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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 2: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 4: Indeed, we do nice to have you back, sir.

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Speaker 3: You have slightly recuperated and doing my best over here.

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Speaker 4: Now this is a little rough, but we're glad to

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Speaker 3: We'll get through it.

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Speaker 4: Lots to get to you this morning.

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Speaker 1: We have some new just devastating numbers for Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: that we can go through, some interesting comments from voters

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Speaker 1: also have some big legal developments in a giant admission

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Speaker 1: from Fanny Willis down there in Georgia's will break all

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Speaker 1: also Trump apparently sort of assuming that he is going

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Speaker 1: the White House back anyway, So we'll tell you about.

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Speaker 4: All of that.

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Speaker 1: We also have the US swearing that the Middle Eastern

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Speaker 1: many things to report on there, including a new report

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Speaker 1: that CNN's staffers themselves employees of CNN, are accusing that

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Speaker 1: network of journalistic malpractice. I'm taking a look at a

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Speaker 1: new IDF admission that they were in fact behind this

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: And we have a guest on to break down a

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Speaker 1: new report about who exactly are the millionaire and billionaire

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Speaker 4: So a lot to get into this morning, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited for that, in particular to talk to them,

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Speaker 2: and we've got good news for everybody. The RFK Junior

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Speaker 2: our team is on the ground there in the States.

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Speaker 2: We have a discount going on for the election season

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Speaker 2: have to say about the libertarian push. There's been some

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Speaker 3: Who are you? You know, what do you want?

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Speaker 2: Why are you supporting RFK Junior, and what are some

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the primaries not that interesting. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I wish there was like some real democracy and choice

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Speaker 4: So that's going to be really interested.

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Speaker 3: Really exciting to see the results.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of those where one of

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Speaker 2: the worst signs for Joe Biden yet. In the latest

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Speaker 2: still lose the overall electoral college. One of the problems, though,

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Speaker 2: That's the worst possible position I think you could say

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the other counter you would say is

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Speaker 1: And this is very, very very apparent to people. They've

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Speaker 3: What is it money running?

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Speaker 5: So I just think that Donald Trump, in spite of

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Speaker 6: And they want to be him, you know, they want

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Speaker 1: you put it, but like how dare you? Where's your

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Speaker 1: question of Biden of like why are you risking democracy

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Speaker 1: in order to back this insane right wing net Yahoo government?

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Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? That's the real question to

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Speaker 1: ask here. So, I mean, there is there's a lot

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Speaker 1: going on here. But you know, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I was thinking about is since Trump burst on

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Speaker 1: the scene, he has become the central dividing line in

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Speaker 1: American politics. And it's one of the things that I've

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Speaker 1: hated about the Trump era because it basically squeezes out

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Speaker 1: any of the real like vision, policy direction questions that

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Speaker 1: you know, that I would like our politics to.

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Speaker 4: Actually center on.

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Speaker 1: It just becomes about how do you feel about the

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Speaker 1: personality of Donald Trump? And the Biden team's assumption is

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Speaker 1: basically that is going to continue to hold and he's

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Speaker 1: going to continue to serve as this incredible force of

458
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Speaker 1: negative polarization where Biden can basically do anything so long

459
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Speaker 1: as he is not Trump. That anti Trump coalition is

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Speaker 1: going to hold together just like it did in twenty twenty,

461
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Speaker 1: and they are going to suck it up and they're

462
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Speaker 1: going to come out again enthusiastically in high numbers to

463
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Speaker 1: vote against Donald Trump. And I'm just not sure that

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Speaker 1: that cake still bakes the way that it used to.

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Speaker 1: I think it's worn a little thin. I think people

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Speaker 1: have justifiably have other concerns that they're worried about, and

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Speaker 1: they're not willing to just vote out of fear anymore,

468
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Speaker 1: and the terror of potentially, well, what if Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: gets elected, because the reality is they've already been to

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Speaker 1: that movie. They know they may not have enjoyed when

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was in office, but they survived, they got

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Speaker 1: to the other side of it. And then there's this

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Speaker 1: other aspect of you know, Trump is an incredible showman,

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Speaker 1: and when so much of our politics has collapsed to

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Speaker 1: like vibes in the theater, you got one guy who's

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Speaker 1: like charismatic and has swagger and another guy who they

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Speaker 1: won't even let do interviews. So there's that piece as well, which,

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Speaker 1: again I wish that didn't matter that much. You know,

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Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't all a show. I wish it

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Speaker 1: wasn't all just the political theater and the vibes of it.

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Speaker 1: But that's the reality of how American politics operates at

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Speaker 1: this point.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's really well said.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, we would be stupid as analysts

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Speaker 2: not to note that that is very obviously the case.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next part here, because it

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Speaker 2: highlights again some of the problems for Biden in that

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Speaker 2: showmanship piece. For the second year in a row, Biden

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Speaker 2: has decided not to take part in a pre super

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Speaker 2: Bowl interview.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 2: The super Bowl is the most watched event in all

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Speaker 2: of America.

