1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. As 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: many as two thousand common carp were found dead earlier 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: this month than a southern Minnesota lake. The culprit Herpes 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: coi herpes virus, or KHV, is a type of herpes 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: that infects carp species, but Minnesota anglers don't have to 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: stop kissing their catches or pretend they didn't or don't 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: or would never. Ever, KHV hasn't been shown to infect 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: humans or other types of fish. Minnesota d n R 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: biologists say the outbreak was likely caused by someone who 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: released a pet, goldfish or coi into the lake or 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: a connecting waterway. Coi and common carp can both get 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: in affected with KHV, and goldfish can be asymptomatic carriers. 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: Signs of kh V include white or gray lesions on 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: the gills, hemorrhage on the skin, and sunken eyes. Because 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: I know you're wondering, the Minnesota d n R does 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: not mention anything about red bumps or itchy blisters on 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: those big, beautiful carp lips. The virus was first confirmed 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: in Minnesota in two thousand nine in a backyard Koi pond. 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: Since then, there have been outbreaks killing thousands of fish 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: in Lake Ellison, Albert Lee Lake, and other southern Minnesota lakes. 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: That's right, one less thing that makes us human special. 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: We can't even keep herpes to ourselves. No word yet 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: on whether Minnesota DNR plans to require carp to wear masks, 27 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: get vaccinated, or take ninth grade sex At this week, 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: we've got wildlife, crime, the fishing desk, and wildfire. But 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: first I'm gonna tell you about my week. And as 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned, I made a trip down to Little Rock, 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: Arkansas for the Steel Timber Sports National Championships. If you're unfamiliar, 32 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: and no surprise if you aren't, this sport literally grew 33 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: out of skill competitions held in logging camps way back 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: in the day, is when the bulk of the work 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: was done without the aid of machinery, just acts and saw. 36 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: A couple of things really impressed me first, and this 37 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: is not meant to be any sort of slight. These 38 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: athletes are incredibly dedicated to a sport that isn't all 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: that well known or watched or publicized. But despite the 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:33,559 Speaker 1: low audience numbers, these athletes are well athletes and dedicated. 41 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: You know. Of course, the stuff that we think of 42 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: is like standard athletic dedication staying in shape. But then 43 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: you throw in the fact that each one of these 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: people needs a pile of wood to cut in order 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: to practice the individual disciplines, and you get into some 46 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: different realms of commitment. Like you know, if you're a runner, 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: you might have a box of tennis you show up 48 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: at the house. Well, if you're into logging sports, you 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: might get a logging truck that shows up to the 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: house us with a load of eighteen inch diameter logs 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: just to train for one season. There's lots of intensity, 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: drive focus out of these folks, but also a lot 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: of teamwork leading up to the individual events. Yeah, these 54 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: people are competing against each other, but I heard from 55 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: more than one athlete that they help each other out 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: because they want their competition to be at their best 57 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: when they beat them, which I really appreciated. Great way 58 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: of thinking. Really great crew. Would love to catch another 59 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: event soon. There's all sorts of logging competitions that go 60 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: around at state fairs and stuff like that. Starting tomorrow, 61 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: the Lumberjack World Championships are actually going on. That'd be July. 62 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: So this podcast isn't going to do any good, but 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: you can always go to the Steel Timber Sports social 64 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: media pages and see some of this stuff highlighted. It's 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: also out there on the YouTube. Super cool, really fun 66 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: in person check come out if they're anywhere near you. 67 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: Next up, some hot off the press's legislative news. The 68 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: North American Grasslands Conservation Act was just introduced today. You've 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: heard me talk about this one a bunch, but now 70 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: it's real. Introduced this morning by Senator Ron Wyden and 71 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 1: co sponsors Senators Michelle F. Bennett and Amy Klobuchar. If past, 72 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: the Grasslands Act will provide funding and education for tribes, 73 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: private landowners, and states to keep grasslands working while being preserved. 74 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: A big part of this bill is based around the 75 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: fact that grasslands, with their incredibly deep roots systems, are 76 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: very effective carbon sinks. While the tops of native prairie 77 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: grasses can be grazed and burned, the roots systems that 78 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: store carbon remain. Those same deep roots helped break up 79 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: the prairie soils and create a much more drought tolerant landscape. 