Speaker 1: Hey, Happy Hour listeners, I hope you enjoyed these throwback
Speaker 1: episodes of Happy Hour. We'll be back with new episodes
Speaker 1: very soon. What's up, fascination. Of course, we hope you're
Speaker 1: all staying safe, healthy, saying, I know you're probably a
Speaker 1: little stir crazy. I know I am, I know Becca is.
Speaker 1: Actually I'm oddly content right now, which is weird. So
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm gonna crack any moment. But
Speaker 1: whatever you're feeling right now, we are here to make
Speaker 1: you feel better because we have on the podcast today
Speaker 1: none other than Peter Weber. That's right. I feel like
Speaker 1: this has been an unusual season because usually you get
Speaker 1: your answers, you kind of know how things end, and
Speaker 1: you move on and you get ready for the next season.
Speaker 1: Well that hasn't been the case because we are in quarantine.
Speaker 1: There's not a current Bachelorette season filming right now. Things
Speaker 1: were kind of up in the air when it came
Speaker 1: to Peter's season. We've never seen an ending like this,
Speaker 1: so we were just kind of left in limbo. So
Speaker 1: none of us know much more than we're seeing out
Speaker 1: there today. So finally we'll get to see what's going
Speaker 1: on from Peter himself. Yeah, Rachel, I cannot wait. This
Speaker 1: is one of the interviews that I mean, obviously we
Speaker 1: have been waiting a while for because we did not
Speaker 1: get to speak to Peter after the finale unfortunately, and
Speaker 1: this is probably one of the most requested interviews we've
Speaker 1: had yet. I'd literally still to this day gid DMS
Speaker 1: being like, bring Peter on, bring Peter on. So today
Speaker 1: is that day. Now. I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: on a very selfish and personal level, I'm just dying
Speaker 1: to know what's going on, because, like you said, we
Speaker 1: kind of get little tidbits of info here and there
Speaker 1: of what maybe maybe what he's doing, where he is,
Speaker 1: who he's hanging out with, but it hasn't been confirmed
Speaker 1: by Peter himself yet, and so I can't wait to
Speaker 1: get him on. Obviously, we've spoken with Hannah Ann after
Speaker 1: the finale. We got hert take, but we need Peter's
Speaker 1: take too, because there's probably much more to the story
Speaker 1: and we're missing a lot, you know, and Peter, Like I,
Speaker 1: regardless of what people think about Peter and how his
Speaker 1: season ended, I still love him. I still want nothing
Speaker 1: but the best for him. So I really want to
Speaker 1: hear from him, because we have some major questions, and
Speaker 1: so I just think for the sake of everyone, we
Speaker 1: just have to get into it, bring him in. Because
Speaker 1: from the beginning, Becca, from the beginning, well, Rachel, we've
Speaker 1: joked all season, like we kept saying when it was
Speaker 1: going on, there was so much John when we're like,
Speaker 1: we just needed to get to the end. We just
Speaker 1: wanted to end and figure out what's going on, and
Speaker 1: like we never got anything because obviously the way everything
Speaker 1: panned out, he didn't end up with anyone as far
Speaker 1: as we know at this point. Who knows if things
Speaker 1: have changed since then. So I think I think, without
Speaker 1: further ado, we just have to get into it. We
Speaker 1: have to get started with Peter. So, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy our listeners, please give a warm welcome to
Speaker 1: our latest Bachelor, Peter Wepper. Peter, Hi, Peter, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: how's it going. I'm good, showing like a villain, you know, Peter.
Speaker 1: Where are you at right now? I'm in So, I'm
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I'm at Kelly's apartment right now, getting the
Speaker 1: good stuff right away. By the way, I got dustin,
Speaker 1: That says Hi. Dusty waves Hi waits, was Dustin Dustin?
Speaker 1: Dustin's met you, Rachel Peter? What was he supposed to
Speaker 1: be our one of our bachelor's for the live show?
Speaker 1: Were you supposed to be a bachelor for the live show? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. I don't even know. Yeah, we'll tell
Speaker 1: him to keep next You're in February reserved. I'll keep
Speaker 1: next February reserved because they're coming back to you, all right,
Speaker 1: says Okay, where's Kelly? Kelly's still asleeping? What time is it?
Speaker 1: What y'all do? Last night? We had a good night
Speaker 1: and sent some fun. We had like a dance party.
Speaker 1: Because have you seen like these DJs that have been
Speaker 1: doing these like live shows? DJ Nice? Have you watched his? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not his? No, we're watching Griffin and uh I think
Speaker 1: the guys are loud the child, but yeah, we're just
Speaker 1: didn't you want to be a DJ? Weren't you going
Speaker 1: to become a DJ? I would love to you. That's
Speaker 1: always been like a huge passion of mine. So really yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always just like known that I have it in me,
Speaker 1: like I have that whatever that is, like just pump
Speaker 1: up a crowd and like give what I feel to them.
Speaker 1: I just have to figure out a way to take
Speaker 1: it out. I got to learn what I'm doing, obviously,
Speaker 1: But um, I know Blake he's like he's doing. I've
Speaker 1: been talking to him a little bit, and uh, because
Speaker 1: I have so much free time, you know, I might
Speaker 1: as well do something else. So what would be your style?
Speaker 1: Like your your your type of music that you would do?
Speaker 1: Tropical house? So you know you ever heard of Kigo? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: So like his kind of music is like the music
Speaker 1: that talks to me and touches me the most. So
Speaker 1: like that exact vibe, like a lot of like piano
Speaker 1: like instrumentals. Um, but just like that good, feel good music.
Speaker 1: Did you know that there's like a legit DJ school? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did, Oh, okay, because because when I saw Blake
Speaker 1: at the Bachelor Live Tour, he was telling me He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to DJ school. I'm like, where the hell
Speaker 1: is a DJ school? I've never heard of it, but
Speaker 1: it sounds cool. It sounds like it'd be kind, I mean,
Speaker 1: not kind of a pretty fun school. No, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went to one in Denver, so I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: for one in La And all this stuff is said
Speaker 1: and done, But I got my got my laptop, got
Speaker 1: all the equipment. So, oh you're serious. I mean, why
Speaker 1: not pick up a passion in a hobby during this time?
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you off the bat, have you
Speaker 1: changed your stance on coronavirus? H are you talking about? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to ask you Peter like the one like
Speaker 1: TMZ thing. Yes, yeah, yeah, I can yeah, fully change
Speaker 1: my stance. That was before everything I did. I used
Speaker 1: to think that, Yeah, it was just kind of like
Speaker 1: an overblown thing, like unwarranted fear. Um, obviously it is not.
Speaker 1: I was one billion percent wrong, And yeah, I apologize
Speaker 1: for those comments. Yeah, we'll call this the Redemption podcast.
Speaker 1: You don't want to give you a chance to clear
Speaker 1: things up. I don't know what I was thinking when
Speaker 1: I said that. The guy called me off guard, but whatever, yeah, completely, Hey.
Speaker 1: I will say when I was still on the tour
Speaker 1: before everything got shut down and we had to be
Speaker 1: locked inside because I was on the tour with Ben,
Speaker 1: and Ben seemed overly paranoid at that point, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't go away, It's not going
Speaker 1: to be that bad. And then fast forward to a
Speaker 1: month later, I'm like, I am biting my tongue right now.
Speaker 1: It's sad. I get it. It's sad, but yeah, hopefully
Speaker 1: it's you know, kind of blows over soon. Who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're doing You're saying you're quarantining, so you're doing
Speaker 1: your part, right. I as much as people think I
Speaker 1: haven't been, I promise you guy's been quarantining in social
Speaker 1: distancing here in Chicago. So for all of the listeners
Speaker 1: right now, you can't see us. We are on zoom,
Speaker 1: so we're all looking at each other. But Peter is quarantining. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you miss at the top of this,
Speaker 1: but he is quarantining where and good old shytown Chicago
Speaker 1: with with with good old chop Chop Kelly and Dustin
Speaker 1: goods Chop Chop. That's a that's what that's the nickname
Speaker 1: I've given Kelly. That's like on the last on her
Speaker 1: last episode in Peru, She's like, Chop Chop, give me
Speaker 1: the road. And so now I just call her chop Chop. Oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: cute little nickname, a little pet name. So I was
Speaker 1: gonna hold off on the Kelly stuff, but I will
Speaker 1: ask you this, and I'm hoping by the time that
Speaker 1: we've were into this podcast that she wakes up. I
Speaker 1: really don't think she's asleep. I just think that she's hiding.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, Kelly, that's okay. I'm going to send
Speaker 1: a text Darren because because we've always been Kelly fans.
Speaker 1: So you know, you got a friend in us on
Speaker 1: this podcast. That's my sister in the law. Yeah, that's right, yep, exactly.
Speaker 1: So my question is we saw the TMZ photos come out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whether you guys were aware of that was going to
Speaker 1: happen or not, I don't know. You were in a
Speaker 1: pretty public place, so it's it wasn't shocking. I guess
Speaker 1: that somebody caught you know, you guys all hanging out, right,
Speaker 1: So I guess my question is when you decided to
Speaker 1: do it? Where y'all like fuck it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, We're just gonna go out, hang out. People
Speaker 1: are gonna talk regardless, let's go honestly. So, we had
Speaker 1: been cooped up in in Kelly's apartment for like quite
Speaker 1: like almost like a week before that ever came out
Speaker 1: those pictures, and then finally it was a gorgeous day
Speaker 1: in Chicago. They really dusted, and Kelly really wanted me
Speaker 1: to do the river walk, which is like this gorgeous
Speaker 1: thing to do here, and at first we're gonna do
Speaker 1: like a kind of hidden one closer to Kelly's apartment,
Speaker 1: but then like, now let's do the main one. So
Speaker 1: we ended up doing it, and honestly, like more a
Speaker 1: hat sack glasses, thought we'd kind of be good. Wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to like put it in people's faces at all.
Speaker 1: And that first picture I remember I literally were at
Speaker 1: like the one of the slips there on the lake
Speaker 1: and like I picked her up real quickly, like a
Speaker 1: little spinny thing, just for fun, and then taking dustins
Speaker 1: like well, someone just got a picture and we're like no,
Speaker 1: and then whatever, you know, Peter, people are always watching.
Speaker 1: You need to give a wig or something. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, seriously, I need to like working like a
Speaker 1: better disguise, but um, I mean listen at that point too,
Speaker 1: I don't think I know, people were like kind of
Speaker 1: upset with the whole social distancing thing and they just
Speaker 1: didn't know they didn't, you know, know the facts about
Speaker 1: what I had chosen do at that point. So I
Speaker 1: totally get their frustration with that but now that I
Speaker 1: can kind of clear it up, we were social distancing.
Speaker 1: It was just us And at that point that river
Speaker 1: walk was still open, like there was thousands of people
Speaker 1: on it. So that's the problem, Peter, That's why people
Speaker 1: were upset. There were all those people there. Well, that's
Speaker 1: allowed at that point that the order had been allowed
Speaker 1: to be allowed to go walk and get exercise and
Speaker 1: get fresh air. And then the next day they closed it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because of you guys. Honestly, you brought so
Speaker 1: much attention to the riverwalk they close it down. So
Speaker 1: inquiring minds what to know? How did you end up
Speaker 1: quarantining at Kelly's take us back? Okay? Yeah? Um, so
Speaker 1: I keep saying, just with Kelly, Night's been like very
Speaker 1: serendipitous with just everything's kind of happened from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: How we met before the show. Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: if everyone knows, but while this show is airing, we
Speaker 1: ran We ran in each other again in Miami one
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl. That was crazy, just a brief
Speaker 1: brief you know, hello, how are you doing by? And
Speaker 1: then fast forward now to a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: through some mutual friends who ran inched each other. A
Speaker 1: third time out in LA got her number, started communicating.
Speaker 1: She's always been very supportive of me, and you know,
Speaker 1: I've tried my best to be supportive of her. Some
Speaker 1: stuff ended up happening with her family, some slight serious
Speaker 1: stuff like health stuff. So she was kind of like
Speaker 1: in a just a sad place, a rough place, and
Speaker 1: she was by herself, a roommates ward in Chicago. Her
Speaker 1: family was in Florida, you know, quarantine, and I decided
Speaker 1: to fly out spent some time with her, try to
Speaker 1: take her mind off things, and you know that's what
Speaker 1: I did. Um. I also it actually ended up just
Speaker 1: working out because you know, obviously I still litle at
Speaker 1: home and I fly still I have to do for
Speaker 1: the essential work. And I was like it better to
Speaker 1: just like make this my home base and go back
Speaker 1: home and risk giving something to my parents, you know,
Speaker 1: who are in their sixties, and they just made sense
Speaker 1: on all fronts, and um, you know, I could be
Speaker 1: there for her, and you know, hopefully I put a
Speaker 1: smile on her face and you know, distractor a little bit.
Speaker 1: So that was nicely put without being too specific that
Speaker 1: I believe you know, I believe you. I want to
Speaker 1: dig because I want to know personally, wouldn't the third
Speaker 1: time that you say, there's muchild friends who kind of
Speaker 1: hooked you guys up to bump into each other. Was that?
Speaker 1: Did that happen to be during the women tell all? No,
Speaker 1: this was this was way after all of that. She's
Speaker 1: I guess her her brothers are really good friends with
Speaker 1: Katie Agro and so I guess through that connection she
Speaker 1: was saying with them, I'm really good friends with Christian Haggarty.
Speaker 1: And I was out with Dylan and Devon one night
Speaker 1: and then I Dylan had been texting Christian, so I
Speaker 1: started texting Christian and then we're like, yeah, come out
Speaker 1: and meet with meet us. And you know, Kelly was like, this,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, so serendipitous, like you said, I'll say, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was in Miami for the Super Bowl and I
Speaker 1: didn't run into either one of y'all, So I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe they were hiding at that point. Peter.
Speaker 1: I'm excited that we have you and that you're finally
Speaker 1: clearing it up because I cannot begin to tell you
Speaker 1: the amount of DMS that I personally receive asking about
Speaker 1: you and if you and Kelly are together. And I've
Speaker 1: said this on the podcast before with Rachel, Like people
Speaker 1: think just because we're part of this Bachelor world that
Speaker 1: we were on the show, like we somehow magically know
Speaker 1: everything about everyone, And that's not the case. So I
Speaker 1: don't know that we care to know. You don't even
Speaker 1: care to know. Yeah, I just there's too many of
Speaker 1: us now, like there's no way, and so I just
Speaker 1: don't even respond to people that ask me about you guys.
