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Speaker 1: days until we take onto this adventure that we're about
Speaker 1: to happen. We're kind of sailing along right now. We're
Speaker 1: just looking for land. When you put it, when you
Speaker 1: put it in terms of days, it sounds really close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But put it in terms of weeks, it's still six
Speaker 1: weeks away. Yeah, But it just feels like though we're
Speaker 1: starting to have, you know, the pro days are starting
Speaker 1: to kick Colorado, Alabama. Yeah. Somebody asked me on Twitter
Speaker 1: last night, and I mean, I have a ballpark. We
Speaker 1: don't know exactly when the thirty visits start, though, do
Speaker 1: we And it like the week of April generally April.
Speaker 1: They don't watch the week before the combine or the
Speaker 1: weeks I mean the week before the draft they stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's any of those first three. Ye us first three,
Speaker 1: So the end of March, they usually do them after
Speaker 1: everybody gets done with right in that way, all the
Speaker 1: scouts and they're off the road, the prods back of
Speaker 1: the facility. Yeah right, that's the voice of Dane Helman.
Speaker 1: David Hellman was speaking earlier k Dan Brugler. But I say,
Speaker 1: he said, Dane Hellman, damn you, Dane Burglar. David Hellman cash,
Speaker 1: I'll get this right one of these days. Kit Garrison,
Speaker 1: Executive producing today. Uh. I want to jump into something
Speaker 1: right now, real quick, do it. And it's not one
Speaker 1: of my rants. But no, you put together for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Morning News, you put together a Cowboy seven round
Speaker 1: mock draft. I didn't. And now that we have the
Speaker 1: comp picks, we have, the coin flips are done. We
Speaker 1: know the full one through two fifty six draft order.
Speaker 1: So cowboys sitting there with ten picks, chance to get better,
Speaker 1: all right? He teased last last show on Oh that's right,
Speaker 1: he teased that he's going to have a surprise pick
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys there at nineteen. So I'm interested to
Speaker 1: get into this. I want to hear. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Dan agrees with your assessment of surprise based on
Speaker 1: his face here, I don't know if I just don't
Speaker 1: feel like I have a feeling I knew who this
Speaker 1: guy is gonna be. I took my shot on Monday
Speaker 1: or Tuesday. I don't see if I was right. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you take it over there a steam scout
Speaker 1: and kind of walk us through what you did with
Speaker 1: your seven round mock draft. Now, though, the have to say,
Speaker 1: you know, Freedency's about to start, and that could change
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, it could change a lot of things
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, it's not going to change very much.
Speaker 1: They're gonna draft players, So go ahead, go ahead and
Speaker 1: go through this mon much to the chagrin of all
Speaker 1: of their faces. You have to say that though you
Speaker 1: never know, Earl Tom never know, alright, so go away
Speaker 1: picks you okay with that? Yes, yeah, he's your Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. Uh, let's go to the seven round mock,
Speaker 1: first round nineteen. Overall, I didn't do any trades, just
Speaker 1: keep it simple, keep it chalk. Coming out of the combine,
Speaker 1: I would put it at fifty fifty. I'm liking my
Speaker 1: odds here that this player is gonna be at nineteen
Speaker 1: and just I know what he's gonna say. I just
Speaker 1: do I just go, just say please. With the first
Speaker 1: pick in the twenty eighteen NFL Draft for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: the nineteen overall, they'd take Calvin Ridley. Yes, sail Obama.
Speaker 1: And I didn't look for whatever that's worth. I did
Speaker 1: not look at this and look, hey, we know this
Speaker 1: team has not touched the top three of their wide
Speaker 1: receiver depth chart the last five years have not touched it.
Speaker 1: And it's it's about time to make some upgrades. It's
Speaker 1: about time that they just infuse some young talent to
Speaker 1: help out your quarterback, help about that offense, helped put
Speaker 1: points on the board. Calvin Ridley can do that. And look,
Speaker 1: I get it. He didn't have the greatest jumps at
Speaker 1: the combine. He ran a four four three for me,
Speaker 1: a sub seven second three cone drill. The biggest concerns
Speaker 1: with Ridley remain the same. He's one hundred and ninety pounds.
Speaker 1: I worry about, you know, taking hits along the sideline,
Speaker 1: going over the middle. Just that does worry me a
Speaker 1: little bit. But at nineteen, I feel great. I mean,
Speaker 1: and the biggest difference, you know, some people will say, well,
Speaker 1: it's a deep wide receiver group, wait till the second round. Sure,
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley is going to start from day one. I mean,
Speaker 1: at least that's my That's part of the appeal of
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley in the first round. He helps you right away.
Speaker 1: You know, with a player like James Washington or you know,
Speaker 1: some of these other second round options, there's a question
Speaker 1: about how early they'll be able to contribute. I don't
Speaker 1: have that question with Calvin Ridley. I think he's a
Speaker 1: day one player. This goes back to you know, we
Speaker 1: say this all the time. I've been saying since January.
Speaker 1: You start out with an idea of these players, and
Speaker 1: then you know, by now you have a completely different idea.
Speaker 1: We were saying in January that Calvin Ridley was a
Speaker 1: pipe dream, but just the chatter and the workouts and
Speaker 1: it all kind of starts to come together. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a's not a it's not a safe bet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I can at least talk myself into thinking that
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley would be there, and if he is, I
Speaker 1: think they would heavily consider. You're totally okay with that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, tomato tomato I've made my opinions
Speaker 1: about wide receiver very clear, but I would applaud that pick.
Speaker 1: I don't have real quick Daine, for what you know
Speaker 1: about guys that were taken in last year's draft in
Speaker 1: the first round. How do you feel about Ridley as compared.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking to compare them to every single guy,
Speaker 1: damn it, but there's some of them we got. We
Speaker 1: gotta twitter questions. Okay, we'll save that for that, save
Speaker 1: that for them. Let me ask you real quick what
Speaker 1: just put a ballpark percentage chance on what you think
Speaker 1: if you think the Cowboys will draft a wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the top three rounds this year. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's like I think, I think you're seventy five percent absolutely,
Speaker 1: yeah before free agency? Yeah yeah, I think so. I
Speaker 1: think i'd go like eighty percent. I think they're I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna do anything their poss and power, like
Speaker 1: you said, to help the quarterback. And if a rop
Speaker 1: receivers on the board there at nineteen, all right, good
Speaker 1: pick us. Okay, going to round two again, no trade
Speaker 1: fifty fifty overall. I will have second day coverage for
Speaker 1: you on that Friday. This one, this is a little trickier.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, they went off. It's in the first round.
Speaker 1: In the first round, I'm going defense. In the second round,
Speaker 1: there was a two thousand and ten they drafted a
Speaker 1: big ten linebacker. Worked out pretty pretty pretty well two
Speaker 1: To be fair, they've drafted a lot of big ten linebackers,
Speaker 1: but in the second round. But you're talking about a
Speaker 1: very specific one in the second round, right yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, let's go back to the big ten the
Speaker 1: second round. Josie Jewel Jewel, y'all's guy, he's this is
Speaker 1: just the Dane pet Cat draft right here. So this
Speaker 1: is what you should do, surelading for this draft right now,
Speaker 1: you've plug him in at the mic. Yeah, Jalen's you're
Speaker 1: Sam John lose your will and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: and Anthony Hitchins you know, one eyewa linebacker route one
Speaker 1: eyewa linebacker in Yeah, and you're set. I mean, you
Speaker 1: feel good about you're all of a sudden linebacker which
Speaker 1: was an issue. Yes, you know you're an injury away
Speaker 1: from him it being an issue again, but at least
Speaker 1: you feel good about the player you were bringing in
Speaker 1: and again a day one starter. That's another you know
Speaker 1: some people might say, hey, wait till the third round.
