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Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lollly, he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and it is a snowy, snowey

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Speaker 2: Monday here in Pittsburgh. Of course, the Steelers heading into

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Speaker 2: a playoff week following their eight or nineteen seventeen loss

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Speaker 2: on Saturday night to the Cincinnati Bengals at Knox. That

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Speaker 2: couple with the win by the Chargers on Sunday Knox,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers down to the number six seed. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens had won earlier in the day as expected

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Speaker 2: against well who Brown quarterly Brad Browns Brown. I saw

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Speaker 2: stat today According to DVOA, the Browns had the sixth

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Speaker 2: worst offense going back to like nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: Something for the whole season. Yeah, and with a lot

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Speaker 3: of different quarterbacks. Watson was some of the problem, but

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Speaker 3: not the only problem. Over there.

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Speaker 2: Next few games with Winston weren't Piston that weren't bad,

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Speaker 2: And then other than that it was just bad.

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Speaker 3: They probably would have been last if it wasn't for

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Speaker 3: the Winston Era very much. I mean, those guys they

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Speaker 3: tried out were terrible. But the Ravens are really good too.

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Speaker 3: I mean they wiped the floor with them. Steelers had

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Speaker 3: a tough one, but you're right, it's uh onto the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing. Like I did a podcast today

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Speaker 3: and we hardly talked about any of the games yesterday

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Speaker 3: because there's coach firings, there's playoffs stuff. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: league's moving fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and you know, looking at the game, we

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Speaker 2: won't talk about the game work on the Saturday. I

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Speaker 2: thought there were some good things to take out of

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Speaker 2: that game. I thought there were some not so good

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Speaker 2: things to take out of that game. And you know,

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Speaker 2: to me, we'll start with the with the good. I

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Speaker 2: thought the defense kind of stood on its head at

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Speaker 2: times in that game. And really, uh against as good

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Speaker 2: an offense as you're gonna see in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, played well. Yeah, one of the best

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Speaker 3: set on Friday, you're gonna hold the Bengals nineteen points.

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Speaker 3: I don't care how you get there. WHOA I'll take

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Speaker 3: that thousand times. Yeah, I mean, I'll give you whatever

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Speaker 3: you want for that. With that outcome, now, I know

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Speaker 3: we're starting with good stuff, but I think most of

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Speaker 3: the defense is good stuff. Another slow start though, I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously their worst drive of the day was the opening one,

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Speaker 3: is problematic, I mean, and it doesn't set a great tone.

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Speaker 3: But really from that point on, defensively, I thought they

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Speaker 3: made a lot of splash plays. You know, they're big

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Speaker 3: on footballs, you know, sacks, big hits, et cetera. And

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Speaker 3: they did well, you know, especially you harped on all week.

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Speaker 3: Was tackled to catch. I mean, they're tackling. Their fundamental

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Speaker 3: stuff was really strong too, where that was one of

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Speaker 3: the bigges issues the last three ames. They just weren't

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Speaker 3: fundamentally sound. I think fatigue was an issue. And speaking

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Speaker 3: this game too, and didn't there was a point where

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's probably about the most of the can do,

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Speaker 3: and that wasn't the case at all. They were strong

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Speaker 2: Even on the opening drive, well, yes, the Bengals went

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Speaker 2: down and scored twelve yards, nine yards, sixteen yards, five yards,

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Speaker 2: four yards, eight yards, seven yards, twelve yards. That's the

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Speaker 2: way the defense is built to perform, right.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was just said death by a thousand

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Speaker 2: It was a nine play, seventy three yard drive. Like

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Speaker 2: it wasn't, oh, you're going to give up a fifty

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Speaker 2: yard bomb over the top or right the long The

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Speaker 3: Years, nineteen yards.

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Speaker 2: They didn't give up a twenty yard catching that game

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Speaker 3: Yep, I mean part of it well, by design, Burrow

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Speaker 2: But at some point somebody gets a hand on a ball,

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Speaker 3: Know, right, And you know his line wasn't great. But

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Speaker 3: that first drive, I know everyone wants to blame the

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Speaker 3: They put it on the TV after that drive. Two

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Speaker 2: Was catching throw catching, catching, Like there.

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Speaker 3: Was a play I can't remember where it was in

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Speaker 3: the game where TJ. Watt was totally unblocked and couldn't

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Speaker 3: get home in time. I mean that never happened. As

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Speaker 3: I said against you know, when they played Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's going to get it out in two

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Speaker 3: On average, because there was some extended that were well

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Speaker 2: You know, that didn't happen in this one, and they

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Speaker 2: still got home. But if they're going to get rid

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Speaker 2: of it that quickly to you know, around two point

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Speaker 2: get him in his sprinter stance and put him out

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Speaker 3: Time, let alone with a Burrow or a Mahomes that

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Speaker 3: And Burrow wasn't able to do that over sixty minutes.

