Speaker 1: Welcome to this League Uncut in the world.
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Speaker 3: This's you, Lo, Chris Haynes.
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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, thanks for joining us on another edition of
Speaker 2: This League Uncut. We are taping this on Thursday night,
Speaker 2: only one game tonight. Everybody out there focused on the
Speaker 2: NFL Draft, Not Stein, not Haynes. We're here talking hoops,
Speaker 2: also decompressing after an absolutely crazy Wednesday. Chris, I know
Speaker 2: you were on the sidelines for Warriors Kings, which, as
Speaker 2: amazing as that was. We can barely get to because
Speaker 2: later in the show we're gonna be joined by Grizzlies
Speaker 2: legend Zach Randolph. He help us preview tonight's and I
Speaker 2: say tonight's because of course this will be dropping Friday,
Speaker 2: so z Bowl help us preview Game six of grizz Lakers.
Speaker 2: See if the Grizzlies can make good on Desmond Bain's
Speaker 2: prediction that this thing is going seven. Blakers better finish
Speaker 2: it off. I would not want to be going to
Speaker 2: Memphis for a Game seven if I'm them, But again,
Speaker 2: not much bandwidth in space to talk about Lakers, Gris
Speaker 2: or even Warriors Kings, or even the Knicks advancing and
Speaker 2: the Calves being eliminated. We will get to all that eventually,
Speaker 2: but we got we got to start with with the
Speaker 2: Bucks losing that game five. I'm still trying to digest it.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to write all day, putting this in
Speaker 2: perspective with the printed word, because yes, we've seen number
Speaker 2: eight beat number ones before, but not like this, not
Speaker 2: you know, obviously jannas Attakumpo not being able to Basically
Speaker 2: he only played eleven minutes in the first three games.
Speaker 2: That's certainly a factor, and probably a factor people aren't
Speaker 2: discussing enough. But to lose that game five at home,
Speaker 2: I mean, at the very least, after Jimmy Butler rumbles
Speaker 2: for fifty six, at the very least, you think Milwaukee's
Speaker 2: gonna win at home and take this thing back to Miami,
Speaker 2: and instead it was just I mean, it was just
Speaker 2: a flat out I mean, choke job is polite. I mean,
Speaker 2: they had a sixteen point lead going to the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: and just throughout the fourth quarter in overtime, they looked
Speaker 2: like a team that had never been there, and this
Speaker 2: is a team that won it all two years ago.
Speaker 2: I don't I mean, ch I don't know how you
Speaker 2: could have monitored it because your game was going on
Speaker 2: at the same time. I mean, that was the air.
Speaker 2: Thing was just crazy last night trying to keep track
Speaker 2: of both of these games. So I'm sure when you
Speaker 2: came away from Warriors Kings, which was plenty heated and
Speaker 2: tight and wild itself, you just must have been show
Speaker 2: saw what happened to the Bucks?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't keep up because, yeah, I
Speaker 4: was doing that game. But the last thing I saw,
Speaker 4: you know, Lakers Memphis. I saw the Lakers were close
Speaker 4: with Memphis. That's the last I saw. I saw the
Speaker 4: Bucks had a good lead on the Miami Heat. That
Speaker 4: was the last I saw. And I was monitoring a
Speaker 4: little bit of the Cleveland and New York series, which
Speaker 4: it just looked like from the start that the Knicks
Speaker 4: were going to take that.
Speaker 3: So I wasn't.
Speaker 4: Surprised with that, but I was surprised with the Lakers,
Speaker 4: and I was surprised with the more the Roucke Bucks
Speaker 4: folding like.
Speaker 3: That, and that is brutal. You know.
Speaker 4: I covered the Miami Heats that that play the play
Speaker 4: in that they had to beat the Chicago Bulls to
Speaker 4: get into the postseason, and so I was thinking, like, wow,
Speaker 4: that's that's surprise.
Speaker 3: You get in, and.
Speaker 4: You get in because no the Bulls, because no, excuse me,
Speaker 4: Miami Heat. They lost their first player, remember that, who
Speaker 4: do they play their first playing game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they lost to Atlanta. They had to come from
Speaker 2: behind to beat Chicago. From exactly, they did not look
Speaker 2: good in the playing round whatsoever. You looked very good
Speaker 2: in your all white suit, but the heat in the playing.
Speaker 4: Game I didn't see. I didn't see this at all.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, well, you did all that work
Speaker 4: to get into the playoffs. Good luck, got the Milwaukee
Speaker 4: Bucks first round number one seed, and then Jimmy just
Speaker 4: turns it up like that. Man, God, I don't know
Speaker 4: who could have imagine that. I surely didn't. And that
Speaker 4: is it definitely puts the Markeye Bucks in a bit
Speaker 4: of a conundrum this offseason as far as what do
Speaker 4: they do next?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, the first focus is going to
Speaker 2: be Mike Budenholzer. And there's so many things went wrong
Speaker 2: in Game five, and it's not just that I mean, again,
Speaker 2: this this team was championship or bust, and to own
Speaker 2: you win one game in the first round. Look, Mike
Speaker 2: Budenholzer was under huge pressure the year they won it all,
Speaker 2: and obviously winning the championship quieted that. But you know, now,
Speaker 2: you know, is this something, is this kind of exit
Speaker 2: something he can recover from? And when you talk to
Speaker 2: people around the league, you know there's a lot of
Speaker 2: skepticism that there's any way back for him at this point.
Speaker 2: Now he still has two years left on his deal,
Speaker 2: sixteen million. Those are substantial figures. But you know, Milwaukee
Speaker 2: doesn't have flexibility to change the roster. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: going to be you know, they've got Chris Middleton as
Speaker 2: a player option, Brook Lopez heading for free agency. With
Speaker 2: the new tax rules coming in, it's going to make
Speaker 2: team building very complicated. A coaching change might be the
Speaker 2: only really significant change that they can make. Everybody in
Speaker 2: the league's talking about this right now and wondering how
Speaker 2: drastic the changes are going to be. I mean, you
Speaker 2: obviously know Joannis quite well, and you had to, you know,
Speaker 2: pretty in depth interview him right at the end of
Speaker 2: the regular season. We all saw him in his postgame
Speaker 2: interview and you could already see how hard he's taking this.
