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Speaker 3: Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: Here we go Hour two. All fired up for Brad Underwood,

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Speaker 1: the Illinois head coach. Their team is fascinating. If they

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Speaker 1: found a freshman guard, he's like SGA six six, wiry,

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Speaker 1: totally unrecruited, walked on campus and you're like, we ourselves

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Speaker 1: a lottery pet. They went all spent their money. They

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Speaker 1: got twins from Croatia u Pasia Stoyokovich's kid.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating team.

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Speaker 1: So, I you know, I've been on this a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but I just want to stamp what I truly believe.

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Speaker 3: This was my prediction.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I like to be right when I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: I admit it, but I kept saying about nil.

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Speaker 3: You can buy a lot of things in life.

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Speaker 1: You can't buy happiness, and you can't buy championships. The

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Speaker 1: New York Mets are a great example, they got Steve Cohen.

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Speaker 1: They are rolling out the money and last year they

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Speaker 1: finished four games over five hundred and missed the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So the most of the five most expensive rosters in

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Speaker 1: college basketball Kentucky BYU Duke, Arkansas and Louisville, none made

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Speaker 1: the Final four.

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Speaker 3: One made the Elite Eight.

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Speaker 1: And I've said this, the NIL money is jet fuel

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Speaker 1: if you got a great head coach and an excellent culture.

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Speaker 1: If you don't, all it does is raise expectations and

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Speaker 1: get coaches fired. Texas Football number one IL last year,

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Speaker 1: couldn't make a twelve team playoff. Phoenix Suns last year

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Speaker 1: ten games under five hundred. One of the most expensive

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Speaker 1: rosters in league history. It's like Hollywood. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: my daughter used to live in. They call it who

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Speaker 1: West Hollywood. Ten thousand beautiful men and women that are

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Speaker 1: perpetually unemployed. You'll see them at Equinox and Trader Joe's

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Speaker 1: every day in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: Do they have the work ethic? Do they have the commitment?

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Speaker 1: They're beautiful, they should be on the big screen and

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Speaker 1: they can't get work.

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Speaker 3: There's so many things that matter. Here's the truth.

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Speaker 1: Fans don't like the nil because people don't like when

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Speaker 1: other people separate from them. The example I would use

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Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey got less popular when she went on a

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Speaker 1: diet and lost forty pounds true story. I used to

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Speaker 1: she lost weight because the feeling was, oh, now she's

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Speaker 1: separating from us. And you know the Kentucky, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is a rich basketball program. They're in their longest Elite

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Speaker 1: eight drought in team history. So I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: you can't. You know, Mick Cronin and I talked about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't get a better roster. But

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Speaker 1: what if they don't fit, what if you can't coach,

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Speaker 1: what if your culture stinks. All these teams left Yukon, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're all like Michigan, Dusty May, great culture, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Lloyd was up at Gonzaga for twenty years. He

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Speaker 1: to Spokane. Well, not anymore because they have a great

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Speaker 1: system and a great coach and a great culture. And

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Speaker 1: with that, Brad Underwood is joining us live fascinating team. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm on one of my rants Brad about all this

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Speaker 1: nil stuff.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it. I was taking it

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Speaker 1: So your team is probably the most fascinating. You go

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Speaker 1: get a player Keaton Walludler, He's unrecruited.

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Speaker 5: You know, you go through it in the summer, and

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Speaker 5: And I said, Okay, he's really tough and he's got it.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's easier to recruit domestically because you

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Speaker 1: know the good AAU programs you've been coaching in the States.

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Speaker 1: When you go over to Europe. I mean, I love,

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Speaker 1: I'm going with my son to Europe this summer. I'm

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Speaker 1: a visitor. I've been there a few till I am

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Speaker 1: Maybe you go to Europe five times a year that

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Speaker 1: I don't know about. But how do you know who's good?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's a bunch of agents trying to

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Speaker 1: I feel like recruiting Europe could be really full of

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Speaker 5: And I give my staff all the credit. Jeff Alexander, Orlando, Antigua.

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Speaker 5: We've been nurturing relationships over there for years and now

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Speaker 5: And we developed relationships with the agents, with the coaches.

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Speaker 5: And then to be honest, it was it was it

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Speaker 5: Do they fit in our locker room? And I'm a

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Speaker 5: really big character guy. I want character, not characters. And

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Speaker 1: So Brad Underwood, coach of the Fighting Line I Illinois,

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Speaker 1: which I was down watching a football game and looking

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Speaker 1: not a lot of disruptions, not a ton to do.