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Speaker 3: That's a plus stuff. But that first drive was just

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Speaker 2: Just throwing arts if they can do that on Saturday

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Speaker 2: to Lamar Jackson, because here's what you count on when

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Speaker 2: you're doing something like that. Yeah, at some point the

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Speaker 3: I know. See that's a huge thing. Like Allan and

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Speaker 3: Mahomes and Burrow have changed really quickly early in their career.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know where they're getting this information from,

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Speaker 3: And I think it's probably from Brady, you know, because

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Speaker 3: they were all huge, big game hunters. Burrow's first two years.

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Speaker 3: If you're don't play single high, hey, I'm throwing a

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Speaker 3: bomb to chase. You know. Mahomes is run around like

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Speaker 2: But Jackson not like those nearly to the degree that

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Speaker 3: Ball much higher time to throw than those guys. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you look at what's happened to the Steelers over

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Speaker 2: the last four games, the one outlier is Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Like everybody else, everybody else was getting rid of the

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Speaker 3: Especially Mahomes, and he was over three in that game

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Speaker 2: So you know, if if you can force Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this gonna be a tough test. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about all, no doubt, no question, and he's

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Speaker 3: really gotten good from the pocket overall. But we also

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Speaker 3: I've only just started thinking about matchups, but we've seen

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Speaker 3: it just twice pretty recently. If they don't have Flowers, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Even Bateman who's playing a lot better, and like it would.

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Speaker 2: Take and put him on Bateman and say okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: She'd go from there. I think they will, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Of sense because he's a bigger receiver and he's gonna

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Speaker 2: what happened after after they lost Flowers, I mean Bateman

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Speaker 3: He's he's had a good year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I would take that and do that.

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Speaker 2: We all saw the Steels get some turnovers in this game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: They like can they ever get a bubble? You know?

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Speaker 3: Just bad luck, you know, but no, that's starting. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So again, if you can, if you can play

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Speaker 3: Splash plus consistency on defense. Yeah, for thirty eight minutes,

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Speaker 2: Well, there are a couple other things I wanted to mention. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: take that. They would go for one on fourth downs zone. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and the red zone won for four in the red zone,

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Speaker 2: that should lead to wins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they should. That was winning football on defense.

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Speaker 2: Now, Burrow was thirty seven to forty six, which, okay,

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Speaker 2: that's a ton of passes though to get to two

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Speaker 3: Say a lot of short and quick and the Steelers

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Speaker 2: averaged four point four yards per play. Yeah, that's fine,

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Speaker 2: And what is anything under five is outstanding.

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Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are at five for the season,

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Speaker 2: Five defensive defensively, they're what they were like five point

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Speaker 3: But also about six best.

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Speaker 2: It had been red hot. Yes, like as much as

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Speaker 2: you like. Burrow had eight consecutive games with at least

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Speaker 2: It wasn't you know ten catches for three hundred and

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Speaker 3: This Trice was physical. He was you know, combatd catches,

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Speaker 3: Right. That's as hard to test as you can have.

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Speaker 2: That was the biggest test that you can throw a

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Speaker 3: And it was so successful the first time.

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Speaker 2: And but Wilson said after the game, He's like, we

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Speaker 3: Which I thought was absolutely clear. Like I'm sure they

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Priority one in prepping for Bengals was we're

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Speaker 2: That's one pass play one, let alone the slant over

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Speaker 3: And frankly, I didn't think Austin stepped up. I thought

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Speaker 3: Nott More, you know, nows just so vallatile. I don't

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Speaker 2: You're not supposed to make those kind of mistakes.

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Speaker 2: You absolutely should, unless you decide that you're going to

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Speaker 2: Right it was, it was bad.

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Speaker 2: back but you also have to know that in that situation,

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Speaker 2: you got a quick turnover. How many times do you

438
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Speaker 2: see teams when they get a quick turnover, you go

439
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Speaker 2: for the you go for the jugular.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you're a deep ball team. You

441
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Speaker 3: got pickings, you got Williams, who might deserve some more

442
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Speaker 3: snaps too.

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Speaker 2: I would I would definitely get Williams some more work.

444
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's the only one that should hold

445
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 3: his head high on a per route basis was pretty good.

446
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he challenges the defense more.

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's harder to play against. Even if

448
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 3: he doesn't run as well as he did back in

449
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Speaker 3: the day or whatever, he's still physical, he's still big.

450
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Speaker 2: You're still looking at at your five foot eleven cornerback

451
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Speaker 2: matched up on a six to four. Dude, did you

452
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Speaker 2: know can high point the ball?

453
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Speaker 3: And I don't think you're implying like time to bench

454
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Speaker 3: pickings or any of that. I don't think you can

455
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Speaker 3: do those. You know, he has a bad game, and

456
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Speaker 3: I understand he's volatile, but you you got to deal

457
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Speaker 3: with that. You got to manage that and get him

458
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Speaker 3: back on track.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, not a not a stellar day

460
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Speaker 2: for the offense, all against against a defense at which

461
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Speaker 2: quite frankly, it should have been much better against the other.

462
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Speaker 3: Thing too, is I know that they created a turnover

463
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Speaker 3: on special teams and Boz is awesome, but you allowed

464
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Speaker 3: a couple too. I mean some starting field condition you can't.

465
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Speaker 2: Know.

