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Speaker 1: Happy First Day of Black History. But yeah, we're recording

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Speaker 1: this on the first day of Black History Month. Um,

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Speaker 1: how are you? How do you celebrate the month of

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Speaker 1: Black History? You know? I try to, um, stay a

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like you gotta be black,

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Speaker 1: you know, for the other eleven months, and it's like

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Might what I always find such to be

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Speaker 1: Just cover the whole thing, the whole entire Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and even I think some of this ship was today,

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Speaker 1: Slash you mac, I can tell you this yet. So okay.

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Speaker 1: made three videos about me and like, god, yes, she

425
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: made three videos about me. And she was like, look,

426
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: I tricked my family that's thirty and this says uh

427
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: says they were mixed. His name was Charlie. And I'm like,

428
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: so you did the work. It's like you you want

429
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: me to find Like I don't know what she thought out.

430
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: I was like, a magical negro can just connect to

431
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: all black people, but I couldn't. So I'm like this,

432
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: I can't do that to bring the great great granddad

433
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: back out. Plus your thing you're thinking's like specifically for

434
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: descendence of slaves too. It's like, I don't understand how

435
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: you had to jump into that, UM people, Hey, I'm Irish.

436
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: That's why you're getting I'm irish. We were, we were

437
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: slaves you and that your service. Plus you know that

438
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: you're Irish, I'm black, Like exactly, that's the difference. I'm

439
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: trying to let people know, Like I'm like, you've never

440
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: been the butt of a slave joke. You've never been

441
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: You've never been in that situation to understand, like, Okay,

442
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: I really can't. I don't know what my family did.

443
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what people were like, I don't know

444
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: what part of Africa they were from. That kind of

445
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: that kind of level of detail, it's probably lost to

446
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: would you say that's like lost to history? Yeah, almost altogether. Yeah, yeah,

447
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: yeah definitely. But one thing I'll say that UM with

448
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: the um Americans and it's a slave of enslaved people,

449
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: is that we created this culture that's from the south

450
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: to to the east coast, west coast, we have a

451
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: culture that being black that we still made here like

452
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: and and and with that culture, you can see it

453
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 1: throughout history, like from occupations to places they lived to

454
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: the things they did to what they sold to the

455
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: land that was big. Like when when I when I

456
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: come across agricultural records and I see land that they

457
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: all might see exactly what they grew and how they

458
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: they ran stuff. It was it's it's it's it's our

459
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: own history. Like I can't go back as far as

460
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: like you know, I know you're from Nigeria and I

461
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: could find this, but I could show you the not

462
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: so bad parts of history that is still black culture.

463
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Um what do you find people take away

464
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: from for the folks that you for whom you've already completed,

465
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: like their genealogy, Like what do they take from it?

466
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: Like what what? What? Um does that lend to their

467
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: to their lives, like knowing what their roots are. I've

468
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: had people everybody cries. I don't know about, but everybody cries.

469
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: That's that's one big thing. And like I'm like, that's

470
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: the feeling that that's hard to explain. Um. But everybody

471
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: I got told I changed people lives. Um I had one. Yeah,

472
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: I got told like I've changed people lives by doing this.

473
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: Um Um who told me? Somebody wants to help out

474
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: the project out there, Like I helped them out. They

475
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: wanted to actually join on now to help people because

476
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: again they see how that feels and how how the experiences. Um.

477
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: Some people said I plugged and missing pieces of their life. Um. Sakitha,

478
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: who's on on TikTok, the bigger creator. We've stumped across

479
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: her dad by accident. I had my history. She never

480
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: knew her father. As soon as we saw the picture

481
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: of his high school photo, I'm like, Wow, that's her face.

482
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: That's her exact faces. It's like the email. And I said,

483
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: I gotta picture your dad. I don't know if you

484
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: want to see it, but she said sure and sure

485
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: enough and so like that. She said that she felt

486
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: like like an alien and her family she didn't look

487
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: like anybody, but now she felt like she belongs. So

488
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: it's like that's kind of fellers. So this might be

489
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: kind of a technical question, but what is it about

490
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: TikTok that makes it the right platform to do this?

491
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: Oh man? A lot of eyes, A lot of eyes.