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Speaker 1: look at your game against Yukon. You guys have been

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Speaker 1: an unbelievable second half team this year and in the tournament,

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Speaker 1: Yukon is they wear you down and it fatigue sets

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Speaker 1: have you been I mean when you think of you Conan,

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Speaker 5: Easy to me. It just jumps out and smacks you.

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Speaker 5: And that's and that's their culture. It's winning. Uh, there's

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Speaker 5: They can have a drought, they can play great. They

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Speaker 5: they don't ever get too high, they don't ever get

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Speaker 4: I think that we're a completely different.

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Speaker 5: And we've been into just nasty street fights with Houston

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Speaker 5: same type of game with Yudukon. They just don't go

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Speaker 1: So I know you've already. I watched the Michigan game

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Speaker 1: I can't even believe it. In the half court said

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Speaker 1: it's really for college basketball, It's extraordinary. Mara who was

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Speaker 1: three other excellent teams, or do you think these teams

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Speaker 5: I think it's four teams that any of them can

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Speaker 5: win it. And if you don't play well, you'll lose.

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Speaker 5: You'll lose, you know.

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Speaker 4: I think that.

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Speaker 5: You know, you you've seen uh uh you know, Purdue

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Speaker 4: Thanks Colin. I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 1: So last night you can baseball season starting. I was

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Speaker 1: Last night we grilled vegetables and hot dogs.

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Speaker 7: Isn't it like if you eat a hot dog you'd

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Speaker 4: Mack with a news. No, no turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 7: All right, let's start with Victor Wembinyama, the most dominant

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Speaker 7: Last night, he had the third fastest double double in

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Speaker 1: When he's hitting his three point shot, it's game over. No,

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Speaker 7: There's a unicorn in baseball show Heo Tani pitching and hitting,

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Speaker 7: Look at these numbers, Colin ridiculous. Wem Ben Yama is

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Speaker 3: So be it. This is the MVP.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is the MVP. Here's the thing. How many

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Speaker 7: Guys are ornery on TV and podcasts ranting about the

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Speaker 7: current era is because of the money.

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Speaker 8: Jaylen Brown's making extraordinary money.

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Speaker 7: All these guys are look at this salary like I

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Speaker 7: don't see whether Hayton, but go ahead.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I think money is a big part

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Speaker 1: of it. Money is something for men. It's just a thing.

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Speaker 1: Career ascension. Money is a big deal.

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Speaker 7: But it is it twenty years ago. Comin twenty five

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Speaker 7: years ago you were played in the league.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry you weren't born later.

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Speaker 1: Bro We Lebron who's a billionaire, and Michael Jordan who

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Speaker 1: still makes hundreds of millions a year on shoes, but

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Speaker 1: they're not bitter but you can hear some of the commentators.

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Speaker 1: Like one of the things about the NBA, I do

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Speaker 1: think it's funny to tell old NBA stories because it

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Speaker 1: was just so lively in the seventies and eighties. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, one of the things that I don't love

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Speaker 1: is this constant need to look in the rear view

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Speaker 1: mirror for basketball. Like there's like, again, baseball lore in

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Speaker 1: history is such a huge component to baseball, right, But

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Speaker 1: what makes baseball great now is you can go on

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Speaker 1: the air like you and I do and talk about

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Speaker 1: the current players, not Mickey Mantle.

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Speaker 3: And that's that to me.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the healthiest parts of baseball is I

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Speaker 1: got Bryce Harper, I got Otani, I got the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: I got the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: The players are unbelievable in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: So many of the old guys all they want to

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Speaker 1: talk about is the old basketball and four guys on

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Speaker 1: the court couldn't shoot a three. The players now are

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Speaker 1: so much more skilled the ball handling and shooting today.

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Speaker 1: Go back to the Knicks Pacers series take out Reggie Miller.

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Speaker 1: Was there one more pure shooter in the entire remaining

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Speaker 1: nine s.

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Speaker 7: Debtl Stramp fabviously, No, I'm kidding. But that's a great

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Speaker 7: point because baseball, Oh, who are the best nine of

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Speaker 7: all time? Make your team? And it's like Babe Ruth,

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Speaker 7: Mickey Mantle, Luke Area, and I'm like, what modern players

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Speaker 7: are amazing?

