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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories done.

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<v Speaker 2>Done, Yay, that's messed up.

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<v Speaker 3>An SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lisa and my name is Kara, and

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<v Speaker 1>every week we dive into an episode of Law and

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<v Speaker 1>Order SVU the true crime it's based on. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we chat with a guest, but sometimes we don't,

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<v Speaker 1>but first we chit chat together. What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>The specials out on Netflix night Owl.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't watched it, please watch it for meeting

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<v Speaker 2>there and watch.

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<v Speaker 1>It night Owl. One hour of Lisa Trigger doing stand up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so crazy, vulnerable, one full hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want credit that I did not start this

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<v Speaker 2>episode saying who do who?

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<v Speaker 3>I have put that to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel happy we have exercised the Carla from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, have you been seeing one of them

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<v Speaker 2>days press Like Kiki Palmer, I always loved her and

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<v Speaker 2>like obviously a SVU alum, but like, she is just

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<v Speaker 2>so funny and I don't think there's ever been a

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<v Speaker 2>more charismatic human in the world. That's quick, funny, smart

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<v Speaker 2>on it not a like we'll call people like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just obsessed. No one's existed like her. I love her.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it. I saw a movie.

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<v Speaker 3>How was it? I liked it. It's really good. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it's fun. They have great chemistry, Kiki.

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<v Speaker 1>I truly, like you're saying, I would sit and watch

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<v Speaker 1>her just like shop for shoes online, Like I would

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<v Speaker 1>watch her do anything. Like she's so funny and charismatic,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, but I wanted there to be like

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<v Speaker 1>more jokes kind of in this. But besides that, I

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<v Speaker 1>like there's so many funny extra characters. Dwayne Perkins is

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<v Speaker 1>in it as a really funny character. Janelle James, Kat Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like it's great. I mean, if you like Insecure,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of like almost like an extended Insecure episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's really it really has like Insecure vibes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really I had a good time. I had

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<v Speaker 3>a really good time.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, I've been noticing Kiky like fucking smashing it

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<v Speaker 1>in all these interviews, and she's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, probably has a.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun movie to see in the theater too, Like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it with my friend and we saw in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>We were alone, so we just kind of, oh, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, what a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like the It was you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>one thirty in the afternoon and it was the Discount

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<v Speaker 1>Theater in Pasadena.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, my child, I guess, why is it?

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a new movie? What it is?

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<v Speaker 1>This theater plays all new, They play all news. I

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<v Speaker 1>took my kids there to see Wicked because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if they walk out after hour and a half, at

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<v Speaker 1>least I've only paid five dollars a ticket, Like it's great.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>They the tickets are five to fifty. I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you go before sex, oh I have something to say

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Uh oh no, and another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're gonna be into this because it's something you've

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<v Speaker 2>loved in the past. I started True Blood, Okay, no

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<v Speaker 2>one told me it was soft core porn with just

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<v Speaker 2>like fun restaurant human like chats, Like I'm obsessed, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe the fucking is insane. I mean, within

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes there's a woman on a hook being fucked

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<v Speaker 2>by a vampire and I'm like, this wasn't a selling

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<v Speaker 2>point for anyone for me, like I'm in, I'm in forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I forgot because that was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if HBO is still doing that, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was definitely like the heyday of HBO being like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh and also there's gonna be crazy fucking like no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what it's about.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, I should have just known.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I thought it was gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>different type of vampire vibe and it wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it also like it changes a lot, like to

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the series, Like I'm so interested in

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts, like because I like it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it's not like a great show, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I like it. That guy, I didn't realize he

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<v Speaker 2>had a long career the Stars Guard The Stars Guards

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<v Speaker 2>a vampire. Oh yeah, Like I didn't really, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, so that was where I'm I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>met him in True Blood. That's how I know him.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm a big Anna Paquin fan.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the guys is actually in the episode Smoked,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who's dating Carrie Preston is the guy who

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<v Speaker 2>is in the like Shelter and like shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I couldn't believe that. I bet people you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see so many SVU people. I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's true Blood. It's like it's like practically OZ crossover level.

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<v Speaker 2>But my two issues though, are like the brother of

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<v Speaker 2>Anna Paquin and the restaurant owner look exactly alike. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>both just these guys with blonde I'm like in highlight,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you should have gotten just a brunette and

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<v Speaker 2>a blonde.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't Sam keep it straight. And the brother look alike. Interesting, Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're like too similar.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. Like now I've got it, but in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the fuck is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Jason, Sam and Jason Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I do love.

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<v Speaker 2>This idea where it's like you're discriminating against the vampires.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, they do seem like they suck, like

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<v Speaker 2>as people be like they are not cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's nuanced, it's nuanced.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very But Carrie Preston, like I haven't, like

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<v Speaker 2>she's just so young.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's like it must not be where I

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<v Speaker 1>met met her. But that's like the first thing I

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<v Speaker 1>watched that she was a regular on too.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel I met her in terms of like there

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<v Speaker 2>was always actresses that are good but not famous, that

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<v Speaker 2>are nominated for Oscars, and she's one of them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's just a few of these women where you're like, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best, but like we'll never see her

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<v Speaker 2>in right like on us, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>She was one of those yeah where it's like, what's

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<v Speaker 3>this movie?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>But oh I did just supply, But I did Films

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<v Speaker 2>to be Buried with Brett Goldstein's podcast, which I was

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<v Speaker 2>very excited to do. And there's like thirteen questions and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like pretty intense and obviously I prepped for ever

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<v Speaker 2>like I was, and I was giving. I was like

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<v Speaker 2>reading it out loud, but multiple times he went ooh

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<v Speaker 2>that was a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes, oh that that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes that's a good answer, And I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is like and everything I hoped for for all this time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like making lists, like organizing for a week

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<v Speaker 2>and a half two weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you talk about movie game in Cinea Matrix on

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I kept it together because they have to start

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<v Speaker 2>paying me. I can't keep talking about movie grid the

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<v Speaker 2>way I do. I mention it after we got off

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<v Speaker 2>because he saw every single movie I said, and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have just one answer for everything. So like he

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<v Speaker 2>saw every and I go, I'm assuming you've seen every

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<v Speaker 2>movie for every guest you've had.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm like, how are you seeing all these movies?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I want to see a head to head

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<v Speaker 2>with him and Doug Benson like, do you movies?

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<v Speaker 3>Because he just saw every single thing and knew about it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, he goes, well, I don't watch TV, but

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<v Speaker 2>I watched movies non stop, but he knew everything. It

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty So at the end, I go, do you

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<v Speaker 2>play movie Grid and Cinematrix? He goes yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 2>told the story because when I first started playing, I

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<v Speaker 2>messaged Doug Benson about it and I go, it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hard.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes, it's easy for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So he really bobbed the drag queen to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, like really, I just so, yeah, so knowledgeable.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cool, that's really cool. Wait what okay? And

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<v Speaker 1>he's just like hot with an accent and charming, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like we love. I'd be on a zoom with him.

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<v Speaker 3>We love Brett Goldstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe I'll watch his show, but I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never going to get into the Apple TV universe

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<v Speaker 2>if y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we keep saying that's the only way we don't

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<v Speaker 1>pay for and Jared keeps.

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<v Speaker 3>Being like, we gotta start paying for we go. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't even have to.

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<v Speaker 2>I have so many things I buy that it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you got three months free all yeah, like everywhere, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I have every Apple product, Like, so I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everybody says several slow horses or I want to

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<v Speaker 1>watch the second season a Bad Sisters, like they're all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, so much, but I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just really proud of myself and it was really

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<v Speaker 2>good question. You know, it's like my dream, so like

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<v Speaker 2>that's what great stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the Oscar nomination Speaking before of Carrie

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<v Speaker 1>Preston getting knowledged for an Oscar, No.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard, like I just want Demi Moore it to win.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care. I don't like. Well, once I saw

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<v Speaker 2>all the hubbub that like the Challenger's soundtrack was snobbed,

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<v Speaker 2>I started listening to it and it is just like amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what the fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Amelia Perez of it all is weird. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like anyone likes it. So it's just confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what is going on because I have not

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<v Speaker 1>really heard from that many people about it. But like

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<v Speaker 1>Coffee was vocal saying it was like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>worst movies she's ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well so I watched this thing on Instagram. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know when you watch it and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, who are you and what makes you think

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<v Speaker 2>that you're a professional at any of this? But he

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<v Speaker 2>was just saying, like the Academy used to be mostly

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<v Speaker 2>actors and now they opened it up and so like,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's international, and it's like it's not as craft

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<v Speaker 2>based or like that's I don't know, I have no idea, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it just seems like everyone's like, oh, it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>modern musical, and I'm like, oh, that's like musicals. But

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<v Speaker 2>for it to even win a glow like we're not

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<v Speaker 2>even talking to Oscar like over Wicked, a Broadway show

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<v Speaker 2>that's been on for twenty years, Like are you out

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<v Speaker 2>of your fucking mind? In what world would any song

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<v Speaker 2>beat defying gravity or whatever? Song they pick like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>just like that's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, I will know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I don't even care anymore. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>cool that like Bowen got to read them with Rachel

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<v Speaker 2>Sennet Young Hollywood. You know, it's like it's exciting. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>look at the dresses, but I just don't care, right,

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<v Speaker 2>except for Jimmy Moore.

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<v Speaker 3>I want her to win. I hope she wins, that's

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<v Speaker 3>all I really hope.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild for like a horror movie like that to

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<v Speaker 1>be nominated for Actress for Best Picture.

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<v Speaker 3>It's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a new feels like horror is getting a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a more big foot in the door.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's so interesting, you know. Yeah, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>They never like, I mean, Casey can probably speak to

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<v Speaker 1>this better, but horror stuff never gets recognized right in Oscars.

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<v Speaker 5>Parasite, Yeah, historically, I feel like historically it's been sort

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<v Speaker 5>of snubbed from the Oscars. But latly the last couple

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<v Speaker 5>of years, I feel like like the shape of water

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<v Speaker 5>is sort of horror esque parasite.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh sure, but the substance is supposedly like one of

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<v Speaker 1>the glorious, like those are like more Yeah, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not scary.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. Like the substance is not scary at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just gross. There's got it. It's not scary. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well I'm too scared.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, this is a great opportunity for Casey to tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about a new podcast he's hosting.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, yes, yes, that's right. I'm hosting a

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<v Speaker 5>new podcast. It's called Deer Movies. I Love You. It's

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<v Speaker 5>on the exactly right network that I'm hosting it with.

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<v Speaker 5>We know that network. I'm hosting it with million Erico,

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<v Speaker 5>formerly of I Saw What You Did. And Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 5>just a very like approachable, fun movie podcast that is

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<v Speaker 5>all about sort of like the emotional connection we have

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<v Speaker 5>with movies, and we'll get into like the nitty gritty

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<v Speaker 5>of like you know, super art house bullshit, but we

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<v Speaker 5>make it approachable for everybody and it's like super fun

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<v Speaker 5>and silly.

