1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: The two thousand nineteen Pro Bowl. Vote is here. Which 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: NFL players do you want to see at the two 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen Pro Bowl in Orlando? Vote today at NFL 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: dot com slash Pro Bowl Vote, and now move the 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up, everybody? 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: D J Bucky here back on Move the sticks. Bluck. 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: How you know, Buddy Man I'm doing great. I'm doing 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: great because I saw a fascinating Monday night football game 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: where I'm pumped up. I'm pumped up about Eli Manning 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: and Odell Beckham and and the positivity that was coming 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: out their locker room after they win. A lot love right, 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: lot love, a lot of big ski Yeah, big win 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: over the Niners. Yeah the Niners. Great football team. Uh County, Hey, 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: no question not trust me, I get it. We'll talk 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: about this game here in just a minute. Also on 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: the episode today, Buck, one of year of former coaches 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: and all timer we're gonna get to have on the 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: show Mike Holme, grand Super Bowl winning coach who's really 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: been around some of the great in the history of 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: the National Football League. We have a lengthy interview with him. 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: You've got a great relationship with him. I think the 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: folks are gonna really enjoy that conversation. Yeah, I'm really 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: excited to talk to the coach. Coach has done a 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: lot of great things in the National Football League. Guy 25 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: who was a high school coach for a decade before 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: making his way into the National Football League. Uncommon story, 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: uncommon journey for NFL head coach. Yeah, we're gonna definitely, uh, 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: look forward to that conversation. I think you guys will 29 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: enjoy it as well. Talk a little college football on here, 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: and we'll get into the draft order. It's always a 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: nice pick your head up this time of year and 32 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: take a glance out in the future and see what 33 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: that draft order looks like. We'll do that as well. 34 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: But let's start right here. You mentioned it, Buck, I 35 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: jokingly said, Look, the FOURT niners is not a good 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: football team. They all count, They all count the same, 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: And that was that was definitely an uplifting win, enoughlifting 38 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: moment there for the New York Giants, especially with the 39 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: performance there of of of Eli Manning getting the ball 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: to Odell Beckham Jr. Finally, Yeah, he found it, found 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: a way to get it to him. But I think 42 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: the thing that is telling about where Eli Manning is. 43 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: Odell beck Him Junior runs a double move. He may 44 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: be passed the secondary by about twenty yards and he 45 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: waits for a past from Eli Manning that looked like 46 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: a punt, like he was sitting there waiting and waiting 47 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: and waiting and waiting and waiting, and it couldn't get there. 48 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: And so the Jazz are really really limited in terms 49 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: of what they're able to do because they can't necessarily 50 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: push the ball down to field. Elik just doesn't have 51 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: He just doesn't have to range anymore, and so they're 52 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: really increasingly relied on the playmaker's abilities to make things 53 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: happen with the ball in the hands, on on run 54 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: after catch plays. And what we saw is they're talented 55 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: enough to be able to win some games like that, 56 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: but it just makes it so much harder. But Sae 57 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley, Sae Kwon Barkley's angle route coming out of 58 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: the backfield, his ability to create mismatches, he is everything 59 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: that we thought it would be in terms of being 60 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: able to make plays in the passing year. No question, 61 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: he's a He's a fantastic player. They still have some 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: some needs up front. I know they played better in 63 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: this game, only gave up one sack, but they do 64 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: need some better personnel along that offensive line. I want 65 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: to switch it over to the other side because it's 66 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: not easy when you're sitting here at two and eight 67 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: as the as the San Francisco Giants are. Uh. Sanrancis 68 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: with forty Niners are sorry the Padres Uh, I'm just 69 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: waiting to see what they're going a period here you 70 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: got baseball in the brain. Uh. Now the forty Niners 71 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: with only two wins buck. But when I look at 72 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: this team, I want to give them a little bit 73 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: of hope going forward into the future because they're starting 74 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: to identify some young pieces here. When you got Matt Brita, 75 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: who went over a hundred yards in this game, did 76 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: a nice job catching the ball as well as had 77 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: a touchdown. Through the year, you look at George Kittle, 78 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: who's emerging as one of the better young tight ends NFL. 79 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: Man that I didn't either. We didn't hardly do anything 80 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: in college. So uh, they've got some young weapons. And 81 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: now you think about, Okay, next year you get Jimmy 82 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: Garoppolo back. Next year you get Jerick McKinnon back, they 83 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: have another high draft pick, maybe you sprinkle in a 84 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: free agent or two. I know, I feel like it's 85 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: you don't want them to turn into what the Jags 86 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: used to be. We always talked about, oh, next year, 87 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: next year, next year, next year. But they are adding pieces. 88 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: And that's what I was thinking when I left the 89 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: the Oakland Coliseum last week, was Okay, you're gonna have 90 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: of the building process, the rebuilding process. We talked about 91 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: it with the Jets, Um, you look at it here 92 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: with the forty Niners. The key is where are you 93 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: at in that process. It's nice to have a top 94 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: five pick when you have at least a handful of 95 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: of building blocks in place. And I do think the 96 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: forty Niners. And then you go over the defensive side 97 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: of the ball. We know they've got some young players there. 