WEBVTT - How to Turn a Q-Anon Backer Into a Peace Lover

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bloomberg Law with June Grasso from Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Calla lawyer turn a q and on shaman invading the

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<v Speaker 1>capital in Viking gear into a peace loving yoga enthusiast.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a stunning legal feat. But some lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>defending those charge in the Capital riot are looking for

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<v Speaker 1>any way to get around the virtually irrefutable video and

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<v Speaker 1>photographic evidence of their clients participation in the riot. Court

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<v Speaker 1>filings and hearings indicate others may use a Trump made

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<v Speaker 1>me do it defense. Yes, the Capitol, take the cabal

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<v Speaker 1>the capoy right now. Yeah. The Just Security blog has

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<v Speaker 1>together footage of many videos from within the crowd showing

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction to Trump's speech before the attack on the Capitol.

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<v Speaker 1>Could it provide support for a defense that the rioters

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<v Speaker 1>acted in response to Trump's violent rhetoric? Joining me as

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Legal reporter David Yaffee beleny, So, David, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a man who was easily identifiable and stood out from

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning because he was half naked and wearing

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of Viking head dress with horns. But his

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer is now saying he's a peace loving yoga enthusiast

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<v Speaker 1>whose hero is Mahatma Gandhi. Yes, so that's Jacob Chansley,

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<v Speaker 1>who's better known probably as the q and On Shaman.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an adherent of the Q and On a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory and and a sort of leader in that world

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<v Speaker 1>who shown up at a lot of far right protests

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<v Speaker 1>over the last few months. And yes, he showed up

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<v Speaker 1>at the riot dress and a horned coyote skin head

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<v Speaker 1>dress with an air middriff covered with tattoos, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was photographed Danny at the day is that Mike Tense

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<v Speaker 1>had deserted just moments earlier in the Senate chamber, and

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<v Speaker 1>so that image of him became one of the defining

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<v Speaker 1>images of the riot, especially in the early days. And

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<v Speaker 1>he in some ways sort of the face of the

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<v Speaker 1>mob that invaded the capital. So how is his lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>trying to portray him? Now? His lawyer is now arguing

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<v Speaker 1>that actually, this guy is a yoga loving, peace loving

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<v Speaker 1>person whose personal hero is Mohamma Gandhi. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>hear people say, you know, this person wouldn't hurt a fly. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The lawyer actually told me that he's heard from several

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<v Speaker 1>friends of his that rather than killing an insect, he'll

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<v Speaker 1>he'll pick it up and take it outside and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of release it back into the wild. But he's that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of peace loving person. Never mind that he's accused

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<v Speaker 1>of leaving a threatening note for tense at the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>days describe the range of charges for the different people

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the riot. So on the kind of minor end,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got just basic trespassing. You know, this person entered

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<v Speaker 1>a government building when they weren't allowed to, and that

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<v Speaker 1>includes people like Chancey who are photographed in the Senate chamber,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people who were maybe at the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the mob and just kind of followed the crowd inside

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<v Speaker 1>and who might actually be in the position to argue

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<v Speaker 1>that they didn't know what they were doing was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of on the minor end. On the more

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<v Speaker 1>serious end, you've got people who are accused of assault

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, launching a fire extinguisher at a group

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<v Speaker 1>of police officers, punching police officers, attacking reporters who are

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<v Speaker 1>based in the capitol healing government operaty. I mean, everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>seen the photos of one of the defendants out of

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson carrying off elect turns from Capitol building. There was

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<v Speaker 1>also a man who was in Nancy Policie's office and

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<v Speaker 1>took a letter from a desk. That kind of theft

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<v Speaker 1>is also being charged. And then members of the far

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<v Speaker 1>right group that Oathkeepers and have been charged with conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>to divert the democratic process. And that's the most serious

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<v Speaker 1>charge that we've seen, and we're expecting to see more

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<v Speaker 1>of those in the coming months. We're also expecting a

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<v Speaker 1>felony murder charge eventually related to death the police officer

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Sicnik, who is eye as the result of injuries

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<v Speaker 1>that he sustained at the Capitol. So we know that

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement is going through all these images and video,

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<v Speaker 1>our defense lawyers doing the same and what are they

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<v Speaker 1>looking for? Sure? Yeah, defense layers are absolutely doing the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. They're pouring through the video footage, news footage,

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<v Speaker 1>social media code. They're looking for evidence that might be exculpatory,

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<v Speaker 1>that might paint their clients in a more positive light. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, Jacob Chancelly's lawyer told me that he found

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<v Speaker 1>footage of Chancelly leading a prayer in the Capitol and