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<v Speaker 3>So give it a little lot of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're one of my You're one of my movie touchstone

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<v Speaker 1>people that I know has seen everything and I have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you about So I think this is perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's fine. I I want you to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>my episode. I want to see if you're impressed with

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<v Speaker 2>my option.

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<v Speaker 4>I definitely will I'll give you all yeah, I'll listen

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<v Speaker 4>and no, no, I can just.

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<v Speaker 2>Give you my sheep. Yeah, I want a report card.

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<v Speaker 2>I want yeah, I want to know. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>impress everyone with my choices. Now, I it was really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>I should just give you the questionnaire though, too, because

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<v Speaker 2>I was giving it to everyone. I was blacked out

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<v Speaker 2>at the bars. I was like corner everyone at the cellar,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was just so curious about it, Everyone's choices.

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<v Speaker 4>I should have you guys on his guests.

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<v Speaker 3>We should yours simply show guests.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean it's not like we don't like need

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<v Speaker 5>we don't have them every episode, but like the first

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<v Speaker 5>episode we have Chile was sharp.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wait, that's my friend. How do you know about Schile?

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 5>She's really good friends with Millie. And so we bring

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<v Speaker 5>people on in the guest segment to talk about their

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<v Speaker 5>film area of expertise, and Chile would came on to

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<v Speaker 5>talk about Magic Mike and which is got of expertise

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<v Speaker 5>of mine as well? So but yeah, so yeah, you

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<v Speaker 5>guys can come on and talk about your area of expertise.

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<v Speaker 2>What is I would say Edward Norton Movies in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Percy's Dear Movies. I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody, go give it a little follow if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>follow it already.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so fucking exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the ones, one of the questions on

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<v Speaker 2>his is like the film that's supposed to be bad

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<v Speaker 2>but you love and so I had a list of

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch and I actually went to Rotten Tomatoes and

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<v Speaker 2>I got both scores and averaged them to get what

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<v Speaker 2>is actually the worst. And that was really fun too.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, Wow, I'm really into your preparation. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, oh yeah, babe.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was The Stepford Wives.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually twenty six and thirty for Wow, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>that you love that most people hate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm trying to think what mine would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had a few so huge, okay, so Deep

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Sea, but actually critics gave it sixty and then

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<v Speaker 2>it was thirty nine. Human Centipede was forty two and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six. Step for Wives, like I said, twenty six thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Love Stinks was nineteen and sixty three. Wait, I Love

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<v Speaker 2>Love Stinks with mel Brooks No with French Stewart and

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<v Speaker 2>Bridget like Samson.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's a different movie I'm thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, I was thinking about it with mel Brooks

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<v Speaker 1>and Leslie and Warren where he he's a billionaire that

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<v Speaker 1>has to be unhoused for a month in order to win.

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<v Speaker 3>His money back. Oh I love that. No, that that

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<v Speaker 3>can't be the worst I met.

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<v Speaker 2>The Sweetest Thing is twenty five and sixty five, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the Duplex was thirty five and forty, so I

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<v Speaker 2>went with the twenty six and thirty Stepford Wives.

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<v Speaker 3>Casey, what what?

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<v Speaker 4>I love Duplex? I love that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, Hell yeah, Kara, have you seen Duplex? No,

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<v Speaker 2>what's Duplex? It's actually Drew Barrymore and Ben's Stiller and

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey fire Steam.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Okay, I don't know it. I look it up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's fine. I mean, I'm glad Casey likes it like it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Directed by Danny DeVito it and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think you wonder I love it and it and he

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<v Speaker 5>also directed Matilda and it feels kind of like an

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<v Speaker 5>adult Matilda.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, did he direct War of the Roses or no?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Is he just in it? Let's see? Now this

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<v Speaker 2>is a movie podcast. By the way, the movie I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking of it. Yeah, directed by Danny DeVito. Fuck yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love him damn because that that's like a trigger

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<v Speaker 2>family classic War of the Roses war.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we used to have it.

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<v Speaker 1>We taped it off TV on VHS. We had to

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<v Speaker 1>get scribbled on the side. War of the Roses.

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<v Speaker 3>The movie I was thinking of, by the way, is

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<v Speaker 3>life Stinks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm having dejavus because I feel like we've had

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<v Speaker 1>this exact conversation before where You've brought up love stinks

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been like, oh, the mel Brooks, it's life stinks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they the funnest questions is like what film

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<v Speaker 2>thought you thought was the sexiest? But then the side

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<v Speaker 2>character or is like what should you have not found arousing?

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<v Speaker 3>But you do? And I would say it's the most

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<v Speaker 3>vulnerable I've been on a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, No, I probably say crazy shit on this for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, But oh my god, wait, I do have

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<v Speaker 2>something to say. So my friend Sophia, Oh you know Sophia.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to backslize with her. So she's at Live

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<v Speaker 2>Nation and she's actually like she was like she brought

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<v Speaker 2>podcast touring to Live Nation. It was like all her

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<v Speaker 2>first accounts, Like she and so I got to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Madison Square Garden this week because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts she started, and she also did Gigglely Squad at

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<v Speaker 2>Radio City, so it's like a pretty big week for

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<v Speaker 2>her in New York. But I saw that a Dungeons

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<v Speaker 2>and Dragons podcast at Madison Square Garden.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared's was Clint produced the whole thing that Clint was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Clint was there, He's been there for a week. He

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<v Speaker 1>produced that whole show.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I you know, they had fire, there was pyro,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of screens, and I mean because

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<v Speaker 2>we played Call of Cuthulhu during the pandemic, I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like understood what was going on. Yeah, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>truly because I was thinking about people that are dragalongs

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<v Speaker 2>coming to our live show, Like is it as confusing?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think so because we're recapping a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would like they would just show a character

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<v Speaker 2>on the monitors and people would just start losing their shit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was exciting. It was a behaved crowd. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>security did not really have to work too hard. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. Yeah, it's called Dimension twenty. Okay, my friend

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<v Speaker 2>Schamann is in the cast. Wait, which one is Chavon

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<v Speaker 2>Is she blonde and burnette, blonde with like a britishercent.

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<v Speaker 2>She was my favorite. Well she played a character. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't hear a British accent. Oh, but she was dressed

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<v Speaker 2>so cute. I mean the girls were obviously my favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, was Emily Axford in it too? She is she

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<v Speaker 2>married to one of the other ones. Yes, Emily and Murph.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My apartment, my first apartment in la Emily and Murph

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<v Speaker 1>lived two doors down for me in that the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>You would know all these dungeon Canadian doors, Like in

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<v Speaker 2>what world wouldn't you have a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of UCB people too, Like yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>that's like, well it is because one of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>I write, I was like, he was in someone's photo

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<v Speaker 1>with Dan Black, who you're friends with, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>at the SNEL party.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, oh my god, because it was

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<v Speaker 2>like the main guy is charming. And then someone was

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<v Speaker 2>saying that they did improv classes with him, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, that makes more sense.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just like a I don't want to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just a weirdo.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, yeah, he was my improv teacher get the Brennan.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was my improv teacher at UCB.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oh my god, Like that's so cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a really really good time. The girls were

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<v Speaker 2>my favor and then since it's Madison Square Garden, like

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<v Speaker 2>a few of them lived out their fantasies and did

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<v Speaker 2>like some wrestling moves and like, and that was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also some of the fire was a surprise

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<v Speaker 2>and so even the players didn't know. Oh but oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I learned. Since I knew the person

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<v Speaker 2>on production. I can't believe Clint was there. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>I knew. I should have messaged you on my way there.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea you were going. I would have

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<v Speaker 2>been like, Clint, go say hi to Lisa. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have loved it. No, So, like I knew

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<v Speaker 2>one persons their tour manager, and then one person like

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<v Speaker 2>is the Live Nation promoter type. But she was saying

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<v Speaker 2>how they brought their own fucking WiFi.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Clint got there a week earlier to get everything

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<v Speaker 1>in place. He's like, there's so many pieces to this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we got a like he was there. I was

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<v Speaker 1>at his house the night before he was leaving he

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<v Speaker 1>was packing. I was like, wait, the show's on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>you're leaving on Sunday. He's like, it's so much like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's but also what I would want to what I

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<v Speaker 2>would be interested in watching, is like So then I

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<v Speaker 2>went on the Instagram to kind of stalk everyone and

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<v Speaker 2>see what's going on, and the main guy does a

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<v Speaker 2>drag version where it's Bob, Monet, Jujub, and Alaska and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all playing D and D and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what we did with Cthulhu and it is so fun

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like the clip I saw as Jujubi being like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you have that bridge over the water? Does it

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<v Speaker 2>work for acid? And like they're all so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to watch that. I mean, I would watch

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<v Speaker 2>like Bob do everything. But oh, that is so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. I didn't know that they did that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, have you been watching Traders? No, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this afternoon since I'm not feeling so hot, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just get into a Trader's thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I need to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not want to be behind another I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be behind on another season of Traders.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm watching I'm not gonna. I can't. It's it's hit

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<v Speaker 3>a fever pitch for me. I need to. It's also

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<v Speaker 3>just such fun view.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was also fun watching the podcast thing of

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<v Speaker 2>not knowing anything because like people were wearing costumes and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe think of the people that come see us. And

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<v Speaker 2>February twenty third, we're in DC, baby at the Empires.

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<v Speaker 1>Come see us, guys. You have a couple more weeks

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<v Speaker 1>and we love DC. We'll be doing a new episode

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<v Speaker 1>that you have not seen us do. We've got new games,

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<v Speaker 1>so come on down. But yeah, we should we get started.

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<v Speaker 3>It's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't even talk about the impending administrations.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we didn't even talk about doom. Look at us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing great.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I mean we've already said hello, we're doing Manic

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<v Speaker 2>season five, episode two. I'm excited. I'm excited. And it's

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:51.040
<v Speaker 2>really timely. I would say, yeah theme thematically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean I would say it's timeless. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been timely for like twenty years. But yeah, yeah, nothing

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>has changed.

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<v Speaker 2>And now that I'm like back into like rewatching old Simpsons,

0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh my god, it's like the same comment

0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.400
<v Speaker 2>on stuff old US view. It's like the same fucking conversation.

0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.480
<v Speaker 2>And I can't believe we let it just get worse.

0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 2>And oh my god, oh my god, damn boh, I

0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:27.320
<v Speaker 2>get buckle up. We got some flashlights. Stabler sees blood

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.359
<v Speaker 2>on a concrete wall. A uniform cop runs forward. More

0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.960
<v Speaker 2>blood on the wall where basement vibes. It's not a home,

0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.800
<v Speaker 2>it's a huge space. Buckets more blood. Boiler room handle

0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.520
<v Speaker 2>is locked. We hear, don't hurt me, don't hurt me.

