. I can't produce 1195 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,840 Speaker 1: down for the accuracy for quarterbacks, I can't I can't 1196 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,000 Speaker 1: produce that I can't produce, you know, a cornerbacks rate 1197 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,480 Speaker 1: of of you know, being beaten coverage. I can't produce that. UM. 1198 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,120 Speaker 1: But what I think it's important when you look at 1199 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,880 Speaker 1: the at the at the same metrics analytics of football, 1200 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,240 Speaker 1: is you have to have the film to back it up. 1201 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,920 Speaker 1: So if I say, for example, out Alex Smith was 1202 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,360 Speaker 1: the best this year at deep ball passing, which is 1203 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,320 Speaker 1: shocking because it's you don't think it would be that, 1204 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,880 Speaker 1: what kind of season? So if I say that, I 1205 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,600 Speaker 1: better have some film to show that he can do that, 1206 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,200 Speaker 1: um or vice versa, I better have film and then 1207 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,840 Speaker 1: I could look back at the stats. So I think 1208 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,480 Speaker 1: that in football, film will always be number one. It 1209 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,840 Speaker 1: will always be number one. You can look at the 1210 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 1: at the at the anti it x to confirm what 1211 01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,280 Speaker 1: you've seen on film, or maybe sometimes it opens your okay, well, 1212 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: and I think this guy, like especially Alex Smith, you know, 1213 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,440 Speaker 1: people will be like, well, he can't throw deep and 1214 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,120 Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, no, no, you know the stats 1215 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 1: that he can, and abviously the film backed it up 1216 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,880 Speaker 1: as well. So I think it's important to blend those two. 1217 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,160 Speaker 1: I think far too often people rely on the player 1218 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: grades that PFF has and other websites, and when the 1219 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,440 Speaker 1: protein and what there is proteins by their data, don't 1220 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,400 Speaker 1: buy the player grades and buy all the other stuff 1221 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,320 Speaker 1: that I can't even see. I've seen some of it. Actually, 1222 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,439 Speaker 1: it's very it's very very detailed. It's very good work. 1223 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,840 Speaker 1: It's stuff. It's grunt work that that programs just do 1224 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,880 Speaker 1: forever with personnel stuff and match ups that you can't do. 1225 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,800 Speaker 1: It cuts it cuts hours away from your day to 1226 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,960 Speaker 1: just buy it from PFF. That's pre accurate, I think. 1227 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 1: So that type of stuff is fantastic. But just to 1228 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,200 Speaker 1: come at me if I get my opinion on someone 1229 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,800 Speaker 1: and saying well, PFF has the ranked here, that drives 1230 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,080 Speaker 1: me up a wall. Alright. So both of you had 1231 01:04:55,120 --> 01:05:01,479 Speaker 1: pieces out this week that had strong opinions. Um, Paul, 1232 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the Twins and you 1233 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 1: made some good thoughts there. People. I saw people responding 1234 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,560 Speaker 1: on Twitter loving the idea that you were all over 1235 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,160 Speaker 1: the Twins. Um, you also were all over the Red Sox. 1236 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,760 Speaker 1: Give me your reason on the Red Sox. Well, you know, 1237 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 1: the Red Sox for me are just getting overlooked. The 1238 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:23,400 Speaker 1: bump from the Yankees, is it legit. Yes, Um, but 1239 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,800 Speaker 1: let's read into it. Okay, we're gamblers, right. You go 1240 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 1: on any website, who has the top five starting rotation Yankees? 1241 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 1: Who has the top side five line up the Yankees? 1242 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:38,600 Speaker 1: Who's got the top five bullpen the Yankees? And to me, 1243 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,560 Speaker 1: it's almost like it's just so much that I think 1244 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people forget that the Boston won the 1245 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,480 Speaker 1: division were the lame duck manager. Um. God, we still 1246 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,520 Speaker 1: don't know what what went on in that clubhouse. And 1247 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,280 Speaker 1: with my experience with Alex and and what I wrote 1248 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,800 Speaker 1: in the piece is true. I'm not fabricating one thing 1249 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,560 Speaker 1: you need to yes the manager. One thing you're not 1250 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,760 Speaker 1: gonna get. You know, I'm gonna tell you like it is. 1251 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: And I'm a little bit like Jeff. If you're gonna 1252 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna disagree with me, I'll listen to your opinion. 