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Speaker 3: I actually went back and checked Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Out of the one hundred top broadcasts of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: For ninety four were football related.

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Speaker 2: The only thing this country still watches, the only thing

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Speaker 2: that we're all tied together is football.

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Speaker 3: I don't even watch it.

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Speaker 4: Would be ninety four football. I guess. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Every week different markets, games, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: People in the.

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Speaker 2: Comments can tell me all about their wars with their

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Speaker 2: regional broadcasters. I've even I failed to understand how exact

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Speaker 2: you're supposed watch fotball in this country across five channel

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Speaker 2: streaming services extra. The point is is that everybody watches

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl pretty much. The vast majority of Americans

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Speaker 2: will engage with the Super Bowl in some way or

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Speaker 2: the other, either online or actually watching the event live.

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Speaker 2: The pre Super Bowl interview is a hallmark tradition of

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Speaker 2: the American presidency. They don't do it, you know, for kicks.

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Speaker 2: They do it because it's the easiest way to reach

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of people when they're getting ready for

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Speaker 2: the game. The second year in a row now deciding

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Speaker 2: not to take part in the interview, and it's look,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is not going to be a very

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Speaker 2: tough interview. It's like with a friendly news organization too.

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Speaker 2: And yet the explanation that they give is totally ridiculous

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Speaker 2: when they're blind the fact that he's afraid that he's old,

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Speaker 2: and that it's going to come across. The more that

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Speaker 2: people see him, the less they're going to vote for him.

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Speaker 2: Here was their excuse the Biden campaign to CNN when

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Speaker 2: asked about this.

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Speaker 8: Just gotten this news from CBS that the White House

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Speaker 8: has turned down a request for the President to participate

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Speaker 8: in that traditional interview.

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Speaker 3: Before the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: So I don't have to tell you. This is the

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Speaker 8: night where I think more Americans tune in than any

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Speaker 8: other night of the year. It is the most popular

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Speaker 8: programming of the year. So why was that decision made?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'll.

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Speaker 9: Certainly be tuning into the game, but I don't know

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Speaker 9: about you. During pregame, I'm usually still making my chillier,

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Speaker 9: putting my beer in the cooler. So I don't know

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Speaker 9: how many eyeballs we're going to lose during pregame coverage.

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Speaker 9: This campaign is definitely going to do everything it needs

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Speaker 9: to do to reach the voters who are going to

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Speaker 9: decide this election. That's why we're running an ad during

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Speaker 9: the Grammys tomorrow night, for example.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but running an ad during the Grammys, I mean

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Speaker 8: that costs you something. This is free advertising if you

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Speaker 8: will that. This is millions and millions, tens of millions

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Speaker 8: of eyeballs. So why would the president not want to

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Speaker 8: do that? It seems like an easy decision.

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Speaker 9: Again, the President's going to continue to campaign and continue

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Speaker 9: to hold interviews across the country from now through November.

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Speaker 9: I'm not too concerned about pregame coverage right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So their reasoning is, well, we buy ads during

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Speaker 2: the Grammys. So in twenty twenty two, sorry, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: twelve point five million people watch the Grammys.

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Speaker 3: I want to meet these people and be like, what's

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Speaker 3: wrong with you? But that's a second story.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and fifteen million people watch the super Bowl

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Yeah, so ten times the number

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Speaker 2: of people watch the super Bowl as opposed to watch

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Speaker 2: the Grammys, and yet they're like, well, we bought ads

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Speaker 2: at the Gramm What.

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Speaker 3: Are these people doing?

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Speaker 2: Unless the less that we see in Biden, the more

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Speaker 2: that we see of something else that may have caused

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Speaker 2: you to vote against Trump, is their best strategy. Now,

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Speaker 2: I do want to be honest, I think this is

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Speaker 2: probably their best strategy. The more the people see of Biden,

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Speaker 2: it's I mean, people are like, Wow, this man is

566
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Speaker 2: so old.

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Speaker 3: I literally cannot believe he's the president. He also is

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Speaker 3: very reluctant.

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Speaker 2: He has given less interviews than any prior president in

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Speaker 2: modern American history, press conferences as well.

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Speaker 3: Why because he talks out of turn and.

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Speaker 2: He's probably going to get asked an uncomfortable question or two,

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Speaker 2: even in a friendly interview Crystal about Israel, and what's

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Speaker 2: he going to say.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, he doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: He barely even knows what he's going to say about Israel,

577
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Speaker 2: about the border, about all these issues where he's dramatically

578
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Speaker 2: you know, underwater with the American people. Not to mention,

579
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Speaker 2: he could have you know, some flubb in terms of

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Speaker 2: his age. So this is a real problem for him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just think it's an immense sign of

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Speaker 2: weakness to not take part in this interview, and A

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Speaker 2: it's undemocratic, you know, in terms of not wanting to

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Speaker 2: show yourself.