Speaker 1: So everyone listening, you've heard it from the horse's mouth
Speaker 1: here Peter. Now, but but listen, we aren't listen. We
Speaker 1: aren't dating right now. I can set that straight. Um.
Speaker 1: I me personally obviously, have I've learned anything, it's to
Speaker 1: take things extremely slow and not rush into anything. I
Speaker 1: just was engaged. I just was finishing up another relationship,
Speaker 1: figuring out what was going to happen with that. So, UM,
Speaker 1: you know we're there for lateater, I gotta ask you
Speaker 1: a question. I'm sorry, I believe you that you're not dating.
Speaker 1: Believe you. Um. I also like to point out that
Speaker 1: you were using Kelly's Kelly I'm at her apartment. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Nothing gets past me. I never was, I
Speaker 1: was I was talking to Caitlin the other day doing
Speaker 1: a podcast, and she like didn't want to say it.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, is he trying to hide this or something?
Speaker 1: And then she's like, so whose computer are you on.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's Kelly. So she's like, uh, okay,
Speaker 1: I was gonna see. I don't think you're trying to
Speaker 1: hide anything, which personally, I think is kind of refreshing.
Speaker 1: It's I think you've learned the hard way. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of leads that have had a difficult time, people
Speaker 1: have been hard on you, like, let's just call it
Speaker 1: what it is, and they're gonna be hard on you.
Speaker 1: Some people are gonna like what you do, some people aren't.
Speaker 1: So you just kind of have to live your life
Speaker 1: and cancel out all the other noise. And it seems
Speaker 1: like you're doing them. But back to what you said.
Speaker 1: You said you're taking it slow and you're not dating yet.
Speaker 1: You literally called where you are home right now. You said,
Speaker 1: I'm just making this my home base. That kind of
Speaker 1: sounds fast to see each other every day. Were quarantining
Speaker 1: how many bedrooms does Kelly have? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Three bedrooms? Don't even try to tell me that you
Speaker 1: and Dustin are in your own rooms. We have our
Speaker 1: own room, and we got Sophie here too, Dustin's dogs.
Speaker 1: That we're having a party, it's just I mean, like,
Speaker 1: obviously it sounds like so much fun, you know, to
Speaker 1: have a group of people, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: are alone right now, But it also doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: you're taking a slow I'm just I'm just saying, so
Speaker 1: the perfect way to get to know somebody is like this.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I will use the defense that
Speaker 1: we are quarantining together so we have no choice, but
Speaker 1: it's done all of our time together, and I just
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that, very grateful because you get along
Speaker 1: still well, I just yeah, I look up there and
Speaker 1: just have so much respect for herself. So here's my
Speaker 1: segue into moving on. Do you feel like at this point,
Speaker 1: because how many weeks have you been quarantined in Chicago? Um,
Speaker 1: I guess and now like a little over two and
Speaker 1: a half maybe, so do you feel like you know
Speaker 1: Kelly better than you knew Hannah Anna Madison at this point? Yes? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: seg go ahead, I know you've spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time with her. Yea, I know more about my husband
Speaker 1: now and I haven't. I can see if the couples
Speaker 1: can make it through this quarantine when you are locked
Speaker 1: in together twenty four seven, you can make it through
Speaker 1: anything after this. It's very true. Yeah, No, I've definitely
Speaker 1: gotten to know her very well, everything that kind of
Speaker 1: makes her tick and just kind of like annoys or
Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's it's yeah, and you're deal. There,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Becca. Well, Peter, we have so many questions
Speaker 1: for you. I mean, we have a list here and
Speaker 1: I was up late last night writing and what I
Speaker 1: want to make sure to ask you because I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one who wants answers to everything.
Speaker 1: I want to start, though, first by just kind of
Speaker 1: giving you the floor, because I mean, it's been a
Speaker 1: while now since you're finale, we haven't really heard too
Speaker 1: much from you. You know, you didn't do a press tour.
Speaker 1: Once everything went down, you kind of just i mean
Speaker 1: not went off the grid, but you know, secluded away
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and so first and foremost, I want to
Speaker 1: know why, why now, why this timing? Do you feel
Speaker 1: like it's right to finally come out and chat with
Speaker 1: all of us and give your side? And then I
Speaker 1: really want you to just take it away, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you have so much on your chest that you
Speaker 1: want to start off by saying and kind of clear
Speaker 1: the air on some things. So we'll save our deep, dark,
Speaker 1: tough questions for a little bit later. Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I just needed time, you know, after the whole
Speaker 1: show ended. Obviously, you know a lot had gone on there. Um,
Speaker 1: you know I obviously you know, yeah, I should don
Speaker 1: the press to apologize for not really just being a
Speaker 1: headspace to do that, but I just wasn't, um, and
Speaker 1: I know Madison wasn't as well, And that was just
Speaker 1: a tough couple of days for us. Right after. UM,
Speaker 1: that was just kind of like the last thing on
Speaker 1: my mind. And UM, obviously there was a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that had happened between Madison and I right after
Speaker 1: that show and you know, into the next two days
Speaker 1: and then after that, you know, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: essentially just be there for my family. UM. I wanted
Speaker 1: us to just you know, come together and um, support
Speaker 1: each other. We were going through a lot. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, comments, all critics, everyone just
Speaker 1: it was going It was kind of crazy, it was insane,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I guess just press really was the last
Speaker 1: thing on my mind. Um, you know, fast forward now
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, and I really like it. I
Speaker 1: know it probably sounds crazy, like I'm in a really
Speaker 1: really good place right now and I feel just really good.
Speaker 1: And um, I'm really happy to that, you know that
Speaker 1: I do feel that way, because it wasn't that way
Speaker 1: for a while. Um, after everything kind of ended and
Speaker 1: then just you know, having to see you so much
Speaker 1: stuff and so much hate. That stuff's hard and that
Speaker 1: stuff like just really took a while to kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, I knew I thought I had tough skin,
Speaker 1: and this, you know, really tested that and now I
Speaker 1: have even tougher skin. And um yeah, I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: finally reaching out and like you know, saying like listen,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to you know kind of talk. And it's
Speaker 1: just there was so much stuff out there that just
Speaker 1: people were making all these claims and assumptions on just
Speaker 1: like you know, guesses there were no facts, like no
Speaker 1: factual stuff. And so I'm all right, it's probably time
Speaker 1: for me to just clear some stuff up. And and
Speaker 1: so that's why I felt comfortable doing it. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a rolling, crazy crazy experience. But well, and
Speaker 1: I will say this, I mean for people that come
Speaker 1: from the show, it's it's hard to kind of fathom
Speaker 1: like what we go through. I think a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like any contestant who comes from the show kind of
Speaker 1: gets subjectified and people think that they know everything about us,
Speaker 1: and they have their opinions and their call moments. And
Speaker 1: it's hard enough coming out of the show, especially as
Speaker 1: a lead, and having all of that attention fixated on you,
Speaker 1: and you have it coming at all ends. You hear
Speaker 1: great things, new hear terrible things. I can't imagine not
Speaker 1: only that, but then having that come towards your family
Speaker 1: members too, and the people you love the most, Like
Speaker 1: I like, props to you, and I hope that you
Speaker 1: and your family you know, have taken some time to
Speaker 1: talk and really sort things out and figure that out,
Speaker 1: because if anyone was coming from my mom like how
Speaker 1: people were coming from barb Oh, I would have lost it.
Speaker 1: Like there's no way I would have been able to
Speaker 1: handle that and I would not have stayed cool, calm
Speaker 1: and collected by any means. So props to you, I
Speaker 1: hope I actually want to know, so you know, we
Speaker 1: saw your parents take on after the final rows and
Speaker 1: kind of where they stood in regards to your relationship
Speaker 1: with Madison, where are things now with you and especially
Speaker 1: with your mom. We are in a really good place
Speaker 1: as well right now, and I it's something that like
Speaker 1: our relationship is just so close, like I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys have with your mom and I just you know,
Speaker 1: I know she's just my number one fan, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's only wanted what's best for me. That whole thing
Speaker 1: obviously just came from a place of love. Could the
Speaker 1: delivery of everything have been, you know, so different? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know she's the first one to admit that, but
Speaker 1: you know, from going down to that stage to or
Speaker 1: having that stuff happen on stage and then you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't go home look for a couple because I
Speaker 1: was still in the hotel being kept there for a
Speaker 1: couple of days after. But when I did go home,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just more of a and the
Speaker 1: way my family dynamic kind of works is like we
Speaker 1: are so close, and yeah, I did it kind of
Speaker 1: seem like a little much and a little dramatic when
Speaker 1: it was you know, what transpired, but that's just like
Speaker 1: that's also my family and like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: a lot of families to be honest in everyday life
Speaker 1: just behind closed doors, you know, where people aren't going
Speaker 1: to agree all the time. Family members are going to
Speaker 1: just have their own opinions and be passionate about it
Speaker 1: and to kind of reflecting on it. It It almost like
Speaker 1: just made me even more proud of my mom that,
Speaker 1: you know, she you know, obviously is very outspoken and
Speaker 1: we'll speak her mind. And you know, being on live TV,
Speaker 1: being in that pressure situation and having all this pressure
Speaker 1: to kind of conform to like us maybe a possibly
Speaker 1: a certain narrative. The fact that she didn't and doing
Speaker 1: that out of like her love for me is such
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. Um, you know, delivery aside, Like that's
Speaker 1: something nice, respect the hell out of my mom for
Speaker 1: and something I wish I could be a little bit
Speaker 1: more like her in regards to just like putting your
Speaker 1: foot down and just like you know, speaking you know,
Speaker 1: you you're too, heart So we're doing really good. Um,
Speaker 1: we have that relationship where you know, we come in
Speaker 1: and we give each other a hug and nothing is
Speaker 1: gonna nothing is going to get in the way of
Speaker 1: that and it's all good. We'll always have each other's back.
Speaker 1: You know, we're family, and you know, those are the
Speaker 1: closest people to me and very lucky to have that
Speaker 1: kind of relationship, you know. I I'm glad that you
Speaker 1: guys are doing okay. I never had a doubt it
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be fine. I think things just needed to
Speaker 1: cool down. I think that you know, it's not to me.
Speaker 1: It was a cultural thing, which I understood. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's just in general. Who watches the show.
Speaker 1: They don't understand things. I agree, And I think, like
Speaker 1: you said, your mom agrees the delivery wasn't right, but
Speaker 1: I understood the passion and the intention behind it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I've reached out to your mom. I talked
Speaker 1: to your mom through DHIM, so I definitely understand it.
Speaker 1: I too have a question, Yeah, from what your mom
Speaker 1: said at the finale, do you still think that mother
Speaker 1: knows best? And and you know, um, we can go
Speaker 1: into it you guys want, But you know, the next
Speaker 1: two days with Madison and I, you know, we had
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: at the end of that second day, we essentially we're
Speaker 1: just proving my mom right and you know, I've always
Speaker 1: heard that, Yeah, Mom's no best and you know the
Speaker 1: reason that SAME's out there and I think they do.
Speaker 1: I do have one main question. I mean, as you know,
Speaker 1: we did get Hannah AND's take during the finale, the
Speaker 1: one question I have, and so I told Hannah, Hannah
Speaker 1: and this too. Like watching that back, obviously I can
Speaker 1: empathize with her and relate to her because I went
Speaker 1: through something so similar. I want to know and this
Speaker 1: is one thing that and I told her this. I
Speaker 1: don't think when I was broken up with on TV
Speaker 1: and went through it all like I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: process it with the cameras there. I was so blindsided
Speaker 1: and just I really blacked out, like I legit, did
Speaker 1: not know what to say. And in her case, it
Speaker 1: seemed like she was much more vocal to you. She
Speaker 1: had a lot more to say to you as I
Speaker 1: just hid in the bathroom and cried. But my question
Speaker 1: for you, and this is something that I had wanted
Speaker 1: to ask Ari during my or his after the final roles,
Speaker 1: and I just never did. When was the moment that
Speaker 1: it changed for you? Because during the proposal and that
Speaker 1: day and we even't talked to Neil Lane seeing you,
Speaker 1: you looked so happy, so excited, you were kissing the ring.
Speaker 1: You just seemed like complete one eighty from what we
Speaker 1: saw go down. And so when was that one moment
Speaker 1: for you where things clinton You're like, this relationship isn't
Speaker 1: going to work out and I have to now end
Speaker 1: things with my fiance. It was, man, that was just
Speaker 1: like that was the absolutely, like I keep saying, that
Speaker 1: is the hardest week of my life. And I remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: that interaction I had, you know with Neil Lane before
Speaker 1: that had happened. I remember, you know that their production
Speaker 1: was all setting up to film, and that was in
Speaker 1: my hotel room and I was like outside in the
Speaker 1: living room area, and before that happened, like I like
Speaker 1: I made an excuse to go into my room and
Speaker 1: just get away from everyone for a second and just
Speaker 1: like close the door and just like really sat down
Speaker 1: and was like because I was just struggling like no
Speaker 1: other see regards like what had happened with Madison and
Speaker 1: seeing if I could actually do this like the heartbreak
Speaker 1: that I was feeling. Could I actually pull myself together?
Speaker 1: Is it something that I truly felt like I should
Speaker 1: be doing? And I remember sitting there thinking that was
Speaker 1: like my last chance to maybe go a different direction.
Speaker 1: And I just sat there probably twenty minutes just in
Speaker 1: my own head, like really, like what do I do?
Speaker 1: What do I do? Just so confused. And I'm the
Speaker 1: reason I bring that up is just like this stuff
Speaker 1: like I'll just be so honest, like I'm not obviously
Speaker 1: proud of it, but these questions, you know, began probably
Speaker 1: even before I even propose, and I know, looking back
Speaker 1: on it now, that should have been like a clear
Speaker 1: sign to me. But I did know that I love
Speaker 1: Hannah hann I did know that I felt heartbreak in
Speaker 1: the past and then I could get over it. I
Speaker 1: would get over it. And did I want to possibly
Speaker 1: let this temporary pain that, yeah, I can't have time
Speaker 1: to process this right now like a normal relationship and
Speaker 1: grieve it. Do I want to let this possibly take
Speaker 1: away something or prevent me from getting into something so
Speaker 1: beautiful down the road for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: I made the decision to go forward, and I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of convinced myself that I was ready
Speaker 1: to propose to Hannahan. And again, I'm not proud of that,
Speaker 1: but that's the truth. And I kept just holding on
Speaker 1: to the love that I had for her and just
Speaker 1: what the potential and then I guess after the show's over, now,
Speaker 1: you know, we would do happy couples. And you know
Speaker 1: I got to see her, you know, three or four times,
Speaker 1: and during those visits, you know, I had I love
Speaker 1: like I love Hannah, and I truly I'm such a
Speaker 1: big fan of Hannahan and I always will be. UM.
