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Speaker 1: People think I have a raspy voice from like smoking

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Speaker 1: or some shit. It's from yelling to be heard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were loud, We were you know, we had fun.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: This is a special episode because I'm in studio with

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Speaker 2: my guest, which is always extra fun, and I want

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Speaker 2: to warn you at the outset I may slip into

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Speaker 2: a Boston accent. I can't promise that I won't, because

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Speaker 2: when I'm talking to people from Boston and about Boston

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Speaker 2: sometimes that happens. So apologies in advance, but I am

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Speaker 2: so excited to welcome a claimed actor of film, television,

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Speaker 2: and theater, Emmy Award winner, Golden Globe Award winner, and

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Speaker 2: most importantly, fellow masshole, Michael Chickliss. Welcome to Off the Cup.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. See, I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I worked long and hard on getting

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Speaker 1: rid of my Boston access in the theater. But already,

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Speaker 1: as you can hear it, I just as soon as

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Speaker 1: you evoked that, I'm like, oh, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to talk about I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about your career, but let's go right to the thing.

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Speaker 2: You were born in Lowell. You grew up in and

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Speaker 2: of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, born and Lowell, raised in Andover. Wonderful,

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Speaker 1: you know, wonderful childhood, had a great time. My father

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Speaker 1: gave us ten fingers. He didn't want us to well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Roll was at the time a depressed mill town.

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Speaker 1: It was before the tech industry came in there. So

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Speaker 1: he wanted to get us over the line and to Andover,

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Speaker 1: and you know he did and he did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now I didn't go to Phillips. I was a towny,

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Speaker 1: right but right. I went to Hanover Public School and

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Speaker 1: it was wonderful and I got a as it turns out,

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Speaker 1: you know, actually really blessed to grow up in the

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Speaker 1: seventies in Massachusetts because there was such an onus on

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Speaker 1: the continuum that is your education. Yes, the thought process

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Speaker 1: of you know, it's never ending until the day you die.

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Speaker 1: Every day you you grow, you read, you ask questions.

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Speaker 1: So it was really a bent on curiosity.

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Speaker 2: I felt that way too. Where in Andover did you live?

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Speaker 1: I lived on right on right on one thirty three

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Speaker 1: by uh Lovejoy Road, just as you literally we got

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Speaker 1: right over the line from low Yes, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's ry the corner like Shaw Sheen, Lunch Andette. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm from andover.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but I like, see that's so spawn on.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that's exactly where my friend Bob Pascarella lives.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we became best of friends and have

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Speaker 1: been in every band together.

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Speaker 3: Since we were eight years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah together, yes, yeah, so yeah, I loved as well.

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Speaker 3: Me too.

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Speaker 2: And I totally know what you mean. It's a part

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Speaker 2: in other parts of the country. It's a part of

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Speaker 2: the country that really does revolve around education. And you know,

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Speaker 2: you go into Boston and there's like three hundred colleges

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Speaker 3: This is where I went to Boston University.

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Speaker 1: If not, Yeah, And you know, it was just you

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Speaker 1: don't realize how fortunate you are until you go away,

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Speaker 3: A beautiful place and also was in an innocent time.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this earlier that you know, it's

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Speaker 1: so crazy right now everything is so intense, Yes, it's

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Speaker 3: Off, you know what I mean? And yeah, I do,

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Speaker 1: Played and you know, sure we were informed about the

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Speaker 1: broader world via the newspaper, but there wasn't any of this.

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Speaker 1: I really am concerned for this generation. And I say

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Speaker 3: They're women.

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Speaker 1: My oldest is thirty one and a brilliant young woman,

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Speaker 3: You know, she went for the funny, you know.

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Speaker 1: And that's another reason actually why I defaulted into I've

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Speaker 3: But I thankfully was there.

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Speaker 1: I really it was imperative to me that I was

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Speaker 1: there for my kids formative years. Yes, I coached their

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Speaker 2: Well that's important to you, and without them knowing it,

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Speaker 2: it's important to them.

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Speaker 3: Too, so they've said as much as women.

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Speaker 2: Now before we leave V andover, I'm just wondering when

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Speaker 2: the last time you saw your high school yearbook.

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Speaker 3: Was a long time ago? Did you? Oh my god? Help?

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Speaker 3: Oh that's insight. That's my ninth grade picture that they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I when it was that picture day and

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Speaker 1: they used my ninth grade and see how I look thirty?

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Speaker 3: Then that's why I've always played older people.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was the commission twenty seven. People don't

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Speaker 2: A full head of hair.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Can I read you something though?

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Speaker 3: I don't know?

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Speaker 2: So you go through. There's a quote here and then

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Speaker 2: you list your hobbies, which are football, gymnastics, drama club, baseball, madrigals, barbershop, quartet,

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Speaker 3: Probably something about the stage and film.

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Speaker 2: Become an actor and make films.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I always knew that. Well apparently I tell you, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's me, And I believe I used a queen quote.

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Speaker 3: I think it was from Tao Torrea Torriato.

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Speaker 2: Let us cling together as the years go by, Oh

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Speaker 2: my love, my love, and the quiet of the night.

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Speaker 2: Let our candle always burn, Let us never loose the

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Speaker 3: I thought it was appropriate for So were.

