Speaker 1: What's up. Family. It's your girl to meet you, Mallory,
Speaker 1: and it's your boy and my son in general, and
Speaker 1: we are your host of street politicians, the place and
Speaker 1: politics meet well, Mr Lennon, it's a new week. Are
Speaker 1: you feeling Timica. I'm feeling good, feeling good. People can't
Speaker 1: see me today, but you can surely hear me as always.
Speaker 1: Shut up? What is that supposed to me? You can't
Speaker 1: see me, but you can hear me. Like, what exactly
Speaker 1: would make you say? As always? I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: say that you have a very loud you project yourself. Okay,
Speaker 1: So basically I got a big mouth. That's cool. You
Speaker 1: said that, not me, I said you project Yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: you got a big mouth. Uh. Let's see what's going
Speaker 1: on in the world. Let me tell you something. You know,
Speaker 1: something happened other day and it really got me to
Speaker 1: understanding how much our privacy is being invaded in our
Speaker 1: in this society, and just how careful people have to
Speaker 1: be because, um, when returning to New York from Porsche's wedding,
Speaker 1: I found this this It was like a lot of traffic.
Speaker 1: If you ever been to the Atlanta UH Airport, especially
Speaker 1: the Delta terminal. Um, you know how crazy it is
Speaker 1: to be able to when it's apt whenever there is traffic,
Speaker 1: especially after a holiday week. Um, you know, people it
Speaker 1: is very difficult to get on the ramp for departures,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of times, uh, some of the
Speaker 1: drivers will go downstairs. Uh and then you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of go through and go upstairs through the escalators
Speaker 1: and what have you. It's a little trick, but uh,
Speaker 1: just so happens that there's a new t s a
Speaker 1: pre check express area. So it's like an exclusive room
Speaker 1: that if you have t estate pre check, you go
Speaker 1: there and you can uh you know, go quick through
Speaker 1: the process and they check your bag downstairs. It's it's
Speaker 1: really got. It has to be fairly new because we
Speaker 1: go to Atlanta all the time. No one has ever
Speaker 1: even mentioned it space to me. But the crazy thing
Speaker 1: is that when you go inside of the room, you
Speaker 1: walk up to some machines, and at least with like
Speaker 1: the clear machines, you gotta let get your face and
Speaker 1: your eyes right in front of the thing, and it
Speaker 1: tells you that they can't find you several times because
Speaker 1: you need your eyes to be correctly like in the
Speaker 1: square in the box. But this thing, it's a big
Speaker 1: old camera somehow, and it just scans your face and
Speaker 1: all your information pops up and you check your bag
Speaker 1: right there. You don't gotta do nothing, you don't gotta
Speaker 1: scan eyes, you don't do anything, or you just do
Speaker 1: is walk in, you stand there and it's scans your face.
Speaker 1: It captures you just standing there and all your information
Speaker 1: comes up. And I'm like, that's got to be the
Speaker 1: same type of technology, facial recognition that is really becoming
Speaker 1: a thing all over the world, but certainly even in
Speaker 1: the US it's becoming a thing. Like on American streets
Speaker 1: it's you. You you can't do anything with these people
Speaker 1: where they don't see you. And I've been saying that
Speaker 1: for a long time, and that just proves my point,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're telling but I'm like, you're going
Speaker 1: to people going to jail. Man, Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what people think is going on in these streets. I
Speaker 1: don't know. If you I tell people all time crime
Speaker 1: is over. If you think you're gonna commit a crime,
Speaker 1: especially in New York City in America period, you're not
Speaker 1: getting away with it. They got they got temperature scans,
Speaker 1: they got facial resignition scans, they got retina scans, they
Speaker 1: got um computing. Now they're sitting out what they said,
Speaker 1: Now they're sitting out, Oh, robots that can shoot like
Speaker 1: it's we just in a time where you have to
Speaker 1: be very savvy, very intelligent. You have to have a
Speaker 1: lot of discernment, and you gotta make very wise decisions.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch every movie you make, because they're watching
Speaker 1: every move you make, you know, So I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's a very scary thing that you just walk
Speaker 1: into a place and this ship you ain't gonna position
Speaker 1: your face no way of anything, and from any angle
Speaker 1: this machine is able to capture you and and bring
Speaker 1: up your whole history. That's crazy. That is I mean,
Speaker 1: And I think I'm not explaining it properly because it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you know it recognized your face, but it's not
Speaker 1: you don't even have to, like you didn't know. It's
Speaker 1: from any angle you walk in and the ship just
Speaker 1: immediately scanned and realizes you from the side. You wasn't
Speaker 1: inside the camera. You didn't have to look, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to be stationary, you were just mere moving. Initial
Speaker 1: is coach and even a picture where they showed it.
Speaker 1: It was like sideways. That's crazy though, like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: blown away by I I mean I just seeing that,
Speaker 1: I was like wow, like our privacy is really being invaded.
Speaker 1: And but the crazy thing is like they got all
Speaker 1: this technology and can't find none of the people that
Speaker 1: kill people or or or uh not none of them
Speaker 1: because some people have been apprehended. But a lot of
Speaker 1: times that's happening because the community is doing its own
Speaker 1: police work by telling where what they think is had
Speaker 1: you know, what happened to an individual or some reason,
Speaker 1: um sanction I tell you all the time. A lot
Speaker 1: of it is is state sanction violence. And people are
Speaker 1: getting away because they want them to get away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and all of the missing people and the and
Speaker 1: the people who have been sex traffic they don't have
Speaker 1: no they don't have no information or none of that.
Speaker 1: But I tell you what they do know is how
Speaker 1: to keep your information and your your your and and
Speaker 1: and and and basically be able to keep you on
Speaker 1: record for whatever the American government's pleasure. Maybe it's just
Speaker 1: very strange, but anyways, And the bottom line is, as
Speaker 1: you said, crime does not pay. And speaking of crime
Speaker 1: and how it doesn't pay. It's like it's such a
Speaker 1: conflicting issue because on one hand, it's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we are out here telling people crime doesn't pay, but
Speaker 1: we also have to recognize the realities of how uh
Speaker 1: you know, the moment that we're in, especially when it
Speaker 1: comes to the holiday season, creates desperation. And so now
Speaker 1: that I saw that door Dash has laid off and
Speaker 1: fifty employees, and then all types of other companies from Amazon,
Speaker 1: we know Meta Um has laid off a bunch of people.
Speaker 1: They've been talking about laying off like a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Uh Twitter, we see all the crazy stuff that's going
Speaker 1: on with Twitter, people walking out, you know, people being
Speaker 1: laid off. Then you have HP, which I think that
Speaker 1: HP is Hewlett Packard still but they may be rebranded
Speaker 1: to just HP Lift. So these are all companies that
Speaker 1: have laid off individuals, and you know, again especially during
Speaker 1: the holiday time. And I'm just trying to figure out
Speaker 1: so many of these corporations were able to get the
Speaker 1: p p P and the bailouts and everything during COVID
Speaker 1: and D you know, during the pandemic. How is it
Speaker 1: that you do all of that and still lay off
Speaker 1: the employees. And then the folks ain't got no job.
Speaker 1: And then we over here telling them crime don't pay.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because crowd could obviously the
Speaker 1: job don't pay either. So that's how people saying, Man,
Speaker 1: the job ain't paying because the job is cutting us off,
Speaker 1: so we ain't getting paid. So the only job we
Speaker 1: got his crime. So we we gotta figure this out.
Speaker 1: This this economy, just the way that things are going.
Speaker 1: And it brings me to something I was looking at. Um.