0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Finn and Benson arrive. It's nine fifty am. A passerby

0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 2>saw a broken window and thought maybe it was a

0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:45.640
<v Speaker 2>break in, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they hurt. Shots fired.

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<v Speaker 2>Two dead kids in the gym, naked except for shoes

0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:50.720
<v Speaker 2>and socks.

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<v Speaker 3>This is wild. There's a hostage.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Sailor's like, give us the kid. We

0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 2>won't hurt you. Just let the kid go. Silence. No

0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.320
<v Speaker 2>one says anything. A gunshot. Sailor's not playing games anymore.

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.040
<v Speaker 2>He kicks down the door. We see the kid. The

0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.280
<v Speaker 2>shooter's gone. They see a window open, finished checking out

0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:08.720
<v Speaker 2>the window.

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<v Speaker 3>We what do we have? We have a culkin. It's Rory.

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<v Speaker 2>Rory has he done other stuff like he's the worst

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<v Speaker 2>of the Culkins.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but he's I looked him up, like he's done

0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.760
<v Speaker 1>other stuff. What was like Rory Culkin's big thing.

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:24.040
<v Speaker 3>He was in Signs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he has done for I mean he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>steadily working. Like he's got like four credits from twenty

0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:33.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty four.

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh, he was in a Black Mirror.

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Recently, he was in a bunch of episodes of Under

0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the Banner of Heaven, which was like a pretty people

0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 1>liked it. It was you know, it's about Mormonism and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you're right.

0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He was in Castle Rock, which people watched on Hulu. Yeah.

0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.959
<v Speaker 1>Like, so he's doing stuff, but definitely a more low

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<v Speaker 1>key Culkin.

0:22:53.920 --> 0:23:00.240
<v Speaker 2>But I feel like Kieran was low key until recent Yeah,

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:05.160
<v Speaker 2>they've all kind of gone, you know, But I mean mccaullay,

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 2>what a weird name. Oh he yeah, mccaullay is a

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:15.119
<v Speaker 2>weird name. I've never met another McCauley in my life. Yeah,

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe I will. Oh my god, I forgot Karen Culkin

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>was and she's all that.

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:23.320
<v Speaker 3>Damn that's fun.

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh when he was the little boy and father of

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the bride, Oh my god, kue.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, back to reality.

0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Rory. He's been hitting the head. There's blood. Sailor carries

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 2>him out. He's passed out. We got to help this

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.439
<v Speaker 2>teenage boy. So we're getting a bus and the bus

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:46.199
<v Speaker 2>gets us right into the credits beat beep stop requested.

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 3>And now we're in the gym with Cragan. It's all

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<v Speaker 3>hands on deck.

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 2>A witness saw a tall man, white man running away,

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 2>but that's all we have. And then the bullet only

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 2>winged the kids, so that's good and he's gonna wake up.

0:23:58.400 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 3>So then we see.

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Vury graphic murdered children. They don't really show dead kids

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 2>like this, even on this show. These dead children are

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 2>sitting up against the wall. They're not fully covered in

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.919
<v Speaker 2>a sheet. You see like the blood spatter and the

0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.440
<v Speaker 2>holes in their bodies of blood, and they're naked.

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>It is kind of crazy. Yeah, it is really crazy.

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:28.400
<v Speaker 1>It's season five. I guess it's so weird because it's

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 1>like in some older there's like a period of time

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>where there's not as much graphic shit on this show,

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.360
<v Speaker 1>but then now in recent ones, it's like we did

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.919
<v Speaker 1>watch somebody just like burned alive, So like, I don't know,

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.320
<v Speaker 1>some of the dead body shots in the earlier seasons

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>are very graphic, like the women in Baggage that we

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 1>just did. Oh yeah, you know, but yeah, especially kids.

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't think on kids. It's usually just like I mean,

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 1>when they just did Natural Born, when they did Psychopath,

0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:58.400
<v Speaker 1>he kills his brother, and it's like you just see

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>a sneaker on a kid, like you even see the

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:05.159
<v Speaker 1>body at all, you know, Like, but these are like damn, and.

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 2>The teacher heard the gun shots went in because it's

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.240
<v Speaker 2>actually Saturday, So what the fuck? Like, why are people

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>at the school on a Saturday. Yeah, Joey Blaine is

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the boy. He's in the hospital, and then Luke Rhodes

0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 2>and Tyrell Dent are the dead kids, and they are

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:22.720
<v Speaker 2>star basketball players. And then munch goes whoa takeing Hazen

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.359
<v Speaker 2>to the next level. Have some decorum, have some decorum.

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 2>These dead children aren't even covered by the sheet. And

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 2>then they think maybe the kids are there to shoot hoops.

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.880
<v Speaker 2>That's why the they're on a Saturday. The security from

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the school comes running in. The gun is missing. I

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 2>have a gun in the lock box because I confiscated

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 2>it from a student Friday, and authorities are going to

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 2>pick it up on Monday. That's weird. Is't not a

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 2>weird policy? What are the cops that busy pick up

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 2>the gun from the school?

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe because the school would be closed, but yeah, you're right,

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>that is crazy. If you guys hear commotion, it's there's

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>something going on in the busy streets. It sounds like landscaping.

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 1>But it can't be because I live in a concrete jungle, so.

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Where dreams are made of. Oh maybe the student's name

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:12.640
<v Speaker 2>is Derek Fowler. What student?

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, like I already said the other boys' names.

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 2>So Derek brought the gun at the same grade as

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the boys. So bam bam, we're gonna break it into

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 2>this apartment. The dude is chilling reading the paper and

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 2>he is being calm as hell. Randy Fowler is the man,

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, well, what about Derek, And he goes

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 2>he's in his room.

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 3>Would you give up your kid that fast? Okay?

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 2>So then Derek is playing with his cassette player and

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:38.919
<v Speaker 2>Finn goes tell.

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Us about the gun, and he goes, what gun?

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>And then the dad screams like, you bitch, you stole

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.440
<v Speaker 2>my gun, you little prick bitch. I added, but prick

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 2>it was said, and he's being arrested. The dad's like,

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 2>don't talk, son, you don't have to say anything. So

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>I love that he's still on his rights. And so

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're going to go downtown. He's in cement

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 2>room and bars, Finn and Craigan are gossiping about him.

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>He lives with his mom usually, but he kept bringing

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 2>knives to school. He kept getting suspended. Now he's with

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the dad, graduated to a gun. Uh oh, dad's in

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the other room. He go and basically we get confirmation

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that he was drinking all day, so he wasn't involved,

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 2>but he was just drunk at the bar.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Benson comes in.

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 2>No rape on the dead boys, even though they were naked,

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 2>so that's a twist too, but I'm glad they weren't assaulted.

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>But the dad is drunk, the boy had the gun,

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and then Elliott called Joe Blaine is awake, so a

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of action. We gotta go see if he could

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 2>pick out the killer and see if it is this

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 2>expelled gun nut child. So then we meet the mom,

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Mayor Winningham. She has hundreds of credits. I only know

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 2>her from this episode, but she's in flannel.

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any oh yeah, I mean just I

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>just know her as like a person who's been in

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff my entire life. But I don't think anything that's

0:27:56.240 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 1>ever been super important to me, me specifically, I'm trying to think.

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, like Saint almost Fire Turner and Hooch,

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>like she's in all these like old movies. But yeah,

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>nothing that's big in my life. But you know, a working,

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>well known actress. So they're asking who broke the window.

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>He said, the man made me do it. He has

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>a gun and the boy is sketching drawings in a

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>yellow legal pad, so you know, he's lost his mind.

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.640
<v Speaker 1>His eyes are closed, he's chanting. He has a gun.

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, oh boy, shooting bang bang.

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 2>He's struggling, and he has a just a square bandage

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>on his head and there's blood going through the bandage.

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>They want info on the man who dragged him and

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 2>like did all this, and but they just they just

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 2>need his face. But he looks away, he looks at

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 2>his mom, and then he draws the janitor's face, and

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>the janitor has a temper. The security guy says, and

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>he did throw a mop at kids, but the kids

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>did fuck with his bucket. So but there's two dead

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's the two dead boys. So the two dead

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>boys fucked with his bucket and then he threw a

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 2>mop at them. So obviously this janitor is the one

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.959
<v Speaker 2>who double homicided these children and strip them naked.

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 3>But he's the only one with keys.

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>But there are secret backup keys, the security guy says,

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and obviously the janitor is the only guy who knows

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>about the secret backup keys. So janitor's immediately in cement

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 2>room bars. This is the most obvious red herring of

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>this show's history. The janitor is nervous and shaky. It

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't him. It's minute seven of the show. It's not him. Yeah,

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 2>But they show him the sketch and he goes, I

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't hurt Joey, and I just want them to stop

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>being so mean to him. So they're back at like

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the scene, so they have to like try to get

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>more evidence to see what's going on, and it's a puzzle.

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Judas Ciper's on the scene. She's an aunt of a

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>listener and a former guest of the pod. She's chatting

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and she says, like, if you shoot down here, there's

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>so much ricochet. It's ricochet heaven ping ping ping bing

0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>like it. It would be pandemonium down here. But this

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>pipe has evidence that the shot was shot straight up

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 2>into it. There was no bouncing around, so that there

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>was obviously a struggle or you know, someone shot up.

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>And there's hundreds of prints in there, but the bloody

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 2>prints are with the kids. There's prints everywhere. But Joe

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>had his bloody prints on the inside door lock. So

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>the kid with his bloody hand locked the door. So

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>what if the kid and the shooter are actually the

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 2>same person. So yeah, it's the Kulkan. So he put uh,

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 2>he put it to his head and he shot it.

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>And then because he shrunk because it's scary, and he moved,

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 2>the bullet went straight up just grazed his head. And

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>so now we have to try to find the gun.

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Benson finds the gun immediately, I wrote baby Benson, and

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I did that. Flannel Mom opens

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>the door and they bulldozed past her. She's like, tell

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 2>me what what what? They won't, It's like, just tell

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 2>her what's up. So they go into the bedroom. They

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>were gonna get him the fuck out of there. Guns

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 2>are up ready, but he's not in there. They can't

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>find him. He ran out the window. He's gone. There's

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>drawings everywhere, and one of the drawings is at a

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 2>school gym, two dead kids and a shooter standing over them. Okay,

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>so we plan the whole damn thing. The mom looks worried.

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 2>She's in window room blinds with a view because there's

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>woodroom blinds, but not of you like this. It was

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful set of windows. We don't see this very often.

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>But she's like, it's just a drawing. It's kind of

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>like the Hile Hitler. You know, it's like, what, it's

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 2>not that big of a deal. Nah, you're being nuts.

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, do you think Ivanka dressed like a handman's

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>tail character on purpose?

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I heard she was wearing Oscar Delaurenta and that made

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>me sad because I always like Oscar Delorenta stuff.