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Speaker 3: But B it does show you how that is the

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Speaker 3: this is their only chance that.

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Speaker 2: People come out to vote against Trump. It may work too,

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Speaker 2: that's the crazy part.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right that if I was his campaign eight,

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Speaker 1: if I was dedicating my life to getting Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: re elected, as is probably a choice that would make

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Speaker 1: as well, because of two reasons. Number one, it's painful

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Speaker 1: to listen to him. Every sentence is like torturous, and

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Speaker 1: it's like uncomfortable because you are wondering at all times

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Speaker 1: if he's going to be able to stick the landing

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Speaker 1: or if his brain is just going to like melt

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Speaker 1: in front of your eyes. So there's that, And then

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Speaker 1: there's also the fact every time he does open his

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Speaker 1: mouth he's like a little bit too honest, you know,

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Speaker 1: like when he got asked about the our strikes on

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Speaker 1: the hoofies, like, hey, is this working, He's like is

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Speaker 1: it working? No?

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Speaker 4: Is it going to continue?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So I think there's also a fear of him, of

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Speaker 1: the old man being a little bit too accidentally, honest

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Speaker 1: in the insanity that is our foreign policy and many

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Speaker 1: other policies besides at this point, and that's not the

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Speaker 1: only time when he, as you put it, Zaga, spoken

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Speaker 1: on a turn and gotten himself into hot water. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many times have there been comments about China and

612
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Speaker 1: Taiwan that we're all over the map?

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Speaker 4: That caused all kinds of diplomatic issues as well.

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Speaker 1: So they're like, you know what, the best thing we

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Speaker 1: can do is keep this man under wraps, record some

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Speaker 1: ads where we have one hundred percent control over what

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Speaker 1: the messaging is and how wears and what we're doing here.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, just like hope and pray that

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Speaker 1: Trump is enough to keep people in line once again

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Speaker 1: one war time.

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Speaker 4: Lynn, Let's hope that those midterm results.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope that those special election results carry over for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, like you said, it's not a

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Speaker 2: bad strategy. At the same time, in terms of bleeding

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Speaker 2: young voters.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there. This is a hilarious little

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Speaker 3: tidbit that we can show you, he says.

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Speaker 2: The White House, in a reflection of their public confidence

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Speaker 2: regarding the politics of Biden on Israel has arranged a

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Speaker 2: call with the Senator John Fetterman. Fetterman has delighted in

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Speaker 2: trolling left wing critics by resolutely standing with Israel since

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Speaker 2: October seventh, telling me young voters to consider the implications

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Speaker 2: of enabling a candidate who had likely given Nettau even

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Speaker 2: more of a free hand. So I guess what is

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Speaker 2: it the Fetterman justification as well? But Trump, which I

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Speaker 2: mean maybe is right, but we don't have necessarily counterfactual

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Speaker 2: because Trump is not currently the president in terms of

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Speaker 2: how he's handling this, and actually has been very quiet

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Speaker 2: of what he actually thinks about Israel and Gaza, which

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Speaker 2: again I always sense from that man he has timing,

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Speaker 2: He knows exactly what's popular, what's not, what to speak

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Speaker 2: out on of a than when it concerns actually himself

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Speaker 2: and his legal problems. But he seems to think that

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Speaker 2: Fetterman can bail him out or give him some advice

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Speaker 2: with young voters, which is especially ironic, Crystal, because if

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Speaker 2: we go and we pull the Crosstab polling not just

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Speaker 2: on Israel, but with Fetterman himself. Fetterman has had an

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Speaker 2: increase in popularity in Pennsylvania. You want to guess with whom.

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Speaker 3: Boomers all right, boomer loving Yeah, boomers and wine mobs,

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Speaker 3: they're loving John Fetterman. They like his his stick.

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Speaker 2: Actually, young people know they're not very pro John Fetterman

653
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Speaker 2: at all. You know, he's no longer pothead Fetterman and

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Speaker 2: talking about dress code and all that, the Israel stuff,

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Speaker 2: and you know, basically basically being a hardcore Biden stand

656
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Speaker 2: has definitely won him, you know, points with the MSNBC Faithful,

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Speaker 2: but that's not young people well, and.

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Speaker 1: Even the MSNBC Faithful the favor of a seas fire

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Speaker 1: and they're overwhelmingly opposed to find his.

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Speaker 4: Policy on Israel as well.