Speaker 1: It's this lawyer that I watched. He does like little
Speaker 1: hip hop lawyer. He always explains like little things. I
Speaker 1: forgot his name, but he was talking about Nike and
Speaker 1: Adidas and how they they're they're cutting off, they're cutting
Speaker 1: the stopping their distribution by thirty and he was talking
Speaker 1: about how China and Russia ain't buying them air products
Speaker 1: no more and it's actually going down. So that that
Speaker 1: feeds to my boycott Nike. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: People are all Nike gonna know, they need they need
Speaker 1: us now more than ever. So that's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say. I were consistent about what we do with
Speaker 1: our money, and consistent about making people respect us. Then
Speaker 1: the leverage that we can have, you know, then we
Speaker 1: can we start and if we start just focusing on
Speaker 1: black owned organizations and companies and brands anyway, then we
Speaker 1: can empower and we can employ our own people. You
Speaker 1: understand I'm saying during these seasons, if we own businesses,
Speaker 1: if we own corporations, we can make sure that because
Speaker 1: most of the marginalized and people who are gonna suffer
Speaker 1: in these times being cut off or people from our communities,
Speaker 1: so we never employ our our own people instead of
Speaker 1: you know, letting these brands do and say and and
Speaker 1: treat us anyway they want to. So I hope that
Speaker 1: gives that's like a lesson to some of y'all. Man,
Speaker 1: don't be scared, fight sometimes. Don't be scared fights sometimes,
Speaker 1: but fight with accurate information. You know, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: in my thought of the day. We've been talking a
Speaker 1: lot lately, I said last week on the show, and
Speaker 1: it actually was one of the first clips that was
Speaker 1: put out. Um, you know about about our show from
Speaker 1: last week. Shout out to our brother to Bet, who
Speaker 1: is one of the senior Yeah, he one of the
Speaker 1: senior strategist for Steve Harvey and you know, we were
Speaker 1: talking about how dangerous the internet is, and an example
Speaker 1: of that happened like right after the interview. Has been
Speaker 1: going on for the last few days. You know, first
Speaker 1: of all, at the point that we're taping this, UM,
Speaker 1: you know, this information is up to date. But by
Speaker 1: the time the show airs, is very possible uh that
Speaker 1: things have changed, and we'll make sure to report on it.
Speaker 1: At that time. However, I watched some a blog put
Speaker 1: out some information UM about Schankula Robinson, an update to
Speaker 1: the situation with her and getting justice for Shanquala, and
Speaker 1: they said that that the first thing that went out
Speaker 1: which was verified and true, that there was a arrest
Speaker 1: waarrant uh now active for one of the individuals involved
Speaker 1: in the direct attack. Now we all assume that it
Speaker 1: is uh the woman Dejane. However, we don't know that
Speaker 1: because that's not what the FBI stated. They did not
Speaker 1: put that information out, and they also did not tell
Speaker 1: the Robinson family at least. I spoke to shan Quala's
Speaker 1: mother and sister about this, and they did not hear
Speaker 1: directly from the FBI who the arrest saarant is for UM,
Speaker 1: but they did receive information that there was in a
Speaker 1: restaurant and also at the extradition process, UM was attached
Speaker 1: to the warrant. Then I saw a blog post that UM,
Speaker 1: you know, she was arrested and her family has had
Speaker 1: not has not heard that at this point, her family
Speaker 1: has not heard from the FDR. Now, it could be
Speaker 1: two problems. One, I think the Internet they want clicks
Speaker 1: and lights so much that people there are some people
Speaker 1: I used to say, well, it's not intentional, it might
Speaker 1: have been a mistake, and now I'm starting to think, nah,
Speaker 1: it's actually very intentional. There are people who report things
Speaker 1: that's untrue on purpose so that they could draw folks
Speaker 1: to their pages and you know, and get get more followers.
Speaker 1: So one, you know, I'm not about to give them
Speaker 1: because you didn't verify, you can't verify it. I got
Speaker 1: a call from one of the major blogs asking me, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I want to report on this story,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking up the woman's name in the system.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find her. You know, we're doing the
Speaker 1: checks and balances that we have and there's no one
Speaker 1: literally and and also the FBI were calls to them.
Speaker 1: No one is confirming that this person has been arrested,
Speaker 1: which would align with the fact that the FBI never
Speaker 1: called her mom to tell her that, um that the
Speaker 1: person has been arrested. So that tells me that people
Speaker 1: just put anything on the internet and we all that
Speaker 1: includes me, It certainly includes you because you know I'm
Speaker 1: always beating up on you. But we have to be
Speaker 1: real careful about information we share that we see, even
Speaker 1: when we see it on someone's page that we actually
Speaker 1: you know that we know and trust. Because this morning
Speaker 1: it was on the Ricky Smiley Show, they put out
Speaker 1: that the young lady was arrested and and that's actually
Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, that we know of I think, I
Speaker 1: think what it happens is a lot of people and
Speaker 1: and we're all guilty of it. Right when when you
Speaker 1: find something that supports the narrative that you want, or
Speaker 1: something that feeds into energy that you actually wanted, you
Speaker 1: want to believe, you want something to support your own theory, right,
Speaker 1: your own ideology and your own feeling. Like people want
Speaker 1: this girl to be arrested, So soon it's anywhere that
Speaker 1: gets posted, people gonna be like yes, because they want
Speaker 1: that that's actually what they want. Even when when you
Speaker 1: see and I tell people that all the time. When
Speaker 1: you when you put the post up negative about somebody,
Speaker 1: that's because you just want to believe that because you
Speaker 1: didn't do any research. You didn't search, you didn't because
Speaker 1: it's easy to dispel myths, right, So I think that's
Speaker 1: what happens. A lot of us post things to support
Speaker 1: our own feelings, our own emotions, our own theories, you know,
Speaker 1: and and sometimes we don't check them because we already
Speaker 1: in our mind believe it's true anyway. So we just
Speaker 1: feel like somebody just confirmed what we already know. When
Speaker 1: you know, on all actuality, especially when you have huge
Speaker 1: platforms and you have people who follow you for information
Speaker 1: and they believe that the information you give is accurate,
Speaker 1: you have to do to due diligence. You have to
Speaker 1: do the research. Because I've seen you. As soon as
Speaker 1: you see that post, you wanted to post it. But
Speaker 1: he was like, well, I ain't see this nowhere. Let
Speaker 1: me let me start looking around, let me make some
Speaker 1: cool let me call you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: you understand that you have a responsibility. You understand that
Speaker 1: people actually believe what you say. So if you want
Speaker 1: to remain credible, you know what I'm saying, you have
Speaker 1: to do the work to remain credible. So all these sites, man,
Speaker 1: you ain't got to rush to be first. Sometimes if
Speaker 1: you last, and you gotta right and you get the
Speaker 1: story right exactly like getting the story right. It's so
Speaker 1: helpful and the families and other people will come to
Speaker 1: you with exclusive information when they see that you have
Speaker 1: integrity in terms of what you posted. And I got
Speaker 1: into it on a blog and it's the same blog,
Speaker 1: well I don't think so. In fact, it was in
Speaker 1: And I don't know why I'm even calling these pages
Speaker 1: blogs because we need to get that straight to blogs.
Speaker 1: Some blogs, many blogs are actually reputable sources that do
Speaker 1: try their best to you know, look into the story
Speaker 1: ease and put out accurate information. So when I say blogs,
Speaker 1: I need to be very very careful with that. Some
Speaker 1: of them is just pages, just uh Instagram page where
Speaker 1: somebody is talking running names. They call a blog. Now
Speaker 1: mostly I'm telling you these people who have give their
Speaker 1: themselves names and titles, and all they do is got
Speaker 1: a YouTube page that anybody could get or Instagram page
Speaker 1: and they call it a blog and then they get
Speaker 1: enough people to follow and believe it. That's that's what
Speaker 1: it's turned into. It's no, there's no fact check, there's
Speaker 1: no credibility, there's no resonme. People don't even know who
Speaker 1: you are. But they followed you, and you said a
Speaker 1: couple of words that resonated. Wouldn't want to twice and
Speaker 1: now you would come to their source of information. So well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and so on this particular thing, they were
Speaker 1: still they were running the narrative that dejan Ay, which
Speaker 1: which is believed to be the woman who was attacking
Speaker 1: chicuag chant Quala, that she is a trans woman. So
Speaker 1: that narrative started somewhere and as soon as I saw it,
Speaker 1: because I wanted to be you know, very I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure that if it's true, you know, and
Speaker 1: and it it's true, it's true, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: It's being stated of just nothing anyone could do about
Speaker 1: it because if it's true, it's true. But if it
Speaker 1: is not true, we do not need to um, you know,
Speaker 1: increase or let me not say increase, but exploit a
Speaker 1: narrative that can be dangerous for anybody. So for instance,
Speaker 1: it's not good for uh, someone to say, oh, there
Speaker 1: was a robbery downtown uh and and I bet you
Speaker 1: was black people that did it, right or a black
Speaker 1: man that did it. We don't want to do that
Speaker 1: because we know what those types of narratives, what it
Speaker 1: does to our community, what it does to any particular community.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say, oh, I bet you
Speaker 1: a white a white man. Uh, you know it did
Speaker 1: X y Z thing. We all have those biases that
Speaker 1: exist within us, but we have to be really careful
Speaker 1: about that. So when people start saying, oh, what it
Speaker 1: was a transperson, I'm like, let me call and check
Speaker 1: and you know, and and found out about this, And
Speaker 1: of course I called and spoke to she han't quillas sister.
