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And you guys have been asking me like, 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.280 why haven't you recapped episode two or three? And I'm 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:17.160 gonna be honest with you unless something happens that ignites 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.920 something in me. I'm never going to use my microphone 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.519 and good lighting. 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.640 To just talk about an episode. Yeah, it was. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.680 Nothing happened in episode two or three. And me and 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.520 Kate before this podcast episode started, because we're friends in 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.480 real life. We're just like catching up whatever, and I 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.240 mentioned to her about Jersey and. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.480 She's like, girl, that's about to be over. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.400 So I need to talk to Kate now about Jersey 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:53.760 Housewives because this season has started episode As of today 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.760 as we're taping this, there's been three episodes. The last 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.320 two were a snooze and it was revealed Kate, not 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.400 sure you saw this on social media. The third episode 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.160 of this season was the lowest rated live same date 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:15.000 in the history of the fourteenth season franchise. Wow, What's 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.240 happening with Jersey? 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.359 Well, you have two factions, you have and the show 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.640 used to be in the beginning. I liked it that 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.800 it was like these two sister in laws fighting because 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.680 I mean, everybody can kind of relate to that, and 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.320 the concept of the show really differed from other franchises 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:34.080 because there was this family, you know, kind of a 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:38.360 centered aspect to it with the Manzos and Rita's, so 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.280 adding Melissa made sense because they already kind of began 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:43.360 with that concept. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.680 Shocking to me always. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.600 That Teresa was surprised by that, like, of course, they're 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.280 going to have your sister in law who you hate, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.640 like she's been in the background for two seasons, like 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.920 basically waving from the bushes in the background. You're surprised 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.840 that they had your sister on, come on, sist long. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.440 But over time it's become like House of Gucci with 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.960 these two factions, and it's like, if you're friends with her, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.400 you're not friends with me. And it's like that it 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.240 doesn't work like that when you're trying to create an 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:11.040 ensemble show. And you know, I've talked in the past 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.640 about power and perceived power, and there's a lot of 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.560 perceived power at this point on that show cast members 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.400 that have perceived power, and I think it. The audience 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.760 smells it, and they don't like it, Like it feels 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.920 like they're all trying in their own or at least 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.720 the two factions are trying in their own way to 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.960 lay lay lines, and the audience is like, I watch 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.960 this as my escape from my crazy work week and 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.400 my children or my life. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:43.279 And I don't like the idea that you think you 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.400 control the show. So there's like a little bit of that. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.520 The fact that Melissa and Teresa will not film together 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.039 is such a bad issue. It's just you cannot continue this, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.760 and it's almost like they I feel like they've it's 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.120 like paralyzed the show. It's like they've had a stranglehold 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:00.960 on the show. And the other thing I don't like 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.119 is that because you don't really have that ensemble field, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.080 because you have two people that refuse to acknowledge each 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.440 other in a scene, they've now sort of leaned in 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.080 too hard in the Husbands, and I gotta be honest 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.680 with you, FEMA audience is like, fuck the Husbands. This 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:18.720 is a show that I want to watch about women 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.680 who are having really relatable experiences, which include how you 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.520 lose your part of your own identity when your children 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:31.560 go off to college, the power dynamic in your marriages, 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:37.320 friendship issues, taking care of elderly parents, like all those 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.880 things that Real Housewives is so good at telling that 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:43.160 that you can't find in other parts of like entertainment. 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.280 I feel like it's being drowned out by these try 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.520 hard husbands. Like in the last episode there's a scene 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.360 where these loser guys are doing shots out of an 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.960 inflatable woman, out of her asshole. Do you think that 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:00.000 women want to watch this show? 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.080 I don't want to watch it as a gay man. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.600 Well, of course you don't, because you respect. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:08.720 Women number one. Yes. And also, you guys are older men. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.080 I expect this from like twenty something year old frat boys, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:12.880 do you know what I mean? 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.680 But not like men and there forty who have daughters. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.120 You have daughters and you're taking shots out of an asshole. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.800 It's not funny, No, it's not, and some people on 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.640 social media it's like, how is this ever gonna end? 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.800 They sent off their kids to school, But yeah, that's 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:33.440 a big damn moment for Teresa Melissa. That's Melissa's first child, 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.840 and the reality is there's a part of her self 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.000 identity that she's trying to like figure out when one 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.720 like you that's been your whole life is taking care 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:46.839 of a child. But let's like smooth over that because 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.760 the guy wants to do some shots. It's like what 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.839 And also I feel like Frank's moment where he goes 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.640 over he Jelorus and he's like, I'm going to propose. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.320 She was like, yeah, okay, great, who cares? 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.880 Like he thinks he's way more important than the show 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.560 to the show than I think he really is. And 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.440 Joe Gorga always bugs me too, because he is like 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:11.000 infantile in some of those scenes. Like and I don't 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:12.880 know how you feel about this, but I want to know. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.440 Like some of the stuff is like borderline creepy. The 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.520 way they're always like it's like this almost like veiled 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.840 homophobic stuff. I don't know, it's like slapping each other's 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.960 asses and like talk about dildo's and like I don't know, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.560 it's just like it feels very like infantile, like where 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.600 are the grown up conversations? Like I feel like other 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:41.720 the men in other franchises have far more adult yes oh, conversations. 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.920 And it's just like it's almost like belittling the people 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.000 that watch the real houses in New Jersey. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.320 It's like, this is not what we're signing up for. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.560 Who sister, you said a mouthful there? Yes, where do 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.960 I begin? I mean, listen, I agree with everything you're saying, 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.400 especially when it comes to look, when this season came 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.640 back and we knew that Melissa and Teresa were both 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.000 going to be on it, I think we all know 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.400 we were doomed. And as a reality TV creator, producer 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.880 all those things, I'm aware that you never want to 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.760 give anyone the perception that they run the show. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:20.920 Like I get it, Like. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.720 Right, you never want to Let's let's have a real conversation, Kate. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.840 If Melissa's gone, the perception, not the reality, it's the perception. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.840 If Melissa was fired, the perception would have been Teresa 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:35.800 want she got her way. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.040 Ifa was right. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.200 If Teresa was fired, Melissa would have been perceived that 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:46.839 she got her way, right, So we knew that that 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.600 was probably the basis of why they said. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:51.640 Well, you're both coming back. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.440 The unfortunate part is this, we want to watch a 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.079 show of people who we believe. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:01.439 Like being around each other. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.080 Maybe not love each other, maybe I have slummer parties, 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:11.200 but like at least like being around each other. And 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.679 this will probably go down in history worse than Potomac 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.880 to me as the most divided cast I have ever 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.319 seen on reality television. This show is more divided than 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:28.600 the people trying to date Flavor flav you know, it's 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.960 they do not It's like this prize at the end 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.520 that they all want, which is another season. So in 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.960 my opinion, what I'm watching is you have Teresa's group, 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.520 which is Jennifer Aiden, Jennifer Fessler is trying to figure 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.959 out her place in the ensemble. Then we saw Jackie 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.800 Goldschneider and Margaret have a little tiff. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.120 Just about things she was saying to jen Fessler. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.400 And then you have the Melissa team, which is Margaret, Joseph, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.960 obviously Rachel and I feel like Dan Yelle just did 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.920 to make good TV and show for mumus. But for me, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.360 there isn't this sense of we want to be around 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.520 each other, and everybody is saying, hey, join my team 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.760 because there's power and numbers, and we can go to 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.920 the network saying we are real friends, get rid of 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:26.000 the group that isn't really friends. And I don't know 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:30.440 how much I can watch if this is what I'm getting. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:30.760 Yeah. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.120 Well, also, I think the news that it's been revealed 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.600 that there are cast members that have allegedly been working 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.520 with social media accounts to try to destroy other cast members, like, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.600 it's way too dark. I can't imagine an executive at 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.400 not Bravo is like this is this is something I'm 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.720 happy about. I mean, you want to see a show 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.160 where you feel like there's joyful friendship, there's like you know, 0:10:55.240 --> 0:11:02.000 like just slapstick stuff with really heartfelt well like deep 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.320 and moving moments. You need a little bit of both. 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.079 I don't feel like I'm getting either of those things. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.160 Yeah, And it just hit me. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.120 You and I both agree that this past season of 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.360 Baidley Hills wasn't the greatest season. You know, it wasn't 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.640 the greatest. We've seen much better seasons, But it just 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:24.040 dawned on me, Kate. The reason why that show continuously 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.480 does well on the ratings, and I think this was 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:32.439 their highestpreaded season. Shockingly, it is because at bare minimum 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.400 is what you just said two seconds ago, they have 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.040 these joy these joyful moments around each other. It's not dark. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.760 They're not conspiring against each other. It's like when they 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:51.040 get along. It's actually enjoyable to watch them like get 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.320 along and they like being around each other, and it's believable. Yeah, 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.880 and it's probably it's just dawned on me. I would 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.880 love to get your take. Is the Real Housewives of 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:06.800 Bailey Hills the most genuine caz of women who enjoy 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:07.800 being around each other? 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:13.200 No, no, no, no, Miami, Miami. That's the best real housewives 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:18.800 show on the air. That is like real friendships, heartfault moments, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:24.480 lots of hilarity. It captures the city beautifully. It's got 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:28.319 the beautiful landscapes, but it really like encapsulates the culture. 