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Speaker 8: What are we doing?

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Speaker 7: I don't understand that with baseball. You go to basketball

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Speaker 7: and the old I mean a lot of people I

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Speaker 7: don't even put.

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Speaker 8: Bill Russell in like my top ten.

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Speaker 7: He won a lot. He was great in his era. Well,

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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know what he's doing now. What's

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Speaker 7: Bill Russell in the NBA now? Like, I'm not knocking

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Speaker 7: his games?

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Speaker 1: So at the time, I mean the time he made

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco Dawns a college basketball dynasty. I mean

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Speaker 1: he was for his time. That's why I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can compare eras Yeah, but I will say right now,

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Speaker 1: I think the thirty for thirties on Spike Lee and

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Speaker 1: Reggie Miller.

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Speaker 3: I watched that series.

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Speaker 1: It was a free throw shooting contest, was I mean

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Speaker 1: it was seventy three sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Not enough basketball scores more than that now.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, Cooper Flag is about as big

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Speaker 7: as Bill Russell was. Cooper flag was like a playguard.

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Speaker 7: Now people does everything. Anyways, let's finally let's wrap things

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Speaker 7: up cone with the NFL. Interesting little story here in

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Speaker 7: that Sean Mannion is a Eagles hired Sewn Manny and

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Speaker 7: the former Packers offensive assistant as the ROC, and he's

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Speaker 7: never called place. Okay, However, Matt Lafleur knows Manny and

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Speaker 7: well and believes he will crush it and Philly because

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Speaker 7: of his work ethics, adding his only control will be

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Speaker 7: dealing with the media circus in.

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Speaker 8: The City of Brotherly Love.

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Speaker 7: Now I know you're a big wip listener, and they

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Speaker 7: are panicking about Manyon never calling plays, dealing with AJ Brown,

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Speaker 7: maybe broken Jalen her just.

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Speaker 1: Because somebody's never done something. I mean, Sean McVay had

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Speaker 1: never been a head coach. That doesn't mean he can't

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Speaker 1: do it, so I don't.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's interesting because the Eagles are a contender.

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Speaker 7: They have a first time play caller. The Broncos are

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Speaker 7: a contender. They have a first time play caller, young

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Speaker 7: guys Shawn Manny and Davis Webb. Seahawks have a new

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Speaker 7: offensive coordinator. A lot of newness among the top teams.

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Speaker 7: The Rams of course, are retaining.

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Speaker 8: A great miffy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think listen, the Eagles are very offensive coordinator dependent.

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Speaker 1: That's not what the Chiefs and the Rams and the

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Speaker 1: Niners are, so like you think, oh, you guys are

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Speaker 1: talking about coordinators. The Eagles are coordinator dependent. Shane Steichen fantastic.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kellen Moore really good when they don't have it,

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Speaker 1: because the head coach and the quarterback are not, to me,

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Speaker 1: not elite enough to just carry a C plus coordinator.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with a news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking this last night about you start looking

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Speaker 1: right now at basketball between college and the pro. You know,

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Speaker 1: one of the great things that's happened to baseball is

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Speaker 1: the international stars are just I mean, they're remarkable play.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Dodgers saw their bullpen. They're starting pitching.

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Speaker 1: I mean o Tani wasn't hitting against the Philly and

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Speaker 1: you have these international players. It's crazy you watch Illinois

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Speaker 1: play sports now, like soccer was always international. Soccer was

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Speaker 1: always global, and then basketball you'd have guys from overseas,

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Speaker 1: but they you know, you'd get maybe two guys in

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Speaker 1: the league overseas that were really respected. Is you look

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Speaker 1: at college basketball now. I read a story a year

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Speaker 1: ago they were thinking about shutting down a Spanish league.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but that the America

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Speaker 1: and colleges were just rating rating like Spain for the

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Speaker 1: top players. Well, they're all over here now. The other

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Speaker 1: thing I think that is true is that the American public,

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Speaker 1: it could be restaurants or it can be sports. People

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Speaker 1: know quality. And in the last two years now you

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Speaker 1: could say, well they've changed the television rating system, but

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Speaker 1: the ratings haven't gone up slightly and the ratings aren't

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Speaker 1: going up massively for everything. Is that at For years

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Speaker 1: and years I used to say college basketball is tough

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Speaker 1: to watch. Well, I mean the NBA guys don't play

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Speaker 1: any defense. The reason college basketball teams could full court

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Speaker 1: press you is because only two guys could handle the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm watching Michigan. They got three or four guys,

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Speaker 1: including mar the center, who are elite passers. You didn't

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Speaker 1: have that ten years ago. You may have one great passer,

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Speaker 1: one great ball handler. Just the reality of these international

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Speaker 1: players that come in for Illinois, these college teams now

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Speaker 1: now NBA teams have five guys that can handle the ball,

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Speaker 1: at least four on the floor. You can't have two

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Speaker 1: non scores, non shooters in the NBA. You'll get exposed.