492
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: Things can go like that and heart people in a

493
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. Like I was talking about the brist

494
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: Of English project since the seven Team, I think right,

495
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: I kind of announced it to people launched it a

496
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 1: week later. Um, and I wasn't really getting I had

497
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: seven people I respond to a racist white person on

498
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: there with with me talking about it, and then boomed

499
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: twelve hundred people like that, just TikTok is a great

500
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: is a great flat one right now? Still believe number

501
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: one at the moment if you want to grab somebody's attention. Yeah, Um,

502
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean I was asking just because I mean, you'd

503
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: be shocked at how many people in my age even

504
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: now are still under the impression when I talked to

505
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: them about TikTok having interesting things are like, oh man,

506
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: it's all dances of you know what I mean, Like

507
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: we're still we're still at this page is getting people

508
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: over that stigma of TikTok, right that is just people

509
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: just kids up there dancing. I'm like, nah, but I'm

510
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: telling you that's like it's different size and TikTok that

511
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: like it's literally of a corner of TikTok for like

512
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: any interest that you have, really any interest you you mentioned,

513
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: like people often have really strong emotional reactions to hearing

514
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: about their genealogy and sometimes they cry, and um, this

515
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: actually made me think of I'm not sure I'm well, actually,

516
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: I feel like you of all people will probably know

517
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: about this. But when they did George Floyd's genealogy, um,

518
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: and finding like all the way is that the system

519
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: in various, in various you know ways screwed over his

520
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: family over and over again to sort of create a picture.

521
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: You know, people people on the right, you know, white

522
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: supremacists want said, oh he was a drug addict. Ooh

523
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: he you know, beat his wife or whatever. But if

524
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: you go back in his genealogy, I believe it was

525
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: his great great grandfather, Um, when he got his freedom,

526
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: he accumulated five hundred acres of land that then we're

527
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: just stolen, straight up stolen by white settlers. And then

528
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: later on I think if his grandmother she was like

529
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: very you know, she was very accomplished academic in high school,

530
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: wanted to become a lawyer. They wouldn't let her go

531
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: to law school. Um, she she taught herself how to

532
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: read and write and stuff and ended up being like

533
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: a really you know, really good at school. Couldn't go

534
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: to law school because they just said, we don't accept y'all.

535
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: And so thing after thing after a thing, which kind

536
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: of like helps us understand and give context to how

537
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: somebody like George Floyd ended up in the situation he

538
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: ended up in, Like, yeah, he might have been on drugs,

539
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: might have had you know, priors, etcetera, but like it

540
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: contextualized in a way, like you understand how someone could

541
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: become that way. So do you ever find people who

542
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: get emotional about their results in having to face the

543
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: kinds of struggles that are people have always gone through.

544
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I have. I don't think I've ran

545
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: into that just ship where people like are really upset

546
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: or get kind of emotional to be like that, that's

547
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: what I kind of faced. Well when I take that back, Um,

548
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: it's normally folks who I can find slave sensors for

549
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: if I can find a slave census and and I

550
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: can show you that. Um, I showed somebody I was like,

551
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: I didn't looking for their fifty I was looking for

552
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: a fifty five year old black woman because they didn't

553
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: have names on there. So looking for a fifty five

554
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: year old black woman. And I find the census with

555
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: the same location area, and it's kind of like the

556
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: same reaction I had that they had, where it's like

557
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: you got just kind of quiet, you just got things

558
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: to yourself, Like it makes sense, very tangible. Yeah, and

559
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: it's just like that's what they did. But I think

560
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people who are

561
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: taking part of this are are are proud, are come

562
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: with pride to that, Hey, they the ancestors went through this,

563
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: to go through that and now they're here. True, like

564
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: histories of struggle also histories of triumph in a sense,

565
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: like even if all that our people have had to

566
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: live through can kind of just be really heavy on

567
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: the heart to like just think about that sorrow and

568
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: that pain, but also we survived, you know, they survived

569
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: enough to have their own kids and then have their

570
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: own kids and here we are today. So in another way, yeah,

571
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: I totally make sense if that could be inspiring, even

572
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: if like if you know the story you told about

573
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: what was that your great great grandmother or you know,

574
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: getting in the natat that that's happy. That's happy man,

575
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, but also like being able to actually know

576
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: you're yeah, like just have I guess I can imagine

577
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: like really understanding your history after sort of being told

578
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: all when we're growing up that it's lost to history,

579
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: even though it's not, it's not really you can find

580
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: it if you look for it. Um can I can

581
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: be really empowering. So speaking of history, UM, a bunch

582
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: of talk us a little bit about yourself, Like who

583
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: who are you? Yeah, so you're activist, You're a poet,

584
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: you're a rapper, so like yeah, so you not now

585
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: it's a theologist and so how did you get Yeah,

586
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: so talk to talk to us a little bit about

587
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: your arts background. Um, I've been writing forever. Um I

588
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: love used the story right. Um. I think when I

589
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: was in the third grade, I started writing poetry. Um.