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Speaker 1: So if you're I don't know what you're going to

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Speaker 1: John Fetterman for, I mean, I guess it's maybe you

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Speaker 1: can commiserate about both of you having trouble completing a

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Speaker 1: sentence or formulating a thought as evidence by put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. The reporter at the INTERCEP prem talker.

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Speaker 1: He interviewed John Fetterman about his support for suspending aid

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Speaker 1: to UNRA at a time when you know, cousins are

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Speaker 1: literally starving to death, while allegations against point zero four

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Speaker 1: percent of its staff are investigated versus his opposition and

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Speaker 1: doing the same for Israeli forces through the ICJ and

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Speaker 1: a US court both say are plausibly committing a genocide.

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Speaker 4: Here's what he said, quote, well again it well, it's not.

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Speaker 1: We need a full investigation and find out just how

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Speaker 1: much a part of it was about that and how

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Speaker 1: much you know, the old question, how much they knew

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Speaker 1: and when they knew that the intercept. So you're saying

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Speaker 1: that for Israel as well, Fetterman, Yeah, okay, so good,

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Speaker 1: all right, well good, what that's the man that you're

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Speaker 1: going to for advice on Israel and appeal and I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it means.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it means, but there you go.

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Speaker 1: That's the man that they're seeking advice from him. And

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe apparently sager.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, Morgan, Joe.

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Speaker 2: We can't forget actually our own James Lee, who does

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Speaker 2: partner content for us.

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Speaker 3: He's done some fantastic segments.

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Speaker 2: He was on the ground in Nevada and he decided

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Speaker 2: to go and interview some people who decided that they

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Speaker 2: weren't going to vote for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: So let's hear from them. In their own words.

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Speaker 10: Do you think Joe Biden has done a good job

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Speaker 10: in the last three or four years?

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Speaker 7: Terrible in my opinion. I'm sorry, but he done a

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Speaker 7: terrible job. I have a daughter thats just retired from

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Speaker 7: the military.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Biden versus Trump. Do you

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Speaker 3: have any thoughts there?

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Speaker 10: Neither one? Neither one, because I know Nevada is a

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Speaker 10: swing state kind of It's definitely not a shoe in

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Speaker 10: like California. So even with those conditions, you would still say,

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Speaker 10: maybe if it comes down to it Trump versus Biden,

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Speaker 10: you would still sit it out.

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Speaker 3: I will have to sit out with Trump rusts Biden.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting in terms of not only

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Speaker 2: in terms of him saying it would sit it out,

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Speaker 2: but he wouldn't be said. I also know did what

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Speaker 2: he said there, chrys OWI said, my daughter just retired

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Speaker 2: from the military.

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Speaker 3: You know, these are people who are watching. We have

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Speaker 3: three American service members who were just killed, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those where if you have

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Speaker 2: a family member or any others who was in service,

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Speaker 2: especially if they're deployed to the Middle East, you're rightfully

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Speaker 2: asking very legit questions. They're also, you know, just to

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Speaker 2: highlight Biden's strategy here. This is something I've been thinking

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Speaker 2: about a lot, where how cursed we are as Americans

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Speaker 2: to have two successive presidents.

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Speaker 3: Obsessed with cable news.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny too, because Biden was somebody who would

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Speaker 2: make fun of Trump for his obsession with Fox News

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Speaker 2: and Fox and Friends and all that. But it turns

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Speaker 2: out he's just the liberal side of the coin. Let's

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Biden is quote

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Speaker 2: obsessed with Mourning Joe. They say that the White House

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Speaker 2: aids appear on MSNBC's Morning Joe. They're often booked between

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Speaker 2: seven and seven forty because they want to reach who

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Speaker 2: President Biden.

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Speaker 3: I remember when people would make fun of Trump aids

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Speaker 3: for doing this. They say.

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Speaker 2: Biden's year's long love an MSNBC's staple morning show affects

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Speaker 2: how the White House runs and who Biden listens to.

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Speaker 2: The President often calls Joe Scarborough, who is now a

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Speaker 2: harsh critic of Donald Trump, to get Scarborough's take on issues,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes vent about media coverage.

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Speaker 3: During the day.

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Speaker 2: He has often asked his staff whether they saw a story,

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Speaker 2: a poll, or a segment that has been on the show.

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Speaker 2: He includes show regulars in regular off the record conversations

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Speaker 2: with experts, and Biden pays particular attention to morning listeners

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Speaker 2: morningtime regulars such as Mike Barnacle, Foreign Balls, the expert

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Speaker 2: Richard Hawes, and historian John Meacham, who has assisted on

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Speaker 2: several Biden speeches.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is beyond parody.

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Speaker 2: It is literally the inverse to the Fox and Friends

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Speaker 2: madness that happened. And yet, you know, I mean, by

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Speaker 2: the way, courage Alex Thompson at acxious actually writing this

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Speaker 2: story because it does show you really who Biden is.

