WEBVTT - Space Zamboni 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:06.160 It's one am in Situate, Massachusetts and you're listening to 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:16.959 Nightcall in Los Angeles. I'm Tess Lynch and with me 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:22.639 are Molly Lambert and Emily Ashia and New York. I 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:28.120 also wanted to mention that if you have any thoughts, questions, rants, ramblings, 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.760 et cetera, you can drop us a line at two 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.879 four zero four six night or email us at Nightcap 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.320 Nightcall Podcast at gmail dot com. Leave us your nightcall. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.919 You can call during the day or night. It's allowed, 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.640 it's all, it's all fine, it's always nice. Do whatever 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.920 you whatever you want to do. Um. So yeah, so 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.400 this week we wanted to start by talking about which 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.320 now feels like all things in our modern era, like 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.800 it took place five years ago. But we wanted to 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.720 just devote a little bit of time to Elon Musk's 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:13.479 um obnoxious space adventure. Elon must space car. He launched 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:19.720 one of his test Tesla cars into orbit around our planet, 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.920 which is Earth for those of you who weren't sure 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:29.400 about that, uh and um, and I feel like there 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.760 was a lot and because of this image of the 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.480 car orbiting the Earth and the guy on it, like 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.560 it just feels like that was the stunt, but people 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.440 are trying to insist that it was actually like a 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.600 more significant rocket launch for other rocket related reasons. It 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.160 was not really sure what those are. They launched like 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.640 three things at once, and that was one of them. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.440 What were the others? The others are like a regular 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.720 SpaceX rocket and a couple of I think one of 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.200 them didn't work or maybe that was the last one. Um, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.320 but people have a very mad when you criticize SpaceX. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:08.519 People get so nobody to use a bro is m 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:13.560 or like a obnoxious trollism, like nobody capes for Elon Musk, 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.480 like the worst bros on the internet. They are he 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.800 is their damsel and they are always coming to his 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.920 rescue to make sure that nobody says anything mean about 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.480 their their boy, because they're dreaming that one day they'll 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.519 be able to afford here plugs and be able to 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.919 launch a car into space. Yeah everybody, I mean, who 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.600 who doesn't who doesn't want that? I saw some I 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.840 think as I was searching for stuff about the rocket 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.480 and I Twitter searched Elon Musk, and you know, people 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.760 are always doing like quote pictures like a picture of 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.560 him with some you know apparently brilliant quote that he said, 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.519 and I'm totally paraphrasing, but it was like some story 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.000 that he was telling about how like when I was 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.440 a child, I was afraid of the dark until I 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.120 realized that, like, the dark is just an absence of photons, 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.360 and there's no reason to be scared of an absence 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.920 of photon, which is just like, I if that's who 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.880 you want to be in your life, It's like, that's 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.240 like the most most boring future. Like it's just the 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:13.200 most like absent of poetry, interpretation of events or something 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:19.280 into like a Carl Sagan quote exactly. This makes me 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.040 feel like I'm watching paint dry. Yeah, it's it's like, oh, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.320 did you know that the universe and the cosmos are 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.840 actually more inert than you previously suspected. Great, it's all 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.080 controllable and you can, you know, probably monetize all of it. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.880 You're the god of space and everything is under your 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.400 control with your giant, stupid brain. Yeah, and your stupid 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.120 rocket that you keep dicking into space. What would be 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.480 like an exciting thing, you know, what would be a 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.960 better thing than a car to launch into space to 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:54.800 get your attention? A boat, a boat. Do you remember 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.880 a while ago there was I wrote about this at Grantland. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.880 I remember that, Um, the chip tune band on a 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.760 mono Gucci put a piece of pizza into orbit with 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:10.040 a camera. Uh, this is like a while ago. It's 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.480 actually kind of mesmerizing footage. It's just like on a 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.800 weather balloon, so it's not really all rocket launch. Um, 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.080 but they still had that kind of curved earth view 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.880 with a pizza pizza with a piece of pizza floating 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:26.520 and the pizza pizza, pizza pizza. Um, that was pretty 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.680 That caught my attention. Um, But Molly, you were you 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.039 You pointed out very accurately that this is like a 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.760 very fifty like the whole image of the car in 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.719 space is very fifties, like eighties fifties. Weird that they're 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.200 simultaneously trying to get us into driverless cars and then 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:48.600 also being like a driverless car in space. The messaging 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.640 is very mixed. It's very mixed. I think there is 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.240 also like there are certain people. There's like a Seinfeld 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.239 episode where George Costanzas like we were promised flying cars, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.960 why don't we have flying cars yet? And I don't 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.440 think I want flying cars that much. That's basically like 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.000 drones that people can ride in. Well, we were also 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.360 just saying as if driving is not kind of hard enough. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.919 I mean, it's already quite dangerous in case you haven't. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.040 So it's like, well, let's take too dangerous things and 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.400 combine them into a fantasy of like road rage in 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.880 the air, like all these drones, Like you know, you're 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.640 dodging drones like their squirrels on the road. I will 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.160 also say that my boyfriend got kicked off Twitter recently 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.560 for an old tweet he had where he said, uh, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.800 I hope Elon Musk gets murdered by a driverless car. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.800 Got him off Twitter curiously. Yeah, wait, and then it 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.680 was an old tweet. Yeah, it was like some some 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:50.000 Elon musk head found muskrat And I was like, wait, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.680 you can't do jokes like that on Twitter, Like that 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:57.320 doesn't even seem harsh to me? Is that weird? Yeah? 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.400 The language thing is so murky, Like I think you 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.960 can't say like I'm going to kill Elon Musk flying 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:08.240 car and automatic flying car. Please don't, please don't edit 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.760 out that thing that I just said. It just says 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.440 um But I think I don't know the saying, I 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:19.560 hope thing I have no like that that other driverless 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.080 car guy did get killed by a driverless car, which 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.359 is why there was like a billionaire who's like was 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.040 all into driverless cars and he like took the first 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.320 ride on a driverless car and he was like watching 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.240 Harry Potter in the backseat and got like crushed by 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.240 a truck. WHOA. So that is why I am afraid 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.320 of driverless cars? Is that being like, oh, just trust 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:46.120 the technology seems like a very yeah, not something I'm 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.839 gonna do. But it's like a photons, sorry, just the 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:55.560 absence of photons. You guys, don't be scared um out 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.880 of it. Emily, you were talking about the end of 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.760 Greece the this was your immediate Yeah, there's like five 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:09.280 things that this is echoing, and you mentioned um back 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.320 to the future, which obviously like you know, the flying DeLorean. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.960 I feel like the Tesla is basically like the teen's 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.280 answer to the DeLorean, except a Dolorean so much cooler 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.640 than a Tesla. There's a DeLorean that drives around our 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.600 neighborhood kind of like halfway between Molly's and my houses, 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.240 and I've been known to follow the DeLorean. They're so 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.040 they're so great because it's going to the past out 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:39.120 of time. Um, it doesn't need rhads. But uh no, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.920 what was the other thing? Okay, so there's that. There's 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.840 oh yeah, the end of Repo Man where they don't 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.600 go into space, but like there is an alien that's 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.960 like in the car and they just fly over Los 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.520 Angeles in a car. I think it's like, um, it's 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:58.200 a Malibu. It's like an old Malibu and uh and 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.840 that's that's a that's a great iconic ending. And then 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.280 the end of Greece, which I don't know how you 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:05.760 guys forgot. This is like one of the only things 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.640 I remember about Graces that I can picture it, but 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.640 I never thought about it. It's like that they're in 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.480 a car flying way. Yeah, they're like at the fair 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.800 and they're doing the hand drive or whatever everybody's doing it, 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.360 and they get in their car and they drive off 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.920 into the sunset. Except they drive into the sun rather 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.920 the sunset, apparently because they like lift off from Earth 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.880 and everybody back on the ground is waving up at 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.400 them like they're dying or something. It's very memory of 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.960 this at all. I think what I was saying is 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.400 that the movie Greece entirely takes place in like a 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:41.600 sand Juni peri simulation of the fifties and sixties wherever. Yes, 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.800 it would, because everybody's acts really weird in that movie. Yeah, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.480 everybody just looks like like this is what teenagers are like, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.160 this is what thirty five year old dressed as teenagers 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.640 from an old time look like and behave like. Oh 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.040 also that now now if I'm doing word association and 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.280 her ending of things association, then it's also quoted in 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.880 the video for It's also quiet but without a car, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:11.720 um b York just levitates above the ensemble of dancers. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.520 I mean sending York into space would be way cooler 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.240 she came from space already, or just turning her from 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.839 if York go home? I think I think that's the thing. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.120 Is like, it's not even that we're against a car 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.880 in space. It's just like what an uncool car to 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.800 send into space? You know, it's such a branding exercise, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.800 like car would you send into well? I was hoping 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:39.080 you'd ask, um I would send like a beautiful like 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.080 a low rider is what I would like to see 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.880 in space. I think there's actually a comic about low 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.160 riders in space. Really yeah, but that you know, like 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:52.439 a beautiful space age car with fins, like because it 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.320 could go faster into space with the fins because it looks, 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.120 not because it would be a cool image. You know, 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.160 I'm not, I'm not such a fun killer, although obviously 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.319 i'm that'll just remind me from the sun. Then oh yeah, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.719 that was also true. Maybe I think we just all 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.360 have this dream of their being like a car, an 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.959 old timey car in space, and so a Tesla You're like, oh, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.880 what did it do? It gets like good mileage in space? 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.240 I just finding space. Yeah. I think they're just such 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.400 boring looking cars that I don't understand them at all. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.480 They are the Christian gray of cars. By the way, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.000 I saw that movie and it was amazing. Um and 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.640 it was like a long car commercial. There was a 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.400 whole scene that was just about driving a car fast test. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.520 What car would you like to send into space? Well, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.720 I'm glad I would probably send like a Volkswagen saying 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.560 or something. You know, it would have to be like 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.160 the strangest car so that if it did, if aliens 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.480 were watching, they'd be like whoa, Like that's what everyone 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.480 drives on Earth, and then they would imagine us as 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:00.120 being hippies from the sixties. But you know, maybe to 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.880 them that would seem innovative. I don't know. I mean 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.200 I have the w bus. Yeah, like a bus or 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.720 like I mean, honestly, like a Winnebago. You should send 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.800 like an RV into space, and then they would just 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.800 think that that's where we live. So I can totally 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.840 see it with like a satellite dish on its roof 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.360 and exactly we're going to have to send RVs into 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.200 space soon anyway, because we're going to run out of Earth. Yeah, 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.240 I wouldn't send it. I wouldn't send a car, all guys. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.000 I would send public transportation. Oh, a space bus, space 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.720 bus or space train or space bullet train, space subway, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.200 sell express already looks like it came from space. Just 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.640 send it right back like streamlined. Like what about like 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.480 an old timey bicycle in space, one of those ones 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:50.040 with the big wheel of velocipede space velocipede um. I 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.360 also saw. The best meme I saw about this was like, hey, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.040 you know what's cooler than a car in space is 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:04.960 recognizing your workers attempts to unionize yeah, so funny that um. Also, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.400 there was a I think I sent you guys. There 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.000 was an article in maybe cholap Nick about a man, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.640 a rich guy, who was boasting on Instagram. He was like, 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.280 I'm going to paint my Aston Martin with moon dust, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.320 actual moon dust. I've got a piece of moon rock. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.360 They're making it into dust. They're going to paint the car, 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:28.520 and yeah, exactly. So I guess the writer of this 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:32.520 article was like, I am going to investigate because it's illegal, 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.760 Like the all of the moon rocks are accounted for, 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.040 I guess, and an ounce of moon rock is a 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.800 million and a half dollars, and he would need at 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.560 least three ounces of moon rock to make enough dust 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.240 to cover his car. Maybe he meant moon rocks like 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.640 the weed is they're a type of weed that's like 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.920 pure THHC. That's called moon rocks. I wouldn't know, but 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.560 yes there is. But I think it's actually just like 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.600 resin from any kind of weed that like, you know, 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.040 a little hash crystals or something. If you paint your 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.839 car with hash crystals, you're probably gonna feel like you're 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.360 in space. This is what I say. I thought you 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.480 were going to tell me about a different thing that 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.640 I also read about, which was that guy who built 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.040 his own rocket, This guy Mike Hughes. Do you know 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.120 what I'm talking about anyone. There's a guy whose name 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.960 is mad Mike Hughes. That's what he goes by. And 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.240 he keeps doing these publicity stunts where he builds his 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.160 own rockets and he says he's going to launch them. Um, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.640 and some people I follow on Instagram went to the launch, 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.319 which was like in the desert somewhere, and everybody was 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.880 commenting on this guy's Facebook page like you're gonna die. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.960 You're gonna die in this self made rocket and like 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.559 you're an idiot. And he was like whatever, I'm gonna 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:47.079 be in space and you're not, so like check it out. Um. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.200 And the rocket launch was not successful, but but he 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:56.439 didn't die. He is alive still, so he so you 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.600 can try again. How big are these rockets? So they're 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.280 big enough to hold hand? This looked like what I 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.000 remember the the filmmakers of Apollo thirt team referring to 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.559 as a vomit comment. Oh yeah, yeah, like the thing 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.480 well the thing that, yeah, the the method they used 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.360 for getting zero grab and movie and just like the 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.560 first rockets that were just like big enough for their 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.440 tin cans, and they like go up and come back 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:27.120 down hopefully they come back to in them. Don't man 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:31.960 me from Twitter? Um, But yeah, you know, I think 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.840 what bothers me about Elon Musk is like, don't privatize space. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.240 All these billionaires already trying to privatize all the beaches. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.920 Don't you can't have space, Give me space, that's my beach. 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:48.760 Why is it that I'm so much like more into like, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.360 you know, pouring money into a space program. If it's 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.000 actually like a government in space program, then then a 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.920 private one, even though both are maybe not our top priorities, right, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.280 are laying the groundwork for when we all have to 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.240 leave Earth and only the rich people get to like 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.200 in the Martian Chronicles. Also, of course, there's no reason 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.560 We've never been given any reasons to mistrust billionaires who 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.120 want to take things and for themselves and ruin them. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.440 Like yeah, I mean, all these Silicon Valley guys just 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.640 seem like they're such bond villains, you know, like the 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.520 way that they conduct themselves and brand themselves. I'm like, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.280 don't they realize how scary they are coming off, and 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.440 it's like, no, they don't because they have no self awareness, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.320 because they think being like photons absence of photons is 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.560 a relatable Then again, in defense of that, though, I mean, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:39.080 I would hate if if I became a super rich 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.120 and famous person and people were like miming all my thoughts, 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.720 because they wouldn't they just chose. I mean, if you 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:49.880 just aren't pulling things that wasn't my best. Also, if 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.200 there was like a crazy lady, we'd maybe be more 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.360 into it. It was like, if there was like a 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.960 lady Barbara Corkoran, We're like, I'm gonna go, you know, 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.920 with all of my Shark Tank entrepreneurs and colonized space. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.280 I'd be like, maybe, Barbara, maybe I'm fine with all 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.480 the rich people being the first in space as long 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.440 as they go first, you know, yes, you know wink Wick, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:21.800 we know. Uh sorry, s all right, Um, speaking of 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:27.120 millionaires possibly evil? Are what am I talking about? Millionaires? 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:32.360 Speaking of billionaires possibly evil? The evil variety? Um, this 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.560 is a little bit late, but we had a we 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:39.320 had a hot group chat, uh chat about this. Um. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.840 Stemming from the death of the founder of Ikea, whose 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:45.920 name I'm going to find in like two seconds. Oh, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.200 I thought you were going from evil billionaires straight to 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.480 the Olympics. Oh, well, we could do either. Um, let's 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.560 tell me grocery stores first. This is the hot content 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.800 everyone's been waiting for from nightcall for us to talk 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:06.440 about the apocryphal Nazi origins of IKEA. I just found 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:13.360 the best I just found the best factoid. Okay. Uh 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:18.119 so so speaking of billionaires, um, the possibly evil or 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.040 maybe very definitely evil variety. Um, this is a little 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.439 bit late, but we had a discussion about this a 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.639 couple of weeks ago and felt like we needed to 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.560 take it to the pod. Uh uh about starting with 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:38.160 the death of Ingvar Kamprad, the founder of Ikea, one 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.240 of the richest men in the world. Um, he died 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:47.160 at He died at age ninety two. Yeah, he looked 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.440 to be very old and Um. Around his death, people 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.199 brought up the fact that had been reported I think 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.959 a few years prior, um that he had been in 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.959 like a Nazi youth program um as a kid. And 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:07.240 then also I mean had been like vocally supportive of 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.639 Nazi policies all the way up to like two or 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.159 three years before the founding of IKEA. Which was like 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.560 in the forties. Ikea has been around for a really 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:20.080 long time. UM uh yeah, it's sort of wild. Um. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.000 And I did not know about this before this was 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.720 brought up. I missed it the first time around, um, 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.760 and it made me. It made me. Uh. I had 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.320 been spending a lot of time in Ikea that week 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.040 because I was working on a project that required me 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:40.080 to pick up some stuff there, and you know, UM, 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.520 just sort of marvel. And I always like, whether it's 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.280 like Ikea or Disneyland, like really big places where they 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.320 have a they have a kind of um protocol for 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.439 how you go through it, and it's been really you 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.040 can tell it's really been managed down to like every 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.600 single step you take. So I always find that interesting. 