Speaker 1: I don't think Josi Jewel makes it eighty one, and
Speaker 1: part of the appeal at fifty he starts from day one.
Speaker 1: I have to make the determination if I wanted one
Speaker 1: Alabama player over another, maybe at nineteen if it was Evans.
Speaker 1: You know, now does Evans kick me in another direction?
Speaker 1: I mean, now, does Dane turn around and nab a receiver.
Speaker 1: That's keep an eye on that for the Cowboys if
Speaker 1: they go receiver first and turn around and go linebacker second,
Speaker 1: or it could be the other way around. You understand
Speaker 1: what real quick will wuld you rather have Ridley Jewel
Speaker 1: or Evans gallop Ridley Jewel? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: I would too. But I'm just saying keep an eye
Speaker 1: on that. Okay. We flipped down to pick Well, that's
Speaker 1: the same conversation we had a million times last year.
Speaker 1: I think that's one or the other. Yeah, can go
Speaker 1: one or the other. I really really do so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I like that. I like Josie Jewel as a
Speaker 1: as that pick there. I don't look at the time,
Speaker 1: look at the watch the player, watch the tape, watch
Speaker 1: the tape, just just not against Juan Barkley. Oh, though
Speaker 1: he embarrassed a lot of people. Though, Yeah, Josie Jules
Speaker 1: a fine player. I mean, you put as many guys
Speaker 1: in the field that can tackle. Jewel could tackle, Lee,
Speaker 1: could tackle. Good philosopher, and we've seen and we've seen
Speaker 1: whatever you have to do with Jalen Smith. Late in
Speaker 1: the year, he was tackling a little bit better. So yeah,
Speaker 1: why not let's go. Okay, third round pick eighty one,
Speaker 1: stick in the big ten. We've replaced two starters here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have stick in the Big ten. But let's go
Speaker 1: to offense. I know a lot of fans aren't on
Speaker 1: board with a tight end in the top one hundred,
Speaker 1: but in this tight end class plenty of talent. Ian
Speaker 1: Thomas from Indiana. There you go a guy who doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be a starter from day one. Obviously, Jason
Speaker 1: Wenton's holding that down at least for this year, maybe
Speaker 1: you know, for the next two years, maybe more. Who knows.
Speaker 1: He's entering his year thirty six season, thirty six years
Speaker 1: old season. But Ian Thomas, as you project him forward,
Speaker 1: who are we talking to? It is Prisco. We're sitting
Speaker 1: there talking with Pete Prisco. Yeah, we were talking about
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas, how it wouldn't be a shock if you know,
Speaker 1: we look back at this draft four years from now
Speaker 1: and Ian Thomas is the best tight end from this group.
Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with that. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of Ian Thomas. And if you can get him in
Speaker 1: the third round, develop him and starting in you know,
Speaker 1: he can help you out in two and eighteen. But
Speaker 1: really you're drafting him for twenty nineteen and beyond. I
Speaker 1: don't love it. But if you're gonna do it, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, third round more palatable than first or second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think though, what I like him over, say,
Speaker 1: give me some guys that are like defensive tackles. Would
Speaker 1: the naughty n would that? Would that be a different
Speaker 1: direction you would go. Maybe. I'm just trying to think
Speaker 1: of guys that i've kind of, you know, the type.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with Ian Thomas. I think
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. I think Dane's got him
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I just wonder on that board, am I
Speaker 1: looking at the defensive? Am I looking at the safety?
Speaker 1: Maybe two there? You know, if you're gonna move Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: is there a safety, you like, I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: cheerlead all day for that kid at Tennessee. I think
Speaker 1: he's a safety. I'm gonna cheerlead for the wake Forest
Speaker 1: kid Bates. You know Bates will be gone by eight
Speaker 1: yeah one? Right? Well, yeah, where would you take Crookshank?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, that's a strong safety right there
Speaker 1: that can tackle. I mean, I know he's kind of
Speaker 1: rose up the boards. I got Edmonds, the Terrell Edmonds
Speaker 1: from Virginia Tech. How about White from West Virginia would
Speaker 1: be a guy. I know you probably don't have him
Speaker 1: that high, but I mean, again, that's but I'm okay
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 1: some other names that I might go another direction with.
Speaker 1: I like, I like what you're saying. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with Ian Thomas as a player. I just
Speaker 1: have a problem with wasting a high draft pick sitting
Speaker 1: behind Jason Witten for the time being and just well,
Speaker 1: depending on what they do too. With We've kind of
Speaker 1: hearing some whispering about what they're gonna do with James Hannah,
Speaker 1: maybe salary related cut. Even then, you've also got the
Speaker 1: team two. We need to see something from Rico Gathers.
Speaker 1: I know that, you know, you're not around the team
Speaker 1: every day like we are. But Gathers and at training
Speaker 1: camp did some good things and then he got hurt.
Speaker 1: So is that a possibility? But yeah, Ian Thomas at
Speaker 1: eighty one is not a bad player. And one of
Speaker 1: the players you mentioned just now, just you rambled through
Speaker 1: a bunch of names. One of those players is the
Speaker 1: picket in the fourth round at one sixteen. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: uh so, all right, so you're telling him we can
Speaker 1: have our cake and eat it too. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I try to make this as realistic as possible, yet
Speaker 1: it always do You didn't, you didn't just do the
Speaker 1: fans speak where you're drafting like Tremaine Edmonds in the
Speaker 1: fourth round? Four first round picks? Go ahead, No, in
Speaker 1: the fourth round at one sixteen, and I have the
Speaker 1: Cowboys taking Folly to tackle from yukon the defensive tackle who.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the round of possibility
Speaker 1: that he's there at one sixteen. I think we both
Speaker 1: agree we have third round grades on him. Yep. Sure
Speaker 1: would not shock me at all if he's there. I
Speaker 1: mean I got him right there with naughty and with Settle.
Speaker 1: Those are my guys right there and those so, uh,
Speaker 1: he's a good player. That would be a good pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's your one technique. Now again, he's got
Speaker 1: some traits, but it's not taking a first round one technique,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Taking a guy that has
Speaker 1: a little has a little flexibility to him inside. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good idea. That would still be a
Speaker 1: departure from what they usually do because typically you're talking
Speaker 1: six and seventh rounders for one. I think they need
Speaker 1: to change that philosophy a little bit. Oh. I got
Speaker 1: asking Will McClay and Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones to
Speaker 1: completely abandon everything they do because I felt like they've
Speaker 1: drafted pretty well. But you need to look at these kids.
Speaker 1: That's why I mentioned him in the third round, Dane.
Speaker 1: I was trying to say, Okay, who are the third
Speaker 1: round other than the end? But you came back to
Speaker 1: me and maybe the argument that they have in the
Speaker 1: war room is if we knacked this, if we take
Speaker 1: this tight end, now, we are going to come back
Speaker 1: and get one of these defensive tackles. Get ready, get ready, boys,
Speaker 1: We'll just follow him whatever whatever's going down that board.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on who the best defensive tackle is
Speaker 1: up there, because we're gonna hit him at one sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's okay, go ahead, Well two fourth round picks
Speaker 1: one thirty seven. You mentioned safety possible need, Joshua Kalou
Speaker 1: from Nebraska. Ah, this is a new name. Former corner
Speaker 1: moved to safety, who headed up and down season. But
Speaker 1: you like the traits. Yes, he has a physical appetite
Speaker 1: with the way he plays. Uh, he can be that
Speaker 1: big nickel defender and grow into a free safety role.
Speaker 1: I think you project him down the line as a
Speaker 1: starter at free safety. So Kalue the second pick in
Speaker 1: the fourth round, better than Watts or those kind of
Speaker 1: guys I'm talking about. Or's Wat's gone? I mentioned White
Speaker 1: West Virginia Watts. Yeah, I mean I haven't seen Kalu yet.