Speaker 1: We've always had a great time together. I just think that,
Speaker 1: slowly but sure, that I just noticed that maybe we
Speaker 1: weren't as compatible as I thought we were. And I
Speaker 1: say that in regards possibly just like the two of
Speaker 1: us challenging each other in a relationship, I just didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily feel it as much as I thought
Speaker 1: I was going to UM in those next couple of meetings,
Speaker 1: and listen, a little bit of it too was unresolved
Speaker 1: feelings for you know, for Madison, and that was the
Speaker 1: stuff that I struggled with like no other. So as
Speaker 1: crazy of an answer, you know, obviously it started even
Speaker 1: before UM. And that's not easy to admit, but that's
Speaker 1: the truth. And so I lied. Now I have questions.
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to rage. Well, I I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you talk. Do you feel that you were
Speaker 1: pressured into proposing to Hannah An ask, yeah, I I
Speaker 1: think it was just my own self impost pressure. I
Speaker 1: really do think that, Like I, yeah, I did. I
Speaker 1: didn't need to come out of this. Was that no,
Speaker 1: go ahead? Sorry? I didn't like need to go into
Speaker 1: the show and like come out of engage and like
Speaker 1: if I don't like it really wasn't like that, But
Speaker 1: I don't know at that at the end there, I
Speaker 1: just I saw such like a I really did. I
Speaker 1: saw all the potential in the world for an amazing relationship.
Speaker 1: I had never ever felt, ever felt the love from
Speaker 1: someone like Hannah and had showed me ever in my
Speaker 1: entire life, and that was one of the biggest things
Speaker 1: that I was looking for coming into this process, and
Speaker 1: she showered that on me like no other similarly to
Speaker 1: how I've felt like I've given that to women in
Speaker 1: the past, it haven't you know, haven't reciprocated to me.
Speaker 1: I finally found that, and I was like, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't lose this girl. Like this girl is like
Speaker 1: she's just amazing in every way, She's perfect in every way.
Speaker 1: It almost seems like too good to be true. But
Speaker 1: that's just who Hannah Anne is. And so I put
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on myself. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit from the show. Yeah sure I can, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can admit that, and um, yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 1: a tough tough week for me. So Peter, that last week,
Speaker 1: especially that last day, then do you think, like, did
Speaker 1: it ever cross your mind to just say, you know,
Speaker 1: I still love Hannah Anne, even though I am heartbroken
Speaker 1: from Madison leaving. But instead of committing and you know,
Speaker 1: getting down on one knee and giving her that ring,
Speaker 1: did it ever cross your mind to just say, like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's stay together, Let's see where this goes. Let's not
Speaker 1: put the pressure of an engagement on this relationship, but
Speaker 1: I still want to see where are real relationship can go.
Speaker 1: It did. It totally did. And my thought process and
Speaker 1: that just was I felt a little bit of it,
Speaker 1: you know, and Grant looking back hand and probably would have,
Speaker 1: you know, wish that I would have done that, But
Speaker 1: in the moment, I was thinking, you know, it might
Speaker 1: just be I was trying to put myself in hand
Speaker 1: and shoes and like if someone said that to me,
Speaker 1: like it would obviously pull me back and take a
Speaker 1: couple of steps back now thinking how serious you actually
Speaker 1: were in the relationship. And you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: this show too, it's like it's a beautiful, beautiful moment
Speaker 1: that you two can share together and remember for the
Speaker 1: rest of your lives. And while yes, I can admit
Speaker 1: that I was heartbroken and I was dealing with a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff at that time, again I kept looking
Speaker 1: to what could be with us, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: to possibly take a beautiful moment that we could look
Speaker 1: back on and I'd be like so happy that I
Speaker 1: did do it and we have it documented now, you know,
Speaker 1: for for the rest of our lives. Like that was
Speaker 1: a big reason why I wanted to do the show, was,
Speaker 1: you know, to hopefully have my story documented that I
Speaker 1: could pass down, you know, my kids and my grandkids
Speaker 1: and they could all see it. And again that's probably
Speaker 1: the best thinking, but that's what I was going through
Speaker 1: my head. So when we had Hannah Ann on the show,
Speaker 1: she even like she gave her side and her how
Speaker 1: it affected her and everything. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that she said that really stood out to us was
Speaker 1: that when your season started, that's when you started to
Speaker 1: question things. Maybe you were already questioning them internally, but
Speaker 1: you started to say things to her that made her
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, maybe we aren't where I thought we were.
Speaker 1: So did making the season back because like first first
Speaker 1: maybe first episode you had your date with Madison. I
Speaker 1: think they structure was different. So watching that first date,
Speaker 1: is that when you started to say, oh, I need
Speaker 1: to actually start telling her how I feel. Is that
Speaker 1: when it started for you? Because then, and this is
Speaker 1: the follow up, the second episode was with Hannah Brown,
Speaker 1: and then she made that comment on stage, Oh, you
Speaker 1: felt like you need a closure with Hannah Brown, right,
Speaker 1: So I obviously was, you know, dealing with it internally,
Speaker 1: um in regards to just my feelings still from Madison
Speaker 1: at that point, and I hadn't really vocalized that to her. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I when when I saw the first episode, it made
Speaker 1: it tough for me, It really didn't. Obviously, it was
Speaker 1: like a really great memory for me. It was a
Speaker 1: great first, you know, one on one date with Madison.
Speaker 1: And that was again the first time that I I opened
Speaker 1: up to Hannah and about kind of where where I
Speaker 1: was struggling. And I struggled with that so much because
Speaker 1: that's the last thing I want to be putting on her.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, She's like, you know, she's my person now,
Speaker 1: and you should feel comfortable leaning on that person and
Speaker 1: sharing anything with them and you know, venting to them.
Speaker 1: But it's like that's so inappropriate and so weird and
Speaker 1: not what she wants to hear, especially them being the
Speaker 1: final two in the end. So I like, I was like,
Speaker 1: how do I go about this the right way? Um?
Speaker 1: But then I just continued to open up and really
Speaker 1: let her know, like where I was struggling and why
Speaker 1: I felt what I felt. I just felt like I
Speaker 1: needed to tell her that and she needed to know.
Speaker 1: And M And then in regards to like you know,
Speaker 1: with Hannah Brown, M listen on stage when she made
Speaker 1: those comments, but and she she brought up Yeah, we
Speaker 1: brought up the closure with Hannah Brown. True. What that
Speaker 1: was in reference to though, was so we had watched
Speaker 1: the first two episodes, I think, like in December we
Speaker 1: had gone like the copy before obviously it all aired,
Speaker 1: and we were watching it at our first happy Couple weekend,
Speaker 1: and I guess Hannah Brown had been given the copy too,
Speaker 1: says she watched it. And then Hannah Brown had reached
Speaker 1: out to me on Instagram and direct message me and
Speaker 1: said that, hey, like I had just seen the first
Speaker 1: episode that was really rough, tough to watch, like, you know, like,
Speaker 1: how are you doing with all that? Like I don't
Speaker 1: know how I feel about it? And so then when
Speaker 1: I got that, that's when I went to Hannah Ann
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, listen, Hannah Brown had reached
Speaker 1: out to me. I want to see if you're comfortable
Speaker 1: with me like continuing to talk and possibly give her closure,
Speaker 1: give me closure and all this because of how everything ended,
Speaker 1: would you be okay with that? And she, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously was a little like uneasy about it, understandably, and
Speaker 1: but finally I was like, listen as long just don't
Speaker 1: see you in person, but yeah, you can you guys
Speaker 1: can talk about it and and you know, handle all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So is it okay? Thanks? And then you know,
Speaker 1: Hannah and I, Hannah Brown and I just continue to
Speaker 1: talk through things. And she had been getting some like
Speaker 1: negative reactions from the you know, from the first episode
Speaker 1: in the second one when I actually started airing too,
Speaker 1: and so we're just being supportive of each other. I've
Speaker 1: always been, you know, that way for Hannah Brown as
Speaker 1: she's been for me. And that's what that was. In
Speaker 1: regards to what kind of closure in that scenario were
Speaker 1: you looking for? Because it seems like the way that
Speaker 1: you guys left it on the show when you know
Speaker 1: she was in your dressing room and who has had
Speaker 1: that moment, it seems like it ended there. So what
Speaker 1: kind of closure for me as a viewer? Like what
Speaker 1: was missing? Like what did you both still need? I guess, well,
Speaker 1: I know you can't speak for Hannah Brown, but what
Speaker 1: did you need in that instance? Right? Ums? And when
Speaker 1: I when I like, I guess when I say closure, um,
Speaker 1: I just like I had brought that word up to
Speaker 1: Hannah and just because Hannah Brown was expressing to me
Speaker 1: that she didn't feel good about watching the episode, So
Speaker 1: like for me, I was, you know, I was, I
Speaker 1: was moved on and I really was, and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the show, I kept thinking,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I kept thinking, they're gonna bring Hanah
Speaker 1: Brown at the finale and they were going to somehow sure,
Speaker 1: why not possibly see you know what I would do?
Speaker 1: But I really was like I had had the closure
Speaker 1: that I needed. Was it tough to watch absolutely, but
Speaker 1: closure wasn't one hundred. It wasn't necessarily for me. Um.
Speaker 1: But back to that first episode and that whole date. Honestly, Um,
Speaker 1: we just ran out of time and we had to
Speaker 1: go to a night portion of the date later on,
Speaker 1: and a conversation had to get wrapped up. It wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily in our doing. We were told we had to,
Speaker 1: we had to finish it, and and so kind of
Speaker 1: left just like it was a little bit weird and
Speaker 1: odd because here we are, and we're obviously two people
Speaker 1: that have had strong feelings for each other in the past,
Speaker 1: and we're reminiscing on that and not knowing what to do.
Speaker 1: I told people like in that it didn't get aired,
Speaker 1: but I told her, like, I'll leave the show right now.
Speaker 1: I got to the Bachelor if like, if there's something
Speaker 1: you wanted pursue, and um, you know, you go from
Speaker 1: that and you have that serious, serious conversation and then
Speaker 1: it literally just was like, all right, guys, it, time's up.
Speaker 1: We have to we have to wrap this. And so
Speaker 1: we gave each other a hug and um and just
Speaker 1: like wish each other well, and then I left and
Speaker 1: that's how it ended. It was like not the most
Speaker 1: ideal way to end something like that. Yeah, well in
Speaker 1: that on the show too, And what we saw is
Speaker 1: that basically when Hannah Hannah b said that, you know,
Speaker 1: I single out the end of this talk to her.
Speaker 1: So since then, I mean, obviously we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on with her and Tyler and whatnot, but I mean,
Speaker 1: does that offer soul stand ord? Have you even heard
Speaker 1: from her to this day? We've talked since I did
Speaker 1: get her number from when she started DM and me
Speaker 1: on Instagram, and you know, we've just been very very
Speaker 1: supportive of each other. I saw her at Dylan and
Speaker 1: Hannah's engagement party and just really just really cordial and um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no love lost there at all. And um,
Speaker 1: she's just been someone that I've been able to lean
Speaker 1: on a lot, and she's like literally always been there
Speaker 1: for me. Does any advice I needed? Just event like,
Speaker 1: she's been someone that I've been able to go to
Speaker 1: and is a really safe space and very grateful for
Speaker 1: her doing that for me. But there's nothing there between
Speaker 1: the two of you. No, nothing, nothing romantically as you know,
Speaker 1: pursuing each other. Um no, great, So Madison, Wait are
Speaker 1: you done with Hannah Anne. Yes, so yeah, we can
Speaker 1: I think of rocking and rolling. Well, oh wait, I
Speaker 1: guess I will ask you. Have you spoken to Hannah
Speaker 1: and since the finale? Um? Not since the finale? So
Speaker 1: just when? When? When the breakup day happened? Um? You know,
Speaker 1: she obviously left and then later that day it was
Speaker 1: you know, I just sent her a long text was
Speaker 1: kind of obviously just apologizing again, just saying essentially that
Speaker 1: I'll always me and my family will always be there
Speaker 1: for her no matter what. And I sent it's a
Speaker 1: long text to the you know, her family as well.
Speaker 1: We had a group text change going then heard back
Speaker 1: from anyone. I called Hnnahn once later that day. Obviously
Speaker 1: she didn't you know, she didn't pick her up, she
Speaker 1: didn't really want to talk to me, and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so then I saw her Afar. I talked with her
Speaker 1: dad a couple of times. He had called me on
Speaker 1: two occasions leading up to Afar, just kind of trying
Speaker 1: to ask about, um, where my head was at and
Speaker 1: what possibly might happen, what he could expect, just as
Speaker 1: you know, protection protecting his daughter, which I understood, um,
Speaker 1: and I tried to give him as much as I
Speaker 1: could but obviously contray. Actually I wasn't necessary allowed to
Speaker 1: do so much, so that was that was tough for me. Um.
Speaker 1: But I haven't talked to Hannah and after Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I mean I guess I get that and rightfully so
Speaker 1: like her new brand now too is you know, she
Speaker 1: stood up to you and you know, found her voice
Speaker 1: and you know, moved on from that. So I think
Speaker 1: it will you know, be backtracking exactly, you know, that's no,
Speaker 1: I believe me. I want her to just thrive and
Speaker 1: just absolutely have the most amazing, beautiful life ever find
Speaker 1: her person, and I truly like, I love that girl.
Speaker 1: I always will and no matter how she feels about me,
Speaker 1: m I'll always always want the best herd Well is
Speaker 1: Kelly friends with Hannah Anne and Madison. She Yeah, she is,
Speaker 1: Um was she and maybe she's not now seeing the
Speaker 1: new circumstances. No, Kelly and Hannah Anna talked and they're
Speaker 1: they're they're very yeah, Corgil, it's been very friendly. Um,
Speaker 1: you know she's uh, Hannah Anne's been you know, I
Speaker 1: guess understanding of everything from what I've heard, and I
Speaker 1: know they have talked. I don't know about with Madison,
Speaker 1: but I do know that Hannah, Anne and Kelly are
Speaker 1: good good. I like to hear that. I want to know.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we don't know what's going on with
Speaker 1: filming future seasons because of this whole coronavirus going on.
Speaker 1: But like, if Hannah Anne or Madison or any of
Speaker 1: the other girls like Kelly or I'm sorry Kelsey for
Speaker 1: that matter, where to go on paradise or potentially become
Speaker 1: a Bouchhart in the future, would that be weird for you?
