Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And welcome into Talking Cowboys inside the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Rob Phillips hosting for Bill Jones today,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola to my right, Brian brought us across the table.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to some football man. Sounds good. Let's
Speaker 1: talk Cowboys Giants today. Let's get into a matchup. Fine, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's approaching Sunday eight, Ante Stadium Cowboys Giants, the season opener.
Speaker 1: We got the Zeke stuff taken care of, and you
Speaker 1: know he talked yesterday, so we can get into that
Speaker 1: a little bit. But we have an opponent to discuss. Finally.
Speaker 1: I feel like, sure we haven't gotten to a lot
Speaker 1: of on field stuff lately with all the contract stuff,
Speaker 1: so let's jump into that. Um, how are you today, Mick?
Speaker 1: Did you get all the Zeke stuff off your chest
Speaker 1: and Mike shots yesterday? I feel like you did. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, but you know, there's always more
Speaker 1: we take into that contract. You'm looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: those numbers. So Mickey can let us all how like
Speaker 1: the forty two million that's not guaranteed in the last
Speaker 1: three years of the contract. Yeah, So everybody out, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it one last time, saying again everybody's
Speaker 1: bragging about he's got the greatest contract in the world
Speaker 1: and he set the market value not so much. So
Speaker 1: just slow down on that. Only got paid and he's
Speaker 1: happy and the Cowboys are happy. Yeah, it's happy. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be running the ball exactly. They need him to
Speaker 1: do that, and he sounded like it when we talked
Speaker 1: to him. And by the way, we're going to have
Speaker 1: another press conference today at two o'clock. Oh okay, upstairs
Speaker 1: in the room. So there we go. For all those
Speaker 1: people that were trying to come up with some theory
Speaker 1: that oh, Jerry and Seek still not getting along because
Speaker 1: he didn't come back for a press conference. Um, I'd
Speaker 1: love to see Jerry coming back from New York with
Speaker 1: a nose ring for this one, right, Yeah, I'd love
Speaker 1: to see that. He may. That would be awesome. He
Speaker 1: may after all the money right at the stocks change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had had a good day in the stock market
Speaker 1: that way, ringing that bell that would absolutely break the
Speaker 1: internet without questions. Oh Jerry had a nose ring. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you can just get a little clasp and oh sure,
Speaker 1: I think if you look into that yourself, I have Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of like the look, and I don't want
Speaker 1: just one, I gotta have two. Right, Illinois guy, you
Speaker 1: can look tough. Yeah, we're in that ring Mean Street,
Speaker 1: Chicago Heights. That's right. Yeah, Um, okay, so you can
Speaker 1: check out Mickey's fine work on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Bryant,
Speaker 1: you started analyzing the I have'st dive into out a
Speaker 1: little bit um or do you want to get to
Speaker 1: the injuries first? And yeah, let's you go those injuries first. Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Cowboys back to practice day. They're going to practice indoors
Speaker 1: as per usual during the season Thursdays and Fridays. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys happy about that, probably, yes, as Zeke said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's not necessarily bombing and cobo, but
Speaker 1: it was hot out there yesterday for in his first
Speaker 1: practice back. What what'd you see from the injury report
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys and Giants. It was awfully encouraging, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only guy that was listed on there that we
Speaker 1: didn't know was limited was Zach Martin and everybody else
Speaker 1: other than the three guys that we knew were going
Speaker 1: to be out, Um, you know they're out. So those
Speaker 1: are Luke Gifford, Darry and Thompson and Donovan Wilson. Right,
Speaker 1: so those are three inactives right there if you want
Speaker 1: to start that game. Yeah, yeah, that'll be the three
Speaker 1: for tomorrow. And then figure out that they probably might
Speaker 1: have been inactive. Thompson might have Thompson might have played,
Speaker 1: you're right, but the other guys were probably going to
Speaker 1: be inactive anyway. So yeah, I thought it was encouraging
Speaker 1: that all those other guys coming back from surgeries and
Speaker 1: we're missing training camp h you know, primarily Byron Jones
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence, Tyrone Crawford, we're out there and the
Speaker 1: two tight ends were out there who hadn't done much
Speaker 1: in two weeks. So yeah, I thought that from an
Speaker 1: injury standpoint, that was very encouraging. I think a big
Speaker 1: one too, is Maury Cooper out there practice and I
Speaker 1: forgot no, no, and it's easy. It's not. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's easy forgetting, but I'm just saying he's such
Speaker 1: a quiet guy. He kind of goes about his job.