466
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's like, if you're gonna be winning the margins,

467
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Speaker 3: that stuff needs to be sharp. And I don't expect

468
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Speaker 3: him a block of kick every week. Now, that kind

469
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Speaker 3: of stuff's crazy. I mean, they were on a ridiculous

470
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Speaker 3: pace earlier in the year. But the coverage teams are

471
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Speaker 3: lacking a little bit right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not the punt return coverage team, now the kickoff returns.

473
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Speaker 3: There was two or three of them that were Yeah,

474
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Speaker 3: that's too good an offense to give.

475
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Speaker 2: Them the ball to forty four or whatever. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I agree. Let's get through a break. Well,

477
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Speaker 2: Matt and I will continue talking about well, we'll move

478
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Speaker 2: on to more a lot of talk about pleasant thoughts,

479
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Speaker 2: but we move on to playoffs. Playoffs. All right, We're

480
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Speaker 2: gonna move on to his playoffs. Start talking about matchup

481
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Speaker 2: against the Ravens. The what has happened has happened? It

482
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Speaker 2: is what it is. You can't change anything that's happened there,

483
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Speaker 2: but you can change the perception of your season if

484
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Speaker 2: you get a win this weekend in Baltimore, Matt, and

485
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Speaker 2: now we'll talk about that when we return. He is

486
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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie here listening to the

487
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Speaker 2: drive here on Thisheelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

489
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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

490
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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

492
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Speaker 2: theing Matt Williamson and Matt Steelers Ravens. Yeah, get Saturday

493
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Speaker 2: eight o'clock. Just what I figured. Yeah, they didn't even

494
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Speaker 2: need to wait. Oh I do right away. I mean

495
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Speaker 2: as soon as a Steelers Ravens, I'm like, that's going

496
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Speaker 2: to be the Saturday night game.

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Speaker 3: They both played Saturday too, of course he's no doubt right, Yeah,

498
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Speaker 3: which painted but for our purposes, especially you being on

499
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Speaker 3: the road. But nobody really asked our opinions on the mat.

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Speaker 2: They don't. Yeah, they don't, you know, say, hey, Dale,

501
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 2: when do you want.

502
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Speaker 3: To do this? Right? What's most convenient?

503
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Speaker 2: So the Steelers will have gone a month without playing

504
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Speaker 2: a one o'clock where a Sunday game, even just an

505
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Speaker 2: a game on a Sunday. Wow, I guess it's the

506
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Speaker 2: longest the team has gone without playing a game on

507
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Speaker 2: a Sunday since nineteen thirty three, which happens to be

508
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Speaker 2: the year they were founded. Are a little different because

509
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh had the Pennsylvania had the blue loss. They couldn't

510
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Speaker 2: play on Sunday.

511
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Speaker 3: What's a blue law?

512
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Speaker 2: You couldn't do anything on Sunday?

513
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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay, you had to be a good boy.

514
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they would play on Wednesday. By Saturdays or like,

515
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Speaker 2: they couldn't play on So they've gone a month. It's

516
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Speaker 2: the longest. Nineteen thirty three.

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Speaker 3: Is a long time ago, almost one hundred years, almost

518
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Speaker 3: one hundred Yeah, so can you remember? I bet the

519
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Speaker 3: answer is no. COVID aside a weirder stretch than this, No,

520
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Speaker 3: I mean three and eleven Christmas the teams you played

521
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Speaker 3: Ravens three times in a short stretch, say Saturday, Saturday again,

522
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Speaker 3: don't play on Sunday. Like, my mind is befuddled.

523
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Speaker 2: It's almost like I'm having a tough time keeping track

524
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Speaker 2: of what day of the week it is.

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Speaker 3: I did too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I really am.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So this kind of funny story. I do a

528
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Speaker 3: daily podcast for DK Pittsford Sports, and I did my

529
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Speaker 3: game preview last week a day early, and then I went,

530
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I got to come up with an that's

531
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Speaker 3: supposed to be my last one of the week because

532
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Speaker 3: I didn't know what day it was like this, I

533
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Speaker 3: did it on Wednesday instead of Thursday because or whatever

534
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Speaker 3: it was, Tuesday was a Wednesday. And I came back

535
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Speaker 3: and I did another podcast, like I'm sorry, folks, but

536
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Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about something totally off off base

537
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Speaker 3: because I forgot what day it was.

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Speaker 2: And I give you right, people might look at that,

539
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Speaker 2: you know, outside of what we do and say, how

540
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Speaker 2: does that happen? I know, but you get so immersed

541
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Speaker 2: in what you're doing. Yeah, and you know, we're doing

542
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Speaker 2: radio shows on a daily basis. I'm at the facility

543
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Speaker 2: on a daily basis. Wednesday schedules end up being you know,

544
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Speaker 2: Tuesday schedules, and Thursday becomes Wednesday.

545
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Speaker 3: And this is another week and a short work week.

546
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Speaker 2: Everything gets you know, mixed around.

547
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Speaker 3: Tuesday's really Wednesday or Wednesday's really Tuesday, et cetera, et cetera.

