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Speaker 2: D Oh, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Everybody?

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Speaker 4: Welcome in here, good Saturday morning. As we stretch on

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Speaker 4: our legs and talk some NFL little NBA action. Shout

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Speaker 4: out to my nephew, Mini Matt. He's getting married today.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 4: I cannot believe this man. He is twenty one years old.

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Speaker 4: He's getting married. I know Jared and I will have

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Speaker 4: our various views on marriage here. Shortly the show progresses.

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Speaker 2: Rich the family man between the three of us, well,

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Speaker 2: the other tour out there in the world.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one though. I'll tell you what that is. Oh

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Speaker 3: man giving up some prime real estate. But listen, listen.

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Speaker 3: It was good for him, good for him. No, I

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Speaker 3: wish them the best. Congratulations to your cousin. Is that

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Speaker 3: what is your cousin?

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Speaker 2: Nephew nephew.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy, man, I can't believe time has gone

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Speaker 4: by so fast. It's funny because I was just a

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Speaker 4: random store the other day and my nephew, I've always

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Speaker 4: called him Mini, like that was the time when Minnie

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Speaker 4: Me was a thing with the Austin Powers movies. So

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Speaker 4: I just called him Mini Matt and it stuck. So

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Speaker 4: I went into a random store the other day and

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Speaker 4: Minnie was all into Mindcraft as a young kid, and

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Speaker 4: there was just this little T shirt for a kid

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Speaker 4: in there. And I texted my sister, I'm like, how

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Speaker 4: did we go from Mindcraft to marriage? I can't believe

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Speaker 4: he's getting married already, But here we are. Man, Well,

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Speaker 4: we could segue to this Darvin Ham fired.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the thing, Jared.

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Speaker 4: You brought this up, as you know, the two divorced

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Speaker 4: guys on the show, you and I can attest to this.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't take long for the honeymoon to wear off. No,

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Speaker 4: and that's exactly what happened with Darvin Ham. You remember

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Speaker 4: how Giddy Lebron and Anthony Davis were just two years

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Speaker 4: ago when they hired the guy, and now it seems

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Speaker 4: like they can't to get rid of him. But in

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Speaker 4: any event, he's out of a gig.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I look at this and the first word that

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Speaker 3: enters my mind, and I'm sure many others, is scapegoat.

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Speaker 3: But at the same token, you know, as I've thought

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Speaker 3: about this more really since their season ended, because I

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Speaker 3: knew he would be fired. And the reason why I

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Speaker 3: knew he would be fired is because something symbolic has

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Speaker 3: to happen after this team gets bounced in the first round.

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Speaker 3: That's just when you have Anthony Davis and you have

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Speaker 3: Lebron James, and you have the role players in the

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Speaker 3: supporting cast that they have, it really does feel unacceptable,

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Speaker 3: and so from a franchise to its fan base, it

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Speaker 3: feels like there needs to be some sort of blood letting,

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Speaker 3: some sort of you know, symbolic acknowledgment that hey, we're

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Speaker 3: doing something to progress forward. This is unacceptable. So dot

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Speaker 3: dot dot dot, you knew it was coming. Darvin Ham

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Speaker 3: gets fired. So I've had more time than I think.

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Speaker 3: Maybe some other people are just reacting to the news

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Speaker 3: to think about this, because I assume this was going

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Speaker 3: to be the case, And the way I feel about

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Speaker 3: it now is, yeah, I still think he's being scapegoaded here. However,

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Speaker 3: I do think if you have the wrong voice at

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Speaker 3: the front of the class, you know, if the person

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Speaker 3: who is you know, speaking on your behalf as the

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Speaker 3: but the coach is like, you know, it gives you

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Speaker 3: what happened here. Maybe Darvin ham was given this opportunity

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Speaker 3: the job, and maybe there was some headbutting that was

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna let this fly. And maybe maybe that

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Speaker 3: relationship soured even more over to I don't know. My

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Speaker 3: each other for the most part. And if that relationship dissolves,

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Speaker 3: what are you gonna do get rid of Lebron? You know?

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Speaker 3: So the answer is, of course not, you're gonna get

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Speaker 2: How much do coaches really matter in the NBA? Guys,

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Speaker 2: like we're about to see it tonight. Chris Finch is

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Speaker 2: right now? Is the question that I have. I don't

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Speaker 2: I think these guys are just kind of figureheads right now.

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Speaker 2: Now that's not every situation. I think there are some

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Speaker 2: don't know if it really matters at the end of

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Speaker 2: Darvin was able to accomplish with the Lakers, but I

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Speaker 2: just don't think it at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: when when push comes to shove, Lebron really needs a

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Speaker 2: coach like he just I just think it's just kind

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Speaker 2: Like it's just it's it's not imperative for them to

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Speaker 2: and Lebron have left. I just don't think the right

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Speaker 2: all on the players, and that's where the NBA has

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Speaker 2: gone these days, like it is a player's sport. It's

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Speaker 2: a players league. I think the coaches and the button

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Speaker 2: pushing that goes on on the sidelines, it's just it

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Speaker 2: just because of how important that you know, situation has

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Speaker 2: don't know if there's any coaches like that left in

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Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, whoever they bring

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Speaker 2: But I don't know how much a head coach in

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Speaker 4: I hear you, it matters. We might make it out

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Speaker 4: to matter more than it actually does. I'd give you

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Speaker 4: a good example. Look at Greg Popovich. It's not an

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Speaker 4: exot he just forgot how to coach, you know what

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Speaker 4: now they can't win twenty games right Like, they're struggling,

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Speaker 4: right though. It's such a young team, so it certainly

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Speaker 4: is a player's league, there's no doubt about that. But

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Speaker 4: the Lakers look at this and they say, we think

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Speaker 4: we can find a better head coach. So ask yourself this,

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Speaker 4: if the Lakers somehow got to Ron lou from the Clippers,

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Speaker 4: would that make a difference compared to Darvin Ham? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it would. Would it make the ultimate difference? Probably not,

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Speaker 4: but they're looking to get better. I also think this.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because you look at the Mavericks last night.

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Speaker 4: The MAVs beat the Clippers. They move on to the

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Speaker 4: second round. And it's funny because you gotta give it

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Speaker 4: a little bit of time. We were clowning Dallas last

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Speaker 4: they're starting to kick it into gear. They made a

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Speaker 2: Now they have Luca and Kyrie.

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Speaker 4: The reason I bring this up as it relates to

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Speaker 4: the Lakers, they just don't have time.

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Speaker 4: You look at Lebron's not only on the second nine.

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Speaker 4: If this is augusta right, not exact nineteenth dolls right,

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Speaker 4: we're getting close to eighteen. There really isn't time. So

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Speaker 4: I get it if they're looking to progress and they're

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Speaker 4: looking at it and saying, did Darvin Ham set the

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Speaker 4: bar so high that we can't do any better? And

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Speaker 4: obviously the answer is no. So I can't look at

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Speaker 4: them like, what are you guys doing? If you're trying

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Speaker 4: to get better, that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And listen, you just mentioned the Mavericks. Jason Kidd,

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Speaker 3: their head coach, hired in twenty twenty one. The Lakers

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Speaker 3: Now do I think that Jason Kidd deserves all of

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Speaker 3: the credit for what the Mavericks are doing no, but

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Speaker 3: I think relationship wise, I think from a standpoint of

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Speaker 3: player respect wise, it just appears to be a better

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Speaker 3: night in, night out basis, be saying things to himself

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Speaker 3: like why did we make that substitution? Why did he

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Speaker 3: trust for the decision maker who can blow the whistle

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Speaker 3: on the game and say, all right, everybody, get around

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Speaker 3: the clip you know the clipboard. I got to show

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Speaker 3: you something on the whiteboard here. We're gonna you know,

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Speaker 3: Like if he doesn't, if he's off to the side

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Speaker 3: chewing on his mouthpiece, which I don't know about you guys,

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Speaker 3: but when I watch Laker games, Lebron James doesn't look

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Speaker 3: all that engaged in what Darvin Ham is saying when

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Speaker 3: he's calling on the trot on the troops. I think

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Speaker 3: that's a problem. So, yeah, listen, Darvin Ham, is is

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Speaker 3: an easy place to put the weighty blame of a

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Speaker 3: poor season and then a poor postseason on his way

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Speaker 3: out the door. Because he can carry the load for

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Speaker 3: the Lakers. The problem is who do they hire that

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Speaker 3: can contend with the immense and vast intelligence and talent

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Speaker 3: and experience that Lebron James has. Popovich maybe, but would

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Speaker 3: they butt heads? Probably? Maybe Steve Kerr. He's not leaving

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Speaker 3: Golden State, you know what I mean. Like we sort

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Speaker 3: of named them, Like there's like maybe three, it's less

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Speaker 3: than a handful of coaches in the NBA who he

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Speaker 3: be a JJ Reddick. Maybe it does have to be

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Speaker 3: one of these genius players who you know, were good

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Speaker 3: role players in the NBA, who would know their place

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Speaker 3: in the pecking order with Lebron James and would be

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Speaker 3: able to guide a franchise. I But but do it

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Speaker 3: while essentially giving Lebron James access to doing what he

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Speaker 3: it's not going to work. Otherwise it's going to be

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Speaker 3: a rotation of guys like Frank Vogel and Darvin Ham

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Speaker 3: who maybe they're great coaches, maybe they're great people, but

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Speaker 3: If Lebron James ultimately doesn't have an intense amount of

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Speaker 4: Ball still on our brains, meaning football, of course. And

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Speaker 2: that thinks that, you know, there's still a lot of

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00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: life there. But now you're kind of going down this

433
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: specialist role like this, you know, slash Cordell Stewart kind

434
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: of role. And I don't know what that looks like

435
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 2: for not only Justin but the Steelers and where he

436
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: fits into that because he is still a really good

437
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: he could be a really good kick returner and this

438
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: could be another chapter of his career. But to your point, Rich,

439
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: money talks, and you ain't getting paid the same kick

440
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: returner salaries. You're getting his a quarterback, even if it's

441
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: a backup. So this is an interesting dynamic and I

442
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: will be paying very close attention to the you know,

443
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: the preseason reports and the training camp reports and to

444
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 2: see how Justin kind of handles this transition.

445
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Speaker 3: You know.

446
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 4: Props to our trusted producer Bo Benson, who is fighting

447
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: through a heavy heart today with the departure of Darvin

448
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 4: Ham from his very sad with that.

449
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 3: He was like Ham fan, like you have that Jawich

450
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: number one Ham fan, that's right, Yeah, guy sandwiches for

451
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: every Laker games, Yeah, Lakers number one Jersey was one

452
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: of those like build your own at the NBA shop.

453
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: He's like, yep, no problem, he's powering through.

454
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 4: He's got a thought here on Justin Fields.

455
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 2: Bro, you think no.

456
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Speaker 7: I just the minute I saw this story, the first

457
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 7: thing that came into my mind was that there was

458
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 7: a loud contingent of Bears fans that were like, no,

459
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 7: let's trade that first overall, pick and build around this

460
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 7: guy as a quarterback. And now you've got the Steelers

461
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 7: being like, maybe we can put them on specials.

462
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: That did not age well.

463
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 4: That did not age well for anyone who was like,

464
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 4: don't draft Caleb Williams.

465
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 2: Just run it back with Justin Fields.

466
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: The Steelers have said he's our QB two to Russell Wilson,

467
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 4: no questions asked, and we might have.

468
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: Him as the kickoff returner.

469
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

470
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 4: We're just kicking it around right now. I don't think

471
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: that's gonna happen. But that is not an argument that.

472
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: A going to be interesting this year. Guys. I'll be honest.

473
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: You watched the XFL. There's some strategy there, oh yeah,

474
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: laid out by some of these teams, and there's gonna

475
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 2: be some big kickoff returns are gonna change games this year.

476
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're gonna have elaborate blocking steams. I can

477
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 4: just imagine the Detroit Lions, who do this on offense

478
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: all the time with their blocking schemes, what they're gonna

479
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 4: come up with on these kickoff returns.

480
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 8: They spent one of their draft picks this year on

481
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 8: Sioni Vaki, who is, like everyone says, like he has

482
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 8: made for for kickoff returns.

483
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 2: Oh he was.

484
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,239
Speaker 3: Team's going to draft around it now.

485
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: Very unique, very.

486
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: Changing in the bottom of the first round by the Chiefs.

487
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: I mean, don't sleep on Xavier Worthy, the fastest combined

488
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: time ever. I mean, put the ball in his hands

489
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: on a kick return situation.

490
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Speaker 4: Holmes needs Yeah, I think this too, where I can't

491
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 4: believe this is the thing, But Justin Field's got traded

492
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 4: to the Steelers for a sixth round pick. If he

493
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: plays fifty one percent or more of the offensive snaps,

494
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 4: that sixth round pick becomes a fourth round pick.

495
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: There's no way it'll ever become that unless Wilson gets hurt.

496
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 4: That's right, they would make Let's say Wilson gets replaced,

497
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 4: that's possible. Or let's say Russ gets hurt. Yeah, and

498
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: Justin Fields is the guy. If Justin Fields was actually

499
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 4: the kickoff returner, could the amount of returns push him

500
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: over the top of fifty one percent of the offensive snaps?

501
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: And right now it's unclear if special team snaps would

502
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 4: count toward the playing time clause. And I'm like, how

503
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 4: can it be unclear? Should we know that? But it

504
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 4: brings up an interesting question. We've seen many of these

505
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 4: trades where it's like it's a contingent pick. It could

506
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 4: be Aaron Rodgers last year. Yeah, it was a third rounder,

507
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: could become a second rounder, that sort of thing.

508
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: So if there's yeah, not.

509
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 4: Close, but you understand where what if a guy could

510
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 4: expand his role, would that still count toward the amount

511
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: of offensive snaps and could turn whatever a third round

512
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: pick to a second round.

513
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 3: Like that says no?

514
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: And the Steelers are kind of playing chess here everyone

515
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: else playing checkers.

516
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also I'm very curious what Justin Fields thinks

517
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: of this, right. I Also the fact that it got

518
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: out the way it did because wasn't it his teammate,

519
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: wasn't it Warren who was talking on a podcast, Jalen

520
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: Warren just sort of let slip that this was something

521
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: that was being discussed inside the building. And I'm sure,

522
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's excited, and I'm sure he was just

523
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: you know, talking with a buddy or somebody who was

524
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: comfortable with and let's slip you know, a little piece

525
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: of information that I'm sure the Steelers weren't all too

526
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: thrilled that got out. Oh I bet they were not

527
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: happy about that at all.

528
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that's how it got out.

529
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was on Cameron Hayward's podcast, and they've

530
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 4: got like their.

531
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: Live crowd change in the game.