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a key for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys this weekend playing this game, is can they
Speaker 1: take advantage of the rookie Baker on one side and
Speaker 1: then Jenkins on the other. You know, we have a
Speaker 1: gambler and a rookie, so you know, on the past
Speaker 1: protection I believe will hold up, you know, Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: It's funny guys with all these you know they're talking
Speaker 1: about oh well, you know, and you know, Coach made
Speaker 1: mention him today. He's like, well, we're not to the
Speaker 1: pitch count point. But I think in their mind they
Speaker 1: have an idea of how much they want to play Zeke,
Speaker 1: how much they want to play Lawrence. But the one
Speaker 1: guy we talked about, it was kind of on the
Speaker 1: injury report was Zach Martin. He's the one guy that
Speaker 1: will probably play the majority of the snaps and so
Speaker 1: no pitch count for him. He's going to go out
Speaker 1: there and play. So everyone else is kind of in
Speaker 1: that mode where they're gonna you know, so they're obviously
Speaker 1: gonna rest him a little bit in practice if they
Speaker 1: can to get him through that game, sue Afilo being
Speaker 1: the backup right there, to do that, to give him
Speaker 1: that little bit of rest this week and then let
Speaker 1: him go if he can full go on Sunday, which
Speaker 1: they need him in there on that inside. And I
Speaker 1: guess it's a little different on the offensive line, right,
Speaker 1: you can't. It's harder to just rotate guys in and
Speaker 1: out and get and give Zach a break within the
Speaker 1: course of the game. Right. If you get ahead, you
Speaker 1: get ahead. That's the thing. If you can find a
Speaker 1: way to build a lead in this game, and then
Speaker 1: you can kind of say, okay, we're going to manage
Speaker 1: if you can get in that fourth quarter. But what
Speaker 1: do we know about the Cowboys thirteen to sixteen games,
Speaker 1: it's seven points or less. They play a lot of tight,
Speaker 1: tough games. You know, they occasionally had that one game
Speaker 1: where they blow somebody out. Jacksonville was a great example
Speaker 1: of that. That they get on a role the defense
Speaker 1: is not very good for the opponent. And this very
Speaker 1: well could happen tomorrow for Sunday for the Cowboys. They
Speaker 1: could get on a roll. The Giants could not. We'll
Speaker 1: have trouble maybe with a pass rush and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they get War down. And even though this
Speaker 1: game is indoors, it still can be with the weather
Speaker 1: outside it could still affect how things are inside that stadium.
Speaker 1: I've seen it done before that way. Man, It's not
Speaker 1: the hundred degree heat, but you do feel that the
Speaker 1: air or the way it is. So the Cowboys need
Speaker 1: to kind of take advantage of that. If they can
Speaker 1: wear these guys down. Yeah, they need to buy a
Speaker 1: dehumidifier for the stadium because humidity still seems still in there.
Speaker 1: It sure does. And you know, and if you get it,
Speaker 1: if you get a defense that gets war down and
Speaker 1: Dallas can wear you down, Dallas can. I have a
Speaker 1: feeling that what we're gonna see from Kelvin Moore is
Speaker 1: he is going to make the Giants defend the complete field.
Speaker 1: He's going to play this game vertically. He's going to
Speaker 1: play it horizontally, And I think that's what if you're
Speaker 1: a Cowboy fan, you have to be excited about the
Speaker 1: possible ability of him with the ball going to the edges,
Speaker 1: running maybe a little bit inside, but the pass is
Speaker 1: going down the field, passes going inside, passes going wide
Speaker 1: to guys quick screens to Cobb and guys like that
Speaker 1: that they can kind of start. He's gonna make these
Speaker 1: giants run the entire field, the entire game, to have
Speaker 1: to defend his offense seeing the other and it won't
Speaker 1: be just Zeke on a pitch count. No, Byron mentioned
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence and also Tyrone Crawford. Those guys are going
Speaker 1: to be on a pitch count, right. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: send those guys out there to play forty or fifty plays.
Speaker 1: So that means guys like Dorin's, Armstrong carry Hyder depending
Speaker 1: on whose active Taco, those guys got to be ready
Speaker 1: to go. I think yeah, and they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: lean on him. Yeah, I think that's Mickey's got a
Speaker 1: great point there. You know, maybe we get to these
Speaker 1: inactives and it might be Taco might be in inactive.
Speaker 1: They really do like Hyder a lot, They really do
Speaker 1: like Armstrong. Probably they might go a little long at
Speaker 1: that spot. Maybe you dress four tackles five ends to
Speaker 1: get nine to the game in order to try and
Speaker 1: for the rotation that you're going to have to make
Speaker 1: up for because you've got two defensive ends that are
Speaker 1: that are coming off, Like Mickey said, limited practice time
Speaker 1: during training camp or no practice time during training camp.
Speaker 1: They've been practicing out there. They did that everything they
Speaker 1: needed to do yesterday, which is good. That's that's encouraging.
Speaker 1: But game shape and practice shape are two totally different things.
Speaker 1: See and the thing they have going for him there
Speaker 1: is Hyder can go inside and give you some pass rush.
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford can go inside and give you some pass rush.
Speaker 1: So maybe you have one lass I don't know, one
Speaker 1: less defensive tackle in there if you want to keep
Speaker 1: more defensive ends. See. The thing about it too, is
Speaker 1: that we've seen with I know Rob, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: to something here, but I just want to point out
Speaker 1: good if we if we get to the point, it
Speaker 1: could come down to if what you think about those
Speaker 1: Mickey Mickey said, the defensive tackles. What if you have
Speaker 1: a guy like Joe Jackson who can play that We've
Speaker 1: seen I've seen him play both as an end on
Speaker 1: both sides and then also play some under tackle. That
Speaker 1: might be a guy. I mean, we've talked about Tristan Hill.
Speaker 1: He just plays as that under tackle. Some different rotation
Speaker 1: combinations that we might have with I think that's going
Speaker 1: to be the hardest thing for them to have to
Speaker 1: come to grips with of who to play in what
Speaker 1: combination to use. All the other positions I think take
Speaker 1: care of itself. The one that's interesting to me also
Speaker 1: is the cornerback spot because Byron Jones. If Byron Jones
Speaker 1: doesn't start this game, that I think they've covered themselves
Speaker 1: with the guys that they have. But you know, Byron
Speaker 1: Jones could be a guy they use off the bench.