548
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Speaker 3: And then with all the national stuff I do too.

549
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Speaker 3: There's been so many Christmas and Saturday games and night

550
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Speaker 3: games and stuff like that too. And like I told

551
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Speaker 3: my wife, I'm like, she's on top of the stuff.

552
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Speaker 3: And I'm like, so the good News Hounds. There's no

553
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Speaker 3: Monday football tonight. And I'm like, but Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

554
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Speaker 3: Monday again, I'm probably gonna be glued to the TV.

555
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Speaker 3: So it's oh great. Probably threw something at me and

556
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Speaker 3: call me bad words, you know, but no Monday night.

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Speaker 2: You know you didn't hear it. So this will be

558
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Speaker 2: the fifth time in their history that the Steelers will

559
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Speaker 2: have played the Ravens in a playoff game. Yeah yeah, yeah,

560
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Speaker 2: But the first time they've done it at M and

561
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Speaker 2: T Bank Stadium.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I didn't.

563
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Speaker 2: Rather four all took place in Pittsburgh. The Steelers three

564
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Speaker 2: and one in those games. They're ten and two against

565
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Speaker 2: divisional opponents in the third matchup in their history.

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Speaker 3: Are they really? I didn't know that? Okay, guess that

567
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Speaker 3: adds up. I mean, I know the most recent one

568
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Speaker 3: against the Ravens didn't go to Steelers' way. But that's

569
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Speaker 3: their only playoff loss against Baltimore. Yeah, you probably knows too,

570
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Speaker 3: but Wolf mentioned it. They do have a winning record

571
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Speaker 3: in that stadium, Yes, at Baltimore Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, including winning four of the last five and six

573
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Speaker 2: of the last eight in Bolton Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's not the craziest thing in the world.

575
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Speaker 3: I mean, one team's playing really really well and one

576
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 3: team's on a big losing streak. But history shows that

577
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Speaker 3: these the Steelers can win there.

578
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Speaker 2: When the Steelers see the purple and the and the

579
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Speaker 2: Ravens see the black and gold, you just wipe the

580
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Speaker 2: slate clean and it's yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was thinking about this from Harbaugh's perspective, like, man,

582
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Speaker 3: we've turned things around since our bye. We're playing great,

583
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Speaker 3: We're playing as well as any team in the league.

584
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Speaker 3: I'm so happy with my team. And then he goes

585
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Speaker 3: into the weekend, like.

586
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Speaker 2: What team don't I want to play in the first round?

587
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Speaker 3: I am either going to get palmlin or my brother, Like,

588
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: who knows me better than those two people on the

589
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Speaker 3: whole planet that's not one of my parents or wife

590
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Speaker 3: or the like, not even football side. I'm gonna get

591
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: Tomlin or my brother that evens a play feel great. Ye,

592
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: just when we're playing as well as we can and

593
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: have probably the moment more talented team, all of a sudden,

594
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Speaker 3: I gotta deal with that.

595
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Speaker 2: And I know people look at the score of the

596
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: matchup in Baltimore earlier this season and the Ravens course

597
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: won that when thirty four to seventeen, they wow, the

598
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: Ravens blew them out. If you look at the game,

599
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: it was not a thirty four to seventeen game. It

600
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: was the Steelers on Baltimore's opening drive because of the details. Again,

601
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: Ravens got the ball first. They start matriculating the ball

602
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: down the field right around the forty yard line. Alex

603
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Speaker 2: Highsmith comes up with a sack. Lamar fumbles.

604
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a game they couldn't win.

605
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: Ronnie Stanley gets, Ronnie Stanley falls on it. If the

606
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: Steelers fall on that ball, I'm of the mindset that

607
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson goes man, here we go again against this team,

608
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Speaker 2: and goes into a shell again.

609
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Speaker 3: So along those lines, I just have this conversation with

610
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: on that other show, you know that leading into that game,

611
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 3: everyone's probably hounding Lamar why are you so good?

612
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: At five times?

613
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: Over and over and over, And it had to be

614
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: on his mind, even if he can pretend like it isn't.

615
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 3: And he overcame that demon, but it could have, to

616
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: your point, gone down a different road off the start.

617
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Speaker 3: Now this week, you know he's gonna hear why can't

618
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Speaker 3: you win the playoffs? You know, I mean, it's gonna

619
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Speaker 3: be the same type of the pressure is on them,

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Speaker 3: That's what I say. It's all you know. I mean,

621
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Speaker 3: he's two and four in the playoffs, which really isn't

622
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Speaker 3: as bad as it looks, trust me. But he's the

623
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Speaker 3: only multiple MVP winner to not have a Super Bowl.

624
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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean there's some there's just things

625
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: like that. I mean, it's the legacy stuff, and they're

626
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: gonna be a big favor, Like it's gonna be on

627
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Speaker 3: his mind, and.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, of course, no doubt. Other things that happened

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Speaker 2: to that game. The Ravens punt after that fumble, it's

630
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Speaker 2: it's down that the what was it the three yard

631
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Speaker 2: line or whatever it was. Yeah, they started, they were

632
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Speaker 2: at their yeah, their own three. So they run Nase Harris.