Speaker 1: Or are you at the point where you do truly
Speaker 1: wish them the best and you're just like you know
Speaker 1: what you do, I promise, like I really am at
Speaker 1: that point. I still obviously, like I know how I
Speaker 1: felt about them just a few weeks ago, a few
Speaker 1: months ago, And I say, I've said that before, like
Speaker 1: I was, I asked that question from Chris Hannah Brown
Speaker 1: season Like it's the same for them. I will always
Speaker 1: have love in my heart for them, Like they are
Speaker 1: two very important people to me that through two months
Speaker 1: we had an amazing, amazing experience together in relationship and um,
Speaker 1: but I trust me, like I would that be weird
Speaker 1: obviously seeing them probably with someone else, Yeah, I think so,
Speaker 1: But I really, I just want them to be happy
Speaker 1: and UM just want the best. I think it would
Speaker 1: be weird if it depending on who it was, right Like,
Speaker 1: if you saw them with another Batter Nation person, it
Speaker 1: would be like whoa. If it was yeah, it's one
Speaker 1: of the guys I think from like Hannah Brown season,
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit stranger. But I can't
Speaker 1: you know right then, you'd be pot kettle. Look look
Speaker 1: where you are right now. You know exactly exactly, And
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be hypocrite all um, Okay, Madison,
Speaker 1: So where to even start with this? I will preface
Speaker 1: this by saying I was so pro Matt, you and
Speaker 1: Madison together until you all had the second date and
Speaker 1: she spoke about her faith. Totally fine, I'm a Christian
Speaker 1: as well. And then I guess it was the next
Speaker 1: week where then she told you she gave you the ultimatum,
Speaker 1: call it which you want, it's what it was, but
Speaker 1: didn't but then didn't tell you that she was saving
Speaker 1: herself for marriage. Okay, So that's when things started to
Speaker 1: change to me, because things don't make sense, and I think,
Speaker 1: and my hope is to get some clarity here because
Speaker 1: what you guys say, and by that I mean you
Speaker 1: and Madison based on what she does or you do
Speaker 1: doesn't add up and doesn't make like they don't match up.
Speaker 1: Your words don't match up with your actions. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where I get confused. So then I have
Speaker 1: to deduce, like logically, try to figure out, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: then this is what makes sense based on actions, right,
Speaker 1: Actions speak louder than words. So I'm trying, maybe Becca,
Speaker 1: you go in because I'm trying to figure out where
Speaker 1: I want to start with this with this line of
Speaker 1: questioning to try to understand your relationship with Madison. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think this is a good point. You use
Speaker 1: the word ultimatum Rachel and Peter. When she threw that
Speaker 1: out there, you said, you know, I agree to disagree
Speaker 1: with you. We haven't had a conversation with you, and
Speaker 1: we haven't had one with Madison yet. I think when
Speaker 1: that episode aired, I believe that week we probably had
Speaker 1: talked to Chris Harrison or something, and he obviously gave
Speaker 1: his take. But it's not you or Madison. And so
Speaker 1: you felt like it wasn't an ultimatum. But what makes
Speaker 1: you say that? Just because if I were to say that,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I would just be a hypocrite
Speaker 1: because the very first night of the entire you know,
Speaker 1: the show, that's opening night in the Mansion. In my
Speaker 1: opening toast to all the women, I asked them to please,
Speaker 1: whatever is on your heart, always feel comfortable sharing that
Speaker 1: with me. Don't hold back, whether it's good, bad, ugly.
Speaker 1: You think it's going to hurt my feelings, piss me off,
Speaker 1: or make me happy, or you're feeling it for me. Please,
Speaker 1: I want this to be an open connection where you
Speaker 1: can feel comfortable. And so yeah, it was later, way
Speaker 1: later on in the whole journey there, but all that
Speaker 1: Madison was doing, she wasn't telling me you have to
Speaker 1: do this or this. She simply had something on her
Speaker 1: heart that she felt I should know. We were in
Speaker 1: a relationship, and in my opinion, that's completely acceptable for
Speaker 1: someone to express how they're feeling. And if I were
Speaker 1: to do something, it would make it really difficult for
Speaker 1: them to continue and they'd possibly have to reevaluate. She
Speaker 1: was never making a you have to do this or that.
Speaker 1: She said, and this is how I'm going to feel.
Speaker 1: I feel like you should know this. It's important because
Speaker 1: we are dating. If you do this then this, right,
Speaker 1: that's an ultimatum. You can call it whatever you want.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that she can't express it to you,
Speaker 1: like to express how she's feeling, you know. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to argue whether it is an ultimatum or
Speaker 1: it isn't. My issue more so is did you feel
Speaker 1: a certain way knowing that you know you and Madison
Speaker 1: have this relationship. You constantly defended her with your family,
Speaker 1: saying you don't know Madison like I do. So obviously,
Speaker 1: you guys shared a lot that we didn't get to see,
Speaker 1: and we didn't really see the development of your relationship.
Speaker 1: So did it not bother you that she could be
Speaker 1: so upfront about everything? Except that? No, that did. And
Speaker 1: I asked her, you know, why she didn't express that
Speaker 1: stuff to me earlier on why she waited so long?
Speaker 1: And I do think that it would have probably made
Speaker 1: a difference in possing my actions moving forward. I can't
Speaker 1: say for sure, because I truly wanted to stay so
Speaker 1: present and I'm intentional with each of the other two
Speaker 1: relationships going forward and that week, but yeah, I question that,
Speaker 1: and her response to me was and I can I
Speaker 1: can understand it is the timing of our relationship started
Speaker 1: off with the first date. We were the very first
Speaker 1: one on one. Maybe not something you bring up on
Speaker 1: the very first date when you okay, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: going to happen there group dates during the daytime, it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. You're having a fun time doing something in
Speaker 1: the night portions if you do see the person, because
Speaker 1: it's not always guaranteed it's a quick maybe ten minutes,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily something super super allowable to have like
Speaker 1: a really deep important conversation. I agree as there. The
Speaker 1: next date wasn't the one on one, was in Peru
Speaker 1: and we had an amazing part of the day and
Speaker 1: then the night portion. She did open up a lot
Speaker 1: to me about stuff and her faith, and she could
Speaker 1: have brought it up there. I could have seen that
Speaker 1: was the one opportunity for her to do it if
Speaker 1: she wanted to. I think I maybe And she told
Speaker 1: me if she's like, I wasn't expecting you to kind
Speaker 1: of like have a conversation and go way. When I
Speaker 1: expressed her that I was falling in love with her,
Speaker 1: I think I might might have thrown her off a
Speaker 1: little bit in regards what she fully wanted to get out.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not, and then it just to be honest,
Speaker 1: it's like you look for the times where it could
Speaker 1: have been really appropriate because we don't get time off
Speaker 1: camera for her to have told me it. It was
Speaker 1: kind of difficult just how the timing worked out. Do
Speaker 1: you think religion is a difficult conversation to discuss with
Speaker 1: someone when you don't know what their belief is? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I do too. And when she had that second date
Speaker 1: with you, I thought, Wow, good for her. You know,
Speaker 1: she's like, this is what I believe, this is my faith,
Speaker 1: this is what I want out of a husband, And
Speaker 1: to me, it was the golden opportunity to express all
Speaker 1: of it. And that's why I'm very curious as to
Speaker 1: what you thought about that, because I thought, well, why
Speaker 1: would you hold that back? You have admitted that it
Speaker 1: probably would have affected your decision moving forward. You don't
Speaker 1: know for sure, because hindsight we just don't know, but
Speaker 1: it would have made you kind of go, huh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's I wasn't expecting that, especially since you were
Speaker 1: you said you wanted the women to be open from
Speaker 1: night one, and you gave that speech to the women
Speaker 1: that first night you also were very honest with them.
Speaker 1: You're a very open person, intimate, believe in having that
Speaker 1: intimacy with your significant other, and you don't you don't
Speaker 1: hold back from that. I mean, you're in front of
Speaker 1: your family. So I think my question was when that
Speaker 1: when she said when she didn't tell you? But then
Speaker 1: as from the audience, we knew at that point that
Speaker 1: she was saving herself for marriage. I just didn't think
Speaker 1: that it was fair to go on this season with
Speaker 1: a man who has expressed is sexual, has expressed that
Speaker 1: intimacy is important to him. So it's not like you're
Speaker 1: going on Sean Lowe season, right, He's going on your season. Okay,
Speaker 1: Peter sex at all in Bill four times, blah bla
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. It's just saying that's how
Speaker 1: you were, that's how you were build So America, I
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, So she comes on your season knowing
Speaker 1: that she wants to save yourself, knowing that you're this person.
Speaker 1: Did you ever question yourself? Why would you come on
Speaker 1: my season knowing that I'm this way, only to possibly
Speaker 1: eliminate yourself for that reason? Definitely question. It brought up
Speaker 1: a lot of questions to her in kind of reference
Speaker 1: to that, and I think to kind of start with,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember asking her, like, so, why did
Speaker 1: you because I've heard a lot of people saying, you know,
Speaker 1: you you most likely knew Peter and like what he
Speaker 1: kind of was about and the person he was and
Speaker 1: what he was comfortable with, what he wasn't comfortable with doing.
Speaker 1: Why did you feel like that would be the right
Speaker 1: person to go on the Bachelor for it? And you
Speaker 1: know she came back and she wasn't that just it
Speaker 1: is annoying to her to hear because she's never been
Speaker 1: someone that wanted to judge, Like I truly don't feel
Speaker 1: like Madison is a judgmental person, like at all. She
Speaker 1: can be very you know, prideful, and that's like a
Speaker 1: great quality too, but she it's not someone that I
Speaker 1: think is is a huge judger. And um, you know
Speaker 1: she said she did listen, I didn't want to just
Speaker 1: because of what your past was, Like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to judge you at all and that hold anything against you,
Speaker 1: Like I if this was going to work for us,
Speaker 1: let's take from that point on moving forward of of
Speaker 1: you know, any possible judgment if you wanted to use
Speaker 1: she had. You know, she actually had been someone that
Speaker 1: had been I guess nominated by like a family friend
Speaker 1: to come on the show, and it wasn't necessarily her
Speaker 1: at first, and she didn't know she wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: and she thought about it a lot and kind of
Speaker 1: let the process run and then until she had to
Speaker 1: actually make a decision if this is something she wanted
Speaker 1: to do, and then she was. You know, from what
Speaker 1: she told me, it was something that she just decided,
Speaker 1: like why not. You know this this could be a
Speaker 1: you know, an amazing opportunity to go find someone. Why
Speaker 1: not will work? I have no idea, but why not?
Speaker 1: I think maybe a little bit of it, if I
Speaker 1: had to guess, was her in the beginning thinking I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is my person, but like, this
Speaker 1: could be a really cool opportunity. I'll be fair. But
Speaker 1: I do know that that quickly changed with her and
Speaker 1: she quickly realized, no, this is someone that I really
Speaker 1: actually am feeling something for. And again, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's really anything wrong with that, because people that you
Speaker 1: want to say, oh, I came on just for you,
Speaker 1: and I knew I was in love with you from
Speaker 1: the beginning. I don't know if I buy so her
Speaker 1: honesty with that is something I appreciated. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to like defend her too much in all this.
Speaker 1: I'm just very curious. We haven't had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: talk to her, So I'm just curious as to what
Speaker 1: your thoughts were about that, because I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1: You have no idea at the beginning how it's going
Speaker 1: to be, and then you slowly start to see yourself fall,
Speaker 1: which is usually in most cases, and but then my
Speaker 1: thought is still, okay, So why couldn't you be fully
Speaker 1: open about what is so important to you and what
Speaker 1: you so value. If you value it like that, why
Speaker 1: are you waiting until you know the thirteenth hour right
Speaker 1: to finally say something? I wish? I get confused. I
Speaker 1: do wish you would have I and I think I
Speaker 1: think maybe the fear might have been she would have
Speaker 1: gone home, and she didn't want to go home for
Speaker 1: whatever reason that may be. That's it's, oh my god,
Speaker 1: if I tell him this, maybe I'll go home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's totally fair. Um. I she wouldn't have gone home,
Speaker 1: but I could totally see her in that moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: having those thoughts. Do you think and this is something
Speaker 1: that we've talked about obviously without you and trying to
Speaker 1: say like the what ifs, So say you get you
Speaker 1: got to that fantasy suite a week. Obviously, that week
Speaker 1: in itself was very different for your season because this
Speaker 1: was the one time all of the girls were still
Speaker 1: living together under the same roof during that very weird
Speaker 1: intimate week. Had it gone differently, and I know you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have a say in the dates and who
Speaker 1: goes win, but had Medicine gone first, had you spent
Speaker 1: that first overnight with her, maybe just talking, maybe just
Speaker 1: getting to know one another, and went on after that
Speaker 1: with the other two women, do you think anything would
Speaker 1: have panned out differently? Do you think she still would
Speaker 1: have had that moment where she potentially was like, look,
Speaker 1: I can't do this, I have to remove myself. Or
Speaker 1: do you think that would not have taken place had
Speaker 1: she gone first? Yeah, No, it would It wouldn't or
Speaker 1: it would have changed things that she would have gone first,
Speaker 1: and I would have known that obviously, we would have
Speaker 1: probably most likely I discussed that in the fantasy suite.
Speaker 1: Even look now, knowing what I know, if I would
Speaker 1: have had a fantasy suite with her. You know, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't have spent the night with each other. We would
Speaker 1: have she would have been comfortable with talking with me,
Speaker 1: you know, for a couple of hours. But that's something
Speaker 1: also that you know she had mentioned me she is
Speaker 1: saving for marriage. Is just that kind of time just
Speaker 1: spent with you know, someone overnight, even with nothing physically happening,
Speaker 1: something I can totally respect. But yeah, if I, if
Speaker 1: I would have had her first, I would have a
Speaker 1: little bit more knowledge about everything. And again, the hardest
Speaker 1: part for me was I always tried my best to
Speaker 1: be so intentional with each relationship and just get lost
Speaker 1: in that relationship. That's what I did from the day
Speaker 1: one till the very end. That's how I felt I
Speaker 1: could actually make this work for me. And but yeah,
Speaker 1: if you asked that question, yeah I think it would
Speaker 1: have been different. But if so, if that were the case,
Speaker 1: then and you know, you had Medicine's fantasy sweet night first,
Speaker 1: move on to the next two girls. I mean, because
Speaker 1: you yourself admitted when she asked you that night, you know, like,
Speaker 1: have you been intimate with these two other women? And
Speaker 1: you and I will say, I think you handled that situation, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. Like, kudos to you for how you approached it,
Speaker 1: because that's a really, really tough situation had like would
Speaker 1: would you have gone in and still been intimate with
Speaker 1: those girls because of you know, it's it's an important
Speaker 1: part to relationships, as you've said yourself, And so I
Speaker 1: don't under like I can't imagine you not having the
Speaker 1: same reaction in a moment and evening with the other
Speaker 1: two girls. Like for me, it's like, if you want
Speaker 1: it's going to be intentional. If you're going to be
Speaker 1: intentional and put yourself in every single relationship right, well,
Speaker 1: it's inevitable. And it's like you want to exhaust every
Speaker 1: relationship till you get to the end if that's where
Speaker 1: it needs, if that's what you need to do to
Speaker 1: get there, to figure out each relationship and what is
Speaker 1: truly best for you at the end of this, you
Speaker 1: probably would have still had to do the same things.