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Speaker 2: Your parents encouraging because obviously you got into acting kind

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love that. I'm going to get to tell

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Speaker 1: First of all, my mother studied opera when she was young,

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Speaker 1: And my father, you know, believe it or not, was

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Speaker 2: Well where do you think that came from? At five?

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Speaker 1: I think it's from the movies, you know, from my

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Speaker 1: and I said, Dad, how is it that a practical,

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Speaker 2: Not like a trade school, right right exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of I went to the Vogue,

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Speaker 3: And we'd be like that. So that's me kid.

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Speaker 1: Wow, he said to me, fixed me with one of

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Speaker 1: didn't know it was who you were? Uh, do you

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Speaker 1: think I would have allowed it?

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Speaker 3: And I cried because he was like, I couldn't. You know.

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Speaker 1: My father would say to me, Charlie, what are you

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Speaker 3: How are you going to allow this? And he said, Dad,

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Speaker 3: can you picture Michael doing anything else? And he go, no,

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Speaker 3: I guess not. So they get behind you.

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Speaker 2: He saw me and as a kid, especially at that

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Speaker 2: going to be, to be seen by your parents, Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, it's a it's not a given.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you story after story people I went

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Speaker 1: And I think I really think a big aspect of

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Speaker 1: it was there. Parents would like one in particular, and

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Speaker 1: I will not divulge. But this parent said to me,

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Speaker 1: why don't you tell my son to get real about life,

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Speaker 1: you know, right in front of him, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: What are you doing right?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean so much?

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Speaker 3: Especially he was incredibly talented.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that support is I can't It's the difference between

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Speaker 1: and we ended up running into the thing.

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Speaker 3: Wait.

442
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Speaker 1: So I come up to the car and I'm pissed

443
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Speaker 1: off and I hit the hood of my car and

444
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: when I did that, all of a sudden, on the

445
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Speaker 1: other side of my car, the trunk goes, and I

446
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 1: go and we go around to the back of the

447
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: car and the block's been pulled out and all of

448
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: our ship's gone.

449
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: No can I swear? Yeah, okay, all of our shit's gone.

450
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 3: And we got robbed and.

451
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: I got to take it and rob I thought.

452
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Speaker 1: In the first hour, I'm in, I'm in New York.

453
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: A news crew, a cop, and a robber have been

454
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Speaker 1: to my car.

455
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Speaker 2: That happen.

456
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had to buy all new ship.

457
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: We went to a department store and we had to

458
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Speaker 1: all our head shots.

459
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 3: It was what was he doing with my head shots?

460
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 3: They just took everything and split.

461
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: Well that's a baptism by fire.

462
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah and music.

463
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Speaker 2: Welcome to New York.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so and listen. I love this city, you know.

465
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Speaker 1: I often joke I don't have hate for my heart,

466
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 1: in my heart for any person, place.

467
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Speaker 2: A thing except the Yankees.

468
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Speaker 3: I fucking hate. I love New York. I I love

469
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: I do. I love you New York.

470
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Speaker 1: I've lived here for probably nine years of my life altogether.

471
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: I've done Broadway, I've been I've shot here a bunch

472
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Speaker 1: of times.

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Speaker 3: I love New York.

474
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: But when someone makes you cry that often when you're seven, yes,

475
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: you just kind of have a thing about him, you know,

476
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: I will say. One of the prides of my life though,

477
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Speaker 1: as a as a odcore Boston.

478
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: Guy, had how I'm with You wicked hot course.

479
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: Check this out?

480
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Speaker 2: Okay.

481
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: When Derek Jeter yeah uh, retired, the MLB reached out

482
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Speaker 1: to me to be the narrator on his retrospective because

483
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Speaker 1: oh no, yes, oh no yes, And I did it

484
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Speaker 1: proudly because he you know, the whole thing is he

485
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: transcends the rivalry. And if you can't look at a

486
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Speaker 1: Mariano Rivera or a Derek Jeter one of those guys

487
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Speaker 1: and tip your hat, then you are then you're not

488
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Speaker 1: really a baseball fan.

489
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Speaker 3: You're just an You're just an.

490
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Speaker 1: Asshole, you know what I mean. I'm a real baseball

491
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: and I love baseball. The rivalry is a different thing,

492
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: and I still understand it's sports.

493
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: You know.

494
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: Some people are a little too maniacal and they like

495
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: get into fights and stuff about it. I just get,

496
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, all worked up about it, that's all, you know.

497
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: But I'd like to think I'm healthy about it.

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Speaker 3: I think you in person.

499
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: Take me back to the John Belushi role and wired,

500
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: because you get praised for this role.

501
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, but the movie I'm aligned and well, you know,

502
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: because the movie we made never made the screen, you know,

503
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: and I'm reluctant to even talk about it because it's

504
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: so far behind me. I'm thrilled to have it way

505
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: behind me because it was trial by fire.

506
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Speaker 3: You know.

507
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: Most people get a small role in something they get

508
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 1: to stick their toe in and figure out what it is.

509
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, my first movie, I'm the first lead playing

510
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: an icon with an Academy Award winning producer. Didn't know

511
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: about the controversy. Two months into it, I find out.

512
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: I call the producer and the director. I'm like, what

513
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: the you know? They come to my apartment tell me.