590
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: I used to I'm a nineties baby is to watch

591
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: Deff Paultry jam with the most Deff and stuff. So

592
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: I got in the spoken word. My family is big

593
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: in the music, and so I was like, I can.

594
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: I can write some songs and every whatever. By the

595
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: time I turned eighteen, I was going to college. Uh. Nineteen,

596
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: I booked my first like big show here in my

597
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: city at a club. I was under aged four, but

598
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: they still let me perform. Um. Uh that led to

599
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: just just a lot more opportunities. I end up performing

600
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: at Castel Breech is one of the biggest wineries here

601
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 1: in New York. Um I ghost I was ghost right

602
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: in for for a little while, wrote for Dorito's MTV, Nickelodeon,

603
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: over fifty other company and then two thousand nineteen, like

604
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: I've always been a poet, but I always kept my

605
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: poetry to myself because my music, I'm like, this is

606
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: my I can go out here. I got the music

607
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: going poetry. Everybody's eyes on you. It's quiet. That's so funny. Yeah,

608
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: because I had the opposite experience. I was like a

609
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: poet in high school. I did slam poetry and like

610
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: college but and I wrote rhymes, but I didn't tell

611
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: nobody because like that was a whole It was like

612
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: a kind of taboo in a way. I'm like, oh,

613
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: tip out like your gang bang, like what um? And

614
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: then later like stepping out, like man, I'm not gonna

615
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: just sit here and not like I got sick bars.

616
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing sitting on all this.

617
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: But from person to person, I was telling everybody in

618
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: the world that I want was like yo, yeah. I

619
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: was like I was walking around with my notebook and

620
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: You're like, yo, look at how many words my vocabulary? Yeah. Yeah,

621
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: I was priedful about my rap, like I knew I

622
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: can I can piece together a story. So who are

623
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: some of you? Who are some of your influences? Um

624
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: writing scheme to people here, how how I write sometimes

625
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: um Rock him just his gotta be the way I

626
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: think I break I break things down to a science almost,

627
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: and I was just like, wow, I like how he

628
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: rhyme in the middle of beginning the end and how

629
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: he flipped that. And then just for writing prefaces of

630
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: Royster five nine was big with my writing. UM Wayne

631
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: when I when it came to similes, He's crazy with it.

632
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: To this day, I'm just like man. Yeah. And then

633
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: um nas nas And then when I got older, jay Z,

634
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: I like jay Z when I was younger. I got older,

635
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: I could appreciate it. I could appreciate the bars. Anything

636
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: it's about that makes sense, that makes sense. Yeah. So

637
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: those did probably my biggest, biggest and people put it,

638
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: don't chew me up for this. It's gonna be Kanye.

639
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: We've talked about him on the show. Physically good yeah,

640
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: like back like, because I like bro, I have fifteen

641
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: surgeries coming up. And so when I heard through the

642
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: Wire for the first time as a kid, that resonated

643
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, is he correct? Correct. Yeah, and

644
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: then so I'm like, Kanye gave me that big thing

645
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: and I saw my death poetry Jim, I'm like, oh,

646
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: you're writing poetry too. I can write poetry as well.

647
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: You know. So that was kind of like, yeah, I'm

648
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: here because of Yeah, yeah, is there Do you think

649
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: at all there's a relationship between like the hip hop

650
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: aspect of your identity and some of the work that

651
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: you're doing with the Breast Ranglich project. Yeah, I believe. So,

652
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: I believe. So I think, um, the creativity, it's getting

653
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: his message across so people. So it's so it's digestible

654
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: for people. I can get up here and talk about

655
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: all the boring facts and everything like that, but if

656
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I make it exciting, Um, I talk in poems sometimes

657
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: in my my my videos, that gives people attention. If

658
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: I get it, Oh, I want they want to hear

659
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say next. And so I just just

660
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: how my my hip hop's owner. I can. I can

661
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: come up here with all the confidence in the world

662
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm the best at what I

663
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: do right now. You can't tell me otherwise, and I'm

664
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: gonna say what I gotta say. So you think it's

665
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: like it helps out like with the because I'm I'm

666
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm an advocate of like using hip hop as like

667
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: a form of communication to like it makes people learn

668
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: things to retain information better. Just you know, as far

669
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: as I so, do you think like that aspect of

670
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: hip hop you know helps all of us mcs be communicators?