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.559 And every woman has such an interesting singular story and 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.880 then they have these complex dynamics too. I think that 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.680 is the best, and I think what's frustrating is that 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.760 they don't get the attention that they deserve. That is, 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.760 to me, the best Real Housewives. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.679 Why is that? You think you know what. 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.640 One other person pointed this out to me, and I 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.960 can't remember who it was. Gibson Gibson John said it. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.040 Gibson John said that the women of Miami pulled it up, 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:56.920 put it all out on the line because it was 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:57.800 taken from them. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.240 So when they came back, they're like, we really. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.240 Have to put it all out there if we really 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.679 want this show to work. And I think on other 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.040 franchises there's some people that believe that and some people 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.360 that get a little bit lazy. And the show like Miami, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.640 you have Lisa who goes to all the other women 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.480 in the Florida Keys and she says, Lenny and I 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.840 are gonna divorced, and also he's been sleeping with another 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.280 woman and they all screamed, and you're like, those are 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.760 real those are real friends. And even though like they 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.640 all get mad at Larsa the minute that she says, 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.920 like I broke up with you know, my boyfriend, they're 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.560 right there. That is like real friendship. I feel like 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.520 the women of Real Housewaves in New Jersey need to 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.240 study that show. That's a show that people want to 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.720 watch and invest in. And then also Miami of like 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:47.400 really interesting personal stories like Gerdy and cancer, and Alexia 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.440 is one of the To me, she's one of the 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.720 best housewives because that is a woman who has lived 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.560 a life. That's what you want one like a woman 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.840 who's lived a good, layered life. And that's why that 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.880 forty to fifty range just so cool, because they've raised children, 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.439 they've been married once or twice or maybe more, and 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.920 they've been around the world and like they're very layered people. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.120 And I feel like New Jersey is kind of like 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.600 it's like stuck in time. It's still stuck in twenty thirteen, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:17.599 like no evolving. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:19.840 Yeah, it's like the Jersey Shore. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.800 It's very Jersey short. It's like stuck in that time. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:29.280 Yeah. Yeah, So what does this show need? Okay, k Casey. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.320 You are at your desk, right, you have the corner 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.640 office at thirty Rock. You are on the top floor 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:42.640 of the building. Okay, people are scared of you. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:43.560 They are. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:53.000 Yeah, you are the Miranda Priestley of executives. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.240 You work at Bravo. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.800 Okay, okay, Yeah, you have. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:02.760 A presentation meeting with Francis Buruswick, who was like the 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.920 chairman of NBC, and you are talking about how to 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:11.480 Sabage Jersey because you just got the ratings overnight and 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.040 it showed you that it was the lowest rated episode 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.640 in the fourteen year history of the show. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.080 What is kay Casey going to do to fix it? 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.360 I say, Francis, we got to get rid of Melissa 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:26.640 and Teresa, and we need to in the short term, Yes, 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.040 bring in the ones that have been hanging out in 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:30.720 the background, but. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.080 We have to shift somebody beautifully. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.000 I'm forgetting the person's name on Twitter, but they just 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:37.760 put it up where they put a map of all 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.840 the real housews in New Jersey and wherever they live. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.760 And I love that and said you need to do 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.600 that for every past because it shows you how far 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.280 away they all live from one another. If they could 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.720 get like maybe the two new women that they had, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.120 Tiffany and Kayla in the background, I feel like they're 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:58.520 friends with Danielle. Shift towards that like that age, like 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.200 wherever they live, fine women in that community, and lean 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.400 into that. I think the story of Melissa and Teresa, 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.800 with all respect to them, we know it. There are 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.360 a lot of housewives that we get to a point where, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.280 like like Vicky Gumbolson was one of them, where like, 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.720 I know who you are. I get like, I get it, 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.560 but I think it's time for us to meet somebody new. 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.920 It's like having the same person to your dinner party 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:22.800 every week. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.440 Their lives didn't change that much. Isn't it fun to 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:27.400 invite somebody over. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.680 It was like, you know, they have like a different 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.240 kind of job, and they just went on a trip 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.160 to you know, on a safari and they've been like 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.200 in the middle of a breakup. You're like, that's fun. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.560 Not inviting the same person dinner party every freaking week. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.680 Oh what are we having chicken stew again? 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:44.160 Great? 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.880 Look kids, Big Ben Parliament, that is the problem. Get 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.560 some new stuff in there. So I would do that, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.720 would get rid of Melissa, and I would get rid 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.560 of Teresa. And I presume they probably cost them a 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:56.600 lot of money. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.800 In terms of how much they make, how. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:16:59.240 Much they make. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.560 So if you get I'm be honest with you, if 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.480 I'm thinking like an executive, I go, I get rid 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.879 of that. I'm gonna save myself. We're gonna save a 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.520 ton of this is what I'm saying to Francis. I'm like, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.040 we're gonna save a ton of money. We're gonna get 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:10.679 rid of those two. We're gonna get the two new 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.440 housewives because we don't really have to pay them a 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.479 lot of money for the first three seasons. And then 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.560 we're gonna ask them who their group of friends are, 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.199 and we're gonna send myself and somebody else in to 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.439 interview the people in the community or who they're friends with, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.240 and we're gonna adjust this show to make it a newer, better, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:26.960 better version. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:28.920 You know, they did it in New York and it's great. 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.800 It's a big hit. I think I think the. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.119 Good people that watch the show are are gonna be 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:34.639 okay with that. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:40.720 Okay, so you're keeping Marge and Jen Festler, Rachel and Danielle. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.840 Yeah, I would lean into Rachel and Danielle's friends, and 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.120 we moved we move in that direction, Like doesn't Jen 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:49.880 Fessler have some fun friends that are. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.119 Just wacka doos? See? 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.199 That's the other thing is like women in their forties 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:54.680 and fifties, they don't care as much. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.000 They're not They're like, this is who I am. Fuck it. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.200 You have a little bit more of a problem with 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.880 someone's like thirty too, because they're like, well, my mother 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.040 in law, she thinks I'm a bad mother, and I 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.240 really want to, like, I can't be on a TV 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.160 show forty or the fifty year old woman, especially the ladder. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:11.600 Like fifty, like late fifties. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.320 She's like, fuck my mother in law, right, you want 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:16.480 those kind of women too? 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:18.680 No, And that's the reason why. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.080 Oh I forgot to metch her name jen Aiden. Are 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:22.720 you keeping her? 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.280 Oh no, she's gone, maybe gone gone, maybe gone. She's 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.960 been gone gone. I didn't even think about in my 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:29.720 mind she's gone. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.240 Oh why tell me? 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.320 I just think she doesn't really add that much to 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.560 the show, you know. I feel like I got to 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.000 know her a couple of seasons ago, and I'm like, 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.000 there's nothing really left to talk about, you know what 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.440 I mean? And I feel like what I've seen play 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.879 out on social media is so disturbing about these accounts 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:53.119 alleging that she is with the help of others like trying. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:53.560 You know. 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.879 I have to say personally, I was affected by that. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.879 One time I interviewed Margaret last season. To tell you this, 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:00.200 I interviewed. 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:00.440 Her, you did. 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.520 I interviewed Margaret last last year, and I was like, I, 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.399 all of a sudden, I get this, like onslought of 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.840 like terrible tweets like disparaging me and my show, a 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.040 ton of like bad. 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.560 Apple reviews because I. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.679 And like these tweets were insanity, like as if I 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.080 had been working in cahoots with Margaret and that's why 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.400 I interviewed. I'm like that the people have lost their mind. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.719 So this one account has gone on to say that 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.560 apparently there's like a whole strategy like if anybody should 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.320 be bold enough to interview people on the other side 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.720 of the fence of New Jersey, that you are ripe 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.359 for getting ripped on, like essentially almost like bullying people 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:41.119 into not covering or interviewing certain cast members because they're, 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.000 you know, on the wrong side of the fence, which 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.760 is like what, like come on. 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.720 No, they is listen. There's there's a there's a section 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.560 of people who take away too far. Yeah, that's wait, 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:53.520 and that's taking it too far. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:58.720 Like we're journalists, we're podcast lls, we're bloggers, consecrators what 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.040 you want to call anybody in this field. We're not 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:07.359 here to place judgment on the entire cast. It's our 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.200 job to ask questions. It's no secret that Teresa Judais 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:15.720 is a friend of mine. I had Margaret on my podcast. Yeah, 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.080 because for me it was about Margaret's on the show. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:20.600 She has a story. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.200 I'm going to talk to Margaret and I would love 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:24.479 to talk to Melissa Gorda. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.120 I will add Teresa Yea. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.480 And I want to say this for the record, Teresa 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:29.720 never once said why. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:30.560 The fuck are you talking about? 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.040 She didn't give a shit because she understands, like, who 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:34.600 cares she's on the show? 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.119 Talk to her. So when the fans, some of them, when. 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.240 They go too far as to attacking people on Twitter, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.119 leaving bad reviews on Apple. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.239 Yeah, But I think the question, though, is there are 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.879 certain fans that do that, but are they doing it 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.879 at the instruction of someone And that's the question. And 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.320 I'm to say, as somebody who speaks to people that 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.240 are executive producers a lot, this is not something they 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.119