Speaker 1: He could be a guy that could play in the
Speaker 1: nickel or a dime if they have to go the route.
Speaker 1: But you know, but they've done such a great nice job.
Speaker 1: Brown has played very well, a Woozier's played very well,
Speaker 1: and Lewis has played very well. So you're really not
Speaker 1: pressed at that cornerback spot like you are maybe at
Speaker 1: the defensive end or the defensive tackle spot. We have
Speaker 1: to play some guys because out of a little bit
Speaker 1: of an as city there and maybe for you know,
Speaker 1: this game with that tight end ingram right, you know Jones,
Speaker 1: we've seen him go inside and exact tight end exactly
Speaker 1: when you go nickel or if it's dime, you say Okay,
Speaker 1: you got treated like a wide receiver. Absolutely, yep. I
Speaker 1: don't see Sterling Shepherd on this injury. I thought that
Speaker 1: was for the genest broken hand thumb fracture thumb, So yeah,
Speaker 1: must have taped it up, spit on it, and let's
Speaker 1: go game week. Let's go with no O b J.
Speaker 1: He's their guy right in the past. Yeah, along with
Speaker 1: along with Ingram who's versatile. Yeah, Ingram's Shepherd and you
Speaker 1: know Cody Lattimore who they got you know, was with
Speaker 1: Denver at one time, you know, was really a bust
Speaker 1: with them as a first round pick. You know, uh
Speaker 1: Darius Slaton as a kid that they got from Auburn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's doesn't have the dynamicness to their offense at receiver
Speaker 1: that they once had. Good players. They're may be playing
Speaker 1: a little bit by committee what Dallas tried to do
Speaker 1: last year. So let's see how that goes for them
Speaker 1: long term. They do have two they have they have
Speaker 1: a rare player in that running back though, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you could tell in the walk off today
Speaker 1: with Jason Garrett, you know the the challenges that that
Speaker 1: the defense and I asked them the question in the
Speaker 1: walkoff about do you worry about deef Okay? Just generally,
Speaker 1: we watched these games, you see poor tackling initially because
Speaker 1: starters don't play a lot of the preseason games and
Speaker 1: you don't do a lot of tackling other than practice
Speaker 1: tackling in training camp. Right, So does tackling have to
Speaker 1: be a concern going into this really for both teams?
Speaker 1: I think for every teams. I think we saw it
Speaker 1: in college football the games that we watched last week,
Speaker 1: there was some poor tackling, big plays, And that's the
Speaker 1: problem you run into when you deal with a guy
Speaker 1: like Barkley minds me very much of a guy like
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. And you guys all know what Barry Sanders was.
Speaker 1: Garrett described him perfect one yard, two yards, four yards,
Speaker 1: five yards, one yard, two yards, eighty seven yards. That's
Speaker 1: that's what you get when you play against these elite
Speaker 1: backs that all of a sudden, you're they're banging their head,
Speaker 1: banging their head, banging their head, and then they all
Speaker 1: of a sudden a mistackle, another mistackle, a third mistackle,
Speaker 1: and now you're in a situation where it's an eighty
Speaker 1: seven yard touchdown. He challenges the ability of your defense
Speaker 1: to tackle at all three levels, all angles, all those problems. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one thing, you know, and it was a small sample
Speaker 1: size in preseason, but the Cowboys secondary did seem to
Speaker 1: tackle well better. Yeah, yeah, that was what was impressive.
Speaker 1: I know, doing the games with Brad on the radio
Speaker 1: that every at the half, I would Brad say what
Speaker 1: impressed you, and I'd say the way that the Woozier tackled,
Speaker 1: the way that Lewis tackled, the way that Brown tackled,
Speaker 1: and so. But you also got these linebackers too. That's
Speaker 1: the strength of this football team, the ability for those
Speaker 1: guys to rally to the football, get bodies there, bring
Speaker 1: this guy to the ground. That's gonna be really really
Speaker 1: important that they get. They play gap, integrity, defense, set
Speaker 1: the edges, be physical, but get that guy on the ground.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll continue breaking down this matchup. We'll talk a little Zeke.
Speaker 1: We'll maybe take your questions off a periscope if you've
Speaker 1: got a phone call as well. Taking calls today, Kayden, Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: as we're talking Cowboys Giants, which you got? I had
Speaker 1: a question since we were watching the Bears and Packers
Speaker 1: getting ready for tonight's game. So I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: I'm missing. But the Packers were less than enthusiastic last year.
Speaker 1: They weren't very good, So why is everybody looking for
Speaker 1: them to be the What have they done to make
Speaker 1: this the turnaround team? Because Aaron Rodgers, Yeah, that to
Speaker 1: me that he's simple. He's to me, he's the one
Speaker 1: guy that if I was picking first, I think i'd
Speaker 1: pick him first. I know it sounds crazy because you
Speaker 1: talk about Brady and all that, and but I think
Speaker 1: that because I've seen him for so many years play
Speaker 1: with He's had really good talented times, he's had really
Speaker 1: bad talented times, but they're always a threat because of him.