80 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: On the hunting side of things, tall grass not only 81 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: makes fat cattle, it makes her big antelope, elk, mule, deer, 82 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: white tails, prairie chicken, say your grouse, songbirds, pollinators, and 83 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: the list goes on and on from there. Total grassland 84 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: birds have declined by more than since nineteen The lesser 85 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: prairie chicken, which is a game bird that we hunters 86 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: are supposed to give a hoot about, and that hoot 87 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: is a you know, grouse reference, is heading for extinction 88 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: do primarily to habitat loss, and it's happening on our watch. 89 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm excited about the introduction of this bill. I am 90 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: calling my representatives and asking them to co sponsor this one. 91 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: More incentive for keeping the family farm or ranch intact. 92 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: More tools in the toolbox for habitat Go to act 93 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: for Grasslands dot org for more information. Once you get it, 94 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: please contact your representative and ask them to co sponsor 95 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: the North American Grasslands Conservation Act. Moving on to the 96 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: crime desk, a poacher in Ohio was sentenced this month 97 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: to ten years in prison after he shot and seriously 98 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: wounded an Ohio Department of Natural Resources officer investigating a 99 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: dear poaching complaint. Forty five year old Brian Lemming pled 100 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: guilty in August to a federal weapons charge. He was 101 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: already serving time for felonious assault, evidence tambering, and misdemeanor 102 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: hunting charges. Prosecutors said in court documents that Lemming fired 103 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: a shot intended to flush a buck out of a 104 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: wooded area, but the bullet struck and wounded Ohio Department 105 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: of Natural Resources officer Kevin Bear spelled b e Hr. 106 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, The story gets worse from there. 107 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: When Lemming realized he'd struck the officer, he refused to 108 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: render aid and fled the scene. Later he denied pulling 109 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: the trigger. Bear spent eighty days in the hospital, thirty 110 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: of which were in the intensive care unit. Lemming did 111 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: not have a valid hunting license, was trespassing on the property, 112 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to own a firearm due to a previous 113 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: domestic violence charge, and did not have a bear tag. Again, 114 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: the officer's name is Bear. Anyway, there can be a 115 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: big difference between a poacher and a hunter, something I 116 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: always tried to keep in mind when I run into 117 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: a conservation officer. These folks never know who they're walking 118 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: up to or what situation they're stepping into. It's not 119 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: just fishing and hunting licenses they deal with. A Montana 120 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: man has lost his hunting privileges for sixteen years and 121 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: been forced to pay fines exceeding six thousand dollars for 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: poaching mule deer and leaving the carcasses to rock. Nineteen 123 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: year old Brandon Read pled guilty in Yellowstone County to 124 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: a raft of charges, or maybe I should say an 125 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: ocean liner of charges. These included four counts of unlawful 126 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: possession of deer, two counts of wasting game, and three 127 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: counts of hunting during a closed season. Prosecutors say that 128 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: on October two, Read shot two mule deer at night 129 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: using a spotlight and moved the carcasses to a BLM 130 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: recreation area. He cut off the horns and removed the backstraps. Then, 131 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: after he'd trashed the campsite, left the rest of the 132 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: animal to rock. He did the same thing to a 133 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: third deer he shot on private property, and game Warden's 134 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: later found a fourth deer they believe Read killed in 135 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: case you're wondering, and I know you are, Reid did 136 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: not have a hunting license and he shot the deer 137 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: well before mule deer season had begun. Moving up to 138 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: beautiful British Columbia, officers with the Row Canadian Mounted Police, 139 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: which if you've ever listened to Coulter Wall that song 140 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: where he wakes up in a snow bank next to 141 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: a car marked r C M and P, that's what 142 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: he's talking about. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Anyway, the 143 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: r C M and P arrested several people after finding 144 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: a month old fawn in the backseat of their car. 145 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: The young mule deer buck was severely dehydrated, but conservation 146 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: officers believe he will be just fine. I know he'll 147 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: be surprised to hear this too, but the Mounties found 148 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: drugs in the car along with the fawn, kind of 149 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: the Canadian version of a cocaine hippo the mule deer buck. 150 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: Sticking with international wildlife crime, the ringleader of a Welsh 151 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: ammon and trout poaching operation was recently fined about seventy 152 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars for illegally harvesting nearly one thousand sea 153 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: trout and over three hundred salmon. Emlyn. Rees operated the 154 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: poaching ring for seven years between two thousand thirteen and 155 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty. Wildlife officials say his actions resulted in 156 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: the loss of an estimated six hundred and eighty six 157 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: thousand salmon eggs and more than two million sea trout eggs. 158 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: Law enforcement knew about the extent of his crimes because 159 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: he kept a detailed record of every fish cop including 160 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: its weight. They described his crimes as staggering and said 161 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: they represent quote a significant and unsustainable loss of breeding potential. 