633
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Speaker 2: They get five yard run on first down. Great, three

634
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Speaker 2: yard run on second down. All right, Now you're in

635
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Speaker 2: third and two and they get called for uh it's

636
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Speaker 2: an incomplete pass. On third down, third and two, they punt.

637
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: Desmond King gets the ball. It's a fifty eight yard punts.

638
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: It was actually a good punt, fifty eight yards. The

639
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: Steelers give up a sixteen yard return, which might be

640
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: the longest return they gave up all seasons. Yeah, James

641
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: Pierre forces a fumble on the play. It bounces ten

642
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: yards forward and Chris Board recovers it at the Pitts

643
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Speaker 2: forty one. So the Ravens get the ball back exactly

644
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Speaker 2: where they punt it from. Basically, yeah, they punt it

645
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: from there. They punt it from the forty two. They

646
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: get back at the forty one, And you.

647
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Speaker 3: Can't do that right, right, And again, that was a

648
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: good play by the special teams unit. That couldn't fall

649
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Speaker 3: in the football, you know.

650
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Speaker 2: Couldn't fall in the football. So then coming out of

651
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Speaker 2: that one, because let's remember Jackson had just fumbled on

652
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Speaker 2: the previous possession.

653
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: That's something he's prone to do. He is not throwing

654
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: picks at all, but he does.

655
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: He does. He puts the ball on the ground what

656
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: do the Ravens do. They say, Okay, we're not gonna

657
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: We're not gonna set Lamar up for that again. The

658
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: next one, two, three, The next five plays are all

659
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry runs, which.

660
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: They kind of got away with in the away from

661
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: in the first meeting.

662
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: To the Pittsburgh nine, and Lamar throws a touchdown. Finally

663
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: he throws and after that.

664
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: You know that.

665
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the game could have started different, could have started

666
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: much differently, Let's put it that way. Could have started

667
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: much differently. The Steelers answered with a touchdown.

668
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm still trying to remember the script of the game.

669
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: They got the ball back at the twenty seven, they're

670
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: twenty seven, went down the field. You got the completion

671
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: of Van Jefferson of twenty one yards to the Baltimore

672
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: six or to Baltimore one, i should say, and Russell

673
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: Wilson throws a one yard touchdown pass to Michael prut

674
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: tied the game at seven. You answered, yeah, you answered,

675
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: Baltimore score with one of your own. On the Steelers

676
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: force a punt, Okay, on the next onetive game, yeah.

677
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: At on the next possession, the Steelers are driving down

678
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: the field. They get the ball back at their own

679
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: forty four. They're driving down the field, Wilson breaks the pocket,

680
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: gets into into uh he's running free, sees the end zone,

681
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: goes for it. A Darius Washington guess is right. Versus

682
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: the fumble, the Steelers would have been up fourteen to

683
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: seven in that game.

684
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: That was a crucial cruise, crucial right, And he's not

685
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: a fumbler. And you know, I mean, that's didn't go

686
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: your way to say the least. So my biggest takeaway

687
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: of reliving that as you kind of broke down the

688
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: play by play the three fumbles, none went your way.

689
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: None. All was on the ground three times, right, and

690
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: you recovered none of them.

691
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: And if you get one of those, or if he

692
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: just slides, yeah, yeah, I mean it's probably a different

693
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: game alone again, cover any of the three.

694
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: I said this at the time. I have no problem

695
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: with him trying to make a play in that situation.

696
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: He's got one guy to beat and the guy it's

697
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: it's again, it's like a goalie in soccer. You get

698
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: the big net to cover. He had thirty yards of field,

699
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: are twenty yards of field to cover by himself.

700
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: With Darius Washington, he's the smallest defender on the field

701
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: and he guessed right, he did.

702
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: He dove to his right as opposed to diving to

703
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: his left, and you know, made a play.

704
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: Wilson needs to hold the ball though, Yeah, yeah, I mean, oh,

705
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: no doubt. That's the crime. Not trying to run over

706
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: the small guy.

707
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: And he wasn't trying to run over me. He's trying

708
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: to run around him.

709
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: But the guy got and you're sniffing the goal line.

710
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: It's right there. Yeah. I remember not being mad at

711
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: him or upset or thought it was the wrong decision

712
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: to not slide, but you got Fumbling's never okay, you know.

713
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: The defense and compounds that mistake by giving up a

714
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: ninety six yard touchdown right on which the Ravens never

715
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: saw a third down until Jackson threw his third down

716
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: touchdown pass at the from the eight or fourteen I'm

717
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: sorry it was third and eight from the fourteen. They

718
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: finally got the third down and couldn't get off the

719
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: field give up the touchdown. That's where the game was

720
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: lost right there.

721
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: To me, right, that's the turning point.

722
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: Those plays in the game. Now, there was obviously the

723
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: interception after the Lamar Jackson interception in the second half,

724
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: didn't you know that just turned things.

725
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: But the whole script changes after those things too.

726
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: If it's fourteen to seven, if you score on that

727
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: drive and it's fourteen seven, or it's fourteen nothing because

728
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: you didn't have you recovered either one.