Speaker 1: And so in my mind then it makes it tough
Speaker 1: to see like had she gone first, yes, maybe you
Speaker 1: would have gone into the next two nights and the
Speaker 1: next two dates with the other two women knowing how
Speaker 1: she would have felt. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like things still probably would have taken place to I think,
Speaker 1: like allow for her to still have that moment of
Speaker 1: being like, maybe I do need to remove myself. No,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, I can't say for sure
Speaker 1: what I would have done. I guess I'll take that back.
Speaker 1: I do. I believe it possibly could have changed things. Definitely, Listen,
Speaker 1: would have given it a lot more gravity if I
Speaker 1: would have known that stuff before. And listen, Peter, would
Speaker 1: you have pulled a Colton and just ended the season
Speaker 1: and beent like I'm all in with this one girl. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that, but I just again, it
Speaker 1: would have just given it a lot more gravity the
Speaker 1: whole situation. And but then what you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: that's what I said as well, Like while I was,
Speaker 1: you know, on this show, like I wanted to be intentional.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get lost in that relationship and explore
Speaker 1: everything I needed to. I've always felt, and I still feel,
Speaker 1: like intimacy is a huge important part of relationship. I
Speaker 1: have different views obviously than I see in regards to
Speaker 1: that and what I'm saving it for not saving it for.
Speaker 1: And that's totally fine that we have those different views.
Speaker 1: But for me, I guess, like you sayah, hindsight, twine, twine,
Speaker 1: We'll never know because I'll never be put in that
Speaker 1: situation again. She says that you're not compatible. She talks
Speaker 1: about you guys not be compatible. There's just too many differences.
Speaker 1: You just have two different lifestyles, right. Whether she realized
Speaker 1: that with you, with talking to your family, that was
Speaker 1: the conclusion that she came to, and so she felt
Speaker 1: it was best to self eliminate. I actually agreed with
Speaker 1: that decision. So then we see what happens move forward.
Speaker 1: You engaged to Hannah Anne, you break up with Hannah Anne.
Speaker 1: Then the moment you break up with Hannah Anne, what
Speaker 1: is your thought? Is your thought? I can go pursue
Speaker 1: Madison or you did you reach out to her? Tell
Speaker 1: the truth, because I've seen these rumors that apparently y'all
Speaker 1: have mutual friends and y'all were hanging out. So go ahead, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we So we do have a mutual friend that she
Speaker 1: had met on the first date. So one of my
Speaker 1: close friends from high school. She had met her on
Speaker 1: that first date of my parents dylarnual ceremony, and they
Speaker 1: had stayed close and connected. We would talk, you know,
Speaker 1: to that mutual friend. I guess both of us obviously
Speaker 1: on our own, and you know she did. My friend
Speaker 1: did a good job of respecting each other's privacy and
Speaker 1: not like she wouldn't tell me anything that Madison was
Speaker 1: saying like she wouldn't. He was really respecting that. That's
Speaker 1: why I knew I could obviously trust her to do
Speaker 1: the same. Um did I have like when the relationship
Speaker 1: ended it with Hannah and and I have thoughts about
Speaker 1: possibly reaching out. I did, but I just feel like
Speaker 1: that that wasn't my place to do it. She had
Speaker 1: left me, I did not leave her, and if anything
Speaker 1: like that was ever going to happen, it was like
Speaker 1: I just didn't see how it'd be right for me
Speaker 1: to go reach out her, like she'd just said no
Speaker 1: to me once, and that's why I didn't. So prior
Speaker 1: to breaking up with Hannah, Anne, you you yourself had
Speaker 1: no contact with Madison up until that point, correct, And
Speaker 1: then afterwards then I guess I'm confused. And so we
Speaker 1: see Chris Harrison go to Madison bring Madison back to you,
Speaker 1: and you didn't expect to see her. So did you
Speaker 1: have a conversation with Chris to be like, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: go get her. Did you know any of this was
Speaker 1: going down? I knew none of that was going down.
Speaker 1: The only thing I knew about was one of the
Speaker 1: one of my producers, had just mentioned to me, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you see some pictures Madison was like a film crew
Speaker 1: right now. I guess they went to like in Auburn,
Speaker 1: in her hometown, and they couldn't tell me what it
Speaker 1: was about. And that's kind of like they just wanted
Speaker 1: to give me heads up, Hey you might see some
Speaker 1: pictures like don't like freak out. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: but did you think she was going to be bachelorette?
Speaker 1: Did she think it? No? Did you think that? I
Speaker 1: definitely thought there was a chance for that, And I
Speaker 1: guess that's where did I think possibly something could be
Speaker 1: going on in regards to like me, I did, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know for sure. So that's why when she
Speaker 1: did surprise me, I obviously was very shocked and I
Speaker 1: expect to see her there. I was. I was told
Speaker 1: I was gonna talk to Chris that dad, and so
Speaker 1: like they just had me doing some b roll looking
Speaker 1: around and and then I hear the heels come in
Speaker 1: and like that. But and then that's my Saul Madison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that interaction was weird. I'll just be honest, y'all, didn't
Speaker 1: I knew you were caught off guard. I could tell
Speaker 1: you were surprised. Yeah, but she knew she was coming
Speaker 1: to see you, right, and it was just off like
Speaker 1: she didn't seem that excited. I mean, she we had
Speaker 1: just seen her say that she still loves you, right,
Speaker 1: obviously you still loved her. Didn't express it then, but
Speaker 1: we learned it. I just and you, being the person
Speaker 1: that you are, just just very passionate, y'all just seem like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we are. It just didn't seem it was kind
Speaker 1: of underwhelming. M Yeah, what what what was that? I agree?
Speaker 1: And because I even I think even to on stage
Speaker 1: at Afar people, I've heard comments like that. Just the
Speaker 1: chemistry didn't really seem there at all. Oh yeah, it
Speaker 1: was not. Okay, it wasn't you're you're right, You're totally right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was just nerves it was
Speaker 1: it was just being you know, uncomfortable. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was that you guys bring up a
Speaker 1: really valid point. Yeah, it seemed a little odd. I agree.
Speaker 1: Do you think it had something to do with and
Speaker 1: and Rachel and I think talked about this on the
Speaker 1: same podcast that we had Hannah and on. So basically
Speaker 1: I think my like, as a viewer, I felt like
Speaker 1: I was lacking in that entire ending scenario because basically
Speaker 1: Madison had removed herself because she felt like, you guys
Speaker 1: weren't compatible. Your lifestyles didn't maybe line up, and she
Speaker 1: just couldn't see it working in the long run. So
Speaker 1: she then removes herself at the end, only to then
Speaker 1: come back after talking with Chris, and you know, she
Speaker 1: told Chris like, I love Peter, who knows where this
Speaker 1: could go? Let's see. So she then comes to surprise
Speaker 1: you in LA. But really, like what was going through
Speaker 1: my mind that entire time was that, like nothing's changed
Speaker 1: up until that point. Like guess maybe she still loves
Speaker 1: you know, has those feelings, but if ultimately she felt
Speaker 1: like the lifestyles weren't going to be compatible, like that's
Speaker 1: still the case, Like nothing is any different besides like
Speaker 1: her saying like, oh, Peter ended his engagement with Hannah Anne.
Speaker 1: So I feel like if I were to be you
Speaker 1: or her, and this is just me being me and
Speaker 1: how I would react. I would like I probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gone out to La because I would have still
Speaker 1: been like, Okay, yeah, you can love somebody, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, so relationships just don't work
Speaker 1: out because you aren't compatible. And so for me watching it,
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on? Because she was
Speaker 1: very like adamant about one thing and that thing is
Speaker 1: still present, but now she's doing something to try and
Speaker 1: see if it could maybe work. It just it didn't
Speaker 1: line up, and maybe that's what was causing the tension
Speaker 1: and why it seemed off. And before you answer to
Speaker 1: piggyback on what Becca's saying, is she eliminates herself because
Speaker 1: you had been intimate during the same week with another woman,
Speaker 1: and then you propose to a woman you obviously are
Speaker 1: intimate with her. You've commit possibly spending the rest of
Speaker 1: your life with this person, which is even more than
Speaker 1: just you know, being intimate with women during a fantasy week.
Speaker 1: And she can come back after that, but not come
Speaker 1: back but not deal with what she dealt with when
Speaker 1: the season was going on. Yeah, those are two good points,
Speaker 1: I think real quick. On the second one, I think
Speaker 1: that probably was a reason that it seemed very comfortable
Speaker 1: from her. Obviously for me, I was probably picking up
Speaker 1: on that body language and just the vibe. But I
Speaker 1: do know that, like, you know, stuff that didn't make it,
Speaker 1: that didn't air what we had more of a conversation
Speaker 1: than aired. You know, she did feel you know, like
Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortable in regards to me, just it
Speaker 1: was tough for her to take the fact that I
Speaker 1: had you been engaged. That was hard for her. A
Speaker 1: swell and obviously coming out and making an effort to
Speaker 1: come and post to see if there's still something here
Speaker 1: with me was uncomfortable for her because she didn't want
Speaker 1: to be stepping on Hannah Ann's toes. And I remember
Speaker 1: her being like very thoughtful of that and kept like
Speaker 1: just wanting to make sure that she if we were
Speaker 1: going to do this, it'd be like done the right way.
Speaker 1: So I think I get it. Like it it seems
Speaker 1: a little odd. Why could she be not okay with
Speaker 1: Fantasy Suit Week, but coming after, you know, an engagement
Speaker 1: just ended. I definitely think she was uncomfortable about that.
Speaker 1: But was she did you ask her that question? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And she told me that, Like she straight up told me,
Speaker 1: like in our conversation that she just she didn't know
Speaker 1: the best way to go about this. She had obviously
Speaker 1: when she had gone back home, she had started really
Speaker 1: processing everything that had just happened, and you know, she
Speaker 1: realized that her feelings for me weren't going away. She
Speaker 1: really struggled that for a while, and kind of to
Speaker 1: what you were saying, Becca, Yeah, ultimately, listen, did our
Speaker 1: differences and lack of compatibility be the reason that we
Speaker 1: stop things? Yes, But she admitted to me that she thought,
Speaker 1: like her exact words were, and obviously like I'm very
Speaker 1: different than you know, possibly her dad or whatnot, but
Speaker 1: and all the respect in the world for her dad,
Speaker 1: but she told me, she's like, I kept thinking that
Speaker 1: I wanted someone just like my dad, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of how like I just grew up and people that
Speaker 1: I've dated. And then after reflecting and everything in the
Speaker 1: months that ensued, she said that she realized that she
Speaker 1: doesn't need anyone like her dad because she's just like
Speaker 1: her dad. And the fact that I am, you know,
Speaker 1: different in a lot of ways actually were qualities that
Speaker 1: she realized why she felt for me. And you know,
Speaker 1: she admitted that, m And so that's I think why,
Speaker 1: you know, she elected to kind of like restart this
Speaker 1: and give this, you know, hopefully another chance with us again. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: when we really just had an honest, honest conversation with
Speaker 1: each other the two days after Afar, and it was
Speaker 1: just me and her, and we said, listen, let's completely
Speaker 1: remove our heart, our feelings from this conversation and only
Speaker 1: speak logically about if this is possible, can this work?
Speaker 1: And it was it was no, And yeah, go ahead, Peter,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, But like I mean, I just I
Speaker 1: think that what you saw there was was was two
Speaker 1: people that obviously had strong feelings for each other, and yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a reason issue why we ended, but weren't
Speaker 1: really ready to completely give up on those feelings. And again,
Speaker 1: from what she realized, like you know, she said she
Speaker 1: had dated a lot of other guys that were different
Speaker 1: from me, that were like what she thought she wanted,
Speaker 1: they weren't working out for a certain reason, and so
Speaker 1: this is something that she realized, you know, before she
Speaker 1: came out. Yeah, I mean, it gets it makes sense
Speaker 1: to me. It's just what doesn't make sense is Okay,
Speaker 1: So y'all have that talk, Glad. That was one of
Speaker 1: my questions. So glad to know after we saw you
Speaker 1: guys meet for the first time since the breakup, you
Speaker 1: guys had a full out conversation and everything. That's great.
Speaker 1: So I would imagine that you continue to talk from
Speaker 1: then up until the finale, which is kind of why
Speaker 1: the message you kept giving them, like BECA and I
Speaker 1: and other outlets is we don't know how this is
Speaker 1: going to end. We don't know how this is going
Speaker 1: to end. So I'm curious as to what was the
Speaker 1: game plan coming into the finale, Like what was it
Speaker 1: supposed to be? How were you guys supposed to because
Speaker 1: I think the most shocking thing is two days later,
Speaker 1: y'all are done. It's like, well, what the hell was
Speaker 1: all that for? You stood up to your family, you know,
Speaker 1: you you profess your love for each other and how difficult,
Speaker 1: you know what's going to be, and you're gonna work
Speaker 1: at it. Only for two days later you guys ended,
Speaker 1: which is why I think a lot of people thought
Speaker 1: it was staged. I'll say that, and it did not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got that, I've heard that, but it was not stage.