98 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: You know the force Buckner's is a special player. Uh. 99 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: They've got some guys on that side of the ball 100 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: that they get you fired up. And Fred Warners is 101 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: another rookie who's playing well. Um, so if you have 102 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: a handful of those building blocks, man, this thing can 103 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: happen for you can turn it. It's just it's like 104 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: that that flywhee. You keep pulling on it, pulling on, 105 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: eventually that thing is just gonna start spinning. I think 106 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: they have some good pieces in place there with the 107 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: forty Niners. Yeah, I mean, I think I think there's 108 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: certainly things to build on. The One thing that continues 109 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: to impress me about San Francisco forty Niners, it's Kyle 110 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: Shanahan's ability to really make every quarterback look like a 111 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: competent NFL starter. His ability to use to run game play, 112 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: action passes, misdirection deception to create easy completions for the 113 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: quarterback is something that is I mean, it's almost unrivaled 114 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: in National Football League. Nick Mullins looks like a very 115 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: very competent mid level starter in the National Football League, 116 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: even though he's an undrafted free agent. And then when 117 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: you look at their defense, they do have some pieces, 118 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: uh up front, they have some guys that can get 119 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: after the past or need to continue to address some 120 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: of the things in the back end. But I like 121 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: how the San Francisco forty Niners uh appeared to be trending. However, 122 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: at some point, you know that window where we talk 123 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: about like hey, they're coming, They're coming, they're coming. You 124 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: gotta win some games. They gotta win some games. They 125 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: gotta start putting some dubs in the column. And so 126 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see how they finish up this year. 127 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you can be optimistic. But next year, 128 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, they gotta start getting done. Jimmy Garoppolo has 129 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: to play a huge role in that, no question. But uh, 130 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: it definitely interesting. Speaking of the forty niners, I thought 131 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: we looked at here at the at the top ten. 132 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: If the season ended today, Uh, your Oakland Raiders would 133 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: have the first overall pick. Uh. The Arizona Cardinals would 134 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: be second, forty third. Uh, you got the two New 135 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: York teams once again. Jets at four, Giants at five, 136 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Cleveland at six. It's been a Whileston who see them 137 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: picked down there at six, Tampa Bay at seven, Detroit 138 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: at eight, Buffalo at nine, And uh, who is it 139 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: to Denver at ten? I believe it's Denver at ten. 140 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: I can't even read my own writing. Man, that's that's 141 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: Denver at ten. Wow. There you go, there's your there's 142 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: your top ten. There anything interesting that jumps out to 143 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: you there? Well, I think the thing that that jumps 144 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: out to me at the top of the board. Uh, 145 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: if you're the Oakland Raiders, and we know the depth 146 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: of this draft is really gonna be on defense, pass rushers, 147 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: um and the like. But if you're the Oakland Raiders, 148 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: you have an offensive minded guy who is in control 149 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: of the program. Do they look to fix their offense? 150 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: Did they look to find more explosive weapons? You talked 151 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: about it. Uh on Monday's podcast, you talked about they 152 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: just don't have any playmakers. They don't have any playmakers anywhere, 153 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: and so what are the playmakers that they can invest in. 154 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: Are those playmakers a defensive end or defense tackle that 155 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: can create headaches by being able to pressure to pass 156 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: or is it someone in the passing game. I don't 157 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: think that is a wide receiver. Uh, just worthy of 158 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: being like a top pick in this year's draft. We'll 159 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: see how it plays out. And then finally we have 160 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: to address to Derek Carr situation, because Derek Carr appears 161 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: to regress. You were there, you saw him. I mean, 162 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: does he still look like a guy that we used 163 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: to talk about? It? It's hard, you know when you 164 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: get there. Look, he's not playing grade and uh, that's obvious. 165 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: But man again, I keep coming back to where do 166 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: you go with the football? Like you do? You know? 167 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know. It's tough to make 168 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: an evaluation when you don't have anything and there is 169 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: literally nothing. They have nothing on that team right now. Nah, 170 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean they don't have anything. It's it's amazing that 171 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: this team was twelve and four a couple of seasons 172 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: ago and now there at the bottom. The way they 173 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: got them with three three picks in the first round. 174 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: I you know, we keep coming back. We talked about 175 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: this in the springtime about philosophically, Um, you know, building 176 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: your roster, and there's two different ways to do it, right. 177 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: You have the let's build up the higher roster and 178 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: then let's drop in the quarterback or do you just 179 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: get that franchise quarterback and then spend the next year 180 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: is trying to surround him with talent. I think because 181 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: this Raider's team is so void of talent and they 182 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: have a lot of draft picks, I almost think the 183 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: smart thing to do at this point in time would be, okay, um, 184 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: even trade back with some of these picks and just 185 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: collect as many as you can. Don't don't just just 186 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: leave Derek Carr there for right now and go. You 187 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: have so many needs, so many different places you can trade. 