Speaker 1: But wasn't he there last year? Or am I missing it?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it two years ago? He was hurt, He was
Speaker 1: hurt a couple of years ago. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I don't think They've put a lot enough around him
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. It last year put the
Speaker 1: team on his bell. He go, why is it back
Speaker 1: to chip on his shoulder? Mike, It's just but then
Speaker 1: he hurt his knee in the in the Bears game
Speaker 1: last year at this time, and then he came back
Speaker 1: and everybody, I mean I remember we were in a
Speaker 1: game or we were doing a game, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Rogers is laying on the field, you know,
Speaker 1: one of those things. I just I just kind of
Speaker 1: feel like, though, did he's the one guy in this
Speaker 1: league that you would pick to say, Okay, he could
Speaker 1: beat you with his guys, and then he could take
Speaker 1: your guys and beat you with your guys. You know
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. It's the old saying that they
Speaker 1: used to talk about coaches and stuff. But he's just
Speaker 1: that he's got that unique ability. And I understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Mickey. And again, I mean, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that they added somebody that like turned this whole thing
Speaker 1: around from last year. I was, no, they've actually lost
Speaker 1: some guys year enough. I miss Clay Matthews has moved
Speaker 1: on to the Rams. I mean, they've lost some guys.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think changing coaches, changing coaches, you know,
Speaker 1: some new ideas. It comes down to number twelve. Right,
Speaker 1: I've said this on the show before. Tiger Woods is
Speaker 1: not going to end up probably with the same the
Speaker 1: major title. Right, But if you just knew the eye test,
Speaker 1: he's the best you've ever seen. That's how I feel
Speaker 1: about Rogers, honestly, like I think he's he doesn't have weaknesses.
Speaker 1: The only his problem has been he's gotten hurt. That's
Speaker 1: that's really the only drawback for him. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: maybe I forgot last year because I knew he was
Speaker 1: hurt in twenty seventeen when they had to play the
Speaker 1: test quarterback. Yeah, but I saw all these people picking
Speaker 1: them to go to Chicago and win, and I'm going,
Speaker 1: how come. Yeah, the Beardown Bears, you got to watch them.
Speaker 1: The bear Down Bears are got man. That defense is
Speaker 1: for real. We've seen games. I mean the Rams went
Speaker 1: there late in the year and just got destroyed. Not
Speaker 1: on the scoreboard, but man, I remember watching that tape.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, this is how you beat the Rams.
Speaker 1: And then it was cold and get after them. And
Speaker 1: but that's that's like old school Bears, old school Bears,
Speaker 1: but they kind of reminded me of the Cowboys a
Speaker 1: little bit. They got a nasty looking defense, and they
Speaker 1: got a young quarterback that you think will continue to ascend. Ye,
Speaker 1: So they're a team to watch in the NFCA. This
Speaker 1: should be fun. Get this thing rolling, you know what,
Speaker 1: you'll know a lot about this Dallas sat, this Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboy team as we go along. By the by the
Speaker 1: end of it, it's you know, either gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about it bends a team. It's can make a great
Speaker 1: run because they're gonna play all the best teams in
Speaker 1: the NFC. You know you're gonna play the Saints, the Packers,
Speaker 1: the Bears, You're gonna play the Rams. You know you're
Speaker 1: gonna play them all. And so you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: good test. And then you're gonna have to go to
Speaker 1: Foxborough to play a game too. And now we've passed
Speaker 1: that test. So by the end of this campaign, you
Speaker 1: will know exactly what this football team is if it
Speaker 1: does have a chance to do well in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: or if it's going to be a team that could
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs but probably won't have the success
Speaker 1: because they couldn't get over the hump of beaten some
Speaker 1: of those teams that they needed to be. I think
Speaker 1: I saw where the schedule here is ranked like midpack,
Speaker 1: like fourteenth or fifteenth. I think that's right. Seems harder
Speaker 1: than that on paper. Oh, I don't want to have
Speaker 1: to go play the Bears in December. I don't want
Speaker 1: to have to play bring the Rams here. You never
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen injury wise, you really don't.
Speaker 1: You don't know what the shape of these teams are
Speaker 1: gonna be. But if you just say it on paper, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Giants, I would much rather play Detroit
Speaker 1: in Arizona than I would have to play the Saints
Speaker 1: and the Rams. You know, I just that's just me
Speaker 1: right now. Those are two games. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like that, if you had the opportunity, you would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll switch out those games. They get to play Detroit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they get to play Detroit because of the division
Speaker 1: division that they Yeah, because they faced everybody else in
Speaker 1: the division has to play them. Yeah, gotta play Chicago.
Speaker 1: Got to play Minnesota, right, Yeah. Minnesota is another one
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about, you know, so you go
Speaker 1: through down, through the schedule. Health is going to be
Speaker 1: a big part of it. The growth of this defense.
Speaker 1: I think this defense is ready to do some great things.
Speaker 1: I really do. I feel like that that. You know,
Speaker 1: we saw saw the ability to create turnovers. You know,
Speaker 1: even I can practice they were creating turnovers. And then
Speaker 1: they getting those preseason games and yeah, they were going
Speaker 1: after the ball. It was kind of gravitating towards guys.
Speaker 1: They were getting tipped passes, they were knocking balls down
Speaker 1: on the outside. You know, a lot of good positive
Speaker 1: things about this defense. You know, it could be one
Speaker 1: of those defenses that does really well as a scoring defense.