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Speaker 2: Biden has a died in the wole Normy MSNBC lib

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Speaker 2: and he's it's like to understand that is, to understand

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Speaker 2: so many of his proclivities, is understanding of American politics

752
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Speaker 2: and so much more. And it also just shows us

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Speaker 2: that the rotting husk of cable still has so much

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Speaker 2: power in this country because the right people watch it.

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Speaker 2: They're obsessed with what these dwindling idiots say on cable television.

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Speaker 3: It's just stunning to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, and if you were going to pick one show

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Speaker 1: on MSNBC, which would be like the worst show possible

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Speaker 1: to get advice from. Because there are different flavors of liberalism,

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Speaker 1: of you know, Democratic party obsession, liberalism within the MSNBC

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Speaker 1: banner Morning Joe is the one that's like decorum above all,

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Speaker 1: resistance to Trump above any other like particular policy decision.

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Speaker 4: It's the most.

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Speaker 1: Conventional wisdom of conventional wisdom, and so the fact that

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is relying for his reelection on the advice

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Speaker 1: primarily of Joe Scarborough and John Fetterman, it actually makes

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Speaker 1: all the sense in the world totally when you look

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Speaker 1: at the decision making and what is unfolding before us,

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Speaker 1: and how they are in a horrific position in terms

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Speaker 1: of actually winning re election. But you're so right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: even down to it has so many echoes of Trump,

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Speaker 1: even down to you know, the aids trying to get

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Speaker 1: booked in the right time slot to get a message

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Speaker 1: to Biden that he apparently won't receive face to face.

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Speaker 1: He'll only pay attention to it when it's being broadcast

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Speaker 1: on Mourning Joe. I mean, that's identical with Trump. Trump,

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Speaker 1: how his aids and his advisors and people wanted to

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Speaker 1: influence him, they would do the exact same thing. They

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Speaker 1: would try to communicate with him via Fox News and

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Speaker 1: Fox and Friends versus in person, because he would take

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Speaker 1: that more seriously. It is a sad, pathetic, degraded, decaying

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Speaker 1: political system that we have here that they are paying

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Speaker 1: attention at all to what any of these blathering idiots

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Speaker 1: have to say.

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Speaker 2: I just don't get it, and especially because you know,

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Speaker 2: can you read the news, like, can you look at numbers?

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Speaker 3: I just read a New Times article three days ago.

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Speaker 3: I just pulled it up here.

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Speaker 2: Quote more people are watching the Hallmark Channel than CNN.

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Speaker 2: The world needs love, and Hallmark is cashing in. Hallmark,

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Speaker 2: by the way, is having a resurgence because they're find

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Speaker 2: themselves in the top ten of overall cable news channels.

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Speaker 3: That's the type of stuff that people are watching on

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Speaker 3: caple Like you're losing to the Hallmark channel.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about CNN, and yet the amount of power

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Speaker 2: they still, you know, remain and they have in this country,

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Speaker 2: it's just stunning. Look, we can talk about it all

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Speaker 2: day long, we can hope for a future, but when

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Speaker 2: you've got a bunch of boomers, and I mean Biden's

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Speaker 2: not even a boomer, He's like silent generation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who have grown up with this and the power

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Speaker 3: that they have.

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Speaker 2: I like to think that even if I grew up

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Speaker 2: in the podcast era or whatever, let's say, and I

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Speaker 2: was running for office, let's say, TikTok, which I'm not on,

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Speaker 2: you know, is as popular, even more popular in the future.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you pay attention to TikTok, I'd be like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: what are people watching. I'm old, you know, this is

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Speaker 2: the medium I prefer. But these guys are so locked

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Speaker 2: in to their medium. I just look, it's a different

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Speaker 2: reac that they're living in. And that's very key to understand,

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Speaker 2: very very key.

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Speaker 1: It is truly a different reality and a complete bubble

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Speaker 1: that they have sealed themselves into.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Let's move to the next part here about the Trump prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: Fannie Willis. We've brought you guys some of the updates,

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Speaker 2: but this one in particular, it's pretty big.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So Fannie Willis, who is the prosecutor in the state

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Speaker 2: of Georgia who has brought that case against Trump, which

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Speaker 2: honestly was one of the strongest cases against Trump. Because

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Speaker 2: election law is totally governed by the individual states where

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Speaker 2: they prosecute they're prosecuting him for interfering in the election. Well,

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Speaker 2: it turns out that the special prosecutor who she hired,

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Speaker 2: Nathan Wade in November of twenty twenty one. She has

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Speaker 2: now admitted, after divorce filings in his personal case have

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Speaker 2: come to light that she did have a quote personal

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Speaker 2: relationship with that prosecutor that she hired in the Trump