Speaker 2: But I guess I really don't want to ask you
Speaker 2: to jump into his head, but I guess I am
Speaker 2: kind of asking to jump into his head. Like, what
Speaker 2: do you see for Milwaukee's immediate future?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously coach Blutenholzer is going to get a
Speaker 4: lot of scrutiny, and he has and you have to yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, I definitely think his role is going to
Speaker 4: be evaluated. The only question I have when it comes
Speaker 4: to that is who else is out there? Where's the upgrade?
Speaker 4: So you can make the case that Nick Nurse is
Speaker 4: out there, Kenny Atkinson, well, Goden State Warriors, Like, is
Speaker 4: there another name out there that brings championship cachet, that
Speaker 4: brings instant credibility and someone who you can clearly say, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's an upgrade over Blotenholzer. Is that candidate out there?
Speaker 4: Then you look at does tylu become available? I don't
Speaker 4: think so. I know we'll touch on the Clippers a
Speaker 4: little bit later, but I just don't know if there's
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's like the Portland trail Blazers, for
Speaker 4: one use of Nrkis gets a lot of crap thrown
Speaker 4: his way on social media's and the airwaves, you know,
Speaker 4: talking about his inconsistencies and a no valid you know,
Speaker 4: some of the things are valid, but still nurk as
Speaker 4: Is is a top what he's a top eight center
Speaker 4: in the league. So you take him out, like, where's
Speaker 4: the up great and how can you get that upgrade?
Speaker 4: And so that's what I look at when I look
Speaker 4: at this situation with the Markey Bucks. Uh, it's tough,
Speaker 4: but definitely I think something has to be done. And
Speaker 4: oftentimes the coaches the first move to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, if we're talking championship coaches at this point,
Speaker 2: Nick Nurse is the only one who's you know, available
Speaker 2: and has that championship pedigree that that obviously jumps out.
Speaker 2: But you know, by the same token, when you see
Speaker 2: that Toronto didn't get em Udoka and emy Udoka is
Speaker 2: going to Houston, and and so when you see the
Speaker 2: initial names of that Toronto is looking at, I mean
Speaker 2: they're they're pretty much all from the assistant ranks and
Speaker 2: it's the same thing that you know, Toronto felt like
Speaker 2: a new voice was needed after five years of Nick Nurse,
Speaker 2: and you know that will be the question in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Is it just a matter of not necessarily that you
Speaker 2: know there's a coach with five, but is it just
Speaker 2: maybe time for a different voice and a different approach,
Speaker 2: because look, the Bucks won the championship in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: first title for that franchise in fifty years, and not
Speaker 2: a soul can take that away. But when they've lost
Speaker 2: in the playoffs over these last five years, it's been rough.
Speaker 2: And this was the roughest of them all. I mean,
Speaker 2: the stat is astounding that in franchise history, with a
Speaker 2: double digit lead in the fourth quarter, in franchise history.
Speaker 2: The Bucks were seventy four and one in the playoffs
Speaker 2: and then they lose Game four in Game five, blowing
Speaker 2: a double digit lead in the fourth quarter, and Giannis
Speaker 2: played both those games. Now, maybe he's compromised them, hut
Speaker 2: because of the back, but Yiannis was out there for
Speaker 2: the last two and for them to lose in that fashion,
Speaker 2: I mean, this series is rough anyway you look at it.
Speaker 4: I know, Honest's phone is being ringing off the hook,
Speaker 4: whether that's calls or texts from players trying to see
Speaker 4: what you're gonna do.
Speaker 3: What you're gonna do what you're thinking. I know that
Speaker 3: for sure. Just I'll just say that.
Speaker 2: But does he even listen to that or you know,
Speaker 2: I I guess I was always under the impression that
Speaker 2: he tunes that stuff out.
Speaker 3: Tunes it out.
Speaker 4: Uh when you what do you mean listen? You mean
Speaker 4: listening like as he entertains it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't think he's
Speaker 3: reached that.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's ever reached that point where he's
Speaker 4: entertained it, entertained it.
Speaker 2: But hey, and he look, he's got a decision. You know,
Speaker 2: he's eligible for an extension in September. Is that something
Speaker 2: he wants to pursue or with I think two guaranteed
Speaker 2: years on left on his deal, would he rather just
Speaker 2: you know, play it out and see where the franchise is.
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: So he he's got decisions to make. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that organization, it's going to be a lot of
Speaker 2: difficult choices and nothing is super easy. And I think
Speaker 2: we can say the same for the clips. You know,
Speaker 2: we're recording this on a Thursday for release Friday. Lawrence
Speaker 2: Frank did his season ending media today in clipper Land
Speaker 2: and it's the same thing. You know, they have no
Speaker 2: easy way. They're so far into the tax already, and
Speaker 2: with the new CBA, you know, do the Clippers really
Speaker 2: have the option of trying to retool or do they
Speaker 2: just have to hope that they can finally keep Kawhi
Speaker 2: Leonard and Paul George on the court and get something
Speaker 2: closer to a full season from them. Are they going
Speaker 2: to be able to keep Eric Gordon and Mason Plumley?
Speaker 2: Are they gonna be able to re sign Russell Westbrook
Speaker 2: with the constraints that are coming in because the tax
Speaker 2: is going to be so much more punitive. You know,
Speaker 2: it's at you when you Lawrence Frank today, it sounds
Speaker 2: like he wants to bring everyone back. He said, they
Speaker 2: do want to re sign Russell Westbrook. He said he
Speaker 2: has no reason to believe that ty Lu wouldn't be
Speaker 2: back as coach. That they want to keep building around
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. But just like Giannis, Kawhi
Speaker 2: and PG, they're also both eligible for major extensions this summer.