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<v Speaker 1>found footage of him urging other rioters to lead the

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<v Speaker 1>building and While that might not actually offend the prostitution's case,

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<v Speaker 1>it could certainly be helpful at the sentencing stage in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of persuading the judge that, you know, this person

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to do the right thing when they were

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<v Speaker 1>in the building. There's video of rioters in the act

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<v Speaker 1>of stealing things like the podium you mentioned, smashing windows,

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<v Speaker 1>throw things at police. It seems like it would be

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<v Speaker 1>very hard for a defense attorney to defend a client

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<v Speaker 1>in the face of video evidence like that, with the

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<v Speaker 1>job of the defense the pity to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a defense for basically anything, But yes, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to argue that somebody who was caught on

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<v Speaker 1>video smashing a window and then climbing through it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize that it was legal to trust ass or that

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<v Speaker 1>there was no intent to commit a crime in that action.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's basically an impossible case to argue. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be a tough position, and they're probably going

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<v Speaker 1>to be sense to prison, as they probably should be.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, defense players might try the same source

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<v Speaker 1>of tactics that we've been discussing, sort of creating a

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<v Speaker 1>narrative around their clients that paints them in a more

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<v Speaker 1>positive light, you know, puts their actions in context. They

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<v Speaker 1>might argue their client is showing remorse. They might try

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<v Speaker 1>to strike a deal with the prosecutors in which their

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<v Speaker 1>clients gives information on other people involved in the riot

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<v Speaker 1>and exchange for some sort of leniency. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>a range of things that depends players and trying to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in cases where it's totally clear cut that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>was breaking the law of the Capitol. Yeah, I expect

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be seeing a lot of plea deals

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<v Speaker 1>and co operators. Now, some people plan to use former

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump as a defense. How would that work? So

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<v Speaker 1>this is a legal concept known as the public authority defense,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the argument that somebody who was committing a

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<v Speaker 1>crime was just following orders from a government official. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a really sort of mundane example of this

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<v Speaker 1>might be if the mayor of a small town told

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<v Speaker 1>you to park in a certain place where actually parking

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<v Speaker 1>was not allowed and got in trouble, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>could argue that you were directed by a local government

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<v Speaker 1>official to do this. It's obviously a lot more more

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<v Speaker 1>complicated in the case of the capital riot. That basically

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<v Speaker 1>the argument would be that Trump when he got up

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<v Speaker 1>on the stage at the rally before the riot at

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<v Speaker 1>the Capitol and said fight harder and marched at the Capitol.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that was an explicit instruction to the protesters

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<v Speaker 1>who were gathered there to go invade the center of

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<v Speaker 1>American democracy. That would be the argument sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump made me do it defense. The fact that lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>for writers and Writers themselves are making that claim could

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<v Speaker 1>actually be helpful with Democrats as they make their case

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<v Speaker 1>in the impeachment trial where we're Trump has been charged

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<v Speaker 1>with with incitement of a mob, and so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a defense that many legal experts think is a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of obvious winner, but it's certainly a direction that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers thinking of going in. Has that defense ever worked

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation analogous to the Capital riot, That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good question. I actually don't know. Context which is often applied,

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, somebody doing undercover work for like the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA or some sort of intelligence gathering operation, and they

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<v Speaker 1>break the law that they're following orders from higher up

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<v Speaker 1>in the law enforcement capacity. That's the situation when it

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<v Speaker 1>might come into place. One of the people who might

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<v Speaker 1>be raising that defense is Richard Barnett, who also became

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<v Speaker 1>one of the poster boys of the riot because of

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of him sitting at a desk with his

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<v Speaker 1>feet up in Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office. I wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>his lawyer will frame the defense. Did Trump make him

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<v Speaker 1>put his feet up and leave an opscene note for Pelosi?

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<v Speaker 1>It seems pretty far fetched. Yes, on one level, does

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<v Speaker 1>seem far fetched because obviously Trump didn't get up there

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<v Speaker 1>and lay out the specific things that these people are

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<v Speaker 1>accused of doing and say do those things. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think defense lawyers would argue these are people who thought

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<v Speaker 1>that they were doing the president's bidding, that the election

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<v Speaker 1>has been stolen, and that the president of the US,

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<v Speaker 1>who has access to the Capitol, had told them to

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<v Speaker 1>go inside and cause some trouble. And again, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is unlikely to lead to acquittal, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>a factor that at the sentence stage could play a

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<v Speaker 1>role and be helpful for some of these people. I

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<v Speaker 1>found it fascinating that Barnett's bail hearing went on for

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<v Speaker 1>something like five hours and they talked about everything from

