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<v Speaker 1>What's up. Family. It's your girl to meet you, Mallory,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's your boy and my son in general, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are your host of street politicians, the place and

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<v Speaker 1>politics meet well, Mr Lennon, it's a new week. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you feeling Timica. I'm feeling good, feeling good. People can't

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<v Speaker 1>see me today, but you can surely hear me as always.

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<v Speaker 1>Shut up? What is that supposed to me? You can't

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<v Speaker 1>see me, but you can hear me. Like, what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>would make you say? As always? I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>say that you have a very loud you project yourself. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So basically I got a big mouth. That's cool. You

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<v Speaker 1>said that, not me, I said you project Yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a big mouth. Uh. Let's see what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the world. Let me tell you something. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>something happened other day and it really got me to

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<v Speaker 1>understanding how much our privacy is being invaded in our

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<v Speaker 1>in this society, and just how careful people have to

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<v Speaker 1>be because, um, when returning to New York from Porsche's wedding,

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<v Speaker 1>I found this this It was like a lot of traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever been to the Atlanta UH Airport, especially

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<v Speaker 1>the Delta terminal. Um, you know how crazy it is

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to when it's apt whenever there is traffic,

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<v Speaker 1>especially after a holiday week. Um, you know, people it

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<v Speaker 1>is very difficult to get on the ramp for departures,

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<v Speaker 1>and so a lot of times, uh, some of the

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<v Speaker 1>drivers will go downstairs. Uh and then you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of go through and go upstairs through the escalators

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<v Speaker 1>and what have you. It's a little trick, but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>just so happens that there's a new t s a

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<v Speaker 1>pre check express area. So it's like an exclusive room

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<v Speaker 1>that if you have t estate pre check, you go

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<v Speaker 1>there and you can uh you know, go quick through

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<v Speaker 1>the process and they check your bag downstairs. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>really got. It has to be fairly new because we

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<v Speaker 1>go to Atlanta all the time. No one has ever

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<v Speaker 1>even mentioned it space to me. But the crazy thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that when you go inside of the room, you

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<v Speaker 1>walk up to some machines, and at least with like

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<v Speaker 1>the clear machines, you gotta let get your face and

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes right in front of the thing, and it

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<v Speaker 1>tells you that they can't find you several times because

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<v Speaker 1>you need your eyes to be correctly like in the

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<v Speaker 1>square in the box. But this thing, it's a big

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<v Speaker 1>old camera somehow, and it just scans your face and

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<v Speaker 1>all your information pops up and you check your bag

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<v Speaker 1>right there. You don't gotta do nothing, you don't gotta

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<v Speaker 1>scan eyes, you don't do anything, or you just do

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<v Speaker 1>is walk in, you stand there and it's scans your face.

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<v Speaker 1>It captures you just standing there and all your information

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<v Speaker 1>comes up. And I'm like, that's got to be the

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<v Speaker 1>same type of technology, facial recognition that is really becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a thing all over the world, but certainly even in

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<v Speaker 1>the US it's becoming a thing. Like on American streets

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<v Speaker 1>it's you. You you can't do anything with these people

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<v Speaker 1>where they don't see you. And I've been saying that

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, and that just proves my point,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you're telling but I'm like, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to people going to jail. Man, Like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what people think is going on in these streets. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. If you I tell people all time crime

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<v Speaker 1>is over. If you think you're gonna commit a crime,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in New York City in America period, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>getting away with it. They got they got temperature scans,

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<v Speaker 1>they got facial resignition scans, they got retina scans, they

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<v Speaker 1>got um computing. Now they're sitting out what they said,

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're sitting out, Oh, robots that can shoot like

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<v Speaker 1>it's we just in a time where you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be very savvy, very intelligent. You have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of discernment, and you gotta make very wise decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta watch every movie you make, because they're watching

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<v Speaker 1>every move you make, you know, So I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a very scary thing that you just walk

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<v Speaker 1>into a place and this ship you ain't gonna position

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<v Speaker 1>your face no way of anything, and from any angle

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<v Speaker 1>this machine is able to capture you and and bring

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<v Speaker 1>up your whole history. That's crazy. That is I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I'm not explaining it properly because it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know it recognized your face, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even have to, like you didn't know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>from any angle you walk in and the ship just

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<v Speaker 1>immediately scanned and realizes you from the side. You wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>inside the camera. You didn't have to look, you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be stationary, you were just mere moving. Initial

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<v Speaker 1>is coach and even a picture where they showed it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like sideways. That's crazy though, like I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>blown away by I I mean I just seeing that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like wow, like our privacy is really being invaded.

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<v Speaker 1>And but the crazy thing is like they got all

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<v Speaker 1>this technology and can't find none of the people that

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<v Speaker 1>kill people or or or uh not none of them

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<v Speaker 1>because some people have been apprehended. But a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times that's happening because the community is doing its own

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<v Speaker 1>police work by telling where what they think is had

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what happened to an individual or some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>um sanction I tell you all the time. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it is is state sanction violence. And people are

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<v Speaker 1>getting away because they want them to get away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And and all of the missing people and the and

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<v Speaker 1>the people who have been sex traffic they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>no they don't have no information or none of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I tell you what they do know is how

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<v Speaker 1>to keep your information and your your your and and

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<v Speaker 1>and and and basically be able to keep you on

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<v Speaker 1>record for whatever the American government's pleasure. Maybe it's just

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<v Speaker 1>very strange, but anyways, And the bottom line is, as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, crime does not pay. And speaking of crime

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<v Speaker 1>and how it doesn't pay. It's like it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>conflicting issue because on one hand, it's like, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we are out here telling people crime doesn't pay, but

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<v Speaker 1>we also have to recognize the realities of how uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the moment that we're in, especially when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the holiday season, creates desperation. And so now

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<v Speaker 1>that I saw that door Dash has laid off and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty employees, and then all types of other companies from Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>we know Meta Um has laid off a bunch of people.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been talking about laying off like a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Twitter, we see all the crazy stuff that's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with Twitter, people walking out, you know, people being

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<v Speaker 1>laid off. Then you have HP, which I think that

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<v Speaker 1>HP is Hewlett Packard still but they may be rebranded

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<v Speaker 1>to just HP Lift. So these are all companies that

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<v Speaker 1>have laid off individuals, and you know, again especially during

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<v Speaker 1>the holiday time. And I'm just trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>so many of these corporations were able to get the

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<v Speaker 1>p p P and the bailouts and everything during COVID

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<v Speaker 1>and D you know, during the pandemic. How is it

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<v Speaker 1>that you do all of that and still lay off

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<v Speaker 1>the employees. And then the folks ain't got no job.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we over here telling them crime don't pay.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, because crowd could obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>job don't pay either. So that's how people saying, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>the job ain't paying because the job is cutting us off,

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<v Speaker 1>so we ain't getting paid. So the only job we

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<v Speaker 1>got his crime. So we we gotta figure this out.

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<v Speaker 1>This this economy, just the way that things are going.

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<v Speaker 1>And it brings me to something I was looking at. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this lawyer that I watched. He does like little

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop lawyer. He always explains like little things. I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot his name, but he was talking about Nike and

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<v Speaker 1>Adidas and how they they're they're cutting off, they're cutting

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<v Speaker 1>the stopping their distribution by thirty and he was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how China and Russia ain't buying them air products

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<v Speaker 1>no more and it's actually going down. So that that

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<v Speaker 1>feeds to my boycott Nike. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>People are all Nike gonna know, they need they need

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<v Speaker 1>us now more than ever. So that's what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to say. I were consistent about what we do with

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<v Speaker 1>our money, and consistent about making people respect us. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the leverage that we can have, you know, then we

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<v Speaker 1>can we start and if we start just focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>black owned organizations and companies and brands anyway, then we

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<v Speaker 1>can empower and we can employ our own people. You

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<v Speaker 1>understand I'm saying during these seasons, if we own businesses,

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<v Speaker 1>if we own corporations, we can make sure that because

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<v Speaker 1>most of the marginalized and people who are gonna suffer

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<v Speaker 1>in these times being cut off or people from our communities,

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<v Speaker 1>so we never employ our our own people instead of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, letting these brands do and say and and

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<v Speaker 1>treat us anyway they want to. So I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>gives that's like a lesson to some of y'all. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be scared, fight sometimes. Don't be scared fights sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>but fight with accurate information. You know, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>in my thought of the day. We've been talking a

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<v Speaker 1>lot lately, I said last week on the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>it actually was one of the first clips that was

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<v Speaker 1>put out. Um, you know about about our show from

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<v Speaker 1>last week. Shout out to our brother to Bet, who

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the senior Yeah, he one of the

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<v Speaker 1>senior strategist for Steve Harvey and you know, we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how dangerous the internet is, and an example

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<v Speaker 1>of that happened like right after the interview. Has been

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<v Speaker 1>going on for the last few days. You know, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, at the point that we're taping this, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this information is up to date. But by

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<v Speaker 1>the time the show airs, is very possible uh that

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<v Speaker 1>things have changed, and we'll make sure to report on it.