188 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: But if they're picking first, you know, at that point 189 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: in time, I think I probably would take Bosa, But 190 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: their second pick is, uh, where is their second pick? Here? 191 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: Would be sixteen? Like for me, sixteen, I might even 192 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, trade out of the first round, maybe get 193 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: another one next year. You have three ones to following year, 194 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: pick up some some multiple picks in the second, third round. 195 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: They have needs everywhere, and I think I would look 196 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: for them with some of these extra picks they have, uh, 197 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: to trade back a little bit they have. They would 198 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: pick right now? Uh they have one, they have sixteen, 199 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: and they have twenty five. So would be the pick 200 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: they got for for Khalil Mack sixteen from the Cowboys 201 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: for Mariy Cooper and then they've rightfully earned number one. Yeah, 202 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I don't know right now. I 203 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of confidence in the picker, be 204 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: a John Gruden or even Regiment. Maybe and you give 205 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: yourself more more lottery tickets, but this yeah, maybe you 206 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: just add more bad players. I don't know, but they 207 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: have to figure it out because now they're in the 208 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: total rebuild. I know, free agency they can go and 209 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: try and find some guys and maybe they find their 210 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: offensive weapons uh in free agency, um like that, and 211 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: then they commit to building their defense up through the draft. 212 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: But regardless of Oakland, Raiders have to get it right. 213 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: They have to find some playmakers in this draft. I 214 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: think a fascinating team to really look at it. And 215 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: we've talked about it, um, the New York Jets. Because 216 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: the New York Jets now they have their quarterback of 217 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: the future, potentially they could have a new coach. When 218 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: we look at this draft, we talked about this draft 219 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: being very very heavy when it comes to defense. Um, 220 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's gonna be a running back 221 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: or why receiver that is worthy of being picked. Maybe 222 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: there's a tight end, but can you take a tighten 223 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: in the top ten? This might be you know what, 224 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: this is going to be a difference maker. This is 225 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: going to be a uh go defense in the draft, 226 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be all your free agency be focuses 227 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: on offense for the Jets. That's my guess. Yeah, I 228 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: mean I think that that's that's what it will will 229 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: have to be and and we have seen Mike mccaigman 230 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: UH take the best player available whenever he's been in 231 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: the top ten, and it's worked out really well for him, 232 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Lennard Williams, Uh Jamal Adams even in the top twenties 233 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: when he took to ron Lee. Uh, it has worked out. 234 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: They do a good job of drafting defensive guys. So 235 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: maybe you're right. Maybe they do commit their free agent 236 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: capital to being able to find offensive guys, and they 237 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: continue to draft and kind of build up this defense 238 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: that has been disappointing of late, but this defense is 239 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: still loaded with talent. You know what I forgot is 240 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: that Green Bay, having uh made that trade with New 241 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: Orleans when New Orleans came up for Davenport, they have 242 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: two ones uh in the first round right now. At 243 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: the season end of today, green Bay would be picking 244 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: let's see, they were picking twenty one and thirty one, 245 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: So two first round picks for the Packers chance to 246 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: get better there, I've metered. See. Look, we got plenty 247 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: of time to uh to jump into the draft stuff. 248 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: Speaking of the green Bay Packers, UH, this is a 249 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: fun conversation. I think you're gonna enjoy I get a 250 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: chance to talk with one of the all time great 251 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL and the UH the new focus 252 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: here on the NFL football life. Here's our conversation with 253 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: Mike Hombre. Alright, Bucky, I know, uh, I'm fired up 254 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: for this interview. You might even be more fired up 255 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: for this interview a man you know quite well. Super 256 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: Bowl winning head coach Mike Holmgren joins the show. Coach, 257 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: how are you doing today? I'm doing great, guys. Good 258 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: to talk with you. Well, I know, I know Bucky 259 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: wants to jump in here right away because you guys, 260 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: go way back, Go ahead, buck. Hey, coaches, is such 261 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: an honor to talk to you because it's been a while. Um. 262 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: The first thing I kind of want to talk to 263 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: you about, obviously, you have such a remarkab career in 264 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: terms of coaching quarterbacks. What are some of the things 265 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: that you look for when you're looking at a quarterback 266 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: and where they can be a franchise quarterback? Well, it's 267 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: it's Uh. I was very fortunate, you know, to deal 268 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: with uh, some great players over the years, and I 269 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 1: know when I was with the forty niners and was 270 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: sent out when I was the quarterback coach there to 271 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: actually scout out the quarterbacks all over the country. Uh 272 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: that then we might draft there. Of course, Joe Montana 273 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: was playing there, but we went over he I had 274 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: to look at a lot of young guys, and so 275 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: I did. I did kind of prioritize my list of 276 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: what I thought was important. Uh. It started with obviously 277 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: the most obvious, saying as Kenny passed the ball and 278 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: Kenny be accurate. That's the number one thing the quarterback 279 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: has to be able to do. Secondly, his intelligence and 280 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 1: his ability to grasp your system and understand, uh, what 281 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: you wanted to do. Thirdly, his judgment and you can 282 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: look at film and and and look at things like that. 283 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: And then lastly, his ability to move in the pocket 284 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: a little bit. Now today you know the quarterbacks are 285 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: running more than they used to. But in those days, 286 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: uh just it didn't have to be a great runner, 287 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: but he had to be able to get you first 288 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: down is running on occasion, but move well into pocket. 