671
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: You think that's like the biggest way it helps out.

672
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, definitely, because we gotta get our message across.

673
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: That's the big that's the big thing. We have to

674
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: get our message across in a short amount of time.

675
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: That the same thing I learned like slam poultry, Like

676
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: you've got three minutes, go talk to your talk and

677
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: you've got to make this connection with somebody. And so

678
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: I think we when people here like rappers talking certain

679
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: situations and stuff for people who are like they got

680
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: this preconceived no ship of like like with dump or

681
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: something like that. But I'm like, can you can you

682
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: write a three minutes song that makes sense and this

683
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: like that so I can talk and talk to people

684
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: like it's nothing. That's why a lot of us be

685
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: able to do that. It's like, oh they so cares, Mattic.

686
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: We we gotta be. So maybe it's answered because of

687
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: like how important the Prester English Project is to you.

688
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: But is there a particular like political issue or social

689
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: issue that you would say, just on a personal level,

690
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: is like at the top of your priority in terms

691
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: of things that you're usually thinking about or talking about, um,

692
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: the top of my list. Reason I joined the Double

693
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: A CP to get closer to UH to help black women. UM.

694
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: They died at four times high rate norm maternity UM

695
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: and even higher in my city. So we got Rochester

696
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: General out here UH to change to get more Black

697
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: midwives and to get more black nurses and for all

698
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: black doctors black ob g y n's to help black women,

699
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: you should be dying at four times high ranking in

700
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: the other race down here in Georgia, black women have

701
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: a higher maternal mortality right than Iraq. And there are

702
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: a lot of other like developing que quote developing countries.

703
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, maternal Black maternal mortality is a huge issue.

704
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: Some harm to hear you're working working on that. What

705
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: are some of the reasons that they give for it?

706
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: They don't or do they not even bother? It's nor

707
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: even bother. But when you look at history, you look

708
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: at Um the father gonna college. Look at Jay Marry

709
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: and Sims, right, Jay Marry and Sims got the enslave

710
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: woman's name. But he's to operate on enslaved people, um

711
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: normally women. Um he was. He was the one used

712
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: to take the trigger warnerful folcus to take this tool

713
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: to open up shoes and they cracked baby skulls. That

714
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: guy black baby skulls because the Negro brain. Yea yeah,

715
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: so like, um, what he used to do wasn't when

716
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: he operate on the black women awake. That's why we

717
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: have to bias now in the medical field that black

718
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: people don't feel pain like a racist and used to

719
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: operate them on on them awake, dirty table tensils whatever.

720
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: And if they survived it, they want be developed a

721
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: kidney infection or urinary track something because filthy, he told him,

722
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: just because as they fall, they didn't take care of themselves.

723
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: So it's black women not taking care of themselves that's

724
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: the issue, and not not these doctors mishandling people. No,

725
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: so so they try to they do the culture and

726
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: genetics thing for like that too. Yes, they did a

727
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: study with nurses. UM nurses going to school, Um a

728
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: few years back, and they did a poll on do

729
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: black people feel less pain or more and they thought

730
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: that black a lot of them thought that black black

731
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: people felt less pain among current current um medical students,

732
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: right yep, current Yeah, with that, like it's close to

733
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: me because that they hit home, like I woke up

734
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of surgery, my love and surgery. Uh,

735
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: I woke up in the middle of my love and surgery.

736
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: And the nurse looked at the doctor clears day, I'm

737
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: up clear to day. I'm trying to catch breath. Nurse

738
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: look at the doctor, said you can finish while he awake.

739
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: Bro what she looked at the doctor say, you could

740
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: finish while he's awake. Oh my god, that's insane, and

741
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: then went on the on the subject of maternal mortality.

742
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: I think I mean, and this is just understanding a

743
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: lot of issues through like sort of an intersectional lens.

744
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: If you look at the disproportionate numbers of black women

745
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: living in poverty, that might then call somebody they're not

746
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: really they're not making their prenatal you know, gynecology appointments

747
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: to check up on how things are going, so they

748
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: might not know they have gestational diabetes. They might not

749
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: know they have hypertension or something like that. And then

750
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: and additionally, UM, you know, if you're in working poverty,

751
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: if you're working forty fifty hours a week while you're pregnant, um,

752
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, up until you up until you deliver pretty

753
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: much UM. And then you know you've got to be

754
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: back at work a week later because otherwise you get

755
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: fired or you get fired anyway, the kinds of pressured

756
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: folks are under because we just you know, disproportionate race