729
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: Of those first two balls.

730
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling you right now, Lamar Jackson, who's been

731
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: asked a thousand times in the last three years, why

732
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: do the Steelers have your number? Why can't you play

733
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: well against the Steelers? Goes back farther than three years. Yeah,

734
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: and I've seen his answers time and again. I don't know.

735
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with this. I don't know.

736
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 3: It's not because of Cam Hayward or Yeah. The site

737
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: one thing, right, if that happens, stadium would be a

738
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: solely totally different of course.

739
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're if you're up ten nothing, you're

740
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: up fourteen nothing, you're up fourteen three, whatever it is.

741
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: Now A you're taking Derrick Henry out of the game, Yeah, yeah,

742
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: because they'll give up on Dereck Henry. They do it

743
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: because when they get when they go to third downs,

744
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry is not on the field.

745
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: Now I remember previewing that game going I think it

746
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: was a game before that Baltimore and is like he

747
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: only played like fifty percent of snap. Yeah, I mean

748
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: there's a couple games like that.

749
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: But if you let the Ravens get up on you,

750
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 2: oh you're you're gonna get a hell he dosed Derick Henry.

751
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: And that even before Henry was a Raven. I mean

752
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: that was been their specialty of late. They get a

753
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: big lead and then they're really hard to come back. Yeah.

754
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: But I mean, if you look at it, can't start slow.

755
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: You can't start slow, and you can't on either side

756
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 2: of the ball, on either side of the ball.

757
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: And this and the Eagles of the two worst teams traditionally,

758
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: if you start slow against them, forget about it, you know.

759
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: And you look at Jackson's overall numbers in the game,

760
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: and what happened.

761
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: They didn't light him up.

762
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: No, he was fifteen to twenty three for two hundred

763
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: and seven yards, which is fine. He had the three

764
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: touchdown passes again that's you don't want that to happen.

765
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: But he had an interception. He had nine carries for

766
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: twenty two yards.

767
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, as usual, they bottle himup.

768
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: Pretty well and he lost a fumble or he had

769
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 2: a fumble like so he had the interception in the fumble.

770
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: That was a typical kind of Lamar Jackson game against

771
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: the Steelers other than the three touchdown passes.

772
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: The Henry stuff.

773
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: You can the Henry stuff can't happen. No, it can't.

774
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 2: You can't allow him to take over the game.

775
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: And it worries me. I mean, I keep coming back

776
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: to time possession that I thought it would be so

777
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: much better in this past game. But I mean there's

778
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: been two hundred and forty minutes of game time over

779
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: this four game losing streak, and the Steelers have had

780
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: the ball for like one oh one. It's slightly over

781
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: one oh one. Now, I didn't think they wore down

782
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: like they did in other games this past week, coming

783
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: off somewhere, coming off the rest, and Preston Smith's it

784
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: in there and you know, we don't talk about him

785
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: later too, but like rotating some dudes, and I think

786
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: they're better equipped to deal with that now. But it

787
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: can't be another thirty eight minutes, no, you know type

788
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 3: of thing against I mean, even Henry's getting thre.

789
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: Yards unless you win a turnover battle like four to

790
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 2: nothing or four to one.

791
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: As a kick, right, you know, something like they can't

792
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: make a kick or something. And he's gotten a little better,

793
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: but he's only had like three kicks since we saw

794
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: him last.

795
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: If you remember in that game as well, the Steelers

796
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: actually ran the ball effectively.

797
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

798
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what Baltimore is now doing, Kyle Hamilton's not

799
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage any now. Kyle Hamilton's playing

800
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: free safety.

801
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: They have smaller people near the ball.

802
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you can run the ball against these guys.

803
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: It used to be nobody runs against the first time

804
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: we previewed Steelers Ravens. Best run defense in the league,

805
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: worst pass defense in the league. Well, both are the

806
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 3: pass defenses light years get better, and since we saw

807
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 3: them last or that game, the defense as a whole

808
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: is much better. But people have run on them. I mean,

809
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: the run defense is not disinpended. That's kind of one

810
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: of the things they gave up, which was a good

811
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: deal for them. If they traded twenty percent of their

812
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: run defense they couldn't continue to right right and got

813
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: back fifty percent of their pass defense. It was good trade.

814
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 3: But their run defense is not impended.

815
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: If you look at that game, the Steelers had one

816
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety eight passing yards. The Ravens had one

817
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety eight passing yards. You know, both quarterbacks

818
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: through an interception, the difference being the Steelers interception was

819
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: returned for a touchdown right right, easily the worst pass

820
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: that Russ Wilson has thrown as a Steeler shouldn't happen.

821
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: Tell you that, Tell you that shouldn't happen. The difference

822
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: in the game to me was Derrick Henry.

823
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: But your points strong that if the game starts differently.

824
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: You take Derrick Henry out, you get up ten points

825
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: on that if.

826
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: You ever take them out.

827
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: But I mean it's you see hack of a lot

828
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: less of them.

829
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: It's not over and over and over and over trying

830
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: to tackle him.