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Speaker 2: Georgia case. Now, the critical part of this crystal is

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Speaker 2: not the affair and personal relationship that she had with

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Speaker 2: mister Wade. It's the fact that the State of Georgia

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Speaker 2: has paid him nearly six hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: for his work as is prosecutor in this case. Previously,

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Speaker 2: eyebrows had been raised because mister Wade did not have

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Speaker 2: significant experience. There are a lot of questions in the state, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: why is she picking this guy? And secondary to that

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Speaker 2: is that and Ryan and I spoke about this. Georgia

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Speaker 2: law is actually pretty clear whenever it comes to corruption

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Speaker 2: and in kind donations. So if you were funneling money

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Speaker 2: to your lover in this particular case, and you guys

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Speaker 2: are staying in hotel rooms that he pays for and

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Speaker 2: you're not reimbursing for that. You don't make that immediately

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Speaker 2: known to the state, you are in technical violation here.

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Speaker 2: This is frankly grounds to fall apart for the entire case.

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Speaker 2: I mean Trump, who all of this was surfaced by,

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00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: it seems some opposition researchers and others, And it just

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Speaker 2: brings the question of like, who do these people think

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Speaker 2: they are? You and I were talking about the yesterday,

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Speaker 2: if you believe the democracy at stake, and Trump interfered, like,

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Speaker 2: maybe hire a different guy, you know, maybe you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe hire the most experienced person if you are having

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Speaker 2: an affair with this guy, and.

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Speaker 3: Be like, hey, Nathan, let's call it off.

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Speaker 2: You know, while this is all going down, Because even

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Speaker 2: the appearance of this is if it ever got out,

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Speaker 2: it would look really bad. And lo and behold, it

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Speaker 2: looks really bad. It could even be grounds for a challenge.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it very easily could. And then in the

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Speaker 2: court of public opinion, this is all Trump needs. He'd

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Speaker 2: be like, you are just you know, you're accusing me

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Speaker 2: a corruption. You're coming after me, but breaking the law.

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Speaker 2: Look at you, and this is all anybody needs.

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Speaker 3: To discredit the entire case.

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Speaker 2: It's like these people I really believe that they have

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Speaker 2: such arrogance and they think they're think they're defending the

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Speaker 2: law by being above the law, that they think they're

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Speaker 2: like imperial princes who just shouldn't be subject to the

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Speaker 2: same problems as the rest of us, And in that way,

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Speaker 2: they're just as bad as Trump. They're just as bad

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Speaker 2: in the mindset that they occupy to conduct themselves in

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Speaker 2: this manner as supposed public servants.

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Speaker 1: It is genuinely hard for me to wrap my head

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Speaker 1: around because, like you said, I mean, yeah, sure, the

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Speaker 1: people who are coming after you for this are bad

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Speaker 1: faith and they will be looking for anything to tear

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Speaker 1: this case apart and tear you apart, etc.

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Speaker 4: You should absolutely know that going.

879
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: In like be as squeaky clean as you possibly can,

880
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: and yeah, they're still going to come after you and

881
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: try to tear your character apart, but don't hand them

882
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: the hammer that they can use to destroy you. I

883
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: just I really can't fathom the level of arrogance that

884
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: it takes to think that this is all going to

885
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: just be fine and no one's gonna notice and no

886
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: one's gonna say anything.

887
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 4: When you know, I mean, the stakes are genuinely really

888
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: really high.

889
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: This is one of the more serious cases against Trump,

890
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: as we've discussed before, because of the fact that it's

891
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: state law, because of the fact you have this powerful

892
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: rico law in Georgia, because of the fact that you

893
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: have you know, this wide ranging all these defendants that

894
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: you know, would be very difficult for Trump to sort

895
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: of wiggle's way out of it.

896
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: You've got their rolling up, some of these defendants are

897
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: flipping on Drumman. There's a lot here to this case.

898
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: And even if and I think it's likely that it

899
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: doesn't actually entirely kill the case, and like the whole

900
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: thing doesn't fall apart because of her you know, corruption

901
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: and affair in the whole situation, I think it's likely

902
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: that the case continues a pace.

903
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: As it has been.

904
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: But Trump's whole strategy here has been much more about

905
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: the political than about the legal. In the legal he's

906
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: been actually getting kind of crushed in terms of his

907
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: civil suits haven't been going well for him.

908
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 4: We're about to talk about some reporting where.

909
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: He basically sort of assumes that he is going to

910
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: be convicted on at least some of these charges. So

911
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: he is whole strategy for being able to overcome both

912
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: the legal challenges and get himself back into the White House.

913
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: Is all political and you have just handed him the

914
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: greatest gift of all time, Like, what are you doing?

915
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 5: It is?

916
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 4: It is insane to me that she thought.