289 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: So those are the four main things, coach, I want 290 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: to hit you up on on that thought there we 291 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: wrote these down. We're always keeping track at that position 292 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: of of what people have been wildly successful. Are looking for, so, 293 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: of all the quarterbacks that you've been around, I want 294 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: to see who you would say, uh, was tops in 295 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: these individual categories you just mentioned. So if we started 296 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: with the number one thing being accuracy, all the greats 297 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: that you've been around, who was the most accurate quarterback 298 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: you coached? Well, Joe Montana was the most accurate. And 299 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: and they've listened. I've been asked that question a few 300 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: times because you know, I was able to coach Joe 301 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: and Steve Young and Brett Farvee and Matt Hasselbeck and 302 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: Steve Bono and a bunch of guys. But Joe was remarkable. 303 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: He was the first I came into the league. I 304 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: got to coach Joe Montana. Pretty good for a young quarterback, 305 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: not too bad. How about the next one? Just intelligence. 306 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: Don't worry about insulting anybody here, coach, They're all smart guys. 307 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: Were just saying, who was at the top of the 308 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: two is at the top of the food? Yeah, and 309 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: I would I would probably added a word of football intelligence. 310 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: You know, there there are guys who are great students 311 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: in classroom and all that, but football intelligence is is 312 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit different, I think, and 313 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: your ability to understand the game and understand your coach 314 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: and the scheme you're running. And I would say, there's 315 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot to choose Once once they understood it, uh, 316 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: they were able to execute it. Now. There were times 317 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: with Steve when he came to the forty niners and 318 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: far when I had him as a young player Matt 319 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: Hasselbeck as a young player that you know, it takes 320 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: a while before they can function. I think that they're 321 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: at the top of their game. You know, you're two 322 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: in the same system. I think that's very, very important. 323 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: And all of them at some point came up to 324 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: me and said, coaches, I get it. The game is 325 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: slower for me. Now I understand it. And I said, well, good, 326 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad you know why they take you so long. 327 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: How about how about I just jumped a movement. Their 328 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: last one coach the movement. Well, Steve was the was 329 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: a great runner. I mean he was. I had him 330 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: in college at b y U and he he uh, 331 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: he really could run. And Rhett and Joe and uh, 332 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: we're had ability that way too. They did use it 333 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: as much. And then Matt, I'd say was more relied 334 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: on dumping the ball off. You know, I kind of 335 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: was worried when he started running on occasion, but uh 336 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: with with Steve, and I've told Steve this and he 337 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: knows this. Steve, when he get into trouble, he would 338 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: use his running to get out of trouble on even 339 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: in the pros early on, and when he he learned 340 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: the offense enough to be able to dump the ball 341 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: off and not take the punishment running that he could 342 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: get those first downs and get out of trouble dumping 343 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: the ball off and passing the ball, then that was 344 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: the next little step that he became a Hall of 345 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: Fame quarterback. You know, Coach. Is funny you talked about 346 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: the development with Steve Young, developing it from being I 347 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: guess what would be called in today's game a duel 348 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: three quarterback to being able to play it from the pocket. Um. 349 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: Being in Green Bay with you and watching you personally 350 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: work with Brett Farve, what were some of the challenges 351 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: of taking a guy that is super talented but not 352 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: quote unquote a structured player within a system. Bucky, I 353 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: don't don't know, if we have enough time. All my 354 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: challenges with actually I tease him about it to this day. 355 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: He was I had more fun coaching Brett, I think 356 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: than any player I ever had. But he was he 357 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: was kind of a wild stallion. He was tremendously talented, 358 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: and he had played the game a certain way and 359 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: been good at it, uh for a for a long time. 360 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: And then I remember at the end of each season, 361 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: I would meet with the quarterbacks to see what can 362 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: we do to get better next year? How can we 363 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: make our game better and the team better and all that, 364 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: And I went over a number of things for him, 365 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: and he said, Mike, that's not how I play the game. 366 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: I played the game this way, and I'm kind of 367 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: and I said, okay, but you want to go to 368 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, don't you? And he goes yes. And 369 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: I said, okay, we can be nine and seven, we 370 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: can be ten and six and and and and get 371 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. But if we want to get to 372 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, I'm asking to try and let's correct 373 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: these things. And to his credit, to his credit, he 374 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: did that. He met me. And that's when when you 375 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: can get with a quarterback of gifted quarterback like like 376 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Brett or any of those other guys, and they all 377 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're they're willing to meet you halfway. Uh, 378 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: then you got something special. And that's what happened with Brett, 379 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: you know, coaching and thinking about that because obviously, um 380 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: when I was there from ninety seven, Andy Reid was 381 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: on the staff and in talking to Andy, Andy had 382 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: talked about seeing some of the same similarities and Pat 383 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: Mahomes that we saw with Brett farming Green Bay. So 384 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've had a chance to talk 385 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: with him, but if you've looked at it from afar, 386 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: do you see Andy having to deal with some of 387 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: the same challenges when it comes to the up in 388 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes as a young player, in terms of harnessing 389 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: him so we can kind of play within the confines 390 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: of the system. I think. I think that's the coach's job, Bucky. 