514
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, and they thought. I think they assumed I

515
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Speaker 1: knew and I did not know. And the controversy was well,

516
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: it was based on a book by Bob Woodward really briefly,

517
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Speaker 1: and you know, it was heady stuff for me. I

518
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: was twenty four years old, right, and you know this,

519
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Speaker 1: I know him from all the president's men and being

520
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: the guy who took down Nixon. Right, So all of

521
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm in the company of what perhaps the

522
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: greatest journalist, you know, investigative journalists.

523
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Speaker 3: You'll find this fascinating.

524
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Speaker 1: At one point, when we were talking about the controversy,

525
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: he got upset with me because, you know, I was

526
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: a little loose. I was twenty four years old and

527
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I was a little out of line. I think I

528
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: asked him. I don't remember, but I think I said

529
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Speaker 1: to him, Hey, Bob, do you ever smoke a joint?

530
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You know, I mean it

531
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: comes off very judgmental.

532
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: You know the book, you know, it's very sort of

533
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: sort of Joe Friday, just the facts, you know, John

534
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 1: did this, John did that.

535
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't that it was self righteous.

536
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: It was just very sort of you know, just the facts, man, right,

537
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: And he got mad at me. I think his face

538
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: turned as red as a studio. He's like, I'm an

539
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: investigative journalist. I don't write something unless I can corroborate

540
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: it from five independent sources, right, nineteen eighty eight. And

541
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 1: even then that made me go, wow, can you imagine

542
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: that now?

543
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 3: Right? Well, I saw a tweet, right, you.

544
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: Know, and it's like in the post, like, you know,

545
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: he must really not be okay about any of this,

546
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: because he I'm sure this whole thing was.

547
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not a writer.

548
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: Of prose, right exactly.

549
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: I was asked to write about this. I said no

550
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: four times, and the fifth time his widow, Judy asked

551
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: me intimated that he may have been murdered. And that's

552
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: when my investigated reporters clicked in and I took the assignment.

553
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: And this is what I wrote, and now they've rejected

554
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: it because it and I said yes, because you understand

555
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: it reads as an indictment against not only John but

556
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: his friends the people around him.

557
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: This is the reason.

558
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: So I felt like this guy in the middle, like, yeah,

559
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: I've always been a bridge builder in my whole life, right,

560
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: That's that's my sort of lot in life.

561
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: I see all of it. I'm an observer of human behavior.

562
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: There'll be a great segue into talking about this last

563
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: week don in Washington, DC.

564
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 3: If you've noticed, I don't know if you've noticed.

565
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: I've never really talked about my political leanings or affiliations ever.

566
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: And there's a reason for that.

567
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: Years and years ago, I did Bill Maher's show before

568
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: it was when it was politically incorrect for ABC. And

569
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: it's during that experience that I realized, oh, this isn't for.

570
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: Me in politics.

571
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: Politics.

572
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: If I'm first of all, if I'm going to be

573
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: a politician, I'm going to be a politician.

574
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: But I'm an actor.

575
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: I'm a storyteller, so first and foremost, I don't want

576
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: you knowing everything that I think, because I want when

577
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: you watch me play a character, I want you to

578
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: take the ride with me. And go on this story.

579
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: That's right, And I don't want people sitting there in

580
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: the theater going on. But I know he thinks, man,

581
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, I mean no, no, And I knew that

582
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: then twenty five years ago.

583
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: I had that instinct. So that was one reason.

584
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: And the other reason is my job is to be

585
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: I observe human behavior. I we're sort of behavioralists, right,

586
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: people watch at the next level, you know, because we

587
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: don't just watch and observe. We question, We read, we

588
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: look into We like when I play someone, I get

589
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 1: into their life, their way of life, their their right,

590
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: their backstory, right. And I don't, you know, I don't

591
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: want to cloud any of that with politics, right. And

592
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: I had the most fascinating week last week. I went

593
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: down to I've been to Washington before twice before this.

594
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: Once when I was a kid.

595
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: My parents did the obligatory thing, took us down there

596
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: when I was like ten, and we went to the

597
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: Smithsonian and all that, you know, all the memorials and stuff.

598
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: But then in two thousand and eight I went down

599
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: there with my friend DJ Caruso and Shi La Boeuf

600
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: and the Spielberg to be in Eagle Eye and I

601
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: shot for a week at the Pentagon. I played the

602
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense and was fascinating. It was really a

603
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: great experience. But really, the only you know, official building

604
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: that I got to go in was the Pentagon.

605
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: Which was enough for me.

606
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: I got down to a good one.

607
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: I got to land on the lawn there in a

608
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: Blackhawk helicopter post you know, well was it?

609
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Post nine to eleven. And I even said to

610
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: the general at the time, was like, he was such

611
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: a trope, such a cliche. This guy. He was like six',

612
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: five he had a sort of A texan.

613
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: Thing AND i said to, Him, sir he's like a

614
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: five star general who was our. Liaison AND i, said

615
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: how is it that we're being allowed to shoot in

616
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Speaker 1: The pentagon In post?

617
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: NINE i live In.

618
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: America he, goes this is An american, production, Right AND

619
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Speaker 1: i go, it sure.