Speaker 1: I can promise you guys that we we didn't see
Speaker 1: each other until this on Stage Life finale, we did talk. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we faced time a lot, and we just had a
Speaker 1: lot of those you know talks that we needed to
Speaker 1: have that I wish you would have had way sooner
Speaker 1: than we could have had in the Fantasy suite, you know,
Speaker 1: with time off camera, you know, it's kind of crazy,
Speaker 1: but really the main the first time that her and
Speaker 1: I ever spent time alone off camera was when after
Speaker 1: the show ended, and that was just like crazy for
Speaker 1: like such a serious relationship for that to have been
Speaker 1: the first time. But we really didn't know what we
Speaker 1: were going to do, and we knew that, like obviously
Speaker 1: there were still feelings there, but going into the finale,
Speaker 1: we really didn't know what we're gonna do. And I
Speaker 1: don't like, looking back on it, I'm confused as why
Speaker 1: we didn't, like I didn't see each other before it
Speaker 1: was an option and like I I wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: and you know, I remember her same stuff like well
Speaker 1: maybe we should just like make this like really authentic
Speaker 1: on stage and like not like have that be the
Speaker 1: first time and I saw I saw some of that
Speaker 1: like d and um, but I remember like good before
Speaker 1: I listen, I remember there too, before I was like,
Speaker 1: I think I need to see her. I need to
Speaker 1: see her. And at that time, oh yeah, pater for somebody,
Speaker 1: I becka back me up on this. When you love
Speaker 1: somebody and you have those happy couple weekends or you
Speaker 1: haven't seen anybody, you are itching there is like you
Speaker 1: are dying to see that person inside and the and
Speaker 1: I get you saying I wanted to see her. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see her, and to hear that she was like,
Speaker 1: maybe we should wait because it's more authentic on stage.
Speaker 1: Are you putting on a show or are you trying
Speaker 1: to get to know each other. That's where I have
Speaker 1: the conflict. And you guys had already had so much
Speaker 1: lost time and there was so much time that need
Speaker 1: to be made up, I think, to make to really
Speaker 1: solidified the relationship. And so if I was the two
Speaker 1: of you, I would have like, from the moment she
Speaker 1: had flown out to La to try to rekindle things
Speaker 1: with you, that entire time, I would have been like, look,
Speaker 1: we need to be together. We need to see if
Speaker 1: we can make this work. We need to make up
Speaker 1: for all of the last time there needed, like I think,
Speaker 1: for a relationship and for like you want to be
Speaker 1: with someone. As Rachel said, you want to spend those
Speaker 1: epy couple moments together. Um, and so to me, like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have reacted that same way I would. I
Speaker 1: would not. I would have been so terrified to get
Speaker 1: on stage and have there be so many unknowns like
Speaker 1: I would have won. That's why it was awkward. I
Speaker 1: would not have you by my side, Peter, to really
Speaker 1: back each other up, to support one another, to feel
Speaker 1: super solid in that. And so I mean, and if
Speaker 1: you had the opportunity to do it, shit, you should have.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't It wasn't all her. I like I
Speaker 1: agreed to it too, Like I it wasn't just her
Speaker 1: all this happened. I just think the common thing theme
Speaker 1: that a lot of people saw is it looked like
Speaker 1: you were giving one hundred percent and one hundred percent
Speaker 1: wasn't being given back to you. That's just kind of
Speaker 1: how it comes off to an audience. So I'm very
Speaker 1: curious as we know how your family felt about Madison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw it all play out. I don't really want
Speaker 1: to get in all that, but I have to ask
Speaker 1: why did your family feel a certain way about Madison?
Speaker 1: And I mean, like, not just a feeling like it was.
Speaker 1: It was like a steadfast thing and it went from father, mother, brother,
Speaker 1: you know, let your mom tell it, friends as well.
Speaker 1: So why were there feelings so strong against Madison. I
Speaker 1: think all of that stuff really did start in Australia
Speaker 1: when they when they were out there and it was
Speaker 1: like the family visits and the you know, Hannah Ann
Speaker 1: had gone first and that went. She just knocked it
Speaker 1: out of the park. My family fell in love with
Speaker 1: her immediately, obviously I knew why, and which just was
Speaker 1: such a great day. And the second day comes in
Speaker 1: Madison and just boom is granted, this is all my
Speaker 1: doing that got her in this headspace, and I can
Speaker 1: I can take that responsibility. But she was not a
Speaker 1: good headspace at all. And like the talks about you know,
Speaker 1: being outside the house for three hours waiting, having my
Speaker 1: parents wait was one hundred percent try that was that
Speaker 1: was the case, um. And I was essentially trying to
Speaker 1: like convince her why I felt like we needed it,
Speaker 1: like at least put this stuff behind us and talked
Speaker 1: to my family. You know, they had just flown halfway
Speaker 1: around the world. If we go in and if I
Speaker 1: go in and say, listen, Madison just can't talk right now,
Speaker 1: Like that's just not going to be a good look.
Speaker 1: So she didn't want to talk to your family. She didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't feel like she was in the right headspace
Speaker 1: to be able to go do that, okay, And so I,
Speaker 1: you know, I understood why she was still on the
Speaker 1: way she did. I knew we had to work on
Speaker 1: our own stuff, but that's just the way the show
Speaker 1: goes and the schedule, and like that was the one
Speaker 1: day we had allocated to go spend time with my family,
Speaker 1: and so I did my best to try to convince
Speaker 1: her why, you know, she finally, you know, realized, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, she was gonna do it for me and um,
Speaker 1: and then we went inside and obviously just off it
Speaker 1: was off to a bad start, you know, we my
Speaker 1: family obviously was you know, obviously annoyed. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone would be like waiting three hours just doing nothing
Speaker 1: to have that conversation. It just got off to a
Speaker 1: bad start. Just immediately. You could feel the vibe was
Speaker 1: not the same with Hannah Anne, and you know they
Speaker 1: had I guess known a little bit now about the
Speaker 1: differences that we had had. I expressed to them, you know,
Speaker 1: the day prior about when I was talking about both
Speaker 1: women that you know, there have been some issues that
Speaker 1: Maddie and I were going through because of what had
Speaker 1: happened with the Fantasy Sweet Week, and so they had
Speaker 1: already seen, like started to see these differences, and they
Speaker 1: just being my family and the one on one conversations
Speaker 1: I had with each of them, like we're just like,
Speaker 1: they didn't see this working. They just didn't see it working.
Speaker 1: And they saw that, yes, she was an amazing girl,
Speaker 1: but the two of us were just too different, and
Speaker 1: they were just looking out for me, and you know,
Speaker 1: you see that passion kind of come out on stage
Speaker 1: and everything. And I think I do think as much
Speaker 1: as I can, you know, defend Maddie and everything, and
Speaker 1: I do think that she could have coming out on
Speaker 1: stage apologize, you know, a really quick apology to my
Speaker 1: parents about the last time she had seen him and
Speaker 1: what had gone down. I think that would have gone
Speaker 1: a long way, and I really really do, you know,
Speaker 1: Fortunately that didn't happen. That wasn't the case, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of why that's really because that's the only time
Speaker 1: my parents saw Maddie like that was really where that
Speaker 1: passion that just like them, being just like ants is
Speaker 1: not going to work. Bud. You gotta like, you gotta
Speaker 1: understand that that's where that came from. Peter. So your
Speaker 1: mom said this during the finale, But she said that
Speaker 1: day after, you know, waiting a couple of hours and
Speaker 1: finally sitting down with Maddie, that she asked her flat out,
Speaker 1: like do you love my son? And she had said no,
Speaker 1: And that's what you So when your mom had told
Speaker 1: you that, and maybe and I think she had said
Speaker 1: that she your brother had asked Maddison the same thing
Speaker 1: and Madison had said the same answer. So when you
Speaker 1: knew that, what was going through your your brain and
Speaker 1: knowing like, Okay, you know she's still here, but she's
Speaker 1: been on the fence about sticking around or leaving, and
Speaker 1: now she's admitted and that she's not in love with
Speaker 1: me to my family, Like, what was going through your brain?
Speaker 1: I was so confused because literally an hour before outside
Speaker 1: she said she did love me. That was the first
Speaker 1: time she told me. I remember like being ridiculous because
Speaker 1: I was like, it's all I've been wanting to hear
Speaker 1: the entire time. And then like I just we were
Speaker 1: having a very serious conversation that like I just completely
Speaker 1: lost all seriousness because I was kind of happy and giddy. Um,
Speaker 1: So she just told me that outside. And that's why
Speaker 1: my mom told me that. I was just very very
Speaker 1: confused and shocked because I'm like, what she just told
Speaker 1: me she did? And then but that's that's another thing.
Speaker 1: That's that's another thing of why my mom was, you know,
Speaker 1: very passionate about what she was saying. Was you hear
Speaker 1: she has Hannah Anne, her and her hit it off
Speaker 1: like no other. Hannah's expressing how she does feel about me,
Speaker 1: and she can totally see this with me, and then
Speaker 1: it's a literally complete opposite, you know, with Maddie, and
Speaker 1: you know, her saying that she didn't love me and
Speaker 1: that she couldn't see an engagement in the next couple
Speaker 1: of days. That part, I will say, I get why
Speaker 1: Maddie couldn't see an engagement after how strongly she felt
Speaker 1: about fantasy like intimacy. I get that. A couple of
Speaker 1: days later, that's not ideally how you want to be
Speaker 1: proposed to knowing what happened a couple I get that,
Speaker 1: But I do know that like that went a long
Speaker 1: way with my mom to like not be the biggest
Speaker 1: fan of that relationship. When when Maddie told her that, well,
Speaker 1: then I guess where's the disconnect, Like, why did she
Speaker 1: just tell you that? And then she said no to
Speaker 1: your family. Did you ever ask her about that? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I don't know. I think it's like
Speaker 1: semantic all right. It was just like she, I guess
Speaker 1: the way my mom met asked it was like, are
Speaker 1: you madly head over heels in love with my son
Speaker 1: or something like that, And I guess that made Maddie
Speaker 1: say no. I don't know. It was just a confusing day.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, it sounds it sounds very confusing, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're better off. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see anybody fail. Yeah, but it sounds like you guys
Speaker 1: are better separate than together. Yeah, if you could. Because
Speaker 1: I know that we were supposed to talk to you
Speaker 1: after the finale, and obviously nobody saw it going the
Speaker 1: way that it did, and Becca and I totally respected
Speaker 1: the fact that this is personal at this point and
Speaker 1: it's not about doing a podcast, Like we care about
Speaker 1: you and we want you to be okay at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. So I don't want to get
Speaker 1: into the details of your conversation with Madison, but after
Speaker 1: you got off stage, and obviously there was some you know,
Speaker 1: you guys were upset and emotional. Did you know that
Speaker 1: it was over at that point? No, So we got
Speaker 1: off stage. I remember we were both in a bad headspace,
Speaker 1: just like down We walked up to like the changing
Speaker 1: room areas where we were waiting before it just her
Speaker 1: and I. We had a quick moment just with each other.
Speaker 1: We just hugged each other and just kind of like
Speaker 1: we're supporting each other. Then we decided to talk to
Speaker 1: some producers. At that point, I don't from my side,
Speaker 1: I didn't think that it was it was over over
Speaker 1: or anything. We then separated. I went back to my hotel.
Speaker 1: She went back to her hotel, called her parents for
Speaker 1: a little bit, came back to my hotel. We spent
Speaker 1: a couple of hours and just you know, we're there
Speaker 1: for each other. Didn't really have a serious conversation about
Speaker 1: figuring this out, but just wanted to be there for
Speaker 1: each other and spend time. Fast forward to the next day,
Speaker 1: I didn't see her mom had flown out and spent
Speaker 1: the day with her. The next day, The second day
Speaker 1: is when I went over to her hotel and we
Speaker 1: spent just like you know, six hours probably just talking.
Speaker 1: And that was when it had that sentiment going into
Speaker 1: the conversation that this is this is it, this is
Speaker 1: not this is unfortunately as sad as it is, like
Speaker 1: it's not going to work as much as like maybe
Speaker 1: we might want it to have worked. And that was
Speaker 1: the day where we both I think knew that it
Speaker 1: was it was over. So you guys agreed to do
Speaker 1: an Instagram post to kind of announce at the same time.
Speaker 1: And then what did you do after that? Did you
Speaker 1: go home? Yes? Um, so that day was when I
Speaker 1: left her hotel, I went straight home, and I was
Speaker 1: the first time I saw my family and first just
Speaker 1: you know, went in, gave him a hug and just
Speaker 1: like told him I loved him and everything and um,
Speaker 1: and then expressed them what had just happened with Mattie
Speaker 1: and I and what we had decided to do, and um,
Speaker 1: you know kind of began that whole healing process with
Speaker 1: my family and everything and just sticking together. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first day I went home and then
Speaker 1: she went to go play board games with Selena Gomez
Speaker 1: so I know, I didn't know that actually until the
Speaker 1: TMZ guys told me that, but um was that who
Speaker 1: culture I went, I know, jesus um I had found out.
Speaker 1: So she had told me that night that she was
Speaker 1: going to go spend some time with one of her friends,
Speaker 1: one of her good girlfriends that was living in la Um.
Speaker 1: Talking to Maddie later after because we had text here
Speaker 1: and there, um after was she told me like listen,
Speaker 1: I know how I guess how that could look. But
Speaker 1: like she did go over to her friend's place and
Speaker 1: her friend just ended up being really good friends with Selena,
Speaker 1: and I guess Selena had said something about, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: we're like going to my grandmother's house play board games,
Speaker 1: like come over here, and some really went over there.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I heard. Have you I believe it?
Speaker 1: I believe it. So have you and Maddie stayed in
Speaker 1: content contact since all of that or is it pretty
Speaker 1: much you know you've shut the door, you guys have
Speaker 1: both moved on. Yeah, we talked. We text her a
Speaker 1: little bit after, and you know, it was sad. You know,
Speaker 1: there was obviously like you know, missing each other kind
Speaker 1: of stuff like that and whatnot. And um, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember she'd like send me like a video and
Speaker 1: it's just like it was. It was tough, but we
Speaker 1: we we both knew it was over. And then um
Speaker 1: kind of just all ended. Yeah, like we I r
Speaker 1: had sent her one thing and like I never really
Speaker 1: heard it and came back. I'm like, okay, yeah, like
Speaker 1: this is I got to stop doing this. And then um,
Speaker 1: and then the whole Kelly stuff happened. Um, and you
Speaker 1: know I came out here to be be here for her,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I had sound like a text to Madison
Speaker 1: just kind of explaining everything so she could hear it
Speaker 1: from me, and she was like, really, you know, Brig
Speaker 1: and rock Star and under you know, wasn't like trying
Speaker 1: to be even big or anything that I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was like, wasn't trying to be mean about it,
Speaker 1: and just like kind of like told me that. It's
Speaker 1: like like I appreciated that, and uh yeah. Then I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to her since. So, Becca, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever asked you this question before or I've
Speaker 1: even said this, but so Peter, I'm directing this to you,
Speaker 1: and Becca you can answer too. I in Fantasy Suite
Speaker 1: I asked all of my guys if I didn't choose them,
Speaker 1: would they be the Bachelor like I wanted to. It
Speaker 1: wasn't really a trick question. It was just more of
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how you would respond to this.