1253 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,920 Speaker 1: If it's educated, then i'm gonna like it. If it's 1254 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,120 Speaker 1: in there's idiots on Twitter. And if you're gonna come 1255 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,400 Speaker 1: at me with a stupid something, I'm gonna bury you. 1256 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:27,840 Speaker 1: But it's you know, my experiences. Alex Cora comes from 1257 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,560 Speaker 1: a family where his brother went to Vanderbilt, very very 1258 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,720 Speaker 1: intelligent from Puerto Rico. He went to the University of Miami. 1259 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,960 Speaker 1: Both of them got degrees. They're very, very intelligent. They 1260 01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: both played very long careers with very limited talent. Maybe 1261 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,480 Speaker 1: Joey was scored lower than Alex, and I think a 1262 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 1: lot of people forget that Alex had the game winning 1263 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,720 Speaker 1: hit in the College World Series before Warren Morris hit 1264 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,600 Speaker 1: a home run for l s U to win the game. 1265 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people remember he was the one that 1266 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,880 Speaker 1: was laying on the ground behind shortstop. Next thing you know, 1267 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,680 Speaker 1: we draft get him in the Los Angeles Dodgers. Now 1268 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,280 Speaker 1: I had been in the organization for a couple of years. 1269 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,400 Speaker 1: Mike Socie had cut me back to be a catcher, 1270 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,440 Speaker 1: went back to a ball um and it was devastating. 1271 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,840 Speaker 1: But I got to play with Alex, and then I 1272 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,720 Speaker 1: came up the ranks a ball double, a triple A 1273 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,640 Speaker 1: and listen, he was not a great hitter, a lifetime 1274 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,560 Speaker 1: to forty hitter. He couldn't run, but if you hit 1275 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,240 Speaker 1: it at him, you were out. But his baseball i 1276 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,560 Speaker 1: Q was insane. He made it up with when you're 1277 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,960 Speaker 1: a catcher, you're able to see the whole field. When 1278 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,320 Speaker 1: the guy would swing. He would have two steps to 1279 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,960 Speaker 1: the left and the ball would be hit to his left. 1280 01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:47,040 Speaker 1: His instincts were phenomenal, and he's always been a guy 1281 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,680 Speaker 1: to me that like when I grew up with them 1282 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,720 Speaker 1: and then we played together with the Dodgers, that he 1283 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,800 Speaker 1: would always be in my ear and I was always 1284 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: in my ear, and we were always on the same page. 1285 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,160 Speaker 1: He thought like a catcher. Whenever when I was in trouble, 1286 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,880 Speaker 1: I would look at him. I would go to the 1287 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,960 Speaker 1: mound and and call him over and say, Alex, what 1288 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 1: do you think we should call here? What are you seeing? 1289 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Because I trusted him not much. And I just think 1290 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:22,200 Speaker 1: that would happen last year in Boston with with their manager, 1291 01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,400 Speaker 1: and we still don't know what happened. I think their 1292 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:26,800 Speaker 1: injuries are gonna be a little bit better, and I 1293 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,840 Speaker 1: they think j. D. Martinez is They're going a little 1294 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,599 Speaker 1: berserk on j. D. Martiniz because he played in Arizona 1295 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of people are gonna realize that Arizona 1296 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,679 Speaker 1: is the best hitting ballpark maybe in the big leagues 1297 01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,040 Speaker 1: besides Philly when Philly is not cold. I just think 1298 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,439 Speaker 1: him bringing over a bullpen coach was a big deal 1299 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,680 Speaker 1: for me. I don't think I've ever in my lifetime 1300 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,360 Speaker 1: seen a bullpen coach take another bullpen coach job after 1301 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,080 Speaker 1: winning the World Series. Um And it wasn't like he resigned. 1302 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't like the Astros pushed him out. He came 1303 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,160 Speaker 1: over with Alex, so I think immediately the bull then 1304 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,280 Speaker 1: that's Craig the Oranson is going to get a lot better. 