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Fuck. Come on, listen. At the end of the day,

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 2>it's money, business, rich. They don't give a fuck. They

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>don't give a fuck. Yeah, these people don't give a fuck.

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Fuck everything. I don't even want to leave its own

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>bag anymore. I'm over it. Class warfare. Yeah, keep your America,

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>you dumb bitches. I don't want it. I don't want it.

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>I did watch an interview with Chloe Sevenier recently, and

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>she was saying, she goes, yeah, we were also like

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>punk rock back in the day, and I wish I wasn't,

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, I think I'd be a lot wealthier

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and more successful.

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's like you are so successful.

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>But she's like, yeah, back in the day, like you

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>never wanted to be seen as a sellout, and and

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 2>she goes, that's not really the thing anymore.

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Like everyone, Yeah, but.

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Chloe Sevigne, we were never going to see you like

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>on a Verizon commercial, you know what I mean, Like

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>she was never going to be like, well I love

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Chick fil.

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 3>A, Like yeah for sure. Yeah, I mean she does

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 3>fashion stuff. She's just cool girl vibes, you know. But

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 3>that's funny. That's funny that she's like, oh, my punk days.

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Because that's how I'm like, where are the punk rock people?

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like the people that are shown as punk rock

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 2>are the establishment?

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>People think like Rogan's a renegade and he's like so

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>part of all of this, and where are the punk

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>rock people? Yeah, Luigi, that's it, Just Luig it all

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>goes back to Luigi I'm back in the episode I'm back,

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm back. I'm sorry. It's just like it's just a drawing. Man,

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>there's two dead kids, and your son has a drawing

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 2>of it. So I now get a lawyer and it's

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>dated months before. She's like, he's gentle, nice, you know,

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>typical boy. Mom, But he's just depressed. But he wouldn't

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 2>do this. And Benson's like, if you know, but right

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 2>now he can hurt someone or himself, you have to

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>tell us where he is. She's like, I have no clue.

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I didn't even realize he was gone

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>till you guys busted in. He doesn't have any friends,

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 2>no dad, it's just them too. The dad just left

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>three years ago. Like what a bummer. People shouldn't be

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 2>able to leave like that. Prison. Yeah, I believe in prison,

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you ditch your kid, you go to prison. Like, I

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 2>don't understand why we let dad just kind of ditch

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 2>their kids. I know, I know it's fucked up. There's

0:33:57.880 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>a woman that, oh my god, did you.

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Say if we did, if we did do prison for

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>abandon of your kids, guess who would be pro aborshi

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>all these guys.

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 2>The janitor does confess to something though, uh oh, he

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.240
<v Speaker 2>gave Joey the gun to scare the kids that picked

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 2>on him, and he knows he made a mistake. He's like,

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know it was loaded. Why didn't you check?

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Why did you give a kid a gun? Like this

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>is crazy? But anyways, we find out that this kid's

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 2>on a train out of town. They're trying to track

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 2>them down with schedules. They find him on camera on

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're confirmed. Finn calls him a psycho brat.

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, I love that, and he actually isn't leaving,

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>and then they catch him going to the regular subway,

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>so he's trying to trick them, and so it's is

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>he a mastermind or an idiot? And Finn goes, I

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 2>bet this is the mom's idea, Like buy a train

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.919
<v Speaker 2>ticket to go somewhere else and fucking come back home.

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stabler are spying in a rain in a

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.840
<v Speaker 2>rain covered car, in a rain, in a rain drop.

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Suddenly we're the Magic school Bus. Benson and Stabler are

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 2>spying in a car and she he's like, you would

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>do whatever to save your kids to shut up and

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>don't judge her, but she's dumb. She's taking a cab like, babe,

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 2>obviously you're being followed. You should like you should have

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 2>thought a little harder. But Munch is on foot. Finn's

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>also in a rainy car. Benson and Stabler whatever, they're all,

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>they're all involved.

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.879
<v Speaker 3>They're all gonna get him. But much I do love Munch.

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Munch is at the scene where the mom is getting

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 2>out and he goes, I'm gonna wait for backup. He's

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>like the only in the show's history he asks for backup,

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 2>waits to go in and I bet he would say

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 2>yes to protective custody and a detail.

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 3>Like I just love that Munch was down to chill.

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But anyways, we see the mom in the sun.

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>They're in a warehouse. There's a lot of boxes. She's

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:48.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to protect him. They take them both away and

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 2>cuffs and they're in separate rooms. They're trying to make

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 2>him realize that he's in huge trouble. He starts talking

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 2>about Zoultar and listen obviously, like you know, you have

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.120
<v Speaker 2>to have a mental break down, Like he's an an

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>unwell boy. This boy is sick. But I I like

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 2>it goes on too long. It's like so annoying.

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Also, Zoltar is the movie in the movie is the

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 1>machine in the movie Big that turns Tom Hanks from

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 1>a little boy into a man.

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>He's like, uh, he's the fortune teller. Well, it's at

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Coney Islands. I've I've visited Zultar, Oh very much. Oh okay.

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I like the There's a woman next to him, and

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I like her better. Of course her fortune are a

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 2>little more on point Zults.

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>We are obviously a pro female fortune teller podcast. Of

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>course over Zultar any day. But it's interesting that they

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>just picked this.

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 1>There's a million, like made up names you can make

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 1>about this man who's in your dreams making you kill people,

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, and he.

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Chose Zultar, Baby, Vultar.

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 2>He says it's the shooter and the drawing, and he

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>starts hitting himself. They're like, zult is gonna and he goes,

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Zulter is gonna kill you. He thrashing. There's so much thrashing.

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Stabler's holding him. His lawyer says, we're stopping this. This

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 2>boy is sick. He can't stand trial. And then, you know,

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 2>do we believe him, do we not. We got a

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Benson Huang, you know, spying in. So Huang and Benson

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 2>believe the boy, and of course Stabler Kragan are questioning

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 2>the boy. But he has a pass of depression and

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 2>probably add his journals are dark, but he's talented. Something

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 2>tipped the fantasy to reality. That's Huang's big thing. Benson's like, well,

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the janitor gave him a gun, and Huang's like, no,

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>that's not enough, Like that's the means, but that's not

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 2>the trigger to the psychotic episode. So what are what

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 2>could be the possible triggers. Huang is like, well, maybe

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.800
<v Speaker 2>it's alcohol or drugs or lack of sleep or other stressors.

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 2>And then Craigan jumps in like, okay, can we actually

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 2>feel more bad for like the two kids that are killed.

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Let's focus on that.

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.320
<v Speaker 2>But they do need a confession, and Huang's like, listen,

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.720
<v Speaker 2>we need to give him food, rest, pencil and paper.

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Wang's in there and he hasn't slept since Wednesday. It's Saturday.

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>He's thrashing, and I love the word thrashing, I really do.

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.479
<v Speaker 2>I think that's one of my favorite words. Thrashing. He's

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>on the grates of the windows. I mean, Stabler's just

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>watching the thrashing. There's walking. He didn't want to take

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the pills, but he had bad nightmares, and the pills,

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, give him loud noises. He wanted the noises

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>to stop. Along's being very sweet and calming, and he's like, well,

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 2>what are the voices saying? So is to do stuff?

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 2>And Stabler goes Zoltar and that makes him thrash some more.

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 2>And then he poses like truly Britney Spears trying to

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 2>be sexy in a music video against the Greats, and

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I paused it to write down notes and like, Stabler

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 2>looks disgusted at the post too. He's like, fuck, bro,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 2>like stop, you're being weird. And so now we get

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the bull you know, he gets bullied. He gets the pants.

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 2>People are so mean to him. He's breathing deep. He's talking,

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 2>I need the shooting running bang bang, okay, move on,

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:56.479
<v Speaker 2>like I'm it just goes on forever again.

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm writing thrashing.

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm the problem breathing just tell us so. Anyways,

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 2>so he put his gun to his head because he

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted to get rid of the voices. That's what happened,

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>and then everything's a blur. He's like, everyone's so mean

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to me. He starts to cry and he wants to

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>see his mom. So now Craigan and Cabot, and Cabot

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 2>has fully full fluffy bangs and it's really hard to

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 2>pay attention to anything. She goes, this is hard, Like

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 2>he's thirteen, so it should be family court. But it's

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 2>premeditated murder. That's adult. And so then the DA wants

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>to charge him as an adult. An arrayment is Monday,

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>so Barry Mordock, the Crusader style lawyer, is taking the case.

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.959
<v Speaker 2>But Cabot's like, well, what this isn't a constitutional issue?

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 2>What are you doing here? He goes the fourteenth Amendment,

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 2>the right to refuse medication and the right to privacy.

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Joey's school made him take aptril and if you used to,

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 2>if you've been to our live shows before, we're going

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 2>to be in DC, so there's you know, if you

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.359
<v Speaker 2>want to see one. But aptrol was the answer to

0:39:55.400 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>one of our trivia questions. Classic a classic trill, Yes, yes,

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.359
<v Speaker 2>and so that's a you know, it's a wild pill.

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Barry is smiling and he goes, we're gonna have a

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>fun time in Core and he's taking on this case

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 2>for free, and she's like the you know, fuck off.

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>The side effects of drugs do not cause people to murder.

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, well it's mania. Mania is a side effect.

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 2>You can't blame a boy for having a manic episode

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:24.479
<v Speaker 2>from a side effect that the drug was forced upon him,

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, and kab but it's like, wow, you sure

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 2>know a lot about aptral and he's like, well, yeah,

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>you can thank the doctor who called me about this case.

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Guess who it was, Hwong, Baby, it was Wong Damn

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Trader starting in season four of Traders. Wait, bitch, are

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 2>you watching Traders? I'm about to start. I'm truly going

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 2>to start. I'm watching this season.

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start, not start all okay, I know,

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>like no, no, no, because I want to. I'm telling you,

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>you want to, like millennial TikTok. Whatever the reason is

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>is that it's just on Peacock and it's not on

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 1>my cable. If it was on my cable, I would

0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 1>just have it saved on my DVR. I'll be watching it.

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm an old person. I just want it on my

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.240
<v Speaker 1>fucking cable. But I'm gonna watch it because I'm really

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 1>interested and I want to watch what Bob does.

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 3>And there's a new season of two too.

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yes, oh my gosh, there's been a lot

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>happen I now.

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 2>So anyways, Cabot runs in. She's screaming into the precinct.

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stabler watch and Huang turns around slowly, and

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Cabot's like, what the fuck were you thinking handing this

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 2>case over to Barry Mordoc. So Huang is like, listen,

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Barry seemed concerned about the boy. I'm concerned about the boy.

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:32.240
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, yeah, but you handed him a defense.

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, you know, why don't you just publish

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>an article? Why are you fucking with my case? And

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 2>he's like, fuck you before you keep railing against me,

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 2>why don't you see what your detectives feel about this,

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.400
<v Speaker 2>you know? And so then the detectives are like, well,

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.800
<v Speaker 2>let's go talk to the doctor who prescribed these pills.