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<v Speaker 1>At that time. However, I watched some a blog put

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<v Speaker 1>out some information UM about Schankula Robinson, an update to

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<v Speaker 1>the situation with her and getting justice for Shanquala, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said that that the first thing that went out

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<v Speaker 1>which was verified and true, that there was a arrest

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<v Speaker 1>waarrant uh now active for one of the individuals involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the direct attack. Now we all assume that it

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<v Speaker 1>is uh the woman Dejane. However, we don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not what the FBI stated. They did not

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<v Speaker 1>put that information out, and they also did not tell

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<v Speaker 1>the Robinson family at least. I spoke to shan Quala's

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<v Speaker 1>mother and sister about this, and they did not hear

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<v Speaker 1>directly from the FBI who the arrest saarant is for UM,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did receive information that there was in a

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant and also at the extradition process, UM was attached

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<v Speaker 1>to the warrant. Then I saw a blog post that UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she was arrested and her family has had

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<v Speaker 1>not has not heard that at this point, her family

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<v Speaker 1>has not heard from the FDR. Now, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>two problems. One, I think the Internet they want clicks

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<v Speaker 1>and lights so much that people there are some people

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<v Speaker 1>I used to say, well, it's not intentional, it might

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<v Speaker 1>have been a mistake, and now I'm starting to think, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually very intentional. There are people who report things

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<v Speaker 1>that's untrue on purpose so that they could draw folks

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<v Speaker 1>to their pages and you know, and get get more followers.

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<v Speaker 1>So one, you know, I'm not about to give them

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<v Speaker 1>because you didn't verify, you can't verify it. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a call from one of the major blogs asking me, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I want to report on this story,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm looking up the woman's name in the system.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to find her. You know, we're doing the

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<v Speaker 1>checks and balances that we have and there's no one

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<v Speaker 1>literally and and also the FBI were calls to them.

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<v Speaker 1>No one is confirming that this person has been arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>which would align with the fact that the FBI never

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<v Speaker 1>called her mom to tell her that, um that the

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<v Speaker 1>person has been arrested. So that tells me that people

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<v Speaker 1>just put anything on the internet and we all that

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<v Speaker 1>includes me, It certainly includes you because you know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always beating up on you. But we have to be

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<v Speaker 1>real careful about information we share that we see, even

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<v Speaker 1>when we see it on someone's page that we actually

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<v Speaker 1>you know that we know and trust. Because this morning

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<v Speaker 1>it was on the Ricky Smiley Show, they put out

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<v Speaker 1>that the young lady was arrested and and that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>not true. Yeah, that we know of I think, I

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<v Speaker 1>think what it happens is a lot of people and

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<v Speaker 1>and we're all guilty of it. Right when when you

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<v Speaker 1>find something that supports the narrative that you want, or

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<v Speaker 1>something that feeds into energy that you actually wanted, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to believe, you want something to support your own theory, right,

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<v Speaker 1>your own ideology and your own feeling. Like people want

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<v Speaker 1>this girl to be arrested, So soon it's anywhere that

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<v Speaker 1>gets posted, people gonna be like yes, because they want

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<v Speaker 1>that that's actually what they want. Even when when you

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<v Speaker 1>see and I tell people that all the time. When

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<v Speaker 1>you when you put the post up negative about somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>that's because you just want to believe that because you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do any research. You didn't search, you didn't because

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to dispel myths, right, So I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. A lot of us post things to support

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<v Speaker 1>our own feelings, our own emotions, our own theories, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and and sometimes we don't check them because we already

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<v Speaker 1>in our mind believe it's true anyway. So we just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like somebody just confirmed what we already know. When

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on all actuality, especially when you have huge

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<v Speaker 1>platforms and you have people who follow you for information

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<v Speaker 1>and they believe that the information you give is accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do to due diligence. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>do the research. Because I've seen you. As soon as

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<v Speaker 1>you see that post, you wanted to post it. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, well, I ain't see this nowhere. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me let me start looking around, let me make some

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<v Speaker 1>cool let me call you know what I'm saying, because

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<v Speaker 1>you understand that you have a responsibility. You understand that

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<v Speaker 1>people actually believe what you say. So if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to remain credible, you know what I'm saying, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do the work to remain credible. So all these sites, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you ain't got to rush to be first. Sometimes if

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<v Speaker 1>you last, and you gotta right and you get the

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<v Speaker 1>story right exactly like getting the story right. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>helpful and the families and other people will come to

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<v Speaker 1>you with exclusive information when they see that you have

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<v Speaker 1>integrity in terms of what you posted. And I got

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<v Speaker 1>into it on a blog and it's the same blog,

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<v Speaker 1>well I don't think so. In fact, it was in

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know why I'm even calling these pages

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<v Speaker 1>blogs because we need to get that straight to blogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Some blogs, many blogs are actually reputable sources that do

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<v Speaker 1>try their best to you know, look into the story

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<v Speaker 1>ease and put out accurate information. So when I say blogs,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to be very very careful with that. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of them is just pages, just uh Instagram page where

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<v Speaker 1>somebody is talking running names. They call a blog. Now

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<v Speaker 1>mostly I'm telling you these people who have give their

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<v Speaker 1>themselves names and titles, and all they do is got

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<v Speaker 1>a YouTube page that anybody could get or Instagram page

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<v Speaker 1>and they call it a blog and then they get

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<v Speaker 1>enough people to follow and believe it. That's that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it's turned into. It's no, there's no fact check, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no credibility, there's no resonme. People don't even know who

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<v Speaker 1>you are. But they followed you, and you said a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of words that resonated. Wouldn't want to twice and

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<v Speaker 1>now you would come to their source of information. So well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and so on this particular thing, they were

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<v Speaker 1>still they were running the narrative that dejan Ay, which

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<v Speaker 1>which is believed to be the woman who was attacking

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<v Speaker 1>chicuag chant Quala, that she is a trans woman. So

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<v Speaker 1>that narrative started somewhere and as soon as I saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I wanted to be you know, very I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that if it's true, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and it it's true, it's true, it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's being stated of just nothing anyone could do about

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<v Speaker 1>it because if it's true, it's true. But if it

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<v Speaker 1>is not true, we do not need to um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>increase or let me not say increase, but exploit a

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that can be dangerous for anybody. So for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not good for uh, someone to say, oh, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a robbery downtown uh and and I bet you

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<v Speaker 1>was black people that did it, right or a black

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<v Speaker 1>man that did it. We don't want to do that

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<v Speaker 1>because we know what those types of narratives, what it

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<v Speaker 1>does to our community, what it does to any particular community.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even want to say, oh, I bet you

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<v Speaker 1>a white a white man. Uh, you know it did

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<v Speaker 1>X y Z thing. We all have those biases that

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<v Speaker 1>exist within us, but we have to be really careful

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<v Speaker 1>about that. So when people start saying, oh, what it

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<v Speaker 1>was a transperson, I'm like, let me call and check

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and and found out about this, And

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<v Speaker 1>of course I called and spoke to she han't quillas sister.