Speaker 1: You're ahead of me on the game here. I need
Speaker 1: to study that. Wats is probably ahead. I assumed he'd
Speaker 1: be off the board, Okay, I worked with more of
Speaker 1: a foot war five prospects rather than a three four. Okay,
Speaker 1: does that follow him with Trey Flowers? Is that kind
Speaker 1: of in that line of thinking then? Or is that Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got Flowers a little bit farther down. Okay, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's fine. He would be in the mix with Tracy
Speaker 1: Walker from the Cocquisiana m Jeremy Reeves, South Alabama seeing
Speaker 1: him not a bad player, but but a fourth fifth
Speaker 1: round got you and that camp picks at the end
Speaker 1: of the fourth round, So okay, got you? So your
Speaker 1: safety gets hit there at the at the camp pick four.
Speaker 1: What was the number on that pick? One thirty seven?
Speaker 1: Thank you very much? Okay, fifth round. Two picks in
Speaker 1: the fifth round one seventy one and one seventy three,
Speaker 1: with the first pick at one seventy one, going back
Speaker 1: to offense, getting a running back than I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: when are we getting my third round? My third running back?
Speaker 1: I like it? Go for it a guy you probably
Speaker 1: have heard of, Darryl Williams. Uh game, Why are you
Speaker 1: trying to make me so happy this morning? It's came
Speaker 1: in here determined to be in a bad mood. You're
Speaker 1: not letting it like him? You know, he's starting the
Speaker 1: shadows behind Fournett and guys, and I like it. He's
Speaker 1: ready to break out and be uh fifth round right stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 1: any any down you want him to play you can
Speaker 1: you know, you want to serve a third down role,
Speaker 1: you wanna play on first down. You can do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. That's probably one of those guys. It's on
Speaker 1: the board. It is probably a little higher, and we're like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we got this tag sitting there. Let's not ignore that tag.
Speaker 1: You know, that's where you start talking about this stuff.
Speaker 1: I can talk my I have no problem believing Darryl
Speaker 1: Williams will be there at pick one seventy three. But
Speaker 1: it's a mistake by the NFL if he is, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, like they made a mistake on that kid
Speaker 1: at Tennessee that Saint's got, mister Kamara exactly. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: let's pick one seventy one, one seventy three. Going back
Speaker 1: to defense. Uh, developmental pass rusher aid a runa from Tulane. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just rotten raid in Louisiana this or this round.
Speaker 1: A guy born in Nigeria came over to play college
Speaker 1: or to play college basketball. Right, football coaches got one
Speaker 1: look at him and said, no, you're you're coming over here?
Speaker 1: Played only one season high school. Uh, you see the
Speaker 1: traits and there needs to play wide. Stick him in there,
Speaker 1: don't play him is a head up five till to
Speaker 1: lane moved to a three man front. Yeah, he's playing
Speaker 1: at he's playing like a base in. Don't do that
Speaker 1: with this kid, Move him wide six five. I got
Speaker 1: got the things right here, Hold on just a second here,
Speaker 1: So he's I mean, this is yourself just rawer than sushi,
Speaker 1: is what you're telling me here? He is, but he's
Speaker 1: got he's got the ability to get the edge. He
Speaker 1: really really see the field. He shouldn't see meaningful snaps
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Sure, yeah, so well yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: could make a mean comment about last year's draft, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to. That's that's good. Um so yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's very, very raw. It doesn't really know what
Speaker 1: he's doing. But six zero four five two sixty two. Uh,
Speaker 1: how about the speed right here of the average of
Speaker 1: four six three? Not bad for traslayer. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: Only like twelve sacks over thirty four starts. Didn't have
Speaker 1: the greatest production. But again he was played out of
Speaker 1: position when they went to the don't play mus a
Speaker 1: head up now they went to like a three man front.
Speaker 1: It was bad, bad situation for him. Put this guy
Speaker 1: in the wide nine Adrian claymarn go. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: some traits. You're absolutely right, all right, I like that.
Speaker 1: Seven picks or seven picks in again, no trades or anything,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna pick all ten. Two picks in the
Speaker 1: sixth round went back to offense offensive line. Haven't drafted
Speaker 1: an offensive linement yet to this point, right, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: have not get some depth, maybe a swing tackle, maybe
Speaker 1: a guy that can help you out to guard Nick
Speaker 1: Gates from Nebraska, second Nebraska player off I got a
Speaker 1: fifth round on my board. Corn Husker heavy draft here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tanner Lee's next quarterback. No, it's not like whoa now Gates.
Speaker 1: He was a left tackle for the Huskers. But you
Speaker 1: can play him inside. Yeah, probably were his best you know,
Speaker 1: smaller area, a better chance for him to succeed, but
Speaker 1: he needs some work with his strength, his technique. Another
Speaker 1: guy that you can think you can develop and he
Speaker 1: can be something for you at some point in his
Speaker 1: rookie year and then moving forward. Yeah, but I thought
Speaker 1: he was a much I thought he was a good athlete.
Speaker 1: He is kind of walking watching him, you know, body control, balance,
Speaker 1: I can use a better punch you're talking about to speed,
Speaker 1: but you know, tends to give up the inside. That's
Speaker 1: where your strength comes in though. But I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with you on the ability you know with him, but
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes guys get the corner on him, but
Speaker 1: he manages to recover, you know. I mean that shows
Speaker 1: a little bit about his athletic ability there. So right,
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, next pick. I'm gonna need some help
Speaker 1: with this last name o Western Kentucky linebacker. Are you
Speaker 1: taking a look at him yet? I've watched the Western
Speaker 1: Kentucky quarterback that look pretty good yesterday with last name
Speaker 1: white White. It's a good quarterback on defense Joel eya
Speaker 1: boo kneeway from Western Kentucky. If Dan doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to pronounce, to watch this. Okay, I'm looking, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it spelled out right now and yeah that's I
Speaker 1: think he did about as good as anybody could ask.
Speaker 1: When you're eating alphabet soup and you look down, yeah
Speaker 1: that's what it looks, you know it was he buy Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: once again trades guy traits in the sixth seventh round.
Speaker 1: Yeah again yeah, trades guy who he ran well. Uh
Speaker 1: and this past year for Western Kentucky. He had over
Speaker 1: a hundred tackles. Yea, you know there's some This backfield
Speaker 1: vision needs some work. Uh. He tends to overpursue some
Speaker 1: things he needs to work on, but he projects. I
Speaker 1: don't see him as a future starter, but he at
Speaker 1: least has some traits where you feel comfortable bringing depth
Speaker 1: to the linebacker group. Uh. Probably best in the week side.
Speaker 1: So but I think he can provide as a rookie
Speaker 1: some death I got it Western Kentucky says it's pronounced
Speaker 1: eya buny way, which is actually way easier. It looks yeah, eya,
Speaker 1: there's a g in there, but you don't Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't even bother with yeah. Okay, So that's just six
Speaker 1: pick at two O eight or six round pick at
Speaker 1: two O eight, final pick, seventh round, two thirty six.
Speaker 1: I went back to offense. Why not draft a quarterback?
Speaker 1: There you go. Chase Lytton from Marshall, the Thundering Herd
Speaker 1: junior here came out early. Who he's like the East
Speaker 1: Coast version of Josh Allen, where the physical traits are arm,
Speaker 1: got the big arm. He's a tall, lanky kid. Uh,
Speaker 1: not at the same athlete as Josh Allen. But it's
Speaker 1: not a statue either. Um, he can some of his throws.
Speaker 1: You watch his highlights and you wonder why he's not
Speaker 1: a second round pick. When you watch the full film,
Speaker 1: then you're okay, yeah, that's why he's a late rounder.