620
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Speaker 3: Is he, goes this is A spielberg, production. RIGHT i go,

621
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Speaker 3: it sure, is, Sir and he, goes, well, then what's

622
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Speaker 3: the fucking. PROBLEM i was, like no, problem here was

623
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Speaker 3: ry none at.

624
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Speaker 2: All.

625
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: Fantastic he was, great he was.

626
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Speaker 2: Great this will be uh, well since this will air long,

627
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Speaker 2: after just so people know you're talking about The White

628
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Speaker 2: House Correspondence dinner. Weekend, well, yes AND i was there as.

629
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Speaker 3: Well, yes and we missed each other and we were

630
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: at a lot of the same.

631
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Speaker 2: Party we totally. Were, yeah that's how it.

632
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: Goes it was like Your oscar week and you guys

633
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: go way harder than.

634
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Speaker 3: We i'm telling.

635
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: You it was like a whole week of. Partying but

636
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Speaker 1: Now i'm like killed me.

637
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: Too I'm i'm, exhausted.

638
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: So my wife AND. I but, well that's not what

639
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: took us, There, okay it just.

640
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: Was a wonderful byproduct right of being.

641
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Speaker 3: There.

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00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: Then, yes we were there actually with a delegation from

643
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: The Creative coalition to advocate for the budget maintaining the

644
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: budget for The National endowment for The, arts which is

645
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: under threat because Of doge and all the everything being.

646
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: Cut so we went in there and went to The

647
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: hill and went to The White house and talked with

648
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: mainly staff because it was out of, session but some

649
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: of the congress people and, senators you, know to advocate for,

650
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: this which was unbelievable for a kid From. Boston you,

651
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: KNOW i try to tell people, This, really we take

652
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: it seriously up, there didn't. YOU i, MEAN i you,

653
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: KNOW i, listen The, enlightenment The. Founders it's like a

654
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: huge deal in my, world in my, life you. Know you,

655
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: KNOW i love this country warts and, all you, know

656
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: because we're the first to be so self correcting and

657
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: so self, aware you, know and there are certain things

658
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: that separate us from everybody. Else and one of them

659
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: is The First. Amendment it's the first. One it's not

660
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: the tenth. One it's the first, one, right because it's

661
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: really super. Important and a lot of people were grossing

662
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: about The Correspondent's dinner prior to, going AND i had

663
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: never been to A correspondent's, dinner And i'd seen them

664
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: on television and laughed and, everything and you, know, people you,

665
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: know there are comedians and, everything but people were really

666
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: upset by the fact that there Weren't there wasn't going

667
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: to be a comedian this year because somehow that would

668
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: Be kyle toowing to the administration and. Whatever AND i

669
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: just went there with my curiosity radar, up just, like

670
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: let me see.

671
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 3: This AND i found it to be super appropriate because

672
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: the tone intenor was. Serious yeah it.

673
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 1: Wasn't you, Know, look we can joke all we want another,

674
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: time but right, now this is a serious, matter and.

675
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: What we do is very very.

676
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: Serious AND i think this was some maya coopa going

677
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: on there as well as you, know you know, again

678
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i am so a bridge builder and not talking

679
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: about political affiliations or, LEANINGS i just as an observer

680
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: found it incredible really also how toxic politics are in

681
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: general when you, leave LIKE i went to a bunch

682
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: of wonderful brunches WHERE i was approached by pundits from

683
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: both sides of the. Aisle pictures were taken of me with.

684
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: Them for, Example David urban comes running at.

685
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: Me you guys look like.

686
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: Twins, well this is the.

687
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Thing for, years we've both been accused of being each,

688
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: other and this is, baldism ladies and, gentlemen this is.

689
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: Baldism we're. Not he's, terrific and we're not all the same.

690
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: People god damn, it we're. Not and the joke was

691
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i was There Dean norris And dean AND I

692
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: dean AND i you know What i'm. Saying So dean

693
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: AND i were walking around and people were like going To.

694
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: Dean they're going like the shield's. Awesome and people are

695
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: saying to, ME i love breaking bad And i'm like

696
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: we don't even you. Anymore we're just, like, yeah same.

697
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: Guy everybody's, bald you, know like, Uh and then he comes,

698
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: over so they took pictures with the three of. Us

699
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: that's you, know and and it just once proof, positive

700
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: once and for. All we're not the same, person, right?

701
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: Funny but, yeah, right, yeah, YEAH i got a. Second

702
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: WHAT i know how this? Goes what is?

703
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: Happening you? Know, no it's just this.

704
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: Guy and then in another, Frame i'm with Wolf blizzer.

705
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah and oh, yeah, yeah, YEAH i, KNOW i. Know

706
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: i'm just, like, wow, MAN i know how it.

707
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: Goes, BELIEVE i know you.

708
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: Do it's so weird because we.

709
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: Got to cut it. Out we have to.

710
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: STOP i HAVEN'T i haven't. CHANGED i haven't changed WHO

711
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: i am or WHAT i. Believe and the parties have

712
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: changed around. Me So i've gone from being too far

713
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: to the left too far to the right. NOW i,

714
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: mean you can't. WAIT i haven't. Changed i'm the. Same

715
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: but that's what you, know, Politics american. Politics. RIGHT i

716
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: wanted to do to put you in a, box and

717
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: then it wants to demonize. YOU i wants to tell

718
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: you the rate of this person be angry at this.