Speaker 1: And so, Becca, did you ask your guys? Well? So,
Speaker 1: when I had fantasy suites, I only had two because
Speaker 1: I had sent Jason home prior to spending the night
Speaker 1: with him. Um, so I had Garrett and Blake. Had
Speaker 1: I gone a different route and ended up with Blake, Hell, no,
Speaker 1: would Garrett have been the Bachelor. There's no way. No.
Speaker 1: Garret wouldn't have done he would, you know? And well,
Speaker 1: and I do know. I mean Blake was in talks
Speaker 1: to potentially be the Bachelor, um, along with some of
Speaker 1: the other guys when Colton season happened. So, um, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he would have said yes. I never asked him that,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know Garrett would have you paid one
Speaker 1: million dollars and he would have not been the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: I think Brian would have would have done it. Um.
Speaker 1: So I'm going somewhere with this. I'm asking you, Peter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think that because we kind of touched on
Speaker 1: this but we didn't go into this when you were
Speaker 1: told that the cameras were at Madison's um and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: did you think that she was going to be asked
Speaker 1: to be the bachelrette? Do you think that if she
Speaker 1: was asked she would have done it? No? I don't.
Speaker 1: What about Hannah Ann Um? Yeah, okay, what about Kelly Um? No,
Speaker 1: Kelly no one. So why do you think Hannah ann
Speaker 1: would have and not the other two? Well? I guess
Speaker 1: so to be fair, I didn't actually ask them, so
Speaker 1: like my final three of this, and I never I
Speaker 1: never asked Hannah Anne Um it came up and talks
Speaker 1: to Madison and I and I tell you no, because
Speaker 1: she told me she would have said no, like that
Speaker 1: wasn't something she would have done. Um. But I guess
Speaker 1: with Hannah Anne, I mean because it's it's not there's
Speaker 1: there's nothing negative about that. Like I if you would
Speaker 1: if I would be talking to two former bacherettes here, yeah,
Speaker 1: in your final three, like if someone or might you
Speaker 1: know Hannah Brown would ask you? Like I would have
Speaker 1: been like, if you don't pick me, this is really
Speaker 1: weird question. But of course, like obviously it's working for me, right, now,
Speaker 1: so I know that it could work if you broke
Speaker 1: my sight. Now and it's not gonna work, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: I want to? Um? So it's nothing negative, but I
Speaker 1: think yeah, Hannah, and you know, would have would have
Speaker 1: what do you what are you trying to do? Kind
Speaker 1: of sneak behind me? Is that Kelly? Yeah, he's trying
Speaker 1: to crawl on the floor behind me. Kelly, we heard
Speaker 1: you were Oh she didn't hear us because he's got
Speaker 1: headphones on. Binger on, come on it, come on it.
Speaker 1: Say hi, can you hear us sneak around? Kelly? She's
Speaker 1: been bashful. Wait, we actually called to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and Peter just happened to pick up. I was just
Speaker 1: hogging the zoom screen now, Hi, Kelly. No, that's the question.
Speaker 1: We were just asking him. Listen, we got a little
Speaker 1: too awkward on this show. No, you're not awkward. You
Speaker 1: just I think, yeah, spoken, I don't think. I think
Speaker 1: you would have Kelly. You would have been good because
Speaker 1: you would have kept the men in their place. True,
Speaker 1: you just get it. Becca and I are also two
Speaker 1: Batchelors who didn't have a lot of drama in our
Speaker 1: season because we were kind of like we're here to
Speaker 1: do something, and it's like, it is what it is,
Speaker 1: So you probably would have been like, like, it's changed
Speaker 1: a little bit, like in the past couple of years,
Speaker 1: it's more drama focused. So do they hold on to that?
Speaker 1: They reverse it and go back to what you guys
Speaker 1: had say, she's already she's asking the wrong this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she couldn't do it. Are you do? You still have
Speaker 1: to work right now? Um? I should be working more
Speaker 1: than I am, but there's little things that I still
Speaker 1: have to do. Yeah, I just didn't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't practice anymore, so I'm like, Oh, what's what's
Speaker 1: going on in the legal world or people? Still, I
Speaker 1: did finish my cls this month, so I was so
Speaker 1: proud of myself for finishing. Remember. Yeah, Hey, hey, Rachel,
Speaker 1: may it please the court. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. Look at you two steps
Speaker 1: away from a courtroom. No, we've just been having fun
Speaker 1: asking Pewter questions about and Kelly. You're somebody we wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to the show. I feel like we've hot
Speaker 1: We've No. No, I'm not gonna hog your time because
Speaker 1: we've been talking to Peter. I feel like for an
Speaker 1: hour and a half. At this point, I'm in my closet.
Speaker 1: So Specca, we have nothing else to do, so parties
Speaker 1: DJs on the team. Okay, well here's a question. Why
Speaker 1: were you at women till all? I honestly don't know. No, no,
Speaker 1: not at women? Sorry, why were you affe? I really
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's just from from the only
Speaker 1: The only thing that I got was Chris Harrison doing
Speaker 1: an interview saying that they want to throw people off
Speaker 1: because they thought I was pregnant with Peter's child or
Speaker 1: something like, Yeah, was that a rumor practice? Yeah, people
Speaker 1: call up with the weirdest crap. You guys, I swear well, Kelly,
Speaker 1: when when rached, I saw you because we were there,
Speaker 1: we were just watching backstage. We weren't allowed out there,
Speaker 1: which we really wanted to. But when we saw you
Speaker 1: were like, let us go sit with Kelly and Barr.
Speaker 1: Why are you guys keeping your back here? You were
Speaker 1: sitting next to my friend Kelly, my two guests on
Speaker 1: to show the guy. It was a couple that was
Speaker 1: sitting next to you. Yeah. So like they're big Bachelor fans.
Speaker 1: They do like he does ESPN stuff and he's like
Speaker 1: like we were sitting next to Kelly. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you're welcome. I didn't even plan it that way, but
Speaker 1: you're welcome. That's so funny. And the first time I
Speaker 1: ever saw her there, it was there in the first
Speaker 1: commercial break and then Chris is like, hey, so I
Speaker 1: just did a little shift that out to Kelly. She's
Speaker 1: up there, and I looked at it. Kelly just waving,
Speaker 1: like what were y'all in communication at that point? Like
Speaker 1: were y'all like cool? Y'all hadn't okay? I like people
Speaker 1: think everything happened like before. I didn't get her number
Speaker 1: until so I was talking about Christian that night, like
Speaker 1: nothing before. Well, in all fairness, you don't really need
Speaker 1: phone numbers these days, there's so many ways to communicate. So, Kelly,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you this question because we asked Peter when
Speaker 1: we know that you guys have been quarantined before those
Speaker 1: infamous TMZ photos, when you decided to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're going to go to the river Walk where y'all
Speaker 1: just like fuck it, We're gonna go. Who cares? Who sees? No,
Speaker 1: not the social distancing, I mean like being out in public.
Speaker 1: Oh No, to be completely honest, I think we're pretty
Speaker 1: naive and in that aspect um, you know, I was
Speaker 1: wearing like two hoods. He was wearing sunglasses and a hat,
Speaker 1: and I guess that just doesn't really work well with
Speaker 1: Clay and dust In two. I mean like stick out
Speaker 1: like sort of you know what's crazy? The real quick
Speaker 1: this is insane? Um. So Katrina, who lives in Chicago
Speaker 1: as well, she sent a picture to Kelly this is insane,
Speaker 1: like loose Katrina Katrina night one with the pussycat. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't start knowing name. Still halfway through she had
Speaker 1: taken a picture like a selfie sitting on the river
Speaker 1: walk this is crazy, and then in the background it's
Speaker 1: the three. It was the three of us with Dustin
Speaker 1: as well. You could tell what we were wearing if
Speaker 1: you compare to other pictures, and we're like, this is insane.
Speaker 1: You can't go the leaka one who I thought looked
Speaker 1: like me and a Dobrev Right, who's that? I thought
Speaker 1: she looked like some actress when I think that was her?
Speaker 1: Okay she was she was at woman tell all? Okay,
Speaker 1: ye how was that? Woman's all? Definitely I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: would say, well, we'll see you are on Paradise, but
Speaker 1: who knows if Paradise is even moving forward? Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, because Kelly Peter's being very
Speaker 1: quoit about where your relationship stands these days. If Paradise
Speaker 1: happens and you get asked, would you go, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm made for these shows affect it.
Speaker 1: They're amazing. It was an experience, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of the future I have them. Well,
Speaker 1: what about friends, because like I remember, coming on, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna stick to myself. I'm the oldest
Speaker 1: one in the house. I'm just gonna read my book books,
Speaker 1: go on these dates, do my thing. And I was
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised that I have friends on the show and
Speaker 1: that I know will be friends forever. Was that the
Speaker 1: same experience you had? And if so, who are you
Speaker 1: close to? Yeah? Coming coming off the show, it's funny
Speaker 1: because when you're on the show and off the show,
Speaker 1: you you gravitate towards other people. But yeah, I talked
Speaker 1: to like McKenna and Kelsey every day, um and throughout
Speaker 1: throughout the whole you know of it airing back, you
Speaker 1: kind of just gravitate towards what episode is going on
Speaker 1: and who you're with on that group date or what
Speaker 1: happened there, you know. Um, but I'm friends with with
Speaker 1: all the girls. I don't have any beef with any
Speaker 1: of them. Um. Yeah, Kelsey and mckennare are the ones
Speaker 1: that day keep in contact with a lot. Well, my
Speaker 1: forever favorite moment of you will be laying back on
Speaker 1: that bench with that foot up twirling. I said, Kelly
Speaker 1: is an entire mood that is me. I was, like,
Speaker 1: I have Kelly, Kelly is me crazy? I tell him
Speaker 1: all the time, like I've listened to y'all's podcasts, and
Speaker 1: the way that you think is very similar to mine,
Speaker 1: Like everything you usually say. I was like, spun on
Speaker 1: s fun on, Like I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: And I keep telling him that. I was like, just
Speaker 1: the way that she thinks like is incredible, Like I'm so,
Speaker 1: I'm literally jealous because you can tell you're you're super
Speaker 1: intelligent with everything you say. And thank you fut on
Speaker 1: for I don't know everything. It's you know, you know,
Speaker 1: law school is like it teaches you a certain way
Speaker 1: to think more than anything else. But it's nice to
Speaker 1: hear it's appreciated because it's not appreciated by most. I
Speaker 1: always say our podcast is a logical like, it's not
Speaker 1: for the hopeless romantics. You know, we're here to just
Speaker 1: like have a discussion and to talk things out, and
Speaker 1: not everybody wants to hear that. And there are other
Speaker 1: podcasts you can go to for that. Kelly, I will
Speaker 1: say you watching you and Rache and I have loved
Speaker 1: you the entire season. You were one of our favorites
Speaker 1: because you're just a breath of fresh air, because you
Speaker 1: are logical, you are intelligent, you speak your mind, you
Speaker 1: are very articulate, but rich. I'm gonna disagree, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say the best moment of Kelly on the season
Speaker 1: was when you were the aboiler. Yeah, yes, that moment.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, Becca, That was I knew I
Speaker 1: liked it before, but watching you was the aboiler, I
Speaker 1: was like, God, she's good. And then when and when
Speaker 1: she and then when she like changed the script up though,
Speaker 1: because like that she wasn't the script and it was
Speaker 1: just like, pought me off guard while we're filming ou,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what it was like, let's go, oh, quarantine,
Speaker 1: can you like, play act and do another telenovela together.
Speaker 1: That's what you should do. Yeah, we didn't give them
Speaker 1: the tiktoks. We don't have when it takes that TikTok,
Speaker 1: but we can get listen. I am an anti TikTok person.
Speaker 1: Becca just joined. I can't get it. I would I
Speaker 1: would be worse than you, So kudos to you for
Speaker 1: doing it. I can't. Kelly. Have you been on any
Speaker 1: of the other podcasts? Did you do Nick or Kaylin's
Speaker 1: or are we the first? No? She she was with
Speaker 1: Kaitlin and Ben Okay, can you tell can you guys
Speaker 1: tell us like one thing that you didn't tell them,
Speaker 1: like some juicy detail, some juicy d give us, like
Speaker 1: give us something good that we can run with here,
Speaker 1: an exclusive, an exclusive? Kind of boring? Kelly, have you
Speaker 1: seen Peter in the shower during this quarantine? Is Peter
Speaker 1: better in real life or on the show? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: in real life better? I think pick up for him.
Speaker 1: I was like, some parts of him that you saw
Speaker 1: were like necessarily him. But I even used to say
Speaker 1: on the show, I was like, there's Peter Webber and
Speaker 1: then there's Bachelor, the Peter or the bachelor, Peter, and
Speaker 1: you know they're big. You stop saying that, And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, true, I met him outside of this
Speaker 1: and he's so much cooler than he is on Peter,
Speaker 1: you are cool. Well we did see on the show.
Speaker 1: I guess I'd rather have it that way than vice versus.
Speaker 1: So thank you. No, absolutely, So you feel like if
Speaker 1: you met Peter, well you did meet him in real
Speaker 1: life before, but like you guys could hit it off,
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Yeah, I think though, yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 1: a it's yes, it's a compliment taken. It's a fine
Speaker 1: line to try to be both the same person you
Speaker 1: see on TV is the same person you are in person,
Speaker 1: so right, you know, I know, yeah, Well, and that's
Speaker 1: the thing I think as leads, there's so much that
Speaker 1: happens that can't be portrayed on TV, and so I
Speaker 1: think for everyone, anyone who's ever been on the show,
Speaker 1: there's so much more. People are way funnier or more
Speaker 1: charismatic than what they come across. And Peter, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've met you now a few times in person, and
Speaker 1: like you really are just this very warm, bighearted, like
Speaker 1: fun charismatic guy that that I think we saw a
Speaker 1: good part of it on the show. But I think
Speaker 1: that they're so much more and so, you know, regardless
Speaker 1: of what happened throughout the entire season and it didn't
Speaker 1: pan out, I'm sure as anyone had expected. Um, I
Speaker 1: think you are on your own path and I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you were are a bautchelo, I really am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you seem happy. Like we've talked to you a couple
Speaker 1: of times in studio. You're different, You're different. Thanks Kelly.