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<v Speaker 1>She and Quila not wonderfol she ain't quill us so

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<v Speaker 1>bad because her sister's name is Quila, um uh to Quila.

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<v Speaker 1>So I called her and I'm asking her, you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I've heard. Can you confirm to you know?

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, I don't believe that that's true. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw it online as well, but they actually met

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<v Speaker 1>the woman. Uh and you know they you know know,

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<v Speaker 1>several friends and people around and they said that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that that is true. So I got tagged

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<v Speaker 1>on a video where someone is like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Tamika Mallory's not gonna say anything about this. I bet

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<v Speaker 1>you she's too scared to speak on this issue. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what are you? Like? What? I well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even understand what that means and why people are

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<v Speaker 1>so ignorant. So I and and they'd love to go

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth with me and tell me, you know

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<v Speaker 1>all the reasons why I'm wrong. So I asked, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this person, because this is a person commenting on a

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<v Speaker 1>page which they probably call themselves a blog, I asked,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do you know that this person that posted

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<v Speaker 1>this do you know them? And do you know for

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<v Speaker 1>sure that they are in touch with uh dejaney or

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<v Speaker 1>someone connected to her that has confirmed this information? How

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<v Speaker 1>do they know? Did they get it from the internet?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you questioned them about why they're posting this type

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<v Speaker 1>of the information? And I said, and why would you

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<v Speaker 1>think that? As a person who has a I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>my best to have an authentic brand and authentic voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I'm not perfect, but I try. If I put

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<v Speaker 1>out inaccurate information like what does that say about me

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<v Speaker 1>that I wouldn't need? They go I'm gonna target a

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<v Speaker 1>community that's already dealing with. I hold, you know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things, and and and being marginalized, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go target that community because the Internet says something,

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<v Speaker 1>and not because I know for sure that this information

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<v Speaker 1>that's being put out there is truth. Why would I

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<v Speaker 1>do that? And you know what crickets I've heard because

0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 1>people can't. They just people just want to find a

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<v Speaker 1>reason to find fault. Right. People say, oh, you won't

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<v Speaker 1>speak on that. We get that all the time. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be quiet on this. You you you pick and choose.

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<v Speaker 1>You're did right now, pick and choose. I pick and

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<v Speaker 1>choose the issues that I believe in. Right. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>fight on the issue or talk about something first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm either not knowledgeable of or I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any real energy for some ship. It doesn't it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>like I see it, and I'm like, damn, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. That's not my forte. Certain things that go

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<v Speaker 1>on in the world that even affect black people. There's

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<v Speaker 1>certain things that I'm not that knowledgeable of, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't speak on them. I might say that I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's wrong, but when I'm adamant about something, it's because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learned in it, I've studied it, our understand the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamics of it. I believe it to be more than

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<v Speaker 1>likely accurate, not ninety nine point nine percent accurate about

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<v Speaker 1>things that I speak up. And I come from a

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<v Speaker 1>perspective where I have some level of understanding or expertise

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<v Speaker 1>in the field that I speak on. So those are

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I like to speak on. You. So

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<v Speaker 1>when they say you pick at you or I bet

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<v Speaker 1>you won't say no, why don't you say? But obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you feel very strongly about the issue. You seem knowledgeable,

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<v Speaker 1>you seem like you know some things. You've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of energy. So that's why that's why we all

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<v Speaker 1>do our part in this world. We do especially in

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<v Speaker 1>this movement, so we have different you know, everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>a different entry point of movement. You believe in these things.

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<v Speaker 1>You you are adamant about this. You want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>those things talk about, So go talk about it. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>come at my d m s trying to pressure me

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<v Speaker 1>and force me and bully me into talking about ship

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<v Speaker 1>that you want to talk about. That's why you gotta page,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta voide. You got all the right in the

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<v Speaker 1>world to speak on things that you want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I have all the right not to speak

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<v Speaker 1>on the things that I don't want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you'll understand that, then the world will be

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<v Speaker 1>a better place. Man, go to your own page. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care how many followers you or tell them why

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<v Speaker 1>you're mad, tell them that you want to get off

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<v Speaker 1>your chest, tell when people should be doing, and you

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<v Speaker 1>build your own following. That's where, yeah, it's not it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that one side of it you said that's a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent right, is that it may not be something

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<v Speaker 1>that we understand. Clearly, we may not. You know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>things miss you. You You don't even know what happened, or

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<v Speaker 1>if you do know, you're trying to figure out the

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<v Speaker 1>different pieces and understand it, or maybe you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>time to do that. But here's what I will say.

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<v Speaker 1>We nobody is capable of getting on every issue all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. That is a failed it's a failed strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>You actually have to stick with the things you think

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually impact, even when there's other things that's aligned.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to stick with what it is that you

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<v Speaker 1>know you can impact. You know, I think right now

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<v Speaker 1>the issue of Valenciaga. That's a big issue and a

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<v Speaker 1>big concern of course, anything now that we're learning more

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't know anything about the history of the

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<v Speaker 1>designer and all of that, which I'm sure that's the

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<v Speaker 1>case with a whole bunch of uh, you know, issues

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<v Speaker 1>and brands and not just brand. Should we eat, places

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<v Speaker 1>we work, the people we work for, uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>people we've been in relationship too, and with like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a you know a lot with that. But um, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but I see a lot of people talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the issue around Valenciaga, and I think that's an

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<v Speaker 1>important issue for me. I got one sweater, a pair

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<v Speaker 1>of leggings and two sneakers. It's not that serious, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't care, but I and that is

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't. I was never into Valenciaga. So for

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<v Speaker 1>me to can't Valenciaga is with them? How am I

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 1>canceling them? I don't mean I don't. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>so when I when I when I said, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing, I got one Valencia and one you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. So it ain't but I met you

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<v Speaker 1>what you do have and what I know I have

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<v Speaker 1>his hundreds. You got thousands, so I don't know. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have thousands now, but I have hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>Nikes exactly. So that's what impacted me. It really impacted

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<v Speaker 1>me because I'm like, damn, I really this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that I supported, and I know that my voice can

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<v Speaker 1>be hurt. And I know that the community that I

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>come from we all supported. So I know that me

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<v Speaker 1>shifting attempting to shift the consciousness or what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in NIKEE with the brand and with you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>co founder and how they they view us. I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's impactful. Me just coming with my one little Valenciaga

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<v Speaker 1>shirt saying this and that it ain't it ain't as

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<v Speaker 1>impactful as somebody who would like the guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to health cat. I'm the health cat. He

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<v Speaker 1>burnt this Balenciaga people was mad at him, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think it's valuable enough to give

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<v Speaker 1>to nobody, And that was my my position. I don't

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>want to see nobody with Nikes on, so I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>giving it to nobody I would care to home. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get I can give homeless people, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know I can give them other clothes. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>all types of other clothes. I've been doing it in

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<v Speaker 1>I give to the good Will every year. I give

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<v Speaker 1>bags of clothes to people in need. But I did,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. That's not what I wanted to do with Nike.

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to completely um eradicate and get them out

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 1>of our culture. That's my that's my intention. Well it happened,

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>who knows, but I know that's my goal. I don't

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:37.639
<v Speaker 1>want to see it. I don't want to give it

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>to another person. I don't want them wearing it and

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 1>somebody else seeing it and be oh, I like that.

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Let me. I wouldn't want to buy that where that

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<v Speaker 1>comes from? I know that's not what I don't want

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to be do anything to help the advertisemental promotion of it.

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, so everybody got a different, different mind state.

0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 1>You know. Hopefully I'll find a way to get in

0:25:56.280 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the game, which you can't, you know, speaking of people

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 1>using their platforms and people getting into it. You know,

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>we have a guest coming on today that is no

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 1>stranger to not just three politicians, but to our lives.

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Everybody know that we are super close um to our brother,

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the Reverend Mark Thompson. And and you know, we said

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>we have to bring Mark on to help us get

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 1>talked through some of some of these things that's happening

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>in some history. That's our history. That's the historian um

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 1>among until Freedom and Until Freedom family. And of course

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't make sure we shout out our brother, Attorney

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Angelo Pinto, because he's the other historian um. And so

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 1>let's bring Rev. Mark Thompson on. Let's talk about when

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>we say everybody has to use their platform, because not

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody's using it for the right things in my opinion

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:57.640
<v Speaker 1>all the time. UM. And I think Mark can help

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 1>us to sort of examine what's been happening in the media.