Speaker 1: She and Quila not wonderfol she ain't quill us so
Speaker 1: bad because her sister's name is Quila, um uh to Quila.
Speaker 1: So I called her and I'm asking her, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what I've heard. Can you confirm to you know?
Speaker 1: And she said, I don't believe that that's true. She said,
Speaker 1: we saw it online as well, but they actually met
Speaker 1: the woman. Uh and you know they you know know,
Speaker 1: several friends and people around and they said that they
Speaker 1: don't believe that that is true. So I got tagged
Speaker 1: on a video where someone is like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: Tamika Mallory's not gonna say anything about this. I bet
Speaker 1: you she's too scared to speak on this issue. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you? Like? What? I well, I
Speaker 1: don't even understand what that means and why people are
Speaker 1: so ignorant. So I and and they'd love to go
Speaker 1: back and forth with me and tell me, you know
Speaker 1: all the reasons why I'm wrong. So I asked, Hey,
Speaker 1: this person, because this is a person commenting on a
Speaker 1: page which they probably call themselves a blog, I asked,
Speaker 1: you know, do you know that this person that posted
Speaker 1: this do you know them? And do you know for
Speaker 1: sure that they are in touch with uh dejaney or
Speaker 1: someone connected to her that has confirmed this information? How
Speaker 1: do they know? Did they get it from the internet?
Speaker 1: Have you questioned them about why they're posting this type
Speaker 1: of the information? And I said, and why would you
Speaker 1: think that? As a person who has a I'm trying
Speaker 1: my best to have an authentic brand and authentic voice.
Speaker 1: Although I'm not perfect, but I try. If I put
Speaker 1: out inaccurate information like what does that say about me
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't need? They go I'm gonna target a
Speaker 1: community that's already dealing with. I hold, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of things, and and and being marginalized, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go target that community because the Internet says something,
Speaker 1: and not because I know for sure that this information
Speaker 1: that's being put out there is truth. Why would I
Speaker 1: do that? And you know what crickets I've heard because
Speaker 1: people can't. They just people just want to find a
Speaker 1: reason to find fault. Right. People say, oh, you won't
Speaker 1: speak on that. We get that all the time. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be quiet on this. You you you pick and choose.
Speaker 1: You're did right now, pick and choose. I pick and
Speaker 1: choose the issues that I believe in. Right. I can't
Speaker 1: fight on the issue or talk about something first of all,
Speaker 1: that I'm either not knowledgeable of or I don't have
Speaker 1: any real energy for some ship. It doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: like I see it, and I'm like, damn, okay, but
Speaker 1: I don't. That's not my forte. Certain things that go
Speaker 1: on in the world that even affect black people. There's
Speaker 1: certain things that I'm not that knowledgeable of, so I
Speaker 1: don't speak on them. I might say that I think
Speaker 1: it's wrong, but when I'm adamant about something, it's because
Speaker 1: I'm learned in it, I've studied it, our understand the
Speaker 1: dynamics of it. I believe it to be more than
Speaker 1: likely accurate, not ninety nine point nine percent accurate about
Speaker 1: things that I speak up. And I come from a
Speaker 1: perspective where I have some level of understanding or expertise
Speaker 1: in the field that I speak on. So those are
Speaker 1: the things that I like to speak on. You. So
Speaker 1: when they say you pick at you or I bet
Speaker 1: you won't say no, why don't you say? But obviously
Speaker 1: you feel very strongly about the issue. You seem knowledgeable,
Speaker 1: you seem like you know some things. You've got a
Speaker 1: lot of energy. So that's why that's why we all
Speaker 1: do our part in this world. We do especially in
Speaker 1: this movement, so we have different you know, everybody has
Speaker 1: a different entry point of movement. You believe in these things.
Speaker 1: You you are adamant about this. You want to hear
Speaker 1: those things talk about, So go talk about it. Don't
Speaker 1: come at my d m s trying to pressure me
Speaker 1: and force me and bully me into talking about ship
Speaker 1: that you want to talk about. That's why you gotta page,
Speaker 1: you gotta voide. You got all the right in the
Speaker 1: world to speak on things that you want to talk about,
Speaker 1: just like I have all the right not to speak
Speaker 1: on the things that I don't want to talk about.
Speaker 1: So if you'll understand that, then the world will be
Speaker 1: a better place. Man, go to your own page. I
Speaker 1: don't care how many followers you or tell them why
Speaker 1: you're mad, tell them that you want to get off
Speaker 1: your chest, tell when people should be doing, and you
Speaker 1: build your own following. That's where, yeah, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not that one side of it you said that's a
Speaker 1: hundred percent right, is that it may not be something
Speaker 1: that we understand. Clearly, we may not. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: things miss you. You You don't even know what happened, or
Speaker 1: if you do know, you're trying to figure out the
Speaker 1: different pieces and understand it, or maybe you don't have
Speaker 1: time to do that. But here's what I will say.
Speaker 1: We nobody is capable of getting on every issue all
Speaker 1: the time. That is a failed it's a failed strategy.
Speaker 1: You actually have to stick with the things you think
Speaker 1: you can actually impact, even when there's other things that's aligned.
Speaker 1: You have to stick with what it is that you
Speaker 1: know you can impact. You know, I think right now
Speaker 1: the issue of Valenciaga. That's a big issue and a
Speaker 1: big concern of course, anything now that we're learning more
Speaker 1: like I didn't know anything about the history of the
Speaker 1: designer and all of that, which I'm sure that's the
Speaker 1: case with a whole bunch of uh, you know, issues
Speaker 1: and brands and not just brand. Should we eat, places
Speaker 1: we work, the people we work for, uh, you know
Speaker 1: people we've been in relationship too, and with like there's
Speaker 1: a you know a lot with that. But um, but
Speaker 1: you know, but I see a lot of people talking
Speaker 1: about the issue around Valenciaga, and I think that's an
Speaker 1: important issue for me. I got one sweater, a pair
Speaker 1: of leggings and two sneakers. It's not that serious, like
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care, but I and that is
Speaker 1: because it wasn't. I was never into Valenciaga. So for
Speaker 1: me to can't Valenciaga is with them? How am I
Speaker 1: canceling them? I don't mean I don't. I don't have
Speaker 1: so when I when I when I said, you don't
Speaker 1: have nothing, I got one Valencia and one you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it ain't but I met you
Speaker 1: what you do have and what I know I have
Speaker 1: his hundreds. You got thousands, so I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: you don't have thousands now, but I have hundreds of
Speaker 1: Nikes exactly. So that's what impacted me. It really impacted
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, damn, I really this is something
Speaker 1: that I supported, and I know that my voice can
Speaker 1: be hurt. And I know that the community that I
Speaker 1: come from we all supported. So I know that me
Speaker 1: shifting attempting to shift the consciousness or what's going on
Speaker 1: in NIKEE with the brand and with you know, the
Speaker 1: co founder and how they they view us. I know
Speaker 1: it's impactful. Me just coming with my one little Valenciaga
Speaker 1: shirt saying this and that it ain't it ain't as
Speaker 1: impactful as somebody who would like the guy, you know,
Speaker 1: shout out to health cat. I'm the health cat. He
Speaker 1: burnt this Balenciaga people was mad at him, and he said,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it's valuable enough to give
Speaker 1: to nobody, And that was my my position. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see nobody with Nikes on, so I'm like
Speaker 1: giving it to nobody I would care to home. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get I can give homeless people, and
Speaker 1: you know I can give them other clothes. I've got
Speaker 1: all types of other clothes. I've been doing it in
Speaker 1: I give to the good Will every year. I give
Speaker 1: bags of clothes to people in need. But I did,
Speaker 1: I don't. That's not what I wanted to do with Nike.
Speaker 1: I wanted to completely um eradicate and get them out
Speaker 1: of our culture. That's my that's my intention. Well it happened,
Speaker 1: who knows, but I know that's my goal. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see it. I don't want to give it
Speaker 1: to another person. I don't want them wearing it and
Speaker 1: somebody else seeing it and be oh, I like that.
Speaker 1: Let me. I wouldn't want to buy that where that
Speaker 1: comes from? I know that's not what I don't want
Speaker 1: to be do anything to help the advertisemental promotion of it.