532
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: It wasn't in like some guy's basement. There's a crowd

533
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: of Steelers fans in front of him. And the immediate

534
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: reaction from Cam Hayward was like, you're giving away secrets already.

535
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: And I didn't know if it was like, wow, they

536
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: were having fun here, if it was like.

537
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 3: What are you doing laying the SmackDown on him? No,

538
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: for sure, Yeah he was. He was. He was letting

539
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 3: him know, like, dude, you just pissed off somebody saying that,

540
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: and in that that's.

541
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: The betterest part of the story.

542
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: Frankly. Yeah, and and and so this truly was one

543
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: of those situations where we got we got to see

544
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: behind a curtain we weren't supposed to and and the

545
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: reality of the situation is now Justin Field too again. Look,

546
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: this has happened to him on the way out the

547
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: door in Chicago about Kayleb Williams, Willie they or won't

548
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: they trade him? And then you know, he unfollowed the Bears,

549
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: he unfilowed the NFL on Instagram. That became a story.

550
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: It's happening now again in Pittsburgh, like the curtain is

551
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: getting pulled back on this on this guy's career and

552
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: it's only just started and nothing sacred with Justin Fields.

553
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 3: It feels like, you know, it's like, I mean, we

554
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: we know too much. Look, he most likely this is

555
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: the that Justin Fields is gonna go. Because if if

556
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: I were his agent and I heard that the Steelers

557
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: were tinkering with the idea of putting him on special teams,

558
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: I would call up Justin and be like, hey, you

559
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: do not catch another punt. We're not doing that, Justin,

560
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: And then I'm gonna get on the phone with with

561
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: with the general manager and we're gonna have words, But

562
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: do not catch another kick. Or a punt because you're

563
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: a quarterback justin okay, and if they don't treat you

564
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: like a quarterback, I'm gonna get you out of there.

565
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 3: Like that's the conversation that needs to happen behind the scenes,

566
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: because look, it is all about team. It is all

567
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: about winning. And do I think he would be an

568
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: electric punt or kick returner. Absolutely, that guy can score

569
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: on anywhere on the football field. He is an incredible athlete.

570
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: But it would be the worst thing he could do

571
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: for his hurting potential in the NFL.

572
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing. Yeah, it does. It look like

573
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: stardom written all over it with the Steelers as of

574
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 4: right now. But look how many quarterbacks played last season?

575
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 4: What was it like sixty six quarterbacks?

576
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks?

577
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: Quarterback at some point this year, right, so he could

578
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 4: he could get dealt somewhere else. And for the Steelers,

579
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: a quarterback who was a former first round pick, who

580
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: a team they their starter goes down and you could

581
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: deal justin fields, you could flip them for you know,

582
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 4: any type of draft pick. Yeah, I don't know if

583
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 4: you want to use him as a kick returner when

584
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: you could decrease.

585
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: The value too. If they want to ever move them.

586
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: It's a very good point.

587
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: You know who increases his value every time he speaks here.

588
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 4: That would be Isaac lowen Kron. Oh yeah, you know

589
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: he's gonna go from you know, a first round pick

590
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: here to two first round picks in compensation with this

591
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 4: update right here.

592
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: I love with the latest.

593
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, I gotta be honest.

594
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm a little cranky.

595
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 9: I feel entitled to compensation because, uh, to paint the

596
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 9: picture for a radio audience. I look like a complete

597
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 9: slob this morning. I literally got dressed in the dark,

598
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 9: and for these hours I have to stare at mister

599
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 9: GQ over there, Rich Ornberger, who has all quaffed his

600
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 9: hair slip back. Yeah, don't act surprise. It'll give me

601
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 9: the false modesty vitual. This is how I look on

602
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 9: a damasis. He's just a hot.

603
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: Guy, just a super attractive man trying to wander through

604
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: this world. No, I I got all done up. I'm

605
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: going to a graduation party.

606
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah boy, it's a festive weekend for there.

607
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: We got a wedding, graduation party.

608
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got nothing. That's not true.

609
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: You got parlays, Come on, oh, we got parlays.

610
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: Baby.

611
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 9: It's always a festive weekend when parlays are involved, especially

612
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 9: with the Orlando Magic, because they forced a Game seven

613
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 9: of their opening round series with the Cleveland Cavaliers last

614
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 9: night one O three to ninety seven and one O

615
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 9: three to ninety six, rather despite fifty by Donovan Mitchell.

616
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 9: Game seven will be Sunday at Cleveland. The Dallas Mavericks

617
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 9: advanced to Round two with a one fourteen to one

618
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 9: oh one victory on Friday night over the Los Angeles Clippers,

619
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 9: keyed by Kyrie. He's Chuck Cooperstein on kzyps and.

620
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: Out to Kyrie again seven to shut right half park

621
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: between his guys, crossing over to.

622
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: The right corner, rolla Tucker for three.

623
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: Break down my house, good down, Kyrie.

624
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 9: Just incredible part of his twenty eight point second half.

625
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 9: Dallas will face one seed Oklahoma City in Round two,

626
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 9: starting at Tuesday in Oklahoma City. In Game six of

627
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 9: the Stanley Cup Playoffs on Friday night, the Vegas Golden

628
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 9: Knights defeated the Dallas Stars two nothing to force a

629
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 9: game seven in their opening round series. Vancouver wonted Nashville

630
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 9: won nothing to take that series four games to two.

631
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 9: Pious Suitors scored the game winning goal, the only goal

632
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 9: of the game, with one thirty nine left in the

633
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 9: third period. Baseball Friday night, the Dodgers rallied for a

634
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 9: four to three eleven inning victory over the Atlanta Braves.

635
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 9: Show Hey Otani tied it with an RBI single in

636
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 9: the bottom of the tenth. Andy Pias won it with

637
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 9: an RBI single in the bottom of the eleventh. Padres

638
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 9: won an Arizona seven to one. Multiple outlets reporting the

639
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 9: Padres close to a deal to acquire second basement. Luis

640
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 9: Arise from the Miami Marlins, gentlemen and rich back to you.

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00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: Really really ridiculously difficult to be this good looking? Okay,

642
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: I low.

643
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 9: And literally there's a spotlight shining on him while I'm

644
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 9: over there.

645
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: Like a troll under the bridge.

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00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: That's right, hey.

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00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,280
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651
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: review it again. Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you

652
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: get your podcasts, and you'll see the show posted right

653
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 4: after we get off the air. You know it made

654
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: me think with I Loo playing that sound, Kyrie Irving

655
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: went crazy in the second half.

656
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: He only had two points in the first half.

657
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: He dropped twenty eight in the second half as the

658
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: MAVs beat the Clippers in Game six. MAVs move on

659
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 4: to the second round. But the clip was, Kyrie Irving,

660
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: you are just incredible. And you know what made me

661
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: think of it made me think of the Bear's cult

662
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: Super Bowl when Devin Hester took back the original kickoff

663
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: and the play by play guy was like, Devin Hester,

664
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: you are ridiculous, And it just made me think what

665
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: we're talking about with justin fields and kickoff returns. I

666
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: hope kickoff returns are back in the NFL. With the

667
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: rule change, you're going to see a lot more of them.

668
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: I hope we get some more of that excitement from

669
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: Like when we were growing up, kickoff returns.

670
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: Were a huge demail me On Washington, my favorite player

671
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: and one of Jet's history. He was a lot of fun.

672
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: You could go with Tamark vanover right like throwing up

673
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: the X, and so many over the years were a

674
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 4: lot of fun.

675
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: Man.

676
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: I hope kickoff returns are really back in the NFL

677
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: because that's a lot of excitement. We just haven't had

678
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: the last handful of years, as the rules have been

679
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: tweaked from time to time to eliminate those collisions and

680
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: the concussions and all that stuff. We get it, but

681
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: with the rules being tweaked, maybe not gonna get the

682
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: best of both worlds where not as many concussions and

683
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: you get action on that play instead of a bunch

684
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: of touchbacks.

685
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember it was right after DeMar

686
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: Hamlin went down in Cincinnati and it was still touch

687
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: and go the next week, whether or not the Bills

688
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: would even play. And I want to say it was

689
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: against the Patriots. I can't remember exactly who the opponent was,

690
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: but they we returned two kickoff returns for touchdowns in

691
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: that game. The first one Hines took something like ninety

692
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: four ninety six yards to the house. It padded their

693
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: early lead. They had a seven to zero lead, and

694
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: then was it was it Heines again? Did he do

695
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 3: it again? I forget the exact circumstances, but you're absolutely right,

696
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: like that moment and this is two years ago now,

697
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: so it's stretching my memory, but that moment, it was

698
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: one of those moments in the NFL where this is

699
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: straight out of a movie like this doesn't happen. And

700
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: also it really did spotlight the fact that it feels

701
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: more special now than it ever has because even though

702
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: you are making the game safer by making that play less,

703
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: there's less collisions on that play, I guess, is how

704
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: I should phrase it. It does take away some of

705
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: the magic.

706
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, kickoff returns are back, guys, and it's just because

707
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: of the way that they're gonna scheme them.

708
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: Now.

709
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people don't like the rule

710
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: or you know, they don't like change and all those things,

711
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: and I understand that, but they're trying to put more

712
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: excitement in the game. I love it. I think it

713
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: gives these coaches something to chew on, and it gives

714
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: us a chance to break down something else that's a

715
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: bit of a curveball. And it will it will, mark

716
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: my words, it will have a big impact on many

717
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: games this year. I'm curious to see which coaches get

718
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: the most out of it and are able to kind

719
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: of squeeze that orange and get all the juice.

720
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 4: It's kind of like the scene from The Hangover right

721
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 4: where they had the great evening. They want a bunch

722
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: of money at the blackjack table, and they're like.

723
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: We're back, We're back.

724
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 4: Returners feel like right now, hey, we've got Rich Ornberger,

725
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 4: Penn State All American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm

726
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: Brian No coming up next the platter day parlay.

727
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: Huh.

728
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: Jared Smith has been cooking one up. He'll share it

729
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: with us. Right around the corner. It's Fox Sports Saturday,

730
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday,

731
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: right here on Fox Sports Radio. I've got some money

732
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: to make. Let's dive into this.

733
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Check this out, par lay letter.

734
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 4: Okay, Jared Smith, you've been in the lab cooking a

735
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 4: platter up.

736
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: What do you have for us? T Wolves Nuggets Game one.

737
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: I've been really getting involved in the prop market in

738
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: the NBA. As we've discussed. I think the sides and

739
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: the totals really tough to beat this time of year.

740
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: But the prop market, if you can kind of find

741
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: the matchup within the matchup, I think there's value. And

742
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: let's try to do that here with Game one of

743
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: Denver and Minnesota tonight into Mile High City. So we're

744
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 2: gonna put the joker right at the top. We're gonna

745
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: go over to eight and a half points. We're basically

746
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: selling a couple points off his standard line because when

747
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 2: you look at the games against Minnesota this year, they

748
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: have allowed him to score and they have taken away

749
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: the distribution element to his game. Three games against the

750
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: te Wolves, now, these games are all recent. One of

751
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: them really matter too for the number one seats, So

752
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 2: they had playoff field to them all and took place

753
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: within the last six weeks. Jokers averaging thirty six points

754
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: per game, thirty five, thirty two, forty one points in

755
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: that big game just a couple of weeks ago. The

756
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: assist numbers very down to five seven assists. He's only

757
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: averaging four and a half per game against Minnesota this year.

758
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray's the other side, right, they're taking away his scoring,

759
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: the assists are up for Jamal Murray. So we're gonna

760
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: put Joker points over twenty eight and a half first

761
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: leg of this parlay. So if Jokers not dishing it,

762
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: is there a big man on the floor that is

763
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: dishing the basketball? Why? Yes, Aaron Gordon, how about this stat, guys.

764
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: Three games against the te Wolves this year, Gordon leads

765
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: the team with fourteen potential assist per game. Jokich and

766
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 2: Murray just at ten each. So for some reason, maybe

767
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: it's because go bears in the paint. Gordon has a

768
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: little more room to operate and he can pass it

769
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: and he could find shooters and cutters very effectively. So

770
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: we're gonna put Aaron Gordon over four and a half assists. Again,

771
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 2: we're selling an assist on the standard line of three

772
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: and a half and in the last leg of the parlay,

773
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: Nuggets on the money line. This is easy, guys. They're

774
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: fourteen and two at home over the last three postseasons.

775
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if they win both games in Denver,

776
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: but I think they get off to a good start tonight.

777
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: So Jokic over twenty eight and a half points, Gordon

778
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: over four and a half assists, Nuggets money line plus

779
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: four point fifty not a bad three legger over at

780
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: bet MGM.

781
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: I like it.

782
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting one right there.

783
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: I always think, look, man, we always talk about this.

784
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: Styles make fights, and Michael Porter Junior, he was fantastic

785
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 4: against the Lakers, Yeah, and I want to see if

786
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: he can maintain that level against Minnesota, who plays real defense.

787
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: They're really good defensively. So that's the other thing is

788
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: I think you get so used to you just watch

789
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: five games in a row where MPJ is really good

790
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: against the Lakers, and he might think, oh, he's on

791
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: a heater right here, and he might maintain that. But

792
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 4: when it's a different team, a different style, a different fight,

793
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: it can look a lot different. And the numbers you

794
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 4: laid out with Jokic and Jamal, especially Jokic's assist numbers,

795
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: he is an artiste passing basketball and it hasn't been

796
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: there at least during the regular season against Minnesota. Be

797
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: interesting to see that in this series, if that maintains

798
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: itself or not.

799
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: I love this matchup too. Both teams have that dynamic

800
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: duo Jokic Jim Murray Minnesota with Towns and Edwards. And

801
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: the role players are different, right because you mentioned it there, Brian, Like,

802
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: the defensive role players for Minnesota impressed me more than

803
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: their offensive role players and vice versa for the Denver Nuggets,

804
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 3: Like they're more offensive in terms of the role players

805
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: the bench guys as opposed to the Timberwolves. So this

806
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: this is fun and like styles make fights, it's a

807
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: fun matchup. We don't know what we're getting in this one,

808
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: and I think it's gonna be exciting. You got you

809
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: got big on big here.

810
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that the Nuggets, so

811
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: of the four units in the series, the Tea Wolves

812
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: have the worst of the four with their offense, and

813
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: I think that's the weakness that we'll see if Denver

814
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 2: can exploit, if Minnesota can keep up, like maybe Denver

815
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: wants to run and maybe Minnesota won't be able to

816
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: run with them, this could be a higher scoring game

817
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: than we expect. You never know. Yeah, it should be

818
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. All right.

819
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: Coming up next, what are the top three playoff disappointments

820
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 4: thus far? We will bust out the power rankings next. Ah, yes,

821
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: welcome in here, Happy Saturday to you. We are in

822
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: NBA playoff mode. Of course, lots of football to get to.