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Speaker 1: You can maybe have one if he's a great defender,

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Speaker 1: like Draymond Green. College basketball, about ten years ago, it

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Speaker 1: felt like every team had one guy who could really shoot.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching Michigan and Illinois and some of these college Arizona.

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Speaker 1: You got Arizona's got seven guys who can handle the

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Speaker 1: ball like pros and five guys that can shoot like pros.

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Speaker 1: So the American public is the part of the rating

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Speaker 1: surge is the quality is much better. It doesn't take

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Speaker 1: people very long to figure out. You know, you'll see

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Speaker 1: these restaurant groups. In Chicago, there's two or three major

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Speaker 1: restaurant groups and they've got fifteen restaurants, and all of

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Speaker 1: them crush. Why because those restaurant groups know what the

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Speaker 1: hell they're doing. They're well funded, they hire the best people,

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Speaker 1: and they retain them. People aren't loyal to restaurant groups necessarily,

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Speaker 1: they're loyal to good food. And if you make the

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Speaker 1: best hot dog in Chicago, the best steak, of the

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Speaker 1: best lasagna, it's gonna work, and if you don't, you're

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Speaker 1: you're You're out of business. So I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of the Surgeon College basketball ratings is just people are smart,

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Speaker 1: people know when quality is awful.

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Speaker 3: Go back, go back.

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Speaker 1: In YouTube the Duke and Yukon Butler Finals, it is

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Speaker 1: So I defended Dan Hurley last hour, the Yukon coach

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Speaker 1: who is intense and combustible, and you know he barks

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Speaker 1: not at his players but at refs. So there was

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Speaker 1: a moment at the end of the Duke game when

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Speaker 1: he and official Roger Ayres like just moved by each other,

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Speaker 1: and then his coat is disheveled, and you know he's

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Speaker 1: and it looks like they butt heads and Duke.

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Speaker 3: Fans were like, ah, that is outrageous.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, they just they just won the game.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's in a bad mood. He is

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Speaker 1: intense to get us in your face. You know, you

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Speaker 1: see it briefly and you're like, wait, what what what?

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Speaker 3: Here's Dan Hurley on what happened with he in the ref.

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Speaker 9: He's such an easy guy to work with during the

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Speaker 9: game that I thought he was coming over to chest

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Speaker 9: bump me to celebrate the shot. My experience with him

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Speaker 9: has been you know, we haven't won every game. I've

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Speaker 9: agreed on every fall, but his like so that was

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Speaker 9: in no way was that like me and a ref

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Speaker 9: that I had been at there for the whole game.

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Speaker 9: That was more like the emotion of the shot and

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Speaker 9: this is a cool ass ref. He was just come

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Speaker 9: up to tell me his point three. Oh I think

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Speaker 9: there's gonna be point three or point four on the clock,

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Speaker 9: is what he's saying to me. And I was still

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Speaker 9: so hyped from the shot going in that I was like,

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Speaker 9: you know, like ednyone would have.

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Speaker 4: Walked up on me right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm going to say I agree with

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Speaker 1: what he's saying. And when you watch his jacket off

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Speaker 1: to the side of Hurley, he's kind of strutting. He's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's that Vince McMahon. Look when he's walking in,

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Speaker 1: Hurley's kind of strutting like a little peacocking. And then

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Speaker 1: the ref comes over and just says, Hey, point three left,

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Speaker 1: and then that's what Hurley said, And so I, I,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dan's intense, don't you guys have intense friends?