Speaker 1: Thanks Kelly, she's been amazing. How many times have you
Speaker 1: FaceTime Barb. Yeah, she's obsessed with Sophie Dustin's dogs and
Speaker 1: she's always calling, Hey, let me see Sophie, let me
Speaker 1: see Sophie, let me see Chop Chop. So that's that's Kelly,
Speaker 1: Chop Chop. We heard about Chop chopped up? All right, Well, Kelly,
Speaker 1: we're so happy you popped into this. Thank you boys.
Speaker 1: Thanks Kelly. We hope to see more at you. Um
Speaker 1: So Peter, as I just said, you know, there's obviously
Speaker 1: so much more than than what anyone can ever see
Speaker 1: on the TV show. Um. And when people say like
Speaker 1: they thought the ending was staged and the finale was staged,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because like we and we met
Speaker 1: with you in the studio before the season started. We
Speaker 1: asked you, like, what are you hoping from this? Like
Speaker 1: what do you want to be known for? And you
Speaker 1: were like, I don't want to be known for a
Speaker 1: windmill or an inanimate object, like I want to be
Speaker 1: known for having the best love story. And unfortunately, for
Speaker 1: your time on the show itself, that didn't happen. Like, yes,
Speaker 1: you fell in love with a couple of girls, you
Speaker 1: were engaged, it didn't pan out with either of them,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's anything you expected going into it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could have foreseen any of what
Speaker 1: went down. So that's why like watching it, I'm like, dude, like,
Speaker 1: no offense, but this really sucks, Like all he wanted
Speaker 1: was to share his heart and to share this love
Speaker 1: story with the world. And so you know, you're making
Speaker 1: your own story now away from the TV. We don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to necessarily happen with Kelly. But going
Speaker 1: back to your time, obviously it didn't pan out as
Speaker 1: you thought. But I'm sure we all have regrets going
Speaker 1: through it at moments. But what was your biggest regret
Speaker 1: and biggest takeaway from being the lead. My biggest regret
Speaker 1: I think was and it for me, it's so tough
Speaker 1: to like kind of admit or be okay with because
Speaker 1: like I know the kind of person that I am,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, I can't change
Speaker 1: myself to like be different. But the one thing that
Speaker 1: kind of sucked the most, I think was me just
Speaker 1: being a little bit too empathetic throughout the entire process
Speaker 1: and not putting my foot down in certain situations. And
Speaker 1: I guess do it. If I could have done it again,
Speaker 1: like I had a second chance, I could have tried
Speaker 1: a little bit harder. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I am who I am, And so it's like it's
Speaker 1: a regret, but it's like something I regret that I
Speaker 1: would I would continue to keep making because that's just
Speaker 1: the person I am. And maybe that's this kind of
Speaker 1: process wasn't ideal for me being on this side, as
Speaker 1: you know, the Bachelor, but that's who I am, and
Speaker 1: I can't change who I am. And in regards like
Speaker 1: what you said about you know, yeah, I remember saying that,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want, I didn't care about any drama
Speaker 1: of being remembered for this or that I wanted to
Speaker 1: give people because I've been such the hopeless romantic. The
Speaker 1: romantic like that's where they could live vicariously through and
Speaker 1: like inspire them to like never settle and like look
Speaker 1: for hopefully what I was going to go fine, But
Speaker 1: even though it didn't work out that way, I still
Speaker 1: I hope that it can inspire people just kind of
Speaker 1: seeing me now and where I'm at. And I've always said, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a hopeless romantic. I don't like the word
Speaker 1: hopeless because I'm the kind of romantic that never loses
Speaker 1: hope that you know what, that didn't work and that
Speaker 1: didn't work, and there was so much should I had
Speaker 1: to go through with that, But guess what, I'm still
Speaker 1: having that mindset that, you know, the next person is
Speaker 1: going to be my girl, And if I can still
Speaker 1: feel that way after what it has went through, hopefully
Speaker 1: that can in a different way inspire people in a
Speaker 1: way I didn't think was possibly going to at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. Ye Peter very well said, so,
Speaker 1: I have one last question for you, being that this
Speaker 1: is kind of like a redemption podcast for you and
Speaker 1: a ring right just imbost failed down a lot going
Speaker 1: on in this closet, saying that this is a redemption
Speaker 1: podcast for you. And we started out at the beginning
Speaker 1: asking you about the coronavirus. I want to ask you
Speaker 1: this last question. It's interesting you say empathy because I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people would have labeled that that
Speaker 1: you were indecisive. So that's why I think what you
Speaker 1: said is very powerful, because it's like, Okay, I actually
Speaker 1: can see that, I can see how you were being
Speaker 1: very empathetic, but a lot of people have labeled you
Speaker 1: as indecisive. A lot of people have had opinions on
Speaker 1: you one way or another for various reasons, kind of
Speaker 1: as if I don't want to use certain words, but
Speaker 1: basically is if you don't make your own decisions, and
Speaker 1: I'm going outside of even them saying because of your mom,
Speaker 1: just a lot of people have had a lot to
Speaker 1: say about you that I don't necessarily agree with. Beca
Speaker 1: and I have had the chance to get to know
Speaker 1: you off of the podcast. You're a great guy. Your
Speaker 1: character's outstanding. I mean, like, you send us a voicemail
Speaker 1: the other day and I turned to Brian, I was like,
Speaker 1: you couldn't be mad at Peter if you tried, you
Speaker 1: just couldn't. He's just such a good person. But I
Speaker 1: feel defensive of you. And I've said this before, is
Speaker 1: I feel like people have a lot to say about you.
Speaker 1: So I just kind of want to give you the
Speaker 1: opportunity and give you the floor like Becca did at
Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast, to just address it. The
Speaker 1: people who have the stuff to say about you, and
Speaker 1: that like you can't make your own decisions and you're indecisive.
Speaker 1: What do you have to say about that? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I've heard that. It's ton and listen, I'll
Speaker 1: admit to a lot of it. I was indecisive in
Speaker 1: regards a lot of situations. But and I'm okay with
Speaker 1: that because that, to me was just showing how how
Speaker 1: well this did work for me, and it was working
Speaker 1: for me. You know, I didn't want to fall from
Speaker 1: multiple women. I didn't want to have to have these
Speaker 1: crazy confusion you know days, these weeks I had to
Speaker 1: deal with, but I did. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: look the way I look at it, it's like I
Speaker 1: wasn't indecisive. That probably be a little bit weird because
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't working as well as maybe maybe it's
Speaker 1: the wrong opinion. But that's honestly that that's that's how
Speaker 1: I look at it, um, you know, in regards to
Speaker 1: being like empathetic and like, I know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of relationships why people like didn't understand why I was
Speaker 1: like maybe possibly giving that person so many chances or um,
Speaker 1: you know, not seeing the red flags right away or whatnot.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I'll specifically say, like one with
Speaker 1: like Victoria, if I know, I got a lot of
Speaker 1: like backlash on that relationship, like me going into this
Speaker 1: and like I've always been such a proponent for grace
Speaker 1: and like in a relationship that's so important also to
Speaker 1: be able to give one of the most beautiful gifts
Speaker 1: you can give. The definition of grace is like is
Speaker 1: unwarranted us undeserved forgiveness and like, so that's how that
Speaker 1: was my mindset, And a lot of these relationships that
Speaker 1: people didn't get why I was doing what I was
Speaker 1: doing or whatnot. Like I always trying to practice that
Speaker 1: and like, you know, not just preach it, but practice it. Um,
Speaker 1: So listen, that's still though, doesn't I made a ton
Speaker 1: of mistakes. I fess up to that over and over.
Speaker 1: The biggest one and the one that I hurt. My
Speaker 1: biggest regret I take back was you know, putting hand
Speaker 1: and what I put her through and like that to me,
Speaker 1: you know, is something that I will forever feel horrible
Speaker 1: about because I just care for her so much. But
Speaker 1: you know, through all that, I do feel like she's
Speaker 1: going to be Madison's going to be all the other
Speaker 1: women myself, like we are gonna still forever be grateful
Speaker 1: for this experience we share together. And you know, I
Speaker 1: never for sure we'll ever regret being the Bachelor, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. Just the experience I had, the lessons I learned,
Speaker 1: I'll take with me for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 1: So well, that's great, and luckily Bachelination has a short
Speaker 1: term memory. So that's what I hear. But there's no
Speaker 1: other show being a film right now? The attention all yeah,
Speaker 1: you really are? You really are getting the short end
Speaker 1: of the stick here, because yeah, no one, I mean
Speaker 1: until Listen to Your Heart starts, no one's going to
Speaker 1: be able to talk about another show. So Peter, one
Speaker 1: last question before we let you get going here. The
Speaker 1: entire season, I think it can be said, and Rachel
Speaker 1: and I have said this to like what does Peter want?
Speaker 1: What do you want? It might have been different going
Speaker 1: into the season than it is now, But what ultimately
Speaker 1: do you want in a partner? What are you looking
Speaker 1: for that's really going to fill you at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. I want someone that, listen, all, I
Speaker 1: still want a lot of the same things I wanted
Speaker 1: from the beginning of the show, but someone that you know,
Speaker 1: really just gets me for who I am and it
Speaker 1: is never going to try to have me change in
Speaker 1: any way, even if they think it might be a
Speaker 1: weakness in me. It's something they appreciate about me. And
Speaker 1: you know, someone that I do feel like we can
Speaker 1: really challenge each other. And that's not to be negative
Speaker 1: or like, oh he needs to have a problem or
Speaker 1: an issue or he needs the drama. That's not what
Speaker 1: it is. But someone that really just you both challenge
Speaker 1: each other really well. And you know, I've had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to just to see and date a lot of
Speaker 1: different personalities in different women obviously in the last two months,
Speaker 1: and like, so I see a lot of what I
Speaker 1: like and what I don't like now, and so I'm
Speaker 1: going to use that for sure moving forward. And you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, just someone that just
Speaker 1: makes me happy, and um, I can make them happy.
Speaker 1: And it's nothing really much more complicated than that. UM,
Speaker 1: And I know that's that's gonna happen for me. We
Speaker 1: know it will, and we'll be watching, We will be
Speaker 1: watching and hopefully well, Peter, we loved having you on.
Speaker 1: I mean we said it before, but we're always going
Speaker 1: to root for your happiness. We're always gonna want you
Speaker 1: to find love because, like I said, you have such
Speaker 1: a big heart and we've seen that and so I
Speaker 1: really want you at the end of the day to
Speaker 1: hopefully find what you're looking for. Um. You know, we
Speaker 1: all go through these crazy ups and downs, especially being
Speaker 1: from the show. UM, but it seems like you did
Speaker 1: learn a lot and took a lot. So we're always
Speaker 1: going to be your biggest supporters here, um, because we can.
Speaker 1: Really it's it's a crazy world that you've gotten yourself
Speaker 1: into and you're part of it now you're stuck with us, um,
Speaker 1: but we're happy that we can all be in it together. No,
Speaker 1: I love you both so much and I thank you
Speaker 1: for everything, just always being there for me, and you know,
Speaker 1: the whole whole ways of thank you. Oh, Peter, and
Speaker 1: one thing too, I should say, um, my mom was
Speaker 1: actually asking for your mom's number because my mom, My
Speaker 1: mom struggled a lot while I was gone on the show,
Speaker 1: just because she she couldn't really talk to me, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: so she she wants, she was joking the other day,
Speaker 1: she wants to start like a support group of bachelor parents.
Speaker 1: So I think she actually reached out to your mom
Speaker 1: on Instagram, so hopefully they can chat aside. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but when all this quarantine is said and done, we're
Speaker 1: all coming over and bringing my mom for some Cuban food. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I fire it up. No, for sure she's gonna love that.
Speaker 1: So I can't wait. Thanks Peter so much for doing this.
Speaker 1: Hopefully this is it for you. Now you can live
Speaker 1: your life. That's all right, you just do you. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for giving us your time. Thank Kelly,
Speaker 1: and tell Dustin what's up to m hugs? All right,
Speaker 1: Love you guys, Love to by Peter. You know. It's
Speaker 1: so I'm really glad we talked to Peter Becca, because
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I was a little indifferent about doing
Speaker 1: an interview because I thought, Okay, are we just going
Speaker 1: to be rehashing the same things over and over again.
Speaker 1: Is this just gonna be? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just didn't think that. I know our listeners wanted it,
Speaker 1: but I just wasn't sure how the podcast would go.
Speaker 1: And I am so glad we did it. I thought
Speaker 1: that Peter is a new Peter. Dare I say it?
Speaker 1: I think people will be surprised, pleasantly surprised at what
Speaker 1: they heard Peter say and where he is and where
Speaker 1: he was coming from. And I honestly think he's in
Speaker 1: a headspace now to clearly talk about it without being
Speaker 1: biased or too emotional from what had happened before. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think a little time and space and distance always helps,
Speaker 1: and even for me. I mean, we were supposed to
Speaker 1: speak to him right after the finale, and I personally,
Speaker 1: I think in that moment I would have come at
Speaker 1: the interview as like a scorned woman because I could
Speaker 1: relate with him Anne and I was in that mindset.
Speaker 1: And so it's good to now have a little distance
Speaker 1: from everything that went down. We've seen Peter kind of
Speaker 1: move on from his season with Kelly, We've seen the
Speaker 1: girls kind of move on, and so I think it
Speaker 1: helps to shape the conversation a little bit better. And
Speaker 1: as you said, Peter now has some space, he has
Speaker 1: some clarity. He can come at this and finally really
Speaker 1: say what he wants to say and what he wants
Speaker 1: to get off of his chest. So I'm so happy
Speaker 1: we finally spoke with him. Yeah, plus we got Kelly. Now,
Speaker 1: if we had done this interview right after the finale,
Speaker 1: we never would have gone Kelly. So thank you for that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for Kelly for making a guest appearance on
Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Hours. So glad we finally got you. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was a good one, guys, but we have to
Speaker 1: start leaving him alone because a new show is coming
Speaker 1: up starting this Monday. We have Listened to Your Heart,
Speaker 1: which we have to look forward to and I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: But Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, you can actually get our
Speaker 1: first interviews on the show. We have a new podcast
Speaker 1: dropping this Friday where you can get our take on
Speaker 1: what's to come and listen to your Heart. That's right,
Speaker 1: we are the official podcast, which means we are dropping
Speaker 1: things first, So you're welcome. For Peter, that is over
Speaker 1: and done with, We're entering a new season. Listen to
Speaker 1: your Heart, so excited. April thirteenth, eight seven Central. We've
Speaker 1: got two contestants coming up on the show. It's going
Speaker 1: to be so good and you're only going to hear
Speaker 1: them here on Bachelor Happy Hour. So thank you guys
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