Speaker 2: And if you're the Clippers, you know, do you commit
Speaker 2: to those based on the injury history that those guys have?
Speaker 4: And I think we talked about our last episode, like
Speaker 4: with that new arena into it, don that's going to
Speaker 4: be ready for the twenty twenty four twenty five season.
Speaker 4: I don't think you can do much that on that roster.
Speaker 4: That's going to jeopardize taking you out of contention to
Speaker 4: be a you know, to pursue a title. You know,
Speaker 4: let's say Kawhi and Paul George, both of those guys, like,
Speaker 4: I don't do they look at.
Speaker 3: Trying to move one of those guys. I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean they can.
Speaker 4: I have a hard time seeing it even if they
Speaker 4: really did look into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, because I think even if you
Speaker 2: even if you make them available and try to move them,
Speaker 2: what kind of value are you gonna get given the
Speaker 2: injuries that these guys have been piling up. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're obviously a force when they're out there together, but
Speaker 2: they played in less than forty games together this season.
Speaker 4: Tylu said, when Kawhi and Paul George plays in the
Speaker 4: series when they're healthy, they haven't lost. That speaks volumes
Speaker 4: on the tenure of those guys as Clippers. Thus far,
Speaker 4: they haven't lost, but yet they continue to lose. If
Speaker 4: that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And look, even in this series, I mean even with
Speaker 2: just Kawhi in the first two games, I mean they
Speaker 2: had the Sons very concerned. And you know, the last
Speaker 2: two three months of the season, we were all saying it,
Speaker 2: this looks like Kawhi at his Toronto best. There are
Speaker 2: so many teams in this in this league right now
Speaker 2: that are kind of at this just facing major, major,
Speaker 2: major decisions. I mean, Minnesota out now, what are they
Speaker 2: gonna do. Are they going to actually consider shopping Karl
Speaker 2: Anthony Towns because obviously Anthony Edwards is the build around
Speaker 2: piece now and I don't think they're gonna have much
Speaker 2: luck if they try to move Go Bear after the
Speaker 2: debut season he had in Minnesota. So what's Minnesota gonna do,
Speaker 2: What's Dallas gonna do, What's Portland gonna do? And that's
Speaker 2: that's just the West. You know, Golden State would fall
Speaker 2: into that category if they lost early. But now as
Speaker 2: we record this, the Warriors have seized the three to
Speaker 2: two lead and have a chance to finish the Kings
Speaker 2: off at home. You know, Washington in the East, Toronto
Speaker 2: in the East. Milwaukee. Now with question, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: at least a third of the league that that has,
Speaker 2: you know, that is looking at just major, major decisions
Speaker 2: here in the offseason.
Speaker 4: What did you think about the revelation Steyn of Kawhi
Speaker 4: Leonard torn meniscus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that that whole thing was just crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just very you know, he went from
Speaker 2: playing the first two games to to suddenly he's out,
Speaker 2: and you know it was only announced as a knee
Speaker 2: sprain and then it comes out right after was it
Speaker 2: right after the series or late in the series? That's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a torn meniscus, they say. I guess
Speaker 2: the early projections are you know, Lawrence Frank was pretty
Speaker 2: adamant that Kawhi is going to be recovered by the
Speaker 2: start of the season. But it's just how many times?
Speaker 2: How many times is something like this going to happen?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kawhi as told to me, he's still trying to
Speaker 4: figure out his plan of attack and how he's going
Speaker 4: to handle this. It sergely going to be required. Is
Speaker 4: this something you can just rehab on his own? So
Speaker 4: he's in the process of trying to figure that out
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's spin it forward, because again, this
Speaker 2: is dropping on Friday morning. Tonight later tonight, huge Game
Speaker 2: six in LA.
Speaker 5: We have a special guest.
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Speaker 2: this podcast. We're putting this out on the morning of
Speaker 2: Game six, a pivotal Game six, Grizzlies at Lakers, and
Speaker 2: to my great surprise, but a welcome surprise, Grizzlies Royalty
Speaker 2: is joining us. Now you know him as ze Bo.
Speaker 2: Zach Randolph is here making his debut on the This
Speaker 2: League Uncut podcast. Mister Randolph, how are you, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm good, Mark? How you doing, Chris? How you doing? Man?
Speaker 3: Glad to be here?
Speaker 4: All right, man, it's all love, bro love. We've been
Speaker 4: wanting to do this for a four minutes, so glad
Speaker 4: we got to it.
Speaker 2: Well, let's just get right to it. Desmond Bain says,
Speaker 2: your Grizzlies are going to win this Game six and
Speaker 2: force it to a game seven. What do you see
Speaker 2: in the Zach Randolph crystal ball?
Speaker 1: I agree with Desmond. I think they got their momentum going.
Speaker 1: You know, you got that win. You got these guys
Speaker 1: coming in playing confident and believe they can win. And
Speaker 1: once you got that in you you could believe you
Speaker 1: can win. You go into their home and you shock everybody,
Speaker 1: and that's how they go.
Speaker 3: Zach, you can't.
Speaker 4: You came up in the era man where well you
Speaker 4: didn't do too much talking. You had to talk when
Speaker 4: when it was necessary. But people knew not to not
Speaker 4: to you know, not to take it there. If they
Speaker 4: wanted to take it there, they knew there'd be some smoke.
Speaker 4: So but nowadays you got you got the Memphis Grizzlies,
Speaker 4: who you know, they've been bringing it.
Speaker 3: They've been bringing it with their with their mouths, and
Speaker 3: they bring it.
Speaker 4: They brought it with their game to a certain point,
Speaker 4: but it hasn't gotten to that level. So when you
Speaker 4: hear all the criticism about the Memphis Grizzlies and they're
Speaker 4: doing too much talking, they haven't accomplish anything enough to
Speaker 4: be dancing, talking, parading around like their Muhammad Ali or
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 3: With with the with the chatter, what do you see?
Speaker 3: I know you're close to it, but what do you see?