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Speaker 1: Am I the only one? Sometimes? You know, Anne wants

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Speaker 1: to make a point. She gets right in the kitchen,

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Speaker 1: she gets right in my face, and that you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm just used to it, but I I. Hurley's

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Speaker 1: an intense guy. So there's I mean, Mike Krzyzewski. Mike

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Speaker 1: Krzyzewski was I mean all over officials for thirty years,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of it wasn't pleasant. And

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Speaker 1: it's sort of like when you're Hurley or Coach k

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Speaker 1: or Tom Izzo. You have had these officials for fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: You have like relationships with the officials, like they know you,

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Speaker 1: you know them, you know they they're impartial, but you know,

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Speaker 1: you joke around house, the fam so it's like Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball umpires. You don't think Clayton Kershaw. Well, Clayton

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Speaker 1: Kershaw looked at the home plate umpire. I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw was like, he is not giving me stuff

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Speaker 1: on the hands, like he wants you to work quickly.

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Speaker 1: He gets frustrated, you know him. He he's got to

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Speaker 1: he's got a state dinner reservation at ten at the palm.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna give me a stroke. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: give me a big strike zone. I mean, I remember

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Speaker 1: talking to Kurt Shilling once he goes. I think it

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Speaker 1: was John Hirschbeck. He guys, some guys they like they

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Speaker 1: want baseball to be fast.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna give you a wide.

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Speaker 1: Now, you can't do it with the ABS system, but

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Speaker 1: there were umpires that were like, you knew you got

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Speaker 1: a certain strike zone. And there are there are NFL

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Speaker 1: officials that give you cornerbacks a lot of physicality and

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Speaker 1: you can grab. It's the same in college basketball. What

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Speaker 1: you're trying to do if you're Hurley is over than

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Speaker 1: Mike Krzyzewski is your preaching defense. When I think Mike Krzyzewski,

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Speaker 1: I don't think of brilliant offense, I think of defense.

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Speaker 1: When I think of Dan Hurley, I think of defense.

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Speaker 1: So what Skrzyszewski and Dan Hurley and I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't hear a mic, but I would imagine a lot

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Speaker 1: of what they're complaining about is, hey, man, let us

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Speaker 1: be physical. This is our style. You're you're you're intruding

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Speaker 1: in our style. You're letting them be physical. You won't

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Speaker 1: let What you're trying to do is grow, get a

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Speaker 1: little growth in the physicality allowed over the course of

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Speaker 1: a game.

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Speaker 8: You you you.

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Speaker 1: I mean I never thought coach K's offense. It didn't

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Speaker 1: blow me away, but I always thought the culture in

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Speaker 1: game coaching recruiting physicality.

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Speaker 3: I mean they played hard. Duke plays hard.

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Speaker 1: I covered Jerry Tarkanian for years and they had this assistant,

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Speaker 1: Tim Gergeriche. Everybody always talked about the running rebels. If

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Speaker 1: you really faced Jerry Tarkanian's rebels, what you realize is

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Speaker 1: how damn hard they played on defense and they didn't

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Speaker 1: know is I mean sometimes I mean, if you didn't

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Speaker 1: play defense, or at least try, it was hard to

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Speaker 1: get on the floor with tark and so the rest

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Speaker 1: that bark are just trying.

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Speaker 3: To Hey, you're killing us.

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Speaker 1: You're not letting us play real defense here, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, it's all part of the you know, Bobby

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Speaker 1: Knight just complained about everything.

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Speaker 3: That was the difference.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, the quality. Brad Underwood, coach of Illinois,

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Speaker 1: was on our show twenty five to thirty minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: The NIL between stealing players from Europe, stealing taking players

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Speaker 1: from Europe, recruiting players from Europe, and keeping guys in

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Speaker 1: college one more year. The quality right now is remarkable.

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Speaker 5: So I'm a big fan of NIL. I think the

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Speaker 5: game of basketball's never been better. The I mean, Yaxell

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be in college if it was if it wasn't

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Speaker 5: for NIL. You can go on down the list and

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Speaker 5: college of basketball itself.

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Speaker 4: The talent is just unreal.

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Speaker 5: The players are so good and that's helped that, and

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Speaker 5: I'm for that. I think the key is building your roster.

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Speaker 5: I think it's all about role players.