Speaker 1: You know, so everybody got a different, different mind state.
Speaker 1: You know. Hopefully I'll find a way to get in
Speaker 1: the game, which you can't, you know, speaking of people
Speaker 1: using their platforms and people getting into it. You know,
Speaker 1: we have a guest coming on today that is no
Speaker 1: stranger to not just three politicians, but to our lives.
Speaker 1: Everybody know that we are super close um to our brother,
Speaker 1: the Reverend Mark Thompson. And and you know, we said
Speaker 1: we have to bring Mark on to help us get
Speaker 1: talked through some of some of these things that's happening
Speaker 1: in some history. That's our history. That's the historian um
Speaker 1: among until Freedom and Until Freedom family. And of course
Speaker 1: I can't make sure we shout out our brother, Attorney
Speaker 1: Angelo Pinto, because he's the other historian um. And so
Speaker 1: let's bring Rev. Mark Thompson on. Let's talk about when
Speaker 1: we say everybody has to use their platform, because not
Speaker 1: everybody's using it for the right things in my opinion
Speaker 1: all the time. UM. And I think Mark can help
Speaker 1: us to sort of examine what's been happening in the media.
Speaker 1: So Mark, welcome back to Street Politicians. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be here, always a pleasure to be here, and I'm
Speaker 1: thankful for all the work that you all continue to
Speaker 1: do and the way you use your platform here on
Speaker 1: Street Politicians. So first of all, Mark, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on this whole Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: the picture and the whole you know, controversy. It's not
Speaker 1: really controversial to me because it was there, he was there,
Speaker 1: So I just want to get how how do you
Speaker 1: see it? I think it speaks to the history and
Speaker 1: legacy of a lot of people in positions of influence
Speaker 1: and power and where they came from. That is the
Speaker 1: history of this country. It was almost impossible to avoid
Speaker 1: and you would have had to have been an exceptional
Speaker 1: um person to have not participated in that and and
Speaker 1: stood up against them. We know there are very few
Speaker 1: people who did at that time. There are very few
Speaker 1: people who stood with us at our moments of struggle,
Speaker 1: very few white people who stood with Dr King and
Speaker 1: so I was see Jerry Jones is one of them.
Speaker 1: I think that there are two things. One, it requires
Speaker 1: us once again to just examine who and where we
Speaker 1: are in the context of everything. Here's someone who owns
Speaker 1: a team and owns everything about the team, including the
Speaker 1: majority of athletes that are on that team. All right,
Speaker 1: and you know, the issue still becomes, why are we
Speaker 1: se of the players on these NFL teams and own nothing,
Speaker 1: own no team? What's so few coaches, no owners whatsoever.
Speaker 1: That says a lot, and we ought to lift that
Speaker 1: up in every opportunity we have when these types of
Speaker 1: things come up. Why is Jerry Jones still an owner
Speaker 1: and none of us our owns why can't we be
Speaker 1: Why can't we own one team? First of all? Second
Speaker 1: of all, I do want to commend Lebron because Lebron
Speaker 1: is not an activist. But to your point to Mikau,
Speaker 1: he is using his platform now and I want to
Speaker 1: commend him because I think it takes a lot of
Speaker 1: courage for him to take the take he took asking
Speaker 1: the question. But why y'all asked me about the situation
Speaker 1: with Kyrie and not ask me about Jerry Jones? Why
Speaker 1: is everybody quiet about that? And he's he articulately said,
Speaker 1: when it comes to other people's uh struggles and oppression
Speaker 1: and discrimination, that's paramount. But when it comes to hours,
Speaker 1: it's knocked down. It's low on the total pope. So
Speaker 1: so why people, why isn't Jerry Jones being canceled? M
Speaker 1: and and and and why once again do black people
Speaker 1: get canceled when it comes to other people's oppressure? When
Speaker 1: we don't oppress anybody, I don't be very clear by that.
Speaker 1: We don't have a power to oppress anybody. Even if
Speaker 1: people say things it may seem insensitive or if anything,
Speaker 1: sometimes people say things that are terribly uninformed, but that's
Speaker 1: not oppression. That's not keeping a whole another group of
Speaker 1: people down. We are kept down always all times and
Speaker 1: continue to be kept down. Remember, Jerry Jones was one
Speaker 1: of the people who was against the taking of the
Speaker 1: knee and all of that. He still came out against
Speaker 1: that first and foremost. So you know, for that to
Speaker 1: just kind of be okay, this is just what is
Speaker 1: just something happened. It's just kind of matter of fact
Speaker 1: when it comes to our struggle and our oppression, and
Speaker 1: that happened right here in this country. Yea, within these borders,
Speaker 1: on this soil, what not even sixty years ago? M
Speaker 1: hm hm. Well, you know, I know we want to
Speaker 1: talk about Stephen A. Smith's comments because he used you know,
Speaker 1: his platform as well. And you know, I have my
Speaker 1: days with Stephen A. Smith, and you know, I used
Speaker 1: to really really think that I just used to feel
Speaker 1: different about him, and then over the years I began
Speaker 1: to watch him make statements that I feel like, like
Speaker 1: he he apologizes for white folks to me too much,
Speaker 1: and then sometimes you know, he's extremely harsh on black folks,
Speaker 1: which I get the fact that we have to challenge
Speaker 1: our own. You can't be a commentator where you don't
Speaker 1: ever have something to say about things that black folks
Speaker 1: do that ain't right, just like any other community. However,
Speaker 1: it just feels to me like, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know why we need to either apologize and or let's
Speaker 1: say apology. Apologists might be going too far. But why
Speaker 1: do we have to uh defend older white men above
Speaker 1: seventy years old who happened to be standing in a
Speaker 1: place that represents the torture of our communities. I believe
Speaker 1: Mark Thompson that if there was a picture of you,
Speaker 1: me and my son, any one of us standing in
Speaker 1: a in a space where any other community, any other community,
Speaker 1: whether we be the Jewish community, the gay community, any
Speaker 1: other community, if we were standing there while uh torture
Speaker 1: that is aligned with our enslavement and oppression, if that
Speaker 1: was happening, or with that group's um you know, uh
Speaker 1: enslavement and and and and oppression if that was if
Speaker 1: that happened, I don't think we would ever be able
Speaker 1: to live it down. I mean, that's my opinion. What
Speaker 1: do you think. You're absolutely right, and we've seen examples
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, if we're in anywhere in proximity
Speaker 1: to a situation where someone else is is being mistreated
Speaker 1: or oppressed. We we are held account before it. As
Speaker 1: far as Stephen A. Smith is concerned, Um, I know
Speaker 1: Stephen Um in spite of something his Steven, Stephen has
Speaker 1: always going out of his way, uh to express a
Speaker 1: profound amount of respect for me. But I take that
Speaker 1: to mean this Steven knows where he is. And I
Speaker 1: think Stephen realizes the cost of him speaking the way
Speaker 1: we speak, and I think he just chooses not to
Speaker 1: do it. But that's but that's right there. It's my
Speaker 1: issue long because you could choose not to do it,
Speaker 1: but you can't choose not to do it and then
Speaker 1: attack young black kids all day long. That like, that's
Speaker 1: that's an issue for me. I'm good that you're not
Speaker 1: going to speak against the white people. Good. You gotta
Speaker 1: keep your job because he's made statements that every day
Speaker 1: this is what this was. He said, every day, I
Speaker 1: wake up and figure out how to make my boss
Speaker 1: more money. That's his mind state. That's what he said,
Speaker 1: that came out of his mouth. So I get that
Speaker 1: that's your job, but everybody don't have that same job, right.
Speaker 1: A lot of these young black kids, you know, they
Speaker 1: come into this league, they come from marginalized communities. They
Speaker 1: don't come you know, they come from community, come from poverty.
Speaker 1: But there's they're they're still grounded in their black history
Speaker 1: and he's trying to figure certain things out. They're still
Speaker 1: black and proud. And because they come into the industry
Speaker 1: and that is not that doesn't celebrate being black and proud.
Speaker 1: They're being they got They hit from all angles all
Speaker 1: the time every time they do something that shows that
Speaker 1: they're too black. So we don't need our own black
Speaker 1: people to to to lash out of them. At the
Speaker 1: same time, you know, we know that you can't sometimes
Speaker 1: you can't say all the time what's going on, Like,
Speaker 1: we understand that, but you we just don't need you
Speaker 1: to pile on. If you can't help us, just don't
Speaker 1: hurt us. Man. That's that's my problem, my problem. No,
Speaker 1: you know, I agree, I agree with all of that. Um.