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>So Mark, welcome back to Street Politicians. I'm happy to

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 1>be here, always a pleasure to be here, and I'm

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 1>thankful for all the work that you all continue to

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>do and the way you use your platform here on

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Street Politicians. So first of all, Mark, you know, I

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>want to get your thoughts on this whole Jerry Jones,

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the picture and the whole you know, controversy. It's not

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>really controversial to me because it was there, he was there,

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.399
<v Speaker 1>So I just want to get how how do you

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>see it? I think it speaks to the history and

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>legacy of a lot of people in positions of influence

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and power and where they came from. That is the

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>history of this country. It was almost impossible to avoid

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>and you would have had to have been an exceptional

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>um person to have not participated in that and and

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 1>stood up against them. We know there are very few

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 1>people who did at that time. There are very few

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>people who stood with us at our moments of struggle,

0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>very few white people who stood with Dr King and

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>so I was see Jerry Jones is one of them.

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>I think that there are two things. One, it requires

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>us once again to just examine who and where we

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>are in the context of everything. Here's someone who owns

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>a team and owns everything about the team, including the

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>majority of athletes that are on that team. All right,

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 1>and you know, the issue still becomes, why are we

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>se of the players on these NFL teams and own nothing,

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>own no team? What's so few coaches, no owners whatsoever.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>That says a lot, and we ought to lift that

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>up in every opportunity we have when these types of

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>things come up. Why is Jerry Jones still an owner

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and none of us our owns why can't we be

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Why can't we own one team? First of all? Second

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>of all, I do want to commend Lebron because Lebron

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>is not an activist. But to your point to Mikau,

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>he is using his platform now and I want to

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>commend him because I think it takes a lot of

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.719
<v Speaker 1>courage for him to take the take he took asking

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the question. But why y'all asked me about the situation

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>with Kyrie and not ask me about Jerry Jones? Why

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 1>is everybody quiet about that? And he's he articulately said,

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to other people's uh struggles and oppression

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and discrimination, that's paramount. But when it comes to hours,

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>it's knocked down. It's low on the total pope. So

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>so why people, why isn't Jerry Jones being canceled? M

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>and and and and why once again do black people

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>get canceled when it comes to other people's oppressure? When

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>we don't oppress anybody, I don't be very clear by that.

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>We don't have a power to oppress anybody. Even if

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 1>people say things it may seem insensitive or if anything,

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>sometimes people say things that are terribly uninformed, but that's

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>not oppression. That's not keeping a whole another group of

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 1>people down. We are kept down always all times and

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>continue to be kept down. Remember, Jerry Jones was one

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>of the people who was against the taking of the

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>knee and all of that. He still came out against

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>that first and foremost. So you know, for that to

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>just kind of be okay, this is just what is

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>just something happened. It's just kind of matter of fact

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to our struggle and our oppression, and

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that happened right here in this country. Yea, within these borders,

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>on this soil, what not even sixty years ago? M

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>hm hm. Well, you know, I know we want to

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>talk about Stephen A. Smith's comments because he used you know,

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>his platform as well. And you know, I have my

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>days with Stephen A. Smith, and you know, I used

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to really really think that I just used to feel

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>different about him, and then over the years I began

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>to watch him make statements that I feel like, like

0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>he he apologizes for white folks to me too much,

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>and then sometimes you know, he's extremely harsh on black folks,

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>which I get the fact that we have to challenge

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>our own. You can't be a commentator where you don't

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>ever have something to say about things that black folks

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>do that ain't right, just like any other community. However,

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it just feels to me like, you know, I don't

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>know why we need to either apologize and or let's

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 1>say apology. Apologists might be going too far. But why

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>do we have to uh defend older white men above

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>seventy years old who happened to be standing in a

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>place that represents the torture of our communities. I believe

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Mark Thompson that if there was a picture of you,

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>me and my son, any one of us standing in

0:31:55.440 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 1>a in a space where any other community, any other community,

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>whether we be the Jewish community, the gay community, any

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>other community, if we were standing there while uh torture

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that is aligned with our enslavement and oppression, if that

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>was happening, or with that group's um you know, uh

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>enslavement and and and and oppression if that was if

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>that happened, I don't think we would ever be able

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>to live it down. I mean, that's my opinion. What

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>do you think. You're absolutely right, and we've seen examples

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>of that. I mean, if we're in anywhere in proximity

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>to a situation where someone else is is being mistreated

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>or oppressed. We we are held account before it. As

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>far as Stephen A. Smith is concerned, Um, I know

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Um in spite of something his Steven, Stephen has

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>always going out of his way, uh to express a

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>profound amount of respect for me. But I take that

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to mean this Steven knows where he is. And I

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>think Stephen realizes the cost of him speaking the way

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>we speak, and I think he just chooses not to

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>do it. But that's but that's right there. It's my

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 1>issue long because you could choose not to do it,

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>but you can't choose not to do it and then

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>attack young black kids all day long. That like, that's

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 1>that's an issue for me. I'm good that you're not

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 1>going to speak against the white people. Good. You gotta

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>keep your job because he's made statements that every day

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>this is what this was. He said, every day, I

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>wake up and figure out how to make my boss

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>more money. That's his mind state. That's what he said,

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that came out of his mouth. So I get that

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>that's your job, but everybody don't have that same job, right.

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>A lot of these young black kids, you know, they

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>come into this league, they come from marginalized communities. They

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>don't come you know, they come from community, come from poverty.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>But there's they're they're still grounded in their black history

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's trying to figure certain things out. They're still

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>black and proud. And because they come into the industry

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and that is not that doesn't celebrate being black and proud.

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 1>They're being they got They hit from all angles all

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the time every time they do something that shows that

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>they're too black. So we don't need our own black

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 1>people to to to lash out of them. At the

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>same time, you know, we know that you can't sometimes

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you can't say all the time what's going on, Like,

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 1>we understand that, but you we just don't need you

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to pile on. If you can't help us, just don't

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>hurt us. Man. That's that's my problem, my problem. No,

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I agree, I agree with all of that. Um.

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 1>This media industry, though, is contracting so much. Everybody is afraid.

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>That's why so many of those people piled on against Kyrie.

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>They were trying to keep that even when it was necessary.

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Mansa, I don't I'm not for that. Um,

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that's what that's what people do. Um. The difference between

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>those and the three of us and many who are

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>listening right now is that we're free and and freedom

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>is a beautiful thing and we're willing to pay with

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:57.479
<v Speaker 1>every price there is to pay h to be free.

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think people know what even young people you're

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>talking about when you can't young people. And you're right, Tomka,

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Your evolution in terms of how you look at Stephen

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.360
<v Speaker 1>is the same for a lot of people. You know,

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.439
<v Speaker 1>step like Stephen. But then as you hear more than women, now,

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, brother, we need you because you are using

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>this platform. We need you to take a stand. We

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>need to do some but he'll do things like for example, uh,

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>this week when a reaction to lebron statements on Jerry Jones,

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>he had Rolling on his show, so and he talked

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>about all I'm so glad Rolling is here, and I

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 1>saw what that was. Stephen doesn't feel like he can

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>say certain things, so he brings Rolling on it. That's fine,

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.479
<v Speaker 1>But still I think at the end of the day,

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, we all want to look in the mirror.

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I think the three of us we have a different calling.

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>We we you, we face each other in the mirror

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>every day, don't we we in the morning. Mice you

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>look in the mirror, and you gotta live with mice.

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Jamka you got to live with Jamika. I got to

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>live with Mark. We can't live with ourselves if we're

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 1>not looking at the people in the middle who we are.

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.280
<v Speaker 1>That's just how we made Yeah, and that's a blessing.