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 2>But doctor Engels, of course, the psychiatrist is like, well,

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I can't let you guys know, you know, doctor patient,

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, confidentiality. And then the guy is in shock

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 2>though when he hears why they're like, hello.

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 3>The shooting. He goes, oh my god, like you could tell.

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 2>You really rattled by the news, and he breaks his

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 2>ethical work codes immediately. He's like, I actually didn't prescribe

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the drug, but the boy came in for therapy. I

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 2>think therapy could have worked for him. But after the

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 2>second session, HMO said that they wouldn't approve him as

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>a doctor and they wouldn't pay for them. They wouldn't

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:21.720
<v Speaker 2>pay for it, but they would pay for the medication.

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>So HMO refused to pay for therapy but paid for

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the pills. He's like, yeah, therapy is thousands of dollars

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and lots of hours. Pills are cheap and quick, and

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 2>he's like, and I did not get I don't even

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>like giving kids meds, and we don't know what these

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 2>powerful drugs can do to these children. And they're like, okay,

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 2>but how did he get them? And it's important we

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 2>have to find out how he got these pills. So

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 2>the detectives are workshopping how he got them, so it's like,

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 2>did he buy him from school? And then Stable brings

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 2>up snorting adderall and a riddlin, and it's like, this

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 2>boy is not snorting Riddlin and drug dealing like this,

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Like he's not a he does not have a friend.

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Who is he buying? Really, I'm snorting with you. Fucking

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:06.319
<v Speaker 2>I just hate when these like amazing detectives with the

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:10.320
<v Speaker 2>best crime rate in all of Manhattan are like fucking

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:14.359
<v Speaker 2>stupid sobs. Cabot's like, you know what, I know one

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 2>person I can ask to see how he got these

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 2>fucking pills. So she's with the boy Joey and Barry

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, well, let's you know, where'd you get

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 2>these pills? And Murdoch of course goes it's a phishing expedition,

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.359
<v Speaker 2>and Cabbot goes, listen, you're saying the drugs made him

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 2>do it. I want to know who gave him the pills,

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and he says I don't know, so like, no doctor

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 2>gave it to him, so he got it himself. So

0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 2>he's a criminal. So what's going on? You wanted to

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 2>be on those pills? And Barry's like, babe, I don't

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:38.839
<v Speaker 2>know what you're bringing. I don't like this. I'll see

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 2>you in court. So now we're in court, so you

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 2>know this game. We're in court and the defense has

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>a you know, a professional on the stand and Cabot's

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 2>going to be like you dumb whore and like bring

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 2>her down. So basically, like one point eight percent of

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 2>people that took aptrol had manic reactions to it. So

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>using the numbers of how many people are anatural, that

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 2>means basically like fifty to seventy thousand people could have

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:07.040
<v Speaker 2>these kind of manic reactions at any moment. And then

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 2>but it's like a bad study. So the study only

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 2>had one hundred and ninety people in it. That's not

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 2>enough to imply that seventy thousand people are going to

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 2>get it. And the results of the trial have also

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 2>never been replicated, and you need that for it to

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 2>be credible. So then this professional, this is like one

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:26.280
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite things that's ever happened.

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Son.

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 2>The professional brings up anecdotal evidence in Cabot goes, I

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.319
<v Speaker 2>thought you were here as a scientist, not as a storyteller.

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Burn boom, Get out of here, Get out of here.

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 2>So he's on the stand, the little boy, and he's like,

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I felt on fire. Nothing could hurt me.

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I did kill those boys. I wanted to die. I

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 2>was trying to take my own life, but I was

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 2>shaking too much. And then Cabot shows the drawing not

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:57.280
<v Speaker 2>good for you, Joey, and he's like, it's just a drawing,

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, no, it's the dead kids from the gym.

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 2>But also, you keep aiming aptrel. But you drew these

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.959
<v Speaker 2>and went to a psychiatrist and planned the shooting before

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 2>anyone gave you aptrol. So boom baby, And this is

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.320
<v Speaker 2>one of the worst wigs of all time. On the stand,

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I would say, especially the hair is bad. The wig

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.240
<v Speaker 2>is weird. It's a weird choice. It's a weird hairdo.

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like, what were they trying to say? Like, there's

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>just so many questions with the wig, but also a

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 2>lot of questions with aptrol, and where did he get

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the drugs?

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So then the little culkin.

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Is like, maybe I had the thoughts, but I wouldn't

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 2>have done it without the drug, And so then it's

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 2>like who prescribed it?

0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:34.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, no one.

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.720
<v Speaker 2>He's stuttering, I don't know, I don't know. He's screaming,

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Cabot's like, you wanted it, you stole it.

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Stop you know, they're they're on a they're on a

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.360
<v Speaker 2>scream fest. And then the mom gets up and says,

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I gave it to him. Okay, it was me. Cabot

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 2>is stunned. Wow, she's wrong. So we're in blind's room,

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:54.800
<v Speaker 2>but it's like the dingy one. She told Barry Murdock

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 2>about the pills and he said it doesn't matter, you know, where,

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>as long as he took them. So then they're like,

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 2>so it was prescribed by a doctor and she goes, no,

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 2>it just showed up in the mail. It just arrived

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and they're like what. She goes, no, I didn't buy it.

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't ask for it nothing, it just arrived. She's like, yeah,

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:11.879
<v Speaker 2>when the HMO said that they weren't going to pay

0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 2>for therapy, the pills just arrived on my steps. And

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 2>they're like what the fuck? And she's like, listen, I

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 2>started a new job. He was getting in trouble in school.

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 2>My boss was mad, and then the school said that like,

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 2>if he doesn't get medicated, he can't go to school.

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>And then a box of pills just arrived and she has,

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, the letter and a doctor from three years

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 2>AGO's name on it. So that's like somehow this doctor

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>she hadn't seen for three years sent her a letter

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 2>with these pills. She says, I love my son. I

0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:40.800
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do anything to hurt him. He was going to

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:42.320
<v Speaker 2>get kicked out of school, and I, you know, I

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:44.439
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have a job. And then Sail there's a piece

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of shit here and goes, you gave your kid drugs

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to get to work on time?

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Fuck you? Oh my god, he's cute.

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Everyone said it was okay, and she's like, you know,

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.319
<v Speaker 2>everyone wanted him to do it, and they're like, well,

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.719
<v Speaker 2>why not get a prescription. She's like, I didn't want

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 2>him to get labeled. That follows you for life. And

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 2>one day came home from work and it was on

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the steps. So I gave it to him. And she's

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 2>crying and she's like, I thought no one will know

0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>and everything will be okay. She's crying even harder. Now.

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 2>This is all so heavy, and I feel like her

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 2>and Becky and Baker from the episode Justice. I hope

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 2>they find a support group together about moms whose fault

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 2>it is so I feel bad. They're just such sad

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 2>moms with such big decisions to make. So Cabot is

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 2>with the squad and you know, on the phone with

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the pharmacy and the pharmacy said the prescription was legitimate

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:34.399
<v Speaker 2>and it was signed by a real doctor and all

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:37.440
<v Speaker 2>they did was mail out the medicine. And Craigan's like,

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:40.480
<v Speaker 2>but is there a crime. Benson goes, I mean it's sleazy.

0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Cabot's like, no, it's worse than sleazy. Stabler comes in

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>with a poster and a spokesman CEO from this company

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 2>denies that they would do a mail out thing, but

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like the letter that was with the pills is

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 2>on the letter head of this drug company. Stabler says

0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:59.319
<v Speaker 2>that their response to that was that this is a

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 2>rogue employer who did this and they're gonna s soon

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:02.839
<v Speaker 2>be found out.

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:04.399
<v Speaker 3>So what can we do now?

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 2>So we go talk to the doctor who like is

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.919
<v Speaker 2>on the prescription from years ago. So we go talk

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 2>to him and they're like, well, what's the incentive? And

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing it's money. So we're in Chelsea and he says,

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 2>that's my signature, but I didn't write or read the letter.

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 2>And he's like skimming in and sables like, aren't you

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 2>the least bit pissed off someone could do this? And

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 2>he's like, listen, it was part of a marketing thing.

0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:28.279
<v Speaker 2>They said that they would send samples, but only to

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 2>patients who had taken the drug before, and he's like,

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and they asked how many letters did he sign for this?

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:35.879
<v Speaker 2>And he goes twenty four letters and they're like, well,

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.680
<v Speaker 2>will you share the patientless He's like, oh, I shared it,

0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>but only those with depression, and Kabit goes well with

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.960
<v Speaker 2>or without their consent, and he goes, no, I didn't

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 2>consult them, and Saber goes, fuck you, I can't believe

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 2>you would do this.

0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:48.360
<v Speaker 3>He goes, listen, I got paid nothing.

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:50.800
<v Speaker 2>They guaranteed the three month supply of essential drugs for

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>the clinic, and most patients here have no insurance, and

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:54.920
<v Speaker 2>if I don't help them, no one will.

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:57.359
<v Speaker 3>She's like, whoa fuck, how's the deal?

0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, how's your deal with the devil going he goes,

0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 2>If it helps poor patients that need the medicine that

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 2>can't afford it, I'm fine with it, Like and I'm shocked.

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't expect him to try like that. He was

0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.919
<v Speaker 2>trying to be good, yeah, you know, And.

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's where they get you, because you're like, oh,

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I kind of see why you did it, but it's

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like you would it have been pretty easy also to

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 1>just tell them, Hey, I'm having this sent to you

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and like, what do you want it? Sign a consent form. Yeah,

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>it's only a few people. It wouldn't have been that hard.

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:26.320
<v Speaker 3>Damn.

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>So he's like Aptrel's also a good drug, Like what

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.279
<v Speaker 2>could have happened? And then he hears what happened and he's,

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, upset, So he gives up the pharmacy wrap.

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Jane Wellesley so they go find her and she's like

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 2>fidgeting at the trunk of a luxury station wagon. She

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:45.000
<v Speaker 2>has boxes and boxes of Aptril and she's like, oh,

0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.759
<v Speaker 2>I have nothing to say, and Cabot on Fire, like

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I said in this episode, goes, how do you know

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 2>what we're gonna ask?

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:52.319
<v Speaker 3>Love it?

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 2>She's like no, no, and they use guilt and like

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 2>what about your kids? We need you to talk and

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:01.840
<v Speaker 2>she's like we were very careful and and he goes, no,

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:04.399
<v Speaker 2>people are dead, and her face shows some worry and fear.

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 2>But at the end of it, she goes, I have

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.760
<v Speaker 2>an appointment, like excuse me. So then she but before

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 2>she closes the door, cab It catches her and goes,

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:14.320
<v Speaker 2>you said we sent it out, so that means the

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 2>company knew what you were doing. It wasn't just you

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.880
<v Speaker 2>deciding to like do this marketing scam. And so she

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 2>zooms off. We see it's a BMW, which is the

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:24.840
<v Speaker 2>number one car of assholes. I would say, that's my

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 2>that's my opinion, and.