823
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: We'll get to Dion Sanders entering in the chat, Tugget

824
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 4: Smeth literally Formerk Colorado players that'll be in this hour.

825
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 4: But let's start with this, the top three playoff disappointments

826
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: thus far. You look at the NBA postseason, you got

827
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 4: some candidates right here. Wants you to rank the top

828
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: three disappointments. Okay, almost like NFL power rankings here, So

829
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: the teams to pick from. Clippers that crashed and burned,

830
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: the Bucks, a lot of injury issues, high expectations, didn't

831
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 4: get past the first round. Sons, oh baby Sons got

832
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: swept in the first round, and the Lakers the Lakers

833
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: first round exit, getting punked by the Nuggets for a

834
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: second straight season. Those are a couple of the candidates

835
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: right there, if you are to rank them one through three.

836
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 4: Rich we'll start with you man, who gets top billing

837
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 4: on the playoff disappointment bullet point list right there? The

838
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: power rankings as of right now.

839
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: Well on into it has to be Lakers Clippers. You know,

840
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: these these teams, they're given everything. You have ownership, who

841
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 3: will spend. You have stars all over the court. You're

842
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: in market to from a media market standpoint, so you know,

843
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: even if you can't fill up their pockets, I'm talking

844
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: about the players pockets with contract money. You can promise

845
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: them endorsement opportunities, and it's everywhere you look. You turn

846
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: over one stone, you know you're you're going to find

847
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: money underneath it everywhere. So they have all the access,

848
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: they have all the all of the ability to lure stars,

849
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 3: and so if you have early round bounces or first

850
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: round bounces from LA teams, there's no excuse the Lakers

851
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: number one, Clippers right behind them, and then the rest

852
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: file in behind those two. Because it's it's really I'm

853
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: not saying they should win championships every single year, but

854
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 3: they have every opportunity to do so based on the

855
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: way their owners will spend on the roster and and frankly,

856
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 3: based on the talent these rosters have.

857
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 8: There.

858
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 3: There really shouldn't be excuses, but there are every year.

859
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: It feels like, yeah, I'll go in reverse order. I'll

860
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: go three, two one, so we get the drum roll

861
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: number one.

862
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do a drum roll. So three, I think

863
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: is the city of La like all of the LA

864
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: teams all right, I think you just lump them both

865
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: together because frankly, there but it's both kind it's kind

866
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: of the same story, right, just in a bit of

867
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: a different genre. And I think there's obviously gonna be

868
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: a lot of changes. We are it's starting to see

869
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: some of the changes, and and you'll you'll filter down

870
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: from there. I think two, So I would say it's

871
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: kind of one A, one B. But I think the

872
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: Bucks because of the injuries, slightly less disappointing, but still

873
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, very disappointing for them

874
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: to lose the way that they did and then to

875
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: have the kind of firepower that they do and just

876
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: to you know, against the team that you know in

877
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: your division that you should be able to handle, but

878
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: they they couldn't. And of course I think the injuries

879
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: being the big reason why. And so we give them

880
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: a slight pass. It's got to be the Suns to

881
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: the top of the list. I mean, they were favored

882
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 2: to win the series. Guys, they were favored to win

883
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: the series, and they could even win a game like

884
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: it's one thing for you to be favored to win

885
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: a series, and it's like back and forth, Game seven,

886
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: tight one, and the ball didn't bounce your way. No,

887
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: there was no bouncing of the ball, like it was

888
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: just flat, like the ball had no air in it.

889
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: So I think with Phoenix, with Kadi and Booker and

890
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: with Beal and Frank Bogel on the sidelines, who is

891
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: a coach that you would think be able to get

892
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: the most out of them to be favored in a series. Now,

893
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: give credit to Minnesota. They won that series. I don't

894
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: think Phoenix lost it. Minnesota played really well, but still expectations,

895
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: the betting market, it all said Phoenix should have won

896
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: and they didn't even show up.

897
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you this, the Lakers didn't make my

898
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 4: top three.

899
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: Wow makes sense.

900
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: I can see that.

901
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't make it because you look at the

902
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 4: Lakers and yeah, they got bounced in five. But you

903
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 4: watch those games and what did it take for the

904
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: Nuggets to get past them?

905
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: Very true? Close?

906
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: Right?

907
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: It took this epic comeback in Game two, Nuggets are

908
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 4: down by about twenty right around there, they have this

909
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 4: furious comeback. Jamal Murray hits the buzzer beater, Like that's

910
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: what it took for the Nuggets to win Game two.

911
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: And then you fast forward to Game five, similar situation.

912
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray hit a shot in the final seconds for

913
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: them to have a two point win. So it's like, yeah,

914
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: the Lakers lost in five, but that was not an

915
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: easy just you know, like Mike Malone said, we had

916
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 4: to scrap the whole series to win that one. So

917
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put the Lakers in my top three. I'll

918
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 4: go like Jared did, reverse order number three, I would

919
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 4: go with the Bucks and yeah, I know they were

920
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 4: banged up, No Jannis the whole series. Dame missed a

921
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 4: couple of games with the Achilles injury, but it's losing

922
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 4: to the Pacers, and it's also the way they went

923
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: about their business. Bobby portis getting thrown out of a game.

924
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: It's like, bro, how do you get thrown out of

925
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 4: a game? You don't have Giannis or Dame? What are

926
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: you doing? And then Pat Bev firing the basketball at

927
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: fans and it's what is happening right now? It was

928
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 4: just embarrassing what happened with the Bucks. Beyond the injuries.

929
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: I put them at three. Number two, I go Clippers.

930
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 4: I know Kawhi was banged up, but you look at

931
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 4: games one in four without Kawhi, they the Clippers did fine.

932
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: Ye what happened the last two games? They got punked.

933
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 4: They got crushed in games five and six. And then

934
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 4: number one. I put the Suns at the top of

935
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 4: the list. I'm with Jared on this. That was a

936
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 4: team that was favored to win the series. That was

937
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 4: a team a lot of people believed would at least

938
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 4: beat Minnesota. And you rewind to when they got Bradley

939
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: Beal and the expectations how high they were. Many people

940
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 4: bought in to them winning a championship and they didn't

941
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 4: win one game. They got bounced in a sweep in

942
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 4: round one. So I have to put the Suns at

943
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: the top of my disappointment list here.

944
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, we all had kind of different routes

945
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 3: to get there. I don't know, I guess maybe maybe

946
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm putting too much importance on geography and external factors

947
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: and I'm like taking the context of the series we

948
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: watched into enough or consideration. But I just I have

949
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: such a hard time looking at a team that's led

950
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: by arguably the greatest player on the planet. Right think

951
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: about Michael Jordan with the Bulls. If they got knocked

952
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: out in the first round, oh gosh, I mean, they

953
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: would be number one with a bullet. So why are

954
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: we giving Lebron James so much, like so much because

955
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: he's not mj Well, okay, but but your opinion about

956
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: Lebron is different from my opinion about Lebron. Like I

957
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: think he's the greatest player of all time. I just

958
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: but when I but when I see how much grace

959
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: he's given all the time. I'm like, not only is

960
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: the sport not as tough as he used to be

961
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: in the nineties, but the way it's covered isn't as

962
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: tough as he used to be in the nineties. Like like,

963
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: like Lebron James gets a first round bounce and we're like, yeah,

964
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: Darvin Ham's the problem. Give me a break.

965
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: I want to go back to the Lebron go conversation

966
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: because we haven't done that enough time.

967
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.

968
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a level of scrutiny that obviously

969
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: certain media markets get. Phoenix is not one of those

970
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: medium No, like it just it just isn't and that

971
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: will always skew the timeline of events. But frankly, Milwaukee's

972
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: not either. But because of who is playing there, dame honest,

973
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: it's gonna get more attention than maybe it should on

974
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: the Nash scale. So I don't know if the media

975
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: market conversation is as pertinent here because the best players

976
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: in the sport play in Milwaukee and Phoenix right now,

977
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: and like you know, they're amongst the best players in

978
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: the sport. So it'll be interesting to see how the

979
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: Suns react from this. I think that experiment as we've discussed.

980
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Booker scored what fifty in the closeout game

981
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: where they lost, Yeah, and they couldn't even come close

982
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: to winning that game. Like if Devin Booker's dropping fifty

983
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: and you still can't win one game in the series

984
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: against the t Wolves. And don't get me wrong, Minnesota's

985
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: a great team, but that series should not have been

986
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: as one sided as it was. There's a problem with

987
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: the way the team's constructed. Like at least the Bucks

988
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: without their best players, battled and it was tough. That

989
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: was a tough series. Indiana's feeling that series. I don't

990
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: think the Tea Wolves are feeling much from what happened

991
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: with Phoenix. So that's why Phoenix, to me is at

992
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: the top of the list because of just how talented

993
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: that team is and how little they put out of

994
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: that talent on the floor in the most important games

995
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: of the year.

996
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 4: Right, And I also think about the opponent. When you

997
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 4: look at the Lakers, they lost to the defending champions,

998
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 4: you know what I.

999
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: Mean, games than they won last year.

1000
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 4: Again, But I think what you're saying, Jared, if you

1001
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 4: took all these other teams and you put them in

1002
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: a Lakers uniform. What the reaction would be like? Can

1003
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 4: you imagine if the Suns the Suns, God, they get

1004
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: all these players and they're expected to compete and maybe

1005
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: win a championship and they lose in four, they get

1006
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 4: swept in the first round, or even the Bucks. Imagine

1007
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 4: with Gianni's being heard, dame out, but the Bobby Portis thing,

1008
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 4: the Pat Bev thing. If that's a Lakers story, we're

1009
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 4: not shutting up about.

1010
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: What are the headlines?

1011
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 4: If Lebron drops fifty and the Lakers lose, well, that'd

1012
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: be a huge talking point as well.

1013
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: It'd be even more so freaking Darvin Ham, you know exactly.

1014
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 4: How about this? If you flip it, let's be positive, guys. Okay,

1015
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 4: the top three playoff successes thus far. Okay, so there's

1016
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: some candidates here. Nicks they get to the second round.

1017
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 4: T Wolves they swept the Suns. Right, it's not just

1018
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 4: about what the Suns didn't do, It's about what the

1019
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 4: t Wolves did do. How about the Thunder they sweep

1020
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: the Pels, no Zion, So you read the fine print there,

1021
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 4: but nice sweep a lot of great defense in that series,

1022
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: and the MAVs. The MAVs win their first round series

1023
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 4: with Luca banged up, Luca's limping around out there, and

1024
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 4: they're still beating the Clippers in decisive fashion. So if

1025
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: you look at the top three, we'll start with you again, Rich,

1026
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 4: what's your top three playoff successes?

1027
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 2: What does that look like?

1028
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what I like the way you

1029
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 3: guys did it, So I'll go from three to my top. Okay,

1030
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: So in terms of successes, the Knicks they make my

1031
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: list because I grew up on Long Island a Knicks fan, well,

1032
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: a Bulls fan, in a Knicks household, which was brut

1033
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: oh dude, brutal for my dad Eastern Conference. I mean

1034
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: this was like the John Stark say Patrick Ewing Pat

1035
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And I was an MJ fan my dad.

1036
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 3: It made him sick. Santa Claus brought me Bulls bed

1037
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: sheets for Christmas one year and a Michael Jordan poster.

1038
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: He stopped reading bedtime stories to me. It was bad. Guys. Anyways, No,

1039
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: I uh, I like the Knicks. Jalen brunts in. I

1040
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: like I like the vibe. There's a toughness back in

1041
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 3: New York that I really dig I think the NBA

1042
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: is better when the Knicks are better. I honestly do,

1043
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 3: and I think they need to continue on this team

1044
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: they've built up. My second place in terms of success

1045
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 3: is has to be the MAVs because the MAVs are

1046
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: doing what a lot of teams can't do. Typically, you

1047
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: bring in a guy like Kyrie and you get him

1048
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 3: to play like a star in your system. Lucas showing

1049
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: a lot of heart like you mentioned, And I love Dallas,

1050
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: I really do. And Jason Kidd he doesn't get enough

1051
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: credit because I think he's a great organizer of personalities

1052
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: and he's kept things going. He's kept the magic rolling

1053
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: in Dallas. And then my number one team, it's got

1054
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 3: to be the Tee Wolves. And again this is less

1055
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: to do with sweeping the Suns, although that matters, and

1056
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: it has a lot more to do with the fact

1057
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 3: that they've done it the right way. They've built through

1058
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 3: the draft. They've supplemented around draft picks with good role

1059
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 3: players and other stars that have came in and come

1060
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: in line with the Minnesota way. I like how this

1061
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: team is built. It's the model that the Golden State

1062
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 3: Warriors took to build up a championship. I think it's

1063
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: taken longer, so unfortunately the window is going to be shorter.

1064
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 3: But this is a good model. This is what NBA

1065
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: teams should try to do. Build through the draft, supplement

1066
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: around those stars you find in the draft, and have

1067
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: a consistent culture where defense matters. That's the timm Yeah,

1068
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: Nix is the three for me because I don't want

1069
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: to over bake my Homer bias against them.

1070
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 2: But let's be honest, this is a different team. They

1071
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: have a I like how Rich put it, a toughness

1072
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 2: to them. It felt like I was what I felt

1073
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: like the other night when they are two nights ago,

1074
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: and when they beat the Sixers in Game six, I

1075
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: felt like a kid again watching them. Yeah, it was

1076
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: very much inner child. Jared was having a good night.

1077
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 2: I think two. I would say it's kind of a

1078
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: tie right now. I'll give you the how about this.

1079
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: I'll say the youthful exuberance of the Western Conference is

1080
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: exciting right now with Minnesota and Oklahoma City, who I

1081
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: think Oklahoma City is a year ahead of schedule. Minnesota's

1082
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: kind of on schedule, like last year, didn't quite get

1083
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: over the hump. Now they've got another chance and they

1084
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: look good. And Oklahoma City, I mean, goodness, gracious, Sga

1085
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: is a rock star. They've got this home groom kid

1086
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: who could be, you know, the next coming of the

1087
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: great defensive star in the NBA. Wemby's another one that

1088
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: I'll throw in that in that bucket, and man oh man,

1089
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: they've got some role players that can really play Giddy

1090
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: and Jaylen Williams. I mean, these guys do it all.

1091
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: They can rebound, they can assist. So they're probably not

1092
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: gonna make the finals. But I think both Oklahoma City

1093
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: and Minnesota young exciting teams, and that's what the NBA needs.

1094
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: And I think Dallas has to be won Kyrie Irving.