Speaker 4: How do you assess how the Memphis Grizzlies conduct themselves.
Speaker 1: I think they conduct theirself like any other young NBA
Speaker 1: team that's in the you know, just playing all these
Speaker 1: guys are young. To me, they all do it, you know,
Speaker 1: not the Grizzlies, you know, the Rockets, you know, all
Speaker 1: these young guys. That's what they do now. It's the generation.
Speaker 1: And I think I like it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I like trash talking. I like them going back and
Speaker 1: forth it. You know what I'm saying. It's part of
Speaker 1: the game. Make the game better, make the game fund
Speaker 1: as long as you keep the game fun and clean.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think they just like any other
Speaker 1: young team in the league that do do the same
Speaker 1: amount talking.
Speaker 3: You know, you're playing days, who was the best trash
Speaker 3: talker or who was.
Speaker 4: Someone that you felt like, Man, you're doing all this
Speaker 4: trash talking, but you ain't did nothing yet?
Speaker 3: Was that what comes to mind when I say that? Man,
Speaker 3: that's a good question.
Speaker 1: See, Like you know, I know KG used to talk
Speaker 1: a lot, but you know KG back it up though
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, So you know he ain't want
Speaker 1: of them guys. But you know, you know, like our
Speaker 1: area a little different, man, we ain't really you know,
Speaker 1: guys didn't really do that too much, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I didn't. I never had to argue
Speaker 1: with no guy or you know, you know, me and
Speaker 1: Reggie Evans, we used to get into it, but you
Speaker 1: know we wouldn't.
Speaker 3: You know, we was for real, you know, he was
Speaker 3: gonna fight. I was gonna fight.
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, we talking each other
Speaker 1: on the load, like you know it's gonna go down.
Speaker 1: But like it's just different now. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of guys just you know, they ain't fight. But I
Speaker 1: like it, you know, I like it. You know, I
Speaker 1: like word set, like how they go at each other
Speaker 1: now and you know they let it go a little bit.
Speaker 3: So I like that that part of the game. Word set.
Speaker 3: But I ain't.
Speaker 1: Ain't too many guys back then, really, you know, they
Speaker 1: talk talk stuff. You know, you like KG he talk
Speaker 1: a lot of crap, you know what I'm saying, But
Speaker 1: he bagged it up.
Speaker 3: You know, you because got into a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that went viral.
Speaker 2: Your team was so loved in Memphis. I mean John Hollinger,
Speaker 2: who used to work in the front office there, would
Speaker 2: I remember I you know, I stole this from him.
Speaker 2: He would call it Mount Grismore and you Marc Gasol,
Speaker 2: Mike Conley, Tony Allen, like the four faces of that era.
Speaker 2: I know you still love this franchise obviously, but you
Speaker 2: know they there is a lot of criticism that they
Speaker 2: need veteran guidance. Like, you know, if we could drop
Speaker 2: you in that locker room and like as the Eudonis Haslam,
Speaker 2: what would you be telling Jah or Dylan Brooks in
Speaker 2: general about the noise about the playoffs? Like what if
Speaker 2: you were in that role? How would you handle it?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: I just tell me, young guys, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: different game. You know, let's be prepared, like you know
Speaker 1: they are prepared. It's gonna be ups and downs, and
Speaker 1: you know, everybody know our.
Speaker 3: X and os. They know our X and o's, we
Speaker 3: know the xnos.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be about just so just you know,
Speaker 1: keeping them in the track because like you said, Mark
Speaker 1: every I think all these teams need a veteran guy
Speaker 1: on our team, you know what I mean, to keep it.
Speaker 1: You know, let these young guys know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because they've been through the been through the ropes.
Speaker 1: We've been through the ropes, so we can help them
Speaker 1: and tell them, you know, hey, man, let's go just
Speaker 1: get ready or this, you know, try not to do
Speaker 1: this or even off the court stuff. So you know,
Speaker 1: having that veteran guy around helps a lot.
Speaker 2: I know you're certainly not there every day anymore, but
Speaker 2: I'm guessing you do make I know you do make
Speaker 2: an appearance or two in Memphis on occasion. So what
Speaker 2: what kind of interactions have you had with these guys
Speaker 2: and how open are they to veteran advice?
Speaker 3: Many open, man.
Speaker 1: The young guys are good, great man, great young guys
Speaker 1: the way Zachlan did. And you know, guys up there
Speaker 1: organization buildings, teams, great man, and the guys they listen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Young guys are.
Speaker 1: Hungry, and you know they want to win and they
Speaker 1: believe they can win. Their confident but not only that,
Speaker 1: they're good guys and they always open to learning more.
Speaker 3: And you know I talked to Lofton Junior.
Speaker 1: You know, I talk the job all them guys, exaviers,
Speaker 1: spartant guys, and just tell them, man, keep working, man,
Speaker 1: the sky is the limit.
Speaker 4: Zach I gotta touch on this because people don't know.
Speaker 4: City of Memphis ain't no joke, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's shit going on every day in Memphis. Man, if
Speaker 4: you put yourself in the wrong circle of people, man,
Speaker 4: it can it can be costly. The city of Memphis
Speaker 4: love the Grizzlies, especially when the Grizzlies are relevant, especially
Speaker 4: when they got guys that they feel that represent them,
Speaker 4: represent their culture you know over there in Memphis. So
Speaker 4: can you speak to just the the dynamic of you know,
Speaker 4: the streets in Memphis and the connection that has to
Speaker 4: the to the basketball you know some of you know,
Speaker 4: some of you stars and how careful do you have
Speaker 4: to be in combining all that together.
Speaker 3: Can you just speak on that dynamic.
Speaker 1: I mean I think, like you know, Memphis city is
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's it's not you know Myphis
Speaker 1: got a bad name or like you said, it's just
Speaker 1: but you know, it's any city. And he's certain parts,
Speaker 1: you know, like any other city you be in the
Speaker 1: certain parts you be in. But like you said, with that,
Speaker 1: they you know, they are with the team, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And you got to like you said,
Speaker 1: have you know, find it, you know, the good parts
Speaker 1: and still be able to get back to the community
Speaker 1: like I did.