162 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: Rees avoided jail time despite being convicted of illegal fishing 163 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: three times in his past, and only had to pay 164 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: a nominal one dollar fine. He'll have to repay his 165 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: total remainder of seventy four thousand nine dollars when he 166 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: comes into money or assets in the future. But given 167 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: this guy's history, I'd say that's going to be a 168 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: real uh slow day of fishing. But considering they popped 169 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: this guy in part due to his note taking skills, 170 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 1: maybe they could get him on board as a fishery technician. 171 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: Jumping over to Oregon, game wardens with the Oregon Department 172 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: of Fish and Wildlife charged a couple named Chris and 173 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Stephanie Lardy with shooting into a fleeing elk herd last year. 174 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: They fired thirty forty shots from their vehicle and killed 175 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: five elk illegally, including two calves. They left all five 176 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: animals to rock. They were convicted in order to pay 177 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: a fine and had their hunting licenses suspended for three years. 178 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: Chris Lardy will also spend six days in jail and 179 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: was forced to write an apology letter and publish it 180 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: in a local newspaper. I haven't seen that letter myself, 181 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: but if anyone has a copy, I'd love to read it. 182 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: Last one for you. In Kansas, nine people have been 183 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: charged with wildlife related violations after a three year investigation 184 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: by the camp This Department of Wildlife and Parks. The 185 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: individuals are being charged with one forty separate violations in 186 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: connection with poaching deer, one antelope, and eight turkeys, among 187 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: other animals. Many of the animals were shot with rifles 188 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: during archery season. According to a local media report, of 189 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: the thirteen bucks scored, game Warden said the average antler 190 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: size was one D seventy. The worst violator, a man 191 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: named Tayton Water was hit with fifty eight charges, twenty 192 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: two of which he pled guilty too. He was ordered 193 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: to pay forty five thousand dollars in fines and won't 194 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: be allowed to hunt for ten years. Moving on to 195 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: the cat desk, two listeners wrote in recently to tell 196 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: me about cities in Canada and Australia that are taking 197 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: real steps to reduce the impact of free roaming cats, 198 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: which are bad if you haven't been listening. Thanks to 199 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: Chris Iliffe and Mike Albright for reaching out. Bass Coast Shire, 200 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: which is a real place but sounds like a cross 201 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: between Lord of the Rings and Florida tourist attraction, is 202 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: actually a government area in Victoria, Australia. Anyway, bass Coast 203 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: Shire has announced a seven ban on outdoor cats starting 204 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: next July. Anyone caught allowing their cat to roam outside 205 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: will be find one hundred and eighty dollars. The town 206 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: council justified the move by pointing out that cats are 207 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: a menace to the local wildlife, including two penguins. An 208 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: ecologist also told local media that cats who are allowed 209 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: to wander unconstrained twenty four hours a day, killing average 210 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: of one and fifteen native animals every year in Australia. 211 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: That wasn't enough to satisfy the Bass Coast Shire cat ladies. 212 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: Over ten thousand people left comments on the local media 213 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: stories Facebook post. One said this policy proves that Australia 214 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: is the quote most insane country in the world. Another 215 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: said the country is quote out of control. One suggested 216 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: that instead of just keep cats indoors, people should spay 217 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: or neuter their pets. Um for that idea, but I 218 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: think this person might be confused. A cat minus its 219 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: reproductive capability can still kill birds, lizards and small mammals. 