Speaker 1: Then you get your offense role and you know, with
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, that's really kind of the great unknown right now.
Speaker 1: But I think Kellen Moore's understanding that he has to
Speaker 1: find ways to get the ball into the playmaker's hands
Speaker 1: that he has and I think he will do that.
Speaker 1: All right. Uh, let's continue talking this matchup a little
Speaker 1: bit Cowboys Giants. It feels like we've been talking about
Speaker 1: Eli for twenty years and it's getting on to that.
Speaker 1: It's getting close to it for him. You know, you
Speaker 1: can say he's declined the last few years. But it's true.
Speaker 1: But it's also been the protection up front. They made
Speaker 1: a cover very poor made. Yeah, made a couple moves
Speaker 1: in the off season to try to fortify that. Do
Speaker 1: you think that's the case or do you think this
Speaker 1: is a matchup the Cowboys can continue to take advantage of. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that there's things that they can't. I think
Speaker 1: this is one of those offensive lines when you watch
Speaker 1: them play, it's kind of a big and box the
Speaker 1: offensive line, with the exception really of Nate Solder, who's
Speaker 1: more of an athlete, more of a linear built and
Speaker 1: I mean linear, I mean up and down kind of guy,
Speaker 1: Finnish guy. But they've got some power inside with Hernandez
Speaker 1: and Zeitler, you know and those guys. Rumors that's right tackle.
Speaker 1: That will be a good matchup to see with Lawrence
Speaker 1: and how you know it. Can Lawrence take advantage him?
Speaker 1: This is a Rumors is a big guy. He was
Speaker 1: with he was with the Dave him in Carolina. He's
Speaker 1: been a star. He's of sixteen game starter the last
Speaker 1: couple of years Carolina Minnesota. He's a guy that if
Speaker 1: you rush him down the middle, he's going to have success.
Speaker 1: You need to try and work the edges on him.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that we're gonna see with Lawrence. Lawrence
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why he's one of the
Speaker 1: highest paid defensive ends is because he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of tools in the tool belt. I think he's he's
Speaker 1: gonna try and take advantage of rumors a little bit,
Speaker 1: work him in, work him out, swims, rips, dips, all
Speaker 1: those things, try and make them have to move. I
Speaker 1: think Eli Manning understands what's happening in front of him too.
Speaker 1: I think he's saying, Okay, well, I've got to get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball a little quicker. Can the secondary
Speaker 1: hold up? You know, they don't have that, they don't
Speaker 1: have that Odell Beckham anymore. That's a that's a problem
Speaker 1: for them because Manning was just going to throw the
Speaker 1: ball to Beckham. Where he's gonna throw the ball to
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, you know, get out. If you could get
Speaker 1: him to hold the ball a little bit, that's where
Speaker 1: the rush kind of creates problems for him. Push the
Speaker 1: middle of the pocket, like we talk about, squeeze the
Speaker 1: edges and see if you can affect him that way.
Speaker 1: Eye level, bring that eye level for Eli Manning down,
Speaker 1: hit him in the pocket, ball tends to come loose
Speaker 1: because he'll turn that ball over for you. Who's the
Speaker 1: fastest past rushers? The Cowboys have fastest, like quickest first steps.
Speaker 1: Guy that can just run right by you. I would
Speaker 1: say the guy that has the most explosive move to
Speaker 1: start would be would be Lawrence. And then and then
Speaker 1: I think then Armstrong got a first step. Man with
Speaker 1: Armstrong without I mean without Robert Quinn being here, right yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so the first you get to put him over on
Speaker 1: the right side. Yeah, because soldier isn't that good? No,
Speaker 1: here's here. I heard you on the fan this morning.
Speaker 1: You're not buying the retool general. He's that Why did they?
Speaker 1: Why did New England get rid of him? He was?
Speaker 1: He was he was the weak link New England. It's
Speaker 1: funny New England would get rid of guys. But he
Speaker 1: wasn't that good there? Yeah, did you think he was good?
Speaker 1: I think that to me, he was a lot better
Speaker 1: than I thought he'd coming out of Colorado. I thought
Speaker 1: he was you know him? And then this David Baktari
Speaker 1: were two guys at of Colorado that kind of looked
Speaker 1: the same to me. They're both really light, weak players
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, David Baktiari has had
Speaker 1: a nice career with the Packers. But you're right, Micky,
Speaker 1: Nate Solder does have problems. He does have problems with power.
Speaker 1: That's a big thing though, and that's I think that's
Speaker 1: a good thing. When you look at rushing with Crawford
Speaker 1: to that side, Crawford tends to play with a little
Speaker 1: bit more power, a little bit more drive. Crawford will
Speaker 1: win the edge and then push the tackle back into
Speaker 1: the pocket. We saw him do that last year in
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia game. Nice stripped sack, you know with Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: Because if he will, he will do everything he can
Speaker 1: to win on the edge. If Nate Solder can't hold
Speaker 1: up on that edge, will Crawford will take advantage that him.
Speaker 1: Armstrong guys like that, we'll farewell over that. How to
Speaker 1: put a shark guy, there's duck under the six nine guy.
Speaker 1: That's an idea. Carrie Hyder, there you go. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call him short. You know what. Kerry Hyder made this
Speaker 1: football team because his ability to rush the passer and
Speaker 1: he came, he came. You talk about some first step quickness.