Speaker 1: This media industry, though, is contracting so much. Everybody is afraid.
Speaker 1: That's why so many of those people piled on against Kyrie.
Speaker 1: They were trying to keep that even when it was necessary.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mansa, I don't I'm not for that. Um,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what people do. Um. The difference between
Speaker 1: those and the three of us and many who are
Speaker 1: listening right now is that we're free and and freedom
Speaker 1: is a beautiful thing and we're willing to pay with
Speaker 1: every price there is to pay h to be free.
Speaker 1: And I think people know what even young people you're
Speaker 1: talking about when you can't young people. And you're right, Tomka,
Speaker 1: Your evolution in terms of how you look at Stephen
Speaker 1: is the same for a lot of people. You know,
Speaker 1: step like Stephen. But then as you hear more than women, now,
Speaker 1: you know, brother, we need you because you are using
Speaker 1: this platform. We need you to take a stand. We
Speaker 1: need to do some but he'll do things like for example, uh,
Speaker 1: this week when a reaction to lebron statements on Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: he had Rolling on his show, so and he talked
Speaker 1: about all I'm so glad Rolling is here, and I
Speaker 1: saw what that was. Stephen doesn't feel like he can
Speaker 1: say certain things, so he brings Rolling on it. That's fine,
Speaker 1: But still I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, we all want to look in the mirror.
Speaker 1: I think the three of us we have a different calling.
Speaker 1: We we you, we face each other in the mirror
Speaker 1: every day, don't we we in the morning. Mice you
Speaker 1: look in the mirror, and you gotta live with mice.
Speaker 1: Jamka you got to live with Jamika. I got to
Speaker 1: live with Mark. We can't live with ourselves if we're
Speaker 1: not looking at the people in the middle who we are.
Speaker 1: That's just how we made Yeah, and that's a blessing.
Speaker 1: And and I think Mark, for me, my son, gave
Speaker 1: one aspect like if you go, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: not going to say or be as radical if you will,
Speaker 1: as we are on race and those issues, but you
Speaker 1: can take the time to attack and and critique. Let's
Speaker 1: say critique, because the word attack, if you know that,
Speaker 1: that triggers people. So let's say critique. If you can
Speaker 1: do that, then you at least can just be quiet
Speaker 1: about Jerry Jones. You understand I'm saying. Nobody's even looking
Speaker 1: for Stephen A. Smith too. We wanted to let me
Speaker 1: tell you the Jerry Jones situation was fourteen years ago.
Speaker 1: We're not stupid, we get it. It was Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm excuse me. I'm sorry. It was when he was
Speaker 1: fourteen years old. We all when we were fourteen have
Speaker 1: things in our beat. I mean, I know, I never
Speaker 1: stood anywhere and watched, you know, the torture of another community.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, we all, when with fourteen have things that
Speaker 1: we're not proud of, we can all reconcile that absolutely right.
Speaker 1: The issue is that I don't need to go running
Speaker 1: around trying to explain on behalf of a white man
Speaker 1: who happened. He should be the only one explaining. The
Speaker 1: only person we need to hear from is Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: about why he was there and his uh denouncing racism
Speaker 1: and supporting the players that are with on on his
Speaker 1: team and in the NFL whose life experience is that
Speaker 1: of which happened to those black people in that picture.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing we need. We do not need
Speaker 1: to hear from one black person that feels the need
Speaker 1: to explain on Jerry jones behalf. We don't need that
Speaker 1: wasn't there sixty six years. You don't know nothing about it.
Speaker 1: Don't tell us about something that you you you don't
Speaker 1: have any information to give us. You're giving us your
Speaker 1: opinion that's based off a bias situation, because the only
Speaker 1: proximity you're able to see Jerry is to proximity that
Speaker 1: he wants you to see him. Right, You never see you.
Speaker 1: Never you, especially as a black man, You've never been
Speaker 1: in the room with him and a bunch of white
Speaker 1: racist people to hear him defend no black people. You
Speaker 1: don't know none of these things, so you can't even
Speaker 1: give us a good point of view that that contributes
Speaker 1: to this situation in general. We're asking you how he
Speaker 1: is that when you go to the games. Of course
Speaker 1: he's gonna do that's where the people make them players
Speaker 1: on the team. What are you gonna do that he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say, Yo, I'm racist. I don't get talk
Speaker 1: about that. That's never gonna be. So when you don't
Speaker 1: have a perspective that can help us to dissect this situation.
Speaker 1: So just be and before you go, Mark, because I
Speaker 1: want you to be had the last word on this issue.
Speaker 1: I think my song what you just said is true.
Speaker 1: You don't know you. You might know him, but we
Speaker 1: none of us know people behind closed doors when they
Speaker 1: are in their element right. And I'm tell you, there
Speaker 1: was someone tweeted and you know I I dare open
Speaker 1: Twitter ever in my life, but it just so happened
Speaker 1: that I was tagged to something and I opened it
Speaker 1: and it was a picture of teenagers standing around watching
Speaker 1: an actual lynching, and the title of it said, these
Speaker 1: were fourteen year olds too, right, So fourteen year olds
Speaker 1: at that time stood around and watched a lot of things.
Speaker 1: The only question a black man could to me, or
Speaker 1: black person should be asking, is what has Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: done from then until now to prove his allegiance to
Speaker 1: the black community outside of people being employees that have
Speaker 1: helped to make him rich. What has he done? That's
Speaker 1: the only thing I think I don't So that's my
Speaker 1: issue with Stephen A. Smith. I'm not looking for him
Speaker 1: to be a radical activist. I don't need him to
Speaker 1: be Mark Thompson. I don't need him to be Dr King.
Speaker 1: I just need to know why is it that you
Speaker 1: feel so comfortable trying to explain for for a community
Speaker 1: that they need to be the only ones explaining for themselves. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree with all of that, and I think we
Speaker 1: should not uh discount the possibility that he may have
Speaker 1: been asked or ordered to do that one. And we
Speaker 1: gotta look at that when people want to step in
Speaker 1: the line of five put their bodies in between the
Speaker 1: white folks, we would hold accountable. The other thing too.
Speaker 1: Let's just say how real it is about him possibly
Speaker 1: being asked to do that. Even if he wasn't asked,
Speaker 1: he he heard it in his head. Um, if people
Speaker 1: have noticed this in the past decade at least, sports
Speaker 1: coverage has changed, and because of the contracting sports journalism
Speaker 1: and media industry. There used to be a time, um
Speaker 1: when we were younger, when sports media personalities and sports
Speaker 1: coverage was more critical of owners teams. You know, even
Speaker 1: if a team wasn't doing well, you heard sports commentators
Speaker 1: put that out there. In a contracting industry where teams
Speaker 1: and leagues on their own media, everybody wants to be
Speaker 1: sure they keep a job, so nobody wants to criticize anybody.
Speaker 1: So you look at Steve the Smith, howf and just
Speaker 1: he'll criticize a black athlete before he'll criticize the team
Speaker 1: or an owner. And he's not alone in that, because
Speaker 1: if ESPN goes south on him, he needs to be
Speaker 1: able to get a job on a New Jersey nets network,
Speaker 1: which is yes here in New York, or get a
Speaker 1: job with the NFL television network. You follow what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: so that is another practical reality when it comes to
Speaker 1: some of these people so right, we shouldn't even be
Speaker 1: looking to sports media folk any longer to set a
Speaker 1: precedent or stick their next out for us, because they're
Speaker 1: not doing it any longer in terms of objective critique
Speaker 1: when it comes to these teams. Uh, a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I'll say there's not be done. The only commentator who
Speaker 1: was always consistent about Mice criticizing the NFL's lack of
Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts was one person that was Bryan Gumble. If
Speaker 1: you not, there's no one sports that Stephen Steven Simpson.
Speaker 1: They don't say none of that stuff because they want
Speaker 1: to be sure they still have a job. And so yes,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, he's going to defend him. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to last thing.
Speaker 1: I said his last name. And I don't say this too. Y'all.