719
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: PERSON i know. Exctly, well it's this, thing it's this.

720
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: Thing, well that doesn't.

721
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: Help it's this. Phone we're on, radio where it's social.

722
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: Media it doesn't, help doesn't. Help i'm.

723
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: SORRY i, joined you, know the different social media you

724
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: know apps when they first came, out BECAUSE i wanted

725
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: to be part of liberal, education a part of the great.

726
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: Conversation, sure, Right and it was that for.

727
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: A, minute yeah it. Was BUT i was so, naive you.

728
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: KNOW i had the first one of the first personal

729
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: computers in the late, eighties AND i THOUGHT i was

730
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: on fire about.

731
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: IT i was, like, oh the.

732
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 1: Future it's, right it's it's the communication, age and now

733
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: the world's going to be. Smaller we're going to be

734
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: less afraid of each. Other it's going to be you. Know,

735
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: YEAH i didn't anticipate, trolls you, KNOW i didn't know

736
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: haters what that would.

737
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: BE i didn't know.

738
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: THAT i also didn't realize just how much vitriol and

739
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: hate there was.

740
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: In this, world seemingly.

741
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: Endless And i've said to my, children you are going

742
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: to need to be the single most discerning generation in the.

743
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: Humankind because my father used to say to. ME i just, said,

744
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: father you did right in your.

745
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: Face you.

746
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: Did, WOW i heard.

747
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: It my father, Said yarry? Did?

748
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Yerry yeah did? Did?

749
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: Right? Now what was your? Hometown and, no BUT i

750
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: mean all the whole.

751
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: Time, yeah the whole. Time yeah he, did he.

752
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: DID i want to pass out right?

753
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: Now what did your father? Say? Year he? Did what

754
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: did your?

755
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 4: Father one of my friends and my cousin, Why oh my,

756
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 4: god so SAL.

757
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: I Did.

758
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: SULLIVAN i knew a bunch of. Them oh my, GOD i.

759
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: Did i'm. Sorry we're. Digressing we're having an and over a.

760
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: MOMENT i can just go and go all.

761
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: Right my father said to me a, kid and this

762
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: is serious. Thing don't believe everything you read and only

763
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: half what you.

764
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: See, well now you can't even believe what you.

765
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: See and by the, Way i'm in showbiz Is i've

766
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: seen some of the deep fakes that we're capable of.

767
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: Already this is incredibly. Dangerous it's not good.

768
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: Because it's only gonna further exacerbate and bad actress out

769
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: in the world.

770
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: To tear us. Apart.

771
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: People this is people have to like take a deep

772
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: breath and a big step. Back don't, react don't. Immediately

773
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: i'm so fed up with the outrage. Porn it's JUST i,

774
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: know it's a it's a cottage. Industry and then this

775
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: is where the media is, culpable you, know where you you,

776
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: know you're, like, oh you, know this will get them.

777
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: Talking you, Know, look if you're a fraudulent person or

778
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: you're a provocateur and you have half a brain in your,

779
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: SKULL i don't have nearly as many followers on this thing.

780
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: Because i'm not ABOUT i don't give a, shit you.

781
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Know but IF i wanted to sit here and go

782
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: like what'll get them?

783
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: Going AND i just was a provocateur in that, way that's.

784
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: Easy it's easy to just stir outrage and freak people

785
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: out and get.

786
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: The medi cheap calories.

787
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: Right And i've tried to explain to. People you, know

788
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: as a, parent you don't just feed your kid fruit.

789
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: Loops you, know as a matter of, fact we never.

790
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: Do but you, know a treat is, fine but really

791
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: you want to nourish them and you want them to

792
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: Be it's the same.

793
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: Thing this. Is this is.

794
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Poison it really, is AND i have it And i'm

795
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: part of it.

796
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: And i'm in.

797
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: It BUT i you're self.

798
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: Aware i'm so aware of, it And I'M i try

799
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: to be a force for good in, it you know

800
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: WHAT i. Mean and, Again i've always been a bridge.

801
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: BUILDER i was that character In, GLEE i. WAS i

802
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: was the captain of my football, team BUT i was

803
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: a theater, nerd you. Know AND i love The stoners

804
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i was in a rock, band, Right, No SO

805
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: i brought friendships together that wouldn't have been and they

806
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: love each other to this day because they get from

807
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: each other so much more than they take from each.

808
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 3: Other and that's what we have to get back.

809
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: To, like you, know if you, imagine it's sort of

810
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: imagine if every restaurant you were is the same three

811
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: items on the Red come, on, man, hey we're so

812
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: lucky that we have a sick menu.

813
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: Here it's really, beautiful.

814
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: You, know YES i, do AND i mean on every,

815
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: level you, know and. Listen if there's things that you

816
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: don't like that or put out there by my, industry you,

817
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: know don't watch, it you, know to go like, This

818
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: you have a thumb for, this use it for, this

819
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: and you, know and speak with your, thumb you, know

820
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: and you, know watch something, else but don't be outraged

821
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: by or maybe watch it and open your.

822
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: Mind think you, know discuss. IT i always have.

823
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: Said my favorite roles are the roles that With the

824
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: trifecta for me is WHEN i entertain, you because that's

825
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: my job first and. Foremost but then IF i make

826
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: you think and, feel especially, feel IF i jar your.