757
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: of poverty UM. And you know, environmental racism, environment you know,

758
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: toxic stress from racism, etcetera that I imagine play into

759
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: that as much as you know, medical racism UM and

760
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: things like that. It's wild. But I'm really glad to

761
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: look at your you know, it's I think it's an

762
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: under understudied, under advocated for area. And so especially as

763
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: someone that isn't directly impacted, though you have experienced political

764
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: racism yourself, it's great that you know you're using your

765
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: voice to help elevate an issue of that you know

766
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: doesn't directly impact you, but it's incredibly important. So where

767
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: can people find you when they if they want to

768
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: check out? And what can they do if they want

769
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: to help you with everything that you're doing. So if you, um,

770
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: if you want to reach me out, reach out to

771
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: my social media. I'm a former love poet everywhere uh Instagram, Twitter,

772
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: tink top Facebook. Um, if you want to help out

773
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: with the Briston English Project, monetary donations help a ton.

774
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: I make monthly payments on stuff, and I, like I said,

775
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: I provide everything for everybody who's helping. Monetary donations. Um,

776
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: if you go to brister ep dot me, brister ep

777
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: dot me, um, there is a there's to donate links

778
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: as well as all the information about the project. Word

779
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: all right, well, thank you so much for being here. Um,

780
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: one of these days, once your listens out a little bit,

781
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: once you make some dent in it, I might have

782
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: to put my name down there to find a little

783
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: bit for sure. Thank you for stopping talking to us. Hey,

784
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Yeah yeah, yeah, that was

785
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: former love poet dropping. It's so cool to see people

786
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: just like be passionate about something and just like offer

787
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: that their passion to the world. Like, oh, I found

788
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: out a lot about like my own history. So now

789
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna offer everyone the opportunity. I want about the

790
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: history to do it on their own. Yeah, and who know,

791
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean the whole time that

792
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: we were talking to him, I just have this feeling

793
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: in the back of my head that's just gonna blow

794
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: the hell up even more than it already is. I

795
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: think I think yeah, but I think I'm talking more

796
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I think he's I think he's gonna be

797
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: really busy in the I think he's gonna need to

798
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: expand the team. But yeah, thank you sitting his work.

799
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: I would not recommend getting all the waiting list right now,

800
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: because the man is busy as hell. But if you

801
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: do have geneological you know our tribal research skills, hit

802
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: them up, help out, help connect people with their history.

803
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: It's like a beautiful and if you can't contribute to

804
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: if you can't contribute in that form, hey, a couple

805
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: of dollars helps, you know, So throwing something help them

806
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: fund that thing and keep it going. But um, speaking

807
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: of keeping it going, we gotta end this ship and

808
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: get the wraps going. You feel like wrapping, Yes, you

809
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: gotta wrap. I am gonna wrap. God damn it. All right,

810
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: let's hit it. Joel dropping. I know I know I'm

811
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: gonna do rap music. Yo. Joel dropped that. Oh yeah,

812
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Life is coming too fast. We can't catch up,

813
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: and we keep it in too cool. You can't stress us.

814
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: If you want to, Nanny, go get you a frank

815
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: dress up. Beat you so bad feeling my ancests to

816
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: think about it often. It makes me crazy. You lost

817
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: track of a fan who's traced to slip avery. You

818
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: want to just know it, You're gonna just show it.

819
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: That's my Homeboys project. Form a love poet with the

820
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: Nazis marching all up in Orlando, Canda. So we're still

821
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: acting like she's Sambo, your favorite rapper, still talking about

822
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: a Lambo. I'm in a waiting line, trying to buy

823
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: me some Ammo dope knife, give me my reparations. Now

824
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: superhero ship when I rocket Cap and cow Killer Mike,

825
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: then I gotta go and take a bow which the

826
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: sacred cow make him way the towel through it with

827
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: a smile. I see, I's not give the rules happily.

828
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: Back at the family lunch, our folly would have grabbed me,

829
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: drag me off for lunch. Counter Back in Greensboro, prest

830
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: and Tea quotas getting filled but maintaining the status quo.

831
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: I know history isn't imparting when I checked it got

832
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: it's a mystery. I'm looking back at my family tree

833
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: for none. Listen, least I know who my mama's father

834
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Wasn't all the sisters, but to deep and down into

835
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: it my check got that, Preston, hmm, yeah, yeah, you

836
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Speaker 1: are listening Waiting on reparations on Dope Knife, Frank if

837
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: we will see y'all next week. Listen to Waiting on

838
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or

839
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts