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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol mark Wood Show

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio. I've talked about this subject a lot, and

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Speaker 1: I hadn't done it monologue in quite a while and

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this again because I got a

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Speaker 1: note in my email about this, and also today Kat

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Speaker 1: Rosenfield on X posted starting to think the plummeting birth

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Speaker 1: rate might have something to do with millennial women being

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Speaker 1: immersed in these motherhood as identity annihilation narratives for the

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Speaker 1: entirety of their fertile years, and I tweeted I talk

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Speaker 1: often to counter this persistent messaging that motherhood is the

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Speaker 1: end of your life, about the fact that my career

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Speaker 1: took off only after having children and my identity and

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Speaker 1: my purpose crystallized because of them. Having kids was the beginning,

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Speaker 1: not the end. I also got a note about this recently.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if I was going to answer this

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Speaker 1: because it was a short note, and it's not When

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Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of details, it's tough for

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Speaker 1: me to really give an answer. If you're going to

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Speaker 1: write to me for advice, as much detail as possible,

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Speaker 1: as much detail as you feel comfortable giving me.

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Speaker 2: Would be great. This is the note, Hi, miss Markoitz,

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Speaker 2: you spoke at my school a few years ago and

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Speaker 2: I had asked a question about how you balance family

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Speaker 2: and career. I'm now twenty three and still don't see

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Speaker 2: how you do it. I'm not dating anyone, partially because

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid that adding a relationship to my life will

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Speaker 2: be too time consuming. I don't have a high pressure job,

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Speaker 2: but imagine I will one day. How do I balance everything?

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Speaker 2: The thing is you just do it, is the easy answer.

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Speaker 2: But the other thing is you're twenty three and you're

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Speaker 2: not dating anyone, so you don't have a picture of

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Speaker 2: what your life actually will look like. Part of what

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Speaker 2: gave me the space to grow in my career and

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Speaker 2: do what I wanted to do was marrying the right

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Speaker 2: person who let me explore things and let me try

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Speaker 2: out things, and that made me able to succeed at

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Speaker 2: another level than I ever would have without him. So,

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Speaker 2: if you're twenty three and you're not dating anyone, and

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Speaker 2: you say you don't have a higher pressure job, but

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Speaker 2: imagine you will one day you might not, you don't know.

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Speaker 2: I would say, don't put the roadblocks in your way

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Speaker 2: in advance. See where you end up. On this, A

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Speaker 2: lot of women are just given this message that marriage

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Speaker 2: and kids are the end, when in fact, for a

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Speaker 2: lot of women, it really will be the beginning of

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Speaker 2: you being able to do things. You have somebody who

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Speaker 2: contributes to your household. Maybe doesn't support the entire household,

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Speaker 2: but at least half of it. You are given the

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Speaker 2: ability to try things that you might not have been

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Speaker 2: able to try otherwise. So this whole thing about women's

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Speaker 2: identity being destroyed and their careers being over as soon

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Speaker 2: as they have kids just makes no sense to me.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like a lot of this is just

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Speaker 2: messaging made to ensure that women don't have kids, and

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Speaker 2: I think that it's on purpose. It's to say you

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Speaker 2: can't live a life that is enjoyable with children. Don't

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Speaker 2: have children. It's scary, and I know that it's aimed

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Speaker 2: at liberal women, but I think the woman writing to

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Speaker 2: me is a conservative woman. I am assuming this because

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Speaker 2: I spoke at her school, I speak to conservative groups.

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Speaker 2: I can imagine who this person is, even though she

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Speaker 2: didn't say or what kind of person this is. And

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Speaker 2: it's not the blue haired liberal girl on the college campus.

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Speaker 2: This is somebody serious who wants children. And wants to

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Speaker 2: hear that it's going to be okay. And this idea

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Speaker 2: that it can't be okay if you have kids and

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Speaker 2: that your life will be altered for the negative is

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Speaker 2: one that is just pushed on them so hard. This

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Speaker 2: girl is saying she doesn't even have a boyfriend or

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Speaker 2: a high powered career and she already doesn't know how

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Speaker 2: to balance them. You are told that it's going to

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Speaker 2: be so hard, but in fact it's not. In fact,

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Speaker 2: when you're with the right person and you have a

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Speaker 2: do well, it's not the image you see online of

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Speaker 2: the devastated woman who doesn't have what she actually wanted.

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Speaker 2: I think people who have the marriage that they want

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Speaker 2: they just don't tell you about it because it's hard

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Speaker 2: to be like, Hey, my life's really great. I have

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Speaker 2: and I'm here to spread it. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 2: and stay tuned for my interview with Jennifer van lahar

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Speaker 2: Hi and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: My guest today is Jennifer Van Lah. Jennifer is the

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Speaker 2: managing editor of Red State and an investigative journalist. Hi, Jennifer,

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Speaker 2: is so nice to have you on, so great to

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Speaker 2: be here. So how did you get to this path?

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Speaker 2: Where did you decide to be a writer, and how

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Speaker 2: did you end up at Red State.

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Speaker 3: So I'd always enjoyed writing.

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Speaker 4: That was kind of my best class, you know, growing

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Speaker 4: up and going into high school. That outside of college,

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Speaker 4: I became a court reporter, like a stenographer in courtrooms depositions,

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Speaker 4: and I worked for the State of North Carolina and

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Speaker 4: did about more than three dozen criminal first degree murder

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Speaker 4: I did for twenty years while raising my kids, and

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Speaker 4: that really gave me such an insight into how people

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Speaker 4: build cases, which is really what you do as an

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Speaker 4: investigative journalist.