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.399 Ike It like how they landed on this particular system. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.320 There's a way to go through Ikea that is that 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.080 makes your life easy, and there's a way to go 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.840 through it that makes your life miserable. And they definitely 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.200 want you to choose the former. Um. But the answer 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.840 to the question being fascism is not a huge surprise, 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:22.320 I guess no, no, not at all. Um. But you know, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:27.600 it's sort of I actually think that I don't have 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.360 a lot of people have like an allergic reaction to Ikea, 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.520 and I find it some what calming, So that makes 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:37.159 me worry about myself. Uh doesn't everybody find fascism calming? 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.320 That's the whole It's what's scary about it. Anybody like 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.919 being told what to do and where to go. Yeah, 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.719 there's also something about, you know, the Ikea experience of 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.840 like you're in and you're gonna you're gonna have to 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.320 eat there, like having the cafeteria with all of the 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.760 reminders of the cafeteria, but then in the cafeteria there's 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.160 like the one thing you get, you know, because I've 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.159 tried a few different things from Ikea, but it's like 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.959 you're really going to get the meatballs with jam on them, 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.200 which seems like such an odd thing to like watch 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.679 a ton of people eating meat with jam in the 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.040 middle of the day in a huge shopping center, But 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.600 you're like, this is the experience I'm supposed to have. 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.160 Stuff like that to actually also does freak me out 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.520 about the idea of space colonies, because like, as soon 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.480 as I get in there, I want out, you know. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.639 I'm like, even if they put everything, I feel the 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.560 same way about like big airports, like casinos. It's like, 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.200 even if they put everything I could possibly need, including 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:34.080 like greenery, inside of an indoor space, it's still I 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:38.159 have to get out, you know. Um. I loved the 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.600 Ikea in l A in burbank Um, and then they 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.679 moved to a larger, giant building and I hate the 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:51.120 new one that they did. They moved across the made 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.480 up street called Ikea Street um, and it's like just 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.240 this giant, scary monolith. But like you have, most Ikeas 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.119 are on I ke O Ways or Ikea Streets or something. 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.560 It's like how Apple is on like one. Infinitely, it's 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.640 just such an enormous thing. They have to build their 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.120 own street for it. Well, I realized that the only 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.600 reason I really liked going to Ikea was because I 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.840 could then like trick people into hanging out at the 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.560 weird dead Burbank mall next to it, and like like 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:20.240 old town burbank Um. Although burbank is weirdly a alt 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:24.000 right hotbed. Yeah really yeah, it's like the center of 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.320 where all right people are in l A. There's like 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.800 some alt right podcasters or something, which again I'm like, oh, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.240 you know that weird kind of fifties quality, you know, 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.960 who likes that. There's a lot of my I have 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.120 friends who live in Burbank who are not all right, 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.520 and they claim that it's getting more progressive, but there 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.400 is a kind of like Mayberry vibe where your nape. 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.959 Like one of my friends who lives in Burbank was 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.439 received a letter that she had been tattled on for 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:56.280 like the fact that her sprinklers partially sprinkled the sidewalk 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:00.080 and not all of the water landed on the greenery, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.399 so she was wasting what But it's like, you know, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.479 she had done zero escaping, Like she's so anxious about 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.800 how you know, not being like, you know, just having 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:14.200 this appearance of being a conscious suburbs suburb everyone's watching 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.159 each other all the time. But there's a lot of 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.520 those in It's also like so defined by the presence 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:25.879 of Disney, I feel yeah, and Disney and Ikea, the 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:29.400 twin pillars of Burbank. Also, I feel like, I mean, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.800 it's it is like because it is um that fifty 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.920 suburb that is in the Los Angeles area, it also 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.679 becomes the fifty suburb of the mind because it is 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:43.880 like it has been uh immortalized in that way, like 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.879 you know, from everything from like Edwards her hands and yeah, 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.960 um and and and so it feels, you know, weirdly 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.560 like if you're going there, if you're attracted to some 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.280 idea of Ikea. It's both what Ikea actually is and 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.000 also what it is on screen. Well, Burbank, Also, how 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.480 is that weird quality of kind of going up It's 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.520 like flat and then it ends in a mountain, so 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:06.359 it kind of looks like you're on a sound stage 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:10.119 and I see it's a backdrop. It's very Truman show. 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.320 It is very Trueman. It is like, well Truman Burbank, 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:18.280