Speaker 1: But he's he's very young. Um, the interviews will be
Speaker 1: important for him. Just see where he is in his development.
Speaker 1: Should have went back to school for a senior year,
Speaker 1: but decided to leave early. At this point in the
Speaker 1: seventh round, take take a chance on a physically gifted
Speaker 1: quarterback to see which you can we can develop him
Speaker 1: into with his measurables. The tape, the tape must be something.
Speaker 1: If he's still a seventh round pick at six six
Speaker 1: with an arm, with a big arm, it's all over
Speaker 1: the but the tapes all over the place. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: I can show you clips where he's just he's missing
Speaker 1: screens by five yards. It's just he needs mechanics. Everything
Speaker 1: he needs built up. But he has what you can't teach.
Speaker 1: That's you know, the size, the arm strength. Um. And again,
Speaker 1: seventh round quarterbacks, the lottery tickets give it a go.
Speaker 1: Funlottle project for Kellen Moore can you get this straft
Speaker 1: will be on Dallas Cowboy Stack. I mean see me
Speaker 1: Dallas Morning News. Yes, yes, it is on the Sunday edition.
Speaker 1: Is that we're looking at. I think I just posted
Speaker 1: this today and say it's it's out right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, you could go and check it out on
Speaker 1: on Dane's Twitter and you can get the full rundown
Speaker 1: on that. Check out. Those guys tell me what I
Speaker 1: did wrong. There's a couple of guys that don't worry.
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Speaker 1: I and I get it's a mock draft. I understand,
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Speaker 1: the thing I always appreciated about the way you do
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Speaker 1: how you know, this is one possibility of a realistic
Speaker 1: way it could play out. And look if it played
Speaker 1: out like this. And I'm a Cowboys fan, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: pretty darn games. I need to watch that safety from Nebraska. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do that, is Gay told me I need I
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Speaker 1: Dane's beast that will get you covered up for this draft. Okay,
Speaker 1: David Helmet, give me a little twitter on the twitter.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. So I cut you off in the first
Speaker 1: segment because I loved this question that we got. So
Speaker 1: we'll start out with that, um billy uh he and
Speaker 1: I directing this probably more so at Dane than US two.
Speaker 1: But he said, where would you rank Calvin Ridley and
Speaker 1: DJ Moore among the other top receivers that was going
Speaker 1: to come from the last three years? And I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you know this anyway, but I went and
Speaker 1: looked just to help you out. Last year you had
Speaker 1: Mike Williams one and Corey Davis two. Year before that
Speaker 1: it was Laquon Treadwell one and Corey Coleman two. And
Speaker 1: then before that it was a Marie Cooper and Kevin White. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so how did they stack up with those three years
Speaker 1: worth of guys, which, yeah, basically none of them have well,
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. But when you stack wor receivers and you
Speaker 1: talk about ranking them, it's tough because like with Ridley,
Speaker 1: like I don't think he's a future number one. I
Speaker 1: think he's a future high in number two. But a
Speaker 1: guy like Laquon Treadwell, we projected him as number one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, sorry I didn't mean Olympian, but oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we know we looked at him as a potential number one. UM,
Speaker 1: and so that inflated his draft grade a little bit. UM.
Speaker 1: Last year with Mike Williams and uh oh the Western
Speaker 1: Michigan kid Davis, Yeah, it more injuries than anything. They
Speaker 1: both went top seven, which I don't think none of
Speaker 1: us saw that happened. I thought maybe one wide receiver.
Speaker 1: And then John Ross going nine to the Bengals. So
Speaker 1: three in the top ten. That's tough because I think
Speaker 1: there's there's so different than what they offer. I think
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley would probably be uh you know, right there
Speaker 1: with with like a Mike Williams in my rankings, um
Speaker 1: like Sam Maary Cooper. And that's an interesting comparison because
Speaker 1: you know Alabama, Mary Cooper's a little bigger. So I
Speaker 1: think Mary Cooper had to hire grade. But Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: is not far behind him. All these wide receivers are
Speaker 1: so different, and I think, again, what separates Ridley is
Speaker 1: he's NFL ready because of his route running, and that's
Speaker 1: that's a lot of these receivers. We can't say that
Speaker 1: about Nut. You couldn't say that about Treadwell, couldn't say
Speaker 1: that about last year with Mike Williams, Uh, Corey Davis.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a bad route runner, you know, he's more
Speaker 1: polished than a lot of these guys. But Ridley, that's
Speaker 1: what really separates him, and so it makes it tough
Speaker 1: to stack him. I remember Davis just every ball that
Speaker 1: seemed to go to him with some spectacular and there
Speaker 1: was underneath route sideline something to play. Yeah. Absolutely, every
Speaker 1: I mean everything about him was just special. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that these were receivers that have been drafted have not
Speaker 1: had the success. And I know people say, okay, well
Speaker 1: you have to learn, you have to do this, have
Speaker 1: to do that, but I was expecting a lot more
Speaker 1: from those guys. Well, like like Dave said, injuries was
Speaker 1: to say, well, I mean with everybody except probably Laquon
Speaker 1: and well now Coleman said injuries too. I mean Coleman,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the biggest thing. Williams, Davis and White
Speaker 1: all have I mean barely. Even Kevin White hasn't had
Speaker 1: a career. He can't stay in the field at all.
Speaker 1: It's really unfortunate. Yeah, Corey Coleman, he's it was a
Speaker 1: hand last year. He can't stay on the field. That's
Speaker 1: so far up to this point, that's been a bus
Speaker 1: for the Browns. Yeah, it's It makes you kind of
Speaker 1: think twice about a receiver early just because of how
Speaker 1: things have turned out. But you can't let that creep
Speaker 1: into your mind. You have to just do. You have
Speaker 1: to judge the player for who he is and not
Speaker 1: go based on what Kevin White would happen to him
Speaker 1: in Chicago. See that my expectations for this group is
Speaker 1: not as high as it has been in the past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree. I mean, and maybe these kids will
Speaker 1: not to be better players. Yeah, maybe they'll turn out
Speaker 1: to be you know, they come in and you will
Speaker 1: see some guys that do a little bit better job.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm with you on that though. Really
Speaker 1: some interesting current events today. I'm sure y'all saw Darius
Speaker 1: Geiss was asked at the combine if he was attracted
Speaker 1: to men by an NFL team. I don't think we
Speaker 1: know the question, but Randall asked, I mean sensitive subject matter.
Speaker 1: There's I mean, there's plenty of people weighing in about it.
Speaker 1: It's you know, controversial topic, and you know, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on those types of questions? It seems highly
Speaker 1: inappropriate to me, and I mean, I know it is.
Speaker 1: It is an interesting line though, because like you want
Speaker 1: to find out and I mean, you know, if a
Speaker 1: guy had you know, let's say, domestic violence in his past,
Speaker 1: like you want to know about that, you want to know,
Speaker 1: you know, remember keeping it with LSU running backs, Jeremy
Speaker 1: Hill had a lot of questions to answer about his past.
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, at least, this is a little
Speaker 1: more delicate, a little more private. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: something that needs to be a guy needs to be
Speaker 1: getting grilled about. But I'm just I guess y'all's thoughts
Speaker 1: about I just me and all my experience of sitting
Speaker 1: in there and interviewing guys, I would have never asked
Speaker 1: that question. I do remember players. If a player brought
Speaker 1: it up, I think it's fair game. I remember it
Speaker 1: was a it was a cornerback that you know, said hey,
Speaker 1: you know I get I mean, he was basically tell me.
Speaker 1: He's got a drinking problem. I mean a real drinking problem.
Speaker 1: He says, you know, I just can't I can't kick
Speaker 1: this and and all that and I and that's when
Speaker 1: the questions become, have you tried to get help if
Speaker 1: you you know what as the university done anything for you?