Speaker 3: I gave back to the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: But you know I still they respected me because I
Speaker 1: respected them, and you know, I didn't try to act
Speaker 1: as a certain way. I just you know, I come
Speaker 1: in there, I feed the hood, and you know, I
Speaker 1: go back and they come support the games. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's how it's supposed to be. I don't think you know,
Speaker 1: no type of you know what level you on. The
Speaker 1: whole city is supposed to community to keep to come
Speaker 1: together with every NBA team and every city from poor
Speaker 1: people to the rich people to the to the end between,
Speaker 1: and bring everybody together.
Speaker 3: And that's how I feel. You know, that's how the
Speaker 3: city of Memphis is. You know, yeah, they right, they
Speaker 3: ride and die with y'all for show.
Speaker 4: It's just you know, I think a lot of player
Speaker 4: and to your point, it ain't it's not Memphis. There's
Speaker 4: it's it's cities all around. But I think Memphis because
Speaker 4: it's so small, and you know, a lot of times
Speaker 4: you guys, especially you know the grind City days, they
Speaker 4: resonate with you guys, and so there's there's a connection,
Speaker 4: and so.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's easy for a lot of
Speaker 3: few people. It's usually easy for.
Speaker 4: Some players to kind of go down that path and
Speaker 4: start trying to associate themselves with the wrong people. You know,
Speaker 4: have you ever had you ain't got to mention names.
Speaker 4: But have you ever had to I don't know if
Speaker 4: that was something personally you had to deal with or
Speaker 4: if you ever had to advise other guys on how
Speaker 4: to navigate. Look, we hoopers, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Let's keep that first and foremost. Let's leave the streets
Speaker 4: ship to the to the streets. How how have you
Speaker 4: had to handle that all the time. I tell these
Speaker 4: young guys all the time. You know, still like you said,
Speaker 4: leave it, lead that street ship to the street ship
Speaker 4: and knowing that because when you come like I come
Speaker 4: from that, I come from the poor neighborhood that I
Speaker 4: come from, mother and.
Speaker 1: Welfare, single parent, shoot Kimsen and that's nothing. But so
Speaker 1: you stay away from that. And if you guys gonna
Speaker 1: respect you and that you know, they gonna respect you
Speaker 1: for being yourself, you know, And if you be yourself,
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna get respect. Don't try to be
Speaker 1: some that you're not. And I never tried to be there.
Speaker 1: And that's what I tell the young guys, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, man, keep the first thing I tell them,
Speaker 1: stay out of trouble, keep your nose clean, Gonna get
Speaker 1: your name and nothing because that's gonna mess your money up.
Speaker 1: So you want to keep your nose clean, and you
Speaker 1: don't want to you want to stay out the clubs
Speaker 1: because all that shit I've been through Christ So I
Speaker 1: can tell you, I can tell oft the junior.
Speaker 3: I can tell them guys. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know what I've been through.
Speaker 2: Right, And they don't want to hear it from outsiders. No,
Speaker 2: But I'm guessing when it comes from you, it's different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's different when you know it's come from guys,
Speaker 3: guys that they respect, and you know they respect me,
Speaker 3: so you know, and I just tell you know, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna keep it one hundred with the mark, and that's
Speaker 3: what I do.
Speaker 2: When you first went there, how long did it take
Speaker 2: you to feel? I mean, like, now, you know we
Speaker 2: associate you with Memphis, But how long did that take where?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Man? You know, it's so crazy. People don't know. My
Speaker 3: father's from Memphis. I met him when I was thirty two.
Speaker 1: But you know, when I came into the league, me
Speaker 1: and Quintel, which Quintel came to the League my second year.
Speaker 1: He's from South Memphis, so me and him we connected asap.
Speaker 3: That was my best friend.
Speaker 1: So every summer, like I was in Memphis, he was
Speaker 1: in Indiana and we were together, you know, a summer
Speaker 1: league after that. So like I already been before I
Speaker 1: got trade to Memphis, already got an eight.
Speaker 3: Nine year history in with Memphis. So it was all love.
Speaker 1: When I was coming here, I was like, wow, you know,
Speaker 1: I already got family here, my daddy from here.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, it's what God wanted, ze Bo.
Speaker 4: When you think about the era of social media, and
Speaker 4: again we talk about, you know, you being so valuable
Speaker 4: not just to the Memphis Grizzly organization but just people
Speaker 4: in general because you've had your We all have our past.
Speaker 4: We all have our past, we struggled. I mean, you
Speaker 4: guys are growing up with millions of dollars at a
Speaker 4: young age. You're growing up with that. So everything that
Speaker 4: you're learning, everything you're going through, you're going through in
Speaker 4: the public eye, right and so but I don't think
Speaker 4: you didn't have social media earlier.
Speaker 3: On Thank God Ship God Ship see.
Speaker 4: Man can case like when you look at the social
Speaker 4: media landscape now and how everything is just plastic plastered
Speaker 4: out there, like what what what.
Speaker 3: I would imagine?
Speaker 4: That's uh you can kind of feel for the athletes
Speaker 4: and the players in that regard, you know, having to
Speaker 4: grow up in front of us and have social media
Speaker 4: right there to kind of just plaster everything out there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Me and my homeboy, my cousin was
Speaker 1: talking about the the other day. Boy, if it was
Speaker 1: social media back then, man, you know, you don't know
Speaker 1: where you beat today, because man, you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: we all guys young, we all been through it, like
Speaker 1: you said, coming in millions of dollars young at the
Speaker 1: young age, you know, come from poverty, not knowing money,
Speaker 1: no money, literacy or none of that. So just you know,
Speaker 1: coming in like that, man, a lot of guys could
Speaker 1: have been in some ship. Man that social media would
Speaker 1: have been you know, been back around gluing myself because
Speaker 1: you know, everything you do now you got it.
Speaker 3: You gotta live like you you.