Speaker 1: Never see me in no cowboy head. You will never
Speaker 1: see me in a cowboy head. That itself is a
Speaker 1: symbol of oppression in this country, because that cowboy had
Speaker 1: similar symbolizes the trail of tears, the assault on our
Speaker 1: indigenous people and the assault on our people. So you
Speaker 1: and that's just that to me, is a cultural symbols,
Speaker 1: not something to be wearing on their here. So when
Speaker 1: I saw Stephen with that cowboy had I see it
Speaker 1: right there? And you know what the brother is, He's
Speaker 1: in the place I'm not in. I want to ask
Speaker 1: the questions about. So we were watching the movie too, right,
Speaker 1: which is very very motional movie. Mom, have you seen it?
Speaker 1: A very emotional movie. It's hard wrenching, It's really graphic
Speaker 1: and emotional. And I was wondering, you know, we we
Speaker 1: we talked about this, and and not to any way
Speaker 1: make light of the situation or say anyone isn't guilty
Speaker 1: of anything or they are whatever, But the reality situation
Speaker 1: is we were looking and the women who lied on
Speaker 1: in the till right. I was told that she's still
Speaker 1: alive now and no one has pressed charges on knowing
Speaker 1: that that she she she lied, you know, knowing that
Speaker 1: she on perjured herself, knowing that she got you know,
Speaker 1: she pretty much aided and embedded in the murder of
Speaker 1: this year four t o kids. And there we go, fourteen,
Speaker 1: back to that age again, for this is what happens
Speaker 1: to our fourt yard, you know. And they were like,
Speaker 1: she's too old to stay in trial and she's too
Speaker 1: old to be arrested, so nobody pursued it. And and
Speaker 1: I and I bring up Bill Cosby. Now I don't
Speaker 1: know the situation, but he was found guilty or whatever
Speaker 1: what happened to those women. I'm not speaking on that.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking on the fact that these cases were forty
Speaker 1: seven years old. This was eighty almost ninety old man
Speaker 1: who had elements, who was very, very sick, could barely
Speaker 1: see all of these things, and nobody cared about his
Speaker 1: health when they were prosecuting. Right, So I want to
Speaker 1: understand why do why do you think there's this double
Speaker 1: standard or why do you think people care about her age?
Speaker 1: We didn't care about his age. And I want to
Speaker 1: just jump in before you say that and just reiterate,
Speaker 1: because you know, there are people who will really try
Speaker 1: to take that statement out of context and make it
Speaker 1: that we are saying that Bill Cosby should not have
Speaker 1: been arrested, and that has absolutely nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the statement that we're What we're talking about, what we're
Speaker 1: saying is looking at age, just simply age, right, an accountability.
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby has been held accountable for the claims of
Speaker 1: these women against him at his age. What we're saying,
Speaker 1: is why is it that this um uh, that this
Speaker 1: woman has not been held accountable for in Mattil the
Speaker 1: same way. That's it. That's the simple question. So that
Speaker 1: anybody who's listening don't come to us talking about, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't think Bill Cosby should have went to jail.
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby has been held accountable for the women who
Speaker 1: have made claims against him, and we want to know
Speaker 1: why is that not the same for for what happened
Speaker 1: to uh ms Brian. There's no logical explanation for that.
Speaker 1: But but but let me if you don't man, let me
Speaker 1: take it a step further. For those who would accuse
Speaker 1: us of defending Cosby, Cosby is like Kanye, because remember
Speaker 1: we've articulated folks got mad about what Kanye said. There
Speaker 1: was anti semitic, But we were done with Kanye when
Speaker 1: he says slavery was a choice, and when he put
Speaker 1: on the White Lives Matter shirt. Everybody else is quite
Speaker 1: about that same thing was Bill before Bill was exposed
Speaker 1: by the Me Too movement. We were done with him
Speaker 1: on the pound cake speech, right, So we don't have
Speaker 1: to wait for other people to raise their concerns before
Speaker 1: we hold our own folks accountable and what he said
Speaker 1: in that speech. While I was there, Dick Gregory was there,
Speaker 1: we were done with him then when he talked about
Speaker 1: all the negative things about black people and the pants
Speaker 1: hanging and all the disparaging comments. So folks, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have to wait on the me too story
Speaker 1: to be done the bill. Some of y'all relate to
Speaker 1: the party on that. Yes, he's been held accountable. There
Speaker 1: is no logical explanation as to why Carol and Bryan
Speaker 1: Doneham has not been held accountable for her for her
Speaker 1: actions and probably um the most heinous lynching because it
Speaker 1: was so well publicized because it was so graphic and people,
Speaker 1: you know, some people I don't want to go see
Speaker 1: any more these movies. No, no, you need to go
Speaker 1: see this movie, because that's what made me Tell wanted
Speaker 1: She wanted people to see the remains of her son.
Speaker 1: If people had not seen his his mutilated remains, August
Speaker 1: Em Mattell was lynched. We're in the month of December now,
Speaker 1: uh this year. Aug Montgomery bus boycott was December one, five.
Speaker 1: M Matill's death and his brutalization is what sparked the
Speaker 1: modern civil rights movie and people decided right then there,
Speaker 1: we're not going to allow this anymore. Um, black women
Speaker 1: walked to work war holes in the soles of their shoes,
Speaker 1: walking to work in montgovernment for a year. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we could do that today. Right now, I
Speaker 1: have that discipline the boycott and walked to work every
Speaker 1: day for a whole year until there was desrogation on
Speaker 1: the buses in Montgomery. No, she does need to be
Speaker 1: held accountable. And to be even more specific about it, Um,
Speaker 1: there was some evidence recently uncovered that there was a
Speaker 1: warrant for her arrest and the warrant was never executed.
Speaker 1: So even the myth that she was never seriously considered
Speaker 1: and they never had any evidence. Even back then, the
Speaker 1: white folks in Mississippi, the prosecuting Mississippi, issued a warrant
Speaker 1: for Caroline's arrest. That warrant needs to be executed. And
Speaker 1: I think there's a black prosecuted down and sometimes we
Speaker 1: are own worst enemy. There's a black prosecuted down there
Speaker 1: that needs to execute it. Uh. In fact, he's in
Speaker 1: one of our in the fraternity. I know some brothers
Speaker 1: in were trying to reach them to get them to
Speaker 1: get him to do it. But but no, there is
Speaker 1: no excuse. And some people saying where she's old, so what,
Speaker 1: she should still be held accountable even if she don't
Speaker 1: go to prison. All right, you wanna put in prison,
Speaker 1: charge her, arrest her, execute that warrant from nine, hold
Speaker 1: her accountable. She said to a journalist a few years
Speaker 1: ago that that Emma didn't do anything. She's pretty much
Speaker 1: admitted to identifying him. She is an accomplice in his desk. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: this is this is something you know. Reparation isn't just
Speaker 1: about money or about land. It's also about healing and
Speaker 1: and and fixing certain wrongs, healing, dealing with trauma and
Speaker 1: there there's not an experience really in this century, a
Speaker 1: singular incident there was more traumatic than the death of
Speaker 1: Emma too. M that's the that's the real well Mark.
Speaker 1: We would love to talk to you all day, but
Speaker 1: we got a tight ship today. Man, We got a
Speaker 1: tight show man as usual. You you bring the heat,
Speaker 1: you come with historical facts, and you speaking like nobody
Speaker 1: else could speaking with mar got it. I need to
Speaker 1: get the cupcake speech for my song because I don't
Speaker 1: think he heard it. I don't think he no go
Speaker 1: you check it out. It was. It was horrible, and
Speaker 1: he put down all the brothers locked up. He put
Speaker 1: down all the brothers for the closing with and he
Speaker 1: even made fun of our names, African names, Muslim names.
Speaker 1: He said we shouldn't be nick names and called chick
Speaker 1: calling our kids Mohammed, and we were invented Howard, you know,
Speaker 1: Dick Gregor is hilarious. After he finished, because Nick was
Speaker 1: getting a ward, Dick walks up to him. He said, maw,
Speaker 1: don't you cover say nothing like that when I'm on
Speaker 1: stage with you. You crazy, you know, And and just
Speaker 1: again a little bit more he should just in terms
Speaker 1: of just give a little tidbit. Bill was put on
Speaker 1: by Dick. Dick left the stage, left the nightclub scene,
Speaker 1: the comedy stage to join Dr King. But he still
Speaker 1: had all these dates all right that he had to work.
Speaker 1: He gave those to Bill and put Bill on. There
Speaker 1: was an incident in the Playboy Club in the sixties,
Speaker 1: Playboy Mansion. Everybody went to in party. There was a
Speaker 1: pair of white comedians. They had their own show. Someonell
Speaker 1: remembered that some who are old enough, the Smothers brothers.