Speaker 1: Now carry hyder playing as that as playing as an undertackle.
Speaker 1: And this thing would not be a bad thing for
Speaker 1: me either, because he can find a way to win.
Speaker 1: Canny Kenny win, you know against will Her Nannies. Will
Speaker 1: Her Nannies is a big, boxy guy that tends to
Speaker 1: get a little top heavy. But so try and win
Speaker 1: right there off the snap, and you know, and affect
Speaker 1: the way that Manny looks at the front of that
Speaker 1: pocket six two against six nine, he might be able
Speaker 1: to sneak right underneath him. That is a big difference.
Speaker 1: You're right about that? Uh, the guy that chugs beer
Speaker 1: like no other No, yes, yeah, the Milwaukee Bucks game.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's he's clearly there's there's some line that
Speaker 1: can can slam some bi packer. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Exactly right, that's right, All right. Let's let's grab a
Speaker 1: phone call before we go to break. Our good friend
Speaker 1: Nebby is on the line. What's up? Neb on on talking?
Speaker 1: If you all think Amari Cooper is gonna be h
Speaker 1: on a pitch count or at or at all limited
Speaker 1: considering the fact that he's coming off a heel uh injury.
Speaker 1: I take care, thankful being patient with me, and have
Speaker 1: a great week by thanks hard from you now, Thanks Bud.
Speaker 1: Good question. Yeah, you know what I think that the
Speaker 1: rotation will be. I think they'll want to get Cooper
Speaker 1: out there as much as they can, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think they'll be very mindful of the down and
Speaker 1: distant situations and things like that. If they get on
Speaker 1: a role where they're where they're hitting pass play after
Speaker 1: pass play, running the ball, and they're moving the chains
Speaker 1: being effective, they could do a little bit more with him.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna play him as much as I can
Speaker 1: because I think he could take advantage of both these
Speaker 1: corners with his route running. I mean, it talked to
Speaker 1: some people that were watching practice yesterday that was like,
Speaker 1: how was his ability to plant and explode? And these
Speaker 1: guys were like, he did not look like he had
Speaker 1: sat out at all, and he's been out of like
Speaker 1: a month, and he's been out a month. You're absolutely
Speaker 1: right about that. So the only thing I think slowing
Speaker 1: him down will be conditioning, because you know, these receivers
Speaker 1: run whether they get the ball or not, they're running
Speaker 1: right out. So every time he's running and even if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get the ball, that's him running. So I
Speaker 1: think conditioning would be the only thing that holds him
Speaker 1: back right now. And to your point, you've been saying, look,
Speaker 1: it's not plantar fasciitis, and he confirmed that, I think
Speaker 1: the other day in the locker room and he was
Speaker 1: talking to us. Finally he said, this is not as
Speaker 1: bad as something I've had in Oakland and he said
Speaker 1: he played through the plantar fasciitis and played well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think he's good to go now. Again,
Speaker 1: Brian's right, you know, what's the conditioning. You haven't been
Speaker 1: doing this. You know, play in and play out and
Speaker 1: during during training camp, right and they've got ways to
Speaker 1: go to two wide and you know, bring in Tavon Austin,
Speaker 1: bring in Devon Smith and you know, go to tight
Speaker 1: ends sometime and a fullback and kind of change it up.
Speaker 1: But I think he's ready to go. I do too.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the pitch count thing, like Nebbie
Speaker 1: was asking about. I think you have to be mindful
Speaker 1: of him. I think the other ones are more like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is I think Zeke is the most important one
Speaker 1: here because just be a long campaign for him. You
Speaker 1: have to be mind full of his situation. Jason. By
Speaker 1: the way, Garrett said, he thought he looked good in
Speaker 1: practiced yesterday. But you know, it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: I guess you got to continue to see how he
Speaker 1: responds to the week. Well that and you also got
Speaker 1: to remember you can't wear him out in three days
Speaker 1: and then expecting to play on Sunday. I heard somebody's
Speaker 1: he got to do extra work. Well, no, because you
Speaker 1: want to make sure whatever he's got in his legs,
Speaker 1: he expends it on Sunday, not on Friday or not
Speaker 1: on Thursday. So you got to trust that he actually
Speaker 1: did his conditioning work. And if his conditioning work and
Speaker 1: his legs are good, then the only thing is going
Speaker 1: to hold him back is I saw on my phone
Speaker 1: today we had a four day air quality alert. Don't
Speaker 1: open that roof by the way, Yeah, I was trying
Speaker 1: to get it open the roof. Oh, I wanted to
Speaker 1: affect the giants this morning. The air quality it's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be good, So watch how much you're breathing
Speaker 1: out there. I brought up the point I go, if
Speaker 1: I'm Jerry, I open this roof, and I'm thinking, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're got to wear out your own teeth and he
Speaker 1: goes and shun goes. Why would you do that? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to wear the Giants out. And then I
Speaker 1: was thinking about maybe I'm gonna wear my own team
Speaker 1: out too doing that. But yeah, I think you know
Speaker 1: that we're this. This humidity gets in that building, whether
Speaker 1: it's eric condition or not. And I think I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can affect the way that the Giants play
Speaker 1: by how they play with their pace, you know, if
Speaker 1: they get if they if we're seeing them stay ahead
Speaker 1: of the chains, if they're getting them in a lot
Speaker 1: of third down situations on defense. You know, on paper
Speaker 1: they say this. I'm not saying take the Giants lightly,
Speaker 1: because I'm surely not, because I think they got some
Speaker 1: talented players. But if you look player for player, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys should win this football game. They should. They have
Speaker 1: enough players, dude. Now there's gonna be some matchups down
Speaker 1: the road where that's gonna be a lot closer, you know,
Speaker 1: and then what we think, But I think this is
Speaker 1: one of those games there, you know, play their game,
Speaker 1: play mistake free. It's all the cliches you want to say,
Speaker 1: but for an opening game, those are the things you
Speaker 1: have to deal with the penalties, the turnovers, poor tackling.