Speaker 1: Know, you always got a camera on you and it
Speaker 1: ain't just a camera, but it's a camera to the
Speaker 1: whole wide world.
Speaker 3: And that's the difference, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You all you gotta lens everybody you know on Snapchat,
Speaker 1: on Facebook or live.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so it's always the internet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's one thing like even if even if one
Speaker 4: of your incidents you know, is in the press, is
Speaker 4: in print, it's in print, it's a whole. It taken
Speaker 4: to a whole other level with it's on video and
Speaker 4: then seeing you right, it's a whole.
Speaker 1: It's a difference, right, or even when you're talking on
Speaker 1: the radio about it or on the TV, it's the
Speaker 1: difference that you got that video.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, Man, what's it like for you to
Speaker 2: go to games now? As a fan? I love go
Speaker 2: to it to go watch the Grizzlies. What is that
Speaker 2: like for you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: I love it, Mark, I love it. I love them
Speaker 1: guys men out there, the fans, the city. It's still
Speaker 1: like it's still like I'm playing. You know, when I
Speaker 1: go to Memphis, I still get to love man, and
Speaker 1: that's my city and that's home for me. Always going
Speaker 1: to have a special heart, special place in my heart
Speaker 1: for Memphis. But just going there, man, making me feel great,
Speaker 1: seeing what we a foundation we laid down. You know
Speaker 1: they GrITT and grind. I'm young guys taking that and
Speaker 1: still out there grinding it. You know that's how we was.
Speaker 1: You know, we were out there we're grinding we were
Speaker 1: tough and that's the identity they taken and man feels
Speaker 1: good to see that and that the fans still you know, no.
Speaker 3: No to grint and grind. No, you know what we
Speaker 3: went through in and to where we're at now.
Speaker 2: Do you see this team as an extension of that
Speaker 2: or should we describe them with different terms than GrITT
Speaker 2: and grind?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta describe them a little bit, Mark. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Jay is is different, man, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Just with him and you know jaaring down there.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know they they're they're I don't know,
Speaker 1: Flash Gordon or something. I gotta seek this man, Ay,
Speaker 1: you know say special so you.
Speaker 3: Can't, don't. You know? They are grid and grind.
Speaker 1: They always keep that identity and keep that in their
Speaker 1: heart because that's how you you got to have it
Speaker 1: hard to win. But like you know, they create their
Speaker 1: own idea.
Speaker 3: You know, mhm Zebo. You're definitely known as uh one
Speaker 3: of the heart, you heart.
Speaker 4: And soul figures of that Memphis Grizzlies ten year squad,
Speaker 4: Grit and grind. But you spent your first six years
Speaker 4: in Portland and those those are you know coming up
Speaker 4: you know, young into the uh into the league. If
Speaker 4: you're talking, if you're talking, if you're being candid with
Speaker 4: I guess a youngster, UH that's coming into the league yourself,
Speaker 4: and a youngster asked you, z Bo, what's one thing
Speaker 4: you regret in your first three or four years in
Speaker 4: the league. How would you handle something differently? What would
Speaker 4: you what would you reveal to them? How would you
Speaker 4: and what would you tell them?
Speaker 1: I say, be patient, stay in the gym like I did.
Speaker 1: You know I stayed in the gym at a young age.
Speaker 1: And being patient, you know, keeping your circle small, not
Speaker 1: going out all the time, not being in clubs, not
Speaker 1: being seen, you know every now and then it's okay,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, keeping a low profile, you know,
Speaker 1: you know things like that, you know that nature or
Speaker 1: like keeping herself out of trouble, keeping themself you know
Speaker 1: off the scene.
Speaker 3: You mentioned patience.
Speaker 4: You stepped into a Let me see Portland they were
Speaker 4: pretty competitive.
Speaker 3: Who was the vests you had your first couple of years?
Speaker 1: My vests damn missed out of my you know, or
Speaker 1: viatas sabone is for she Bunzie Wells, Steve Kerr, Chris Duley, guys,
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were making these real vets, real vets.
Speaker 4: So when you talk about patience, I'm sick of just
Speaker 4: basketball court right now.
Speaker 3: We talking about patients.
Speaker 4: Like that's kind of tough when that that team is
Speaker 4: they're prepared to win it all. Like how how difficult
Speaker 4: is that for a young guy, you know coming into
Speaker 4: the league.
Speaker 1: That's that's real difficult, you know, coming in the league.
Speaker 1: And you know back then, you you know, guys can
Speaker 1: sit on the bench. We should sit on the floor.
Speaker 1: So sitting on that damn floor, my ass.
Speaker 3: Hurt every day. Hold on you, you're the first round
Speaker 3: picks on the floor, man, every game.
Speaker 1: But now it's just like you said, just having just
Speaker 1: going through that, just and still learning and still having patience,
Speaker 1: but always you know, wanting to be out there, but.
Speaker 3: Still put your work in and whenever your number called,
Speaker 3: stay ready.
Speaker 1: Like when coach called me when my chance came in,
Speaker 1: when she got spind it or whatever for the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I got the chance, I stayed ready, and I was patient,
Speaker 1: always worked it. You know, I was a student of
Speaker 1: the game. I listened, you know, to all my vests,
Speaker 1: to all my coaches. Well my time was called, I
Speaker 1: was ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So obviously we asked you about job what you
Speaker 2: would kind of how you would kind of advise him
Speaker 2: and talk to him. Dylan Brooks is certainly not keeping
Speaker 2: a low profile. I mean, he's been under scrutiny this
Speaker 2: whole postseason. You know, he's you know, issued these challenges
Speaker 2: to Lebron James, which may or may not have been
Speaker 2: a smart idea. I mean, what what what like? What
Speaker 2: do you how do you evaluate his approach to these playoffs?
Speaker 3: I like it. I like the fire, you know, I
Speaker 3: like the fire.