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Speaker 1: So this is really interesting. This is a discussion I

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Speaker 1: have had with different coaches about this. Obviously, if you're

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Speaker 1: Oregon and you can get Dante more or a great

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Speaker 1: left tackle, you know, nobody's disputing that. But what you're

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Speaker 1: finding with nil in college football. I mean, obviously you

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Speaker 1: get Caleb Downs and you're from Alabama and your Ohio state,

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Speaker 1: you just go get Caleb Downs, like he solves all

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Speaker 1: your back end issues and everybody needs a good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But what you're finding is with a really smart college

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Speaker 1: basketball and football programs is a lot of the NIL

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Speaker 1: stuff is to just make sure that you're not awful

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Speaker 1: anywhere it's not necessary. I mean, Kentucky can go pay

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Speaker 1: for stars. What you have to figure out is, I

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Speaker 1: mean go look at Michigan. Now, Yaxel Lendenburgh's obviously very

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Speaker 1: very good player, but Mara was a five point a

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Speaker 1: game guy at UCLA. They didn't go buy a big

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Speaker 1: offensive guy. What they bought is Dusty May told me

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Speaker 1: this off air yesterday. He was like, listen, he was

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Speaker 1: a good passer at UCLA. We thought he could be

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Speaker 1: a hub offensively, play in and out inside out basketball,

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Speaker 1: but we knew he would stabilize any of our defensive liabilities.

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Speaker 1: And so they just went and bought a rim protector

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Speaker 1: who could also pass. They didn't bring him in for scoring.

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Speaker 1: So I think the programs that get in trouble with

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Speaker 1: an il. You're just trying to buy points, and that's

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Speaker 1: not what it is. What you're trying to buy is leadership,

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Speaker 1: culture and a specific skill plug a hole. And I

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Speaker 1: think the programs that get that. Like I said before,

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Speaker 1: the five top spenders in college basketball, nil none made

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Speaker 1: the Final Four.

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Speaker 3: One Duke made the Elite Eight. That's it. And last year.

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Speaker 1: Texas number one, nil spending could not make a twelve

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Speaker 1: team playoff. Suns one of the biggest payrolls in NBA

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Speaker 1: history ten games under five hundred, didn't have the chemistry.

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Speaker 3: So it's I.

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Speaker 1: Think it's an all time great Final four matchup. Can

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Speaker 1: four teams win it? Brad Underwood says, yes, all four

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Speaker 1: can win it.

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Speaker 5: All four teams are playing really well, and it's it's

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Speaker 5: a matter of you know, Michigan has been maybe the

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Speaker 5: best player in the tournament in Yaxel, and I think

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Speaker 5: that they have something that maybe the rest of us

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Speaker 5: stone in Mara, who's just an absolute defensive monster at

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Speaker 5: the rim.

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Speaker 4: But if you if you don't play well, they could lose.

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Speaker 1: I think earlier this season, Gonzaga is a really good program,

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Speaker 1: and Gonzaga has been a They are a giant now

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Speaker 1: they were a giant slayer for Mark fuz first decade.

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Speaker 1: Go on Zaga doesn't get blown out much. Michigan blew

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Speaker 1: their doors off, and it was a game and Michigan's

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Speaker 1: not always a great shooting team, and it was one

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Speaker 1: of those games early in the season where Michigan was

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Speaker 1: just hitting jumpers and gon Tag is a really good

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Speaker 1: program and they.

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Speaker 3: Just pore them apart. It's like Wow, Wow.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take Michigan to win it. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll beat Arizona close. I think the Aliini are a

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Speaker 1: tough They've just got a lot of ways to score,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think Yukon does. So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take Illinois by about four. I'm going to take the

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Speaker 1: same Michigan three or four, and we're gonna have an

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Speaker 1: all Big Ten final and I would have to take

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Speaker 1: I would have to take Michigan.

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Speaker 8: So go with the favorites.

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Speaker 7: Throughout Smart It's been a favorite tournament Chalky, which normally stinks,

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Speaker 7: but the games have been so thrilling. So who do

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Speaker 7: you give a better chance to pull the upset, yukonn

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Speaker 7: or Arizona.

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Speaker 8: I think Yukon.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't even I don't think Arizona's an underdog.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a second dependable score, but they're so

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Speaker 1: great in terms of toughness, size, coaching.

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Speaker 8: Coaching I think is one uh yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I think.

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Speaker 1: Michigan Arizona there is no underdog. I think those are

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Speaker 1: the two most talented teams. I don't feel like there's

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a coin flip game. I just think

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Speaker 1: I think the defensive presence of Mara is just hard,

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Speaker 1: like Brad said, just hard to overcome.

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Speaker 3: Nobody else has that. Yeah, our three