Speaker 1: Can't have those things in that first game. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me tell you about turnovers in the first game of
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Speaker 1: It ought to be a more friendly crowded and what
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Speaker 1: they made that Mary Cooper trade, that was a rough,
Speaker 1: rough crowd. But it's good to see everybody out. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: come on out. Rob what you could talk to Mickey? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always talk to Mickey. Mickey's good. He'll take pictures
Speaker 1: with you. Hey, what's the you know your your biggest
Speaker 1: concern and your hostess show today? Is there a concern
Speaker 1: that you have going into this this game? Is there something?
Speaker 1: I mean, the giants are what they are that you know,
Speaker 1: the cow we we're trying to learn. I mean we
Speaker 1: have an idea. We've been watching this team for thirty
Speaker 1: some odd practices, four preseason games. Is there anything that
Speaker 1: you you're thinking, like, man, I just can't wrap my
Speaker 1: hands around this one right now overall or just for
Speaker 1: this matchup, just for this matchup, just this matchup I
Speaker 1: think you talked about. I mean, Barkley is the one
Speaker 1: guy that you look at this matchup and say he
Speaker 1: is a he is a problem. They've both running receiving.
Speaker 1: They've just got to find a way to contain him.
Speaker 1: And But based on what I've seen from this team
Speaker 1: through thirty days of training camp in preseason games, they've
Speaker 1: been solid at all levels. Like I, defens just look good. Though, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the starters and you can't you can't say, okay,
Speaker 1: well the Rams didn't play and then the forty I
Speaker 1: don't care. When they've had to do their job. They've
Speaker 1: had to do their job. Those guys have stepped up.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of three and outs. I've seen punts,
Speaker 1: I've seen turnovers. I've seen a lot of things from
Speaker 1: this defense that I like, you know, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: good about. They do have weapons, They've got Ingraham, they've
Speaker 1: got Shepherd. If there's one thing for me, I know,
Speaker 1: I've talked about the Kicker situation. Uh, you want to
Speaker 1: see Brett maher continue to continue the consistency we saw
Speaker 1: down the stretch of camp, right, we were going after
Speaker 1: him a little bit and he started kicking the ball.
Speaker 1: Well he did, he did, um, you know, made a
Speaker 1: trump that I got one more. And it really is
Speaker 1: the guys coming off of either an absence or injury,
Speaker 1: are they are they going to come back and get
Speaker 1: back into the standard that they're used to play at.
Speaker 1: I think I think d Laws ready, but we you know,
Speaker 1: he haven't seen him for you know, several months until
Speaker 1: he got back into practice. Recently. We talked about Byron
Speaker 1: talked about Zeke being gone for forty days, right, So
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask Micky, what do you feel good about?
Speaker 1: I feel good about everything? Okay. I got asked the
Speaker 1: question on a season preview show, you know, offense defense,
Speaker 1: and I said both, yeah, because I think they're strong
Speaker 1: on both sides. I agree with that. And I think
Speaker 1: people are finally kind of getting on board with this
Speaker 1: because I think when they started training camp it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, right, and I think everybody was remembering getting
Speaker 1: beat against the Rams in the playoff game. They forgot
Speaker 1: that they went seven and one down the stretch last year.
Speaker 1: That's that's no mistake. That doesn't just happen. They were
Speaker 1: dominant except for one game when they got shut out
Speaker 1: by the Colts. Yeah, that shut out cold pretty good teams.
Speaker 1: So to me there and here's the thing. So I
Speaker 1: was going to say about the kicking thing, eliminate that,
Speaker 1: score touchdowns. Well, then I want to see them when
Speaker 1: they get inside. Even when they were brought up yesterday yesterday,
Speaker 1: in five of the eight games the second half of
Speaker 1: the season, when they scored twenty seven or more points,
Speaker 1: they still were having trouble inside the ten yard line.
Speaker 1: So I want to see if that's solved. You know,
Speaker 1: red zone, Fine, that's twenty in they had their biggest
Speaker 1: problems inside the ten yard line. So I want to
Speaker 1: see what they can do score and touchdowns. And if
Speaker 1: you remember when when when Kellen Moore was asked the
Speaker 1: question about how do you solve that? He goes, we
Speaker 1: got to run the ball better, right, So let me
Speaker 1: see you when you get to the seven yard line,
Speaker 1: can you bust it in there and score touchdown? Joe Looney,
Speaker 1: Olda Wally, whoever else you have to use, Zeke, I'm
Speaker 1: interested in. I'm Jason Witton how about that. I think
Speaker 1: Jason Witten is going to be a big red zone
Speaker 1: help this year. I set it a bunch eighteen yards
Speaker 1: in keep an eye on Jason Witton and what he
Speaker 1: can do and help you in this situation. Even if
Speaker 1: they run the even that they're running the ball, but
Speaker 1: they go play action and they have it's Witton always
Speaker 1: finds a way to get open and he's just an
Speaker 1: easy target to throw the ball to down there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you guys have got this thing right, this
Speaker 1: whole thing with the you know, it's it's easy to
Speaker 1: nitpick on the kicking thing, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't want to lose a game
Speaker 1: or have come away with no points because you're missing
Speaker 1: a thirty eight yard field goal. Yeah, I understand the
Speaker 1: fifty three yard field goal, that's a gamble. But the
Speaker 1: thirty eight yard field goal, the thirty seven yard field goal,
Speaker 1: the thirty two yard field goal, you can't miss though.