Speaker 1: You know, And then I totally think it's fair game.
Speaker 1: Then I wouldn't take that plan of attack of asking.
Speaker 1: And I can speak from experience. I have a gay brother,
Speaker 1: and so my tolerance for people that that you know,
Speaker 1: have that phobia or whatever, you know, I'm I think
Speaker 1: everybody has their own lives and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: you know, you lead your life, you do the best
Speaker 1: you can, and you'd be as productive as you can.
Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit more sensitive to the plight
Speaker 1: of my brother. Sure, so I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't go that route because I wouldn't question. I mean,
Speaker 1: my brother, his partner is a tremendous man, and it
Speaker 1: was an executive with Shell Oil, and you know, a
Speaker 1: great guy. But I just feel like, in this setting,
Speaker 1: though you areguing these guys a lot of money, I
Speaker 1: think there's questions at our fair game. But I just
Speaker 1: don't think that's one of the Well, it's not something
Speaker 1: in the workplace that you can ask in an interview,
Speaker 1: and I think that I think that's I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: keep talking about this, but it kind of means something
Speaker 1: to me. I just feel like, though you know, these
Speaker 1: are job interviews, they really are. You're trying to find
Speaker 1: out about the employee you're potentially gonna have and so,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you can go that line. If
Speaker 1: laws protect you in the workplace, laws should also protect you.
Speaker 1: And a shame for the guys or the team that
Speaker 1: asked that question. We should know better than that. We
Speaker 1: should be better with our questioning than than asking those
Speaker 1: types of questions. Yeah, I mean, I agree with what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Um, you don't have to agree with what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm my personal experience. I guess my only
Speaker 1: thing is and I'm not saying that the line of
Speaker 1: questioning was right. What I'm saying is from a scouts perspective,
Speaker 1: you want to you don't want to any surprises. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, when when you draft a player, when you
Speaker 1: invest especially a first round pick, if you had invest
Speaker 1: in a player, you don't want any surprises. In you know,
Speaker 1: six months, and you know that a team might be
Speaker 1: completely okay with it, but they just they don't want
Speaker 1: that surprise. And so but that does bring up the
Speaker 1: you know, is it is it appropriate or not to
Speaker 1: ask the question? The NFL has been clear with what
Speaker 1: they said. They came out and said it's an inappropriate
Speaker 1: line of questioning. And it'll be interesting to see what
Speaker 1: the NFL does from here if they take any action.
Speaker 1: Is they're going to be an investigation to find out
Speaker 1: who asked it, what team and just try to make
Speaker 1: an example of someone so it doesn't happen again. I
Speaker 1: just feel like though that to me, that's a question
Speaker 1: you can ask on the side. Okay, in that setting,
Speaker 1: you know, are they are they trying to are they
Speaker 1: trying to confirm a rumor? You know that somebody at
Speaker 1: LSU tell them that, hey, that Darius guysy. I mean,
Speaker 1: is there a way to handle that other than in
Speaker 1: that setting? And well, my big thing is he pulled
Speaker 1: the guy aside. I get. I get that you don't
Speaker 1: want to make it a formal question in that setting.
Speaker 1: I get that you don't want to surprise on something
Speaker 1: you're investing so heavily and but you know, to your
Speaker 1: point about the drinking problem or domestic violence, right, those
Speaker 1: are surprises that's going to keep this guy off the
Speaker 1: field what he decides to do in his personal life,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of who he you know, whatever, Right,
Speaker 1: that doesn't really affect him as a football player. If
Speaker 1: if it comes to the light and you've got a
Speaker 1: lot more news crews at your facility because of it,
Speaker 1: I get it, distractions and all that stupid crap that
Speaker 1: football coaches say. But like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if if you like the guy enough to draft him,
Speaker 1: sorry if you have to deal with that. But I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's a big enough deal that you
Speaker 1: need to be dragging that out in a job interview.
Speaker 1: I mean, that would never happen in any other industry.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sitting in at a bar in Costa
Speaker 1: Rica one day and this is not going to be
Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah, I would agree. I mean I look
Speaker 1: forward to that day preferably in your lifetime. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: look forward to the day where you know, everybody's just
Speaker 1: you know, we're all we're all good with each other,
Speaker 1: we're all good. We're just trying to trying to do
Speaker 1: the best we can and hopefully that'll happen. I dig it, Brian,
Speaker 1: I dig that. Um more football based, Dominic. I really
Speaker 1: like this. We're not going to ask that question, by
Speaker 1: the way, We're not gonna ask that question when we
Speaker 1: get into it. Oh when we have our own team,
Speaker 1: We're not going to do that. When we run, we're
Speaker 1: gonna find about these players, but we're gonna do it
Speaker 1: the right way. Right. UM. I really like this question
Speaker 1: your next team. It's basically Dominic is basically asking how
Speaker 1: the talent stacks up in this draft. To the point
Speaker 1: of mock draft you just did. He doesn't want names,
Speaker 1: but just based on what you know about the talent
Speaker 1: in this draft and how it stacks what would your
Speaker 1: ideal picks be at nineteen and fifty position? I don't
Speaker 1: care about the player I with do that? Didn't we
Speaker 1: kind of thought, like, man, yeah, we sever and a
Speaker 1: linebacker would be ideal. Dave just kind of said, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: we just let's look at our board. We just feeled
Speaker 1: to two starting positions right right there? Is that your
Speaker 1: preferred order? And we I know we talked about that
Speaker 1: in the first segment, but we'd say that this receiver
Speaker 1: class is so deep. If I told you to Ley
Speaker 1: was on the board, what if I told what if
Speaker 1: I told you the linebacker at nineteen was Roquan Smith,
Speaker 1: he changed your mind. Let's go qu He's higher on
Speaker 1: my board too, So yeah, let's take the better player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think to me that the thing that we did
Speaker 1: something for our shows for the Blitz that was talking
Speaker 1: about if the positions were wiped out, Dane and this
Speaker 1: was a wiped out call was for guards, And I
Speaker 1: think you're okay on a wipeout guard. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: the most reluctant yeah of all. No, but but okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if it was I mean, I know
Speaker 1: you'll probably say, Okay, well, who are the other who's
Speaker 1: the other receivers on the board, who are the other
Speaker 1: linebackers on the board. Who the defensive tackles that are
Speaker 1: on the board. Well, And what I'm hoping is that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do something in free agency where we don't
Speaker 1: need to be talking about. You know, if they they
Speaker 1: add that Jonathan Cooper come on back too. Better than
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper, but you can get someone that is established
Speaker 1: in this league. He's not going to cost you an
Speaker 1: arm and a leg who can be a band aid,
Speaker 1: and the offensive line would be just fine, and that
Speaker 1: eliminates offensive line for you in the first round. That
Speaker 1: would be my hope. So we don't have that dragon
Speaker 1: on and I just have a tough time envisioning a
Speaker 1: scenario where it's that much wiped out where I'd water
Speaker 1: an offensive line in there. I think there should be
Speaker 1: at least someone there i'd feel comfortable with. Would you
Speaker 1: take the linebacker from Alabama over the two and over
Speaker 1: any of the guards in the first round? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I would. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't like that guy. I mean, yeah, it's happening to
Speaker 1: be one of those picks. When it happens at night, team,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna look at each other and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a vander esh No, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: me and Brian are gonna leave you to do this alone.
Speaker 1: If that's the pick, well, I'm gonna have to walk
Speaker 1: out and go down to the store to get my jersey,
Speaker 1: my number forty. I thought you're like your victory cigar.
Speaker 1: Yeah that too. Yeah, Red r Back just fired it up.