917
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: This would all be fine, that she could just bring

918
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: in her boyfriend, and again I don't care about the affair,

919
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: but bring in your boy paying seven hundred thousand dollars,

920
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: go on vacations with him, and think that this was

921
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: all just going to pass without a word and no

922
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: one was gonna notice, especially when you have the scored

923
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: ex wife out there desperate to Because that's how it

924
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: came out, is she included her listed of Fanny.

925
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: Willis's name in a dwars filing.

926
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: That's how the rumors started swirling and how she ended

927
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: up being forced to come clean with this quote unquote

928
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: personal relationship.

929
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that yeah, what is it? The whole hell?

930
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: Hath no fury like a woman's scorn.

931
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just absolutely insane, the whole way that

932
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: she would conduct herself this way. Let's put the next

933
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: one please up here, because it really highlights what you're

934
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: talking about, Crystal, about Trump's conviction scenario. We actually have

935
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: a pull quote that we can put the next one please,

936
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: that shows us that Trump thinks he could still win

937
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: in November, partly by making daily theatrical appearances whenever the

938
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: courts are hearing his four cases totaling ninety one felony charges.

939
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: His advisors worry independence will be turned off by a

940
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: conviction in huretrial.

941
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: I genuinely do not know how to feel about this.

942
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: I think that when criminal charges enter the realm, entirely

943
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: of public opinion. I'm generally of the opinion that it's

944
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: a wash in that people will be like, well, you know,

945
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: it seems like the case is political as long as

946
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: you can discredit it, if it doesn't seem on its

947
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: space the way that you would think of a normal

948
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: criminal trial like corruption or murder or something like that,

949
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: where it's it's just obvious that you know you committed

950
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: a crime or not. If you're able to prosecute the

951
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: case in the court of public opinion, it could be

952
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: a wash. At the same time, his advisors are not wrong.

953
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: I've seen reams of enough polling to say that there

954
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: are a lot of independent voters out there who say

955
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: that if Trump is convicted, they will not vote for

956
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: him in twenty twenty four.

957
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: Yea, they could say it now, things could change. I

958
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: don't know.

959
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: It's one of those where I'm genuinely of two minds.

960
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: Some people still have a lot of faith in this

961
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: legal system. And let's be honest, a lot of people

962
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: don't pay attention, you know, to the ins and outs.

963
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, Trump was convicted, that's crazy, that's it.

964
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna go on there when's so and so's t

965
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: ball practice, like that's how most people live their lives.

966
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 2: But if you're enough, if you're engaged, if you're paying attention,

967
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: if you do get the enough of a sense of

968
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: politicization in the courts and especially with all of these

969
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: and it seems like some grand thing as opposed to

970
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: looking at the cases in an individual basis, I could

971
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: see it being more of a washed in him being

972
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: able to win and turn into a showman aspect.

973
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of humility about predicting how

974
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: this is all gonna shake out, because I think if

975
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: it was literally any other politician, Republican or Democrat, if

976
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: they were convicted of any you know, significant criminal charge,

977
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: it would basically be.

978
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 4: It for them.

979
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Bob Menendez, like he's done in

980
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: New Jersey and he hasn't even convicted yet, just the

981
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: allegations enough in the New Jersey primary, now he's at

982
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: like seven percent or something like that. It's destroyed him.

983
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: It's destroyed his career instantaneously. Trump is different though. He

984
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: gets away with things that no other politicians can get

985
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: away with. I mean, the Access Hollywood tape would have

986
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: destroyed any other politician. And yet he turns it around

987
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: and brings in Bill Clinton's accuser and makes a show

988
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: of it, and you know, keeps everybody in line and

989
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: in some ways strengthens their support, strengthens his base support,

990
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: makes them more enthusiastic, and wins. So you know, yeah,

991
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: the polls pretty consistently show that if he is actually convicted, it's.

992
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 4: Going to be a big problem for him.

993
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: But people are also notoriously bad at predicting how they're

994
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: going to respond to theoretical scenarios. One thing that might

995
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: help Trump is the fact that this up on the screen.

996
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: In terms of the timing of the cases, the first

997
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: one that is likely to come to some sort of

998
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: conclusion is what legal analysts to the Washington Post called

999
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: the runt of the Trump cases.

1000
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 4: It's now likely to be his first criminal trial.

1001
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: This is the Alvin Bragg hush money Stormy Daniels twenty

1002
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: sixteen election interference situation that you know, basically they kind

1003
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: of had to stretch the law and do some legal

1004
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: maneuvering to really make this, you know, a serious criminal

1005
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: charge in order to take this to trial. And so

1006
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: you know the fact that it's kind of the weakest,

1007
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: not even kind of like very clearly the weakest case

1008
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: is and the one that people are the least focused on.