0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 1>It's full of salses working its way up. But yeah,

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 1>now it's fucking cyber trucks.

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 2>That is true. That is one hundred percent true. It

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 2>is a cyber truck. So embarrassing. I oh my god,

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 2>oh my god. But she zooms off with you know

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 2>in her beamrah pills Cabot nods, she's gonna bring them down. First,

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 2>she stops at Huang's office for some advice, and she

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 2>thinks that the direct marketing tactics are directly responsible for

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Joey's maname, you know mania, which led to the shooting.

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 2>And this is all fucked and she's like, the trial

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 2>starts tomorrow. I think I'm gonna win and I don't

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 2>want to, and Huan goes, will plead him out. She goes,

0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 2>but how's that justice for the two dead boys? And

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:07.840
<v Speaker 2>he's like, it's not. But you can help Joey, like,

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, get him to the psychiatric care that he

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.920
<v Speaker 2>needs and that's actually justice. And Cabot thinks about it,

0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and they go to Juvie and she's, you know, has

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 2>a meeting with Barry. Barry does not want to take

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the deal at all. She's trying really hard. Cabot's like, listen,

0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:24.880
<v Speaker 2>just have him plead to guilty to manslaughter and he

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>goes to a psychiatric care facility and gets proper treatment.

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 2>He nods, he understands what you know she's saying. And

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.279
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna let the kid decide. And the mom's like, wait,

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.800
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do this right now, and she starts panicking.

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>She's like, I need time to talk to Joey and

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 2>make a decision, but courts tomorrow, like they need to

0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.719
<v Speaker 2>make this deal asap. And Joey to his mom's like, no, girl,

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:47.800
<v Speaker 2>like it's okay, I know, I know what I'm doing.

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 3>I want to get better. She hugs him.

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.319
<v Speaker 2>They all cry, and Cabot's now walking out of her

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 2>office and then knock, knock, knock on the if you

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 2>want me, but it's Fred Thomas and so and Fred

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Thomas and is not happy with this deal. He's like,

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:05.239
<v Speaker 2>man two for a double murder and he's like, you're

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:08.719
<v Speaker 2>just letting Barry win. She's like, no, I got new information.

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Corporate greed got involved. And then Fred Thompson, I took

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 2>a photo of this immediately as I was watching it,

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:19.440
<v Speaker 2>he says, corporate greed is the beating heart of America.

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:21.720
<v Speaker 3>Alex, Oh my god.

0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.879
<v Speaker 1>When you said this episode is so timely, I wasn't

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>even thinking about these implications. I was thinking more of

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:32.680
<v Speaker 1>just like you know, gun violence in schools. But yes, damn,

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm also this is a Luigi coded episode. I'll make

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:39.840
<v Speaker 1>myself a Luigi bracelet. That's what I'll do for myself.

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll say it again, corporate greed is the beating heart

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:50.680
<v Speaker 2>of America. Alex, Ah, god, it is. That is it?

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 2>It's really corporate greed and racism. Yeah, it's really cool,

0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 2>really concise. The show is incredible. We're so looking so prescient,

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:07.440
<v Speaker 2>like the show like predicts the future. Yeah. So, but

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>he wants justice for the two boys, and I do

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 2>understand that. And then he calls her a bleeding heart,

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 2>which is like, Cabo, it's not a bleeding heart.

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 3>She's a prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it's so funny with this nonsense but she he goes,

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>this is nonsense, but she does believe in it. She

0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.839
<v Speaker 2>thinks they are responsible, this drug company, and he goes, fine,

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 2>then get me justice.

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't care how high you have to go.

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:30.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you don't have to tell Alex twice she

0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 2>will bust into a boardroom at any at a drop

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 2>of a hat. She goes to find Jane, harasses her

0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to come sit down with Joey's mother. Sandra confronts Jane

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you said it was safe, and I

0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:43.160
<v Speaker 2>gave it to my son. And she's like, yeah, you

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have done that, you know. And they're like, but

0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.200
<v Speaker 2>you just you just sent it. There was no warnings nothing.

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 2>The mom is just like upset. She's like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know what I did wrong. I know what my son

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>did wrong, but like your company, you did some of

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.000
<v Speaker 2>you you have to share some of the guilts in this.

0:53:57.480 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 2>And Jane says, there were clear instructions and you didn't

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 2>follow them. And then it's like, you're a mother, what

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 2>if this was your kids? And how does that feel?

0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:07.560
<v Speaker 2>My kid's on murderer. I don't know why I said

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:08.879
<v Speaker 2>it in that voice. It was like a.

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Touching scene, but you know, the classic.

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:14.319
<v Speaker 2>But she begs her like, please, don't you love your children, like,

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.760
<v Speaker 2>don't let that people just like, don't let this company

0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:21.960
<v Speaker 2>destroy anymore lives. This moves Jane. She's teary eyed. I

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:27.839
<v Speaker 2>can't take Cabot seriously with these bangs. She says you

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Jane says, do what do you want from me? And

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:32.960
<v Speaker 2>then one of our favorite tropes, well you know what

0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:36.520
<v Speaker 2>she wants. I'm so excited, big business meeting giant, like

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, building in the sky of view windows suits.

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I count five women, forty men. And then Stabler is

0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:46.760
<v Speaker 2>like in front, and then Cabot and Benson are flanking

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.440
<v Speaker 2>him in the back and they're walking Charlie's Angel style

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 2>to arrest his ass. And he's like, what is this

0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:53.240
<v Speaker 2>a hostile takeover?

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Lol?

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.359
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, fuck you bitch, and so yeah, they're

0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:59.919
<v Speaker 2>like you sign an okay, this marketing we found evan

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 2>and so yeah. So the mom finally was guilted into

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 2>sharing all of the evidence that showed the company new

0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 2>He okayed the marketing plan, he oh, is okay getting

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 2>patient lists, and Stabler is arresting him and I love

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a rich man not being able to talk his way

0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 2>out of something and he goes, stop it, you're hurting me.

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:21.319
<v Speaker 2>And then Cabot walks away and she's like so hot

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, yeah, like I did that so good,

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 2>dick wolf baby.

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:28.799
<v Speaker 3>And that is that.

0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:33.600
<v Speaker 1>The sad part is like every time this show does

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:37.239
<v Speaker 1>give you a little boost of like Sarah Chnin kind

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:41.279
<v Speaker 1>of whereen when they arrest like a big pharmacy guy

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But you know, those fucking guys never go

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.759
<v Speaker 1>to jail, Like, they never ever go to jail. They

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:47.400
<v Speaker 1>never get purp walked out in the middle of a

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.640
<v Speaker 1>board meeting like we're gonna find out more, but like

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:53.799
<v Speaker 1>it's just, oh, I want to see it, but it

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen.

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.080
<v Speaker 3>And that's why Luigi matters.

0:55:55.880 --> 0:56:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Into his own hands allegedly allegedly alleged him.

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 3>But somebody did. Somebody did when they got that guy.

0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get into the real cases.

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:11.240
<v Speaker 3>There's a few little cases.

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:13.320
<v Speaker 2>What there was a story just about the bad wig

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:22.720
<v Speaker 2>that was that was the true crime of the episode.

0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:26.080
<v Speaker 1>So we'll start in like kind of chronologically in how

0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the episode lays out with a school shooting on February

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth of nineteen ninety two, fifteen year old Khalil

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Sumpter shot Ian Moore, age seventeen, and Tyrone Sinkler, aged sixteen,

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:40.719
<v Speaker 1>dead in the hallways of their high school, which was

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jefferson High School in East New York, which is

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:46.320
<v Speaker 1>a section of Brooklyn. At this time, guns are running

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:47.879
<v Speaker 1>rampant on the streets of East New York.

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 3>People are killing people who look at them the wrong way.

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Like it is a bad it's a bad time moment

0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>in time for this area, and guns are everywhere. On

0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 1>the day of the killings, actually about an hour later,

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Mayor David Dinkin was scheduled to visit the school to

0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:03.320
<v Speaker 1>tell the kids to stay.

0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:06.919
<v Speaker 3>Off drugs and stay away from guns. And the hour

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<v Speaker 3>before the shooting happens. What so did the guys, Like,

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:14.840
<v Speaker 3>did the student here, that's the talk. No, he he

0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:15.359
<v Speaker 3>didn't come.

0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:18.200
<v Speaker 1>They canceled the visit because of this, you know, you know,

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:21.600
<v Speaker 1>like there was a huge issue at the school, like

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a double homicide.

0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:27.480
<v Speaker 2>And I thought I heard Dinkin's message and said that's

0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 2>a like fuck that guy.

0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like the like, this is a neighborhood where

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:35.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of teens have records. The New York Times

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>wrote about the three boys involved. Quote, none of the

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 1>youths qualified as full fledged hoodlums, so I wouldn't use

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 1>that word. That's the Times from the early nineties saying that,

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>but all these boys had records, but they were like

0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 1>not anything super serious. Like, they had records, but they

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 1>weren't for anything big. The article does also use the

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 1>R words several times, just to take you back to

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:59.320
<v Speaker 1>where it is about, you know, mental, about people's mental state,

0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and then two sentences later they used the word punctilius.

0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:05.360
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot happening in this article from the

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:08.680
<v Speaker 1>New York Times. But the victims lived the two victims

0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:11.480
<v Speaker 1>lived in the same housing project, and the shooter, Sumter,

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 1>lived a couple streets away. And the word on the

0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:16.800
<v Speaker 1>street was that the two victims would pick on Sumter

0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and intimidate him, but also that Sumter was just a

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote a punk trying to prove himself, according to

0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 1>a witness statement to the Times. But in junior high,

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:29.360
<v Speaker 1>these guys were all friends in junior high until Tyrone

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 1>and Khalil allegedly tried to rob another kid and then

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:35.120
<v Speaker 1>when he didn't have any money, they beat him up.

0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>And then Tyrone got busted for it and Khalil walked,

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.000
<v Speaker 1>So Tyrone assumed that Khalil made a deal and rat

0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it on him, but the police confirmed that that's not

0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 1>what happened, so but still they became enemies over this.

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:50.680
<v Speaker 1>So then later, according to other students, the other victim,

0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Ian tried to steal a gold nugget bracelet from this

0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 1>other kid named Dupree who is Khalil's best friend, and

0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the robbery didn't work out, but still setting up Dupree

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:04.240
<v Speaker 1>and Khalil do not like Tyrone and Ian. The next day,

0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Khalil wore the bracelet to taunt Ian and trol him

0:59:07.400 --> 0:59:08.480
<v Speaker 1>about not being able.

0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:09.800
<v Speaker 3>To steal it. So these guys hate each other.