827
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: Humanity make you feel. Something it's not enough for.

828
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: Me to people to just blithely watch something like that was,

829
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Good well that was. Shit you, KNOW i want something

830
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: to stir in. Them, otherwise what are we? Doing it's

831
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: just an.

832
00:40:51,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Exercise, well you've talked about, empathy AND i you, KNOW

833
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: i want to ask you about that because and this

834
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: sort of this marries what you're talking about politically with your.

835
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: Work but it's SOMETHING i struggle with Because I'm i'm very,

836
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: empathetic almost to a. Fault it gets in the way

837
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: of my, job and my job it can.

838
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: BE i can't BELIEVE i actually said that out that

839
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: it can.

840
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: Be you can bring politics and war AND i want

841
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: to disassociate on the one, hand SO i can do

842
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: the job and not take it home with me and

843
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: not let it hurt me and and consume. Me BUT

844
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: i also don't want to turn it off BECAUSE i

845
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: lead with empathy and WHEN i talk about. POLITICS i

846
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: start with empathy, first and that's WHAT i. Think you know,

847
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: that that's what guides. Me so how do you navigate your?

848
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: Job AND i love that you brought this up as an.

849
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 2: EmPATH, yeah and not let it get in the way

850
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: or take over you to a point where it's.

851
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: Unhealthy back to my mother and, father equilibrium. Balance this

852
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: is all part of imbalance in. Life life is very

853
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: difficult to navigate for all of.

854
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: Us we're.

855
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: Born here's my father said to. Me we're, born we

856
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: live for a, time and then we pass. Away and

857
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: it's that nagging reality that drives man to. EXTREMITY i was,

858
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: like is That? Aristotle, no? Chicky, yeah but that's, right that's.

859
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: Right and we're. Afraid what this amounts to is this

860
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: condition of man that we live in makes us. Afraid

861
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: and what happens when we're afraid we get fight or flight.

862
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: Syndrome. RIGHT i have to.

863
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: COMPARTMENTALIZE i have to, like IF i believe this And

864
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: i'm a good little boy or little girl AND i

865
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: do these, Things i'll end up in this becaushy place

866
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: up here at the.

867
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: End and what you're from where.

868
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: You have a different, God oh, no like worldview gets

869
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: messed With i'm AFRAID i attack you OR.

870
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 3: I run from. You this is the. Cycle this is

871
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: what we get. Into so we have to step, back be,

872
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: observational look at, it see why people are. Upset see

873
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: instead of just getting caught up in the. Vitriol.

874
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: See for for over a, decade we've been so preoccupied

875
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: with the right and the lack of empathy and the

876
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: hardness and the sort of, cruelty fish fascist sort of

877
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: leanings of some of the people on the. Right people

878
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: have lost sight of the fact that when you go

879
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: too far with the empathy side of, it you get

880
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: into group think and maw and that becomes like, This

881
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: it goes full circles meet each other at the other.

882
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: Extreme it's a. Fact i'm, Sorry i've observed.

883
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: It it's just.

884
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: True and we've seen this in. History And i'm a history.

885
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: NUT i love TO i love to read. History and you,

886
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: see oh oh. What i'm Hopeful and this might Be,

887
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: POLLYANNA i might be a.

888
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: FOOL i don't.

889
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: KNOW i guess one would Say i'm an eternal, optimist

890
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: But i'm also very much a.

891
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: Realist.

892
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Essie i'm hoping that because our life cycles are, longer

893
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: and we do have more information than we ever have

894
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: that maybe we can cut this off at the pass

895
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: before we get to the. Extreme because people bandy these

896
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: terms about, oh civil, War, yeah yet civil?

897
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 3: War bite your lip? Off do you want to see that? Here,

898
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: no you don't, know you don't.

899
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: THAT i, mean, really, REALLY i, mean before you just

900
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: talk shit out of your, mouth think about what you're

901
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: saying out.

902
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: Loud, look don't you see images From.

903
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: Syria and gods at all these different. PLACES i don't

904
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: care what side of it you're.

905
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: On politically you, want that's not what we.

906
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: Want so you have to find your way back to,

907
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: cooperation to, understanding to, appreciation first and foremost in your own.

908
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: Life and, again these balancing acts start. Personally you, know

909
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: there's that great old ADAGE i forget how it. Goes it's,

910
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: essentially never allow yourself to get too, hungry too, thirsty too.

911
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: Sad too. Tired it's all the toos, right it's.

912
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: Extremity extremity leads to just, That AND i don't care

913
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: if it's on the.

914
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: Far left or the far right or the far.

915
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: Anything SO i go through my life trying to find, equilibrium, moderation.

916
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: Trying to find.

917
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: BALANCE i only have once around in this, planet AND

918
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: i don't want to spend it with my hair on,

919
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: fire screaming.

920
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: It people are getting screamed. AT i want to live a,

921
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: beautiful healthy.

922
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: LIFE i want to enjoy my children in the passage

923
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: of the. TIME i know it sounds corny and kumbaya

924
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: and fuck, you, yeah that's, right, right, right pardon my.

925
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: Friends that's what it.

926
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: Is that sounds like a lofty goal these, days and

927
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: it should not be like that's, right that should be

928
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: what we all just don't.

929
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: Imagine simplicity seems out of the.