1305 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:08,040 Speaker 1: And Ron Rennicky when I played with Alex with the 1306 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,439 Speaker 1: San Antonio missions was our manager. And of all the 1307 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,519 Speaker 1: people that I played with nine to ten years in 1308 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,720 Speaker 1: the minor league, he was my best manager. And he 1309 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: won ninety one games before Prince Fielder left and the 1310 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,040 Speaker 1: whole Ryan bron the buckle. So he sort of got 1311 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,559 Speaker 1: pushed out of Milwaukee. If you go look at his record, 1312 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,639 Speaker 1: it was not bad. After they lost Braun, he hung 1313 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 1: in there. I mean, excuse me Fielder. Then all the 1314 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,040 Speaker 1: Broun controversy happened, and then Craig Counsel took over and 1315 01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,080 Speaker 1: and that's that. But Ron Rennicky was the bench coach 1316 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:44,519 Speaker 1: with Joe Madden and Mike Sosha, so he surrounded himself 1317 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,160 Speaker 1: with guys he's played with. Tom Goodwin's his first base coach. 1318 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,800 Speaker 1: I just think that clubhouse is gonna have so much 1319 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,000 Speaker 1: fun and and and they're gonna enjoy their job. And 1320 01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,160 Speaker 1: Alex is a National League guy. Ron Rennicky's a National 1321 01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,600 Speaker 1: League guy. I think they'll run a little more to 1322 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,200 Speaker 1: scratch out some more runs because they need to. That's 1323 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,240 Speaker 1: one thing they're concerned. But I do think David Price 1324 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:15,080 Speaker 1: holds the key. But for nine wins in that division. 1325 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,560 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are on on on 1326 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,800 Speaker 1: Toronto and I was very close. They were like my 1327 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,920 Speaker 1: four A because I think they're good. But the the 1328 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,160 Speaker 1: Anlis is going to be very very good this year. 1329 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 1: But I just think you're getting very good value what 1330 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,519 Speaker 1: Boston and my angle is the coaching staff is gonna 1331 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,200 Speaker 1: help out a ton and make those kids play looser. 1332 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,280 Speaker 1: That is some freaking insight, man, Jeff, Like you got 1333 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,960 Speaker 1: your NFL totals up, you did uh three teams you 1334 01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,200 Speaker 1: were eying the unders four I'm gonna give you. I'm 1335 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,200 Speaker 1: gonna give you the last word. And it's gonna have 1336 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,639 Speaker 1: to be better than what Laduca just did. And what's 1337 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,560 Speaker 1: exciting is what it's setting is you have like surprising 1338 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,720 Speaker 1: teams on that list, like some teams that most people 1339 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:05,479 Speaker 1: would never bet against. Well, yeah, but unders for sure. Um, okay, well, look, 1340 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,800 Speaker 1: I think it comes down and I'll start with the 1341 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,840 Speaker 1: team that no one that no one would bet against, 1342 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 1: and that's the Patriots. Well, last year I bet over fourteen. 1343 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,880 Speaker 1: It was over. It was over fourteen wins. I think 1344 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,559 Speaker 1: I bet no. Thirteen a half wins. I bet over. 1345 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,320 Speaker 1: I thought they'd win a lot of games last year, 1346 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,280 Speaker 1: and then you realized, you know what, They're just not 1347 01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,720 Speaker 1: that talented anymore. And a lot of what they do 1348 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,040 Speaker 1: revolves around Tom Brady just being better. If you watched 1349 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,559 Speaker 1: the first four or five weeks, zero defense or defense 1350 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,320 Speaker 1: improved a little bit. Then the Super Bowl again, when 1351 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,320 Speaker 1: you're two weeks to prepare for them, that the defense 1352 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,760 Speaker 1: didn't show up. They have no pass for us. They 1353 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,400 Speaker 1: get a young, a young defensive linement back from injury. 1354 01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,880 Speaker 1: They signed Adrian Claiborne, a linebacker. They get high tower back, 1355 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,240 Speaker 1: but the other guys can't run. They have no one 1356 01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,840 Speaker 1: that can. They can guard running backs. And he lost 1357 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler to find Gilmore. Maybe he has best play 1358 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,280 Speaker 1: of the entire season against Jackson on the playoffs. He 1359 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:56,920 Speaker 1: was kind of subpart last year of paying them all 1360 01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,240 Speaker 1: that money. You lost your left tackle. And Brady's played 1361 01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 1: with two left tackles his entire career, Matt Light and 1362 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,559 Speaker 1: Nate Soldier. You're probably gonna draft a tackle. There's only 1363 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,439 Speaker 1: there's really only one tackle right now in college. They 1364 01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,400 Speaker 1: can come in and be a Day one starter, and 1365 01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,599 Speaker 1: that's Mike Mcgwinchieaf of Motor Dame. He might be there 1366 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,519 Speaker 1: at thirty one. I've seen some mock drafts put him there. Um, 1367 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: you now lost Dion Lewis, who went to Tennessee with 1368 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,400 Speaker 1: Butler as well, and he's um, he's kind of they're 1369 01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,559 Speaker 1: due all back, right, he can run out of the backsfield. 