1095
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: If Kyrie Irving plays at the level he played at

1096
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: in that Clippers series, the Mavericks can win the title, period,

1097
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: end of story. Because you've got the star. Luca is

1098
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: the star, but you've got another guy and go for

1099
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: the kids listening. There's probably not a lot of you know,

1100
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: twenty somethings listening right now at this time, but if

1101
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 2: you are, go look up the twenty sixteen finals highlights

1102
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: and you tell me who is the best player in

1103
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: that series, because I'll be honest, man, Kyrie Irving in

1104
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: a big moment, Like, if he's playing at that level,

1105
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a lot of guys in the

1106
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: NBA that can check him. So if it's if it's

1107
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 2: Kyrie and Luca and they've got a couple of role players,

1108
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm worried about the size. They're probably gonna get punked

1109
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: on the glass in most of these series. But if

1110
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: those two guys are playing at a high level, the

1111
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: highest of levels, I think Dallas is very live in

1112
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: the West man.

1113
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what what he did to PJ Tucker

1114
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 4: on the Cold Eiter. And It's one of those things

1115
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 4: where every now and then I'll watch a game or

1116
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 4: watch a highlight and I'm like, I wonder what it

1117
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 4: feels like to be in those shoes, you know what

1118
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 4: I mean? If you're in the batter's box, ever, and

1119
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 4: someone just throws you this filthy slider and You're like,

1120
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 4: I wonder what that looks like from the batter's box.

1121
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: I wonder what it's like to attempt to guard Kyrie

1122
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 4: Irving as he is just dancing on you. And the

1123
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 4: handles have been just extraordinary his whole career and PJ.

1124
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 2: Tucker.

1125
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 4: He did his best man and man Kyrie hit the

1126
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 4: three and one, hit the four point play. That was crazy. Okay,

1127
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 4: so I'll go real fast. My top three playoff success

1128
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 4: is stiff competition for number one here, Okay, number three,

1129
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,479
Speaker 4: I go with Dallas. The reason I did a little

1130
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 4: bit of points. No Kawhi for nearly the entire series, right,

1131
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 4: he was in there for two games, so I have

1132
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 4: to take that into into account. I put the Knicks

1133
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 4: number two. They won an absolutely epic series against Philly.

1134
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson was out standing the last what three four

1135
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 4: games of that series. I dedocked a few points because

1136
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: they absolutely.

1137
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 3: Gave Game five away.

1138
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 4: How they lost that game is beyond me, but give

1139
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 4: them credit. They rebounded one game six, won the series.

1140
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: Number one.

1141
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: I put the t Wolves there because they swept the Suns.

1142
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: You would think if I said, ah, you know, Minnesota,

1143
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 4: they sweep the series, my question would be like, was

1144
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 4: Devin Booker out for most of them? Right? The Dives

1145
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 4: were healthy the whole time, and the t Wolves still

1146
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 4: swept them. And the other part of this is we

1147
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: really wondered if trading for Rudy Gobert was smart at all,

1148
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 4: and we're like, in this current era of NBA basketball,

1149
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 4: you go twin towers and you're gonna try to win

1150
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 4: with defense, and it's just you're going against the grain.

1151
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 4: For sure, it certainly worked against Phoenix. So from that standpoint,

1152
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 4: I go Minnesota number one sweeping the Suns.

1153
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: That was correct? I like it.

1154
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 3: Can they beat the Nuggets in the series?

1155
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 4: They can? But yeah, that's a different weight class.

1156
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're punching up.

1157
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: Get the heavyweight chance, the undisputed heavyweight champ. Yep, that's right.

1158
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 4: All right, we got Rich Orenberger, Ben State All American,

1159
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 4: Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No coming up next.

1160
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: Jared talked about punching up. This is the epitome of

1161
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 4: punching down. Details on the way. It's Fox Sports Saturday,

1162
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday,

1163
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 4: right here on Fox Sports Radio. So Deon Sanders in

1164
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 4: the news this week, head coach at Colorado. So there

1165
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 4: was an article that came out in the APL. There's

1166
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: a former Colorado player named Xavier Smith, and in this article,

1167
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 4: he accused Deon Sanders of neglecting to get to know

1168
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 4: his players and destroying their confidence. Xavier is specifically talking

1169
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 4: about the players that Dion inherited when he took over

1170
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 4: at Colorado. So Xavier saying he treated us like, you know,

1171
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 4: you guys are I guess I have to deal with

1172
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 4: you guys. That's what Xavier was saying. So when that

1173
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: article came out, there were players that rushed to Dion's defense.

1174
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 4: Shador Sanders, the quarterback Dion Sun. He tweeted, I don't

1175
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 4: even remember him. To be honest, bro had to be

1176
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 4: very mid at best, which was a pretty entertaining tweet.

1177
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 4: Dion entered in the chat as well, so he was

1178
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: responding to a post from a Colorado content provider, if

1179
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: you will, he tweeted the stats of Xavier Smith. Xavier

1180
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 4: Smith transferred from Colorado to Austin p and Xavier had

1181
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 4: eight tackles and four passes defense last year.

1182
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 3: That was it.

1183
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 4: Eight tackles and four pass breakups. Dion quote tweeted that

1184
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 4: with lawd Jesus, basically saying, like goodness, that's all he did.

1185
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 4: You're kidding me over here. The way I look at this, guys,

1186
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 4: Dion is still a competitor, but this is where your

1187
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 4: competitiveness can lead you to a bad spot. He's a

1188
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 4: head coach. This is the epitome of punching down. Deon

1189
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 4: Sanders is a Pro Football Hall of Famer and he's

1190
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 4: getting into a war of words with former players. And

1191
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 4: he's not a Twitter troll, you know what I mean.

1192
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 4: Like he got sucked into it because he's a competitor.

1193
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 4: And I just don't think it serves him well or

1194
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: Colorado well to be punching down with former players, Like,

1195
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 4: just take the high road, man, there's no value in that.

1196
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: I are I don't know if Rich is with us still. Yeah,

1197
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's with us either.

1198
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh sorry, I was goofing around in here. Rich.

1199
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Back, you want to comment on Dion because I've

1200
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: got thoughts.

1201
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's my thoughts on Dion Sanders. Deon Sanders, he

1202
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 3: is he is either going to crash or burn or

1203
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: crash and burn, or he's going to change the way

1204
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: we think about head coaching altogether, because he's he's pulling

1205
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: out the wires and he's he's rewiring how we think

1206
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 3: about head coaches and the things that they are involved

1207
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: in and the things that they say. And I think

1208
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 3: to varying levels of success. The early days of Colorado

1209
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: seemed really promising, right the recruiting class, his sons obviously

1210
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 3: are super talented guys, and and the early goings of

1211
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: the season that win against TCU was phenomenal. But then

1212
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: when you look at what's happened since in the past,

1213
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 3: the record was abysmal. You know, some of the media

1214
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: that has been surrounding the program has been abysmal. You know,

1215
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: the mass exodus as soon as the transfer window opened,

1216
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 3: some of this stuff, you know, where he's feuding with

1217
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 3: former players online. It's not a good look, especially especially

1218
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: if you're recruiting talent. You know what happens if I

1219
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: leave the program and it doesn't work. Am I going

1220
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: to be lambasted by my former head coach? And then

1221
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 3: what does that do to my career? Is anybody listening

1222
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: to this guy like, like, could this hurt me? Because

1223
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: I have an enemy now like Dion Sanders. It's it's

1224
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: an interesting situation. It may work out. I'm not even

1225
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 3: commenting on whether or not it's going to work out

1226
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: long term or not, because we don't know. But it

1227
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 3: is a completely different way to do it. And he's

1228
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 3: had some success at the college level Jackson State before

1229
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: heading to Colorado, And like I said, how it started

1230
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 3: a non conference for the Buffs. But he he's making

1231
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 3: some serious waves and I'm very curious how we will

1232
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 3: look back on his time at Colorado when it's over,

1233
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 3: because so far it's mixed results.

1234
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I have two different avenues for this story.

1235
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: First of all, Burn, I do agree Dion was punching down,

1236
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,959
Speaker 2: but that's kind of like what he does, Like that's

1237
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: sort of been the vibe of this Colorado regime for him,

1238
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: Like he is going to be outlandishly outspoken and tell

1239
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: you exactly what's on his mind. And I kind of

1240
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: like that in a sense. But you're right, it needs

1241
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: to be a controlled burn. This was not a controlled burn,

1242
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: Like this was a raging fire. The part of the

1243
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 2: story that bothers me on the other side is heavier Smith,

1244
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: like the quotes of yeah, he could have handled it

1245
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: with a little more compassion. This is football, right, Like

1246
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 2: I understand that it's a weird situation. It happens a

1247
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: lot new coach players stick around. How does the current

1248
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: coach or the new coach handle the old players and

1249
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: does he make them part of the team or does

1250
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: he kind of push them out? It was obvious from

1251
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: the start that Dion was not gonna be warm and

1252
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: fuzzies with the prior regime of Colorado, Like what did

1253
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: Xavier Smith expect to happen here? Like did he expect

1254
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: to get like the red carpet rolled out for him? Like, oh, no,

1255
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: you're part of this team, we want you here. Like

1256
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: I think the reality of the situation is he probably

1257
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: expected too much and Dion gave way less than anyone

1258
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: even expected. So it was like the extremes of both sides.

1259
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, when I see

1260
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: a quote from a kid talking about compassion in the

1261
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: game of football, like, I'm just it kind of rubs me.

1262
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: It kind of gives me the ick.

1263
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 4: As the kids say, no, I hear you on that, right,

1264
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 4: because this is football at the end of the day,

1265
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 4: So I hear you on that. I just think this

1266
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 4: with Dion, there are way he doesn't have to do

1267
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 4: things the exact same way others have done them. That's

1268
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 4: the first thing I would say. He can be his

1269
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 4: own guy. And some people will look at that sideways,

1270
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 4: and some people will really love that about him. It's

1271
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 4: not to me about doing something unconventional, and I'm like,

1272
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 4: whoaoa unconventional?

1273
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: What's up with this?

1274
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 4: I just look at it and say, this particular thing,

1275
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 4: there's no value in it. There's no value in talking

1276
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 4: smack about former players who haven't put up great stats

1277
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 4: at Austin p There's just no value in that. I'd

1278
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 4: say the same thing if that's Dabo Sweeney, or if

1279
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 4: it's Kirby Smart, or if it's Marcus Freeman, head coach

1280
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 4: of my favorite team in Fighting Irish.

1281
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 2: Right there, Marcus would never do that much.

1282
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 4: But they're punching down with former players that transferred away

1283
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 4: that have something to say in a in an article

1284
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 4: on the athletic It's like, bro, you can't have rabbit.

1285
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 2: Ears like that.

1286
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 4: And when you get into a war of words, you

1287
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 4: just look like the smaller guy, like you're Dion Sanders

1288
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 4: and you're that bent about a former player accusing you

1289
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 4: of neglecting to get to know your players. It's like

1290
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 4: all the press clippings aren't going to be positive, and

1291
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 4: a lot of it is like how do you respond

1292
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 4: to that? If you just keep it pushing and you're

1293
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 4: all about business that says something about you agreed. If

1294
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 4: you get into this back and forth and it's like

1295
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 4: someone's criticizing Shaduur Sanders, he'll be a top five pick.

1296
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 4: Where's your son going?

1297
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: Lol? Lol?

1298
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 4: I got time today. It's like you sound like a

1299
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 4: thirteen year old right now. So it's not about being unconventional.

1300
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 4: I love Dion. A lot of what he does is

1301
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 4: unconventional and I love him for that. But not everything works.

1302
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 4: And this is one thing that doesn't work well.

1303
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: It doesn't work for most people, it may work for Dion.

1304
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 3: So if he ends up in the Big twelve having

1305
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 3: a ton of success with the Buffalos, and who knows,

1306
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: maybe with the expanded playoffs, maybe he finds his way

1307
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 3: into a playoff situation this upcoming season. This is all forgotten.

1308
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 3: But say they struggle, you know, say in conference to

1309
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: have a three win record, you know, say the Buffalos.

1310
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 3: The recruiting strategy isn't isn't really working, you know what

1311
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: I mean? Maybe you guys are transferring out because they realize, like, yeah,

1312
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 3: this this treatment we're receiving here. It's not like what

1313
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: I'm hearing from my buddies. Because you want to talk

1314
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 3: about listening all of these players are listening to each other.

1315
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: Now everybody's got a buddy at a different school that

1316
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 3: they met on recruiting trips, and they're trying to lure

1317
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: players off of other rosters to come to come play together.

1318
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 3: You know, the banana boat lebron days. That's over. You

1319
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 3: don't got to meet on vacation in Spain anymore. We

1320
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 3: have Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat. I mean, I don't think any

1321
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 3: of the kids who are being recruited right now use Facebook,

1322
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 3: but you get it. Social media has connected the world.

1323
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 3: My Space yeah, which by the way, is making a comeback. Guys. Look,

1324
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 3: here's the deal. But if it works, it's forgotten. If

1325
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: it doesn't, then people are going to start writing the

1326
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 3: articles like, hey, you know, maybe instead of clapping back

1327
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 3: at Austin p receivers, maybe Dion should be working harder.

1328
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 3: Like that is going to be the head lines written.

1329
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 3: That's how this works, that's how this game. And if

1330
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: it's not written, it's going to be posted in blogs

1331
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 3: by the Buffalo's fan base. It's going to be spoken

1332
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 3: about by alumni who are donating to the program to

1333
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 3: pay these nil deals that he's telling them to pay.

1334
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 3: Like it's going to start annoying people if the results

1335
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 3: don't follow, so he's got a short on ramp here.

1336
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 3: The Deon Sanders experiment could be close to an end

1337
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 3: if he doesn't start having success, like real success, because

1338
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 3: people will tire of these antics and then they'll find

1339
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 3: somebody else who does it the way they want to

1340
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 3: do It will be fine if everything's fine, winning cures everything.

1341
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you right now, this is the sort

1342
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 3: of stuff that everybody remembers when you start struggling.

1343
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, rich Nail, did you put this in your back

1344
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: pocket for August? And then you just see how things

1345
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: develop and if and when things go off the rails,

1346
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: then it becomes a story again. You know what this

1347
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 2: reminds me of? Is this not LaVar Ball two point zero?

1348
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: Like it kind of feels like that where you've got

1349
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: the boisterous, outgoing head of state, you know, father of

1350
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: the household, and you've got all the kids that are,

1351
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, trying to be NBA stars and he's trying

1352
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: to run the whole. It obviously different apples to oranges,

1353
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: but the vibe of it with LaVar Ball at the

1354
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 2: top of the you know, the head of the table

1355
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 2: and Shador Sanders and all the Colorado kids on his side,

1356
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 2: and then you get these ex Colorado kids that are

1357
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 2: getting I mean, it's just like you're right, it's like

1358
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: a mess. But let's get down to brass tacks because

1359
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: I just pulled up Colorado's schedule for the fall, and

1360
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: we haven't talked a whole lot of ball here speaking

1361
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: of labar ball, but how about ball. You look at

1362
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 2: Colorado schedule, Guys, they play their first seven games at home.