0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Ultimately, Khalil was too scared to really start an altercation

0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:16.160
<v Speaker 1>with Tyrone, who was very big, but they'd all they'd

0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 1>go all out on harassing Ian, who had recently lost

0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of weight due to an operation, which is

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.920
<v Speaker 1>sad and Khalil claims that in the days leading up

0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:27.720
<v Speaker 1>to the killing, Tyrone threatened him and his family and

0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 1>shot at him on the street, but there was never

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:32.920
<v Speaker 1>any evidence that turned up that Tyrone or Ian had guns.

0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:35.960
<v Speaker 1>And the prosecution thought that Khalil was making up that story.

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 1>He said, after these threats and after being openly shot at,

0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.120
<v Speaker 1>allegedly he borrowed a thirty eight, but police said that

0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 1>the gun had originally been stolen in nineteen eighty nine

0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>from an off duty campus police officer at the University

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 1>of Medicine and Dentistry in New Jersey in Plainfield, New Jersey.

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.160
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know how this gun got into his hands,

0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.480
<v Speaker 1>but he somehow got it or borrowed it from someone.

0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:01.040
<v Speaker 1>One account says that on the day in question, people

1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:04.040
<v Speaker 1>had told Khalil he was about to get jumped. So

1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:06.320
<v Speaker 1>all of these things are building and building. So when

1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:08.440
<v Speaker 1>he sees these guys in the hallway, he says he

1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:11.120
<v Speaker 1>thought one of them reached into his waistband, and Khalil

1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:12.920
<v Speaker 1>thought he was reaching for a gun, so he shot

1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:16.400
<v Speaker 1>both of them dead. He confested the shooting. He claimed

1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:18.480
<v Speaker 1>he was in fear for his life. He said on

1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the stand, I thought my life was in danger. I

1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:24.160
<v Speaker 1>thought I'd suffer serious harm. A jury found him guilty

1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:28.160
<v Speaker 1>of secondary degree murder, but immediately reduced that finding to

1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:32.040
<v Speaker 1>first degree manslaughter, which these kind of reductions can happen

1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:34.600
<v Speaker 1>when a jury finds that while the killing was intentional,

1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:37.360
<v Speaker 1>which is a definition of second degree murder, the actions

1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:40.600
<v Speaker 1>were carried out with a mitigating circumstance quote unquote. So

1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in this case, they're calling the mitigating circumstance extreme emotional distress.

1:00:45.920 --> 1:00:48.800
<v Speaker 1>So when he addressed the judge, Sumpter said, I didn't

1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:49.600
<v Speaker 1>do this out of hate.

1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:50.600
<v Speaker 3>I was pushed into it.

1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:54.000
<v Speaker 1>So he was facing a max of three and a

1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 1>third years to ten years each for each of the

1:00:57.560 --> 1:01:01.480
<v Speaker 1>two manslaughter convictions, and he would have gotten nine to

1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:03.200
<v Speaker 1>life for each if he had it, if they hadn't

1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:04.880
<v Speaker 1>immediately lowered the charge to manslaughter.

1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:06.040
<v Speaker 3>He did get the max.

1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 1>He got six and two thirds years to twenty years

1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 1>in prison, which is the longest possible term for someone

1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:13.840
<v Speaker 1>guilty of two counts of manslaughter committed at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of fifteen. So I don't know when he got out.

1:01:17.120 --> 1:01:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this happened in the nineties, so he would

1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:20.880
<v Speaker 1>have gone out already. But I looked him up in

1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the I looked his name up in the Uh maybe

1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:27.960
<v Speaker 1>his name is somehow changed in these because he's only fifteen.

1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:28.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:30.960
<v Speaker 1>But he's not in the inmate look up even though

1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:32.680
<v Speaker 1>they have people that have left. So I don't know

1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:34.160
<v Speaker 1>why I couldn't find him in the inmate look up.

1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:37.040
<v Speaker 1>But he's out now he should be, so that I wonder.

1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Because he's a juvenile, doesn't SV like those records get

1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:44.560
<v Speaker 2>expunged or like yeah, or you can't follow along or

1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:45.440
<v Speaker 2>they get sealed.

1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:47.400
<v Speaker 3>But that's also just from episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he also does go to prison, so I

1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:50.880
<v Speaker 1>wonder if they tried him as an adult, like he

1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:53.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't go to a juvenile facility. I don't know, I

1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:56.800
<v Speaker 1>have no idea, but that just is like where they

1:01:56.880 --> 1:01:59.360
<v Speaker 1>drew some of the bar getting the gun because the

1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:01.840
<v Speaker 1>kids are making, you know, like the storyline at the beginning.

1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Then they obviously referenced Columbine directly, which occurred in April

1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:08.320
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety nine and is one of the most

1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:10.840
<v Speaker 1>infamous school shootings in US history. I'm not going to

1:02:10.880 --> 1:02:12.920
<v Speaker 1>go super in depth about what happened at Columbine. I

1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:15.600
<v Speaker 1>feel like everybody knows the story, sadly, it's been replicated

1:02:15.680 --> 1:02:19.120
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of times since. But essentially what happened was that

1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:22.760
<v Speaker 1>two high school seniors in Columbine, Colorado, Eric Harris and

1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Dylan Klebold murdered twelve students and one teacher and then

1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:28.880
<v Speaker 1>took their own lives. They planned the massacre for a

1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:31.520
<v Speaker 1>year before they did it. One thing I didn't know

1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:33.919
<v Speaker 1>about that was that they actually had planned a bunch

1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:36.200
<v Speaker 1>of bombs and then they wanted it to be a bombing,

1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:38.840
<v Speaker 1>but all their bombs failed to detonate, so then they

1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:43.080
<v Speaker 1>went on with a school shooting. So it sparked copycat killings,

1:02:43.080 --> 1:02:46.280
<v Speaker 1>which are now called the Columbine effect. One connection to

1:02:46.320 --> 1:02:48.600
<v Speaker 1>this episode is the fact that one of the shooters,

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Harris, was on a psychiatric drug called Louvox at

1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the time of the murders. The drug is an SSRI,

1:02:55.720 --> 1:03:01.120
<v Speaker 1>which stands for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, which was prescribed

1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:04.920
<v Speaker 1>which is used to prescribe obsessive compulsive disorder, and then

1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:08.520
<v Speaker 1>it says and associated depression. But when you look up louvox,

1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:13.720
<v Speaker 1>it's mostly prescribed for OCD. It's in the same pharmacological

1:03:13.760 --> 1:03:17.680
<v Speaker 1>category as prozac, zoloft, and pacsil. According to the Washington Post,

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<v Speaker 1>which by the way, I had to go on Reddit

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out a way to hop the paywall of

1:03:22.280 --> 1:03:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Washington Post and I literally was in Java script doing commands,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want you all to know how far I

1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:31.480
<v Speaker 1>went to get not pay for the Washington Post, but

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<v Speaker 1>to give you this information.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for your service.

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<v Speaker 1>They were You're welcome, but they were one of the

1:03:36.840 --> 1:03:39.840
<v Speaker 1>only places that had like a specific article about the

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<v Speaker 1>medication that this kid was on. So according to the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post, quote it's praised by health professionals as an

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<v Speaker 1>important tool in the treatment of an inherited disorder end quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to help curb recurring in irrational thoughts, impulses, images,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of the symptoms of OCD. The

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<v Speaker 1>company that made it was called Solve Pharmaceuticals. They said

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<v Speaker 1>that six point nine million patients of all ages worldwide

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<v Speaker 1>have used it, and some people in the article are

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<v Speaker 1>that they interview even call it a miracle drug. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though suicidal ideation was listed as a possible side effect,

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<v Speaker 1>private practitioners and the manufacturer that said that occurrences like

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<v Speaker 1>that are rare and likely to be caused by underlying depression,

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<v Speaker 1>and a report released by the US Agency for Healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>Policy and Research stated that there hadn't been enough research

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<v Speaker 1>on whether SSRIs are effective in treating depressed children and

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<v Speaker 1>adolescents and mildly depressed adults. Studies before Louvox came out

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<v Speaker 1>said that the drug triggered mania in one percent of cases,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was also then clarified that those were people

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<v Speaker 1>who actually had bipolar effective disorder, in which there are

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<v Speaker 1>swings between high highs and lows, you know, like agitated

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<v Speaker 1>moods and depressions. So that's I don't know, that's some

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<v Speaker 1>facts on louvox. There's no nothing conclusive really about whether

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<v Speaker 1>it affected the Columbine shooter. Some people apparently had issues

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get off the drug that would make thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>of suicide come up, and then as soon as they

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<v Speaker 1>got back on the drug, those thoughts would stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry L.

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<v Speaker 1>Russian, a University of North Carolina pediatrician who studies serotonin drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>told The Washington Posts that patients who stopped taking the

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<v Speaker 1>drugs typically experience withdrawals, including agitation and anxiety, but didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get into whether it was, you know, a suicidal ideation

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge part of the withdrawal. But there were

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<v Speaker 1>reports that Eric Harris, the Columbine shooter, had tried to

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<v Speaker 1>stop taking Louvox because the Marines had rejected him for

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<v Speaker 1>being on it, like the Marines had said, like, we can't,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be on like a psychotropic drug. But the

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<v Speaker 1>FDA has found no evidence that it's linked to violence,

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<v Speaker 1>and Louvox has increasingly been prescribed to adolescents, but critics

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<v Speaker 1>say that more trials and testing need to be done

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the side effects on that age group. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's another interesting connection is the case of there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuit was filed in nineteen ninety six called Franklin versus

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<v Speaker 1>Park Davis. So doctor David Franklin was a whistleblower who

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<v Speaker 1>blew the whistle on what he believed to be Park

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<v Speaker 1>Davis's illegal marketing practices in connection with sales of the

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<v Speaker 1>drug neurontin.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope I'm saying that right.

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<v Speaker 1>Neurontin, and which Park Davis, by the way, is now Pfizer,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, but it's Pfizer now. So Neuronton

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<v Speaker 1>was an FDA approved secondary course of treatment for epilepsy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's an epilepsy drug.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh oh, capitalism is the beating heart of America.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not making enough money as an epilepsy drug. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't have enough people with epilepsy or whatever. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>making enough money, so they're like, let's promote it for

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<v Speaker 1>additional indications, like for additional medical layeds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly. So the drug was not.

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<v Speaker 1>A few party that knew that I actually really am

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<v Speaker 1>I was just looking up what that was, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not illegal. It's not illegal to prescribe off label. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that. So the drug was not approved by

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<v Speaker 1>the FDA for any of these things, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>little to no evidence that it even helped these things.