391 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: I think you get any get listen. They're gifted players 392 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: and they get the credit, and you're there to help 393 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: them be the best they can be. Uh. But yeah, 394 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: they gotta listen to you. And and and if if 395 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: a player, if a quarterback can stay with a particular 396 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: coach for a certain length of time and in a 397 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: particular system, then and he's gifted like mahomess and and 398 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: and he's a great coach. Uh, he'll be Yeah, that's 399 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: a special thing. But yeah, you have to harness some 400 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: of the things that maybe they got a well within 401 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: college and uh, and kind of explain why what might 402 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: not work so well in in in the NFL because 403 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: of the speed of the defense and different things. But 404 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: if they're willing to work with you and willing to 405 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: try real hard to go with their great ability, then 406 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: you have something special. Coach. When you look at about 407 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: Andy Reid, and you look at all the hot coaches 408 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL right now and the offenses that are 409 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: taken off. You look at a Sean McVeigh talk about 410 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: Andy Reid, You look at Doug Peterson. Um, we look 411 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: at Kyle Shannon even with his creativity. All of it. 412 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: Kind of the traces all go back through you and 413 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: through Bill Walsh. When you when you're sitting there watching 414 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: games on Sunday, are you calling out plays and formations 415 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: and going out This all looks familiar. I used to 416 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: do it a little bit more than I do it now, 417 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: but I do see a lot of the same philosophy, 418 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, it's interesting in Seattle. Now they're there, 419 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: they've gone to a run first philosophy and it's been 420 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: good for them. It works for them with their particular team. 421 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: That's how they have to do it. But I was 422 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: always like to throw the ball around as Bucky nose 423 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: and and have a little more balance. But you know, 424 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: it was, uh I do. It's it's fun because Coach 425 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: Walsh was an innovator, you know, he he was. And 426 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: I had the privilege of coming into the league and 427 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: working for him and learning from him early on. And 428 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: and then I had Andy and and and John Gruden 429 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: and Mary Ucci and all those guys when they were 430 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: young guys work for me and hopefully, uh, you know, 431 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: I always thought I was a good student for Coach Walsh, 432 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: and I think those guys are good students when they 433 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: work with me, and and now they are great coaches 434 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: in their own right and and very creative. But it 435 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: all steps from like you said, I think I think 436 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: the West Coast offense lends itself to being you can 437 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: do anything with it, you know. Coach is funny and 438 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: saying that because we're talking about these coaches and these 439 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 1: guys that were on the staff when I was there, 440 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson was playing, Gruden had just left, but Andy 441 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: Reid was on staff. But now when I look at them, 442 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: I do see the traces of the West Coast, but 443 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: I see them doing things that we never talked about 444 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: being able to do. Shotgun was a big thing where 445 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: you were kind of reluctant to embrace shotguns. So then 446 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: when you see Andy and Doug and these guys doing 447 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: r p O s and all this fly sweep stuff, 448 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: does it get a little weird for you to be like, 449 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm okay with it, but it's a little 450 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: different from watching the West Coast that has always been 451 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: a staple. Yeah, it is. And I teach them about it. 452 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: When I worked the Super Bowl last year and had 453 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: and had a good chance to see Doug again and 454 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: and and talk to him, and I said, we are 455 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: you getting this stuff? I never taught you that stuff, 456 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, And uh, I would do the same thing 457 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: to Andy. But it's really fun to watch. I mean, 458 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: their creativity. You know, what they've done is they've taken 459 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're coaching, and you have a philosophy, 460 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: and you have a type of offense you want to run, 461 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you have these players, 462 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: and so the good coaches and those guys you mentioned 463 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: are all great coaches. They take what they know and 464 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: they adapted and and and and and make it bigger 465 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: based on the players that they have. And uh, the 466 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: guys you mentioned have done a great job of that. 467 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: It's fun to watch coach and thinking about that. So 468 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: now all the rules are for the offense. And I 469 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: know you're done and you don't want to coach anymore. 470 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: But man, if you could turn back the clock with 471 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: the rules that they are of the day, would you 472 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: throw it even more than you threw it back in 473 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: the day? I probably would dry, But I wish we bucky. 474 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: You know, we threw it a awful lot. I remember 475 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: I remember going to a press conference here in Seattle, 476 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: and you know, you remember my line coach, Tom Lava. 477 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: Uh do you remember Tom? And he was a great 478 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: line coach and an offensive lineman. Liked the run block. 