1363
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: Here are the opponents Georgia Tech, Delaware, Wyoming, Arizona, Arizona State,

1364
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: BYU Iowa State, all in Boulder. I mean, am I crazy.

1365
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 3: For saying this is six and one?

1366
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: Seven? And Ozho start like, I'm not saying it's gonna happen,

1367
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: But there is a path for Colorado because of a

1368
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 2: very weak Big Twelve schedule and a very weak non

1369
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 2: conference schedule. Georgia Tech, Delaware, Wyoming.

1370
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: All at home.

1371
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: Like, there's a lot of upside with Colorado. We could

1372
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: be feeling the same vibes as we felt last fall,

1373
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 2: which is Colorado rocket ship September October, basement by Thanksgiving.

1374
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 4: Well, someone who's never in the basement in a bad way,

1375
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 4: that would be Isaac Flowankron. He's only in the basement

1376
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 4: literally if he's in the man case, he's never in

1377
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 4: the basement figuratively, because he's at the top of the

1378
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 4: power rankings.

1379
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 3: That's right.

1380
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 2: He's got the latest team.

1381
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 9: Ah yes, and the top of the power rankings. Rich

1382
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 9: Ornberger's San Diego Padres. Because Rich, it has just become official.

1383
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 9: The San Diego Padres have officially acquired two time batting

1384
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 9: champion and two time All Star Luis Arrives from the

1385
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 9: Miami Marlins that announced by the Padres just moments ago.

1386
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 9: In Game six of the NBA Playoffs on Friday night,

1387
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 9: the Orlando Magic knocked off the Cleveland Cavaliers one to

1388
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,759
Speaker 9: three to ninety six to force a Game seven, despite

1389
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 9: Donovan Mitchell scoring fifty points. Game seven at Cleveland on Sunday.

1390
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 9: Also on Friday night, the Dallas Mavericks eliminated the Los

1391
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 9: Angeles Clippers one fourteen to one oh one. Kyrie Irvings

1392
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 9: scored twenty eight of his thirty in the second half.

1393
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 9: Luka Dancic twenty eight points and thirteen assists. Dallas will

1394
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 9: visit West one seed Oklahoma City in Game one on Tuesday.

1395
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 9: In Game six of the Stanley Cup Playoffs Friday night,

1396
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 9: the Vegas Golden Knights to feither the Dallas Stars to nothing,

1397
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,480
Speaker 9: forcing a Game seven in their opening round series in Nashville.

1398
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 9: Game six between the Predators and Vancouver Canucks. Vancouver going

1399
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 9: in leading the series three games to two, and they

1400
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 9: were scoreless until the dying minutes of the third period.

1401
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 9: Here is the Bachelor, Brendan Bachelor on Station CISL behind the.

1402
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: Net, Professor Different Sooner, Pee Stars Peer Sooner beat Sucy

1403
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: Sorrows stick side with one thirty nine left in the

1404
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: third period.

1405
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 3: They lead one to nothing, and they're ninety nine seconds

1406
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 3: away from a second round matchup with the Edmonton Oiler.

1407
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 9: And they're going to face Edmonton in a Round two

1408
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 9: as Vancouver wins the series four games to two.

1409
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 3: Fellas, all yours.

1410
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 4: Thank you, I Loo. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right

1411
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 4: here on Fox Sports Radio.

1412
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,839
Speaker 2: You know I don't want to beat the bearer.

1413
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 3: Of bad news away? Well what what? What? Now?

1414
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 4: What? Now?

1415
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: I was looking in the wrong schedule.

1416
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh it was twenty five that I thought what

1417
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 4: I was referring to of Colorado?

1418
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha, No, I'm here, so yeah, I blew it.

1419
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 9: Up.

1420
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna start seven and zero.

1421
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 3: Could you this is the show of records.

1422
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: We're at Nebraskan Week two. They're losing that game, Okay,

1423
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 2: an advanced line on the twenty five schedule. Guys, Colorado's

1424
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 2: gonna be a juggernaut in twenty five.

1425
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: I promise you.

1426
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 4: No.

1427
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm worried here.

1428
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm worried, okay, because uh, I'm reading the tea

1429
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 4: leaves and I don't know that the NBA is going

1430
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 4: to be back on TNT. It's not, which means inside

1431
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,520
Speaker 4: the NBA, which is one of the greatest sports television

1432
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 4: shows of all time. This is probably it because, like

1433
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 4: Jared said, the NBC is gonna They're gonna be.

1434
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 3: A ton of percent gonna get it.

1435
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it looks like it's gonna be ESPN NBC.

1436
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 4: Those are the two main networks. They're probably gonna be

1437
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 4: some streaming stuff, right, but I don't think it's going

1438
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 4: back to TNT, and Ernie Johnson said he's gonna stay

1439
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 4: at tn T regardless of the NBA rights outcome.

1440
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 2: You have Charles Barkley.

1441
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 4: He has an out in his contract where if TNT

1442
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 4: loses the NBA, he can go elsewhere, and he could

1443
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 4: be in theory, he could be at ESPN, or he

1444
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 4: could be at NBC whoever has the NBA.

1445
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 2: But you start reading this and it's like, I.

1446
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 4: Don't think we're gonna have inside the NBA as we

1447
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 4: know it anymore after this season.

1448
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 3: That really that's a gut punch because I wasn't aware

1449
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 3: of Ernie's comments, and I was hoping hopeful I should

1450
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 3: say that they would just change the TNT to NBC

1451
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 3: on that set, right, yeah, and let the good times

1452
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 3: roll with Kenny and Chack and Yeah and Charles and

1453
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 3: Ernie because one of the most I should say, the

1454
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: best part of the regular season in the NBA is

1455
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 3: that show. That's the facts. I mean, more of their

1456
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 3: clips go viral during the regular season than actual NBA action.

1457
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 3: It's the truth. They have somehow created the side car

1458
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: has become the engine. It really is incredible. And so yeah,

1459
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 3: that's that's sad. If this, if this deal breaks up

1460
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 3: the band, that's really sad. But we do get the

1461
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 3: Round Bowl rock back.

1462
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 4: We would prize, right, Yeah, it's a nice consolation prize.

1463
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 4: But inside the NBA, man, I agree, the gold standard.

1464
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 4: You watch their show and then you watch like another

1465
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 4: show and you're like, oh my god, I'm sure they'll

1466
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 4: do a podcast.

1467
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's not the same, it's.

1468
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,879
Speaker 3: Not, but it's the same. Things change.

1469
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:37,799
Speaker 2: We have to embrace change.

1470
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 4: No racing to the board, no chalk outline of Kenny

1471
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 4: Smith who slipped on the steps the other.

1472
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: No shack hot wing challenges, no falling backward into Christmas trees.

1473
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, we'll live it up if it's going away,

1474
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 4: live it up right now.

1475
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 3: That's all I thought.

1476
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: When the round ball rock went away too though, that's

1477
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 2: like when and when Marv Albert away from calling games

1478
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: every week big time. So it was like, you know,

1479
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: now we get that back. It's you know, lesser of

1480
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 2: I guess that's ser of two evils.

1481
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 4: Who knows that's Jared Smith FSR betting analyst Rich Ornberger

1482
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 4: with US Penn State All American. I'm Brian No coming

1483
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 4: up next, prop it up. We got a bunch of

1484
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 4: prop bet opportunities this weekend we'll discuss. It is Fox

1485
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 4: Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is

1486
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 4: Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. We

1487
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 4: have got some prop bet opportunities.

1488
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 3: Let dive on in prop it up player plays.

1489
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 4: Okay, we've got the t Wolves and the Nuggets tonight.

1490
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 4: Got some NBA action tomorrow as well. Jared will start

1491
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 4: with you anything you love?

1492
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again the assists market intrigues me tonight.

1493
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 2: I think Aaron Gordon over makes a ton of sense

1494
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: based off of what we've talked about. Right in three

1495
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 2: games against the t Wolves, Gordon actually leads the Nuggets

1496
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 2: in potential assists more than Yokis, more than Murray, And

1497
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 2: I think Jamal Murray also has been assist happy in

1498
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 2: his matchups against Minnesota six eleven and six. His number

1499
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: tonight's sitting at six and a half, Aaron Gordon's number

1500
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 2: sitting at four and a half. You can maybe find

1501
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: a three and a half out there somewhere, but at

1502
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 2: MGM plus money to the over four and a half,

1503
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray minus money to the over six and a half,

1504
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: I would hammer both to the over again. I think

1505
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: Denver is gonna have some success offensively in this series,

1506
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 2: and Nikola Jokich has been kind of the score averaging

1507
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: thirty six per over these last three matchups, where Jokic

1508
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 2: more of a you know, aggressive on the offensive side tonight,

1509
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: maybe Murray and Gordon more of the distributors. That's the

1510
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 2: angle that I'm playing. So I'll give you Gordon over

1511
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 2: four and a halphssis. I'll give you Murray over six

1512
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: and a half assist. I think on the Denver side,

1513
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 2: that's how I would look at the prop market tonight.

1514
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 3: I like Anthony Edwards over twenty seven and a half points.

1515
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 3: He finished that series against the Suns real strong. In fact,

1516
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 3: his whole series against the Suns was pretty strong. Overall,

1517
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 3: he was over thirty five watch I guess you could

1518
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 3: say over thirty three points in all but two of

1519
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 3: those games where he was neutralized. I think this line

1520
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 3: is set artificially low. I think Denver is a better

1521
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,919
Speaker 3: offensive team than a defensive team, especially in their role players.

1522
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 3: So give me the over on the twenty seven and

1523
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 3: a half points, and give me the over on Rudy Gobert.

1524
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 3: Leave the line set at thirteen and a half points too. Again,

1525
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 3: another guy's been strung through the postseason. I like that

1526
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 3: one as well.

1527
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 4: I am going to walk on the wild side right here,

1528
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 4: fellas what I'm looking at. Michael Porter Junior has been

1529
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 4: fantastic in the playoffs thus far, really really solid against

1530
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,759
Speaker 4: the Lakers. I'm gonna fade him in Game one. Wow,

1531
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 4: I'm looking at points and rebounds here, little combo, well

1532
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 4: two for one, combo platters at twenty five and a half.

1533
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the under right there, because Minnesota plays

1534
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 4: real defense. They rebound the basketball very well. But look

1535
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,520
Speaker 4: at their front line. Goodness, Rudy Gobert's vacuuming up rebounds.

1536
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 2: You know, Cat will get in the mix.

1537
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,799
Speaker 4: We've got other dudes that can get in there, slip

1538
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 4: in for a couple of rebounds here and there. Right

1539
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 4: Like you just look at the rebound prop market. Anthony

1540
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 4: Edwards can sneak in there, and then you know nas Reed,

1541
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 4: Alexander Walker can sneak in. These guys they played good

1542
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 4: collective defense. Yeah, so I think that MPJ is gonna

1543
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 4: have to score quite a bit because I don't think

1544
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 4: the gaudy rebound numbers are gonna be there. So I'm

1545
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 4: gonna fade them in this spot. I think under twenty

1546
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 4: five and a half points and rebounds, it's pretty solid play.

1547
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: I think Town's a guy i'd look at tonight two.

1548
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: Towns has definitely had had some interesting moments. But I'll

1549
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 2: give you a key Wolve player that I think it

1550
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: may be a little undervalue. Jade McDaniel's minutes have skyrocketed

1551
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 2: in the postseason. One of the biggest risers in terms

1552
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 2: of and it's played from regular season the postseason. Biggest reason.

1553
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense, right, he is a defensive specialist,

1554
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 2: zo point three pounds and assist number tonight sitting very

1555
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: low thirteen and a half.

1556
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 3: Again, he's averaging thirty four.

1557
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: Minutes in the playoffs, and he's had thirty minutes in

1558
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: each of the last four. So I think you look

1559
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: for volume, you look for rotations, you look for guys

1560
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: that are playing more minutes now than in the regular season.

1561
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: Because a lot of these numbers are based off of

1562
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: the regular season averages. I think that's how you find

1563
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 2: value in the prop market in the postseason.

1564
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 4: Oh good stuff, man, Absolutely good stuff. Right there, We've

1565
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 4: got more. We got a rapid fire segment at the

1566
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 4: very end, and also right around the corner. The real

1567
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 4: coach killer might not be who you think it is.

1568
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 4: We'll discuss next. Let's talk coach killers over here, shall we.

1569
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 4: You know, because we talked about this to begin the show.

1570
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 4: I want to circle back to Darvin Ham ousted as

1571
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 4: the Lakers head coach, and there's been a little bit

1572
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 4: of talk about coach killers, not a ton, but with

1573
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 4: him getting the pink slip, it just made me think

1574
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 4: about the whole conversation in general. Okay, and this is

1575
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 4: what I'm thinking. We normally look at coach killer like

1576
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 4: it's an inside job. Almost every time, it's either the

1577
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 4: star player I doesn't like the coach, right, so the

1578
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 4: coach had to go that guy's a coach killer, or

1579
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 4: the star player he underperformed didn't show up in the playoffs.

1580
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 4: That's what got the coach fired, that sort of thing.

1581
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,959
Speaker 4: If you want to be honest about this with the Lakers,

1582
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 4: if you're looking for a coach killer, I've got two

1583
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 4: of them, Nicola Jokic and Jamal Murray. That's what cost

1584
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 4: Darvinham his job because look, all this stuff you hear

1585
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 4: about is oh yeah, goofy rotations, and he did well.

1586
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 4: Guess what they got to the Western Conference finals last

1587
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 4: season with those goofy rotations and what happened. They ran

1588
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 4: up against Nicola Jokic and Jamal Murray and they got

1589
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 4: swept and then what happened this season, Well, Joker did

1590
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 4: his thing. Jamal Murray hit a couple of game winners.

1591
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 4: That's what cost Darvin Ham his job way more than

1592
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 4: anything else you're gonna hear about. I don't know why

1593
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 4: we don't look at coach killers like that more often.

1594
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's the opponent. It's not just an inside job.

1595
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 4: And the Nuggets the one game that the Lakers won,

1596
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:28,440
Speaker 4: they snapped an eleven game losing streak, including the postseason.

1597
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 4: That's why he's not coaching the team anymore. That's the

1598
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 4: predominant reason. Because he ran up against the Nuggets, who

1599
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 4: are better, and they smacked him around. The Lakers only

1600
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 4: won one game. That's the biggest reason why he's not back.