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<v Speaker 1>him being a kind person to rescuing a Pomeranian. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about that, Yeah, This was a pretty unusual bail

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<v Speaker 1>hearing that the magistrate in the Arizona who was overseeing it,

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<v Speaker 1>allowed Barnett's lawyer, Anthony Siano, to call a series of witnesses,

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<v Speaker 1>including Barnett's longtime partner and her mother and her daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of friends and acquaintances of Barnett. Basically, if

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<v Speaker 1>the lawyer is trying to paint a picture of Barnett

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<v Speaker 1>to counter the narrative in the media that this is

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of smug guy with its feed up on

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<v Speaker 1>Pelosi's death, no respect for the democratic process. He was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to paint Barnett as basically a good person who

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<v Speaker 1>has a solid family and who's honest and reliable and

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<v Speaker 1>who the judge could trust to kind of comply with

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<v Speaker 1>the terms of bail. And actually Siano was successful in

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<v Speaker 1>making that case at first, in Barnett was granted bail,

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<v Speaker 1>he was restricted to stay at home under pretty severe condition.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of a success that this strategy lawyers pursuing. But

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<v Speaker 1>then prosecutors appealed the ruling to the judge in Washington

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<v Speaker 1>was ultimately going to be overseeing the case, and that

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<v Speaker 1>judge blocked it and sent Barnett to jail and Washington

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<v Speaker 1>while the case received, and some of the defense attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>are going to try to show their clients didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the intent to commit a crime. Basically, all criminal charges

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<v Speaker 1>require proofs that somebody was intending to commit the crime,

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<v Speaker 1>and in most cases that's not hard to show. But

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of these rioting cases, you'll have social

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<v Speaker 1>media footage of somebody kind of milling around in the

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<v Speaker 1>Capitol rotunda, part of this mob. But if they were

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<v Speaker 1>at the back of the crowd and they entered through

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<v Speaker 1>the main doors, which eventually were flung wide open, and

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<v Speaker 1>the police weren't really doing anything and they just walked in,

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<v Speaker 1>they might be able to plausibly argue that they did

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<v Speaker 1>not intend to break the law, They did not realize

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<v Speaker 1>they're breaking the law, they were just following a crowd inside. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unclear whether that will work in the courtroom, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly prosecutors might point to things that writers said ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of time or even said after the riot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were photographed just milling out of the rotunda,

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<v Speaker 1>then later you posted on Facebook, yeah, we just laid

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<v Speaker 1>to each The Capitol prosecute as might say, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>person said they were laying siege. It clearly wasn't intent

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<v Speaker 1>to rap the laws. So it's not a defense that

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<v Speaker 1>will obviously work for everybody, but it's something that defense

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers have in their arsenals there preparing to argue these

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<v Speaker 1>cases describe the range of charges for the different people

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the riot. So on the kind of minor end,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got just basic trespassing. You know, this person entered

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<v Speaker 1>a government building when they weren't allowed to, and that

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<v Speaker 1>includes people like Chancey who are photographed in the Senate chamber,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people who were maybe at the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the mob and just kind of follow the crowd inside

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<v Speaker 1>and who might actually be in the position to argue

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<v Speaker 1>that they didn't know what they were doing was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of on the minor end. On the more

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<v Speaker 1>serious end, you've got people who are accused of the

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<v Speaker 1>assault of you know, launching a fire extinguisher at a

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<v Speaker 1>group of police officers, punching police officers, attacking recorders who

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<v Speaker 1>are based in the Capitol healing government operaty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's seen the photos of one of the defendants out

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<v Speaker 1>of Johnson carrying off a left turn from the Capital

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<v Speaker 1>building um. There was also a man who is in

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<v Speaker 1>anc Policie's office and took a letter from the death

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<v Speaker 1>That kind of theft is also being charged. And then

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<v Speaker 1>members of the far right group that Oathkeepers have been

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<v Speaker 1>charged with conspiracy to subvert the democratic process, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the most serious charge that we've seen, and we're expecting

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<v Speaker 1>to see more of those in the coming months. We're

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<v Speaker 1>also expecting a felony murder charge eventually related to death

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<v Speaker 1>the police officer Brian Sicknik, who has died as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of injuries that be sustained at accountable Prosecutors are

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<v Speaker 1>saying that they may upgrade the charges as time goes on. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they said that. I mean, it's not clear who has

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<v Speaker 1>already been charged might later be charged with something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether there are people that we don't know about

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<v Speaker 1>yet who they're investigating and might end up charging with

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy or subedition. But because certainly the direction that the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation is heading kind of away from these sort of