930
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: Question does it? Does but that's WHAT i want, Too

931
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: that's WHAT i yearn. For Two AND i have to

932
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: find balance in my work in life because my work

933
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: is what it, is, obviously but my life. IS i

934
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: don't want it to infect my. Life but it's. Hard

935
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot of. Crossover and by.

936
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: The, Way i'm saying this all out, loud But i'm

937
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: also Saying i'm projecting Because i'm saying it to, myself.

938
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: Because you're practicing it and you don't always succeeded. IT

939
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: i get.

940
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: A till all the, TIME i get caught.

941
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: UP i do.

942
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: It BUT i am brutally self, aware and i'd like

943
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: to think, that you, know you go through your life

944
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: with ninety percent experience ten percent. Reflection that's A i

945
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: think the proper. Balance you should be going through your

946
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: life and doing and achieving and having go and putting things.

947
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: Together but you need to spend at least ten percent

948
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: of your life really in the quiet of your own.

949
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: Thoughts AND i don't mean with anybody. Else you, yeah,

950
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: going AM i?

951
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 3: Okay is WHAT i just went? Through, okay, well you.

952
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: Know and and not to lash out and, blame not

953
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: to you, know take a personal, accounting take, responsibility right?

954
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 2: Heal maybe you, yeah, right go, fishing, right.

955
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: You, know do something that's that makes you, happy paint a,

956
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: picture do something that makes you.

957
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: And that disconnects from all the, triggers, right, yeah that's. Right,

958
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: Well i've had to become painfully self aware as well

959
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 2: to deal with anxiety and that crossover and the urge

960
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: to catastrophize because everything seems awful and, so you, know

961
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: but you've got to you've got to preserve those, boundaries

962
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: and they become porous. Sometimes but, again here's my.

963
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: Father go, ahead you, know he and my mother passed

964
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: away just before the.

965
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 3: PANDEMIC i missed the. Marribly i'm, Sorry it's.

966
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: Okay, WOW i have a hard time talking about my parents.

967
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes well that's.

968
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: Beautiful it meant so much to. Me SO.

969
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: I was grousing about, everything you, know you, know with,

970
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: this and you, know and he was my. Pillar, he you,

971
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: know the one Person i've got broad's, shoulders, right so,

972
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: people everyone in my sphere comes to, me, right AND

973
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: i take care of.

974
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: Everybody but my father was the GUY i went to

975
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: WHEN i was.

976
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: Grousing and he says to, Me, Michael, yeah do you

977
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: want to go back to the year of your birth

978
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty? Three you want me to remind you what

979
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: was going on in sixty? Three do you want to

980
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: go back to the year of my birth thirty? Nine

981
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: you want to go back to Your Papuli's, yeah.

982
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: You know, right you, know right.

983
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: Perspective that's always was zooming out my Old, yeah there's.

984
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: Such a safe.

985
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: Philosopher philosopher, really you, know they would they turned me

986
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: on to, this you, know That's i'm going to highly

987
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: recommend read the, philosophers you, Know and he would say

988
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: this is a. Toolkit some of them you'll never use

989
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: not some of these, tools and some of them you,

990
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: will and and and it's the wisdom of the. Ages

991
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: and you'll, see like when you read The, stoics for,

992
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 1: example you'll see How Marcus aurelius in ways is a brilliant. Man,

993
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: now he didn't have the benefit of modernity and science

994
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: to know all these different, things but that doesn't mean

995
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: that everything that he was talking about was, incorrect especially

996
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: About one of the things that strikes you when you

997
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: read the ancient, philosophers The greeks and, others is that

998
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: we're the. Same we're the same as we've always. Been

999
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 1: the human, condition, hate, love the average. Joy, yes all

1000
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: of that is still as it. Was we might have

1001
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: fancy computers and, shit but we're the same, principally and

1002
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: we're still, afraid and we still have a life. Cycle

1003
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: and as soon as you acknowledge that and hug. It

1004
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: it's my father always used to, say take the take

1005
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: the demoned.

1006
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: Off your, shoulder and look him in the face and

1007
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: give him a, hug and then stick get the fuck.

1008
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: Out. Yeah have you ever thought about writing a book

1009
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: about everything your father taught?

1010
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 3: You? Yeah, yeah, yes, YEAH i think.

1011
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 1: So everybody. WELL i wrote a screenplay with my daughter,

1012
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: recently and and some of these gems are in. This

1013
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: it's it's about a young man who he and his

1014
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: sister are sort of lost and on the brink of

1015
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: losing their. Home through an extraordinary set of, circumstances he

1016
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: becomes the lowest guy as an intern in an old folks,

1017
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: home and through his relationship with this one woman in,

1018
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: particular but all the elderly in, there he learns how to.

1019
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: Live and you, know to, me S, sie we're you.

1020
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: Know the theme of this movie is we are made.

1021
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: Poorer and this isn't a finger wagging like kids these.

1022
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: Days it's not that at. All but it's about the generation,

1023
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: chasm because it's not a gap. Anymore it's a, chasm

1024
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: and it's exacerbated by this shit the PHONE i got pointing.

1025
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: At and this is where we have to find each.