1601
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy, that is perfect. I completely agree with you,

1602
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 3: because get herm Edwards on the phone, Get Eric man

1603
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: Gini on the phone, Get Rex Ryan, get Todd Bowles,

1604
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 3: get Adam Gase on the phone. Ask them why they're

1605
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 3: no longer coaching the New York Jets, and they'll tell

1606
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,480
Speaker 3: you the same person, Bill Belichick, like the standard sometimes

1607
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: is the opponent. You know, sometimes it has nothing to

1608
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 3: do with what's happening inside of your own building. It

1609
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 3: has everything to do with what's happening elsewhere. And if

1610
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 3: you're the Johnson family in New York and you're looking

1611
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 3: for a head coach to compete in your division against

1612
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 3: the Patriots, you need to find a head coach who

1613
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 3: can beat the Patriots consistently. Otherwise you need to find

1614
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 3: a new head coach. And so I completely agree with you.

1615
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 3: I experienced this. You know, the Rex Ryan years. They

1616
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: were tough on the Patriots. I remember our game plans

1617
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 3: for the Jets. It was like, rip up everything you

1618
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 3: think you know about football because they're going to be

1619
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 3: bringing nine blitzers. Sometimes it just was Rex Ryan was

1620
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,759
Speaker 3: I mean, he was fearless against the Patriots because he realized, look,

1621
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 3: he's an all or nothing guy anyways, defensively especially that's

1622
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 3: where he, you know, obviously earned his stripes in the

1623
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 3: NFL as a coordinator before a head coach. But truly

1624
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 3: against us, it was it was we're going to he

1625
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 3: knows exactly what this is. We are going to try

1626
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 3: to confuse them as best we can, and if Tom

1627
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 3: Brady tears us apart, we're gonna go down swinging, and

1628
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna go down trying and that's the reason why

1629
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 3: you're hired to be a New York Jets head coach

1630
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 3: is to compete somehow, find a way to compete with

1631
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 3: the Patriots. Well, guess what in the West right now,

1632
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 3: every single coaching hire, every single coaching hire in the

1633
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: West should be Okay, do we have the guy who

1634
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 3: we think we could beat the Denver Nuggets with. If

1635
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 3: we don't, then we need to find a new head coach.

1636
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 3: So I won one hundred percent agree with you, Bino, Like,

1637
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 3: this is where it's at right now. The standards in Denver.

1638
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 3: Can you beat them? If you can't, it's time to

1639
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 3: move on.

1640
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something to be said about that, And there's

1641
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: a certain level of man Good teams don't lose in

1642
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,879
Speaker 2: these spots, and when they do, there's a blame place somewhere.

1643
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 2: And I don't want to say the Lakers are this

1644
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 2: like great team, but yeah, it goes back to our

1645
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 2: original point in the top of the show, like the

1646
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: scapegoat for what happened to the Lakers this year. Somebody

1647
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 2: had to had to, you know, pay the bill, and

1648
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: it was Darvin Ham. But it wasn't a specific person

1649
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: inside the organization that did it. It was just the

1650
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 2: fact that the results didn't meet the expectations. And when

1651
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 2: that happens, well, usually somebody gets gets the acts. But

1652
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: you're you're you're right, guys, it's not this like internal struggle.

1653
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 2: It's it's a result based business. The results weren't there.

1654
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 2: Why weren't the results there? Well, because they had a

1655
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,879
Speaker 2: really tough matchup in the playoffs and they got punked

1656
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 2: for the second straight year by let's call them, the

1657
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: best team right now in the NBA. That's why he

1658
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 2: lost his job. Like, it's not like some you know,

1659
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 2: big insider trading scandal. Here it's results, and we work

1660
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 2: in an industry that is driven by you know, short

1661
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 2: term results more important certainly than long term resorts, especially

1662
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: based off of these coaching hires. But yeah, it's not

1663
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 2: really this you know, complicated situation like Lakers wanted to win,

1664
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 2: they didn't, somebody got fired.

1665
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 4: Hey, our trusted producer Bo Benson with another guest appearance

1666
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 4: right here, This is a treat Bo, what do you

1667
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 4: think about this?

1668
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but as someone who willingly watches this team

1669
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 7: play about seventy games a year to frame damage, bless her,

1670
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 7: I can I can confidently say that Darvinham got fired

1671
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 7: because he wouldn't use the rotations that got them to

1672
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 7: the Western Conference Finals last year. That's the reason he

1673
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 7: doesn't have a job. There's been tons of reporting after

1674
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 7: the season ended that the team was shocked that he

1675
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 7: was starting Tory in prints for forty minutes a night,

1676
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 7: when the entire summer he preached how important that lineup was.

1677
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 7: They got them to Western Conference finals last year. So yeah,

1678
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 7: it's you feel bad for the guy, but he was

1679
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 7: also just not ready for prime time. It just was

1680
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 7: up to snuff, and so he casts himself his job.

1681
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 4: Let me there's there's go ahead.

1682
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask a follow up because I

1683
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 3: think it's it's interesting as a Laker fan, do you

1684
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 3: believe that Lebron James have more power than Darvin Ham

1685
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 3: in the dynamic? I mean, I think probably a little bit.

1686
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 3: So do you think this was a little bit of

1687
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 3: Lebron like realizing this isn't what I want, this isn't working,

1688
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 3: this isn't good enough to contend in the West. So

1689
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,839
Speaker 3: instead of letting this go, instead of trying to insert

1690
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 3: myself in the conversation improve this, I'm gonna let him

1691
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,879
Speaker 3: hang himself with the rope that that that's provided.

1692
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 7: I think I think Lebron having that player option is

1693
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 7: very telling in terms of how the Lakers are going

1694
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 7: to operate this offseason. But he also Darvin Ham completely

1695
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 7: froze out, like Austin Reeves and Dangel Russell to the

1696
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 7: point where they would like publicly feud with him, Like

1697
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 7: Darvin Haam called out Anthony Davis, who you know, in

1698
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 7: a year or two is going to be the Lakers franchise.

1699
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 7: So it's you know, it's not just because they lost

1700
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 7: of the Nuggets, but also, you know, our good friend

1701
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 7: Steve Hartman would love to point out that Ham not

1702
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 7: running the lineup they got them in the Western Conference

1703
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 7: finals cost them probably a four or five seed in

1704
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 7: the West, and they wouldn't even play the Nuggets, yet

1705
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 7: they'd probably still be alive.

1706
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 4: Well that's the thing. I don't know why, because Rui

1707
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 4: Hachimura was a big part of their success last season.

1708
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know why.

1709
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 4: He was sort of in the doghouse or at least

1710
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 4: Darvin Ham preferred like both said he preferred Tory and

1711
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 4: Prince and it was like.

1712
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 7: But why nobody out here knew why he did the

1713
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 7: stuff he did.

1714
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: It was it was ridiculous.

1715
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying is there are numerous things at play.

1716
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's just getting smacked by the Nuggets,

1717
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,799
Speaker 4: but I do think that's the number one reason, because

1718
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 4: ask yourself this, all these other criticisms like the Rory Ruy,

1719
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 4: Torrian Prince thing, the the rotations, the well maybe Lebron

1720
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 4: he's not completely fond of Arvin Haam. Imagine how all

1721
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 4: that is a different situation if it's not running into

1722
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 4: the Nuggets each of the last two years. You know

1723
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 4: what I mean, If they play someone else in the

1724
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 4: first round and they survived that series and they go on,

1725
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 4: let's say they make it to the Western Conference finals again.

1726
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 4: You think Darvin Ham's getting run out of town after

1727
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 4: making it to the Western Conference finals two straight years.

1728
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 2: I doubt it.

1729
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 4: And he still has coofy rotations and he does some

1730
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 4: things that are perplexing. But I think that's the main

1731
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 4: reason is because they got punked by the Nuggets, like

1732
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 4: they're clearly a weight class better. I just think, listen, man,

1733
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 4: sometimes this thing goes in cycles. It's interesting to me

1734
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 4: that Mike Budenholzer is one of the main candidates for

1735
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 4: this Lakers job. Think about what happened to coach Budd

1736
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 4: Just last year, the Bucks had Giannis hurt against the

1737
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 4: Miami Heat in the first round and they fired him

1738
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 4: right right, Mike Budenholzer had a brother who died. Yeah,

1739
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 4: during that first round series, they still fired him. He

1740
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 4: won seventy percent of his games, won a championship, and

1741
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 4: they fired the guy which would and now he's a

1742
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 4: candidate for the Lakers.

1743
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 3: Kid. It brings me back to that question of okay,

1744
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 3: so yanna, there's all the excuses in the world to

1745
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 3: keep him as a coach, and you could make potentially

1746
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 3: some of the similar arguments for Darvin Ham in LA.

1747
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 3: But if if Jannis doesn't want Bud, if if if

1748
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 3: Lebron doesn't want Darvin Ham, then then it's over right.

1749
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 3: And so that's why I think, like, yeah, maybe the

1750
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 3: rotations were a little wonky, but maybe with a little

1751
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 3: tact and a little conversation, a little i don't know,

1752
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 3: eighty grit sam paper, you know, start smoothing things down

1753
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 3: and then you know, you get to the finer grain

1754
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 3: sam paper. With Darvin Ham, if you're Lebron James, You're

1755
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 3: able to get this thing back to a shiny sheen

1756
01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 3: before playoff time and you're running the rotation you want.

1757
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 3: If you're Lebron, he has that kind of sway. Darvin

1758
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 3: Ham knows the deal. He knows. He probably knew time

1759
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 3: was up, and so he was. He was gonna go

1760
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 3: down swinging a little bit of that Rex Ryan thing

1761
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 3: I was talking about, Like, if you're gonna go down,

1762
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 3: go down in the blaze glory and do it the

1763
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 3: way you want to do it. But that's the point.

1764
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 3: I think Giannis was done with Bud and that's why

1765
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 3: he got out, And I think Lebron was done with

1766
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 3: with Darvin Ham, and that's the reason why he's gonna

1767
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 3: be looking for a job again.

1768
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 2: It goes back to what I said when we started

1769
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 2: the show. The coach is just it's just not important

1770
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 2: in today's landscape. And I know that's a bad take.

1771
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 2: Maybe it is, Maybe I'm wrong. I don't care this.

1772
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 2: I watch these games more in the playoffs than I

1773
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 2: do in the regular season. To be fair, I don't

1774
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 2: watch them as much in the regular season really at all.

1775
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 2: But when I watch these games in the playoffs, like

1776
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 2: I don't see a whole lot of Oh man, if

1777
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 2: the coach didn't call this play at this time, this

1778
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 2: team would be done. It's over. In the NFL, guys,

1779
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: the coaching is everything. In hockey, I don't know enough

1780
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 2: about the sport to really and baseball doesn't matter. The

1781
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 2: manager is a figurehead on the sidelines. I think pitch,

1782
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,759
Speaker 2: I've got a manager who can handle the pitching staff

1783
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 2: and the bullpen is more important than you know, picking

1784
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 2: a lineup. But to me in the NBA, like it's

1785
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 2: you put your best five players on the floor and

1786
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 2: you go play. And if Darvin ham was incapable of

1787
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 2: doing that based off of the rotations, yeah he needed

1788
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 2: to go.

1789
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 4: I like I I think it's more important than you

1790
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 4: think it is. Jared probably, But I'm not like the

1791
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 4: Grand Canyon between you know what I mean, Like you're

1792
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 4: on one side, I'm on the other. I think it

1793
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 4: matters because I'll give you some examples. Look at the

1794
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 4: Knicks without Tom Thibodeau like that.

1795
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 2: He's a good example of riot matters.

1796
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 4: Like their ay right, it's a culture thing, the whole thing.

1797
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 4: So I think it matters. But it's just interesting to me,

1798
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 4: is how teams view their own situation right where. Look

1799
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 4: at what happened with coach Budd last year he gets

1800
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 4: fired and Yann has missed half the series, and then

1801
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 4: you fast forward to this year, is Doc getting fired

1802
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 4: now that Janni's didn't play the first round?

1803
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 3: I was thinking, now, you know.

1804
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 4: And and also look at Tylu. Look at how the

1805
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 4: Bucks viewed Budenholzer and how the Clippers view to Ron

1806
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 4: Lou where Tylu didn't have Kawhi for most of the series.

1807
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 4: He's in line for a contract extension, Like the Lakers

1808
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 4: would give up fingers to get Tylu right now, and

1809
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 4: the Bucks couldn't wait to get rid of Budenholes. It's

1810
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 4: just weird how how it differs from team to team

1811
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 4: and how they view their own situation.

1812
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah. I NBA coaching it definitely

1813
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 3: feels a little bit more like being a figurehead and

1814
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 3: being a politician and being the voice for a movement

1815
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 3: as opposed to being the action behind that movement like that,

1816
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 3: you know, it really is. It's a political position, and

1817
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 3: you've got to say the things that are agreeable with

1818
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 3: the locker room publicly. You got to say the things

1819
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 3: private within the locker room that don't get out publicly,

1820
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 3: that maybe are some hard truths that sometimes maybe shine

1821
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:08,799
Speaker 3: a light on things that need to change.

1822
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 4: Well that's the thing rich too, is I just want

1823
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 4: to add to that. Yeah, it makes me think of

1824
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 4: think of Phil Jackson with the bulls. Yes, right, it's

1825
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 4: not just x's and o's. It's managing all these egos

1826
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 4: and getting everybody getting the best out of them. That's

1827
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 4: a lot what an NBA coach does.

1828
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really is. You're the tone setter. It's like, okay,

1829
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 3: so why do we have you know, I don't know

1830
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 3: why do directors win Academy Awards when it's the actors

1831
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 3: who are on the screen. You never see the director. Well,

1832
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 3: we know that the director sets the tone of the

1833
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 3: whole film, the filming process, the actual on set tone, right,

1834
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 3: and then in the editing room they put final touching

1835
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 3: touches with the editors. You know, in terms of how

1836
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 3: the movie's publicized. They're involved on the back end of

1837
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 3: the movie, like their their fingerprints are on everything, but

1838
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 3: they don't do any of the actual w They're just

1839
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 3: giving suggestion and motivating things to work a way that

1840
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 3: creates the correct tone. That's the word, and that's an

1841
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 3: NBA coaches. That's the main job of an NBA head

1842
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 3: coach these days, and maybe it always was, you're the

1843
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 3: tone setter. Steve Kerr is masterful at this is he

1844
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,640
Speaker 3: has that zen like quality. He seems to strike the

1845
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 3: right chords with all of those Warriors players and has

1846
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:29,640
Speaker 3: for years. Popovich for I mean, now it feels like

1847
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 3: generations with the San Antonio Spurs, but we're running out

1848
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 3: of guys who he could point to and say like, yeah,

1849
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 3: they've figured it out and they've had long term success

1850
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 3: in this business because they understand the tone that needs

1851
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 3: to be set. Darvin Ham maybe he never had it,

1852
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 3: or maybe he was just cast with the wrong group,

1853
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 3: because it is very difficult to be a tone setter

1854
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 3: with Lebron James, because that is a star that stands

1855
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 3: above every single other star in the NBA. Lebron right

1856
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 3: now is them. They are in panic mode searching for

1857
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 3: the next Lebron James right now. Trust me when I

1858
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 3: tell you the saddest day of Adam Silver's career is

1859
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 3: going to be the day where Lebron James says, yeah,

1860
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 3: I'm too tired, I'm done Brownie is off to his

1861
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 3: NBA career. I'm out, that's gonna be a sad day.