Speaker 1: But you know, as long as you stand up, and
Speaker 1: you stand up and be a man of your word,
Speaker 1: and you stand you know, taking how it come, win, loser, draw,
Speaker 1: and still be the man and still hold your head
Speaker 1: up and just that that's okay, you know.
Speaker 3: And you know he I like him. I like him.
Speaker 3: I like him.
Speaker 1: He tough, he's not, you know because a lot of
Speaker 1: these you know guys were like, you know all you
Speaker 1: know now and play nice guy.
Speaker 3: You know, it's your turn. It's your turn. You know.
Speaker 1: It ain't like how it used to be. So I
Speaker 1: think with that, you know, it makes a game funner.
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying, Z boy. I gotta come
Speaker 4: back at you on that. Okay, I hear, I hear
Speaker 4: what you're saying, right, So I love it. First of all,
Speaker 4: I love try to talking. Terrell Lewens was my favorite
Speaker 4: player in the NFL when he when he was playing
Speaker 4: because he I remember, man, you know, if you if
Speaker 4: you had a problem with him dancing an in his zone,
Speaker 4: stop him.
Speaker 3: I had no I remember when he did it.
Speaker 4: And when he's playing the Baltimore Ravens, he would he
Speaker 4: scored a touchdown on the Ravens and did the ray
Speaker 4: Lewis dance in the end zone. I'm like, damn, he
Speaker 4: did this right for the ray Lewis. Love it, love it.
Speaker 3: So my thing is so Dylan, you go challenge bron Fuck.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: But you know Dylan walked out after the game, didn't
Speaker 4: talk to the media.
Speaker 3: Stand up. That's the stand up.
Speaker 2: Got stand up.
Speaker 3: What I'm talking about it.
Speaker 1: Man, when lose your drug, you still gotta hold your
Speaker 1: chest high and you're cheering up and take it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Instead, I stood on it. We're gonna come back, bounce back,
Speaker 1: you know, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Manning up. You got a man up all the way
Speaker 3: through all the way through for sure. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I have no problem to try atop a stand up,
Speaker 4: do your job, you know, dress the media. He deleted,
Speaker 4: not deleted social media, but like wipe this social media
Speaker 4: clean and stuff like that, like not, And I don't,
Speaker 4: cause social media is a different but like, I think
Speaker 4: the effects of social media has a has had an
Speaker 4: impact on mental health, and so I don't, like, I
Speaker 4: don't slight people for how they handle that, but uh,
Speaker 4: you know they're Dylan said, you know, the villain role
Speaker 4: was kind of placed on him by the media and
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 3: Like, come on, you know, we can't. I can't roll
Speaker 3: with you right there. Like I feel in everything you're.
Speaker 4: Doing, Like I have no problem you bring in the smoke,
Speaker 4: I have no problem with that, But you got to
Speaker 4: stand on it. That's that's the only thing that's got
Speaker 4: a stand on it. That's the only thing my bas time.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, bad, I'm going on an old man, rent.
Speaker 2: No, it's all good. I really wanted to ask you,
Speaker 2: you know, two years ago it was the one year
Speaker 2: anniversary of Kobe's passing, and you collaborated with me for
Speaker 2: a piece I did on your daughter, and I was
Speaker 2: really honored that you guys, both you and and McKinley
Speaker 2: were willing to talk to me about that because I
Speaker 2: just can't even imagine, you know, being thirteen fourteen and
Speaker 2: losing someone in your life, the role that Kobe had
Speaker 2: coaching these young girls. So just, you know, give give
Speaker 2: us an update from everything I hear McKinley is just
Speaker 2: crushing it and playing fantastic. Just how she doing. Kind
Speaker 2: of give us, give us the scouting report on where
Speaker 2: her game is right now and how much z BO
Speaker 2: is in her game right now.
Speaker 3: Man, McKinley, she's doing great.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: They number one team in the country.
Speaker 1: They didn't win the state they got beat they won
Speaker 1: the year before, but they end it would still be
Speaker 1: in the number one team in the country.
Speaker 3: She's been working hard, man, I'm proud of her. She's
Speaker 3: a workaholic, you know.
Speaker 1: Not only that she gets straight as she made the
Speaker 1: Dean List, so like she on and off the court,
Speaker 1: off the course, she's a tremendous young lady.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: It respects everybody and very humble and yes ma'am.
Speaker 3: No sir, you know, tired her like that. So I'm
Speaker 3: proud of her. Man.
Speaker 1: As far as the on the court. She's she loved
Speaker 1: working man and she wanted to be the best, and
Speaker 1: she put her time in. She just got done working out.
Speaker 1: I just talked to her before this interview. She was
Speaker 1: working out her my other daughter. I got another thirteen
Speaker 1: year old daughter at place too, so they were working
Speaker 1: out together. So but yeah, I'm proud of Kelly Man,
Speaker 1: I really am.
Speaker 3: That's dope.
Speaker 2: Are they both righty's or is there another lefty in
Speaker 2: the family?
Speaker 1: Kelly righty Messiah, she's alrighty. My son he's lefty, he's
Speaker 1: he can do both hands. My nine year old, so
Speaker 1: their little brother.
Speaker 3: So that's dope. Ze Bo.
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask, you know, looking at your numbers.
Speaker 4: You know, usually when a player of your calibers the league,
Speaker 4: you start to look at their numbers throughout the career
Speaker 4: last three years and you start to see a decline
Speaker 4: in numbers. There really wasn't a decline for you. I
Speaker 4: mean your last year with the Kings, you average around
Speaker 4: fourteen to fifteen the game. And so I want to ask,
Speaker 4: how was how was exit the league at that point
Speaker 4: when obviously you still could play, Like, how how was it?