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<v Speaker 1>serious but not the most serious offenses to major investigations

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<v Speaker 1>into whether this riot was coordinated ahead of times. There

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<v Speaker 1>were serious planning involved between all right militia groups across

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<v Speaker 1>different states to pull us off. So the FBI estimates

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<v Speaker 1>that roughly eight hundred people entered the building. Apparently they're

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<v Speaker 1>debating within the Justice Department and law enforcement whether to

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<v Speaker 1>charge people with unlawful entry, who, as you've described, just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of we're part of the crowd and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that they did anything else. Yeah, there have been

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<v Speaker 1>reports that there's kind of internal debate at main Justice,

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<v Speaker 1>at the U. S Attorney's Office in Washington, which is

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<v Speaker 1>leading the investigation, over whether they charge everyone. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of people, some of them were hardly doing anything

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<v Speaker 1>even if they were in there. Others were attacking reporters

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<v Speaker 1>and police officers. So you know where does it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense to focus your prosecutorial energies, given that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to overwhelm the court system. So there have been

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<v Speaker 1>reports of that. UM, I would say Michael Sherwin, the

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<v Speaker 1>acting US Attorney in Washington, UM talked to reporters this

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<v Speaker 1>week and basically rebutted some of those reports, saying, if

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<v Speaker 1>you committed a crime, doesn't matter how minor it was,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to come after you. UM. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>certainly making the case that there's no debate. We have

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<v Speaker 1>total faith in the abilities of the local court system

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington to handle the surge of cases, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to arrest so many people as we can. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>With that said, you know, there are probably some people

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<v Speaker 1>who for whatever reason, will never be identified. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they happened not to have shown up in the video footage.

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<v Speaker 1>They were wearing a face mask and a and a

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<v Speaker 1>hat or something, and they just couldn't be identified. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the two people have been charged so far out of

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<v Speaker 1>out of eight hundred, you know, that's only only a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of the rioters. UM. And you know, one would

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<v Speaker 1>think that there's a you know, a not inconsiderable proportion

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who are in the capital will just

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<v Speaker 1>never be identified. Have you heard any time frames as

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<v Speaker 1>to how long it might take the FBI and the

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Department to find and charge these people? The yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to on in the just Forment have been

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear that, um, this could be a month long investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>especially as they start building these more complicated cases against

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<v Speaker 1>uh people who may have planned some sort of assault

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of time. It just takes a lot longer. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very easy to see a photo of Jacob Chansley

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<v Speaker 1>wearing this head dress on standing at the Senate day,

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<v Speaker 1>to find them on social media, put together a quick case,

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<v Speaker 1>and arrest them. That's easy to do, but building these

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<v Speaker 1>more complicated cases requires traditional tools of law enforce them,

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<v Speaker 1>like grandjuri subtenas and search warrants. It requires, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting people to talk to you about what somebody might

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<v Speaker 1>have been planning ahead of time. People, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going on Facebook and saying, yeah, I coordinated

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<v Speaker 1>this with this was of six people across these states

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<v Speaker 1>during this time frame. That's a much harder case to prove,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a sort of more significant and important case

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<v Speaker 1>than Look, here's some random guy who sort of wandered

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<v Speaker 1>into the Capitol. So yeah, I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be months before we see any kind of resolution today.

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<v Speaker 1>This is gonna be a major priority of the justice

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<v Speaker 1>forman for a long time. The siege was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassment for law enforcement agencies across the capital, even ones

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<v Speaker 1>that weren't directly involved in the security for this event,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a sense that they need to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>prove that they're taking it seriously and move as fast

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<v Speaker 1>and as aggressively as they can. So far, No one

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<v Speaker 1>has been arrested in connection with the killing of the

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<v Speaker 1>Capitol police officer, right, Yeah, we don't have a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of information on where that investigation stands. Every time we've

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<v Speaker 1>asked um Michael Sure in the U S. Attorney and

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<v Speaker 1>officials at the FBI who are involved in that investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>they've just said it's ongoing. We can't play anything. What

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<v Speaker 1>we do know is that the officer who died, Brian Sicnik,

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<v Speaker 1>was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher. He

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<v Speaker 1>was injured, he sort of made his way back to

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<v Speaker 1>police headquarters and he ended up dying later. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>still under investigation. I mean, any time the cop is killed,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a you know, a huge priority for law enforce

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<v Speaker 1>them to figure out what happened. So I'm sure we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see charges eventually, and the officials who are running investigation

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<v Speaker 1>have said to expect most likely a colony murder charge

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<v Speaker 1>in that case. Thanks David. That's Bloomberg Legal reporter David

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