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 1>And and I think Mark, for me, my son, gave

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>one aspect like if you go, you know, if you're

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>not going to say or be as radical if you will,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 1>as we are on race and those issues, but you

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>can take the time to attack and and critique. Let's

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>say critique, because the word attack, if you know that,

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>that triggers people. So let's say critique. If you can

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>do that, then you at least can just be quiet

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>about Jerry Jones. You understand I'm saying. Nobody's even looking

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>for Stephen A. Smith too. We wanted to let me

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>tell you the Jerry Jones situation was fourteen years ago.

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>We're not stupid, we get it. It was Oh no,

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm excuse me. I'm sorry. It was when he was

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old. We all when we were fourteen have

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>things in our beat. I mean, I know, I never

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 1>stood anywhere and watched, you know, the torture of another community.

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>But nonetheless, we all, when with fourteen have things that

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 1>we're not proud of, we can all reconcile that absolutely right.

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>The issue is that I don't need to go running

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>around trying to explain on behalf of a white man

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>who happened. He should be the only one explaining. The

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>only person we need to hear from is Jerry Jones

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>about why he was there and his uh denouncing racism

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 1>and supporting the players that are with on on his

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 1>team and in the NFL whose life experience is that

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of which happened to those black people in that picture.

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 1>That's the only thing we need. We do not need

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to hear from one black person that feels the need

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to explain on Jerry jones behalf. We don't need that

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there sixty six years. You don't know nothing about it.

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Don't tell us about something that you you you don't

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>have any information to give us. You're giving us your

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:00.919
<v Speaker 1>opinion that's based off a bias situation, because the only

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>proximity you're able to see Jerry is to proximity that

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>he wants you to see him. Right, You never see you.

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Never you, especially as a black man, You've never been

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 1>in the room with him and a bunch of white

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>racist people to hear him defend no black people. You

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>don't know none of these things, so you can't even

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>give us a good point of view that that contributes

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>to this situation in general. We're asking you how he

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.919
<v Speaker 1>is that when you go to the games. Of course

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna do that's where the people make them players

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:32.320
<v Speaker 1>on the team. What are you gonna do that he

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 1>ain't gonna say, Yo, I'm racist. I don't get talk

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 1>about that. That's never gonna be. So when you don't

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>have a perspective that can help us to dissect this situation.

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 1>So just be and before you go, Mark, because I

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>want you to be had the last word on this issue.

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I think my song what you just said is true.

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>You don't know you. You might know him, but we

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:57.399
<v Speaker 1>none of us know people behind closed doors when they

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 1>are in their element right. And I'm tell you, there

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.760
<v Speaker 1>was someone tweeted and you know I I dare open

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Twitter ever in my life, but it just so happened

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that I was tagged to something and I opened it

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and it was a picture of teenagers standing around watching

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>an actual lynching, and the title of it said, these

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 1>were fourteen year olds too, right, So fourteen year olds

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>at that time stood around and watched a lot of things.

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 1>The only question a black man could to me, or

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:34.760
<v Speaker 1>black person should be asking, is what has Jerry Jones

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>done from then until now to prove his allegiance to

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 1>the black community outside of people being employees that have

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>helped to make him rich. What has he done? That's

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the only thing I think I don't So that's my

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 1>issue with Stephen A. Smith. I'm not looking for him

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>to be a radical activist. I don't need him to

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>be Mark Thompson. I don't need him to be Dr King.

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I just need to know why is it that you

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>feel so comfortable trying to explain for for a community

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>that they need to be the only ones explaining for themselves. Yeah.

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I agree with all of that, and I think we

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>should not uh discount the possibility that he may have

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>been asked or ordered to do that one. And we

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>gotta look at that when people want to step in

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the line of five put their bodies in between the

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>white folks, we would hold accountable. The other thing too.

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's just say how real it is about him possibly

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:31.320
<v Speaker 1>being asked to do that. Even if he wasn't asked,

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:34.800
<v Speaker 1>he he heard it in his head. Um, if people

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>have noticed this in the past decade at least, sports

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>coverage has changed, and because of the contracting sports journalism

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and media industry. There used to be a time, um

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>when we were younger, when sports media personalities and sports

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 1>coverage was more critical of owners teams. You know, even

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>if a team wasn't doing well, you heard sports commentators

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.280
<v Speaker 1>put that out there. In a contracting industry where teams

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and leagues on their own media, everybody wants to be

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 1>sure they keep a job, so nobody wants to criticize anybody.

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>So you look at Steve the Smith, howf and just

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>he'll criticize a black athlete before he'll criticize the team

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>or an owner. And he's not alone in that, because

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>if ESPN goes south on him, he needs to be

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.280
<v Speaker 1>able to get a job on a New Jersey nets network,

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>which is yes here in New York, or get a

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>job with the NFL television network. You follow what I'm saying. So,

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>so that is another practical reality when it comes to

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:38.320
<v Speaker 1>some of these people so right, we shouldn't even be

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>looking to sports media folk any longer to set a

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>precedent or stick their next out for us, because they're

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>not doing it any longer in terms of objective critique

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.359
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to these teams. Uh, a matter of fact,

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll say there's not be done. The only commentator who

0:41:55.680 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>was always consistent about Mice criticizing the NFL's lack of

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 1>guaranteed contracts was one person that was Bryan Gumble. If

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 1>you not, there's no one sports that Stephen Steven Simpson.

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 1>They don't say none of that stuff because they want

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 1>to be sure they still have a job. And so yes,

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Jones, he's going to defend him. And like I said,

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to last thing.

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I said his last name. And I don't say this too. Y'all.

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Never see me in no cowboy head. You will never

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 1>see me in a cowboy head. That itself is a

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>symbol of oppression in this country, because that cowboy had

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 1>similar symbolizes the trail of tears, the assault on our

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 1>indigenous people and the assault on our people. So you

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's just that to me, is a cultural symbols,

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>not something to be wearing on their here. So when

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I saw Stephen with that cowboy had I see it

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 1>right there? And you know what the brother is, He's

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.839
<v Speaker 1>in the place I'm not in. I want to ask

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the questions about. So we were watching the movie too, right,

0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:00.319
<v Speaker 1>which is very very motional movie. Mom, have you seen it?

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:07.160
<v Speaker 1>A very emotional movie. It's hard wrenching, It's really graphic

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and emotional. And I was wondering, you know, we we

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.959
<v Speaker 1>we talked about this, and and not to any way

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>make light of the situation or say anyone isn't guilty

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>of anything or they are whatever, But the reality situation

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 1>is we were looking and the women who lied on

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:28.839
<v Speaker 1>in the till right. I was told that she's still

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>alive now and no one has pressed charges on knowing

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 1>that that she she she lied, you know, knowing that

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.839
<v Speaker 1>she on perjured herself, knowing that she got you know,

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>she pretty much aided and embedded in the murder of

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>this year four t o kids. And there we go, fourteen,

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>back to that age again, for this is what happens

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.839
<v Speaker 1>to our fourt yard, you know. And they were like,

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.359
<v Speaker 1>she's too old to stay in trial and she's too

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>old to be arrested, so nobody pursued it. And and

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 1>I and I bring up Bill Cosby. Now I don't

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.320
<v Speaker 1>know the situation, but he was found guilty or whatever

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 1>what happened to those women. I'm not speaking on that.

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking on the fact that these cases were forty

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 1>seven years old. This was eighty almost ninety old man

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 1>who had elements, who was very, very sick, could barely

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.440
<v Speaker 1>see all of these things, and nobody cared about his

0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 1>health when they were prosecuting. Right, So I want to

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 1>understand why do why do you think there's this double

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>standard or why do you think people care about her age?

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 1>We didn't care about his age. And I want to

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.399
<v Speaker 1>just jump in before you say that and just reiterate,

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>because you know, there are people who will really try

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to take that statement out of context and make it

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>that we are saying that Bill Cosby should not have

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.839
<v Speaker 1>been arrested, and that has absolutely nothing to do with

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the statement that we're What we're talking about, what we're

0:44:56.040 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>saying is looking at age, just simply age, right, an accountability.