Speaker 1: They were speaking out against Vietnam War. Dick was speaking
Speaker 1: out against Vietnam War. Uh Rowan and Martin was another
Speaker 1: popular show. All these shows were speaking out against Vietnam War.
Speaker 1: The only comedian who wasn't was Bill Cosby. They confronted
Speaker 1: him at the Playboy Man. So many the movement puts
Speaker 1: you on. Bill, you wouldn't be on if it weren't
Speaker 1: for Dick Gregory in the movement when you're gonna speak
Speaker 1: out against some of these injustices, and Bill said, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm not gonna do that. So that's Bill. That's
Speaker 1: been his history. And Bill needs to be held accountable
Speaker 1: for all of that as well as to me too.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying we were done with Bill already. The
Speaker 1: Cosby Show was great. It was cute, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, where do you stand on our issues?
Speaker 1: And Bill, Bill just wasn't there. Well, Mark, you gotta
Speaker 1: come back because we're gonna talk because be Cosby Show
Speaker 1: was my whole life. So it wasn't cute. It was very,
Speaker 1: very critical. And we're gonna talk about all the shows.
Speaker 1: I think we should do that one day, just kicking
Speaker 1: about the shows and what those shows, how how they
Speaker 1: all impacted us from good times and you know, just
Speaker 1: take it back and think through, um, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the good old days, and we should do it
Speaker 1: in person. We love you, Revord Mark Thompson. Thank peace,
Speaker 1: King Peace Peace. That's as usual, man, the good Reverend
Speaker 1: doctor Mark Mark Mark Thompson as we call him, always
Speaker 1: drive and used and there's a lot to unpack. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, just listen to him like like he pretty
Speaker 1: much agrees with us. There's no reason why this woman
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been charged and shouldn't still be charged. You know,
Speaker 1: I never and I never knew that they actually issued
Speaker 1: the warrant. That's crazy. But you know, every time you
Speaker 1: talk to Monk, you gonna give you some history that
Speaker 1: you don't even know about. Man. So I always appreciate him,
Speaker 1: No really, I mean I agree with you. I didn't
Speaker 1: know about the warrant um and how I was never executed.
Speaker 1: And I think that what we learned from, you know,
Speaker 1: and also just listening to Mark give you more whether
Speaker 1: you agree with uh, you know, his position and many
Speaker 1: different people's position on Steve on Bill Cosby or not. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing you do have to recognize is
Speaker 1: that there's a history of you know, when people violate
Speaker 1: the black community. It's like it just kind of like
Speaker 1: goes to it just goes to the wayside. It's it's
Speaker 1: not important. But then of course when they do things
Speaker 1: that agreed just to another community, then the world expects
Speaker 1: us to jump on it and you know, be a
Speaker 1: part of the crusade to destroy them. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that there's anything wrong withholding people accountable, but I
Speaker 1: do know that the hypocrisy is what makes folks start
Speaker 1: feel they find themselves even defending things that they know
Speaker 1: is wrong, because they get to it's like the Kanye piece,
Speaker 1: like when he was saying all the disrespectful things against
Speaker 1: black people and and saying anti black things because of
Speaker 1: the fact that no one it wasn't a big media story,
Speaker 1: you know, there was no companies canceling him. People made
Speaker 1: all types of excuses about why, well, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not we can't really say for sure that it's anti black.
Speaker 1: But then of course when this when when another community
Speaker 1: is harmed by the things that he said, then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well everybody should get behind tearing you know, him to shreds.
Speaker 1: And I think accountability just has to be more across
Speaker 1: the board. We have to be accountable in every single corner,
Speaker 1: because once we do that, then people will feel comfortable
Speaker 1: saying right is right and wrong is wrong. That's a fact.
Speaker 1: And you know what, and that brings me to my
Speaker 1: I don't get it. We was talking about Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: and and Mom brought up, you know, Lebron's position. And
Speaker 1: what I don't get right is because I'm critical of
Speaker 1: you when you do When you do wrong, ship, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call you out. But when you do right, ship,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you. I'm I'm also say, yo, you
Speaker 1: did something right right. And a lot of us take time,
Speaker 1: we make mistakes. We we you know, we fall off
Speaker 1: a little bit, We don't see clearly or certain things,
Speaker 1: and so many people are mad like, oh now Lebron
Speaker 1: trying to get back in our good graces. Bron has
Speaker 1: said a lot of things that I agree with. He's
Speaker 1: he stood up on a lot of different, you know,
Speaker 1: issues in that regard black people. He's he's, he's he's
Speaker 1: to use this platform a bunch of times. And then
Speaker 1: there's times that I didn't think he was just strong.
Speaker 1: That that happens all the time. No, none of us
Speaker 1: are perfect, but I don't get this narrative in this
Speaker 1: position that people take that you're too late to do
Speaker 1: the right thing or you're too late to speak up. Now,
Speaker 1: don't speak up in that like are isn't our job?
Speaker 1: Isn't this what we say that our black influencers and
Speaker 1: people who have platforms and who have levels of celebrity,
Speaker 1: that we want them to speak on our behalf. So
Speaker 1: some of them are not, they get they catch up
Speaker 1: a little slower, some of them don't understand certain things.
Speaker 1: Isn't that our job, you know, as a community to
Speaker 1: want to see them progress, to want to see them
Speaker 1: be on the right side and say the right things.
Speaker 1: So I think it's I don't get why we want
Speaker 1: to discourage those same people from speaking of because it's like,
Speaker 1: damn if you do, damn if you don't. When you
Speaker 1: see the person doing the right thing and they're saying
Speaker 1: the right things and they're standing on the right side
Speaker 1: of history, and then and then representing this culture properly,
Speaker 1: didn't salute them the same way you want to tam
Speaker 1: down when they don't do it the same way. When
Speaker 1: he said what he said about Kyrie, everybody was all
Speaker 1: the wrongness, and that he had, he took a time
Speaker 1: to reflect. You know, he reflected, He thought about it.
Speaker 1: He said, damn, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe
Speaker 1: this wasn't the right even I don't know, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have said that. I think I'm not I don't know
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Maybe I said, maybe he said.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he thought, but I know that
Speaker 1: when he sat down and he made this statement, it
Speaker 1: looked like reflection because he even brought when when Kyrie said,
Speaker 1: look what happens he said, I know who I am,
Speaker 1: and I need you to keep the same energy when
Speaker 1: we talk about things that happened with our people. He
Speaker 1: sat there and he thought about what that meant. He
Speaker 1: you know, he probably at that point, he probably didn't
Speaker 1: understand exactly what was going on, But when you sat
Speaker 1: back and you listen, he probably had a conference. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was, but I know that at
Speaker 1: this point he was very strong and letting you know
Speaker 1: that black people have been wronged and with and is
Speaker 1: not taken with the same level of vigor and energy
Speaker 1: that y'all give to everybody else's atrocities and things that happened.
Speaker 1: He said, this is one of the major things that
Speaker 1: happened to black people when those when those seven kids
Speaker 1: were denied to go into that school. Those are historical
Speaker 1: things that scarred the black culture and community forever, and
Speaker 1: we have to deal with those things and they shouldn't
Speaker 1: just be glossed over, because when we do something that
Speaker 1: you don't like, you know you're not gonna gloss over.