1862
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 3: So Darvin Ham, that's a tough job to try to

1863
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 3: play politics in.

1864
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no you can't be a politician in that

1865
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 2: job like that. I think you have to be the

1866
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 2: Lebron party right, Republican Democrat and then the Lebron's Yeah, you've

1867
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 2: got to be a member of that party in order

1868
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 2: to have success. But I yeah, Like the more we

1869
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 2: think about it, there's varying levels of coaching in the NBA. Yeah,

1870
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 2: obviously what Tibbs is doing in New York. I think

1871
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 2: what Finch did in Minnesota. I think who went Coach

1872
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 2: of the Year in Okay? See yeah, Daniel. Like again,

1873
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 2: those are for the most part, young up and coming

1874
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,440
Speaker 2: coaches with young up and coming teams looking to set cultures.

1875
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:01,640
Speaker 2: I think the head coach matters more in those situations

1876
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 2: in the city.

1877
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 3: But we're not talking about that situation.

1878
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 2: This is the Laker situation. The Laker situation, like, how

1879
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 2: about we do this, how about we hire I don't know,

1880
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 2: JJ Riddick to be the head coach and you just

1881
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 2: make Lebron the offensive coordinator. The defensive coordinator, the special

1882
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 2: teams coordinator, like he handles all the what's gonna happen

1883
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 2: on the floor x's and o's, and you get JJ

1884
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,520
Speaker 2: Reddick to handle right the outside stuff, the rotations, managing

1885
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 2: the locker room like you're right. Like we almost need

1886
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,799
Speaker 2: to make like a job description for this post, because

1887
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 2: I think the Lakers head coaching job is very different,

1888
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 2: probably the most unique of every other head coaching job

1889
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 2: in the NBA, because frankly, there is already a head

1890
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 2: coach on the roster, and it makes it tricky. It

1891
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 2: kind of you have to dance between the rain drops.

1892
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 2: So whoever gets this gig, it ain't gonna be whatever

1893
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 2: job you had before if you were a head coach

1894
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: prior to this. Throw that experience out the window because

1895
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 2: that does not apply to what the Lakers need to

1896
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 2: do with their head coaching opening.

1897
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 4: He's Jared Smith FSR betting analyst, Rich Hornberger with US

1898
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 4: Penn State, All American, with his beautiful hair, getting set

1899
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:18,679
Speaker 4: for graduation festivities right there. Yes, Brian coming up next.

1900
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 2: I want to rant just for a little bit.

1901
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 3: Ye.

1902
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 4: I like, there is an over the top negative reaction

1903
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 4: and it is one of the silliest things in sports.

1904
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 4: That great assist by Chris Purfett. Maybe we'll do that

1905
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 4: throughout the entire rant. I don't know, we'll find out.

1906
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 4: Next it is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox

1907
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:45,560
Speaker 4: Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on

1908
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so you've you've said I could

1909
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 4: have a little bit of leeway over here, have a blast.

1910
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 4: We want to rant like a crazy person just for

1911
01:38:57,840 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 4: maybe a minute or so.

1912
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's right.

1913
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 4: Our technical producer, Chris Purfett, he's got the he's got

1914
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Speaker 4: the right music cueued up right here, you know, for

1915
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 4: a good rant if you will. What's this called again?

1916
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Speaker 2: Chris?

1917
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 3: What's shipping up to Boston?

1918
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 4: Shipping up to Boston? Who sings this dropkick? Murphy's That's right?

1919
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 8: And I think I remember I had known the dropkicks

1920
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,680
Speaker 8: for a while, but I think heard in The Departed first. Oh,

1921
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 8: and I just every time I hear this, I just

1922
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 8: hear Jack Nicholson in my head screaming, lose the.

1923
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:30,639
Speaker 2: Tail, ye get read the fi tail? Yeah, no doubt.

1924
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 2: It was perfect in that movie.

1925
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Speaker 4: So here's the thing I would have ran about, guys,

1926
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 4: NFL Draft greats Okay, Now, I'm not going down the

1927
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 4: road you might think I am going down. I'm going

1928
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 4: down the road opposing what you commonly hear. Okay, this

1929
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 4: is what I truly think. It's not to be contrarian.

1930
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 4: But you know, Rich, you had the electricity thing last week.

1931
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Speaker 3: Yep.

1932
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Speaker 4: And so that was on the heels of the NFL Draft,

1933
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 4: and I saw a post that I want to get

1934
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 4: to where there was a film that inspired your football career. Okay,

1935
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 4: so I saw this post, but it got me thinking

1936
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 4: of the NFL draft in general. And you hear this

1937
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 4: every single year when the draft grades come out. You'll

1938
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 4: hear someone say, I mean, we've got draft.

1939
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 2: Grades over here.

1940
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 4: Who knows what's gonna happen three years from now, five

1941
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 4: years from now, ten years from now, how do we know?

1942
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 2: How do we know?

1943
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 4: And they just go on and I want to rip

1944
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 4: my hair out because think about this, guys, Okay, this

1945
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 4: is what predictions are. They're just a bunch of educated guesses.

1946
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 4: Do you go crazy if we have Super Bowl predictions

1947
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 4: or we have a prediction who's gonna win the MVP? Hey, well,

1948
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 4: the Packers win over or under nine and a half

1949
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:59,560
Speaker 4: games this year, right, like nobody goes crazy over most predictions,

1950
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 4: just because it's a prediction to begin with. But for

1951
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 4: some reason people have an axe to grind against NFL

1952
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 4: draft grades. And every year I just have my arms

1953
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 4: to the side, like do you react like this with

1954
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 4: other predictions? That's all it is. It's an educated guess

1955
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 4: of how Caleb Williams or Roma Doonsay will do for

1956
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 4: the Bears in the NFL. And if someone gave them

1957
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 4: an a minus, why would that bend you out of shape?

1958
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 2: Why?

1959
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 4: But every year you got someone just yelling about these

1960
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 4: NFL draft grades and why do we have them? Because

1961
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 4: they're predictions and people love predictions.

1962
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Speaker 2: They went back to them.

1963
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Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god.

1964
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 2: You know what.

1965
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 3: I owe an apology based off of this rant. Okay,

1966
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 3: I really do, because I gave somebody who's sitting in

1967
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 3: this room, or I should say, in this vicinity, because

1968
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:00,679
Speaker 3: we're all in different rooms here in Fox Orts Radio

1969
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 3: a hard time last weekend on the Sunday Show. Uh,

1970
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 3: when I uh, when the power returned, when I uh,

1971
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 3: When I was having a conversation with Chris Purfet, it

1972
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 3: was me and Hartman. We're going back and forth over

1973
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 3: the draft and Chris jumps in and he goes anybody

1974
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 3: who trades up to get JJ McCarthy is insane. H.

1975
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 3: You know that's basically and I I mean, I'm that's

1976
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 3: a summary. But is that what you said, Chris? I yes,

1977
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 3: pretty much. Yeah. And I reacted to that saying, well,

1978
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:39,680
Speaker 3: who are you to say? We have no idea? J. J.

1979
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 3: McCarthy has never played a step in the NFL. We

1980
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 3: don't know. He looked okay at Michigan. He was pretty

1981
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 3: clutch in certain spots, and I get it, he doesn't

1982
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 3: look like a bulletproof prospect, but we don't know. Tom

1983
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 3: Brady was a sixth rounder and Russell was a third

1984
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 3: rounder and blah blah blah. And I'm spinning all the

1985
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 3: plates that are normally spun when somebody makes this argument.

1986
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what, Brian, you're pretty thoughtful guy,

1987
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 3: because there was an era in my stars. I don't

1988
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 3: think I really thought about it in context of I

1989
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 3: make predictions all the time. I make predictions about my life.

1990
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 3: I make predictions. I mean this show. The reason why

1991
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 3: we're doing this show is because people like our predictions,

1992
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 3: Like they listen to us, and you know, maybe they're

1993
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 3: humored by our opinions or our banter. But also they're

1994
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 3: coming here for you know, I mean, Jared Smith, You're

1995
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,560
Speaker 3: you're betting expert, the ohone cold cash. I mean, so

1996
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 3: that's that's part of the thing, right, So why should

1997
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 3: I condemn Chris purfet for taking a wild guess at

1998
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 3: what he thinks JJ McCarthy is gonna look like? You

1999
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 3: may have changed me here this because it's true. I've

2000
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 3: been I've been on that side of the fence for

2001
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 3: a long time, and maybe I'm denying myself having the

2002
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 3: fun that Chris Purfett was having where he goes JJ

2003
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 3: McCarthy's gonna stink.

2004
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 8: I don't know if me taking on a bunch of

2005
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 8: Mission fans every week on a twitch stream is fun.

2006
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 8: But hey, if you're ready to cast JJ McCarthy into

2007
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 8: the fires of hell, I'm right here with you.

2008
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I too, to be perfectly frank with you,

2009
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 3: think he's gonna stink at the next level. I just

2010
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 3: wasn't bold enough to say it because also, look, I mean,

2011
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 3: it is the truth. We don't really know and blah

2012
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah the whole argument. But but yeah, no,

2013
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 3: what you're saying is absolutely accurate. Like I think I

2014
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 3: think getting all hot and bothered about people giving draft grades,

2015
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 3: like why is that such a bad thing. There's a

2016
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 3: lot of people who do a lot more homework on

2017
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 3: the draft than I do, and if they have strong

2018
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 3: opinions about whether or not prospects are gonna work out

2019
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,560
Speaker 3: or not, well, I mean, why should that bother me

2020
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 3: in the least bit?

2021
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think who who the predictions are coming from? Matters?

2022
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 2: Do you trust them? But let's be honest, this happens

2023
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:52,679
Speaker 2: every day in all walks of life. I haven't seen

2024
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 2: the victriol for it that, I guess Brian has. I

2025
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 2: have heard a lot of the discourse like, oh, how

2026
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,879
Speaker 2: do you know what these guys are gonna do? Yet?

2027
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 2: Even know what I'm gonna have for dinner tonight? Perfectly

2028
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 2: honest with you guys, Like I'm just kind of flying

2029
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 2: by the seat of my pants.

2030
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:06,919
Speaker 3: I'm predicting Dino nuggets.

2031
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 2: Oh, actually, Saturdays, I get off on it. I do

2032
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 2: another show later tonight. I'll probably stop it in and

2033
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 2: out on the way home. That's on Saturday night. But

2034
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 2: but there is a level of education that comes along

2035
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 2: with what we do, and I would be out of

2036
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 2: a job if all this stuff wouldn't there's no predictions

2037
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 2: like I would be sitting on my couch cuddling with

2038
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 2: Jackpot and that would be my life because I make

2039
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,600
Speaker 2: predictions all day long. That's literally my job. So the

2040
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 2: question is are you making these predictions based off of bias,

2041
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 2: based off of your.

2042
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 3: Personal opinion or is there some starch behind it?

2043
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Is there some education, is there some knowledge?

2044
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 3: Is there some backing?

2045
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, you can make predictions till you're blue in

2046
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,799
Speaker 2: the face. I think where I throttle up and throttle

2047
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 2: down the source of those predictions, how reliable is that

2048
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 2: person giving me the predictions? And is it coming from

2049
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 2: a place of anger? Are you, you know, taking out

2050
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 2: your frustrations because you lost to Michigan a million times

2051
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:07,759
Speaker 2: in your career and now you just think JJ McCarthy

2052
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 2: stinks or did you watch the tape because for example,

2053
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 2: the worst prediction of all time, at least for this draft,

2054
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 2: was when Jim Harbas said, yeah, JJ McCarthy is the

2055
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 2: best quarterback. He's gonna be taken first. He went on

2056
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 2: Colin Coward show like the week after the Super Bowl

2057
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 2: and said that, and I remember tweeting at the time like, yeah,

2058
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 2: this is probably the worst draft prediction of all time.

2059
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 2: That kind of prediction I have a problem with because

2060
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 2: it's clearly you're just you know, you're just bumping up

2061
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 2: your player like there's.

2062
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 3: No actual truth or fact behind it.

2063
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 2: But when you're actually like a draft guy and you're

2064
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 2: giving me the grades based off of actual educated you know, research, Yeah,

2065
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it.

2066
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 4: It's an educated guess. That's what every prediction is. Every

2067
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 4: prediction is an educated guest. I think this agreements are

2068
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 4: fine relating to the draft. If it's a certain hick.

2069
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:02,680
Speaker 4: If you think the guy is gonna work out and

2070
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 4: the other person thinks he doesn't, and there are legitimate

2071
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,720
Speaker 4: reasons as to why, that's fine, that's fine. It's just

2072
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 4: I'm raging against the section that is just dead set

2073
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 4: against any grade whatsoever, and that's what we do. How

2074
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 4: dare you have a prediction about this draft class?

2075
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 3: It's just funny to me.

2076
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 4: It's if you came on the air and said, Hey,

2077
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 4: I think the Ravens are gonna win the Super Bowl

2078
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 4: this year. People don't react the same way about just

2079
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 4: you having a prediction, Like.

2080
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 2: How do we know Lamar is gonna stay healthy. How

2081
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 2: do we know about this? Do we know about what

2082
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 2: about the Bengals? What if Joe Burrows healthy this year?

2083
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:40,640
Speaker 2: So then pick the Bengals? Doing this?

2084
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're preaching to the converted. You really are,

2085
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 3: because I never I really never thought much further out

2086
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 3: from yeah, like you know, you just don't know. So

2087
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 3: why even bother putting a letter grade on it? And

2088
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 3: the answer is the only reason why I don't see

2089
01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 3: value in it, or I guess I didn't see value

2090
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 3: in it, is because there's there's really no skin in

2091
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 3: the game. It feels like a draft analyst can say

2092
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 3: whatever he wants and then you know whether he's right

2093
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 3: or wrong, he's still going to be analyzing the next

2094
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 3: year's Draftlis can trust me well, and you will, and

2095
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 3: that's true. But but what I appreciate about you as

2096
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 3: a betting analyst is you do have skin in the game.