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<v Speaker 1>But they started prescribing it for migraines, bipolar add they

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<v Speaker 1>ignored studies that claimed that said that it really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do much, and in the case of bipolar disorder, no

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<v Speaker 1>study has actually ever shown that it had a benefit

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<v Speaker 1>over the placebo. So like there's no like some people say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I might have helped a little bit with migraines or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but like nothing for the bipolar, which is you know

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<v Speaker 1>where I would say more spheres of depression and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>were coming in. So doctor Franklin was hired to conduct

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<v Speaker 1>marketing of the drug, and he found that this pharmaceutical

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<v Speaker 1>company was paying doctors for like illegal kickbacks for prescribing it,

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<v Speaker 1>including expensive meals like stays at luxury resorts cash. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we got this nice doctor in this episode who's getting

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<v Speaker 1>paid with drugs for his clinic, which you know obviously

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<v Speaker 1>makes you so unrealistic. Yeah, but this is like they're

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<v Speaker 1>just literally giving doctor. I mean, I worked at my

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<v Speaker 1>mom's office and pharmaceutical reps brought in lunch all the time, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're in, they're bringing you sandwiches. You're like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, I guess I love flow vent. Now they're

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<v Speaker 1>giving me, you know, like a nice rap sandwich. But

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<v Speaker 1>of course, doctors who have an oath, who've taken hippocratic

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<v Speaker 1>oath are not usually giving out prescriptions to shit because

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<v Speaker 1>they got free sandwiches or vacations.

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<v Speaker 3>But I guess some of these doctors were.

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<v Speaker 1>Park Davis had hired ad agencies and marketing firms to

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<v Speaker 1>write articles about, oh sorry, gabapentin is also the name

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<v Speaker 1>of this drug. So they had hired marketing firms and

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<v Speaker 1>ad agencies to write these articles about Wow, You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>love gabapentin, and then recruited physicians and paid them to

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<v Speaker 1>sign their names on the articles. Even though they were

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<v Speaker 1>ghost written by probably people that aren't even medical professionals.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, according to Franklin, a case report stated that

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<v Speaker 1>neuratonin had made a child's attention deficit order worse, and

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<v Speaker 1>his supervisors dismissed the report and that was a part

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<v Speaker 1>of his key decision to leave the Park Davis after

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<v Speaker 1>only working there for four months. And he actually said

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<v Speaker 1>that a supervisor told him, your career is going to

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<v Speaker 1>get fucked if you keep raising problems about this, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what prompted him to quit. And he filed this lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 1>and I, you know, a lot of this stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>like very hard.

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<v Speaker 3>To like a lot of this. When I was reading

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<v Speaker 3>these articles about this, I was like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the summary judgment was thrown out and

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<v Speaker 1>it was settled.

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<v Speaker 3>It was settled.

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<v Speaker 1>And how much he got four hundred and thirty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to resolve criminal and civil liability related to the

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<v Speaker 1>off label promotion of narontan.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 1>He got that or if that was, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was like they had they had violated the False

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<v Speaker 1>Claims Act. So there's a lot of like medical health

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<v Speaker 1>insurance mombo jumbo in this that I could don't really

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<v Speaker 1>sift through, but I think I gave you, like the

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<v Speaker 1>basic you know, the part of this that they drew

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<v Speaker 1>from was like the pharmaceutical companies acting shady and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make more money on medications.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, why can't it be enough, like

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<v Speaker 2>the greed, Like I just can't believe it's that crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know it's really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, as you like so ahead of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>like that is so fuck that, like kids could get

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<v Speaker 1>better with therapy, and they're just like, no, medications are

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<v Speaker 1>way easier than us paying like expensive therapists for years

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<v Speaker 1>on end, you know, like they have no.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no depths to their depravity. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well we don't have a guest for this one,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can just move on to recapping how depressing

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<v Speaker 1>this talking.

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<v Speaker 3>About or are we just dug about Luigi? All right?

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<v Speaker 3>So obviously, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean so timely. Can you fucking imagine we're doing making

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<v Speaker 2>manic that's crazy, I know, crazy in the scope of

1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the world of Luigi. Yeah, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>suppressing the shit out of the story and everyone thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm being crazy, and I'm just like, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like this is the case, Like this is such a

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<v Speaker 2>big case. The fact that it's not in the news

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<v Speaker 2>cycle is crazy. Why is like I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like, I'm wondering if it's like, Okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely could be like suppression on purpose. It's also like

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<v Speaker 1>is it one of those things where like we research

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<v Speaker 1>some of these murders that happened like at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time as Scott Peterson was happening, so they got eclipsed,

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<v Speaker 1>Like is it everything that's happening with the world is

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<v Speaker 1>just like eclipsing the Luigi stuff, Like I know, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're still talking about Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. It's it's like, no, there's room

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<v Speaker 1>for everything. This is like that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like specific purposeful suppression.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm scared they're gonna like do.

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<v Speaker 2>A gag order or something for the case, like that

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<v Speaker 2>would be terrible. Yeah, but we just need to move

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<v Speaker 2>forward to it. And the thing is like all the

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<v Speaker 2>like Luigi instagram's are just like I want to know

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<v Speaker 2>what maniacs like I do think I'm one of the

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<v Speaker 2>more normal of the Luigi.

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<v Speaker 3>Heads, and like the edits are creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>The edits are weird and it's like, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to see a Science Fare photos from seventeen. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is weird. I'm like, you guys are weird. Shit

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<v Speaker 2>stop you know, yeah, but maybe they're keeping quiet well,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm gonna just request her. The attorney is on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram as a private account, like, do you think Karen

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<v Speaker 2>will follow?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me follow her?

1:12:35.840 --> 1:12:39.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wish that they didn't change blue check marks.

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<v Speaker 3>It fucking pisses me off.

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<v Speaker 2>Are like I used to actually mean something so like

1:12:43.479 --> 1:12:45.599
<v Speaker 2>it would be make you credible, and now it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's like so fucking annoying. It's crazy.

1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think Instagram was gonna do it, but Zuckerberg's

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<v Speaker 1>doing everything Elon does now, so bye bye confirming.

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<v Speaker 3>Your identity asers.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing I would say about everything is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at the I'm at these things comics like I

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<v Speaker 2>posted this on my stories too, but like, what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to being punk rock?

1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:05.800
<v Speaker 3>What happened?

1:13:05.960 --> 1:13:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Really fucking saying something like I'm so sick of these

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<v Speaker 2>dudes going on stage towing the like making these like

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<v Speaker 2>both sides. There was a fucking comic that went on

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<v Speaker 2>stage and did abortion material. I was like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it is taking a life, which I'm not. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you fucking kidding me? I'm gonna confront and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, shouldn't be saying this shit on stage, like

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<v Speaker 2>our rights are being taken away. And what's crazy is

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I got into a fucking debate. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even believe it. This guy was like, well, why don't

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<v Speaker 2>we have Black History Months? Shouldn't exist? And this person's black,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like really hard to like or you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Yeah, but they're a troll. Like everyone

1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:41.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, that person's a troll, Like he just want

1:13:41.160 --> 1:13:43.760
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, and he goes, well, Morgan Freeman said,

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<v Speaker 2>why isn't there like a Jewish his stream month and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a black when he's like, I didn't realize that

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<v Speaker 2>was inferior to any of my friends, and then my

1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:51.160
<v Speaker 2>friends felt bad, and he's I'm like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>Black History Month is teaching black people they're inferior. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's the point is to teach that they were

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<v Speaker 2>treated very badly, like white people should understand the history.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's just history that is being suppressed and

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<v Speaker 2>I go, there isn't a Jewish History Month here because

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<v Speaker 2>Jews have not been like discriminated against hugely in.

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<v Speaker 3>Our society like in America.

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<v Speaker 2>In America, I'm like, it would be weird, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I didn't even think about that.

1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:14.560
<v Speaker 3>So I did feel good that. I was like, what

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<v Speaker 3>are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>But it is like if that's your experience as a

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<v Speaker 2>black person, like I it's just because you know about

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<v Speaker 2>my Special. I was like talking to George Sivus about

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<v Speaker 2>this and it was on their podcast.

1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:27.920
<v Speaker 3>But like I was like, you know, Netflix, as a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to call my Special dumb bitch and they're

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<v Speaker 2>like that actually slays and is so funny and it

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<v Speaker 2>would catch attention. I go, no, I know, but like

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<v Speaker 2>I can't call myself a dumb bitch in this world,

1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not fun anymore. Like if everything was fine,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fine, but I can't like go on and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh look, I'm a dumb bitch because that and he goes, yeah,

1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:46.240
<v Speaker 2>you can't be like ironic or silly anymore because things

1:14:46.280 --> 1:14:48.760
<v Speaker 2>are so tense, Like you can't really take back all

1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:52.040
<v Speaker 2>these words because they are so real right now, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like you have to fucking be above it, like you

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<v Speaker 2>have like flick these motherfuckers off, you know, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>there was a comic doing a joke about how the

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<v Speaker 2>people on January sixth are disgusting, like to just unleash

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<v Speaker 2>these disgusting people who murdered like employees and went into

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<v Speaker 2>a capitol and off stage a woman went up to

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<v Speaker 2>him and was like, fuck you, I uhould be ashamed,

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<v Speaker 2>like starting to fight with him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like things are serious and it's everywhere, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just can't believe you would go on stage and like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's old.

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<v Speaker 3>To fuck you.

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<v Speaker 2>There's Nazis, there's highlers, like fuck you. Comedy used to

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<v Speaker 2>be so fucking cool and like fuck the system, and

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<v Speaker 2>now it's just like these complicit, fucking losers, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>disgusted with the people I perfer around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, comedy used to be too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Richard Pryor fucking on crack sucking dick, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I miss.

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<v Speaker 3>We still have.

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<v Speaker 4>We have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this is fucked up and obviously very fucked

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, the woman's so relevant, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still relevant.

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<v Speaker 3>But also the woman in the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, how I know the woman in the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>She's on fucking Broadway right now, she's in Cult of Love.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh May wading you? Yes? I was like, why do

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<v Speaker 3>I know her face? Fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but you know I don't love her just

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<v Speaker 1>giving her kid a medication that a doctor hasn't talked

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<v Speaker 1>to her about, but this is it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Baloney, making her feel bad. Oh you didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>lose your job? Are you fucking crazy? So Gracey? Men

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<v Speaker 2>just leaving families. Men need to be fucking If you

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<v Speaker 2>leave your family and you do not financially or like

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<v Speaker 2>presently support your family, you should be in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Men should be in prison if you don't take

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<v Speaker 3>her or like yeah, or you work it off.

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<v Speaker 1>You work it off in a labor camp and the

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<v Speaker 1>money goes to your your wife and.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets just leave and she needs to take care

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<v Speaker 2>of this wild kid and and then I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I felt for her when she goes.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what could go wrong? Cries Thank God? Life

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<v Speaker 3>is so hard for so many people. Yeah. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>it still.

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<v Speaker 2>Is to not be able to afford medication for your

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<v Speaker 2>to like finally get therapy and try to help your kid,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't afford it.

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<v Speaker 3>The fuck is that? Let's get into what would Sister

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<v Speaker 3>peg Do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and the next week's episode and we recorded it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know we did. I have no recollection what this is,

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<v Speaker 3>but we did.

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