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Bill Cosby has been held accountable for the claims of

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 1>these women against him at his age. What we're saying,

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 1>is why is it that this um uh, that this

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 1>woman has not been held accountable for in Mattil the

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>same way. That's it. That's the simple question. So that

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 1>anybody who's listening don't come to us talking about, oh,

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't think Bill Cosby should have went to jail.

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Bill Cosby has been held accountable for the women who

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>have made claims against him, and we want to know

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>why is that not the same for for what happened

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>to uh ms Brian. There's no logical explanation for that.

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:50.360
<v Speaker 1>But but but let me if you don't man, let me

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>take it a step further. For those who would accuse

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:59.320
<v Speaker 1>us of defending Cosby, Cosby is like Kanye, because remember

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>we've articulated folks got mad about what Kanye said. There

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.719
<v Speaker 1>was anti semitic, But we were done with Kanye when

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>he says slavery was a choice, and when he put

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 1>on the White Lives Matter shirt. Everybody else is quite

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 1>about that same thing was Bill before Bill was exposed

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>by the Me Too movement. We were done with him

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 1>on the pound cake speech, right, So we don't have

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to wait for other people to raise their concerns before

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.479
<v Speaker 1>we hold our own folks accountable and what he said

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 1>in that speech. While I was there, Dick Gregory was there,

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>we were done with him then when he talked about

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 1>all the negative things about black people and the pants

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 1>hanging and all the disparaging comments. So folks, you know,

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have to wait on the me too story

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 1>to be done the bill. Some of y'all relate to

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the party on that. Yes, he's been held accountable. There

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 1>is no logical explanation as to why Carol and Bryan

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Doneham has not been held accountable for her for her

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 1>actions and probably um the most heinous lynching because it

0:46:57.640 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 1>was so well publicized because it was so graphic and people,

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, some people I don't want to go see

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>any more these movies. No, no, you need to go

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>see this movie, because that's what made me Tell wanted

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 1>She wanted people to see the remains of her son.

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:16.280
<v Speaker 1>If people had not seen his his mutilated remains, August

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Em Mattell was lynched. We're in the month of December now,

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:28.359
<v Speaker 1>uh this year. Aug Montgomery bus boycott was December one, five.

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>M Matill's death and his brutalization is what sparked the

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 1>modern civil rights movie and people decided right then there,

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to allow this anymore. Um, black women

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.720
<v Speaker 1>walked to work war holes in the soles of their shoes,

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 1>walking to work in montgovernment for a year. I don't

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:50.719
<v Speaker 1>know if we could do that today. Right now, I

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.319
<v Speaker 1>have that discipline the boycott and walked to work every

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 1>day for a whole year until there was desrogation on

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 1>the buses in Montgomery. No, she does need to be

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 1>held accountable. And to be even more specific about it, Um,

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>there was some evidence recently uncovered that there was a

0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>warrant for her arrest and the warrant was never executed.

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>So even the myth that she was never seriously considered

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and they never had any evidence. Even back then, the

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>white folks in Mississippi, the prosecuting Mississippi, issued a warrant

0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 1>for Caroline's arrest. That warrant needs to be executed. And

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a black prosecuted down and sometimes we

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>are own worst enemy. There's a black prosecuted down there

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that needs to execute it. Uh. In fact, he's in

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 1>one of our in the fraternity. I know some brothers

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 1>in were trying to reach them to get them to

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 1>get him to do it. But but no, there is

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>no excuse. And some people saying where she's old, so what,

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.399
<v Speaker 1>she should still be held accountable even if she don't

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>go to prison. All right, you wanna put in prison,

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:58.439
<v Speaker 1>charge her, arrest her, execute that warrant from nine, hold

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:03.319
<v Speaker 1>her accountable. She said to a journalist a few years

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>ago that that Emma didn't do anything. She's pretty much

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 1>admitted to identifying him. She is an accomplice in his desk. Yes, absolutely,

0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 1>this is this is something you know. Reparation isn't just

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>about money or about land. It's also about healing and

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and and fixing certain wrongs, healing, dealing with trauma and

0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:32.560
<v Speaker 1>there there's not an experience really in this century, a

0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:36.319
<v Speaker 1>singular incident there was more traumatic than the death of

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Emma too. M that's the that's the real well Mark.

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>We would love to talk to you all day, but

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 1>we got a tight ship today. Man, We got a

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 1>tight show man as usual. You you bring the heat,

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you come with historical facts, and you speaking like nobody

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>else could speaking with mar got it. I need to

0:49:57.480 --> 0:49:59.919
<v Speaker 1>get the cupcake speech for my song because I don't

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:06.840
<v Speaker 1>think he heard it. I don't think he no go

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 1>you check it out. It was. It was horrible, and

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>he put down all the brothers locked up. He put

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 1>down all the brothers for the closing with and he

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>even made fun of our names, African names, Muslim names.

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 1>He said we shouldn't be nick names and called chick

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 1>calling our kids Mohammed, and we were invented Howard, you know,

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Dick Gregor is hilarious. After he finished, because Nick was

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>getting a ward, Dick walks up to him. He said, maw,

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:33.200
<v Speaker 1>don't you cover say nothing like that when I'm on

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:35.880
<v Speaker 1>stage with you. You crazy, you know, And and just

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:37.759
<v Speaker 1>again a little bit more he should just in terms

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of just give a little tidbit. Bill was put on

0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 1>by Dick. Dick left the stage, left the nightclub scene,

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:48.359
<v Speaker 1>the comedy stage to join Dr King. But he still

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.959
<v Speaker 1>had all these dates all right that he had to work.

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 1>He gave those to Bill and put Bill on. There

0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 1>was an incident in the Playboy Club in the sixties,

0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Playboy Mansion. Everybody went to in party. There was a

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.040
<v Speaker 1>pair of white comedians. They had their own show. Someonell

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 1>remembered that some who are old enough, the Smothers brothers.

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.080
<v Speaker 1>They were speaking out against Vietnam War. Dick was speaking

0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 1>out against Vietnam War. Uh Rowan and Martin was another

0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 1>popular show. All these shows were speaking out against Vietnam War.

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 1>The only comedian who wasn't was Bill Cosby. They confronted

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 1>him at the Playboy Man. So many the movement puts

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.319
<v Speaker 1>you on. Bill, you wouldn't be on if it weren't

0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.359
<v Speaker 1>for Dick Gregory in the movement when you're gonna speak

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 1>out against some of these injustices, and Bill said, I'm

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:28.879
<v Speaker 1>just I'm not gonna do that. So that's Bill. That's

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 1>been his history. And Bill needs to be held accountable

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 1>for all of that as well as to me too.

0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:37.759
<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying we were done with Bill already. The

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Cosby Show was great. It was cute, but at the

0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:42.400
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, where do you stand on our issues?

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 1>And Bill, Bill just wasn't there. Well, Mark, you gotta

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>come back because we're gonna talk because be Cosby Show

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 1>was my whole life. So it wasn't cute. It was very,

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:55.720
<v Speaker 1>very critical. And we're gonna talk about all the shows.

0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I think we should do that one day, just kicking

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.799
<v Speaker 1>about the shows and what those shows, how how they

0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:04.359
<v Speaker 1>all impacted us from good times and you know, just

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>take it back and think through, um, you know, some

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>of the good old days, and we should do it

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:12.880
<v Speaker 1>in person. We love you, Revord Mark Thompson. Thank peace,

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:21.280
<v Speaker 1>King Peace Peace. That's as usual, man, the good Reverend

0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:25.280
<v Speaker 1>doctor Mark Mark Mark Thompson as we call him, always

0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:28.000
<v Speaker 1>drive and used and there's a lot to unpack. Man.

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:32.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, just listen to him like like he pretty

0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:34.760
<v Speaker 1>much agrees with us. There's no reason why this woman

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.600
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have been charged and shouldn't still be charged. You know,

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I never and I never knew that they actually issued

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the warrant. That's crazy. But you know, every time you

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 1>talk to Monk, you gonna give you some history that

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:49.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't even know about. Man. So I always appreciate him,

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 1>No really, I mean I agree with you. I didn't

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:56.160
<v Speaker 1>know about the warrant um and how I was never executed.