479 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: They liked to come off and tee off on guys. 480 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: But I remember me and said, Okay, we're not running 481 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: it anymore. I'm mad at the we can't get in 482 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: the yard where we're passing it on every play. And 483 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: then then they'd get me in a quiet when I 484 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: calmed down, I'm more mature now than I used to be. Uh. 485 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: And they say, Mike, we can't pass it every play. Go, yes, 486 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: we can't. Okay, we won't pass. We won't pass it 487 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: every play. We'll run a little bit. I'll tell you what, Coach, 488 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: I love these stories. You can hear more of these 489 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: stories by the Way of Football Life. It's premiering Friday, 490 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: eight pm Eastern on Coach Home Green. Were interviews with 491 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Farve, and Matt Hasselback, the quarterbacks. 492 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: We've been talking a little bit about today, Coach, I 493 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: want you to see if you can help us on 494 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: the scouting side of things here. Uh. In terms of 495 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: questions when we're going through the draft process. We both 496 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: sat in those Combine interviews. We've both been through that 497 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: process where you're meeting with these players and a lot 498 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: of times to find out the right information you gotta 499 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: ask the right question. Was there was there a go 500 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: to with you when you were meeting with these kids. 501 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: I know Ozzy Knewsome used to always ask about give 502 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: me an example some adversity you've been through in your life. 503 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: And how you came out the other side of it. 504 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: But to get to know these kids, and you go 505 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: back to your time as a high school UH coach 506 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: and teacher, what are some good questions we can be 507 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: asking these kids as we meet with them before the draft. 508 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: I think you have to realize whatever the questions, however 509 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: you form the question, you have to be fairly certain. 510 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: I think that the questions you asked tell you whether 511 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: it's one the player, that young man is listening, whether 512 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: he's coachable, and you know, if if he thinks through 513 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: his answers instead of just the just the wrote answer, 514 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: the normal answer that comes out. And there ain'ty number 515 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: of questions that I tried to talk about family as 516 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: an example, I wanted to know how you know, as family, 517 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: tell me, talk to me about your dad, your mom, 518 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: boom to me the other everyone's different. So but to 519 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: me that was something that told me a little bit 520 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: more about the young man. The football stuff, the actual 521 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: football stuff you see on film. I wanted to know 522 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: more about really the inside because you can't see that 523 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: stuff on film, you know, and you want to learn 524 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: a little bit more about Will he listened to me, ken, Ken? 525 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: Can we will we trust one another and look at you. 526 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: Everybody in the draft you make everyone makes a mistake 527 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: now and then. But the way it's done now where 528 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: everyone gets pretty much the same information statistically and all 529 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, access to film, if you can 530 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: be a little more personal in your questions, just to 531 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: get a little feel for the chemist tree, if you will, 532 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be for not only between the player 533 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: and the coach, but as the leader for that team. 534 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 1: You know, coach, I can't let you go because as 535 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: much as we talked about quarterbacks, you also were around 536 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: some great wide receivers Jerry Rice and John Taylor and 537 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: guys that played in Green Baby, Robert Brook and Antonio Freeman. 538 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: And the one thing that I've talked to these guys 539 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: about here on the podcast, we've talked about the importance 540 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: of funding why receivers who were former punt returners. Can 541 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: you kind of explain why that philosophy was big to 542 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: you and why it's so important to have guys that 543 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: can run with the ball in their hands. Well, that's 544 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: that ties in Bucky with the West Coast offense. You 545 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: know a lot of the throws that we had were 546 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: catch and then run throws. They weren't pushing the ball 547 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: down way way down the field like some offenses do. 548 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: So when you saw somebody who could return kicks and 549 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: return punt, first of all, the concentration to catch a 550 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: punt under that kind of pressure, you know he was. 551 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: He had confidence in his hands, That's the first thing. 552 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: The second thing is you know his ability. Then you 553 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: could see him move and you can see him run. 554 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: And I was always thinking about yards after the catch. 555 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: And take a guy like John Taylor, who played split 556 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: end for US in San Francisco. The slant, just the 557 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: slant pattern, which is a normal pattern. Everyone runs it, 558 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: and you think it's pretty basic and pretty easy. Well 559 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: it is, But then what yards do you get after 560 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: catching the slant? And I remember again against the Rams, 561 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: we beat the Rams because he ran one for eight 562 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: yards and one for ninety yards to beat the Rams. Age, 563 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: let's get us in the playoffs. And that's a little 564 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: slant cast. And so yeah, I think you look for that, 565 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: and those guys were good examples of that. Brooks Freeman 566 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: was aunt returned guy. I don't think Jerry ever returned punts. 567 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: I didn't want him back there too much. Well, We'll 568 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: just throw him the ball, let him work. I'll tell 569 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: you what, Coach, we won't take any more time. We 570 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: know you're busy today. We could go on all day. 571 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Reggie White a topic we didn't even get into. 572 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: But you can check out and learn all about Coach 573 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: Homegren and his football life, which premiers eight pm Eastern 574 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: on NFL Network. Trust me, this is gonna be one 575 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: of the best and I cannot wait to see it. Coach, 576 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: we appreciate your generosity with your time today. No, thank 577 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: you guys, very very much. It was nice talking to you. Thanks. 