Speaker 1: I'm throwing y'all this question. We answer this question by
Speaker 1: the way, I think I'm a linebacker wide receiver. That's
Speaker 1: kind of how guard. I mean, it might set up
Speaker 1: that one maybe guard safety. I see, well, I safety
Speaker 1: upsets me because if the safety's James or that's not
Speaker 1: happening unless they trade up. Okay, that's would you sacrifice
Speaker 1: to eighty one to go get James? Yes, I'd sacrifice
Speaker 1: fifty to go get James, who was eighty one for
Speaker 1: us in our muck and Thomas. Yes, tight end, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna use Yeah, let's go get And I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I love I love you like a scout and I
Speaker 1: but I don't think a third round is gonna be enough.
Speaker 1: If not, that's why you give up fifty two and
Speaker 1: just do it. I don't know if see how I
Speaker 1: got that's fifty end? Yeah? Yeah, Oh so you're going
Speaker 1: nineteen and fifty to go get that pick? Yes, Derwin James,
Speaker 1: who can start at safety, play some slot, play some linebacker.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, probably lean that way. Um, yeah, we got okay,
Speaker 1: So who would you rather have Calvin Ridley and Josie
Speaker 1: Jewel or Calvin or Derwin James. That is good that's good,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know that you could really go.
Speaker 1: But his first two picks he fixed, he fixed the
Speaker 1: problem for you. I don't know that you can. I
Speaker 1: think either one of those I think the Cowboys get
Speaker 1: better by doing either one of those things. So it's
Speaker 1: like two really good players or one potentially great player.
Speaker 1: That which I mean, Dan, I'm gonna need you to
Speaker 1: draft somebody at eighty one. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: a right or run. I'm gonna need you to draft
Speaker 1: somebody eighty one. Brian, I'm gonna need you. I need
Speaker 1: you to come with somebody big at eighty one. Brian
Speaker 1: always tells us we never get off the fence. I'll
Speaker 1: do the trade. I'll go up and be bold and
Speaker 1: get the bad at I had that. I really think
Speaker 1: this first. I said this, and you got mad at
Speaker 1: me a couple of weeks ago. I did. I know,
Speaker 1: if you want a heartbeat about this, I think the
Speaker 1: talent in this first round is kind of weak, Like
Speaker 1: it's just it's not like that twenty sixteen draft. It's
Speaker 1: it's not. I just so I think you look at it.
Speaker 1: I think Quintin Nelson throw throw out the quarterbacks, because
Speaker 1: that's a crapshoot, Quentin Nelson, Derwin James, Barkley, se Quon Barkley,
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb, and and probably Roquan Smith. Like I feel
Speaker 1: really good about those five players being very good pros.
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about anybody else. He's making a point, though,
Speaker 1: If if he's that's one of our best five players,
Speaker 1: should we go get one of our best five players?
Speaker 1: Fortune favors the bold on my board, Derwin James is nine.
Speaker 1: Um God, we can't go there, Well we have to,
Speaker 1: we can't. We can't go to nine. Yeah, we can't.
Speaker 1: We go to nine. We jump up from We'll jump
Speaker 1: up to get in front of the you might have
Speaker 1: to get in front of the forty nine ers, so
Speaker 1: you might have to go up to eight. So it's
Speaker 1: a raider. A raider Buddies were really a Raider Buddies buddy.
Speaker 1: They wanted Roquan. Who would you rather have, Derwin James
Speaker 1: or Quans Derwin James. I just think I think the
Speaker 1: world of him. Maybe it's I spend too much time
Speaker 1: hanging out with John Machoda, the Florida State fanboy. But
Speaker 1: I've got Roquan seven on my board and Derwin James nine,
Speaker 1: So I mean they're closed that you Roquan. Yeah, talking
Speaker 1: about this like it's going to happen, dream either either way.
Speaker 1: But if you, if you, hey, if you guys now
Speaker 1: are willing to give up fifty to go get it,
Speaker 1: let's do this, all right, I mean seriously, put me
Speaker 1: in the one I got ten picks. When we did
Speaker 1: that show and we talked about trading up, I said
Speaker 1: I would I would use fifty to go up to
Speaker 1: get Roquan. I would do that. I would feel okay
Speaker 1: with that, Derwin. But now you're looking at this draft,
Speaker 1: you're kind of thinking I would still do it, but
Speaker 1: with because the thing is, you have to make that
Speaker 1: trade before you know who's going to be there at nineteen.
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a realistic scenario Calvin really could
Speaker 1: be there at nineteen. There's also a realistic scenario he'll
Speaker 1: be long gone. You're kind of wiped out. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you go up and uh you you you know, fortune
Speaker 1: favors of bold, just get put the badasses on my team.
Speaker 1: Let's do that. Well, you're gonna be good somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I promise you that. One more David. All Right, I'm
Speaker 1: throwing this out there just as an acknowledgement of all
Speaker 1: of our poor, sad, angry cowboy fans. Oh there's a
Speaker 1: lot of them. They had to watch, Folks, we get
Speaker 1: to draft though, they had to watch. Well, okay, well
Speaker 1: we get to draft, but draft, we just you're gonna
Speaker 1: just get I'm just gonna throw this out there. It's
Speaker 1: just we're just talking here. We're not just a question,
Speaker 1: not speaking on behalf of any of Mike wants to know. Well, Mike,
Speaker 1: what you would realistically give up in a trade for
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. We're allowed to talk about this. Yeah, We're
Speaker 1: just it's just three friends chatting here on a podcast,
Speaker 1: and we just you know, no official, not a listen.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna give up fifty to go get James,
Speaker 1: we're willing to go do that for all pro safe,
Speaker 1: for approven all Pro. Yes, No, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay I was gonna say that that's part of the
Speaker 1: equation too. Yeah, we might get a little wreck there.
Speaker 1: But because you don't, I don't think you make the
Speaker 1: ideal unless you know, like you feel ninety five percent
Speaker 1: sure you're getting a deal done. I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas or Derwin James that I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: we have to give it. We have to give you
Speaker 1: the best. If you had to give Earl Thomas is
Speaker 1: what twenty nine years old? Yeah, yeah, you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's an All Pro player, He's probably for Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: He's got anywhere from three to six more years left
Speaker 1: of being a good player. I would guess, you know,
Speaker 1: barring something unforeseen, Right, how many years we're gonna get?
Speaker 1: We get five, We get Derwin James for five years.
Speaker 1: Here's all right, I mean it's okay. Let's you wait.
Speaker 1: At least you get Derwin James for five years at
Speaker 1: a much smaller price, or you get Earl Thomas at
Speaker 1: a much larger price, but obviously the proven commodity Old Thomas,
Speaker 1: So you might get the proven commodity. But hey, every
Speaker 1: player comes with a risk of busting. You have to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that. So there's no question. But I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think it's realistic to do a trade for Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas at the end of the day, because you have
Speaker 1: to have an assurance that you're gonna get that deal.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that they want to commit that
Speaker 1: type of money when they could go draft a guy.
Speaker 1: I know, like people listening at home probably don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that. Maybe that lord's asking for us though. Maybe.
Speaker 1: But we notice Seattle doesn't have a second or a
Speaker 1: third round. Would you trade pick eighty one even if
Speaker 1: you don't feel great about a long term deal getting done? Yes,
Speaker 1: I would trade eighty one to go get him. If
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like yet, I would trade eighty one.