0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think that what we learned from, you know,

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and also just listening to Mark give you more whether

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you agree with uh, you know, his position and many

0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:10.319
<v Speaker 1>different people's position on Steve on Bill Cosby or not. Um.

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:12.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, one thing you do have to recognize is

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 1>that there's a history of you know, when people violate

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.359
<v Speaker 1>the black community. It's like it just kind of like

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.239
<v Speaker 1>goes to it just goes to the wayside. It's it's

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 1>not important. But then of course when they do things

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 1>that agreed just to another community, then the world expects

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.520
<v Speaker 1>us to jump on it and you know, be a

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.799
<v Speaker 1>part of the crusade to destroy them. And I don't

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:41.400
<v Speaker 1>think that there's anything wrong withholding people accountable, but I

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 1>do know that the hypocrisy is what makes folks start

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 1>feel they find themselves even defending things that they know

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 1>is wrong, because they get to it's like the Kanye piece,

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.280
<v Speaker 1>like when he was saying all the disrespectful things against

0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 1>black people and and saying anti black things because of

0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that no one it wasn't a big media story,

0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was no companies canceling him. People made

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.879
<v Speaker 1>all types of excuses about why, well, you know, we're

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:14.240
<v Speaker 1>not we can't really say for sure that it's anti black.

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 1>But then of course when this when when another community

0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:21.760
<v Speaker 1>is harmed by the things that he said, then it's like, okay,

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 1>well everybody should get behind tearing you know, him to shreds.

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:29.720
<v Speaker 1>And I think accountability just has to be more across

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the board. We have to be accountable in every single corner,

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 1>because once we do that, then people will feel comfortable

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:40.800
<v Speaker 1>saying right is right and wrong is wrong. That's a fact.

0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, and that brings me to my

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it. We was talking about Jerry Jones

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and and Mom brought up, you know, Lebron's position. And

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 1>what I don't get right is because I'm critical of

0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:00.399
<v Speaker 1>you when you do When you do wrong, ship, I'm

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna call you out. But when you do right, ship,

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call you. I'm I'm also say, yo, you

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 1>did something right right. And a lot of us take time,

0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 1>we make mistakes. We we you know, we fall off

0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:13.200
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, We don't see clearly or certain things,

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 1>and so many people are mad like, oh now Lebron

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:18.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to get back in our good graces. Bron has

0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:21.080
<v Speaker 1>said a lot of things that I agree with. He's

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 1>he stood up on a lot of different, you know,

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 1>issues in that regard black people. He's he's, he's he's

0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:31.080
<v Speaker 1>to use this platform a bunch of times. And then

0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 1>there's times that I didn't think he was just strong.

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:35.120
<v Speaker 1>That that happens all the time. No, none of us

0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:39.399
<v Speaker 1>are perfect, but I don't get this narrative in this

0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:44.160
<v Speaker 1>position that people take that you're too late to do

0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the right thing or you're too late to speak up. Now,

0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:49.839
<v Speaker 1>don't speak up in that like are isn't our job?

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Isn't this what we say that our black influencers and

0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:56.799
<v Speaker 1>people who have platforms and who have levels of celebrity,

0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:59.359
<v Speaker 1>that we want them to speak on our behalf. So

0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 1>some of them are not, they get they catch up

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 1>a little slower, some of them don't understand certain things.

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that our job, you know, as a community to

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.520
<v Speaker 1>want to see them progress, to want to see them

0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:12.400
<v Speaker 1>be on the right side and say the right things.

0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:14.920
<v Speaker 1>So I think it's I don't get why we want

0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 1>to discourage those same people from speaking of because it's like,

0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 1>damn if you do, damn if you don't. When you

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:23.479
<v Speaker 1>see the person doing the right thing and they're saying

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:25.279
<v Speaker 1>the right things and they're standing on the right side

0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:28.640
<v Speaker 1>of history, and then and then representing this culture properly,

0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't salute them the same way you want to tam

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 1>down when they don't do it the same way. When

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:36.160
<v Speaker 1>he said what he said about Kyrie, everybody was all

0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:39.319
<v Speaker 1>the wrongness, and that he had, he took a time

0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to reflect. You know, he reflected, He thought about it.

0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 1>He said, damn, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.400
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't the right even I don't know, I shouldn't

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 1>have said that. I think I'm not I don't know

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.080
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm saying. Maybe I said, maybe he said.

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what he thought, but I know that

0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:57.440
<v Speaker 1>when he sat down and he made this statement, it

0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:01.400
<v Speaker 1>looked like reflection because he even brought when when Kyrie said,

0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:05.000
<v Speaker 1>look what happens he said, I know who I am,

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and I need you to keep the same energy when

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:09.680
<v Speaker 1>we talk about things that happened with our people. He

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:11.920
<v Speaker 1>sat there and he thought about what that meant. He

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, he probably at that point, he probably didn't

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 1>understand exactly what was going on, But when you sat

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>back and you listen, he probably had a conference. I

0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:21.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know what it was, but I know that at

0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:25.520
<v Speaker 1>this point he was very strong and letting you know

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:28.920
<v Speaker 1>that black people have been wronged and with and is

0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:32.960
<v Speaker 1>not taken with the same level of vigor and energy

0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:36.960
<v Speaker 1>that y'all give to everybody else's atrocities and things that happened.

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:38.720
<v Speaker 1>He said, this is one of the major things that

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:41.439
<v Speaker 1>happened to black people when those when those seven kids

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 1>were denied to go into that school. Those are historical

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:48.800
<v Speaker 1>things that scarred the black culture and community forever, and

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>we have to deal with those things and they shouldn't

0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:53.600
<v Speaker 1>just be glossed over, because when we do something that

0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:56.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't like, you know you're not gonna gloss over.

0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:59.120
<v Speaker 1>So for me, I just don't get why we as

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.640
<v Speaker 1>a people don't understand that we have to give our

0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>own people grace. None of us are perfect, none of

0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:06.280
<v Speaker 1>us are gonna get it right every time. But when

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:10.160
<v Speaker 1>you see somebody who has those platforms and can lose,

0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's gonna deal with certain backlash because they stand on,

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:16.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, certain principles, you gotta we gotta, we gotta

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:18.520
<v Speaker 1>fuel that, you know what I'm saying. We gotta lift

0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:20.600
<v Speaker 1>them up. We gotta celebrate that the same that were

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the same way we tear down when they don't do

0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it well. I I agree with you, but I just

0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:27.040
<v Speaker 1>want to make I just want to make it clear

0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:31.000
<v Speaker 1>because I don't want us to romanticize stories in order

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 1>for it to be more convenient. It may just be

0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:39.880
<v Speaker 1>simply that he still agrees with his initial point that

0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:44.880
<v Speaker 1>he thinks sharing a video without context was wrong for Kyrie,

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and as he reflected on what probably what upset people

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 1>so much in that moment, he knows that racism and

0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 1>hypocrisy exists, and that black folks are always on the

0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 1>shore at end of the stick. Right. It doesn't mean

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that you can't see him and say, you know, I

0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:07.880
<v Speaker 1>can sit here and say about my child, you know

0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:11.320
<v Speaker 1>you did this, and I'm piste off about it. Look

0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 1>at me yesterday. Yesterday I told him off about three

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:17.040
<v Speaker 1>different things, gave him three points and really gave him

0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 1>a piece of my mind. And you know how I

0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>give piece of my mind. Um, But then I still

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:23.960
<v Speaker 1>turned down and came in and made him some dinner

0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:25.920
<v Speaker 1>and helped him do some of the things he needed

0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.520
<v Speaker 1>to do right. So we can we can do those

0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:31.680
<v Speaker 1>two things at the same time. And I think that

0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 1>on this last point is what we're dealing with here

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:38.760
<v Speaker 1>is humans, right, Humans that for the most part try

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to get it right. Lebron tries to get it right

0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 1>for the most part. There nobody is perfect. Sometimes our

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 1>ideas and our thoughts, it's not even just old. Maybe

0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:54.880
<v Speaker 1>he thought he or he rethought it. He just might

0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 1>not agree with us and we don't have the same

0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:01.760
<v Speaker 1>opinion on something. Sometimes that's like sometimes I don't think,

1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think. I don't think that's what I was saying. No, no, no,

1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying you are. I read the comments. I'm sorry,

1:00:08.880 --> 1:00:12.560
<v Speaker 1>So I read the comments. I saw people in the comments,

1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:15.760
<v Speaker 1>not on your page, but all over saying things like, oh,

1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:18.040
<v Speaker 1>now you want to change his opinion. Now he want

1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to say things, the things to get back in the

1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:22.480
<v Speaker 1>good graces. I don't know if I think it's getting

1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:24.880
<v Speaker 1>back in the good graces. I think he just is

1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a man that said what he felt then and he's

1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:30.560
<v Speaker 1>saying what he feels now. He can he can say

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:32.920
<v Speaker 1>you and I can have a difference of opinion on

1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:38.960
<v Speaker 1>point A and still know that hypocrisy and racism leans

1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:42.720
<v Speaker 1>on black people the most, and that even though what

1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:47.479
<v Speaker 1>Kyrie posted is not something that Lebron stands behind, even

1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Kyrie said there's things in the film that he doesn't

1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:53.960
<v Speaker 1>agree with, So we already have made that clear, but

1:00:54.080 --> 1:00:57.440
<v Speaker 1>we can still acknowledge that Jerry Jones, and let me

1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 1>just add Brett fard In a bunch of other white

1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:04.640
<v Speaker 1>people have wrong the black community, and they have not

1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:08.440
<v Speaker 1>been held to the same standards as someone who posted

1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:12.760
<v Speaker 1>a movie and didn't make the movie and doesn't sell

1:01:12.880 --> 1:01:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the movie, but the people who sell it, who are

1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:18.560
<v Speaker 1>also white people, have not been canceled in the same way.

1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:23.080
<v Speaker 1>As as as as what Kyrie experience, well, well, once again,

1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give a little pushback because I don't think

1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of us, most of I mean,

1:01:28.320 --> 1:01:30.560
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, there are people who are saying,

1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:34.360
<v Speaker 1>you know that he did, he shouldn't have felt the

1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:37.360
<v Speaker 1>way I think. For me, my my whole issue with

1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't how you felt, because you could have felt there

1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people felt like them. I don't think

1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:44.880
<v Speaker 1>he should have posted that or this and that. But

1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:47.760
<v Speaker 1>you weren't supposed to say that on TV. That wasn't

1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:50.640
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a conversation that you had because prior

1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to Jerry Jones, prior to Brett fag this America has

1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:59.000
<v Speaker 1>had a history of lynch in the black man, or

1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:02.640
<v Speaker 1>or prosecute black men, or publicizing everything. So it didn't

1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:05.400
<v Speaker 1>just happened. He knows that, he knows that whenever a

1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:08.480
<v Speaker 1>black athlete or black person does something, we're gonna be

1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:11.160
<v Speaker 1>criticized way more than everybody else. That didn't just happen.

1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:15.000
<v Speaker 1>So I think when he realized them, I utilized my

1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:18.840
<v Speaker 1>voice to pile onto another black man and nobody, no

1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:21.720
<v Speaker 1>other white man is gonna do that. That's never gonna happen.

1:02:21.760 --> 1:02:25.120
<v Speaker 1>It hasn't happened in history. So I think my personal

1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:27.840
<v Speaker 1>thing is he reflected and said them that I was

1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:30.120
<v Speaker 1>wrong for that. I wasn't wrong for how I feel.

1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:33.080
<v Speaker 1>My opinion of it really doesn't change. But I didn't

1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:35.840
<v Speaker 1>have to utilize my voice. There's a bunch of people

1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:39.640
<v Speaker 1>that didn't utilize their boys. They are all hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>athletes that refused to make any commentary on country. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think what he did, Drang was if that was

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion, you should have kept that opinion to yourself. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta let's make sure we put this at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of our next show because I still have pushback

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<v Speaker 1>and I won't even give it to day. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I will say is that Lebron is a leader and

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<v Speaker 1>thats in a lot of directions, and when you know

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<v Speaker 1>he's asked to speak on certain issues, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that he has to speak on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a leader, he can't just be like every

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<v Speaker 1>other person that doesn't have anything to say. However, how

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<v Speaker 1>you say what you say is very very important. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the way several people spoke about Kyrie

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<v Speaker 1>Um in the ways and you know, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>ways in which they spoke about him, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>it should have been Um done differently. Let's just put

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<v Speaker 1>it that way. So let's talk about it again at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of another show. UM, And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>it for today pretty much. First of all, let me

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<v Speaker 1>shut UM. Shout out Budee Brand, Black Owned. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the hoodie. You know, I've got my Black Effect hat.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally got my Black Effect. Shout out the Black Effect. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>sit down with the stand up. Since we're dropping, then

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<v Speaker 1>episode is gonna be a small little clipping here, so

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<v Speaker 1>y'all can look forward as me interviewing my man g depth.

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<v Speaker 1>If we don't know g Depp is, he was signed

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<v Speaker 1>to Bad Boy in a night the late nineties. He

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<v Speaker 1>went to prison for a murder that he committed twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years prior to going to prison, He actually turned himself

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<v Speaker 1>in because his conscious hurt. Nobody was looking for him.

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<v Speaker 1>The warrant nobody even knew he did it, and now

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<v Speaker 1>he's up for um. The lawyer who prosecuted him is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get him clemency, and the judge and the

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer saying that they think he should be granted clemency

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<v Speaker 1>after being in jail for twelve years. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to listen to this compelling interview. Shoutout to g

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<v Speaker 1>Depth sitting down with the stand ups coming soon. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot of it's gonna be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I don't know if you're comfortable with just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it, but there's is a lot of young

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<v Speaker 1>kids and a lot of them aren't privy to the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the story of what happened, like I

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<v Speaker 1>know and people from I ever more than likely. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but just a little more of what what was it

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<v Speaker 1>that you turned yourself into? What happened? Not I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need you to give me details. You know. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that you really comfortable, but just it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like explaining what happened. But yeah, well you know it was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because before you know, I came I came up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying? In the uh in the

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<v Speaker 1>rat you know, industry and the music industry. Guys. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. You know, you know I was

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<v Speaker 1>out in the street throwing things. You know that I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really have been you know that I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any business doing, you know what I'm saying. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things things went you know, less I wind up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. You know catching you know,

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<v Speaker 1>permitted committing a robbery, you know what I'm saying, and

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<v Speaker 1>wind up. You know some you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>persons that it was involved, you know that got got killed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. So you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of those things where it wasn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I didn't I didn't know either, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm meaning. But it was just one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that you know, just was heavy on my heart

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<v Speaker 1>for while, you know what I'm saying. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, years went by, and then you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>just had you know, I wanted to, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of bring some closure to the whole situation,

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<v Speaker 1>to the whole you know, to the family or whatever whoever,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever you know was connected to this man. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. I was, I was connected to this

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<v Speaker 1>man at this point, you're what I'm saying. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just you know, I investigate. I did my own,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my own investigation, and you know, come to

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<v Speaker 1>find out. And when I say I did my own investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I turned myself in. You know what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying it you know long behold though you know I

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<v Speaker 1>had passed away, so you know, getting here I have

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. So that's what that's what,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what that you know it was all about. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear more about your concept of what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>uh in our next show. So let's still put that

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<v Speaker 1>at the top. That put a pin in it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put a pin in it, you know. So that

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to the end of another episode. Shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to the Great Reverend Mark Thompson in his historical views

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<v Speaker 1>that always keep me mind boggle because I don't be

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<v Speaker 1>knowing half the stuff and he always that's my historian

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<v Speaker 1>man him Angelo. I go to them and they give

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<v Speaker 1>me all of the Jews and the history that I need.

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<v Speaker 1>So shout out to him for being on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to you, miss Mallory, even though you wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>visual this got you got this little picture here up

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<v Speaker 1>here that we get to see. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>you know that everybody else get to see it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's a smiling picture of Taim because she just did smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>So shout out to you and shout out tie audience

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