220 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: As the old outfitter would say, they aren't, you know, 221 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: mating the critters to death. Another person named Rosalind wrote 222 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: quote cats aren't the problem. Thieves, drunks, et cetera are. 223 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: They cause more carnage and damage than a cat. I 224 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: don't know what kind of drunks Rosalind hangs out with, 225 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: but I can't say I've seen many who have tried 226 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: to take a chunk out of a penguin. Toronto was 227 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: also considering a proposal that would force cat owners to 228 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: keep their pets on a leash while outside. Natalie carbon 229 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: in the executive director of the Toronto Wildlife Center told 230 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: the committee during recent hearing that the new policy would 231 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: help cats as much as wildlife. Free range cats are 232 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: at risk of being hit by cars, eaten by coyotes, 233 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: and contracting diseases. Their life expectancy is one third bat 234 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: of indoor cats. She also pointed out that a Canadian 235 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: study from two thousand thirteen found that cats are the 236 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: number one cause of death for songbirds, and it's not 237 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: even close. Cat cause mortality was greater than all other 238 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: causes combined, including glass buildings and habitat loss. Unfortunately, the 239 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: proposal then pass The mayor said he wouldn't support it 240 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: because it's a low priority and unenforceable. The Toronto Humane 241 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: Society also told the Toronto son that it does not 242 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: support an outdoor cat ban. They did not explain how 243 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: leaving a cat outside is humane, or why birds, small mammals, reptiles, threatened, endangered, 244 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: or otherwise do not make their list of animals they 245 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: care about. Perhaps in response to that public pressure, the 246 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: city councilor who proposed the measure reversed her motion last week. 247 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: She said the city should instead focus on licensing and 248 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: micro chipping cats. The feral cat problem is complicated. With 249 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: any invasive species. People can disagree and good faith about 250 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: how to remove them from the landscape, but the problem 251 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: these policies are addressing is much more black and white. 252 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,359 Speaker 1: If you own a cat, don't let it wander around outside. 253 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: There's no reason for it. Your cat will live longer, 254 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: be happier, and cause less damage indoors. That sounds like 255 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: a no brainer to me, perhaps even the humane thing 256 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: to do. Moving on to a few quick updates from 257 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: the legislative desk, the U. S. House of Representatives voted 258 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: this month to pass a wilderness protection bill as part 259 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: of the annual National Defense Authorization Act. The bill, sponsored 260 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: by Colorado Representative Diana to Get, would permanently preserve more 261 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: than one point six million acres of public land across Colorado, California, 262 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: Washington in New Mexico. It would also add more than 263 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: one thousand miles of river to the National Wild and 264 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: Scenic River System. If the Senat approves it, the measure 265 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: would be the largest land protection package Congress has ever 266 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: approved as part of its annual defense bill. The protections 267 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: could cover public land used by the military to conduct 268 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: testing as well as areas used by hunters and anglers. 269 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: The House has passed the measure five times in the 270 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: last two years, and each time the Senate has rejected it. 271 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: To learn more about the bill, google di get That's 272 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: d E G E T T E Wilderness Bill. The 273 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Game Commission voted recently to move forward with a 274 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: proposal from the Bureau of Wildlife Management to reintroduce American 275 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: martins to the state. Also known as pine martins, American 276 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: martins were extirpated from Pennsylvania in the early twentieth century 277 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: thanks to the fur trade and deforestation. They're part of 278 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: the weasel family, and they prey on amphibians, reptiles, insects, birds, 279 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: and small mammals. Some hunters worry that this reintroduction could 280 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: harm already struggling turkey populations, but that fear appears to 281 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: be unfounded. Tom Keller, furbearer biologist for Pennsylvania's Wildlife Management Bureau, 282 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: told local media that he can't find a single turkey 283 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: in any of the diet analysis literature for the martin. 284 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: What's more, he said research from states that already have 285 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: martins revealed there was little impact to grouse and turkey populations. 286 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: It's also worth noting that when the State Game Commission 287 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: surveyed hunters on this topic, a half percent of hunters 288 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: said they'd support them. Here in Montana, elk hunters are 289 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: understandably up in arms after an advisory committee recommended forcing 290 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: hunters to choose between rifle and archery seasons. The committee 291 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: made the recommendation to reduce crowding and pressure on public 292 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: land elk, but the proposal is receiving significant pushback. Under 293 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: current REGs, hunters can purchase a general elk license along 294 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: with an archery stamp. This allows them to participate in 295 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: both the six week archery season as well as the 296 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: five week general