1009
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: You know what, most people who hate Donald Trump, like

1010
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: the thing that they hate is January sixth, and even

1011
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: the documents thing is about his just total impunity and

1012
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: flouting the rules and doing whatever the hell he wants

1013
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: whenever the hell he wants it. It goes more to

1014
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: the core of what people really hate about Donald Trump.

1015
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: This one is kind of a side issue hasn't got

1016
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. So perhaps the fact that this

1017
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: could be the first thing to come down, and I

1018
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: think it's fairly decent shot that he does get he

1019
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: convicted on these charges because it is New York and

1020
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, I think they've got probably enough to keep

1021
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: this taste together. Although I don't really know, but I

1022
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: do think the fact that this one goes first, maybe

1023
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: that's also another advantage for him, where he's able to

1024
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: spend it as just political. He's able to make that case,

1025
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: and then he's able to just sort of transfer that

1026
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: to the other more serious charges. The flip side of

1027
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: that is, I argued at the time, is like you

1028
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: were saying, Sager, people aren't really paying that much attention

1029
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: to the ins and outs. If you think Donald Trump

1030
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: is a criminal, you think he's a criminal. You don't

1031
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: care if it's like al Capone getting caught on tax evasion.

1032
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: You think he deserves to be hit with charges and

1033
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: be convicted in front of a jury of his peers.

1034
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: And so you know, whether the details are as core

1035
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: to your concerns about him or not, you probably just

1036
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: feel like, Yeah, the guy's a criminal, he got caught.

1037
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: He's finally facing someone accountability, and that's a good thing.

1038
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1039
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: I look, I could see it the both way.

1040
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm inclined on the New York case, just to say that,

1041
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: because they literally had to stretch the Listen, we covered

1042
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: a lot at the time.

1043
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: People want to go and to look.

1044
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: I think we had Brad moss on to talk about that,

1045
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: about the you know, the statute and the way it

1046
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: had all been stretched. I think we both agreed that

1047
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: this was clearly the weakest criminal case against Trump and

1048
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: that it is clearly the most like capital p political

1049
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: and so yeah, for him, I actually think it's a

1050
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: huge victory to have this one go first, because, like

1051
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: you said, he can easily cast him.

1052
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: Now listen, we could see it the other way too.

1053
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: He's a convicted criminal and at the very least one

1054
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: thing we have to do sometimes is take this outside

1055
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: the realm of the political and be like, this is

1056
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: a problem, Like being in.

1057
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: Jail is a problem.

1058
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: What if you're on probation, Like don't they have sometimes

1059
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: they have laws that they're like you can't leave the

1060
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: state without admission or whatever.

1061
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like there could be real issues.

1062
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing,

1063
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: because he could campaign on that. He could probably raise

1064
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: a lot of money in that and draw attention. But

1065
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: I do think there is a Norman instinct, you know,

1066
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: left in the country for a lot of people who

1067
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: are like, I don't know, somebody's been convicted that just

1068
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: seems bad.

1069
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: Like you said, that would be a very much a

1070
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: return to the pre Trump era.

1071
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: And one thing that has become very clear to me

1072
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: from the actual votes cast in twenty twenty two and

1073
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: special elections throughout twenty twenty three is that there is

1074
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: still quite a bit of instinct on stop the Steal

1075
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: in particular, and on Trump like odiousness, people are very

1076
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: much willing to vote against now that he is out

1077
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: of office.

1078
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 3: So I will not discount that asupport.

1079
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, force them honestly could have imagined, and I think

1080
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: it continues to be and I think that continues to

1081
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: show in the election results.

1082
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 4: So I don't know, it's crazy.

1083
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: I have no idea how all of this is going

1084
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: to I could, like you said, Zager, depending on the day.

1085
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, ah, there's no way Biden wins, and

1086
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: other times I'm like yeah, but you know, you got

1087
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: these trials, like people are just.

1088
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: Kind of ignoring that this is all going to come down.

1089
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: By the way, on the other trials, few of them

1090
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: have had some delays. You know, it was looking like

1091
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: the document's case may continue quickly and may even come

1092
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: to some sort of conclusion before the GP nomination wrapped

1093
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: up that no longer looks like the case. So those

1094
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: jack Smith cases are getting pushed a little bit like

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Speaker 1: further and further into the future, which makes it even

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Speaker 1: more politically perilous the closer you get to election day. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of frustrating not knowing what the

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Speaker 1: timing of all of these are going to be because

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Speaker 1: so much of the analysis hinges on well when is

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Speaker 1: this all going to actually come down? But with our

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Speaker 1: legal system, there's just you know, it's just guesswork.

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Speaker 4: You really don't know.

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Speaker 1: How long these appeals process are going to take and

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Speaker 1: what the individual judge is going to decide, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens is Trump is all we can say.

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Speaker 6: H