Speaker 1: So for me, I just don't get why we as
Speaker 1: a people don't understand that we have to give our
Speaker 1: own people grace. None of us are perfect, none of
Speaker 1: us are gonna get it right every time. But when
Speaker 1: you see somebody who has those platforms and can lose,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna deal with certain backlash because they stand on,
Speaker 1: you know, certain principles, you gotta we gotta, we gotta
Speaker 1: fuel that, you know what I'm saying. We gotta lift
Speaker 1: them up. We gotta celebrate that the same that were
Speaker 1: the same way we tear down when they don't do
Speaker 1: it well. I I agree with you, but I just
Speaker 1: want to make I just want to make it clear
Speaker 1: because I don't want us to romanticize stories in order
Speaker 1: for it to be more convenient. It may just be
Speaker 1: simply that he still agrees with his initial point that
Speaker 1: he thinks sharing a video without context was wrong for Kyrie,
Speaker 1: and as he reflected on what probably what upset people
Speaker 1: so much in that moment, he knows that racism and
Speaker 1: hypocrisy exists, and that black folks are always on the
Speaker 1: shore at end of the stick. Right. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you can't see him and say, you know, I
Speaker 1: can sit here and say about my child, you know
Speaker 1: you did this, and I'm piste off about it. Look
Speaker 1: at me yesterday. Yesterday I told him off about three
Speaker 1: different things, gave him three points and really gave him
Speaker 1: a piece of my mind. And you know how I
Speaker 1: give piece of my mind. Um, But then I still
Speaker 1: turned down and came in and made him some dinner
Speaker 1: and helped him do some of the things he needed
Speaker 1: to do right. So we can we can do those
Speaker 1: two things at the same time. And I think that
Speaker 1: on this last point is what we're dealing with here
Speaker 1: is humans, right, Humans that for the most part try
Speaker 1: to get it right. Lebron tries to get it right
Speaker 1: for the most part. There nobody is perfect. Sometimes our
Speaker 1: ideas and our thoughts, it's not even just old. Maybe
Speaker 1: he thought he or he rethought it. He just might
Speaker 1: not agree with us and we don't have the same
Speaker 1: opinion on something. Sometimes that's like sometimes I don't think,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that's what I was saying. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you are. I read the comments. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: So I read the comments. I saw people in the comments,
Speaker 1: not on your page, but all over saying things like, oh,
Speaker 1: now you want to change his opinion. Now he want
Speaker 1: to say things, the things to get back in the
Speaker 1: good graces. I don't know if I think it's getting
Speaker 1: back in the good graces. I think he just is
Speaker 1: a man that said what he felt then and he's
Speaker 1: saying what he feels now. He can he can say
Speaker 1: you and I can have a difference of opinion on
Speaker 1: point A and still know that hypocrisy and racism leans
Speaker 1: on black people the most, and that even though what
Speaker 1: Kyrie posted is not something that Lebron stands behind, even
Speaker 1: Kyrie said there's things in the film that he doesn't
Speaker 1: agree with, So we already have made that clear, but
Speaker 1: we can still acknowledge that Jerry Jones, and let me
Speaker 1: just add Brett fard In a bunch of other white
Speaker 1: people have wrong the black community, and they have not
Speaker 1: been held to the same standards as someone who posted
Speaker 1: a movie and didn't make the movie and doesn't sell
Speaker 1: the movie, but the people who sell it, who are
Speaker 1: also white people, have not been canceled in the same way.
Speaker 1: As as as as what Kyrie experience, well, well, once again,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a little pushback because I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us, most of I mean,
Speaker 1: for the most part, there are people who are saying,
Speaker 1: you know that he did, he shouldn't have felt the
Speaker 1: way I think. For me, my my whole issue with
Speaker 1: wasn't how you felt, because you could have felt there
Speaker 1: a lot of people felt like them. I don't think
Speaker 1: he should have posted that or this and that. But
Speaker 1: you weren't supposed to say that on TV. That wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to be a conversation that you had because prior
Speaker 1: to Jerry Jones, prior to Brett fag this America has
Speaker 1: had a history of lynch in the black man, or
Speaker 1: or prosecute black men, or publicizing everything. So it didn't
Speaker 1: just happened. He knows that, he knows that whenever a
Speaker 1: black athlete or black person does something, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: criticized way more than everybody else. That didn't just happen.
Speaker 1: So I think when he realized them, I utilized my
Speaker 1: voice to pile onto another black man and nobody, no
Speaker 1: other white man is gonna do that. That's never gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened in history. So I think my personal
Speaker 1: thing is he reflected and said them that I was
Speaker 1: wrong for that. I wasn't wrong for how I feel.
Speaker 1: My opinion of it really doesn't change. But I didn't
Speaker 1: have to utilize my voice. There's a bunch of people
Speaker 1: that didn't utilize their boys. They are all hundreds of
Speaker 1: athletes that refused to make any commentary on country. And
Speaker 1: I think what he did, Drang was if that was
Speaker 1: your opinion, you should have kept that opinion to yourself. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta let's make sure we put this at the
Speaker 1: top of our next show because I still have pushback
Speaker 1: and I won't even give it to day. But what
Speaker 1: I will say is that Lebron is a leader and
Speaker 1: thats in a lot of directions, and when you know
Speaker 1: he's asked to speak on certain issues, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he has to speak on it.
Speaker 1: But as a leader, he can't just be like every
Speaker 1: other person that doesn't have anything to say. However, how
Speaker 1: you say what you say is very very important. And
Speaker 1: I think that the way several people spoke about Kyrie
Speaker 1: Um in the ways and you know, and in the
Speaker 1: ways in which they spoke about him, I think that
Speaker 1: it should have been Um done differently. Let's just put
Speaker 1: it that way. So let's talk about it again at
Speaker 1: the top of another show. UM, And I think that's
Speaker 1: it for today pretty much. First of all, let me
Speaker 1: shut UM. Shout out Budee Brand, Black Owned. This is
Speaker 1: the hoodie. You know, I've got my Black Effect hat.
Speaker 1: Finally got my Black Effect. Shout out the Black Effect. Um,
Speaker 1: sit down with the stand up. Since we're dropping, then
Speaker 1: episode is gonna be a small little clipping here, so
Speaker 1: y'all can look forward as me interviewing my man g depth.
Speaker 1: If we don't know g Depp is, he was signed
Speaker 1: to Bad Boy in a night the late nineties. He
Speaker 1: went to prison for a murder that he committed twelve
Speaker 1: years prior to going to prison, He actually turned himself
Speaker 1: in because his conscious hurt. Nobody was looking for him.
Speaker 1: The warrant nobody even knew he did it, and now
Speaker 1: he's up for um. The lawyer who prosecuted him is
Speaker 1: trying to get him clemency, and the judge and the
Speaker 1: lawyer saying that they think he should be granted clemency
Speaker 1: after being in jail for twelve years. So I want
Speaker 1: you to listen to this compelling interview. Shoutout to g
Speaker 1: Depth sitting down with the stand ups coming soon. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of it's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know if you're comfortable with just
Speaker 1: talking about it, but there's is a lot of young
Speaker 1: kids and a lot of them aren't privy to the
Speaker 1: kind of like the story of what happened, like I
Speaker 1: know and people from I ever more than likely. No,
Speaker 1: but just a little more of what what was it
Speaker 1: that you turned yourself into? What happened? Not I don't
Speaker 1: need you to give me details. You know. It's not
Speaker 1: saying that you really comfortable, but just it's kind of
Speaker 1: like explaining what happened. But yeah, well you know it was,
Speaker 1: you know, because before you know, I came I came up.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? In the uh in the
Speaker 1: rat you know, industry and the music industry. Guys. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, you know I was
Speaker 1: out in the street throwing things. You know that I
Speaker 1: didn't really have been you know that I didn't have
Speaker 1: any business doing, you know what I'm saying. So you know,
Speaker 1: you know, things things went you know, less I wind up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know catching you know,
Speaker 1: permitted committing a robbery, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: wind up. You know some you know, one of the
Speaker 1: persons that it was involved, you know that got got killed.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where it wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: you know I didn't I didn't know either, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm meaning. But it was just one of those
Speaker 1: things that you know, just was heavy on my heart
Speaker 1: for while, you know what I'm saying. So you know,
Speaker 1: you know, years went by, and then you know, I
Speaker 1: just had you know, I wanted to, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of kind of bring some closure to the whole situation,
Speaker 1: to the whole you know, to the family or whatever whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever you know was connected to this man. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I was, I was connected to this
Speaker 1: man at this point, you're what I'm saying. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I investigate. I did my own,
Speaker 1: you know, my own investigation, and you know, come to
Speaker 1: find out. And when I say I did my own investigation,
Speaker 1: I mean I turned myself in. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying it you know long behold though you know I
Speaker 1: had passed away, so you know, getting here I have
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's what that's what,
Speaker 1: That's what that you know it was all about. You
Speaker 1: want to hear more about your concept of what you're doing,
Speaker 1: uh in our next show. So let's still put that
Speaker 1: at the top. That put a pin in it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna put a pin in it, you know. So that
Speaker 1: brings us to the end of another episode. Shout out
Speaker 1: to the Great Reverend Mark Thompson in his historical views
Speaker 1: that always keep me mind boggle because I don't be
Speaker 1: knowing half the stuff and he always that's my historian
Speaker 1: man him Angelo. I go to them and they give
Speaker 1: me all of the Jews and the history that I need.
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