Speaker 1: That That to me, he's just like giving him a
Speaker 1: turnover right there. Absolutely. Plus it's you know, it's weird
Speaker 1: you drove all that way and you didn't score a touchdown, right,
Speaker 1: But if if you miss a field goal and deflate you. Right,
Speaker 1: not scoring the touchdown doesn't deflate you as much as
Speaker 1: oh god, yeah, we just gave away three points. Oh
Speaker 1: you gave away four other points because you didn't score
Speaker 1: the touch They have maintained they have a lot of
Speaker 1: confidence in him and he has a ton of talent.
Speaker 1: I mean, you see the leg um Stephen Jones said
Speaker 1: last week. They're not concerned at all about him. So
Speaker 1: can I flip this around there? What about Chris Jones?
Speaker 1: We we haven't last year. We didn't see the punts,
Speaker 1: the downed punts or the you know, we didn't see
Speaker 1: that from him. Is that is he? Is he part
Speaker 1: of this concern? Or is he? Oh, it's Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: He's a captain, he's you know, he's gonna average forty
Speaker 1: five point seven a punt? Are we are we looking
Speaker 1: for it? Was it a bounce back here? Or am
Speaker 1: I saying? Has he been so good that even having
Speaker 1: an average year look bad so long as he can
Speaker 1: still directionally kick and eliminate returns. That's because this team
Speaker 1: did not go down and cover punch, well, not at all.
Speaker 1: So if you're trying to hit boomers and giving them
Speaker 1: a chance to return. I worry about that because they're
Speaker 1: gunners for some reason. Don't get down there and do much.
Speaker 1: So to me, if he if he averages forty yards
Speaker 1: a kick, but he pins them on the sideline, whether
Speaker 1: they can't return the punt, then I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming on their deal here Peppers or Lattimore
Speaker 1: or Slayton are going to return, right, So just don't
Speaker 1: give them the opportunity. I'm fine with that. Just don't
Speaker 1: lose the game because you let a guy have a
Speaker 1: big punt return or you fumbled a punt. That's true,
Speaker 1: all right, we got two minutes left, a little less.
Speaker 1: That's it. Lance in Philly, take us home what you got? Yes,
Speaker 1: what's happening to guys? Always lest the see I love it,
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate that. All good? A couple of things, guys, um,
Speaker 1: what do you feel the season? The three things? Do
Speaker 1: you feel? The season? Hinges on and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: aside from injuries, of course, my opinion, I feel it.
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore second division record and third Connor Williams, I'd
Speaker 1: like to know what you gotta think, Go Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: haven't felt this good about a season since literally ninety
Speaker 1: two and I've been a fan from seventy eight, so
Speaker 1: I'm feeling really good. Let's stay healthy, Go Cowboys. Ye don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say just Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: but maybe just the cohesion of this veteran offensive line
Speaker 1: is all Frederick in there coming back. You know, zach'smissed time.
Speaker 1: They haven't had a lot of time together in the preseason.
Speaker 1: They are a veteran group minus Connor is in his
Speaker 1: second year. Look, if you don't get where you want
Speaker 1: to go and you blame it on the left guard,
Speaker 1: you had other problems. Yeah, how about this one? We
Speaker 1: just talked about it. How about scoring defense? You know,
Speaker 1: not a concern. I mean you need to see that.
Speaker 1: I mean that if they can find a way to
Speaker 1: shut people down, keep the scoring defense be top five.
Speaker 1: They're gonna give up yards potentially. But the scoring defense,
Speaker 1: I think is the most important. Mickey brought up the
Speaker 1: red zone offense, scoring points, finishing drives. I think that's
Speaker 1: more important. And I do like the Kellen Moore thing.
Speaker 1: I do like the Kellen Moore angle here. I do
Speaker 1: like his the thought about what he potentially can be
Speaker 1: because I do feel like he's going to take his
Speaker 1: weapons and try and advance things with him. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna call a different game than what
Speaker 1: we've seen from Scott Linahan in previous years. And I'll
Speaker 1: just give you one more real quick. If this defense
Speaker 1: is going to be dominant, then we've got to can't
Speaker 1: finish twenty ninth and takeaways. Ye got to get the ball.
Speaker 1: That's get this ball back to this offense because this
Speaker 1: offense is going to be awfully good. Yep. Hellman was
Speaker 1: trying to get your attention behind you, I think, and
Speaker 1: it's not working. It's not working because Brian's a pro
Speaker 1: and he's focused. Yea, all right, and he can't see
Speaker 1: behind his back, that's true, but he's also a pro.
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