Speaker 3: How was it for you? That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Man, see, well, you know, you know around that time,
Speaker 1: you know, I see, the league was going a lot younger,
Speaker 1: and you know, I had stuff, you know, with set
Speaker 1: up in business. I didn't really want to stop playing,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to be one of them guys
Speaker 1: that you know, go to a team and don't play
Speaker 1: and they gonna say, okay, Zebo, just let the young
Speaker 1: guys play, because I know I could still play and
Speaker 1: bring something to the team. So, you know, I just
Speaker 1: made a decision man that you know, I was thirty eight,
Speaker 1: you know, I probably it was maybe thirty seven. So
Speaker 1: so I was like still at that age, like you know,
Speaker 1: returning seventeen, and so I was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: could play a couple of years, maybe get bounced around
Speaker 1: here or there, you know what I mean. But I
Speaker 1: just decided to go in and go into with the business,
Speaker 1: you know, focus on the music industry and you know,
Speaker 1: the real estate and my business and been well. And
Speaker 1: I have a lot of time when my kids can
Speaker 1: go to their game.
Speaker 3: So man, I was glad I did what I did.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't it wasn't a hard transition for you,
Speaker 4: you know, sir, Okay, your last season you spent with
Speaker 4: the Sacramento Kings.
Speaker 3: What do you think about what they've done? And yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean they were they were looking good for a
Speaker 3: minute and serious against the Golden State Wars.
Speaker 4: They were up two. Oh they lost the last three. Now,
Speaker 4: but what do you think of their story?
Speaker 3: Man? Sacramento is a great organization, tremendous man.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know revect the owner man, and you
Speaker 1: know Mike Brown and coach what they're building there with
Speaker 1: you know, the All Stars and d Fox and some bonus.
Speaker 1: So I think what they're doing is great, you know,
Speaker 1: like you said there, you know it's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of them teams to be reckoned with for a long
Speaker 1: long time out there, the West Man in the NBA,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's gonna be the futures great for them.
Speaker 2: Last thing and we'll let you get out of here.
Speaker 2: Miami just knocked off Milwaukee as an eighth seed over
Speaker 2: a number one seed. I can't forget that you were
Speaker 2: part of one of those. That's there's only been six
Speaker 2: in NBA history, number eight over number one. There's only
Speaker 2: been four in the Best of seven era. But you
Speaker 2: guys were so crazy. If I remember this right, and
Speaker 2: you could tell me if I have it wrong, but
Speaker 2: I think I have it right. The Grizz were tanking
Speaker 2: their way. They wanted to play San Antonio in the
Speaker 2: first round for some crazy reason. But it actually worked.
Speaker 2: It was actually the right call. And you guys, you
Speaker 2: guys knocked them out. What do you remember about that run?
Speaker 1: That is true, Mark, because I think like we had
Speaker 1: during the season or are playing against the Spurs. We
Speaker 1: had the overall record. We thought we matched up with
Speaker 1: him pretty good, man, And yeah, so we were trying
Speaker 1: to get to the Spurs.
Speaker 3: That is true, man. It was a great, great you.
Speaker 1: Know, part of my career I will forget always think
Speaker 1: about just beating them and then playoff feeling it, you know,
Speaker 1: just seeing what it's all about.
Speaker 3: Man, there's nothing like playoff basketball, Zach.
Speaker 4: Before you get out of here, man, I gotta ask
Speaker 4: you this because this just came across my desk, probably
Speaker 4: a day last day or so. You really paid Jamar
Speaker 4: Carroll ten thousand dollars for some Air Force ones?
Speaker 3: Hell? No, Oh, did you see did you see him?
Speaker 3: Did you see him say that? Uh? Uh? Did you call? Hell? No,
Speaker 3: Damar Carroll? No hold on man, hold on ten thousand?
Speaker 3: Hold he's gonna give you some shit.
Speaker 6: Hold on hold when I realized that, Hey man, I'm
Speaker 6: in the NBA. These guys got money. My big vet
Speaker 6: Zach Randolph the best guy. There is no fake about him.
Speaker 6: So one day I come.
Speaker 5: In and he was like, hey, little brother, little bro,
Speaker 5: come here. And I was like, what's up? What's up?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 5: I need you go get me some white, some white ones.
Speaker 5: I was like, what your white was? And he pulled
Speaker 5: out a lot of money. It was like some eight.
Speaker 6: Thousand he handed to me. I said, I said, what
Speaker 6: you need on the one? Yeah, I just need one
Speaker 6: you bring I said, what's all this?
Speaker 5: I don't need all this?
Speaker 6: Whatever the rest will figure out. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be smart. He might be testing me. Let
Speaker 6: me see. I'm grabbed by eight or ten. I brought
Speaker 6: him back to Change, I think Change probably about six
Speaker 6: thousand probably, and I was like, here you go, bro.
Speaker 5: He was like, nah, you keep that. He grabbed, pulled
Speaker 5: out another folk down. He was like, make that team.
Speaker 5: He go, there you go.
Speaker 6: I said, what in the world where am I?
Speaker 1: That's cap brush cap maybe a few maybe a few
Speaker 1: hundred or something.
Speaker 3: That's a good story, though, it was a long topicgo man,
Speaker 3: that is memories of them. Yeah, ten thousand and Nike
Speaker 3: sitting the Air Force one. I haven't I haven't been.
Speaker 3: It was a long topical, man, that mays a memory.
Speaker 4: You membery get bad after a while, man.
Speaker 1: Age murray, good guy, that's my that's my young boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead style we close it out. Story.
Speaker 2: Well, look, it's been great to visit with you and
Speaker 2: tell some old tales. But you really think the Grids
Speaker 2: are going to win this game six in l A
Speaker 2: and take this thing back home for a game seven.
Speaker 3: I'd be in the building tomorrow. That's right.
Speaker 1: Bring them good, bring that good, or to the building
Speaker 1: tomorrow the Grizzlies.
Speaker 2: Man, you'll get a good seat while they get you
Speaker 2: on the floor.
Speaker 3: I want to be on the floor, man, I got
Speaker 3: a card, pair of man.
Speaker 4: See that.
Speaker 2: You put me on the floor, we'll be we'll be
Speaker 2: looking for you. Thanks the mill for joining us. Man,
Speaker 2: always great to catch up.
Speaker 3: Appreciate appreciate you, and that'll do it for us.
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