1370 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,719 Speaker 1: He's to give Patch Caster all their guys pass catchers. 1371 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:33,320 Speaker 1: They're running backs. Um so to me and Tom Brady 1372 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,960 Speaker 1: forty one And if you watch a little bit of 1373 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,320 Speaker 1: that his documentary, he could tell that the end is near. 1374 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,280 Speaker 1: He can even tell when he's playing. You know, he 1375 01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 1: doesn't move as well anymore. But the end of the 1376 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,040 Speaker 1: year he I think he was wearing two knee braces. 1377 01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,120 Speaker 1: He tore his thumb up in a in an injury 1378 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:51,479 Speaker 1: um before before the uh the Jacksonville game, look he 1379 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,880 Speaker 1: played great set five year Suita Bowl. I think he 1380 01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,200 Speaker 1: can still swing the rock. But at some point, man, 1381 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,280 Speaker 1: all these defections are going to cause a problem. And 1382 01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,360 Speaker 1: partly I can I can basically say take the under 1383 01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:05,160 Speaker 1: two because their their number is gonna be like twelve again. Um, 1384 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,280 Speaker 1: and they go eleven and five, that's still gonna win 1385 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,920 Speaker 1: the Probably the East. Miami is a dumpster fire. I 1386 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,080 Speaker 1: wrote them as one of the teams that could positively 1387 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,880 Speaker 1: the worst in the NFL this year. They have no 1388 01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,479 Speaker 1: vision right now. They have a ton of wide receivers 1389 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,040 Speaker 1: and no one to throw the ball to them, and 1390 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,519 Speaker 1: and no do It's a it's a disaster down there. 1391 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,320 Speaker 1: You know. Buffalo and New York are kind of in 1392 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,639 Speaker 1: quarterback limbo. So the Patriots can win eleven games next 1393 01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,479 Speaker 1: year and still win the East. Um. I said that. 1394 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,880 Speaker 1: I just put under because of how high I think 1395 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,880 Speaker 1: they're They're over under will be eventually when it gets out. Um, 1396 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't see them really going lower than 1397 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,920 Speaker 1: ten games, maybe ten and six with a minimum for them. 1398 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,519 Speaker 1: That's why I put them on there. But I just 1399 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,680 Speaker 1: I just think it's it's it's getting there. I think 1400 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,679 Speaker 1: there's some friction in the facility. I think the article 1401 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,880 Speaker 1: that was written about them is mostly going to be true. Um, 1402 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,760 Speaker 1: and they are going to struggle next year. I mean, 1403 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,960 Speaker 1: and struggle is relative, right, I mean eleven and five 1404 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,559 Speaker 1: for them is typically a struggle. Right. They don't. They'll 1405 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,519 Speaker 1: finish eleven five very often. Other team in there that's 1406 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,320 Speaker 1: very popular is the Seahawks. And look, Russell Wilson can't 1407 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,360 Speaker 1: keep doing this himself. He accounted for thirty seven of 1408 01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,000 Speaker 1: the thirty eight touchdowns for the Seahawks last year. He 1409 01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,439 Speaker 1: counted for over eight of their total offense, you know, 1410 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,840 Speaker 1: rushing and passing. He run around for his life back there. 1411 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,479 Speaker 1: He had countless fourth quarters. We had to come back 1412 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,080 Speaker 1: and make big plays to help this team win. The 1413 01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,519 Speaker 1: amount of weapons that have been lost in Seattle is tremendous. 1414 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:29,519 Speaker 1: You all, Sherman Richardson, Michael Bennett, Um, Jimmy Graham, Paul, 1415 01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,880 Speaker 1: there's so many guys. They didn't bring anyone in. They've 1416 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,760 Speaker 1: done nothing. They brought an offensive lineman, d J. Fluger Um, 1417 01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,559 Speaker 1: and that's it. They have holes all over their offensive line. Still. 