1026
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: Other because my life is exponentially better because of the

1027
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: TIME i spent with my my papuli and all of

1028
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: their friends and my uncles and aunts and vice. Versa

1029
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: they were we were energy and life for them and

1030
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: brought vitality to their. Lives were made. Poorer the elderly

1031
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: and the young without each other and each Other's and

1032
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: that's just a. Fact my Favorite greek. Word it doesn't

1033
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: really translate directly Into. English AND i tell it to

1034
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: everybody THAT i cares to. LISTEN i even had a

1035
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: neon light of it made in my. Backyard In greek

1036
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: blue is perea p a r e a perea, Right

1037
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: the literal translation is. Company but in my, house at,

1038
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: least what it meant was life in my, house kids

1039
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: and dogs and music and, noises. Screaming and people THINK

1040
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: i have a raspy voice from like smoking or some.

1041
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: Shit it's from yelling to be. Heard we were, Loud

1042
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: we were you, know we had. Fun, yeah and we were,

1043
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: together you, Know and that's the way it is in my.

1044
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: HOUSE i love. That it's. BEAUTIFUL i love. That.

1045
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: WELL i think we got the title to your, Book.

1046
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: PARIA i might be, OKAY i want to do a lightning.

1047
00:52:53,200 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: Round let's do. It which famous actor did not live in?

1048
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: Andover Jay, Leno Robert Uric, Tyne Daily, Correct Boston bruins

1049
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: Of Boston Red.

1050
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: Sox oh, REALLY i, oh, oh you know you would do.

1051
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: That SEE i was supposed to be that's not very,

1052
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: lightning but so much joy and that.

1053
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: No, pass hard. Pass, okay what's your order At? Fenway?

1054
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: Fenway, Frank frank and a tall one and. Beer that's right.

1055
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: Us we used to learn our lines From Boston university

1056
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: and the cheap.

1057
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: Seats we get a couple of four. Dollars, frank go right.

1058
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: BACK i got a dog and a beer and we

1059
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: sit there and.

1060
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: You, know go over Our.

1061
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 5: Shakespeare uh she wolf Of, friends but worse than wolves Of.

1062
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 5: France get the fucking do this tongue more poison than

1063
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 5: the adder's?

1064
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: Tooth how will it be? Seeing is? It?

1065
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: No?

1066
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: No, god damn. It i'll get exactly that's the way it.

1067
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: WENT i love.

1068
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: THAT i can just imagine. It would you ever run for?

1069
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: Office, No i'd rather eat, glass broken.

1070
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: Glass same same, Girl, Sam, yeah, okay this is this

1071
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: is a very important. Question it's the last, question and

1072
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: it's the question we ask at the end of every.

1073
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: Podcast it's important to. ME i think you're gonna get this.

1074
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 2: RIGHT i want to go out on a limb. Here

1075
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: when is iced coffee? Season ice coffee?

1076
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: Seasons the?

1077
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: Summer, okay all, right, okay the.

1078
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: Summer that's you, know that's why it's ice because it's.

1079
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: Hot it's.

1080
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: Who wants a hot coffee In?

1081
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: July not?

1082
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: Me that's when you go TO i.

1083
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 2: Don't, Either BUT i, ALSO i MEAN i drink dunk

1084
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: iced year. Round the answer is year. Round it's year.

1085
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 3: Round, Oh i'm.

1086
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: SORRY i didn't know that was the. THING i you,

1087
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: KNOW i drink coffee in the, winter, right do.

1088
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: That's a that's. Usual that's. Normal you're. Normal you're. Normal

1089
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: but me and my, dunk my dunk and?

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Speaker 3: Ice CAN i?

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Speaker 2: UNDERSTAND i want it every day AND i have it every.

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Speaker 2: Day it's ice every.

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Speaker 3: Day are you an? Addiction that's the, thing, right that's

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Speaker 3: You PROBABLY i need.

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Speaker 1: That, well it's, comfort, right we all have our. Comfort,

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Speaker 1: well you, know some people turn to, booze some people

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Speaker 1: turn to, drugs some people turn to.

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Speaker 3: Food some people want their. DONKEYS i need my.

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Speaker 2: Donkeys what's your dunk in?

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Speaker 3: Order you, KNOW i hate to admit the salt, lab

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Speaker 3: BUT i haven't been with duncans in a long.

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Speaker 2: Time, okay this but but you, know, OKAY i.

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Speaker 6: Would have a large ice, coffee largest, coffee, okay large

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Speaker 6: ic loge iced with, cream loge iced with.

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Speaker 2: CREAM i like that. Order that's we'll cut out the

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Speaker 2: part where you say you haven't had in a long.

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Speaker 2: Time we'll cut it. Out we're just gonna cut.

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Speaker 3: It, yeah that's.

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Speaker 1: Okay it's been well SINCE i was, there which was you,

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Speaker 1: KNOW i haven't been back To. BOSTON i went to

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Speaker 1: visit my parents' graves about a year and a half.

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Speaker 3: Ago, yes it's a long. Time, YEAH i got to go.

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Speaker 2: Back, well let's meet sometime back In boston and have

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Speaker 2: a dunk. Together.

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Speaker 3: DONE i love.

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Speaker 2: That, Done Michael, checklis thank you so. Much this is

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Speaker 2: And off The cup. Fans i'm really curious because this

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Speaker 2: you at, home what do you? Do what are your

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