Speaker 1: Fifty fifty gets me Derwin, it gets me James. Eighty
Speaker 1: one I don't think gets me James. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Sure, so I'm trying to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: which one gets plus? We have to factor rid in
Speaker 1: this scenario. You're also keeping your first round pick, right,
Speaker 1: so your draft so it's you know, Derwin James, and
Speaker 1: that's your first two picks or Earl Thomas plus your
Speaker 1: first round to see that would give them They gives
Speaker 1: them back to back picks in the second round. Probably,
Speaker 1: I think Seattle's right ahead of you. They don't have
Speaker 1: a second round. Oh no, that's okay, I got rid
Speaker 1: of they don't have a second or a third. Right,
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right, I'm sorry. That's that's why you're
Speaker 1: seeing all these rumors about them trying to shop players
Speaker 1: because they don't want to not pick in the you
Speaker 1: know though, I mean, the second and third round are
Speaker 1: so important. Yeah, I'm for I don't. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: anything's possible, but I don't. I don't see it. I
Speaker 1: think it would be way more likely that they would
Speaker 1: do something crazy to get Derwin James. Then I think
Speaker 1: that's Stephen Jones mo myself. Yeah, I agree with that, David.
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna fun finish up some of the guys
Speaker 1: I had from the combine. We didn't get to him
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, but tell me more about Alabama's Robert Foster.
Speaker 1: Get a lot of questions about him. I think kind
Speaker 1: of like Noah Brown. People are intrigued by the super
Speaker 1: talented guy who didn't really have that type of production
Speaker 1: at a big time school, five star recruit, wouldn't he Yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: big time recruit. And you know, when we watch tape
Speaker 1: of him, it was a struggle because you're trying to
Speaker 1: find catches, You're trying to find opportunities where he was
Speaker 1: he was targeted and far and few between in that offense,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it makes me even more impressed that
Speaker 1: Calvin really had the production he did with that quarterback.
Speaker 1: But he had I think fifteen catches this year. We did.
Speaker 1: We blew the touchdown, We blew through some tape to
Speaker 1: try and find him. I mean, I say this, I
Speaker 1: really love the kid from the aspect of the speed.
Speaker 1: I think he's got some smoothness to him though. You know,
Speaker 1: when you watch him run, I mean he's kind of
Speaker 1: a good of a bit of a glider, you know,
Speaker 1: and the way that thing. But and then you know
Speaker 1: they throw him the little touch pass, you know, and
Speaker 1: all that good good in the open field things like
Speaker 1: a lot of screens, a lot of screens, vertical routes
Speaker 1: and screens. That's really his big, big game. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought I saw a guy that really
Speaker 1: didn't trust his hands all that much though too, I
Speaker 1: know they the ball he'd jumped when he didn't have to.
Speaker 1: So his best trade is his ability to run. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of where if someone brings him in, it'll
Speaker 1: be on a trade, could be a draft late third day.
Speaker 1: But it's just because he's six one and he's one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six pounds and he runs a four
Speaker 1: four one. There's no consistency, and I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything on tape that would make me
Speaker 1: believe that's going to change at the next level. I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree. Tell me more about Wisconsin linebacker slash edge
Speaker 1: rusher Leon Jacobs. I'll let you take this one. Brought us.
Speaker 1: I know he was that one. He was you and Jeff.
Speaker 1: You guys love this guy. Oh, no, Jeff hasn't seen him.
Speaker 1: I don't think. Oh yeah, he put him in the
Speaker 1: second round. Oh did he really? You guys watched him together?
Speaker 1: Or did we watch Jacobs? Oh, we did watch him together.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, Jeff just falls in love
Speaker 1: with people. Though, no, he he Jeff, Jess, where'd you
Speaker 1: put him? Brought us? Put him in? I put him
Speaker 1: in the third, that's hi. I put him in the third.
Speaker 1: Sixty six pounds, four to four eight. I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 1: This guy well built, players, got some upper body power,
Speaker 1: hustles to make stops, got a nose for the ball,
Speaker 1: attacks the pocket. They use him as a rusher, you know,
Speaker 1: he plays out on the edge. So you say, every
Speaker 1: once in a while, you'll see him rush, you never
Speaker 1: see him really drop. Is he best in a three four?
Speaker 1: That's what's what's this team gonna do with him? I
Speaker 1: think he will playm with Sam is what they do,
Speaker 1: and they can. And the thing I like about him,
Speaker 1: I like how physical he is. I mean, that's I
Speaker 1: saw a guy again closed down the line, swats at
Speaker 1: the ball in the pocket when he's rushing, and he's
Speaker 1: a hard guy to get around. When you try and
Speaker 1: get around him on the edge, he's able to stretch
Speaker 1: it and kind of make not kind of make the
Speaker 1: play and make the guy go out of balance or
Speaker 1: make a physical tackle right there. He's one of those
Speaker 1: guys when I didn't know anything about him going in
Speaker 1: the combine and then he runs a great time, and
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm like thinking, Okay, go back and look
Speaker 1: at these guys. But I'm thinking, Okay, give me the
Speaker 1: linebackers that are six one, two hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 1: you know, give me those types of guy. I know
Speaker 1: we're talking a lot about linebackers like Griffin that's two
Speaker 1: twenty seven. We talk about Smith that's two twenty five,
Speaker 1: two twenty six. I'm thinking, give me a little bit,
Speaker 1: bigger linebacker that can run. That's what I saw with
Speaker 1: this kid. And I think that I was kind of
Speaker 1: impressed with the way he played, balance, that he causes turnovers,
Speaker 1: He's got some change of direction to him. I didn't
Speaker 1: have a problem. And I watched good competition. I mean
Speaker 1: I watched him play Michigan Ohio State Perdue. I mean
Speaker 1: he was having some good, good snaps against those cats.
Speaker 1: This guy kind of be like a Kyle Wilbur, like
Speaker 1: occasional sam special teams. I think, yeah, I think this
Speaker 1: to be one. I think this guy when I remember
Speaker 1: watching Kyle Wilbur's film at Wake Forest, Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: see Kyle Wilbur play like this. While Wilbur was kind
Speaker 1: of a switch they had hand down, stand up, they
Speaker 1: switched schemes on him. Kyle Wilber was drafted to play
Speaker 1: in a three fourth yea anyway. But this guy, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of a I'm on board with this. Hint Leon
Speaker 1: Jacobs and an also kid, the the Avery Kid from Memphis. Yeah, Jenny,
Speaker 1: two guys that are over two hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 1: you're just ruining future. Tell me more. Sorry, good God,
Speaker 1: sorry about that. I see a little more of a
Speaker 1: project with Jacobs. But I mean you I think you
Speaker 1: you covered him. That that sums. But you can disagree
Speaker 1: with me on that. That's okay. No, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't have him in the third I have him more
Speaker 1: on day three. Um, but because I think he's just
Speaker 1: a little more of a project. But I mean he
Speaker 1: hit on a strength. I mean he's a physical player
Speaker 1: who who has some traits to work with. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Okay. Talked about some Louisiana players in
Speaker 1: the first segment. Tell me more about Grambling State running
Speaker 1: back Martez Carter. Fun player, really fun player. Undersize he's
Speaker 1: got a little Treat co into him. You know he's
Speaker 1: not as Okay, let me draw you in with that.
Speaker 1: Not doesn't have the same ceiling as Treat Cohen. But
Speaker 1: he can help you out and respect that. He can
Speaker 1: do a little bit of everything. He can rush the ball,
Speaker 1: he can catch the ball at the backfield. He lied
Speaker 1: about wide at Grambling. Yeah, pass protection, he's he's a
Speaker 1: one pop daddy, but you know he can get the
Speaker 1: job done. He had like four kick returns in college,
Speaker 1: so he can help it lane where he just ripped
Speaker 1: it right in the middle. Of the thing. He can
Speaker 1: help you out across the across the depth Chartum, you know,
Speaker 1: he's limited because he's not the biggest guy. He's like
Speaker 1: six two h five, not the biggest guy. But well,
Speaker 1: gunbar action. Yeah, I'll tell you what though, good player.
Speaker 1: This guy is a really good player. And I mean
Speaker 1: he is one of those guys that you watch him
Speaker 1: play and I appreciate Dane hooking me up with this guy.