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Speaker 3: So after I got divorced and.

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Speaker 4: I moved home to California, I couldn't do court reporting

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Speaker 4: there because I used a different method than our regulatory

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Speaker 4: of our state association all that, they want me to

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Speaker 4: go back to school and I said forget that. So

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Speaker 4: I kind of got involved in political consulting, doing some

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Speaker 3: Then I started writing at.

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Speaker 4: Red State and twenty sixteen right after that election and

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Speaker 4: just timing from there.

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Speaker 2: So I associate you very much with investigative journalism. Is

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Speaker 2: that your true love?

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Speaker 3: It is?

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Speaker 4: And it took me a little while to find it

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Speaker 4: because I liked doing more of the analysis or just

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Speaker 4: even the hot takes because there's so many things. Especially

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Speaker 4: as a mom, you see people writing things and you

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Speaker 3: On whatever their take is on things.

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Speaker 4: But once I started doing that, and my first big

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Speaker 4: story ended up being kind of the biggest story of

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Speaker 4: also had issues with prescription drug abuse, alcohol issues. She

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Speaker 4: ended up resigning eight days after my first report and

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask what your face sad story

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Speaker 2: has been? Is that your favorite story that you've worked on?

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Speaker 4: No? No, because that one brought so much terrible things

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Speaker 4: But I think my favorite one that I think has

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Speaker 4: half long examination of ron A McDaniel's spending at the

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Speaker 4: RNC that resulted in President Trump firing her and it's

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Speaker 4: getting a whole new RNC and then President Trump winning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that very well. That those stories. Did

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Speaker 2: you get into a lot of trouble because you were

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Speaker 2: going after a quote unquote on your own side.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they tried to get us to not be

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Speaker 4: able to publish it. But you know, I credit the

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Speaker 4: late amazing Charlie Kirk. He kind of saw the writing

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Speaker 4: what I was finding. He said, well, come on my

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Speaker 4: And that was before the story was even published. So

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Speaker 4: that whole night after that, the people at the RNC

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Speaker 4: were harassing me and my publisher to not publish it.

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Speaker 4: But really, you know, that horse was already out of

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Speaker 4: the barn, And I credit Charlie for doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was brave. He really, I think took chances

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Speaker 2: that some people don't take. One attacking you know, again,

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Speaker 2: did very very very well.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what would you have done if this hadn't worked out,

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Speaker 1: if you hadn't left court reporting and got into writing,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Work out for everyone. What would have been the plan be?

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Speaker 3: I didn't even have one. It kind of had to work.

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Speaker 4: I was a newly single mom of a teenage boy

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Speaker 4: my dad who had had a stroke, which is why

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Speaker 4: I moved back to California.

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Speaker 3: So it just it had to work.

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Speaker 2: It's funny for people listening, A lot of people say

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Speaker 2: I had no plan B and this had to work.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if there's something to that when you

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Speaker 2: and this has to work out. I wonder if that

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Speaker 4: I think so, because my option was trying to find

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Speaker 3: What are you covering right now?

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Speaker 4: So a lot of stuff on the Palisades Fire and

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Speaker 4: watch my space over the next few weeks, there's some

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Speaker 4: deep dives into Gavin Newsom's personal finances and let's just

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Speaker 4: say that he runs his personal finances the same way

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Speaker 4: he runs the State of California's finances.

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Speaker 3: So it's pretty messy, so not that great.

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Speaker 2: No, do you root for California though, I mean you

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Speaker 2: live there, right, you wanted to succeed? Did you have

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Speaker 3: I do have hope, and I absolutely wanted to succeed.

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Speaker 4: I think in Galvin Newsom touts, you know, the fifth

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Speaker 4: largest or sixth largest economy, you know, based on whichever

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Speaker 4: that in spite of Gavin Newsom is that in spite

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Speaker 4: of the Democrats and they're terrible policies, there's so many

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Speaker 4: natural resources, so many human resources there with the brain

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Speaker 4: talent and that I've always said that the people that

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Speaker 4: the confines of the East Coast were not for them,

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Speaker 4: and they had a bigger rigion. There's nothing wrong with that,

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Speaker 4: but it's just they were different. They weren't going to

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Speaker 4: and the thing they do things that maybe, you know, a.

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Speaker 3: Stricter society wouldn't allow.

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Speaker 4: And that's how we've came up with so many great

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Speaker 4: inventions in California and really changed the world. And I'd

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Speaker 4: like us to get back to doing good things for

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Speaker 4: the world instead of being the incubator of bad ideas.

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Speaker 1: Right, But you are optimistic that that that that could happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's saying something because I like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I love New York, and I love New York and

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Speaker 1: I root for it, but I'm not optimistic about their future,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the future, in the far off future

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 4: Right, I mean we might or might not have hit

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Speaker 4: rock bottom yet, there might still be a rock bottom

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Speaker 4: to hit. But yeah, every the pendulum always swings.

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Speaker 2: Back your lifelong California. You grew up there.

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Speaker 2: all right, I have loved this conversation, Jennifer. This has

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Speaker 3: So goes back to your question about you know what,

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Speaker 4: And around that time that I started writing, I realized

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Speaker 3: So my advice for you know success, or one tip for.

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Speaker 4: be yourself and stick with that.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love the idea of stick in your lane and

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Venlar. Check her out at Red State. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for coming on, Jennifer.

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Speaker 3: Thank you