831
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: That's the That's what happened the first time in the

832
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: victory here against the Ravens. The Steelers forced that early fumble. Now,

833
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: they were kicking field goals in that game. They forced

834
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: Henry to fumble early, and you didn't see as much

835
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: of him in that game.

836
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: No, No, he's not the third down back, right. I

837
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: assume that's Mitchell now because it.

838
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: Used to be Hill Hill should be back this week.

839
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: It was it was cleared last week and they decided

840
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 2: to sit him.

841
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: Again because they didn't give them Okay, yeah, he's kind

842
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: of valuable to them. He's not a special player, but

843
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: he's on the field more than you think. He's not

844
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 3: out there all the time.

845
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: No, again, if you can get off to a fast

846
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: start in this game, it's been a problem, even if

847
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: it's just a if it's a fast start defensively to

848
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: where you force them get a three and out early,

849
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: or even if they get one first down and you

850
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: force a punt o.

851
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: Three and outs over and over from both sides, to

852
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: be fine by me. Yeah, flog it up.

853
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: Turn this into a rock fight again, absolutely, because I

854
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: don't think the Ravens want to play a rock fight.

855
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: No, I don't think they're that as much of that

856
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: type of team as they have.

857
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: They want Lamar out there running around and doing Lamar

858
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: things and you know.

859
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, throwing the ball all over the lighter and

860
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: faster on defense now than you know, physical and nasty,

861
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: you know, right, which is working, you know. But they're

862
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: they're a little bit different, constructive.

863
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: And I think Flowers being out.

864
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: It's big, it's huge, it's huge, huge. It should help

865
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: you defend Henry. Yes, it is the bottom line, Like

866
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: of course they're not just going to eliminate them, you know,

867
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: like Gary Payton happy wow. But if poor can deal

868
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: with Bateman and make it can deal with Andrews a

869
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: reasonable amount of time, third downs leaves a lot of

870
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: resources to off the run. Yeah, you know.

871
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's where they're at.

872
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's gonna be a call. I means we're

873
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: not saying, oh, money in the bank. You know, these

874
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: guys are really good.

875
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Speaker 2: We'll get more into this game as the week goes on.

876
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

877
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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive. You're

878
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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and I'll be back

879
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Speaker 2: with more right after this.

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Speaker 3: At least.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolli. He is the Matt

885
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Speaker 2: Williamson and this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.

886
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: And Matte you mentioned the Preston Smith stuff, and yeah,

887
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was born because what they

888
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: were doing was they're putting him out there in some

889
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: nickel and dime situation. Is allowing him to be an

890
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: interior rusher in those situations. I don't know if some

891
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: of that was because Cam Hayward had to flu which way.

892
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: I didn't know until after the game. I don't know

893
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: if you did, But.

894
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know until he mentioned it after the game.

895
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: He wouldn't have been able to tell by the way

896
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: he plays. He was one of the best players on

897
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: the field, but they did kind of limit his snaps

898
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: a little bit more than usual. And when Cincinnati ran

899
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: the ball, it was like if Cam Hayward was standing

900
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 2: on the sidelines. Yeah, the Bengals ran.

901
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: The football, and that's been something all year, by the way, folks, Yeah,

902
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: I mean like it's very I wonder how many rush

903
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: attempts Hayward faces. I mean it's a really low percentage.

904
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: It's not none, but it's a very low percentage. So

905
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: watching that game, not knowing that the Cam situation, I thought,

906
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: this is an interesting wrinkle. You know, put three outside

907
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: linebackers on the field together. I've always been interested of

908
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: how you could do that. He's a power player. He's

909
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: different than Herbig. He wouldn't do that same thing with Herbig,

910
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: you know, over guards and centers and things. And I thought, well,

911
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: Burrow's not the easiest guy to get on the ground.

912
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: You want to be a little more agile.

913
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: You don't want him stepping up on the pocket.

914
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: You don't want to them step on in the pocket.

915
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: Preston's length is impressive, not that Haywards isn't. But they

916
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: also don't have a much of a run threat either,

917
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: you know, like if it's third and five and they

918
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: check to a run because Cam's got out there, Okay,

919
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 3: we'll take that chance against Herbert.

920
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: One of the reporters around me like Herbert's running a lot.

921
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

922
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: At times in that game again, when Hayward was on

923
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 2: the sideline and one of the reporters around me's like, boy,

924
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: he's really being effective. How many yards does he have

925
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: in some like it wasn't much. He was three point

926
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: five yards to carry. Yeah, like you wanted to keep

927
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: doing that? Have had it?

928
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a win. I thought the same thing, like

929
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 3: he's not great. The block run was eight. Yeah, there's

930
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: no explosives. It's fine, you know, right again you mentioned

931
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: the first segment. The longest play they let up all

932
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: day was nineteen yard. Yeah, were on the field for

933
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Speaker 3: thirty eight minutes.

934
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know again, it was a lot of you know,

935
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: Burrow completions and short completions. But the running game didn't

936
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: you know, that didn't kill you. No, they converted some

937
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: stuff and that. But again, at the end of the day,

938
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: they were five or thirteen on third downs.