578 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: It's good seeing you. Well there you have a buck man. 579 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: I know you have such a great relationship with coach, 580 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: but uh, I took notes. I took notes throughout that 581 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: entire interview. It's a great insight there from Coach homebren Man, 582 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: Coach Home was one of the best. He's one of 583 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: the best. He's been around it. He uh kind of 584 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: spistic gospels straight from Bill Walsh's mouth and having been 585 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: around him first as a player coach and then working 586 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: in the front office when he was the executive VP 587 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: and hey coach of the Seattle Seahawks, um he has 588 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: a clear philosophy and what he believes in. I think 589 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: the thing that is fascinating is to hear him talk 590 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: and then to know that all of his descendants are 591 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: kind of changing the way football is played. Andy Reid 592 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: in particularly, I can't tell you enough about Andy. Andy 593 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: Reid was the tie didn't coach when I was there. 594 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: Andy Reid would run the scout team. Andy Reid eventually 595 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: moved up and became the quarterbacks coach who was very 596 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: close and instrumental in the development of bread for But 597 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: I never would have thought that coach Reid would be 598 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: the innovator that was seeing the National Football League. Um, 599 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: when I tell you about that conversation that I had 600 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: with Coach Holgern, Coach Homegren was serious about the time 601 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: he was at b y U and B y U 602 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: they only had four running plays and he talked about 603 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: that was probably three too many in his mind. And 604 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: so to think about a guy who loves to throw 605 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: the ball, and to think about Andy Reid who worked 606 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: up under him and saw the success that Green Bay 607 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: had throwing the ball all over the yard. To watch 608 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: him in Kansas City where they do throw it, but 609 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: they do a bunch of creative stuff. Um, it's fascinating, 610 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: but it all stems from the way Mike Hogan ran 611 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: that offense and ran that team in Green Bay. Because 612 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I see when I look 613 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: at Kansas City still reminds me of the glory days 614 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: back in Green Bay. Yeah, that was man. I enjoyed 615 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: that and definitely could tell the close relationship and the 616 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: respect that coach has for you and and obviously goes 617 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: both ways. There. Let's jump in here real quick before 618 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: we get out of here. Just from what we saw 619 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 1: this last weekend in college football, once again, the move 620 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: the six bump has worked. For a guest, Daniel Jones 621 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: came on the podcast and all he did with Stow 622 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: for three sixty one and run for a hundred and 623 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: eighty six yards uh in a big game there for 624 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: the Dukies. Man, he he killed it. Like you know, 625 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: like we're going to have to stop having these guys 626 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: that are on if they're going to impact the game 627 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: that my alma mater is in. So we had we 628 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: were on a couple of weeks ago and he lights 629 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: up the Texas long Corns. Then we talked to Daniel 630 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: Jones and he still maybe scoring touchdowns. Um, he almost 631 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: had six hundred yards by himself. And the way that 632 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: he is controlled, the way he was controlling the action, 633 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: he looked like the prospect that you have started hyping heat. 634 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: That that right there, that film that is a signature 635 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: game film in terms of his ability to make plays 636 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: as a runner in a thrower. Then we are definitely 637 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: on a collision course here with Alabama and Clemson. Uh, 638 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: that showdown is coming. Looks like it's inevitable there. I 639 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: think they both are going to be in the final four. Obviously, 640 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: they're both gonna win their games, probably gonna blowout fashion 641 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: and meet up for what the what is that the 642 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth time they left played play each other 643 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: here in the Adabo saban Era. Fourth time I think right, 644 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: Savans got them two to one right now. One was 645 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: in the semi final last year. So I definitely think 646 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: that's coming. One thing, I finished up those defensive linemen 647 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: for Clemson, Buck, I'm anxious to see once you get 648 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: a chance to really dig in and study these guys because, um, 649 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: dexter Lawrence, because you know very well it's been on 650 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: the show your dad Coachman high school, big, powerful, physical, 651 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: dominant run defender, hold the point of attack. UM. As 652 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: a pass rusher, he's still more of a push the 653 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: pocket guy. When you watch Christian Wilkins, UM, look if 654 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: it's a tough man contest Dexter Williams or sorry, Dexter 655 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: Lawrence every day the weekend and twice on Sunday. Uh. 656 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: But then when you watch we watch forty two and 657 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: you see Christian Wilkins get on the edge and he 658 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: gets some generates and pass rights, will get some tackles 659 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: for lost. Now he will get caught, picked up, forklift 660 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: and dumped on the ground. You would never see happen 661 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: to Big Dexter, but that does happen. So my thing 662 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: is with the way the NFL is, now, what do 663 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: you value more? I think years ago it's Big Dexter. 