1418 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,000 Speaker 1: They have brand new coaches all over the roster um 1419 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,880 Speaker 1: and look at the forty Niners have gone better, the 1420 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Rams have gone better. At the Arizona will still be 1421 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,920 Speaker 1: a little down, but they're they're in the market for 1422 01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,240 Speaker 1: a young quarterback, I believe. And I think it's over 1423 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,080 Speaker 1: in Seattle. Dynasties are very short lived in the NFL. 1424 01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,400 Speaker 1: If you take out the Patriots and maybe the Steelers, 1425 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 1: and Seattle's ran their course and they're going to have 1426 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,320 Speaker 1: the legion of boom back there they are. They're gonna 1427 01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,400 Speaker 1: have Russell Wilson again running for his life. Um, and 1428 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,800 Speaker 1: I just don't see how they win all games next 1429 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:15,000 Speaker 1: year over in Seattle. That's the headline right there. I 1430 01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,960 Speaker 1: think you did, okay. I I think I like to pick. 1431 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,320 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. You you know just as much Chad, 1432 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,639 Speaker 1: who don't you want to punch that who wins? Whenever 1433 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,439 Speaker 1: you're on the site or whatever you're on, You're like, 1434 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,599 Speaker 1: I don't want to punch that one. You don't want 1435 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,519 Speaker 1: to punch Cleveland over? He wrote that Cleveland's gonna go over. 1436 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,679 Speaker 1: I love it because Josh board for a second. Games 1437 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to press New England under. Let's be honest. 1438 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,360 Speaker 1: So those are the type of games that you'd like 1439 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,280 Speaker 1: to get the opinion on or the type of teams 1440 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,680 Speaker 1: because no one wants to punch them, and those are 1441 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,760 Speaker 1: the teams that are win. You know that you sat 1442 01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,800 Speaker 1: there before and go, I can't punch it, but I 1443 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,000 Speaker 1: want to, you know what I mean? Well, I think 1444 01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,559 Speaker 1: I just think there's there's always there's is a team 1445 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,640 Speaker 1: the under cheese, like like the Giants did last year, 1446 01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,160 Speaker 1: that to me is gonna be the Seahawks. It's always 1447 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:06,799 Speaker 1: a team that comes out. I know we're like the Bears, 1448 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,840 Speaker 1: like the Rams did last year. And yet betting over 1449 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,599 Speaker 1: for Cleveland seems ridiculous. I bet him over last year 1450 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,679 Speaker 1: that didn't do me any good. But talking to their players, 1451 01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they have a quarterback at all competent, they're 1452 01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,600 Speaker 1: very talented. I think people underestimate and they had been 1453 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,120 Speaker 1: a defense last a run defense that was really really 1454 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,479 Speaker 1: talented and was at one point the year historically good 1455 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,680 Speaker 1: and they're gonna get better and I like the way 1456 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,760 Speaker 1: they're doing with their GM. And look, it's not a 1457 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,960 Speaker 1: popular pick, but I'm okay with with betting against the public. 1458 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,040 Speaker 1: I've already jumped on And for you, I I bought 1459 01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,280 Speaker 1: your I read your art, going I already jumped on 1460 01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:43,000 Speaker 1: I jumped on it, and I'm with you. Oh my god. 1461 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,960 Speaker 1: See what we're doing here at the Action Network. We're 1462 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,160 Speaker 1: bringing people together. This is what we do. Gotta you 1463 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,240 Speaker 1: gotta take it. You gotta take it, listen, sold I 1464 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,800 Speaker 1: mean I I like it. I think Josh Gordon is 1465 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,720 Speaker 1: one of the top five players in the league. He 1466 01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,599 Speaker 1: hit top fide receivers in the league. He's a game changer. 1467 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,800 Speaker 1: He can want when you won too three games. I 1468 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,240 Speaker 1: saw him with Chris, with with Kaiser, almost won a 1469 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,639 Speaker 1: couple of games with Shaan Kaiser, and they're gonna get 1470 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,720 Speaker 1: something better than that. He's right, They're gonna they're You're 1471 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,720 Speaker 1: You're better. I mean, I love it. I love it 1472 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,479 Speaker 1: anti team that no one's gonna want to punch and 1473 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,040 Speaker 1: and I think it's a great play. All right, boys, 1474 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,479 Speaker 1: I think you both did excellent work for your first 1475 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,040 Speaker 1: couple of days as members of the Action Network, and 1476 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,160 Speaker 1: we will be bringing back pro Athlete to Gamble. I 1477 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,320 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a spinoff, just your own podcast. 1478 01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:35,320 Speaker 1: So thanks for doing this, Fellows. I appreciate it. Great trouble. 1479 01:17:35,439 --> 01:18:00,160 Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for having me too. Betw