939
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that wasn't super efficient angles performance, No,

940
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 3: there was. The passing game is efficient. It was explosive. Yeah,

941
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: the run game was kind of neither.

942
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I I thought that was interesting.

943
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's here to stay in some capacity,

944
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: Like I'm never in favor of Hayward not being on

945
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 3: the field, but you could do it with Cam. Yeah,

946
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 3: you know that's that's not against.

947
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: And there were some instances where they did do that.

948
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: I thought. So. Yeah, Benton got his first sack, and

949
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: he's gonna be out there I think more on third

950
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: downs too, I mean yeah, yeah, right, and he's a

951
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 3: way better pass for it. Sounds like, boy, his first sack,

952
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 3: he's been a really good pass rusher all year.

953
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just a big guy that yeah takes you know,

954
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: you're coming from the interior. You're getting doubled a lot

955
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: because you're the nose, you know, even in pass rush situations.

956
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: But I you know, he's going to get there more

957
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: often to me than Ogan ob does.

958
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: I tend to think. So. I didn't think this was

959
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: a great Ogren Jobe game. Again, And it feels he's

960
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: always one of those doesn't always practice on Wednesday guys.

961
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: Has had a lot of ailments. And you know, Tim

962
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: Bens and I often joke that most of his plays

963
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: come in the first quarter. You, I mean, like, I

964
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: think he is problems going. I don't think he's a

965
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: marathon runner. Just put it that way, you know. And

966
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 3: he's a good player. He's a little expensive. I would

967
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 3: love to see that be kind of an upgrade in

968
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: the offseason. Again, he's an asset. He's not bad, but

969
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: he seems to late in games, late in the season

970
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: be less effective.

971
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, I thought, I again, I thought

972
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: that was a plus. Yeah, I thought Trice was a

973
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Speaker 2: plus me too.

974
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Speaker 3: People gave Trice a hard time. I thought he had

975
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: played a really good game. Yeah, absolutely, and Porter was

976
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: really good. And Porter was yeah, very good, as well

977
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: as Higgins or rafter. Higgins went out.

978
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: And you know, I know Ogus sick. He ended up

979
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: with what he finished with.

980
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't crazy.

981
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: He had eight for sixty eight, you know, on ten targets. Again,

982
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: if that's I mean, that's your your top one of

983
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: your top receivers, and that's the foundation in your offense.

984
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 2: It's not bottom line. The Bengals average seven point five

985
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: yards per catch in that game.

986
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I got nothing over the top.

987
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: Great receivers, great quarterback. Take it again. Tackling was great.

988
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: The tackling was great. And it doesn't hurt that Deshaun

989
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Elliott was back. Deshaun Elliott missed the game against the

990
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: Ravens the first time around. Yeah, back to steels with

991
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: without several starters in that game, and uh, you know

992
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: that could be something that makes a little bit of

993
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: a difference in this one.

994
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: I probably should have mentioned this earlier, But what what

995
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: kind of injury stuff are we looking at coming out

996
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: of the game.

997
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: The only thing that they had was the Mason McCormick

998
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: hand fracture that looks like he has a good chance

999
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: to play this week.

1000
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I assume though they could do some kind of cast.

1001
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: I don't think. Yeah, like a club and brace, it

1002
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: would be the obvious replacement.

1003
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could go that direction. I don't. I don't

1004
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 2: think that's going to be the case. I think Mason

1005
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: McCormick plays. Tomlin said that that he saw Dante Jackson today.

1006
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: The back was feeling much better, you know, so you

1007
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: might be at full strength here for this one, which

1008
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: is something you weren't first summer. You didn't have Ogun Joby,

1009
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: you didn't have uh.

1010
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: I think Elliott's.

1011
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: Elliott has been really especially against tight ends, against tight ends,

1012
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: against a run, I mean against Henry.

1013
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: I think he's a glue guy that does everything. Yeah,

1014
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: he's more important than stats would ever indicate.

1015
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: Who else?

1016
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: Real they missing?

1017
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: They missing Jackson in that game too? Or is it

1018
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: Porter was missing? So you're taking Porter, Elliott and Ogan

1019
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: Joby out of your defense for that game against the Ravens.

1020
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: Right right, No, it's in better shape now and it's fresher.

1021
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: No, Jackson was already out. And then and then Porter

1022
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: got hurt because he already missed the entire Kansas City game.

1023
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: He got hurt in game in that one.

1024
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: That makes sense, that's exactly what happened.

1025
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: JA was already and Jackson was already out.

1026
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're helping Pierre and those guys. Yeah. Yeah,

1027
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: And I think it's pretty clear that Trice is past

1028
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: Pierre on the depth chart. Like when Jackson was ruled out,

1029
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: I I just sent a tweet out. I'm like, I

1030
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: hope Trice gets a start. I don't know if he

1031
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: will or not. I'm glad he did because I think

1032
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: there's something to build on there.

1033
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. I would agree. Let's get to

1034
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: a break. That's going to do it for our number

1035
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

1036
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: Matt and I will be back with our number two

1037
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Speaker 2: right after this