664 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I might go Wilkins over 665 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: him right now. I think you have to. UM, I 666 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: think you have to and and I'll admit that I 667 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: I've had um probably a crush on Christye Wilkins in 668 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: terms of what he could be at the National Football 669 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: League level, UH for a couple of years now, because 670 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the rare guys that I 671 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: think can play anywhere along the defensive front and being 672 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: effective pass rusher. His athleticism, his body control, his balance, 673 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: his hand skills, those are those are things that are 674 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: really really hard to find. Uh, super athletic rusher. But 675 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: what you talk about is is correct. Like I don't 676 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: know when it comes to his toughness, Um, he is up. 677 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: But then there is such a value to having a 678 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: guy that can be an inside pass rusher and he 679 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: has the ability to definitely go down and maybe be 680 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: an inside rusher as a three technique, even as a 681 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: five technique. And so I ultimately believe it's it's going 682 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: to be what your philosophy is when it comes to 683 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: harass a new quarterback. But I think on most boards, 684 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, Christian Wilkinson. Christian Wilkins 685 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: passional shability will give him the nod and the edge 686 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: over decks of Lawrence on draft deck. Yeah. No, be 687 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: instant to see with Cleveland Farrell because um, I think 688 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: you can kind of you can kind of try and 689 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: make a Yannick and Cockway comparison there with him. Uh, 690 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: he's a little bit tight coming off the edge, but man, 691 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: he plays a hunter miles An how he plays so 692 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: hard and he's obviously been very productive. And you've got 693 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: seven coming off the other side as well. He's a 694 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,239 Speaker 1: good player. I think he's probably more in that uh 695 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: second round type type range. Uh, but he's a good 696 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: player as well. And in Austin Bryant. So they they've 697 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: got dudes. Man, it's and then they'll tell you what 698 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: the kid that we saw at the opening number three, 699 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: that freshman, oh my gosh from exit, was it Xavier 700 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: Thomas from I m G. Yeah, dude, that dude has 701 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: got some juice, uh coming off the edge. And they 702 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: have everything that you could want there. I mean, they're loaded, man, 703 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: they have some so many players, I mean, and you're 704 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: saying it it comes down to the halves and halfs nots. 705 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: They're only about seven or eight schools that I think 706 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: can seriously vie for the national title, and they all 707 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: are built the same. And I think, uh, I'm gonna 708 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: throw Notre Dame in there, because when I look at 709 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, I think Brian Kelly took notes while he 710 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: was getting that whipping in the National Championship Game a 711 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: few weeks ago. When you look at Notre Dame, now, 712 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I'm not saying they are Alabama, but they're 713 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: built like Alabama, meaning they're big. They're big everywhere there. 714 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: We talked about the other day, if you look at 715 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: the offensive lineman, since that game, Notre Dames produced better 716 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: NFL offensive lineman. Yes, and they're built the right way. 717 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: They have big wide receivers, big physical running back. When 718 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: you go to their defense, even their dps are long 719 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: and and in physical and and big and so they 720 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: have kind of like that heavyweight fighter mentality. And it's 721 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: playing out on the on the field. And then the 722 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: two teams that we always have to talk about being 723 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: in there. Ohio State is always in the mix. They're 724 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: probably more talented than they are together when it comes 725 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: to the chemistry and continuity, but their talent gives them 726 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: a chance. And then Michigan. Michigan plays the style of 727 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: football that would give them an opportunity to play. Now, 728 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: are they talented enough to go toto toe with Alabama 729 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: and a fist fight in a neutral sight game. I 730 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: don't know, but I do believe the way they're built, 731 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: they look like one of those teams that could kind 732 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: of be in the mix. There is still a chance 733 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: though and then we'll finish with this. But there is 734 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: a chance Alabama can be dominant throughout the whole year, 735 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: could lose one game and be out. Oh they're losing 736 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: the championship game. If they lose to Georgia and George's 737 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: in right, Michigan if well, I mean it would have 738 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: been Michigan or Alabama. Michigan would have won the Big 739 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: Ten with one loss. They I would think they would 740 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: get in over Alabama, don't you. They're both one lost 741 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: one one the conference championship, the other one didn't. And 742 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: Michigan's loss is a good loss to Notre Dame, and 743 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: Notre Dame goes undefeated. They're in UM and Clemson's undefeated there, 744 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: and so to me, I think there's a chance Alabama 745 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: by far the best to even the country. If they 746 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: stuff there till once they might be out. They could 747 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: be at that. You know what, You just never see 748 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: it happen, but never ever know. The one thing about 749 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: Georgia Alabama matchup we saw lashing in the championship game. 750 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: Curryspond knows how to deal with Alabama. He's already scared 751 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: than anybody. But that would be a good matchup, good matchup. 752 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: They're just saying, I'll be interesting to see what happens. 753 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us today. I 754 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: appreciate you guys checking us out. We have a bunch 755 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: of videos up preview videos for NFL games as well 756 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: as a video coming out on the NFC East and 757 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: who we like in that division. You can find all 758 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: those videos NFL dot com slash MTS video or YouTube 759 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: dot com h slash NFL. Thank you guys for listening 760 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: to the podcast. We'll catch you next time. Right here, 761 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: I'll move the sticks