2097
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 3: Like oftentimes, if there's a listener who has a problem

2098
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 3: with a pick, you're like, yeah, me too, because you're

2099
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,719
Speaker 3: in it, like you know. So maybe there's a little

2100
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 3: bit of that aspect. But now with obviously sports gambling

2101
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 3: becoming more popular and legal, state to state and more

2102
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 3: ability to bet on the draft, and you know, I

2103
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 3: mean in different different things. I mean, who knows, Maybe

2104
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 3: we will have futures on draft picks that relate to

2105
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 3: draft analysis, and maybe some of these draft analysts will

2106
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 3: finally have to put their money where their mouth is

2107
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,600
Speaker 3: and say, I forecast he'll be a pro bowler in

2108
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 3: three years, and here are the odds on that bad

2109
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, who knows? Like you know,

2110
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 3: so I guess where I get off or where I

2111
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 3: get off the bus is I'm I trip over the

2112
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 3: thought process that maybe some of these guys who I

2113
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 3: don't trust are lamb basting players because it feels like

2114
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,719
Speaker 3: the right thing to do right now. Uh that maybe

2115
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 3: that's where But but I'm I'm going to stop short

2116
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 3: of arguing why are we doing this? This is dumb

2117
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:31,599
Speaker 3: because the truth is I've been a hypocrite at times

2118
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:34,920
Speaker 3: because while I'm saying nobody should put draft grades on this,

2119
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 3: on this guy, or on this draft overall, or the

2120
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens or you know how the Jets did in

2121
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 3: the draft, meanwhile I'll say, hey, you know, I think

2122
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 3: the Chargers did pretty good getting an offensive tackle in

2123
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 3: the first round. A lot of people think it's a

2124
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 3: controversial pick, but I think they needed a tackle. It's like, well,

2125
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 3: I'm doing the same thing. I'm guilty of the same

2126
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 3: crime that I'm charging people with. It's it's very funny.

2127
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's here's where I do take an issue with

2128
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 2: some of the predictions when it's very, very obvious that

2129
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 2: there's bias there. And I think that's the key with

2130
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 2: these draft predictions. You have to keep it in perspective. Yes,

2131
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 2: make all the predictions in the grades that you want.

2132
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 2: That is literally what we do all day long. That's

2133
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 2: what the odds makers do. They make their own predictions,

2134
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 2: they put the market out there, and then they let

2135
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 2: the market kind of say this is wrong. I'm betting here,

2136
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 2: this is right, I'm not gonna bet this. That's literally

2137
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 2: our job every day. The problem that I have is

2138
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 2: when you're doing it in a way that you're trying

2139
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 2: to manipulate a market or you're just obviously biased, Like

2140
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 2: you have to know that if you are making a

2141
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 2: prediction now, it is very early stages and you have

2142
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 2: to be flexible to move that prediction up or down

2143
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 2: based off of the very you know, long road ahead

2144
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,679
Speaker 2: for these players. For example, if you think JJ McCarthy

2145
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 2: is the worst of all time and he plays really

2146
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 2: well this year, are you going to be stubborn about

2147
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 2: your prediction because we're seeing that he's actually playing pretty well,

2148
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 2: But you're still living in the I think he's going

2149
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 2: to be the worst quarterback ever and any team that

2150
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 2: trades up is dumb. But now you're seeing some of

2151
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 2: the actual play and he's like, oh wow, he's actually

2152
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 2: pretty good.

2153
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 3: The question is how.

2154
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 2: Nimble are you and are you going to be stubborn

2155
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:22,759
Speaker 2: and pigheaded about your prediction when the actual games start

2156
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 2: and we have real substance to go off of. Hey,

2157
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 2: I'll make your prediction.

2158
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 4: Isaac Lowen Kron, Oh yeah, we'll crush this update okay,

2159
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to be nimble about that one.

2160
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 2: That's set and stone I loo with.

2161
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:40,599
Speaker 4: The latest sports.

2162
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 3: Trade.

2163
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 2: Set yourself up for that, Brian, Come on, what am

2164
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 2: I going to do with that?

2165
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:53,599
Speaker 9: I always have to be the contrarian around here, Thank you, Brian.

2166
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:55,879
Speaker 9: We do have a big trade in Major League Baseball

2167
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 9: that became official today, the San Diego Padres acquiring two

2168
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 9: time bad champion in two time all Star Luis a

2169
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 9: rise from the Miami Marlins. In Game six of the

2170
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 9: NBA Playoffs on Friday night, the Orlando Magic to viea

2171
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 9: to the Cleveland Cavaliers one to three to ninety six

2172
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 9: to force a game seven despite fifty by Donovan Mitchell.

2173
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 9: Game seven on Sunday at Cleveland. Also on Friday night,

2174
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 9: the Dallas Mavericks eliminated the Los Angeles Clippers one fourteen to.

2175
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 3: One oh one.

2176
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 9: Dallas will be at West one seed Oklahoma City on

2177
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 9: Tuesday night in Game one of the Western Conference semi Finals.

2178
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 9: In Game six of the Stanley Cup Playoffs on Friday night,

2179
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 9: the Vegas Golden Knights defeed that the Dallas Stars to

2180
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:39,679
Speaker 9: nothing to force a game seven. In their opening round series.

2181
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 9: Vancouver All won nothing victory at Nashville to take that

2182
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 9: series four games to two. Finally, a bizarre video clip

2183
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:51,559
Speaker 9: beginning to go viral as we speak.

2184
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 3: It shows someone.

2185
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:59,839
Speaker 9: Wearing a sombrero and carrying four planks of wood home depot,

2186
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 9: storming into a radio studio and singing Happy Birthday to

2187
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 9: someone named Travis.

2188
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 4: Do we have that much?

2189
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 3: Listen?

2190
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 2: It's everything I wanted.

2191
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 3: Wow, that's fantastic.

2192
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 9: Wow, Wow, guys, Rich any ideas to the identity of

2193
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:34,639
Speaker 9: that individual in the sombrero.

2194
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 3: Okay, we were celebrating Seco de Mile a couple of

2195
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:41,759
Speaker 3: days early because it's a weekday show in San Diego.

2196
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:47,439
Speaker 3: So you know, like one does you were the appropriate attire.

2197
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:51,280
Speaker 6: We had the whole studio decked out, We had tequila

2198
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 6: in studio and then and then we also had a

2199
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 6: birthday Travisdale, my co host in San Diego.

2200
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 3: San Diego Sports seventy sixty. Rich Dedium fletched TD turns

2201
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:06,560
Speaker 3: forty five, and so in order to celebrate, he's a

2202
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 3: di I wire I bought. I bought him lumber and

2203
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 3: I just stapled gift cards to them. So he's got

2204
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 3: two hundo to spend at home depot this weekend, and

2205
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 3: he's got about forty eight feet of two by four

2206
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 3: lumber to do whatever he wants with. And so, yeah,

2207
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was trying to be a good

2208
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 3: friend and I load you embarrassed me in front of

2209
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:27,160
Speaker 3: my other friends.

2210
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 2: Oh no, that was a tremendous singing voice.

2211
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 3: Well, thank you darling. Happy jfkn Yeah, I was, and

2212
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 3: I was wearing something, I mean, uncomfortable let's put it

2213
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:38,360
Speaker 3: that way.

2214
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 4: Hey, shortly after the show, our podcast will be going up.

2215
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 4: If you missed anything on today's show, be sure to

2216
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 4: check it out. Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you

2217
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 4: get your podcasts. Be sure to also follow rate and

2218
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 4: review it again. Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you

2219
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 4: get your podcasts. You'll see the show posted right after

2220
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:56,720
Speaker 4: we get off the air. All right, We've got rich

2221
01:54:56,760 --> 01:55:00,800
Speaker 4: oron Berger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst.

2222
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 4: I'm Brian No coming up next. We have our picks.

2223
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 4: We'll get those out there, but we also have an

2224
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 4: epic story that we have to share with you beforehand.

2225
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 4: We'll do both next. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right

2226
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:16,879
Speaker 4: here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday,

2227
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 4: right here on Fox Sports Radio. Props to the crew,

2228
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 4: Bo Benson, trusted producer, Chris Perfet, Technical producer Isaac Lowenkron

2229
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 4: crushing the updates, Crushing Life, Top of the Hour, Up

2230
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 4: on Game, LaVar Arrington, DJ Huschman, Zada, Flexico, Burist. They've

2231
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 4: got you covered before our picks real fast. We don't

2232
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 4: have a lot of time, Rich We want the cliffs

2233
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 4: Notes version here. I saw a random post. Yeah about

2234
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:50,680
Speaker 4: how a movie inspired you to start playing football in

2235
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 4: the first place.

2236
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wasn't allowed to play football until the eighth

2237
01:55:54,560 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 3: grade because my mom wouldn't let me, and oddly, uugh,

2238
01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:05,520
Speaker 3: the movie The water Boy hit cable television. It was

2239
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 3: all over HBO this summer before eighth grade, and she

2240
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 3: finally relented. She finally allowed me to play football. And

2241
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 3: I was then nervous because I was a lacrosse player.

2242
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 3: I was about to try out for the football team,

2243
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 3: and I didn't know if I was gonna be good.

2244
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,879
Speaker 3: I didn't even know if I wanted to do it anymore,

2245
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 3: because it had been for so long, Mom, you're not

2246
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 3: letting me or not? She was finally a fine, you

2247
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 3: could do it, and so now it was my choice.

2248
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,160
Speaker 3: The movie The water Boy was all about how Bobby

2249
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 3: Bouchet's mama didn't want him to play football because football

2250
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 3: is for the devil, and Kok coach Klan convinces him

2251
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 3: to play for the mud Dogs and they go and

2252
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 3: they win the Bourbon, the Big Bourbon Bull Championship Game.

2253
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:53,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, if it weren't for Adam Sandler, I would

2254
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:56,360
Speaker 3: not have an NFL career. I would have not played

2255
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 3: in the NFL because I'm telling you right now, that

2256
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 3: movie wivated me to have that tackling fuel that you

2257
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 3: need to go out there and play football. So it's

2258
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 3: amazing a little embarrassing, but that's that's the exact reason why.

2259
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 3: That's that's where it all started.

2260
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 2: It's an awesome story.

2261
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's a great little prequel to our rapid fire picks.

2262
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:18,880
Speaker 2: Huh.

2263
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 4: You wouldn't even be making rapid fire picks, Drew if

2264
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 4: it wasn't for the water boy. Let's dive into this.

2265
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 3: Rapid fire all right.

2266
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 4: Chared, we'll start with you.

2267
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:30,040
Speaker 2: What are you thinking?

2268
01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 1: Man? Yeah?

2269
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 2: Oh and three last week, guys, it was my first

2270
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 2: stinker post Super Bowl. But still eighteen and twelve, you know,

2271
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 2: since football season ended, so we're still doing Okay, let's

2272
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 2: let's get back into the baseball vibes. I'm all Nerfy's today, guys.

2273
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 2: The Nerfy is thirty one and five in the last

2274
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 2: three days.

2275
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 3: It has been low.

2276
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 2: Scoring early on in these games across baseball, and I

2277
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 2: think it's going to continue today. Maybe it'll switch today

2278
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 2: because we're on all on Nerfies, but who knows.

2279
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 3: Marlins Athletics.

2280
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Marlins just traded Luisa Rise and they're a

2281
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:59,280
Speaker 2: Nerfy team for all eternity now for the entire summer.

2282
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 2: And I like pitching matchup today, especially Paul Blackburn on

2283
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 2: the other side for Oakland's been great and Rogers one

2284
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,840
Speaker 2: of the better pictures on the Marlins staff. So we'll

2285
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:10,360
Speaker 2: go Miami Oakland Nerfeed. How about we go Toronto Washington

2286
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 2: Nerfy A good Nerfy tip. I love pitchers that are

2287
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 2: facing a lineup for the first time. That is always

2288
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:18,400
Speaker 2: advantage pitcher. You get that a lot with these inter

2289
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 2: league matchups. Now, Jake Irvin for the Nats, today's never

2290
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 2: faced Toronto. Kevin Gossman on the other side for the

2291
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 2: Blue Jays. I'm not too in love with that Nationals lineup.

2292
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 2: I think Toronto's got the better chance to score. But

2293
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 2: we'll go nurfhy Toronto Washington. And finally, Giants Phillies. No

2294
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 2: Trey Turner tweak this hamstring the other night. Keaton win

2295
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 2: throws really hard for San Francisco. Hasn't seen this Phillies lineup,

2296
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 2: and Ranger Suarez one of the best pitchers on the

2297
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 2: Philly staff for sure. Fantastic Murphy record this year. In Toronto, Washington, Miami, Oakland,

2298
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Philly. A three legger on the Nerfy side

2299
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 2: all three today at bet MGM.

2300
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 3: Okay here for me today. A spread into props so

2301
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:58,920
Speaker 3: tonight's Minnesota Denver game feels like an upstart contender taking

2302
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,360
Speaker 3: on a prize fighter, and it's for the heavyweight belt.

2303
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 3: Early rounds typically go to the champ. I don't think

2304
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 3: this is any different. Nuggets cover the four and a

2305
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 3: half in Denver tonight against the Wolves, but the Wolves

2306
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 3: will eat. So I'm gonna take Rudy Gobert and Anthony

2307
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 3: Edwards both going over their points prop tonight. Gobert is

2308
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,120
Speaker 3: clocking in at thirteen and a half points. He's had

2309
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 3: a good postseason, same with Anthony Edwards twenty seven and

2310
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 3: a half points, which he's been under that line through

2311
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 3: most of the end of the regular season, but he's

2312
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 3: been hot in the postseason. And like Jared Smith says,

2313
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:33,720
Speaker 3: a lot of these lines are written for the regular season.

2314
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 3: I'm taking that advice. I'm going over the twenty seven

2315
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 3: and a half points.

2316
01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:42,000
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I'm gonna look at a game tomorrow.

2317
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:45,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look at game seven. Magic Calves. Give me

2318
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:48,320
Speaker 4: the under one ninety five and a half. I'm expecting

2319
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:50,920
Speaker 4: a grinder, bit of a rock fight. Sometimes we get

2320
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:55,960
Speaker 4: these in game sevens, tight possessions right slows down the pace.

2321
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take under one ninety five and a half.

2322
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 4: Give me the Nuggets tonight, but de gen Bett, but

2323
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:04,880
Speaker 4: I think it can cash. I like the Nuggets, who

2324
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 4: didn't get off the fast starts against the Lakers. They

2325
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:10,920
Speaker 4: changed that tonight against the timber Wolves. Te Wolves straight

2326
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 4: off of a sweep of the Suns, Denver comes out

2327
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:17,520
Speaker 4: strong in the first quarter. I'm gonna go Nuggets minus

2328
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:20,160
Speaker 4: a point and a half in the first quarter, okay,

2329
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 4: and then I'm gonna.

2330
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 2: Double it up.

2331
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 6: Uh.

2332
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:25,640
Speaker 2: This never works, but I think it could this time.

2333
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:29,320
Speaker 4: Give me MPJ Michael Porter Junior under twenty five and

2334
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:32,840
Speaker 4: a half points and rebounds like it. There you go,

2335
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,320
Speaker 4: Hopefully you cash in huge