Speaker 1: Ball goes left and it's dead and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it's plant left foot and now we're going around
Speaker 1: the right end and we are running through people. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a physical guy. He's right about the one pop
Speaker 1: daddy bit, you know, with the with the past protection.
Speaker 1: But one of the best players I saw him. Mate.
Speaker 1: He hit again. He's not afraid to hit a defensive end.
Speaker 1: It's like a tennis ball going off a tank. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just bouncing off. But that's what he does. He
Speaker 1: hit the guy and got kind of buckled, and then
Speaker 1: his quarterback was scrambling, kind of gave his quarterback an opportunity.
Speaker 1: But what do he do after he hit the guy?
Speaker 1: He went out in the route. They threw him the
Speaker 1: ball and he went like about thirty yards. So he
Speaker 1: has a presence about him, remember rolling to the right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just And I loved Lance Dunbar as a guy,
Speaker 1: and when he was healthy he was so much fun
Speaker 1: to watch. But I just worry about it for four
Speaker 1: years watching Lance get hurt after every good play he made.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on record, this guy is better than
Speaker 1: Lance Dunbar. Ever thought is he healthy year? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he played. He played college. He's got a little bit
Speaker 1: of a background. Uh, he corner. What he's got, He's
Speaker 1: got all kinds of things going. In high school at
Speaker 1: five six, he was a quarterback. Yea, and okay, I'm
Speaker 1: five six right, I'm just imagining myself playing quarterback. He
Speaker 1: also played basketball, and he was suspended for most of
Speaker 1: his senior year. Uh some academics, some eligibility issues. And
Speaker 1: he got a full ride to go play basketball and
Speaker 1: an Naia school can't remember the name of it, somewhere
Speaker 1: in Texas, goes there to play basketball. After a semester,
Speaker 1: he gives that up, goes back to home to Louisiana
Speaker 1: and gets hooked up with Grambly and he walks on
Speaker 1: as a corner. And he kept begging the coach, give
Speaker 1: me offensive snap, give me offensive snaps. They finally do,
Speaker 1: and or they started him as like returning kicks. Then
Speaker 1: they put him on offense the next year and he
Speaker 1: kind of blew up from there. Led the league or
Speaker 1: led the team in rushing the last three seasons. Really
Speaker 1: fun player who's has a little bit of baggage, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of shaped where he's or how far he's come,
Speaker 1: and you know who he is today with what he's
Speaker 1: had to deal with in the past. How long ago
Speaker 1: is the most recent baggage is it? It's not in college,
Speaker 1: it's from a kind of it's you know, the company
Speaker 1: that you keep. Yeah, you know growing up where he did,
Speaker 1: and you know his dad's been incarcerated for most of
Speaker 1: his life. Float up, load up the tape of this kid, Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to You'll have fun watching him, all right.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we get to this guy.
Speaker 1: I've got two more, but I want to make sure
Speaker 1: we get to this guy before we run out of time,
Speaker 1: because Dan, Brian and I are going to try to
Speaker 1: set you up here. Oh great, I got a I
Speaker 1: got a request on Twitter from a nobody of nobody's
Speaker 1: and the guy basically was like, I want to see
Speaker 1: if Dan can get this guy, and I do too,
Speaker 1: So Brian watched him just in case you don't know,
Speaker 1: but I want to see if you got him. Tell
Speaker 1: me more about Buffalo State defensive tackle Khalil Somerville is
Speaker 1: his mom asked you this question. I don't know who
Speaker 1: is asking about him. I don't know who are you? Uh?
Speaker 1: I do know who he is. He watched him. He
Speaker 1: played at the College Great Iron Showcase, damn in Addison.
Speaker 1: He's a fun He's you are sick in the best
Speaker 1: way possible. He can get a field a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean he's not the not the most explosive, not
Speaker 1: the most powerful, but when he does get an edge,
Speaker 1: he can work past the shoulder and you know, play
Speaker 1: the one. He can played a little bit. One played
Speaker 1: one a little three. But it is Division three YEA.
Speaker 1: For the record, I did not tell Dane anything about this.
Speaker 1: He didn't like, he didn't know this was coming. Buffalo
Speaker 1: State is D three. Yeah, you know the conference. Like
Speaker 1: I'm come from a Division three You're still I don't
Speaker 1: care if it's amazing. The film I watched was Hertwick College.
Speaker 1: Never I've never watched Hartwick College. They played a field.
Speaker 1: They played Hartwid players in the field. That's like football
Speaker 1: across most of those fools like that, Yeah, pick up
Speaker 1: in the background. There's like, no, it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not like the Boud's house at Ali. Marpett went to
Speaker 1: school about the Hobart pet But yeah, yeah, there's probably
Speaker 1: like twenty five people in the stands. Though. He's got
Speaker 1: this guy, right, I mean this guy. I mean I
Speaker 1: saw like a one gap player when you know, when
Speaker 1: you right, when you watch him, he goes. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's like quick up the field. He's a he's got
Speaker 1: a square built guy. He does have I think a
Speaker 1: little bit more power than maybe but I think about him.
Speaker 1: No pass rush moves at all. It's all about pushing.
Speaker 1: But he wears number ninety nine. Oh good, and and
Speaker 1: so he's just kind of like going up the field.
Speaker 1: He's ben be a bit disruptive guy. I noticed that
Speaker 1: the college grenar and showcase that he had some bad weight.
Speaker 1: Needs to strength and conditioning programs to do him some good. Um,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's getting drafted. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: draftable grade or Buffalo State, we'll bring him in. We'll
Speaker 1: bring him in as an undrafted guy. How about you
Speaker 1: knowing about it? That's good. That was that's seriously impressive.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We have time for one more. Just go
Speaker 1: one more real quick. If we could tell me more
Speaker 1: about UCLA receiver Jordan. Lastly, speaking about guys at last,
Speaker 1: So you're not last or not least. Uh. This guy's
Speaker 1: really talented just from a physical standpoint, but he can't
Speaker 1: catch the ball with any consistency. That's true. But he's
Speaker 1: a very good athlete and he can create his own
Speaker 1: space get down the field, but he's so inconsistent at
Speaker 1: the catch point. And then he's just he's got attitude issues.
Speaker 1: He was suspended this past year for three games just
Speaker 1: because he, you know, issues with the coaching staff. So
Speaker 1: there's plenty of issues in his background that you kind
Speaker 1: of you worry about with him. But he's he's a
Speaker 1: draftable player. He'll he will get drafted, and you kind
Speaker 1: of hope it works out for the best. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna win many fifty fifty balls. That's just his game.
Speaker 1: That's not his game. He needs free access and routes.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be contested. You know, he's always
Speaker 1: gonna That's the thing I thought, up and down the
Speaker 1: way he catches the ball. I didn't feel like he
Speaker 1: was a reliable guy. That was the biggest problem I
Speaker 1: had in my report on him. A quote from his
Speaker 1: high school head coach. He's always kind of a three
Speaker 1: steps forward, two steps back kind of guy. So if
Speaker 1: your high school coach is saying that about, there you go.
Speaker 1: And the fun thing about tell me more is like
Speaker 1: usually I mean, we got you got. I got two
Speaker 1: good reviews out of five, but the majority of the
Speaker 1: reviews are not usually glowing you know what. And then
Speaker 1: but but now people know when these guys get drafted.
Speaker 1: You've heard it for here first absolutely, but Kali Khalil Somerville,
Speaker 1: when he's a seventh round state remember that. Here you go.
Speaker 1: Thanks Dane, Thanks David, Thanks Garrison, Thanks everybody out there
Speaker 1: for hanging out with us this week. Uh we'll be
Speaker 1: back with the Draft Show Monday at ten am. Have
Speaker 1: a great weekend and continue to watch that tape. We'll
Speaker 1: see you