season. Some hunters choose one or the other, 297 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: but many hunters participate in both, especially if they strike 298 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: out during the archery season. It's also unlikely that making 299 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: hunters choose between archery and rifle season would alleviate pressure 300 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: during the general season. If given a choice, many hunters 301 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: would likely choose to go after elk with a rifle 302 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: or devote the entirety of their hunting days to a 303 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: single stretch during the archery season instead of spreading out 304 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: their time over the combined eleven plus weeks. Eleven of 305 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: the twelve Advisory committee members voted for the proposal, but 306 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: the committee can't change policy. Public hearings will be held, 307 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: and it's possible the proposal is never even officially considered. 308 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for when those public hearings are scheduled. 309 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: Be a participant. Look at the Montana Fish, Wildlife and 310 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: Parks website and make sure you are signed up for 311 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: their newsletter. Moving on to the fishing desk, phishing participation 312 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: has continued to rise even after a record breaking a 313 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: year in According to a new report from the Recreational 314 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: Boating and Fishing Foundation, if you spend any time on 315 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: the water in two thousand twenty you probably noticed more 316 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: boats and people than ever before. That's because fifty four 317 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: point seven million people participated in recreational fishing that year, 318 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: the most of any year on record. But at the time, 319 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't clear whether those anglers would stay on the 320 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: water long term or we're just board from being forced 321 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: to work from home. According to this most recent report, 322 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: fishing participation was down slightly in two thousand twenty one, 323 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: but maintained the upward trajectory we've seen since two thousand fifteen. 324 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: Fifty two point four million Americans fished in two thousand 325 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: twenty one, which is a four and a half percent 326 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: increase since two thousand nineteen. That increase has been driven 327 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: in part by anglers who don't fit the traditional mold 328 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 1: i e. Old white man. Slightly more young people, women, 329 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: and Hispanic people fished in two thousand twenty one than 330 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, and the increase was even greater 331 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: among Black Americans. Four point one million Black Americans participated 332 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: in fishing and boating in two thousand twenty one, a 333 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: ten point eight percent increase from three point seven million 334 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty. Particip Patient among women has also increased. 335 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: Of all the anglers on the water, a full thirty 336 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: seven we're women. That's the highest level on record. According 337 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: to the report, summer is in full swing, which means 338 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: it's a great time to get on the water. If 339 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: you've been meaning to dust off the old fishing pole 340 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: and land yourself a few lunkers. What the heck are 341 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: you waiting for? Your state Fishing Game Agency has resources 342 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: to get you started, and you can also check out 343 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: the tools over at take me fishing dot org. There 344 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: you can find fishing spots, buy a license, and get 345 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: tips on gear and strategies. If you are new to angling, 346 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: just remember that most folks are out there for fish, 347 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: but also solitude. Be conscientious of people's space. The more 348 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: remote the area you go, the more distance you should 349 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: give someone. And yes, I'm even talking to you, Walleye 350 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: and crappy anglers. Okay, I promise you. There's fish all 351 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: over the fricking lake. It's not just off the back 352 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: of the other person that looks like they're all are 353 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: crappy angling. Okay, got it good? Moving on to the 354 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: land access desk. A National Guard base in northern Michigan 355 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: called Camp Grayling is asking to lease more than one 356 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two thousand acres of additional public land 357 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: and more than double the size of its footprint. The 358 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: base is already the largest National Guard training facility in 359 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: the United States. It covers one thousand acres of land 360 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: and three thirty seven square kilometers of restricted airspace, but 361 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: they say they need the additional property to conduct further 362 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: training and electronics, cyber and space warfare. These types of 363 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: exercises apparently require lots of space to keep from interfering 364 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: with signals from other groups training nearby. The local hunters 365 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: and anglers, not to mention, property owners and neighborhoods are 366 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: understandably concerned. The new portions of the base would incorporate 367 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: rivers and state lands used by residents to hunt, camp, 368 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: and fish. The Michigan Department of Natural Resources would still 369 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: manage the land, and the National Guard has said it 370 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: won't close off public access. Officials have also said that 371 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: no training exercise will come within fift feet of a 372 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: river and waterway, but the military would have the authority 373 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: to close off any portion of the woods at any 374 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: time and without notice. Jake Visher, a local hunter and angler, 375 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: told me this is what happens in portions of the 376 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: current base open to hunting and fishing at random times 377 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: unknown to the public. The lands will be shut off 378 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: for military training operations, which can ruin trips for people 379 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: coming into this area of the state. If approved, the 380 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: military would receive a free twenty year leads to use 381 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: the land, subject to annual review. They would help pay 382 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: for tree trimming and invasive species management. If you live 383 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: in northern Michigan, you should pay attention to this one. 384 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: Whether you oppose it or support it, you should take 385 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: the time to get informed and share your thoughts. Michigan 386 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: Department of Natural Resources is accepting comments through an online map, 387 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: which I'll link to in this episode description. I'd also 388 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: in courage you to get in touch with Michigan Department 389 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: of Natural Resources Director Dan Aikinger. He's the one who 390 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: will ultimately approve the proposal, so he should know how 391 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 1: local hunters and anglers feel. Staying in Michigan, a New 392 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: York hedge fund that owns more than one hundred thousand 393 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: acres of publicly accessible land is looking to sell thirty 394 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: two of those acres for forty three million dollars. The 395 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: properties are located in the northern reaches of Upper Michigan's 396 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: keywan Op Peninsula. This area is currently accessible to hunters, anglers, hikers, campers, 397 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: and mountain bikers, but new owners could restrict that access 398 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: without notice. But there's good news. Local residents for the 399 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: Keiwana Outdoor Recreation Coalition to raise money and get the 400 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: word out. Then, the State Department of Natural Resources applied 401 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: for a five million dollar grant from the Michigan Natural 402 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: Resources Trust Fund. That money will be used to purchase 403 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: as many acres as possible. The Nature Conservancy will be 404 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: doing the same. There's more to this story, which in 405 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: reading a great article on m live dot com, but 406 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to highlight it because it's a great example 407 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: of what coalitions of people who care about wild places 408 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: and wild animals are capable of. Forty three million dollars 409 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: is a big chunk of change, but it looks like 410 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: for now those thirty two thousand acres will be protected 411 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: for future generations to enjoy. Moving on to the put 412 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: out your Campfire desk. A fishing guide in his employer 413 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: are being sued by the federal government for one million 414 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: dollars for allegedly starting a fire that burned one seventy 415 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: six acres in Alaska in two thousand nine. Thirty of 416 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: those acres were on federal land. The suit alleges that 417 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: Joshua McDonald, a guide with Groves Salmon Charters, started a 418 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: fire on the bank of the Klatina River on the 419 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: morning of July eight two. The Feds claimed that McDonald 420 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: quote did not clear the land surrounding and under the fire, 421 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: and that he did not completely extinguish the fire before 422 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: vacating the area. They also note that there was a 423 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: burn ban in place at the time. McDonald and his 424 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 1: employer dispute those claims. They say that McDonald properly extinguished 425 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: the fire, that the burn band had not been publicized. 426 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: They also say that they weren't the last group to 427 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: stop at that fishing hole that day. Now, I don't 428 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: know what actually happened. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. 429 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: But as the summer heats up, if it isn't hot 430 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: enough already, we should all remember not to light fires 431 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: unless absolutely necessary, and not at all during a burn band, 432 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: and always put fires out properly, spread the coals out thin, 433 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: and apply water until the sizzles are replaced by bubbles. 434 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: Thirty acres of federal land might cost you a million bucks, 435 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: not to mention lawyers fees. That's all I've got through 436 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: this week. Thank you so much for listening, as per usual, 437 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: right in to a s k C. A L that's 438 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: asked Cal at the Meat Eater dot Com. I appreciate it. 439 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate you so right in and let me know 440 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: what's going on in your neck of the woods. That's 441 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: all I got for you. Thanks again. I'll talk to 442 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: you next week. M.